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Speaker 1: To the Black Guy Who Tips podcast. I listen because

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Speaker 1: Rod and Karen are hot. Hey, welcome to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Blackouts Podcast with your host Rod and.

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Speaker 2: Karen.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, took a while. She didn't know.

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Speaker 3: You messed up the freestyle. My bad.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it was my fault. Everyone, you know, after the end,

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Speaker 1: no one knows what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 3: You know, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: You've never done that before. Every show. We are here

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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, Okay, a Giving Tuesday if you're on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: it's still a titty Tuesday in some parts. Yes, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, which I hope all

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Speaker 1: of y'all are going to be safe at. Yes, but

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Speaker 1: it's also a very special day because we have a

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Speaker 1: very first time guest on the show, not our first

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Speaker 1: time meeting him. He came to the live show. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you got to hang out there, you got to take

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Speaker 1: pictures and say, hey, sorry that there's seventy five people

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Speaker 1: in here. We can't I'll get a chance to talk.

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Speaker 1: But it's international mister leather Jack Thompson himself. We talked

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Speaker 1: about him on the show before, Yes, but now he's

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Speaker 1: here in the flesh, so to speak virtually. Jack, How

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Speaker 1: you doing?

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Speaker 4: I am great.

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Speaker 5: I still can't believe Thanksgiving isn't like dud right, don't

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Speaker 5: feel like, man, are you going?

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Speaker 1: It does not go ahead?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh no, I just like it just sort of

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Speaker 5: snuck up on me, like they thought it was just

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Speaker 5: the beginning of November and all of a sudden, it's Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: Are you gonna do anything for Thanksgiving? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know there's very limited things to dude.

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Speaker 4: Our options are limited now.

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Speaker 5: We I mean we're we're gonna stay home and you know,

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Speaker 5: we got a couple friends coming over, and you know,

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Speaker 5: my husband, he just cooks. He cooks for an army

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Speaker 5: every time there's even if it was just the two

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Speaker 4: So I'm a little afraid for our refriger raider. But

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Speaker 4: we'll figure it out. What are you all doing?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's staying home, probably watching football and maybe

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Speaker 1: call my parents or something. I'm very very low key

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Speaker 1: this year because we could do like the awkward, like

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Speaker 1: my mom is gonna just be like you can come over,

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Speaker 1: wear a mask, sit in a whole other room. I

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Speaker 1: was like, that's so at this point, it's so weird.

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Speaker 1: We let's just wait on the vaccine and hope everyone's okay.

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Speaker 5: You know what, you might as well just do it virtually.

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Speaker 5: That way, you don't have to go anywhere.

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Speaker 3: We pants like, yeah, we probably end up doing that.

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Speaker 1: I thought. You know what I thought about seriously though,

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Speaker 1: is us as a podcast doing like a crowdcast at Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: But like all the fans that are socially distanced and

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Speaker 1: there at home and they can't do anything, like you know,

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Speaker 1: we just spent a couple hours in the chat and

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Speaker 1: people can just they can come on screen with us

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Speaker 1: if they want to. Like that, you think, so okay,

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Speaker 1: well maybe that's what. Yeah, there you go boom. That's

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Speaker 1: how plans happen everywhere around here. If you wonder how

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Speaker 1: that howticulous we're playing out.

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Speaker 6: Because it's so non traditional that for a lot of people,

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Speaker 6: they're gonna be like I normally would be out doing things.

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Speaker 2: I'm stuck at home. There's nothing to do.

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Speaker 6: So yeah cook yeah right, like I literally can't cook

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Speaker 6: because maybe they're bad at cooking or you you just burned.

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Speaker 1: The house down last time. I don't know whatever your

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Speaker 1: reason it is. I said, you join us. I have

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Speaker 1: some ideas. We have free movie codes, we can give

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Speaker 1: away because I have like eight movie codes that for fans,

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Speaker 1: let's go. And then we have the game, the game

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Speaker 1: the Black Car Black Car Revoked game, and I got

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Speaker 1: I just bought the Martin TV Show edition for Martin Trivia,

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Speaker 1: you know who.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: What could be fun is like we can open it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there was one more thing. Oh and

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Speaker 1: then people can like show if they cooked or if

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Speaker 1: If you're not eating, if you're fasting, it's just a

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Speaker 3: If the tradition is eating Chinese food, We're here for you.

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Speaker 1: Because we're not gonna be with our family, and if

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Speaker 1: my house. It's really a focus. So, but Jack, what

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Speaker 1: is traditionally like Thanksgiving for you? Like, do you do

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we ever since we moved out to

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Speaker 5: There's usually at least ten people in my house for Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 5: but the last couple of years it's just been like us,

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Speaker 5: were like, what are did we get a turkey? Of

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Speaker 5: course we're gonna get a turkey, But like, I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't cook.

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Speaker 5: I don't cook Thanksgiving, So that's not that is not me,

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Speaker 5: that is all my husband. But I'm really I'm excited.

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Speaker 5: He also does a bad ass leftover Thanksgiving meat pie

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Speaker 1: forward to, Like honestly, real cooks plan for the day

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Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving, you know, because Thanksgiving is kind of like

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Speaker 1: the same shit every year for most people. My mom

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Speaker 1: switched it up, like she kind of gave up on that.

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Speaker 1: She was like, listen, okay, doing this forever. Everybody can

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Speaker 3: Right, everybody got their own house.

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Speaker 1: We're all tired of turkey, and so we do like

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Speaker 1: a theme every year. Yes, so it's like we're you know,

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Speaker 1: Italian food food one year, seafood, seafood, you know, and

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Speaker 1: just like Thanksgiving, like turkey and stuff. And there's nothing,

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Speaker 1: nothing's wrong with that, but I look forward to it

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Speaker 1: And then lately, for like Christmas, we've just going been

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Speaker 3: That's been the best.

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Speaker 1: It's honestly, it is the best.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no lines, no nothing, and what here We get

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Speaker 1: They were happy to see us because we go there

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Speaker 1: we were just drinking and eating and having a bout.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's let's get into some questions. I want

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Speaker 1: to know so much about you, Jack, Yes, So when

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Speaker 1: I when I I feel like when I was reading

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Speaker 4: You do you do your homework.

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Speaker 1: I try, you know, and so when I was reading,

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Speaker 1: I was like, you feel you hit so many check

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Speaker 1: one check mark could be like let's just talk about that,

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Speaker 1: you know. So let's start with international mister leather. First

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Speaker 1: of all, what is international mister leather? For those of

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Speaker 1: us that are you know, in these these straight world

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Speaker 4: The vanilla world.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, uh, the way I had to explain it

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Speaker 5: straight world, is it's basically miss America for gay men,

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Speaker 5: like for the gay leather community. Uh so, I, as

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Speaker 5: my husband likes to put it, I won the biggest

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Speaker 5: gay beauty patchet, which I don't quite agree with, but

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Speaker 5: I'm not the one who's judging, so you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and what is it? What does the leather have

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Speaker 1: is the how like howd it get to this point

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Speaker 1: where it's like the leather division.

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Speaker 5: Well, originally, like like most communities, like we're very like

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Speaker 5: like we we were like like we're the gaze, but

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Speaker 2: What type of thing.

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Speaker 4: But we, you.

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Speaker 4: Where do we meet up? And I am l or

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Speaker 4: in Nationalist.

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Speaker 5: The leather and most of the contest parts of the

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Speaker 5: well let's have a contest, you know. So so Chuck

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Speaker 5: Renzel created this contest and it started in San Francisco,

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Speaker 5: where twenty two thousand people show up in Chicago every year.

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Speaker 5: It's their biggest it's their biggest you know, public events

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Speaker 3: But I was like, what people come from and what

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why they go get on their bus. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's interesting to me. I never thought about it, But

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Speaker 1: it's mostly because the way things are presented for marginalized

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Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna break this barrier, We're gonna do this.

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Speaker 1: But I never fucking thought about the obvious thing, which

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Speaker 1: is I just won't see hot dudes in my bar

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Speaker 1: because most who that. Lu's just how most shit starts, right.

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Speaker 1: It's like why we have why we have Blu rays

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Speaker 1: as now everything's all Blu Ray.

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Speaker 4: Christopher Nola's got back to Beta Max.

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Speaker 5: Man like boy went to VHS and that's why we

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Speaker 5: got That's how we got VHS over Beta Max.

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Speaker 1: I never I can't believe I didn't think of it.

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Speaker 1: It's so obviously in high sight. I'm like, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: obviously people are gonna come in and they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: hot and they're gonna have leather on and and now

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Speaker 1: they're at my bar and they're drinking and they're and

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Speaker 1: they're hot.

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Speaker 3: Like, yes, nice to look at.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like when thong contests came up, but when.

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Speaker 5: but it's it's the same. I mean, you get everybody

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Speaker 4: Like, oh there's people who do that. Oh I'm not

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Speaker 4: And then I always thought that leather was really cool.

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Speaker 5: Like my dad brought home a my dad's a car salesman,

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Speaker 1: Then it's so funny too, because with leather and all

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Speaker 1: But but like there's like this whole like we were

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Speaker 3: We're about to go.

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Speaker 6: And the thing about leather leather feels so sexy because

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Speaker 1: Cause it's I can't explain.

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Speaker 2: It's nothing like.

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Speaker 3: The knees and fix you just right.

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Speaker 6: It's something about the way it, Karen, I couldn't tell

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Speaker 3: With some leather boots that kind of have like the.

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Speaker 1: Front door on the prairie things on it to kind

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Speaker 5: You seel powerful in leather, like yeah, you're like the

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Speaker 3: And then don't get to boosted.

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Speaker 7: Click, I'm clicking it clicking.

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Speaker 1: I wonder who decided that leather was the international like, yo,

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Speaker 1: we are about to fuck you know what?

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Speaker 5: Right, everything to go down right, it's skin. It is

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Speaker 5: skin on, skin on. Yes, it's hard to not feel

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Speaker 5: and to your point, Brod, like gay men were the same,

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Speaker 5: Like the leather communities really stemmed from the same place

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Speaker 5: like the you know, the angels and like all, you know,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: It was a little different.

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Speaker 5: All stemmed from a very similar place of like powerful

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Speaker 1: I wonder, Yeah, I wonder what happens you show up

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Speaker 1: fuck is that? Y'all?

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Speaker 3: This is advertising.

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Speaker 4: That's just foreign.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we did a two hour motorcave for this shit.

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Speaker 3: I got dressed up for nothing.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna heay head to the crib.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, take to put that leather on too.

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Speaker 5: Like, if I'm getting dressed up, I'm going after the

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it sounds more fun, okay, because I'm telling you

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Speaker 5: So you think they are, but they really are, they really.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm friends with a lot of straight bikers

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it is not It is not the same.

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Speaker 1: It's not the same.

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Speaker 1: I always feel like, like I said, man, the LGBTQ community,

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Speaker 1: by necessity. Yeah, Like straight straightness is defined by like

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Speaker 1: what you can't do? You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, so sort of like what do you want to do?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Yes, the world is your unicorn?

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Speaker 1: What's this leather?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: We got some love at the part of everybody.

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Speaker 4: Come on.

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Speaker 6: It's more of a freedom type of thing, and you feel,

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Speaker 5: I mean, you act like I even now believe that

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Speaker 4: It was a shock to me. No, my I mean

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Speaker 5: You know, we met when I was we were still

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Speaker 5: He is definitely not upset that he.

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Speaker 5: No, this is actually his his shirt that I'm wearing,

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Speaker 4: And I was just like, man, this is crazy.

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Speaker 5: Like I don't know, and people can be like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm built my anyway. In my mind, I built my

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it like I'm saying, oh, you're not

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Speaker 5: and they all sort of look like, you know, the

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00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 5: Tom of Finland drawings, you know, like the what everyone

441
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 5: sees as a cartoonish version of leather.

442
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 4: And I knew that I wasn't that masculine archetype.

443
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 5: And I was like, you know, so when we moved

444
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 5: out to Baltimore, I was like, you know, like I think,

445
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 5: if I'm ever going to do it, now's the time.

446
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,919
Speaker 5: Like I have the ability, I have the security, I

447
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 5: have the support, you know, if I'm.

448
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 4: Going to do it now is probably the good time.

449
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 5: So I went out and I ran for You have

450
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 5: to run for a previous title before you can run

451
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 5: for email.

452
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 4: So I ran and won.

453
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 5: Leathern Men of Color twenty nineteen, which is a national title,

454
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 5: so that's all over the United States and which was

455
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 5: an amazing experience and a lot of people didn't know

456
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,679
Speaker 5: about it, which I feel like is part of the issue,

457
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 5: is that people see people don't see themselves, especially people

458
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 5: of color them see themselves in cankin and leather A

459
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 5: lot told a lot of time like that's a white thing,

460
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,120
Speaker 5: like or you know, that's wrong, Like you don't.

461
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 4: You know, do anything like that, you know.

462
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 5: Because that's dirty or that's weird. And you know, one

463
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,239
Speaker 5: of the largest leather club in the United States is

464
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,200
Speaker 5: in All Men of Color and now they're and a

465
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 5: women of color club ONYX, the Onyx Pearls uh, and

466
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,479
Speaker 5: like we exist here, but there's so little exposure for

467
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 5: us a lot of the time.

468
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

469
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 5: And I wanted to be a part of broadening that

470
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 5: for people. So I ran for that one, and then

471
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 5: I was, you know, preparing with my husband who was

472
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 5: running for.

473
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 4: The the the.

474
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 5: Contest that runs at the same time, the International Boot

475
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 5: Black Competition.

476
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: What Now, we were both like what boola.

477
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 5: So boot blacking is basically the people who care for leather. So,

478
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 5: like you see like a lot of shoeshine type spots,

479
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 5: and that's where that starts. So you go to like

480
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 5: a leather bar and you'll see a big old chair

481
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 5: and you'll see someone working on boots or working on

482
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 5: someone's jacket, and that's a boot black.

483
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: Okay.

484
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 4: So that's what my husband does, and he's very, very

485
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 4: good at it.

486
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 5: So we're both preparing at the same time, like helping

487
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 5: each other, like with each other's speeches and and helping

488
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:14,959
Speaker 5: you know, like okay, well what do you say if

489
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 5: they ask you this question? You know, like pop quiz

490
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 5: type stuff, which I hated. I hate all that so much.

491
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 4: Oh, memorizing my speech was a bitch awful.

492
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 5: And because you will, you have ninety seconds of herst speed,

493
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 5: so you got to be ready or they cut you off.

494
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 4: Right.

495
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 1: I was.

496
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 5: I was all sorts of nervous. And we get there

497
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 5: and you know, I'm with all these beautiful men from

498
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 5: all over the world, and there's some of the sweetest

499
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 5: people that i've ever met, and I have lifelong friends now,

500
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 5: and I'm I had money. I had actual green money

501
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 5: on two of my friends too, Right, y'all gonna win?

502
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: You're like in the competition with you? Right, I'm in

503
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: the competition, but also like, if you in the competition,

504
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: I hate Look, I need you to do your best today, okay.

505
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 5: I was like, I was like, I think I might

506
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 5: do okay, Like, I hope I get to give my speech.

507
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 5: He's only the top twenty get to give their speeches,

508
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 5: so I was like, you know, I hope I get there.

509
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: That would be an accomplishment in and of.

510
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 5: Itself because I really liked my speech, and I was like, cool,

511
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 5: let's do it.

512
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 4: And then I made it, and I was like, cool,

513
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 4: I'm in the top twenty.

514
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't give a shitter this.

515
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 5: I know who's gonna make it, so it's cool. And

516
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 5: then a friend of mine who's the MC like, called

517
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 5: my two friends' names for the first the first and

518
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 5: second runners up, and I'm like, well then.

519
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: Who the fuck?

520
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the contest.

521
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 4: Is someone I'm not thinking of.

522
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 3: It did really well?

523
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 4: Did I'm not hear one of the speeches?

524
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: Right?

525
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 5: And then they called my name and I was like, fuck.

526
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're just like ninety eighty nine eighty eight

527
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: you got to speech to get hurry up, let's go.

528
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 4: So I was just like I want, I want what.

529
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 5: Fuck?

530
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 4: Okay, I guess.

531
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: You're like, damn. I just like I just lost twenty dollars.

532
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: I mean, but yeah, I mean I.

533
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: Just lost fifty dollars. Oh man, y'all should have did better.

534
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm gonna give my speech now. But that's

535
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: really dope.

536
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really it was a really insane experience

537
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 5: because like, you become this weird I like to call

538
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 5: myself a D list celebrity because like the weirdest people

539
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 5: knew who I was, Like like during my title year,

540
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 5: like at one point, the Wakowskis I found out knew

541
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 5: who I wasn't heard heard my speech that did the

542
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 5: matrix uh huh yeah, like like and like this random

543
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 5: stuff like that would come up in like cause you

544
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 5: forget like the depth of the gay community right around

545
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 5: the world, like the celebrity of the gay community. And

546
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 5: so it was just this crazy, crazy experience because most

547
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 5: of your year you spend taking pictures and going and

548
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 5: judging other contests that is ninety percent of your year.

549
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 5: So I was on the road. It's like say, in

550
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 5: a regular week, i would leave on a Thursday, and

551
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 5: I'd come back on a Monday or a Tuesday, and

552
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 5: I'd be dead and asleep those couple of days in between,

553
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 5: and then I'd go off to another place.

554
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: Oh wow, just to judge. So when you say judge

555
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: a contest, what all do you have to do in

556
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: a contest? Like, is it because I know you said

557
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: earlier Jeff compared it to like a beauty pageant, So

558
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: is it like you gotta saying, you gotta dah, you

559
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: gotta like what.

560
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 3: Are your talents?

561
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 5: Doe?

562
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: You gotta juggle man.

563
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 4: I wish like some contests.

564
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 5: A lot of the women's contests still have like a

565
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 5: a fantasy portion, which is I was actually I was

566
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 5: like I was hoping. I was like, can we bring

567
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 5: that back? Because I'm ready, Like I'm a drag king,

568
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 5: like we can. I got ready for that. But a

569
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 5: lot of the men's contests don't have it anymore just

570
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 5: because there's not there's no time, Like you couldn't have

571
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 5: a fantasy portion at iml on top of everything else,

572
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 5: there's no time. So most contests are mostly the same, like, Uh,

573
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 5: there's a Friday night meet and greet, so the judges

574
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 5: and the contestants like get announced and you meet everybody

575
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 5: and you have a party and the next day you

576
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 5: have interviews. So there's like a private interview session with

577
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 5: just the judges and the contestants, and we asked them questions,

578
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 5: you know, like well, why should you be blah blah

579
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 5: blah blah blah, or like if you were in this situation,

580
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 5: like how would you handle it? Or which judge would

581
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 5: you take to put in a scene for no reason?

582
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 5: You know, like that's okay, And then you and then

583
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 5: you get to the regular contest and there's a pop

584
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 5: question which is either thought of by the producing team

585
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 5: or the judges, which are sort of like cute, weird

586
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 5: questions you could ask anybody similarly, like if you had

587
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 5: a spatula and whatever fantasy genre, would you have a

588
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 5: scene in Disney Princess would you be?

589
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: And why?

590
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 4: To like judge them.

591
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 5: On how they answer the question, which is mostly about

592
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 5: how well you handle being asked a question on the spot, right,

593
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 5: like how you handle a crowd and uh, and then

594
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 5: there's the then there's the speech right, which is generally

595
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 5: about ninety seconds, and is you. It's generally supposed to

596
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: be either about you as a as a competitor or

597
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 5: about what your platform is. So like because we're all

598
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 5: about the charity, it's usually like what charity are you helping?

599
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 5: Or like what you're what you what are you trying to?

600
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 5: What's your thing for the year? Like mine was like

601
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 5: I am enough, right, and and a lot of people

602
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 5: resonate with that. There's also another contestant, My my friend

603
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 5: Elimination had a very had also an I am enough,

604
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 5: so that was his thing as well.

605
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 4: Uh, and then you the.

606
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 5: Judges tally that up, and then you have a winner,

607
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 5: and you get a pretty sash and a vest, and

608
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 5: you get to be the center of attention.

609
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: You get a crown, You get a crown.

610
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 5: You I mean, you can buy a crown, a crown,

611
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 5: but it didn't come with it.

612
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: I don't even I don't think I look good in

613
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 4: the crown, honestly, Like, I mean, I had more hair

614
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: before COVID.

615
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot limited haircut options these days.

616
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 5: What what what when when Jeffrey's doing my hair, it's

617
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 5: very limited.

618
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'll take the number one. Number one, Again,

619
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: what are the rules as far as like the outfits

620
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: do they have to be do you have to make

621
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: them to yourself or can you purchase them?

622
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: Can you have them custom design?

623
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 6: Like how do you make a lot of the outfits

624
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 6: for the live or does it very poor competition?

625
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 5: A lot of people kind of look down on folks

626
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 5: if they don't have their own leather for competition, like

627
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 5: you should at least have something, but leather is expensive,

628
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 5: it is not accessible for a lot of people.

629
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: Like so I had sponsors.

630
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 5: For i mL Like, if you're it also to me,

631
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 5: if I'm judging, if you don't have your own leather,

632
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 5: it proves to me how well you can utilize and

633
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 5: know your community of who you can ask for help

634
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 5: with that because usually a lot of people that you

635
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 5: have like a team of people to help you get

636
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 5: together and get ready. And and like I had leather,

637
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 5: like because I had been collecting it for a while

638
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 5: and I did make I do make my own mostly accessories,

639
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 5: but I definitely had a sponsor. So Wolf Striker Leather

640
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 5: out in Jersey made my on stage jockstrap outfit. Oh,

641
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 5: that's another part of the contest. The jockstrap portion.

642
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I was wondering at all. I felt like you

643
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: had left some things out because there is.

644
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 5: So you come out and whatever your jockstrap look is,

645
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 5: you know, all grease stuff and whatever. And then they

646
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 5: also made my formals outfit, so like the you know,

647
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 5: the button down the pants and like that whole you know,

648
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 5: upper you know, formerly outfit.

649
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: And the goal, especially for the bigger contest, is.

650
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 5: To fit in and fit kind of the mold that

651
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 5: people are looking for, but also stick out because you

652
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 5: have to be your own person. It's hard to do

653
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 5: that in leather because there's only so many designs that

654
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 5: won't that will keep you in the mold, you know.

655
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 4: So uh and and mine, mine is beautiful?

656
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: How well? Also, I mean I've seen the pictures. Actually

657
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: I can show y'all the pictures how like? So also,

658
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: how uh or were you immediately and always comfortable with

659
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: like being like, listen, I'm putting the cakes out here,

660
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm putting the chest out here, I'm putting the I'm

661
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: giving y'all serve y'all. Looks like was that like you

662
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: were like a born exhibitionist or is this something like

663
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: you also had to get comfortable with Oh.

664
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: No, Like the the whole being trans thing sort of

665
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 5: makes it real difficult to for me specifically and for

666
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 5: a lot of trans folks to be really comfortable showing skin.

667
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 5: Like I didn't feel comfortable taking my shirt off and

668
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 5: looking you know any sort of way with that.

669
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: Yeah you can't, Well you can't. You can't obviously can't

670
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: because he's winning the contest, you know, but you know,

671
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: it could have been a journey. It could be a

672
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: lot of stuff.

673
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: You know, it was a long journey.

674
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a long, long journey to get comfortable

675
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 5: being that naked in front of people.

676
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 4: It took.

677
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 5: I feel like there was the progression of like, first

678
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 5: I was just not okay with anything like being in

679
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 5: front of people at all, and did stand up for

680
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 5: a little while when I was younger, And then I

681
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 5: was a drag king for coming up my fourteenth anniversary

682
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 5: doing drag in January, and that that got me on

683
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 5: stage and got me stripping, and then I was in

684
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 5: a stripping troupe called Manarchy for a while and is

685
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 5: like so like a broad spectrum of masculinity type of stripping.

686
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 5: And then after that I was like I can take

687
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: my clothes off.

688
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 4: I've been naked in front.

689
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 5: Of a crowd before, Now like I can, I can

690
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 5: do this, like and it just it stopped bothering me

691
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 5: because I didn't give a shit what people thought anymore.

692
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 5: Like I knew that the people like that. There were

693
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 5: a number of people that would that would like it,

694
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 5: and people that would probably you know, and the people

695
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 5: who didn't enjoy it if they said something and be like, well,

696
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 5: that's not there for.

697
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: You, then yeah. It's interesting because I think one of

698
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: the things that you have to be comfortable with is

699
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: the idea of it's so weird. I mean a contest

700
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: where what you think about me is what the point is.

701
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: But I have to kind of feel like it doesn't

702
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: matter what you think in order to be good at it,

703
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: Like you have to you know. It's kind of when

704
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: we do the podcast. That was the thing where it's

705
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: like people, oh, y'all say this or y'all say that,

706
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, we really just do the show

707
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: for us too, and we just kind of don't because

708
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: it's going to go into the world. Some people will

709
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: like it, some people will hate it. But as long

710
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: as we're comfortable with each other and we're comfortable being ourselves,

711
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: then a lot of people will love it because they'll

712
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you love yourself and I'm attracted to

713
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: that self love, and then they want to be a

714
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 1: part of it.

715
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 5: Yes, and enough people like it because y'all got to spotify, like,

716
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 5: you know, it.

717
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: Worked out a little bit, you know, little works.

718
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 2: You look great.

719
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,280
Speaker 6: Those pictures are gorgeous and.

720
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: I barely got a two pack, So go head on

721
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: with your.

722
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 5: And COVID covid, and it's definitely made it that it's

723
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 5: not it's no more like it's at this point. I

724
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 5: really gotta get back to working out. But it's been

725
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 5: hard when it's just like it's dark outside now man earlier,

726
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 5: and we don't have to leave the house.

727
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: Like and if you had like a gym like now,

728
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't want to be in the gym

729
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: with you're breathing too hard around me. I need you

730
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: to be way over there. Like it's a lot of

731
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: like just get through this. And then I feel like

732
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: after the vaccine hit whatever whenever that is, it's going

733
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: to turn into like a New Year's resolution day at

734
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: the gym. Every day.

735
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, every day the gym is going to be happy.

736
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 6: What tips would you give somebody if they wanted to

737
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 6: be comfortable with stripping, not just impubsicle, like if they

738
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 6: wanted to be comfortable stripping for their significant other.

739
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: Or they mate.

740
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 6: Because once you get to stripping for a lot of people,

741
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 6: particularly a lot of straight people, it's something that people

742
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 6: feel like it's too quote unquicky for them, even though

743
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 6: we get negative have sex, but it's just something about

744
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 6: the process of like stripping your.

745
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: Performing for somebody.

746
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 4: But you run to turn out a light in your home, You're.

747
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 5: Like, no, it's like it's like turn it off, Okay, yeah, no,

748
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 5: don't look at me. I mean I think you have

749
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 5: to get past a certain place in your head, Like

750
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 5: I still don't think that I'm very attractive, Like I

751
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 5: don't like the way I look. I'm not attracted to me.

752
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 5: But I got to a place for I to be

753
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 5: like I have to understand that enough people have proven

754
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 5: to me that they find me attractive, right, so I

755
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 5: don't have to I'm.

756
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: Not really doing this for me.

757
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 5: Like if I if I saw myself as myself stripping,

758
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 5: I would be like, oh God, Like I can't watch

759
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 5: myself that right every time someone's like, let's watch a video.

760
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 5: I'm like, let's not watch that video.

761
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: That shit.

762
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 5: I can't watch myself perform. I have never watched the

763
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 5: porn I'm in. I've never wanted any any of that

764
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 5: has never come, never wanted to see. But I understand

765
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 5: that other people want to see it, right, and I'm

766
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 5: performing for them, And so that's that's where I get

767
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 5: past it. That's the way that I can loop it

768
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 5: around in my head to make it work. I know,

769
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 5: like most of the strippers I know are so self

770
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 5: conscious and think like, oh, this is awful and I

771
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 5: messed up, and I just no one wants to see it.

772
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 5: And I'm like, everybody wants to see it. See how

773
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 5: many dollars you just made? Like so you you kind

774
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 5: of have to just be like, this isn't about me anymore.

775
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: And it sounds like the community is very supportive for

776
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: them ast far, Like like even when you said the

777
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: year that Jeff was running, people were looking at you

778
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: like when you're gonna out here, like it was like

779
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: as opposed to like another contestant. I don't think so

780
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: you should probably give up, you know, even comedians I

781
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: mean too okay, okay, So there are some me, Okay,

782
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: there we go.

783
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 5: That's yeah, there's definitely like right after I won, there

784
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 5: was the immediate what the fuck has happened? And then

785
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 5: there was a holy shit, I can't believe I did it,

786
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 5: like this is this is probably the biggest thing I'll

787
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 5: ever do in my life, like this is insane. And

788
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 5: then immediately after that was the drop of what's gonna

789
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 5: happen on Facebook tomorrow?

790
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: Right right? What was the so what was the response?

791
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: Like I saw that, Like there was controversy from people

792
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: being like transphobic and stuff immediately afterwards, which is which

793
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: is always isn't that the way?

794
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 5: Right?

795
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: So like when you were competing, if you would have

796
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 1: came in second, motherfuckers would have been like whatever, like

797
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: like like like they wouldn't they wouldn't have liked it,

798
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: but they would have been like whatever. We talk about

799
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: this a lot too on ball Zy sports. Whenever a

800
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: trans athlete wins something, right, that's when the fuck we

801
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: get to light isn't it even right that trans people

802
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: can compete? And it's like, but wait a minute, every

803
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: meet they came in second was fine. It sounds more

804
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: like you're upset you lost because you know what I mean, like,

805
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: is this this weird type of like, uh, it's like

806
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: a weird form of transphobe because it didn't come right

807
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: out at you, like yeah, I don't even want trans

808
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: people around me, Da da da. It comes out with

809
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: the I mean I was cool and you came in first.

810
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: I mean, what the fuck?

811
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 5: It's the lip service, right, It's like the I'm cool

812
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 5: with trans folks until a certain point, you know, like

813
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 5: until it becomes real or until it gets in my way.

814
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 5: So there's a lot there's a lot of that. And

815
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 5: granted I was I'm the second transman to win the title,

816
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 5: but I'm the first transman of color. So the first

817
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 5: trans man was Tyler McCormick, you know, nine years before

818
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 5: I did. And when he won, he he definitely didn't

819
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 5: get the same support that I got. Right, The community

820
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 5: has definitely moved forward at least a bit since then.

821
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 5: And for the most part, it was like, well, this

822
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 5: is a men's contest and doesn't really count, you know,

823
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 5: type of shit, And I didn't really give a shit.

824
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: I was like, I don't.

825
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,359
Speaker 5: Care, Like, you're not up on this stage, right, You're

826
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 5: not the one doing it. My brothers are all insanely supportive.

827
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 5: Everybody that was up on the stage with me has

828
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 5: been like on in my corner from the get and

829
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 5: I'm so lucky because there's usually like one or two

830
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 5: guys who are a little butt hurt they didn't win,

831
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 5: and I know there were some hurt feelings because it's

832
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 5: such an intense experience, right, but everyone has come like

833
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 5: immediately came around. It was like no, like we will

834
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 5: stand up for you. And the community really came to

835
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 5: my defense immediately, Like there was a pretty big stance

836
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 5: of like if you don't support this person, like we

837
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: don't need you in this community.

838
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: Like because a lot of people don't realize when you

839
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: break barriers and shit, you are now in the fight

840
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: with them, Like you can't you can't have the the

841
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: surface level of diversity where you're like, hey, we uh,

842
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a transperson do this thing. You're like okay,

843
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: and then you have backlash and go whoa, whoa, whoa.

844
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: You know what, Hey, we didn't know it was gonna

845
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: be this bad. Everyone calm down, you're right, You're right,

846
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: he's terrible.

847
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: You gotta stand up here.

848
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: No, now you're in the fight. You can't be neutral.

849
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: You can't really be silent. You either have to come

850
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: out full throwdd and be like we are here standing

851
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: in solidarity, or you have to completely say I'm a fraud,

852
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: this is bullshit. We didn't really mean it, you know.

853
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: So that's dope that they still with you. I saw

854
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: like there was a hashtag and everything.

855
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and the fact that there was a hashtag

856
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 5: and like people were people were walking in pride parades

857
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 5: with the hashtag out like on a thing. I was like,

858
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 5: it's still crazy to me that that's a thing. That

859
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 5: people are rocking buttons and stickers and made banners and

860
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 5: were very vocal online and there's nothing in the world

861
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 5: that can like I can show my amazement and feeling

862
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 5: the honor that people did that for me. Right, But

863
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 5: it also is just it's just so unreal, Like I'm like,

864
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 5: I'm just a weird little nerd, Like all right.

865
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: It's also interesting too, because like you run for international

866
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: Mystical leathers, so you basically are choosing to be like

867
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: because you know, whenever you're win one of this type

868
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: of contests, you become a spokesperson, you become like a representative.

869
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: So it's like you are the face of this thing.

870
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: You are still this individual, but now you have to

871
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: like you know, like your actions are watched. You have

872
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: you know, like what you say matters more than it

873
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: shouldn't be this like, but what you say matters more

874
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: now than it would have, say, two years ago, for

875
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: people where it's like he said, so like, how was

876
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: that pressure as well? Because once again you're a trans

877
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: person of color as well, So it's and the breaking

878
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: this mode, breaking this barrier, so are was was it

879
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: hard for people to get used to your perspective where

880
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: you were like, Hey, I'm talking about these issues. I'm

881
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: talking about race, I'm talking about uh, transphobia within the

882
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: community and stuff.

883
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I have something I've always appreciated about y'all

884
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 5: and your show is how vocally you are about how

885
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 5: like we have our opinions, and you know, we're also

886
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 5: not getting in a fight for no reason, Like we're

887
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 5: not here to hop on a Twitter and Facebook and

888
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 5: hop into a fight that we're not direct, like no

889
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 5: one's bringing to us. And if people promise a fight,

890
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 5: we're gonna be like, yeah, that's not what we're here for.

891
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 5: And that's kind of the way that I've always seen that, like,

892
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 5: I don't I've never hopped in on stuff.

893
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: I don't do pylon culture. I don't really do call

894
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 4: out culture.

895
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 5: The few people that I know that have said stupid

896
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 5: shit online that I know well enough, I private message.

897
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 4: Been like, hey, what the fuck was that about?

898
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: Like people tried to drag me into fights a lot,

899
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 5: like there was a there was the worst thing that

900
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 5: happened during my title year was happened in Florida, because

901
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: everything happens in Florida, It's always Florida. And it was

902
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 5: around a very transphobic situation that happened with some people

903
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 5: that are major people in the community. Uh said some

904
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 5: really horrible things to me.

905
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: Uh.

906
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: And the whole situation was was.

907
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 5: Bad, and I I had to I had I have

908
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 5: a social media team that I got when I won,

909
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 5: being like we're in charge of these things. Now you

910
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 5: have a Twitter, and I'm like, well, y'all are in

911
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,879
Speaker 5: charge of that because I don't have to. I don't

912
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 5: know how Twitter works. So like they helped me calm

913
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 5: down because I don't think I've been this that angry

914
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 5: in a long time. I need Yeah, Like I people

915
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 5: usually say stuff online, but when someone says up to

916
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 5: your face, it's a very different situation, and so I

917
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 5: had to get myself out of emotional space and we

918
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 5: kind of crafted a response online and I was like,

919
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 5: this is exactly what happened, this is why it is

920
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 5: messed up, this is what I expect. And I was like,

921
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 5: I don't want anybody to boycott these people. I don't

922
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 5: want y'all to start a war on my behalf. I

923
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 5: want because they also apologized afterwards, and I was like,

924
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 5: if this apology was sincere, and I hope that it is.

925
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 5: I hope that they grow from this, and I hope

926
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 5: that their community holds them accountable to that in their actions.

927
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 5: But there's so few spaces open to us to play

928
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 5: and to shop and to be ourselves publicly that I

929
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 5: don't want us to throw something away because they fucked up.

930
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 4: I'd rather have give them the opportunity to get better.

931
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 5: And that's sort of how I've crafted everything since then,

932
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 5: where I'm like, I don't jump in on a fight

933
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 5: that isn't mine, doesn't involve me that I wasn't there for,

934
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 5: and if something comes at me, I will try to

935
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 5: deal with it in a way that I wish someone

936
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 5: would deal with that.

937
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 6: Was me right right, and and that and and that's

938
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 6: very critical to me.

939
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: Like you said, it's one of the things where we

940
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: live in a world where.

941
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 6: It's no forgiveness, no forgiveness anymore, but it's the one

942
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 6: striking you out. But you go, all of us are

943
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 6: in the marginalized community, and we all have kind of

944
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 6: struck out in various different ways. So it's like, yes,

945
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 6: something happened, Yes, I'm upset, you apologize. You need to

946
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 6: rectify this exactly, you need like like you have to

947
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 6: kind of look at it from that. I'm gonna allow

948
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 6: you to rectify this. Now, if something else happened and

949
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 6: you don't rectify this, then there are other consequences to it.

950
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: But you have to allow the correction.

951
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 6: We live in a society where nobody allows people to

952
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 6: correct the errors because no matter who you are, everybody's

953
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 6: gonna fuck up.

954
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: Everybody's don't fuck up.

955
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 6: And there are some things that are so extreme that

956
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 6: you can't come back from.

957
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, but.

958
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeahs always a line right right.

959
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 6: But but but but there are some things where you're

960
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 6: looking at the bigger picture. Like you said, it's one

961
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 6: of those things where if this place was to shut down.

962
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 6: There are people in this community that actually.

963
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 3: Have had it right. It's bigger than just their actions.

964
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 6: If anything else they can replace these people, it still

965
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 6: keep the structure.

966
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: It's also that thing too where it's like I'm now

967
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: representative because you know, if you if you're not representing

968
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: this title for this year or whatever someone says this ship.

969
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have a social media team. You

970
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: just hop on that Twitter real quick and you're like,

971
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: excuse me, motherfuckers, and you know, but but you know

972
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: that sometimes you need a little bit of that distance

973
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: between you and that tires to be like, Okay, for

974
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: the community, this is a teachable for the community, you

975
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, for the for the bigger picture,

976
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: this is a moment where everyone can learn from this

977
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: because this type of mentality exists no matter what, you know.

978
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: It's just often exactly so often it's either quiet a

979
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: hush hush, or there's or it's like we're not even

980
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: gonna listen to each other, or you just don't hear

981
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: about it, like Okay, here's this public moment. What are

982
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: we gonna do with this? Because you're right, your reaction

983
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: determines how everyone else who either thinks like that but

984
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: didn't say it, or it goes, uh, you know, I

985
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: don't know what's wrong with thinking like that. Now they go,

986
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: here's what's wrong with this, Here's why this is fucked up,

987
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: here's they did apologize, here's what they apologize for. Here's

988
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: what they're plan on doing in the future, and we

989
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: move on. But a lot of people have been educated

990
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: that way, and to me, it's different than like when

991
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: a private citizen, like say, you're just on Twitter doing whatever,

992
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: and so one's like, uh, explain to me the electoral college.

993
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: Like I get when people are like, I didn't come

994
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: here to teach you, But when you take on the

995
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: like when you take on the mantle and the title,

996
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: then you kind of are. Unfortunately you are the teacher.

997
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: Now you are the person.

998
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 4: There's a lot expected of you.

999
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 5: Even if you didn't have the information, you're expected to

1000
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 5: have the information. Yeah, I mean, I honestly, I wondered consistently,

1001
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 5: and I tried really hard not to have this mindset.

1002
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 5: But like there's always that question of like how would

1003
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 5: they respond differently to me if I was white, or

1004
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 5: if I was taller or more masculine, or if I

1005
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 5: wasn't biracial, and I was like, like a darker skin

1006
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 5: black man, Like, how how differently would they respond to me?

1007
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 5: Or how differently would people have treated me in all

1008
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 5: of these situations because I am.

1009
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 4: A very small I'm five.

1010
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 5: Six, I'm a very tiny man, and I know that,

1011
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 5: and like, I'm not a very like menacing or like

1012
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 5: large you know presence, And because of that, a lot

1013
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 5: of people discount me and like think I'm just like

1014
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 5: this cute person and have in the past not taken

1015
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 5: things I've said seriously. So I've wondered how how that

1016
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 5: plays into a lot of the things that happened to

1017
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 5: me during my year. Because the love the community is

1018
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 5: like any other community.

1019
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: We have.

1020
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 5: We have you know, shitty, racist people have transhibig people,

1021
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 5: we have you know, conservative people like and people don't

1022
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 5: think that they've think like, oh, y'all are having fun

1023
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 5: over there.

1024
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: It's like, yep, yeah, I think when people think it's

1025
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: like being black or whatever, you like, people just think like, uh,

1026
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: they all vote Democrat or whatever. You're like, you've never

1027
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: been to my Thanksgiving, but it's nice, nice for you

1028
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 1: to give us that credit, but you've never hung out

1029
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: with my family long enough, so you know, you just

1030
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: don't know, good good thing you hang out over there

1031
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: and just assume.

1032
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, right.

1033
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: Like you get over there, you're just like, oh, here

1034
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: she comes. She gonna call them the cow girls again.

1035
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 1: All right, we gotta do this every year. So also

1036
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: when you brought up like the boot black thing, it

1037
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: made me think about how does submissiveness and dominance play

1038
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: into like the kink culture and the leather culture, because

1039
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that that's that has to be a big

1040
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: part of it too.

1041
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1042
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 5: I mean, at the end of the day, no matter

1043
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 5: how much you know, crazy fundraising we do and charity

1044
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 5: work we do, we're centered around sex. Like that's that's

1045
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 5: that's what the center is of our community. And that

1046
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 5: can play itself out in a lot of ways. That

1047
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 5: can play itself out in play and in you know,

1048
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 5: dominance and submission and you know, in in impact play

1049
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 5: and in so many different ways and just get regular

1050
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 5: hop on grinder like sex with somebody, you know, like

1051
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 5: whatever whatever it is. And it's it's beautiful to see

1052
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 5: how much variation there is and how many different people

1053
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 5: can connect in so many different ways based on sex

1054
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 5: or sexuality, and like I me and my husband. The

1055
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 5: first thing before we got married, we entered into a

1056
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 5: dominant submissive relationship. So like I, I wear my collar,

1057
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 5: you know, and I wear most of the time when

1058
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 5: I'm at home, I you know, don't, but that's just

1059
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 5: because it's cold.

1060
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 3: Of the collar.

1061
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 5: It it's like it's like a wedding ring in that way, right,

1062
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 5: it shows like this is my property, Like now, this

1063
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 5: is my boy, this is my pup, this is my whatever.

1064
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 5: And my husband has you know, a key that he

1065
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 5: has that he also wears sometimes, and it's we do

1066
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 5: it more for formality because we know who we are

1067
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 5: to each other, you know. Uh and I we have

1068
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 5: so many different levels to our relationship alone because we're husbands, right,

1069
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 5: and I'm his sub and I'm also his caregiver because

1070
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 5: my husband's a disabled veterans so I legally take care

1071
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 5: of him in a lot of ways and I get

1072
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 5: paid for it from the government, so that's nice. But

1073
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 5: like we that relationship has so many different variations of

1074
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 5: it in the community.

1075
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 4: Some people that's not a part of it.

1076
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 5: Like some people are in it for just like a

1077
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 5: quick plaything and it's not like a relationship. And some

1078
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 5: people have multiple partner so they do different things.

1079
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 4: With and it's it's just a really interesting cornucopia of people.

1080
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 5: Like every time I go to an event, I see

1081
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 5: something that I've never seen before, or I see a

1082
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 5: different version of a dominant simits of relationship that I

1083
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 5: haven't seen before. And I think vanilla people think like,

1084
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 5: oh yeah, like fifty shades of gray, like that's like

1085
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 5: they're they're experienced with with with kink, and there's so

1086
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 5: much more to it than.

1087
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: That, right now. Does anyone ever like try to stick

1088
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: a key in your collar that doesn't fit just to see,

1089
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Just like you know this

1090
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: is if I can let me see my car key? Nope,

1091
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: all right, well I guess you're doing.

1092
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 5: I mean, it's kind of it's a very like like

1093
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 5: a no, no, you know, like you don't go up

1094
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 5: and touch somebody else's collar.

1095
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,399
Speaker 4: Oh okay, you know, like that's not that's not a.

1096
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 5: Thing, like I I've done it, but in a like

1097
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 5: a oh I haven't seen someone make that before. Let

1098
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 5: me can I see it quick? And some people say, no,

1099
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 5: don't touch it. Only my sir or my dom can

1100
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 5: touch it. And some people were like, oh yeah, if

1101
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 5: you want to check out how it's made. But you

1102
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 5: the amount of girls, drunk girls that show up in

1103
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 5: a gay bar, in a leather bar and there.

1104
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 3: Like yeah collar and.

1105
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, you know the the I feel like

1106
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: the uh the the drunk girl, uh gay like gay

1107
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: men drunk woman. Uh. Paradigm is so fried because you

1108
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: just it's like all these violations, like you're just like

1109
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone should be touching each other, like

1110
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: do they have permission?

1111
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 5: You know what?

1112
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm gonna stay out of this.

1113
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 4: It's like going to a different country.

1114
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 5: That's like I feel like it's someone walking into a

1115
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 5: different countries culture and expect and just act in a fool.

1116
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 4: It's like you're you're the foreigner here, like you.

1117
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 5: Don't know, look around and see how ship's function and

1118
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 5: be appropriate before you start acting a fool.

1119
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 4: And that's really come.

1120
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 5: Like my mom came to this country, uh you know,

1121
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 5: many years ago, and her first friends in this country

1122
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 5: were gay men.

1123
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 4: She didn't know they were gay, which I don't.

1124
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 3: Know how.

1125
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: I am friends with a lot of handsome, immaculately dressed

1126
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: me in let me tell you.

1127
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just thought they were very good dancers.

1128
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: Yes, Like I mean, they taught me how to salsa

1129
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: and everything.

1130
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 3: I was wondering why I was always the only.

1131
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: Woman around perfect gentleman. I have a harem of men,

1132
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: all right.

1133
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 4: Right, And so like I, there's always she.

1134
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 5: There's always been like an understanding of like my mom

1135
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 5: always felt comfortable in gay bars, and so that was

1136
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 5: always sort of like in my house whole like, oh yeah,

1137
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 5: of course she's gonna go to the gay bar with

1138
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 5: her friends.

1139
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 4: And now I had to think back and be like,

1140
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 4: was my mom that drunk girl?

1141
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 2: Oh god?

1142
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 5: Like I don't mind. I don't mind. I'm a minority

1143
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 5: in this. I don't mind straight girls and gay bars

1144
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 5: if they act appropriately, because I think, like, we can

1145
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 5: all enjoy the bar setting, we can all enjoy it.

1146
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 5: It's when they show up and they start. It's when

1147
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 5: girls in bachelorette parties show up at game yes and

1148
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 5: try to be like, we don't want to spend the

1149
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 5: money to go to a strip club. We're just gonna

1150
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 5: treat the men here like they're strippers. It's like, we're

1151
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 5: not here for you.

1152
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1153
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 5: So that's I think that's that's the real disconnect like

1154
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 5: he's jumping in like that. But I mean, like the

1155
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 5: dominant submissive thing is a lot of like my mom

1156
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 5: had to explain that to my mother was really difficult

1157
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 5: because she was like, are you.

1158
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: Doing this against your will?

1159
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: Is?

1160
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 8: I'm like, it's a partnership, yes, Like every relationship has

1161
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,240
Speaker 8: a little has someone's a little bit usually more dominant,

1162
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 8: someone's a little bit more submissive and sort of goes

1163
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 8: along with stuff, and it's just more highlighted.

1164
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: In my are you okay?

1165
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: Do I need to blink twice? Do I need to

1166
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 3: come down one?

1167
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 2: What is happening?

1168
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: Like? No, Mama, like it right, And it's like much

1169
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: more explicit and like you have to talk about you

1170
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,839
Speaker 1: have to talk like, you have to communicate like it's

1171
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: not just like I think one of the things for

1172
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: people is that we're so like conditioned to be like, listen,

1173
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: this is how it should be. Okay, you meet to

1174
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: you meet somebody at eighteen, you marry them, and then

1175
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: you're fucking happy forever. You're having kids and shit, and

1176
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: so there's all these assumptions that happen and then you

1177
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: find out like I don't know, five years in I'm

1178
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,320
Speaker 1: not happy I don't like this. I don't want to

1179
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: have kids. You know, it's just shit. You don't even

1180
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: think about or consider, you know, not to make sex.

1181
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:32,839
Speaker 1: And so you have to communicate, Like in that submissive relationship,

1182
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,280
Speaker 1: it has to exist on communication or it will go south.

1183
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: So you know, I mean ground rules shit like that

1184
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: that straight people don't even talk about because the assumption

1185
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 1: is we all have the same ones, which is obviously bullshit.

1186
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 4: It's not true.

1187
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like monogamous folks that are married. It's like, oh, yeah,

1188
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 5: there's there's a basic rule that you don't you're not

1189
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 5: intimate with other people, right, and that's the that's your

1190
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 5: basic rule. And people think that you don't have to

1191
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 5: talk about stuff after that. But there's so much small

1192
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 5: things that people. I remember being a folesome one year

1193
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 5: and this older man like like, oh, well, like let

1194
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 5: me ask He's like, do you have to ask him

1195
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 5: permission before you hit him? It's like yes, It's like,

1196
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 5: oh I don't have to ask my permission or anything anymore.

1197
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 4: Ha ha ha. It's like you probably still should.

1198
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's.

1199
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: Just no.

1200
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 6: No, this is not a slave thing, like, no, this

1201
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 6: is not property.

1202
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: I do you have to show your pains.

1203
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 3: How do we get here?

1204
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 5: And there are there are a lot of people who

1205
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 5: identify as slaves, and like that's you know, yes, for

1206
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 5: a lot of people that aren't the community. And if

1207
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 5: someone wants to identify that way and that's the relationship

1208
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 5: they have with the master, go for it.

1209
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: Right.

1210
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people who identify as property,

1211
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 5: that's fine for them. Like that's your individual choice that

1212
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 5: you have talked about with another consenting human, right.

1213
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: Right, But it's right, it's consent exactly.

1214
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 5: Like I me and my husband have contract and we

1215
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 5: had to draw up like a like you know, I

1216
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 5: love I love sheets, I love Google sheets. I'm a

1217
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 5: I'm a little nerd.

1218
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 4: When it comes to organization like that.

1219
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 5: So we have like these, you know, a whole spreadsheet

1220
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 5: of like in the husband category, these are the responsibilities

1221
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 5: for both sides that we both agree to. In the

1222
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 5: dominant submissive category, these are the things that we agree

1223
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 5: to that I have to either ask permission for or

1224
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 5: we have to talk about or that's agreed upon, you know.

1225
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 5: And but in all the other categories that we're in,

1226
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 5: is it's most days, it's like any other relationship, you know,

1227
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 5: like we get up. I have my responsibilities, he has

1228
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 5: stuff that he does, and we're just hanging out together

1229
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 5: watching Supernatural and like.

1230
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 4: We're on season fifteen. It's a long binch, yeah, but

1231
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 4: that's kind of it.

1232
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 5: And then there's what we do when we're out right,

1233
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 5: Like so when we're at an event, it's like you

1234
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 5: wear the things. I wear my formal collar, he wears

1235
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 5: his his third cap, and you know, we we there's

1236
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 5: certain things like I have to go get him drinks,

1237
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 5: and like there's a certain protocol that we have to have,

1238
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 5: and like we're also in an open marriage, Like if

1239
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 5: I want to hook up with somebody, there's a certain

1240
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 5: like protocols like how do I ask your permission for this?

1241
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 5: Like do you have to agree to this person? Or

1242
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 5: do I get to just say? Like it depends on

1243
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 5: what the action is that you're doing with this person

1244
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 5: sort of thing. So it's just there's different variations of

1245
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 5: things we have to ask each.

1246
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: Other, right, And I think that communication is going to

1247
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 1: end up being the key because it is like, well,

1248
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: we got to check in, we gotta do this, I

1249
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: gotta update the contract. You know, the the guy that

1250
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 1: just comes in and can hit his wife whenever it's like,

1251
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't do y'all have a contract? Is it just

1252
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: one page? I can hit you send?

1253
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 6: You know, it's deep because a lot of people have

1254
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 6: this illusion that there are no rules if it's outside

1255
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 6: of a great relationship.

1256
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 3: I was like, no, every relationship has.

1257
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: Rules, y'all.

1258
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 4: I don't know what's more rules.

1259
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: Right, I was like, that's the thing to me? Is like,

1260
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: to me is more Yes, it's more rules. And I

1261
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: think that's what people it is. You know what it is.

1262
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: It's just that we're we're all conditioned to be like, uh, listen,

1263
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: straight marriage, man, woman and women are submissive because they're

1264
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: supposed to be as a gender. Men are supposed to

1265
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: be dominant, blah blah. And then we just ignore We

1266
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: act like that's every relationship that and that is healthy,

1267
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: that's okay. And then and then we just ignore all

1268
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: the outlying factors. So it's just like, I don't know,

1269
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: Cardi b seems to be her man seem to be

1270
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: cheating a lot. It's like, listen, it's straight marriage. This

1271
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: is what happens. She just needs to understand. It's like

1272
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: we just ignore that shit, and we ignore those rules,

1273
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: and we and we and we know there are rules

1274
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: of straight marriage, but we really when people violate and

1275
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: we just don't, it didn't count gets straight marriage.

1276
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 5: We don't go People assume that the rules are there,

1277
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 5: like they assume the rules that are in place, instead

1278
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 5: of being like, well, isn't like is there a rule

1279
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 5: like does dinner have to be on the table or

1280
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 5: like if one of you goes out after work, do

1281
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 5: you have to tell the other one where you're going?

1282
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 5: Like there's still rules, but people don't think about them, right,

1283
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 5: They assume.

1284
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: A lot And when people violate the rules, it never

1285
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: is a reflection on marriage. It's always a reflection. Like

1286
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: it's always like like like if an open marriage is

1287
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: somebody like something fucked up is like and that's why

1288
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: you don't get an open marriage off of people fuck it.

1289
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: But then when like you know, Stevie Jay cheats on

1290
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: Jocelyn for the seventy fifth time and we put it

1291
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: on TV and we make it okay, or we have

1292
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: the Bachelorette where we literally just make a joke out

1293
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: of people getting married just fucking no one goes wow,

1294
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: straight marriage is kind of fucked up. I don't know

1295
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: if they should be able.

1296
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 4: To do this straight marriage.

1297
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 5: Like, I know way more gay couples that have been

1298
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 5: together way longer with open marriages that work really well

1299
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 5: as opposed to a lot of my straight friends that

1300
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:34,919
Speaker 5: get divorced all the time.

1301
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been divorced. I was in a straight you.

1302
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 5: Know, uh marriage with a woman for for a while.

1303
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm glad that we're not together anymore.

1304
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 5: Like we're very different people now. And but you know,

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Speaker 5: she made a joke when we got divorced, and she's like,

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Speaker 5: you know, if we had just had an open marriage,

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Speaker 5: things would have been better.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, it would right.

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Speaker 5: There was still there was still no problem that happened

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Speaker 5: that it wouldn't have mattered. Like you can cheat in

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Speaker 5: an open marriage because you don't go about it the

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Speaker 5: right way.

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Speaker 1: Someone said that on Facebook page the other day. I

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Speaker 1: think it was like Lena Waite is getting a divorced

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Speaker 1: or something, and there's like a whole lot of rumor

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Speaker 1: she was cheating and all this stuff, and they were like,

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: she was like, if they could just understand, they can't say, like,

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Speaker 1: you can't do monogamy, So just tell the person you

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Speaker 1: want to open marriage. It's like, yeah, but that's kind

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Speaker 1: of the rub. If you're not gonna if the cheating

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Speaker 1: is the problem, it's never like the you could be

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Speaker 1: open as you want to be, but if you're fucking

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Speaker 1: people that I'm not okay with you fucking, it's gonna

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Speaker 1: end up being a problem no matter what the secrecy

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you can't tell your partner something, or if

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Speaker 5: there's something about what you're doing that seems like you

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Speaker 5: can't have.

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Speaker 4: A communication about it, you know something's fucked up. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Like that's not the problem. You can't just like what

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Speaker 4: that relationship is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't just like throw that card out there.

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Speaker 1: So I fucked seven women this weekend, open marriage card.

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Speaker 1: Remember it's like, no, what the fuck?

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Speaker 5: We talk and a lot of times, but you but

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01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 5: you fucked Sally, And I told you that's my sisters

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01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 5: still have a problem.

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Speaker 2: We still have a problem.

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01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 6: And for a lot of people, particularly the fantasy, for

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01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 6: a lot of straight men, they only wanted to be

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Speaker 6: open one.

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Speaker 1: Way, one yes, one side.

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01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 6: Right when the woman be like, oh we open, let's

1344
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 6: be opened both, let's let the water flow through.

1345
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 2: It becomes a problem.

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01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 5: Then Yeah, I feel like that's that's a lot of

1347
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 5: people that like think about starting an open relationship once

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01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 5: they're in a monogamous one. I feel like that's the

1349
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 5: pit trap you fall into because one person has the

1350
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 5: idea and then the other person thrives and you're like,

1351
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 5: that's not what I have in mind when it came

1352
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 5: to this agreement.

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01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: I want to start an open relationship, and I've already

1354
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: been some people. So I think you should get on.

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01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 2: I'm just now here. Here's the memo.

1356
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 1: You should get in on this see you in.

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01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 4: It's great in this pool. You should get in.

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01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: I've been keeping. I've been keeping, going your six but okay, So,

1359
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: how so how key was the Internet in growing and

1360
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: fostering community for you? Because you know, like you say,

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01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: you have the even though you don't manage your Twitter

1362
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: account and stuff. I'm assuming that they're you know, the

1363
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: support you saw from people online and translated into real life.

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01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: You must have seen some of that. So, like, how

1365
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: how important is community online for you?

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01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 4: Oh?

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01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 5: It's well, especially now, But like I remember the first

1368
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 5: like I thought I was alone being a kinky kid

1369
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 5: until I, you know, hopped on live journal and I

1370
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 5: found you know the days of live journal when you know,

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01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 5: I'd hop in a chat with a bunch of furries

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01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 5: from all over the world and be like, oh cool,

1373
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 5: the people I can talk to in some way that

1374
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 5: are like me, even if they're not right next to me.

1375
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 5: And it made me feel more secure when I could.

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01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 5: And I could then talk to the people that were

1377
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 5: in my life that were not that way, so I

1378
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 5: had back up. I had people I.

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01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 4: Could talk to about my issues.

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01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 5: And as the Internet and social media have blossomed and

1381
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 5: become insane, there's more and more variety and more and

1382
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 5: more places you can go to look up and see

1383
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 5: people and meet up with people. And now with COVID

1384
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 5: happening the way that it is, it's all virtual. So

1385
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 5: the Internet is paramount and how I talk to people

1386
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 5: and communicate. You know, I was just on a Fellow

1387
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 5: Titleholders podcast in Australia earlier this last week, and you know,

1388
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 5: and I have some people you know, follow me and

1389
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 5: send me essages on face of being like I heard

1390
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 5: your story there and like I can ask you some

1391
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 5: questions and I'm like, yeah, sure, because I'm a horrible example.

1392
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 5: Like I know there are you know, black and brown

1393
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 5: folks and trans folks and non binary folks that are like.

1394
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,479
Speaker 4: I don't want to answer your damn questions. You should

1395
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 4: google that shit.

1396
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 5: And I'm like, nah, you can ask me, because I'd

1397
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 5: rather you ask me and have a better experience with

1398
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 5: the next person you talk to, yes, and then be

1399
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 5: like go look it up and be an asshole, you know,

1400
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:02,920
Speaker 5: Like that's that's that's how I personally feel. I have

1401
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 5: no problem with other people having that opinion. But yeah,

1402
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 5: the Internet has definitely helped with the communication and the

1403
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 5: exposure of the community.

1404
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: Was the Australian International mister Leather Was he stunting on

1405
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: you though? Like, was he during the broadcast? Was he

1406
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: like outside going to.

1407
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: The movies and the kangaroos?

1408
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, not wearing a mask and shit, just like oh

1409
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 1: this space is so oh you can't be on a

1410
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: bus right now, can't you. Oh that's terrible.

1411
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 5: All my friends are all the US were like I

1412
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 5: was like, so, like, well, I'm back at work in Ireland.

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01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 5: I don't know what y'all are. They're all like, what

1414
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 5: are y'all Americans up to over there? Are you okay?

1415
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 3: Do you need do you need help?

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01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 5: It's it's so sad like talking to my friends all

1418
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 5: over the world that are like moving on with their

1419
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 5: lives in different ways, and we're still sitting here being.

1420
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: Like I have.

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01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 5: We haven't left the house in a week. I don't

1422
01:06:55,480 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 5: know what's going on out there. Yeah, but the Internet

1423
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 5: is really important for that, but it will, in my opinion,

1424
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 5: hopefully never replace the actual, like in person social things

1425
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 5: that we need. Like me, and we are really lucky

1426
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 5: here in our neighborhood. We have a private queer owned

1427
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 5: club that has a huge outdoor setting. It's called the

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01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 5: Clifton Pleasure Club out here, and one of the people

1429
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 5: on the board, who also owns the building as a

1430
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 5: chef and basically is like, I want to feed my community.

1431
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 5: And so there's six feet apart circles in the back,

1432
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 5: and there's fire pits out for the winter. And so

1433
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 5: you go out there and ibartend which helps me gets

1434
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 5: some money, and there's you know, there's hot drinks and

1435
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 5: a bar and meals for folks and you know, let

1436
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 5: we have we go by the laws and we have

1437
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 5: less than however many people are supposed to have. But

1438
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 5: we can still see people and talk to people in

1439
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 5: our community in a safe environment without worrying about the

1440
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 5: you know the virus, so that it's important that I

1441
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 5: get to do this and I can like interact with

1442
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 5: folks all over the world. But being able to see

1443
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 5: people in my community that I love and care about

1444
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 5: once a week or so in a safe place is

1445
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 5: so valuable.

1446
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I feel like community is so important too,

1447
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 1: because we're talking about people sometimes that are out on

1448
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: the outskirts of community or ostracizes from community, or had

1449
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: to find community and find family and reform it for themselves.

1450
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,360
Speaker 1: And then this pandemic, everyone's being told like, hey, community

1451
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: gonna get you killed back the fuck up and everybody

1452
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, and so it's like, look, it's getting dark.

1453
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 1: The pandemic's going on for a long time. I think

1454
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,719
Speaker 1: people's mental. When I was at that doctor last week,

1455
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 1: she was asking me like, so, how's your mental health?

1456
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, damn, you ain't never asked me

1457
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,759
Speaker 1: about that shit, Like it must be bad out here.

1458
01:08:58,280 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 4: That's a valuable question right now.

1459
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I happen to be doing fine, but damn

1460
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: it's bad. Huh.

1461
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 6: Like so many you would, you know, you would bring

1462
01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 6: something like that up to her. You'd be like, hey,

1463
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 6: this is She's like, no, no, no, no, no, yeah, but.

1464
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,599
Speaker 5: It affects your physical health if you're all messed up

1465
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 5: and like you're stuck inside and you haven't seen the sunshine.

1466
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,599
Speaker 5: Three it's like my bedroom's in a basement, like my bib.

1467
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 4: Oh man, right, So I know that, but it's so

1468
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 4: it will mess you up.

1469
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 5: Your whole body will start to break down if your

1470
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 5: mental health isn't okay.

1471
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 4: That's happened to a lot of folks right now. I'm

1472
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 4: glad your.

1473
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: Doctor asked you that question. Yeah, it was, and I

1474
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: was super dope. I mean, she's a really great doctor,

1475
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: but it was it was just like I was like, damn,

1476
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,679
Speaker 1: is that Are you okay? Are we if I'm supposed

1477
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: to not be okay. She's like, you're doing good, like

1478
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: like you know, all my test were good and all

1479
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: that ship. But she seemed almost surprised. She's like, oh,

1480
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: so you're doing okay because we're not hearing that a

1481
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: lot okay.

1482
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I do worry about my community in some

1483
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 5: ways because gay men are no strangers to viruses killing

1484
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 5: off a lot of our people. You know, like there's

1485
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 5: a huge chunk of our community that is no longer

1486
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 5: there are we don't have a lot of elders, you know,

1487
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 5: because you know, AIDES and HIV wiped out an entire

1488
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,320
Speaker 5: generation of our people. And while we're starting to get

1489
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 5: a handle on that in a real way, which is amazing,

1490
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 5: we now have COVID, And because of the mentality of

1491
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 5: gay men, which has generally been like my sexual freedom,

1492
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 5: which was illegal for so long and still is in

1493
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 5: so many places, is so vital to who we are,

1494
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 5: we tend to push past what's safe, right, And I

1495
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 5: see a lot of folks in my community, like as

1496
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 5: soon as bars reopened in any way, we're like, I'm

1497
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 5: out and I'm doing it and I'm there, and it's.

1498
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 4: Just like I understand, Like I get it. I know, I.

1499
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 5: Feel the need to be in the community in that

1500
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 5: way and go back to something normal and to hook

1501
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 5: up and to feel sexy.

1502
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,480
Speaker 4: I also don't want to die, right.

1503
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's also a pre existent can audition if

1504
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 1: you're living with HIV, Yeah, yeah, you're you're how so,

1505
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: how how difficult was it to or is it to

1506
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: talk about living with HIV and stuff? Is there still

1507
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: like a stigma that a lot of people care? Because

1508
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: I like, I find that people regardless of how many

1509
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: fucking like, I forget the name of it. Is it? Uh,

1510
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: it's something for Prep, trilicity for Prep. Regardless that commercial

1511
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: comes out every three minutes.

1512
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 3: Yes, that's how I know the name.

1513
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: I know that ship gotta cost a lot. Okay, I

1514
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 1: don't know how. I don't know how much it costs,

1515
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: but that ship must cost a lot, because that ship

1516
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: come on more than McDonald's commercials. But no matter how

1517
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 1: many commercials that are letting people know like, hey, you

1518
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 1: can live with this, this is not the the way

1519
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: that we looked at this in the eighties and the nineties,

1520
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: I still, like, I feel like people still have this

1521
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: stigma of like HIV, like so, like do you have

1522
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: to deal with that?

1523
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,879
Speaker 5: I do, Like I still like all hop on grinder,

1524
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 5: you know, before all this went down, and I have

1525
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 5: it on my profile, you know, like positive, and some

1526
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,439
Speaker 5: people will be like, oh wait, you're positive.

1527
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 4: Nope, never mind, and like you know, bounce out.

1528
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 5: Or like you know, so there's still there is still stigma,

1529
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 5: especially in a lot of the younger generation of gay men,

1530
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 5: because it's like, oh, I don't want to get that,

1531
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 5: and like you you sort of bulk away, but.

1532
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 4: It's like you know you could. There's millions of ways

1533
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 4: for you not to.

1534
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 5: Get this, yes, even and even in the in the

1535
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 5: small chance that you did, Like I'm undetectable. I know that,

1536
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 5: and so I can't transfer to you. But like, even

1537
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 5: if you did, which I was surprised when I got it,

1538
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 5: it was definitely not something I was prepared for. I

1539
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 5: knew that there there are ways now for me to

1540
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 5: live a very normal life span and to live a

1541
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 5: very normal life with this if I take care of

1542
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 5: myself and I have my medication and I do all

1543
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 5: of that. So but there is still a lot of stigma,

1544
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 5: both in a lot more in the straight world and

1545
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,839
Speaker 5: some of the gay world around being a to be positive.

1546
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 4: But first time that I was.

1547
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 5: Public about my status was on stage and I aml

1548
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 5: in my speech.

1549
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

1550
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: So that was the people differently after that, or like,

1551
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: were people like did you come out the stage and

1552
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:17,360
Speaker 1: everybody's like, okay, all right, I'm processing a lot of

1553
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: information right now, or were people like yes, fucking like

1554
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: I love it, you.

1555
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 5: Know, the people who the people who already knew me

1556
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 5: were more like there was a lot going exactly. It

1557
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 5: was like there's a lot going on right now. I'm

1558
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 5: so happy for you, and also like are you okay?

1559
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 5: And why didn't you tell me? So there was a

1560
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 5: lot of that, but for the most part, it's sort

1561
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 5: of like, oh, yeah, you're a gay dude with HIV,

1562
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 5: Like like most of the guys in the community are like,

1563
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 5: oh yeah, whatever, like right, it's but uh for especially

1564
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 5: for a lot of my straight friends. Because my my

1565
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 5: speech got circulated, my speech went viral, which I was

1566
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,839
Speaker 5: also not prepared for, and so a lot of people

1567
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 5: that were not in the gay leather world heard that

1568
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 5: speech that knew me from what elementary school or wherever,

1569
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 5: and we're like, shit, A, I didn't know any of

1570
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 5: this about you, but also.

1571
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:10,840
Speaker 4: Like your age to be positive or you gonna live?

1572
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: Like are you all right?

1573
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 4: Like I'm fine, Like I'm good.

1574
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: They're hearing it for the first time, so they're processing

1575
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: it like for the first time, and it's something that

1576
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: you've lived with daily, so you've already went through that

1577
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 1: emotional roller coasters like they're going, oh, okay, it's okay,

1578
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: it's okay.

1579
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 2: Didn't they kind of flat line out? It's like are

1580
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 2: you okay? Then I'm good.

1581
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: I also wondering.

1582
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 5: It's also like the like you hear HIV and you

1583
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 5: think you're gonna die. Like that's what a lot of

1584
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 5: people have been trained to know about HIV, Like it's

1585
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 5: a death sentence.

1586
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 4: My friend is gonna die.

1587
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 5: And like when I told my parents, I didn't tell

1588
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 5: them until a year after my diagnosis because I was like,

1589
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 5: I don't know how to have that conversation because my

1590
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 5: uncle's my the men that my mom met when she

1591
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 5: came here all died of HIV, and so I knew

1592
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 5: that having that conversation was gonna be real tough with

1593
01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 5: my mom and.

1594
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: Weird because it's less like I feel like people are

1595
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: more educated than they used to be because it used

1596
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: to be it used to be real, real bad. I'm

1597
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: not saying it's good right now, but it used to

1598
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: be like uh used to be. Yeah, he wiped the

1599
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: towel with heat. I'm gonna get it, you know, Like

1600
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: I remember when Magic got it in the NBA with

1601
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 1: spread a lot of awareness, but I also showed how

1602
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: ignorant people were, Like Karmelone was like, I ain't playing

1603
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: no game with Magic. I'm gonna get a It's like

1604
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 1: that's not how are you gonna? Are you gonna fucking

1605
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,360
Speaker 1: half court with no condom, Like, where are you getting from, carmelone?

1606
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 4: I want a lot more basketball if.

1607
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 5: Yes, this is this is the ball in basketball one

1608
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 5: that I'm in it, Like, oh cool, I didn't know about.

1609
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: That balls these sports for real? Right when coming out,

1610
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 1: y'all thought Black Lives Matter was too much. But it's

1611
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 1: interesting though, because people used to be like super duper

1612
01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 1: ignorant about it, right, But and I do feel like,

1613
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, people have become more educated and they do

1614
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,719
Speaker 1: know more about it. Shout out to you know, post

1615
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: shout out to like I said, Magic Johnson, because that

1616
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 1: did promote a lot of awareness for stuff. But at

1617
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: the same time, what I kept thinking about this whole

1618
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 1: fucking pandemic is that the gay community has kind of

1619
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: they've seen this before, Like like those of us watching

1620
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: a president deny a virus is killing people right now,

1621
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: you know.

1622
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 4: It's not news to us.

1623
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, like, okay, we've seen this before. Let's get ready,

1624
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 5: like yeah, like we and granted, like I I'm only

1625
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 5: thirty four, you know, Like I didn't. I grew up

1626
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 5: in the nineties, and so I saw a lot of

1627
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 5: moving forward with information about HIV and like I didn't

1628
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 5: really I wasn't really around early cognizant of it when

1629
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:05,439
Speaker 5: it was at its worst, and I was still, like

1630
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 5: when I found out, was terrified and scared.

1631
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 4: And I was working at.

1632
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 5: An HIV and age organization at the time, which made it.

1633
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 5: It was made it made it a lot harder for

1634
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 5: me to work there, just because like my feelings have

1635
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 5: getten in the way that.

1636
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 4: Whole first year. But yeah, there was, but it's still not.

1637
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 5: New information for us to deal with a virus that

1638
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 5: the greater community doesn't seem to understand or give a

1639
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 5: shit about, or have wild accusations about how you get

1640
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 5: it or not get it. Which is the shocking part

1641
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 5: to me of how many people are still are acting

1642
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 5: that way that our gay is.

1643
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 4: It's like the amount of anti masters.

1644
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 1: That are game just like, y'all, yeah, come on, we've

1645
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 1: been here before, we went through their dress rehearsal. This

1646
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: is not like And the thing is, I think in

1647
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: a weird way, people just don't expect someone in power

1648
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 1: or authority, like a president, to be in such stark

1649
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: did nile and to be able to be so callous.

1650
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: But you know, like I grew up in the eighties.

1651
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: I remember Ronald Reagan's administration. I definitely remember people saying

1652
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: that AIDS was a black and gay men thing.

1653
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:18,560
Speaker 6: Yes, And it was like people, yes, they do, and

1654
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,240
Speaker 6: and black women, black straight women are the number one

1655
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 6: carriers of AIDS, you know, statistically. So it's like, well,

1656
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 6: then why are we making this false thing up.

1657
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: That's just another group that these white folks don't care

1658
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 1: about though, So yay, I mean I don't understand, Like

1659
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: for what was interesting, it was like once they were

1660
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,560
Speaker 1: able to push it to this is just a marginalized

1661
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: person's disease, right then Ronald Reagan's like, I'm not gonna

1662
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: do shit. And so I feel like that's kind of

1663
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: what happened with the pandemic too, is that they're like, oh,

1664
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 1: disproportionately black and brown people are dying, disproportionately, people with

1665
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: less means are dying. Yeah, fuck it, let everything burn.

1666
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what the Bibles like, we don't want the mask.

1667
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 5: Oh it's just y'all whatever, Like that's fine, what we

1668
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 5: can work through this.

1669
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: So it's for me, but it don't need death for you, okay.

1670
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know what they they're they're saying that

1671
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 6: and guess what now, since it's done swept this way

1672
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 6: over in the corn fields, now all of a sudden

1673
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 6: they we want to be concerned, and what are we

1674
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 6: gonna do about the overflow of hospitals. I don't know

1675
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 6: what made y'all think COVID wentn't gonna float with the end,

1676
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 6: float your way, but that's all it is.

1677
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 5: But they didn't think they were black people and and

1678
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 5: people that were that would be having it in their communities.

1679
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 5: Like they're like, well, those people don't live here with us,

1680
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 5: so we're safe. Yes, you know, all those trump all

1681
01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,639
Speaker 5: those people with those big old Trump you know, banners

1682
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,360
Speaker 5: and signs outside their house, Like it's gonna be harder

1683
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 5: for them to get to a hospital or to get

1684
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 5: seen or to get care because there's there's usually like

1685
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 5: a lot smaller uh like hospitals situations that are out there,

1686
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:55,920
Speaker 5: and they're already gonna get overwhelmed with just a normal

1687
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 5: amount of.

1688
01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 1: People, like right right right, because my family down in

1689
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 1: ways Bird, they live in like them, the small hick

1690
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: towns where literally you can overwhelm the hospital.

1691
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 3: You get a smooth fifty people in there that were in.

1692
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: Trouble, so you know, for me.

1693
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, and it's sad that they have to be.

1694
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 6: The face of it before they care. It's the same

1695
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 6: thing about drugs and myth. You know before when it

1696
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 6: was cracked cocaine and all this other stuff.

1697
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:21,880
Speaker 3: Nobody cares.

1698
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 2: It's myth.

1699
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 3: We need to change the loss. Let's not do that.

1700
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,759
Speaker 5: Crisis all of a sudden, you need to deal with drugs.

1701
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 5: Like it's like okay, yeah, I saw okay.

1702
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: Sure, there's even Republican governors now saying we need to

1703
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 1: wear a mask. And I'm just like, oh so now

1704
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:39,280
Speaker 1: y'all got it. Cause like that's what happened with aib

1705
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: hates too, because like there was when I was coming up,

1706
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: there was literally it went from no education on it

1707
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: to just like don't be gay and don't be having

1708
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: sex with black people. Like that's where it started and

1709
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: did it ended up with Like I think like once

1710
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 1: Magic got it, it was like, oh.

1711
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 3: Shit, here's all the pamphlets, all the booklets.

1712
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,160
Speaker 4: Right, It's like, I mean, we're not.

1713
01:21:01,080 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 5: Good with anything, Like we're not, Like I think of

1714
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 5: it all the way back to like we all we

1715
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 5: we knew about cigarettes, but as soon as like cigarettes

1716
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 5: are killing, like like yeah, started killing like white people

1717
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 5: that were smoking all the time all of a sudden,

1718
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 5: like a way to get the information out there, but

1719
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,920
Speaker 5: people are still smoking. Like you have information and people

1720
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,479
Speaker 5: can only like I believe in harm reduction. I can't

1721
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 5: tell you what your level of harm reduction is. I

1722
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,800
Speaker 5: can't tell you how to live your life or what

1723
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 5: you consider safe. You know, a lot of people think

1724
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 5: that my entire life is unsafe. I you know, like

1725
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 5: I asked to get beat with things and people would

1726
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 5: consider that to be not safe.

1727
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,759
Speaker 4: But I know my level of safety.

1728
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 5: I can't tell you what your level of safety is

1729
01:21:42,160 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 5: if you decide to go outside not wearing a mask.

1730
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 5: But I can sit back here and be like, well,

1731
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 5: when the consequences of that action catch up to you,

1732
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 5: how well are you going to deal with that with

1733
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 5: other people? Like how much education are you going to

1734
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,560
Speaker 5: fight for when it affects you?

1735
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:02,839
Speaker 1: And with this disease, like uh, because when the pandemic started,

1736
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 1: I had a guy that I played basketball, and he

1737
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 1: was on his page saying like it's just a flu,

1738
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 1: It's no big deal, blah blah no, And it was

1739
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: like at that point, a lot of black people had

1740
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:16,080
Speaker 1: already died from it, so uh and this is a

1741
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 1: white guy. And I was like, chuck, dog, I know

1742
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 1: you in real life, this is insane what you're saying

1743
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: right now, Like it's not just the flu. People have

1744
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 1: died from this. It's not good, Like you could at

1745
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 1: least not be callous about it. And it was just

1746
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: so foreign to him because it hadn't you know, it

1747
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 1: hadn't happened to him or anyone close to him yet.

1748
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: And it was like, yeah, the consequences of acting like

1749
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: this is no big deal, it will affect you eventually,

1750
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: and you're right, there's it's what do you do then? Like,

1751
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 1: because I do hope people can kind of turn around,

1752
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, I am hearing like the hard stories. Of course,

1753
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 1: if people getting put on ventilators and being like it's

1754
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: all a hoax, You're like, okay, well obviously not them,

1755
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: but for some of some more reasonable people, hopefully. I

1756
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm.

1757
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 2: I'm telling you why you died.

1758
01:23:05,160 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 5: For the other What do you think this big cold

1759
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 5: truck outside is full of bodies.

1760
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 4: I don't think we're doing here.

1761
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 1: You're making it up.

1762
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 5: And like I've had I've had over a dozen people

1763
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 5: in my life die this year most of COVID I

1764
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,280
Speaker 5: was in Belgium. My title yer kind of got cut

1765
01:23:23,320 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 5: short because in March I was in Belgium and that

1766
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 5: was the last trip I took, and that was the

1767
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 5: weekend they closed Italy. Yeah, and so a lot of

1768
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 5: people that were at this big event in Belgium all

1769
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 5: had to rush out and leave their hotels and this

1770
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 5: whole event because they had to get back into their

1771
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 5: country or they were going to get locked out.

1772
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 4: And a friend of mine.

1773
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 5: A major person in the community out there in Europe,

1774
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 5: had his annual birthday party like that weekend, and he

1775
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 5: died a couple of weeks later of COVID. Wow, and

1776
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 5: it's just been this And I got home and I

1777
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,879
Speaker 5: told everyone, I'm not traveling anymore, like I'm HIV positive,

1778
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 5: I already have shitty health, Like I get sick so

1779
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,839
Speaker 5: easily anyway, that I'm I'm not going to risk myself

1780
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 5: and my husband, who also has you know, a lot

1781
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 5: of pre existing conditions by going out to more events.

1782
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 5: Like I'm sorry, and then everything shut down anyway. But

1783
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,880
Speaker 5: most people don't see a problem. They think, Oh, we're

1784
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 5: going to keep trying to have these events until it

1785
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 5: act they see something that actually affects them.

1786
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 4: And that's with anything.

1787
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 5: Like people don't care about trans issues until they meet

1788
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 5: someone who's trands. Like people don't care about you know,

1789
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 5: black and brown people until someone they know gets affected

1790
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 5: by by violence.

1791
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 3: You know.

1792
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 4: So it's just the way.

1793
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 5: Our people work, unfortunately, that we're just so blind to

1794
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:43,519
Speaker 5: shit unless it touches our lives.

1795
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sad, but we're very myopic that way, regardless

1796
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: of it's so weird. Because we have the Internet, we're

1797
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 1: more connected than ever, we have more access to knowledge

1798
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 1: than ever.

1799
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:55,640
Speaker 3: Information, so much information.

1800
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, do you know how it was to grow up

1801
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,640
Speaker 6: in the eighties and not know it and have to

1802
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 6: go to a library and.

1803
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:03,839
Speaker 1: Check out a book and know to do a decimal

1804
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: system and out of the foolishness.

1805
01:25:05,479 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 2: If you like, if you really want to know something.

1806
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, when I was like, I had to not look

1807
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 5: online to see if I had like I could be

1808
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 5: dying of cancer. Right, you know, it's just a rash,

1809
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 5: but you don't know what kind of rash it is.

1810
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,600
Speaker 5: Take a picture of it and look it up online.

1811
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 2: You know what.

1812
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,600
Speaker 3: You better real some tussing on that that was my mama's.

1813
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 1: You know yes, Like when I was a kid, it

1814
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 1: would be like, yes, everyone knows you have sex in

1815
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: the p hole or whatever. It's just like that's how

1816
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: little information we had, you know, like we used.

1817
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 4: To make them down to place right.

1818
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 3: Yes, but they used to tell us it's.

1819
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 1: Stand up at the sex and you won't get pregnant.

1820
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 1: Like I heard jump up and jump up and down

1821
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 1: and you won't get pregnant, right you, Like I have

1822
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 1: several sources, okay to say that.

1823
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 5: It's not much better now though, Like I so I

1824
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 5: talked for a while for with an organization in San

1825
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 5: Francisco called Samransco Sex Information uh so, where we teach

1826
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 5: sex educators how to teach sex d and we had

1827
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 5: to reteach them, like a lot of people are going

1828
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 5: to go to Google or to y'allhoo answers to ask questions,

1829
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,679
Speaker 5: and we try to hop on those questions first because

1830
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 5: it doesn't go by the right answer.

1831
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:12,719
Speaker 4: It goes probably the most.

1832
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 5: Popular answer yeah, and that's not almost ever the right answer.

1833
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: Correct and not to mention like in a world where

1834
01:26:20,479 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: we now have two versions of truth on everything, like

1835
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:30,360
Speaker 1: what it was like everything there's broad conspiracies about like

1836
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 1: the president and all this stuff, Like I can't imagine

1837
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 1: what kids are getting now. Like there must have been

1838
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 1: a sweet spot when the internet was like when al

1839
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,120
Speaker 1: Go invented the Internet and it was mostly just for information.

1840
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:42,759
Speaker 1: There's like a sweet spot of probably like ten years,

1841
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: and then everyone figured out we can just put porn

1842
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 1: on this shit and.

1843
01:26:46,680 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 4: Anything you wrote on the internet.

1844
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, now the kids are all fucked up again, Like,

1845
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: oh man, that sucks.

1846
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 5: Speaking of the wazing to me that if you have

1847
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 5: an opinion, you can find that the something that's going

1848
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 5: to make you feel better about your opinion, that will

1849
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 5: They'll be like, oh, this is a fact. Yes, anything

1850
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 5: you want to know on the internet. And that's terrifying.

1851
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 1: Dog. Hey, the the Joe Biden won the election, and

1852
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: there's a good chunk of people who just do not

1853
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: want to fucking believe that. That is insane that he

1854
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: did not win.

1855
01:27:18,080 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 6: And I think, my person opinion, that's the whole purpose

1856
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 6: of Trump not conceding is to keep to row this

1857
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 6: group up.

1858
01:27:25,439 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 1: But you can literally like turn to a TV station

1859
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 1: that will tell you he did not win, Like that's yeah,

1860
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: we're so fucked. We're so fucked, is what I That's

1861
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: all I wanted to say, well, before.

1862
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 5: We just had the news, we just had the news,

1863
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 5: and the news and the news had what was happening.

1864
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 4: It was fat but he saw the same ship and

1865
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:43,719
Speaker 4: it was great.

1866
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 5: And now there's so many different news and blogs and

1867
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 5: opinions that like, if you find the right person who

1868
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 5: agrees with you on ship, you can cut the rest out.

1869
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 5: And I can't believe and anybody who's your friend that

1870
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 5: you think is your friend you could just be like,

1871
01:27:59,320 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 5: well you.

1872
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:01,519
Speaker 4: Don't agree with me, so you don't exist anymore and

1873
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 4: that yeah, oh it's it's so scary out there.

1874
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's insane. Man. How did did the election divide

1875
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 1: the your community the way that is? Because I know

1876
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: with uh, this president has been very divisive Donald Trump,

1877
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: and I feel like he a lot of people lost friendships.

1878
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: A lot of people are kind of like, how can

1879
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: you Like it got to a point where was like,

1880
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 1: how can you be cool with this? So like did

1881
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 1: you have you had to experience that as well. Even

1882
01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: with even with it, because you said earlier, even within

1883
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: the queer community, you still have people that are like, yeah,

1884
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not wearing a mask, or yeah I

1885
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: vote conservative, but I'm in the king, but you know,

1886
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:41,240
Speaker 1: not too much or whatever, like did you find that too? Oh?

1887
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean there there is a very popular

1888
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 5: trend right now of finding the secret Nazis, right, the

1889
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 5: secret you know, white supremacists within the gay and leather world,

1890
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:59,719
Speaker 5: because leather is by default taboo, and there are even

1891
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 5: within in how crazy and taboo are stuff is, there's

1892
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 5: even more taboos within it that we are even like, hey, like,

1893
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 5: there are plenty of people that have Nazi fetishes and

1894
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 5: have you know, like you know, skinhead fetishes, and that's fine,

1895
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,639
Speaker 5: have your fetishes, but the minute that you put something,

1896
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,719
Speaker 5: you put a picture online, or you make a statement,

1897
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 5: it becomes a public statement, not a private fetish, right,

1898
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 5: and then you have to deal with everybody else's public

1899
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 5: opinion about your public opinion. And there are a lot

1900
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 5: of folks in the leather community that are you know,

1901
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 5: very upset that you know, fly Confederate flags or like

1902
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,520
Speaker 5: have their own things and people, and then they immediately

1903
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,679
Speaker 5: get canceled, and you know, you get the like, hey,

1904
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:43,639
Speaker 5: do you know that you're mutual friends with this person?

1905
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 5: Like you should unfriend them, you know, kind of peer pressure,

1906
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 5: and I I again I'm like, I don't care what

1907
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:54,519
Speaker 5: you do. It's not about me, Like, leave me out

1908
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:58,320
Speaker 5: of it. Like, I'm not here to police. What y'alla.

1909
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 1: You're probably in li You're getting the black trans man

1910
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:06,560
Speaker 1: Pokemon treatment probably yes.

1911
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 7: Ioo.

1912
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: Oh fuck yeah all day every day they'll pull you out.

1913
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 4: I hate that, Like, yeah, it's it's awful.

1914
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm I if you look at my Facebook page,

1915
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:26,679
Speaker 5: it is just nerdy shit.

1916
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,720
Speaker 4: I had cute animals and you know.

1917
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 5: Pictures of me, you know, wearing crazy leather stuff, and.

1918
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 4: That's that's it.

1919
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 5: Like, I don't I don't post a lot of anything political.

1920
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 5: I don't do any of that. I leave that to

1921
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 5: my husband. He's the political person two of us. I've

1922
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 5: gotten more political after being with him for so many years.

1923
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,799
Speaker 5: And there are definitely some Trump supporters in the community,

1924
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 5: and people will automatically be like, well, you're friends with them,

1925
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:54,599
Speaker 5: so you have to deal with this, And I'm like,

1926
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 5: I don't care what they do, Like I'm not a

1927
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:01,280
Speaker 5: fan of Trump supporters, definitely. I have a lot of

1928
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 5: family that are Trump supporters that I don't talk to.

1929
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 5: And because my family are all like redneck hicks on

1930
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 5: one side, and I and I and a lot of

1931
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 5: them are cool and some of them aren't, and I

1932
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 5: just don't talk to them.

1933
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: They're the ones that aren't from Berkeley. They're the ones.

1934
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, my dad was the black Sheep before I came around, Okay,

1935
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 5: And and my dad is basically I always say, my

1936
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 5: dad is if Joe Biden and Brad Major's from Rocky

1937
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 5: or Picture Show had a baby, that's what my dad is.

1938
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 1: Your family seems pretty cool though, like at least you're

1939
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 1: like your nuclear family, Like they seem pretty pretty dope

1940
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:45,360
Speaker 1: and supportive. Man, they are.

1941
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, my my my sisters and my my mom, my dad,

1942
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 5: and you know, my uncles and some folks are all

1943
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 5: real supportive, even my grandparents. Like before my grandpa died,

1944
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,839
Speaker 5: he he you know, we talked and he was supported.

1945
01:31:56,880 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 5: My grandmother is. But there's a lot of like you know,

1946
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:01,719
Speaker 5: cousin that are born again and a bunch of folks

1947
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 5: that are very very Trumpian, and we just we don't

1948
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 5: talk about that, yeah, or we don't talk at all.

1949
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Speaker 4: And it's the same thing with my friends group.

1950
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, if people voted for Trump after this election,

1951
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 5: especially if he had won, that would have been it

1952
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:19,360
Speaker 5: like we would there would be no contact because I

1953
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 5: was freaking out about what you know, black bag was

1954
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 5: going to get put over my head and what concentration

1955
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 5: camp I was getting in front, you know, and how

1956
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 5: how we can defend our house because I'm a I'm

1957
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,600
Speaker 5: a public figure, like if taken away, it's going to

1958
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:35,080
Speaker 5: be me and my husband and that scared the ship

1959
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 5: out of me. And thank god we the election went

1960
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,560
Speaker 5: the way that it did, or you know, as we

1961
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,960
Speaker 5: we're pretty sure it is, actually this got this got

1962
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 5: so real.

1963
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 1: Got Roger bought up a point did I didn't even

1964
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 1: think of People were talking about uh Trump uh losing

1965
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 1: and Roger was like, no, if he wins, it just

1966
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 1: embodes them even the more, or to act a fool

1967
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: even the more, because it just confirms.

1968
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Speaker 3: That they feel like they're right right, Yeah, exactly.

1969
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 1: And then the other thing too, is like, you know,

1970
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:12,920
Speaker 1: this year, I was like fuck it, burn you know,

1971
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: burn Bridges or whatever I have to do. But I

1972
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:17,160
Speaker 1: was like, I don't even really want to talk to

1973
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 1: people that are sitting on the sidelines on this one,

1974
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,200
Speaker 1: like you just gotta fight, you know, because I always

1975
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,600
Speaker 1: thought thought so many of the arguments from within like

1976
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 1: the woke community felt, they kind of fell flat for

1977
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:29,920
Speaker 1: me because they will always get to this point where

1978
01:33:29,960 --> 01:33:32,600
Speaker 1: they were like, well, it's not gonna change anything for me.

1979
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, but it's gonna change shit for a lot

1980
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: of other people that aren't you. Even if you think,

1981
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 1: even if you think your ship isn't that important, do

1982
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: you can't. We'll get to you right right now. My

1983
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:45,639
Speaker 1: belief is it's coming for your ass too. I don't

1984
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 1: think like I mean, even if you voted for him

1985
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 1: as coming to you, this nigga leaves his motherfucking supporters

1986
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:50,880
Speaker 1: out in the coach.

1987
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 5: But okay, let's say so hard literally literally.

1988
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: So let's say let's say the bill. Yeah, let's say

1989
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: you're okay with that somehow you're okay with that. But

1990
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,640
Speaker 1: you can't then turn around and be like, yeah, you know,

1991
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm an advocate and I'm an ally with this and

1992
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,640
Speaker 1: that and this community and then be like, but you know,

1993
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 1: fucking if the guy who wants to kill them gets

1994
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: in office, that I mean whatever, Like, no, motherfucker, we're fighting.

1995
01:34:16,680 --> 01:34:19,759
Speaker 1: We're all fighting, you know. I saw the day Biden

1996
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: went above eighty million today for because they're still counting votes,

1997
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, I told y'all it would be

1998
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 1: a blowout by the end. Like it's like, I know

1999
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 1: people thought, you know when it first started. I mean,

2000
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 1: I just didn't participate in it. I had faith, but

2001
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: it was a lot of Like I told y'all, these

2002
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,720
Speaker 1: white motherfuckers was gone. So I was like, let's just

2003
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 1: wait until we count the votes. These goddamn polls. They

2004
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 1: lied on the post. I'm like, we don't know that.

2005
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 1: Let's just wait till the numbers come in. If the

2006
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: motherfucker kicks his ass by ten million, then we'll be like, oh,

2007
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 1: they weren't lying, you know what I mean. But it

2008
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,719
Speaker 1: was it was so tight the last couple of weeks.

2009
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:00,719
Speaker 4: I like to wait.

2010
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 5: People want to respond. They don't want to wait and

2011
01:35:03,439 --> 01:35:07,000
Speaker 5: have a response ready. They want to respond immediately because

2012
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 5: that's what their emotional state wants them to do. It's true,

2013
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 5: we're so we're so used to with the internet. Someone

2014
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,599
Speaker 5: types something to you, and technically you should be able

2015
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 5: to sit there, think about thoughtfully a response, and then respond.

2016
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 4: Instead, we just immediately type back.

2017
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 5: And it's like that's not actually helpful because your first

2018
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 5: response is probably not the one you actually are gonna

2019
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:31,400
Speaker 5: feel needs to be tied to that response forever.

2020
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 1: Yes, oh my god, that is so. That is exactly.

2021
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 1: That's the thing I try to avoid these days, like

2022
01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: unless it's a joke, because I won't lie. If I'm

2023
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 1: going to make a joke, I'm probably gonna do it fast.

2024
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: But unless it's a joke, I do try to like

2025
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 1: relax on, like I don't have to respond to this.

2026
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,760
Speaker 1: Like the other day, I made a joke. I said,

2027
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 1: what is her nu breed Rihanna gray Joy or something

2028
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: like that. I made a joke like she's the Candice

2029
01:35:55,160 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 1: Ollers of the left. It was really just a joke.

2030
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: It was like she had said something pretty she had

2031
01:36:00,240 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 1: something pretty silly earlier, and everybody was like laughing about

2032
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,759
Speaker 1: it or dunking on her, you know something, or outraged

2033
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: at it. I don't really get mad at people, like

2034
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 1: you said the thing, you know, that's your brain. But

2035
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 1: so I made this joke and like the Bernie bro

2036
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:16,479
Speaker 1: people like were mad and they were in my mentions

2037
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: and and I was just thinking that was that was

2038
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 1: honestly the zen moment I had. I was like, but

2039
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:26,639
Speaker 1: y'all always mad, like like because people were like why

2040
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:28,640
Speaker 1: are you okay? I was like, oh, oh no, I

2041
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: haven't even looked at that stuff.

2042
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 2: Like like, but you haven't filtered.

2043
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 3: I don't know how many people even responded to you.

2044
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like this guy said such and such. I'm like,

2045
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how to tell you this. I don't

2046
01:36:39,920 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 1: even get to see sometimes when my friends post, because

2047
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: I just I'm that blocked up, you know what I mean.

2048
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 1: I'm just like, but you kind of have to be,

2049
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 1: because I think in the past what would have happened

2050
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,640
Speaker 1: is exactly what Jack said. I would have wanted to

2051
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 1: respond immediately. I would have wanted to respond to everybody

2052
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 1: as if somehow that was going to help the situation.

2053
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 1: But within those immediate responses, I would have either been

2054
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 1: setting off other minds. I would have been saying something

2055
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: something that could be taken out of context a different way.

2056
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:11,919
Speaker 1: I said what I said. You know, I'm a comedian.

2057
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 1: You see it in my bio. Take it serious or

2058
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 1: don't take it serious, but like, there has to be

2059
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 1: some measure of distance in order to understand. So I

2060
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 1: have one more question for you, Actually there's really two more,

2061
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: but what what is up with international mister Leather? Now

2062
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: that we have the pandemic and you can't have all

2063
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:31,839
Speaker 1: these people together.

2064
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean so, I mean I was a little

2065
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:37,560
Speaker 5: worried at first because.

2066
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 4: They, you know, like, what everybody was.

2067
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 5: Doing, Well, well, let's see what happens next month and

2068
01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 5: when they open things back up, you know. So because

2069
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:46,120
Speaker 5: International Mischielli's away at the end of May, so it

2070
01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 5: was right after the pandemic kind of hit, and everyone's like, Okay,

2071
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 5: well we'll stay inside for a month and then we'll

2072
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 5: go back to normal.

2073
01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 4: And as that got closer and closer, I you know,

2074
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 4: they were like, hey, so if we have to move,

2075
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 4: because They're like, we'll move it to the fall. And

2076
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:05,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I don't think it's going to work.

2077
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 4: But they're like, well, can you write.

2078
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 5: A kind of a step aside because the stepping aside

2079
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:17,599
Speaker 5: I mL and IMBB you have a small ceremony at

2080
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 5: the event, and you you know, it's like an unofficial roast,

2081
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 5: and I was looking forward to that. Shit.

2082
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, someone says some mean shit about me,

2083
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 4: Oh do it. It would be fun. And I've always

2084
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 4: wanted a roast.

2085
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 5: And they're like, well, can you just like write like

2086
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:35,599
Speaker 5: a step aside speech?

2087
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 4: In case, because if we have to move into.

2088
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:40,840
Speaker 5: The fall, you we probably won't have time because of

2089
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 5: how different the schedule will be. And I'm like, well

2090
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:46,599
Speaker 5: that sucks, but I mean, okay, but am I actually

2091
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,240
Speaker 5: stepping aside if this doesn't happen? Like they were very

2092
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 5: unclear and with and with my accounter part Crizzly, who

2093
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 5: lives in Netherlands, like if what was going to happen

2094
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 5: if we couldn't have the event, because some titles just

2095
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:07,080
Speaker 5: were like okay, well we'll give you a twenty twenty

2096
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 5: and you'll just continue the title to the following year,

2097
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 5: and some people just didn't have an event and that

2098
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 5: was the end of the title year. And I was like, oh, please,

2099
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 5: don't let me have another year, Like I don't.

2100
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 4: I can't do this shit again.

2101
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:26,360
Speaker 5: This took a lot out of me. It almost broke

2102
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:29,879
Speaker 5: my marriage, Like, you know, John is very very supportive,

2103
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,679
Speaker 5: but also like we're a couple that you know, we're

2104
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:35,599
Speaker 5: better the more time we spend together. Yeah, So COVID's

2105
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 5: been good for us in that way because we got

2106
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 5: to reconnect after basically a year of me not being home.

2107
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 5: And so when they kind of quietly were like, yeah,

2108
01:39:46,120 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 5: you and Krizly are stepping aside. We're just going to

2109
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 5: have it blank for twenty twenty, and I'm like, cool.

2110
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 5: But they didn't really publicize it in a way, so

2111
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 5: most people still think and thought that we were continuing

2112
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 5: the titles. And even if we don't, technically there's still

2113
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:02,960
Speaker 5: no one in that.

2114
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:06,040
Speaker 4: Spot to take that spotlight. So I still get I

2115
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:06,880
Speaker 4: still get all of.

2116
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,760
Speaker 5: The responsibilities and like kind of the brunt of the

2117
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:11,000
Speaker 5: responsibilities from people.

2118
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 1: So you like that, You're then opposite of You're the

2119
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:16,639
Speaker 1: opposite of Trump. You're like, I would like to concede.

2120
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 5: I would like to con it immediately, like to not

2121
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:20,840
Speaker 5: be in charge of.

2122
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 2: We don't have nobody taking place.

2123
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:26,960
Speaker 1: No, no, I think you guys will move on.

2124
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 5: I just want to sit around and play video games

2125
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:31,639
Speaker 5: and not think about this ship for a while.

2126
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 4: Like, right, if I can get a PS five, that

2127
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 4: would make this a lot easier.

2128
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: Come on now, okay, listen. I was like Liz, like,

2129
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 1: I want you to count all the votes, the illegal votes,

2130
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 1: all the votes. Hurry up the votes. Yeah, count of one.

2131
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: We don't have, we don't have all day. Let's go

2132
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 1: and then.

2133
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:51,800
Speaker 4: Some dead people voting.

2134
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: Tell them to as long as they voted the other way. Listen,

2135
01:40:55,960 --> 01:41:00,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to check nothing, no lawsuits, Okay, I

2136
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:01,520
Speaker 1: drop everything.

2137
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean I've still been trying to like

2138
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 5: do what I can while still taking time. Like I

2139
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 5: took a big step back to try and re just

2140
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 5: recoup from the year I had. I was sick through

2141
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:15,280
Speaker 5: most of the last half of my title year just

2142
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 5: because I was moving so often, and I was just

2143
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 5: like airport to home, to the hotel, to the contest,

2144
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 5: to kiss.

2145
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,719
Speaker 4: Hug all these people like move, move, move all.

2146
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:28,639
Speaker 5: The time, and I just I would basically get home,

2147
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,720
Speaker 5: Jeoffrey would make a big pot of chicken soup. I

2148
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,760
Speaker 5: would be dying, and then I'd be like just well

2149
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 5: enough to get on a plane again.

2150
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 4: So I really just.

2151
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 5: Wanted some time to be a person. And now it's

2152
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 5: been like who can I help in what ways? So,

2153
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 5: like my friend Chris J has a morning Facebook live

2154
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 5: show called Coffee with Chris, and so like I've been

2155
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 5: on there a bunch of times, and we've done some

2156
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 5: telethons and like help some local charities with money, and

2157
01:41:57,760 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 5: we you know, we we try to. I'll be on

2158
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 5: like almost any show that I get asked to do

2159
01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 5: because I want to whatever charity they're supporting, I want

2160
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:06,639
Speaker 5: to be there and I want to help in any

2161
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:10,000
Speaker 5: way I can, so I do my part while still

2162
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 5: being able to be safe at home in ways that

2163
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:18,599
Speaker 5: make me feel okay. And it's it's a hard balance,

2164
01:42:18,640 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 5: you know, like people expect people to do so much stuff,

2165
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:23,920
Speaker 5: and you're like, like you y'all know, like people have

2166
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 5: to ask y'all to do so many things, and you're like,

2167
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 5: we want to live, Like, yeah, we want.

2168
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:32,439
Speaker 1: Somebody be like, are y'all reviewing the Mandalorian. I'm like,

2169
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 1: I sometimes I want to watch TV. It's just that's it.

2170
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 1: Like I love it, you love it. That's what you

2171
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:41,719
Speaker 1: hate to say. No, you'll be like, well, I'm because

2172
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 1: I scheduled. It's all over the place, so Rogeric is

2173
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 1: like my secretary. So you have people. I got a

2174
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 1: person in this Roderick. I'd be like, I don't know. Well.

2175
01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:52,840
Speaker 1: The other thing too, is like I know you probably

2176
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: also are ready for them to move on, so you

2177
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 1: don't have to be the Pokemon because there's like the

2178
01:42:57,400 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 1: they kind of extended.

2179
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,759
Speaker 7: The tag Jack Jack, I chose you.

2180
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 1: You know, they kind of extended that without having a

2181
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 1: person in place, so you know, you gotta hope, yeah,

2182
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: pray and hope that like they get another person so

2183
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 1: you can just But but I feel like also that

2184
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 1: title is something you're gonna have forever, because even if

2185
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 1: it's not international, mister leather Raining, you're still gonna be

2186
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:18,799
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen forever.

2187
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:19,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, forever.

2188
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's one of the like every five years

2189
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 5: you sort of are expected to go back and you

2190
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 5: you know, you have your anniversary years, and you're you're

2191
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 5: always this person forever in history. You are this person

2192
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:34,360
Speaker 5: and there's only will be forty two of us if

2193
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 5: another one gets pick I'm number forty one. So this

2194
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 5: is this is a long standing thing and there's only

2195
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 5: so many of us that really understand it. And like

2196
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 5: most people, no matter how long it's been since they ran,

2197
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,679
Speaker 5: still wear their brotherhood medal because everyone who runs gets

2198
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 5: a medal. Just because you don't get the gold of

2199
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,840
Speaker 5: the silver of the bronze doesn't mean you don't have one,

2200
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 5: and that is usually much more important to people because

2201
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 5: it's the brotherhood that goes along with it, and so

2202
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:00,280
Speaker 5: that brotherhood will always be there and that can unity

2203
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 5: will always be there. But I don't have to be

2204
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:06,600
Speaker 5: the person people look to forever, you know, to to

2205
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:09,839
Speaker 5: carry to carry that titler, to carry the the opinion

2206
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,559
Speaker 5: of the of the community. And you know, this year

2207
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:17,320
Speaker 5: was verly special because the International family in general there

2208
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 5: had the most trans people in the International titleholders of

2209
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,360
Speaker 5: any other year. So my my miss is a trans

2210
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 5: woman who I've known for many years. My boot Black

2211
01:44:26,120 --> 01:44:28,960
Speaker 5: is trans. Uh you know, so we've had a lot

2212
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:32,880
Speaker 5: of trans folks, uh sort of in the family, and

2213
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 5: so all of our opinions have been really uh, you know,

2214
01:44:36,120 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 5: up there in paramount for folks to ask us. But

2215
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:42,240
Speaker 5: I'm hoping that there's another poster child that they can

2216
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 5: tag in soon.

2217
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 1: Yes, travel if someone's trying to get into the leather

2218
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,840
Speaker 1: community or into the king community, like what do you

2219
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 1: suggest like they kind of start with in order to

2220
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:56,000
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I need to find my people

2221
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 1: or find out if I'm even into this.

2222
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:03,439
Speaker 5: I mean, if this wasn't COVID times, I would say,

2223
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 5: if you know that there is a gay bar or

2224
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 5: a leather bar specifically in your town or in the

2225
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:12,759
Speaker 5: largest town near you, that is the first place to look.

2226
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:15,200
Speaker 5: Because there's just there's going to be community there no

2227
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:16,960
Speaker 5: matter what, Like you're going to find people even if

2228
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 5: you just go to a gay bar in town, if

2229
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 5: it's the only gay bar in town, there will probably

2230
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 5: have some information there of who you go to. There's

2231
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 5: also just the Internet, like if you can look up

2232
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 5: like the city you're in and like leather community in

2233
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:34,599
Speaker 5: Google and you'll find like resources or places. There's also

2234
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 5: like this finding friends, like if you if you are,

2235
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:40,639
Speaker 5: if you are, if you're gay, you can probably be like, hey,

2236
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:43,559
Speaker 5: do y'all know anything about the leather community. And granted

2237
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 5: there will probably be some gay like why do you

2238
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:47,759
Speaker 5: want to be into that? Right, like any other community,

2239
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:51,639
Speaker 5: you know, right, but you'll probably find some common ground.

2240
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:53,759
Speaker 5: Like almost every gay dude I know has a harness,

2241
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 5: you know, has the chess harness that they wear once

2242
01:45:56,479 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 5: a year to that one party, you know, and so

2243
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,640
Speaker 5: there there's ways to find it. There's also like you

2244
01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 5: can look me up, uh, you know, you can look

2245
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 5: up whoever your your state or local titleholder is, because

2246
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 5: that's technically being another title. You're not automatically a leader.

2247
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:16,400
Speaker 5: That's sort of what we've fallen into. There's no.

2248
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 4: You know, expectation for you to be a leader.

2249
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 5: For you, you can handle your title or however the

2250
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 5: hell you want to, as long as your producers tell

2251
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:30,559
Speaker 5: you you can't. But you end up sort of being

2252
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 5: the go to person for like a lot of questions

2253
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 5: that get asked in the interview is if a new

2254
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 5: person was coming into the community, you know, how how

2255
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:43,519
Speaker 5: would you help them find community or how would you

2256
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 5: help them find a club to go to or information?

2257
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,160
Speaker 5: If you're if you're a personal color in the community,

2258
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:53,160
Speaker 5: Onyxes is gonna be your You're probably your your space

2259
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 5: to go either the ONX or the Onyx pearls.

2260
01:46:56,240 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we appreciate the information. Are you you say

2261
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:02,080
Speaker 1: you were nerdy earlier? What are you watching?

2262
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:05,240
Speaker 4: Oh?

2263
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:07,840
Speaker 5: I mean we we did the whole like arrow verse,

2264
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:09,240
Speaker 5: like we're really big in the air.

2265
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:15,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, but now they're killing off all of it, I know, although.

2266
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 1: They are gonna make us spin off of a pain

2267
01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:20,400
Speaker 1: killer and I'm here from from Black Lightning.

2268
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 5: I'm here for that.

2269
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 1: Yeah that dude.

2270
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, like, yeah, all the arrowverse, I do a lot

2271
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:29,960
Speaker 5: of d and d uh. We're well, like I said,

2272
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 5: we're finishing up Supernatural. It's been a long bene.

2273
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:33,960
Speaker 2: That the ain't been on FORELB.

2274
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:35,959
Speaker 3: How many season Nigga fory five.

2275
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 5: Fifteen, so it's the last season was the fifteenth. Yeah,

2276
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 5: so we're on that now. Me and my husband are

2277
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 5: super into Star Wars. Yes, doctor who, we have a

2278
01:47:47,160 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 5: we have doctor who quotes on the insides of our

2279
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:49,719
Speaker 5: wedding rings.

2280
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:53,479
Speaker 1: What does your say? What does your say?

2281
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:55,600
Speaker 4: I like, impossible?

2282
01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:57,719
Speaker 1: Oh that's dope.

2283
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:01,439
Speaker 5: But yeah, so like I I like all sorts of

2284
01:48:02,040 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 5: nerdy h.

2285
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:05,720
Speaker 1: Like, are you watching The Mandalorian?

2286
01:48:06,720 --> 01:48:10,280
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, yeah, super into the Mandalorian. The the mama

2287
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:13,479
Speaker 5: bear of our little leather family is is building her

2288
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 5: own Mandalorian armor, like has been building it for all time.

2289
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:20,639
Speaker 5: Like that's how Yeah, we're big and mad all sorts

2290
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:21,160
Speaker 5: of X Men.

2291
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 4: I have so much X Men. It is a little ridiculous.

2292
01:48:25,800 --> 01:48:28,640
Speaker 1: When they redid when they redid the X Men for

2293
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:30,960
Speaker 1: the Fox movie, they were all wearing leather.

2294
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 4: I was I was just like, I prefer this over

2295
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 4: the spandex.

2296
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:41,519
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's like Hue Jackman, just like Ripped, but

2297
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: with leather. You're just like, you know what, that's nice.

2298
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 4: I was not mad at it.

2299
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,360
Speaker 3: And you have a you have a went in the background,

2300
01:48:49,400 --> 01:48:49,960
Speaker 3: I heard you.

2301
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:51,720
Speaker 2: You didn't finish your sentence. He was talking about you.

2302
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:55,479
Speaker 5: So so this during the beginnings of COVID, I like

2303
01:48:55,520 --> 01:48:57,960
Speaker 5: bit the bullet and got myself one of those big

2304
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 5: like the big pull out drawer file cabinets. Yes, for

2305
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 5: all my single comics.

2306
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, So I got the.

2307
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:08,559
Speaker 4: Big and it still doesn't hold all of them. All.

2308
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:11,320
Speaker 5: My X Men is still in boxes, categorized by title

2309
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 5: because I can't sit it in the damn Oh my god.

2310
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: I used to have so many comic books like I boxes.

2311
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:20,400
Speaker 1: And the thing is I wasn't even a collector nerd.

2312
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:22,720
Speaker 1: I was just a nerd who read comic books. So

2313
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't even make money off my habit.

2314
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 1: I was just like I was just fucking books up,

2315
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 1: Like I have to read this for the seventeen times.

2316
01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 1: People are like, you can sell that, that's the first edition.

2317
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just want to read it, so I.

2318
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 5: No, I keep all I'm a collector like my husband

2319
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 5: and Alf, like, you have so much stuff that it

2320
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 5: has no meaning, and I'm like it has meaning to me, right,

2321
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 5: Like like I got the only thing I have up

2322
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:49,000
Speaker 5: that's a comic is I got the the first shot

2323
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 5: Black Panther where they had an alternative cover that was

2324
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,240
Speaker 5: in Oakland. Yeah, so I got that right before we moved.

2325
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 5: So I got a copy for GOM reading copy for me.

2326
01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:58,160
Speaker 5: So that's up on the wall.

2327
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 4: Yeah. We I like, I got.

2328
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 5: So much nerd paraphernalia in this office right now.

2329
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 4: It's a little sad.

2330
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:08,679
Speaker 5: I'm glad you can't actually see all of it because

2331
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 5: it's a little embarrassing.

2332
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 1: Who am I to talk? You see this ship behind me,

2333
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:16,759
Speaker 1: right and all and behind me? Yeah, we some nerds,

2334
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:18,280
Speaker 1: you know. I didn't want to.

2335
01:50:18,240 --> 01:50:20,320
Speaker 5: Do Disney people like all that sort of stuff.

2336
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:23,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like that's the one good thing I guess about

2337
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:25,720
Speaker 1: the pandemic is being stuck at home. We can all

2338
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 1: like finally get caught up on ship.

2339
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 3: You know what.

2340
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:30,439
Speaker 1: He's like Battle Star Galactica.

2341
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, we're trying to figure out we we just did.

2342
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:39,160
Speaker 5: We finished the before we started Supernatural, We did the

2343
01:50:39,200 --> 01:50:42,519
Speaker 5: Star Wars binge. But we did all of it, like

2344
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:43,879
Speaker 5: we did all the TV shows.

2345
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:49,840
Speaker 1: Oh wow, even the bad wait, even the bad TV

2346
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:56,160
Speaker 1: shows like the old even no, oh my god, I'm

2347
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,559
Speaker 1: so sorry. I'm so sorry you had to live through

2348
01:50:59,600 --> 01:50:59,960
Speaker 1: that again.

2349
01:51:01,080 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 5: But I hadn't seen Clone Wars or Rebels before.

2350
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:06,599
Speaker 4: Oh those are good that those are the good ones.

2351
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:08,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like how Now I.

2352
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 5: Look at people that are into Star Wars and I'm like,

2353
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:12,840
Speaker 5: how do you just watch the movies and have any

2354
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 5: context to what's happening?

2355
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:17,639
Speaker 1: The people, and especially the people who hate the Star

2356
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:21,160
Speaker 1: Wars movies. I'm always like, so did you watch because

2357
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:23,519
Speaker 1: like some of this shit is better if you watch Rebels?

2358
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:27,240
Speaker 1: And then like the how did how did the Black

2359
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 1: Savor not blow your fucking mind? You know what I mean?

2360
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 8: Like right, oh yeah, but we're like, oh.

2361
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 5: Like why is everybody freaking out right?

2362
01:51:39,160 --> 01:51:40,720
Speaker 4: I can't I can't talk to you?

2363
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:43,720
Speaker 1: Right? Oh my god. Yeah. It's a lot, man, it's

2364
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 1: a lot.

2365
01:51:44,240 --> 01:51:46,559
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm also there's a big stand up nerd,

2366
01:51:46,720 --> 01:51:49,720
Speaker 5: Like I'm a huge stand up nerd, so like I like,

2367
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:51,920
Speaker 5: I I remember when I was like a kid, my

2368
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:54,439
Speaker 5: mom used to tape soap operas like all night and

2369
01:51:54,520 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 5: every day. I used to tape stand up off of

2370
01:51:56,520 --> 01:52:01,160
Speaker 5: Comedy Central, So I am twenty fifty five apes full

2371
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 5: of comedy. So I still like I watch comedy to

2372
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 5: go to sleep.

2373
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:07,960
Speaker 4: Like that's yeah, I'm a big stand up person.

2374
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 1: Too. I feel like there's so much of it now.

2375
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 1: Like when I was a kid, I feel like it

2376
01:52:12,040 --> 01:52:15,240
Speaker 1: used to be like the HBO special was the like

2377
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:17,120
Speaker 1: the one, you know what I mean that everyone's gonna

2378
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 1: watch like so and so got an HBO special. But

2379
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 1: now it's like everyone has a special.

2380
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 5: Everybody has a special, which I'm and there's still some

2381
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 5: comics that I know from the Bakers and I'm like, why.

2382
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:28,240
Speaker 4: Don't they have a special yet?

2383
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:32,040
Speaker 1: I know, like yes, like are you doing something wrong?

2384
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:34,599
Speaker 1: Or I feel like they're giving them to everyone? Yeah,

2385
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 1: I guess everyone a new agent. Like yeah, like Comedias

2386
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 1: now must really be pissed if they don't have a special,

2387
01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:44,960
Speaker 1: Like these motherfuckers just really don't like me cause this

2388
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:47,559
Speaker 1: person started standing up three weeks ago. They got a special.

2389
01:52:47,720 --> 01:52:49,559
Speaker 1: You know it's too much, right.

2390
01:52:49,439 --> 01:52:51,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like there's there's some kids up on there now that.

2391
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:52,799
Speaker 4: I'm like, who is this person?

2392
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:53,599
Speaker 1: How old are they?

2393
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:54,919
Speaker 4: Like how do they get a special?

2394
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 5: Like my friend's in their forties and they've been doing

2395
01:52:57,120 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 5: this for twenty years and they still don't have a special.

2396
01:52:59,040 --> 01:53:02,400
Speaker 3: Come on, like like like what is really happening here?

2397
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:05,160
Speaker 6: I do have a I guess I guess a question

2398
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 6: and and something that I want to do.

2399
01:53:07,640 --> 01:53:07,720
Speaker 1: Uh.

2400
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:11,559
Speaker 6: I know that you stay out of like the political stuff,

2401
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:13,160
Speaker 6: but I want to play against the race.

2402
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 2: You race like I didn't.

2403
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:19,360
Speaker 6: I didn't know if this was something. But you know

2404
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:21,479
Speaker 6: what you being, you know, missed the leather. You've been like,

2405
01:53:21,680 --> 01:53:22,360
Speaker 6: I can't do that.

2406
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:24,800
Speaker 1: I like how you Oh no, I like how you

2407
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:29,000
Speaker 1: asked anyway, thinking that that it could fuck him up.

2408
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:30,559
Speaker 1: But you was just like, I'm gonna ask because it's

2409
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 1: worth it. I'm asking, you know, I'm just asking, like

2410
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:35,400
Speaker 1: I want to suck the title up that it may

2411
01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:36,719
Speaker 1: be the reason you go down.

2412
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,200
Speaker 4: Technically I'm not in title anymore. I can say I

2413
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:39,720
Speaker 4: want that.

2414
01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:41,840
Speaker 1: Let's play. You know.

2415
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 5: Also also like I like I will say this. People

2416
01:53:46,439 --> 01:53:49,519
Speaker 5: think they know me and I very much have a

2417
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 5: public and private opinion about stuff, but I used to

2418
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:52,720
Speaker 5: do stand up.

2419
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:54,719
Speaker 4: My opinions about shit are actually like.

2420
01:53:57,040 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 5: Sense of humor. I was like, oh, let's play against

2421
01:53:59,400 --> 01:53:59,760
Speaker 5: the race.

2422
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,680
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, you know what we will end on

2423
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:03,840
Speaker 1: a round of guess the race.

2424
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:10,360
Speaker 4: Here we go, sweet dreams come true.

2425
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:15,719
Speaker 1: It's time to the race. It's time to guess the race.

2426
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:22,200
Speaker 1: It's time to race It's time to the race, all right.

2427
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 1: Guess the race is a game where we go all

2428
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:26,920
Speaker 1: around the globe find different articles, and then we have

2429
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:30,920
Speaker 1: our contestants. Guess the race of the people involved. Yes,

2430
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:34,640
Speaker 1: today's contestants is always Karen and the chat Room. But

2431
01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:38,720
Speaker 1: we have a very special contestant today, twenty nineteen International

2432
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:41,960
Speaker 1: mister leather Jack Thompson. Ready to put it all on

2433
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:49,440
Speaker 1: for some racism, all right. A woman tells her friend

2434
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:53,480
Speaker 1: chop it up as a loss after refusing to return

2435
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:54,560
Speaker 1: his vehicle to him.

2436
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:55,880
Speaker 7: Oh go.

2437
01:54:58,480 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 1: Boomed. Seven year old Ashley Moody was charged with theft

2438
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 1: of property after she refused to return her friend's Cadillac

2439
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:09,680
Speaker 1: and blocked his number after he attempted to contact her

2440
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:16,480
Speaker 1: not the cadillac. On October seventeenth, Memphis police arrived to

2441
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:20,200
Speaker 1: the address in response to a theft call. Upon arrival,

2442
01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 1: Derrick Jones reported that his friend Ashley Moody stole his

2443
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 1: two thousand and six Cadillac CTS. He informed the beliice

2444
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:31,400
Speaker 1: that he let her borrow his car on October fifth,

2445
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 1: as she was supposed to returning to him on the ninth.

2446
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:36,320
Speaker 1: He stated that she refused to give him his car

2447
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 1: back and even blocked his number. Then, when he went

2448
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:43,760
Speaker 1: to her house to retrieve the car himself, he said

2449
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,080
Speaker 1: that she threatened him, telling him, I'm not trying to

2450
01:55:46,120 --> 01:55:48,440
Speaker 1: give you your car back. You are going to have

2451
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 1: to chop it up as a loss. What His car

2452
01:55:52,200 --> 01:55:55,400
Speaker 1: was valued at four eight hundred and sixty one dollars.

2453
01:55:56,320 --> 01:56:00,800
Speaker 1: She was identified by him in a photo lineup. Ashley

2454
01:56:01,160 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 1: Moody was arrested November fifteenth and charged with that the property.

2455
01:56:04,520 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 1: She was released on her own recognizance. Guess the race

2456
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:08,280
Speaker 1: of Ashley Moody.

2457
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go that Cadillac was sitting

2458
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:14,920
Speaker 6: on twenty folds black?

2459
01:56:16,240 --> 01:56:17,000
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I.

2460
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 4: Mean part like everything else. You said, I want to

2461
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:20,520
Speaker 4: go black.

2462
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:22,880
Speaker 5: When when you said the quote was you gotta chop

2463
01:56:22,920 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 5: it up as a loss? I was like that that

2464
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 5: sounds like a white person, like chop it up as

2465
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:27,520
Speaker 5: a loss.

2466
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:35,760
Speaker 4: Like that doesn't sound like No. I think I think

2467
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 4: I'm with caring on this. I'm gonna go black.

2468
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:38,800
Speaker 1: All right, We'll check the tack room and see what

2469
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:43,560
Speaker 1: they say. Moody, Memphis Moon Cricket, uh niggas and their caddies.

2470
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:47,280
Speaker 1: Let me hold five dollars black. I'm not trying to

2471
01:56:47,640 --> 01:56:51,960
Speaker 1: that's a jigaboo black. The last one from a professor.

2472
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:54,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, bitch that bitch that what black?

2473
01:56:55,080 --> 01:56:57,160
Speaker 1: That sounded like, let me hold something for you. Black

2474
01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:01,600
Speaker 1: repo man reboot, White niggas love some auto theft play.

2475
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:07,560
Speaker 1: Think it's a little all the stuff plays three sig

2476
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:11,360
Speaker 1: mafia in this black ass Cadillac niggas. This Thanksgiving not

2477
01:57:11,520 --> 01:57:16,680
Speaker 1: Indian giving. Black Chirk chirps at the moonlight. And that

2478
01:57:16,760 --> 01:57:19,520
Speaker 1: does sound like white entitlement though, But that's not a

2479
01:57:19,600 --> 01:57:23,040
Speaker 1: guest here. The correct answer is. And it looks like

2480
01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 1: one hundred percent and you said the same thing, and

2481
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:26,600
Speaker 1: one hundred percent of you are correct.

2482
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:38,320
Speaker 7: She was black, Oh yes she is.

2483
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:43,440
Speaker 1: Oh damn. I hate the victim blame. But she looked

2484
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 1: like it. Again. She has the look of a person

2485
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:49,200
Speaker 1: that doesn't borrow cars. Okay he takes.

2486
01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:52,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, no, she she keeps what she finds.

2487
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:56,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, just keep her situation finders keepers on them cars. Dog,

2488
01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:57,720
Speaker 1: you gave your.

2489
01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:58,600
Speaker 5: Car, look guilty.

2490
01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:02,200
Speaker 4: She's just like, no, you gave it right, right right.

2491
01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:04,160
Speaker 3: She was like, you lost your car like I lost

2492
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:04,600
Speaker 3: my edge.

2493
01:58:04,640 --> 01:58:06,240
Speaker 2: Just ain't They ain't nothing nothing coming back.

2494
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 1: That's why the police. She didn't have any of this,

2495
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:18,960
Speaker 1: that's true. That's why the police let her go because

2496
01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:21,240
Speaker 1: they were just like he should have known. It's just

2497
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:22,960
Speaker 1: no one else is going to do this crime. You're

2498
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:27,600
Speaker 1: not a thread. Yeah, sir, Please don't call us for petty.

2499
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:30,800
Speaker 1: All right? You want to do another one?

2500
01:58:31,320 --> 01:58:31,560
Speaker 5: Yes?

2501
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:36,760
Speaker 1: Right? Illinois Man eighty one uses an antique walking stick

2502
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:40,919
Speaker 1: to beat thieves at eighty one year old former marine.

2503
01:58:41,120 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 1: Oh that's how they get you. That's how they get you.

2504
01:58:43,400 --> 01:58:46,440
Speaker 1: Every time Marines get old to y'all better watch your

2505
01:58:46,440 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 1: backfucking with these old people.

2506
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:50,600
Speaker 6: What if you don't know what they did back in

2507
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 6: the day, let's still take you out too. You'd be like,

2508
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:56,400
Speaker 6: I did not know I was going to get throat

2509
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:58,680
Speaker 6: chopped and my knee broke with a cane, Like I

2510
01:58:58,720 --> 01:58:59,600
Speaker 6: ain't see that coming.

2511
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:03,160
Speaker 1: He's like, this reminds me of when I had to

2512
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:06,840
Speaker 1: kill three Jerrys with a submachine gun and they had

2513
01:59:06,880 --> 01:59:08,400
Speaker 1: me surrounded and I had to eat through one of

2514
01:59:08,480 --> 01:59:10,440
Speaker 1: them neck to get out of the pit. And you're

2515
01:59:10,440 --> 01:59:12,560
Speaker 1: just like fucked up, and you're like, damn this old

2516
01:59:12,600 --> 01:59:15,080
Speaker 1: man strong, I was ready. Well he was.

2517
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:16,560
Speaker 4: Free or not coming from my pension?

2518
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:22,080
Speaker 1: No, he was from suburban Chicago. He used his grandfather's

2519
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:26,200
Speaker 1: antique Irish walking stick to chase off three burglars and

2520
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:29,080
Speaker 1: deliver one a thump in the head for his trouble. Oh,

2521
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 1: not a thump three burglars. Dan and Barbara Donovan told

2522
01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:35,640
Speaker 1: the Pioneer Press newspaper group that a man in a

2523
01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:40,000
Speaker 1: reflective vest and mask knocked on their door on November fourth.

2524
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:42,480
Speaker 1: He said he was a utility worker who needed to

2525
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:44,880
Speaker 1: check their fuse box due to a recent fire in

2526
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:48,040
Speaker 1: the area. Barbara Donovan said while they were in the

2527
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:50,400
Speaker 1: basement with the man, he was looking at their electric

2528
01:59:50,440 --> 01:59:54,320
Speaker 1: circuit panet panel and she heard squeaking floorboards upstairs and

2529
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:59,560
Speaker 1: realized something wasn't right. She bounded up the steps bounded wow,

2530
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:03,160
Speaker 1: followed by her husband and the so called utility worker.

2531
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:06,280
Speaker 1: When the couple reached the main floor, they found two

2532
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:11,160
Speaker 1: other men inside, one holding a pillowcase from their bedroom. Oh,

2533
02:00:11,240 --> 02:00:13,080
Speaker 1: probably to fill it with stuff.

2534
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:17,400
Speaker 4: Just sounds like a cartoon, doesn't it, uh.

2535
02:00:18,680 --> 02:00:21,560
Speaker 1: Dan Donovan began trying to chase the three men from

2536
02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:24,320
Speaker 1: the house, and that's when he grabbed his grandfather's She

2537
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:29,960
Speaker 1: lay lug, I guess which is okay, was an antique

2538
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,440
Speaker 1: Irish walking stick, which was propped up in the corner

2539
02:00:32,440 --> 02:00:36,480
Speaker 1: of the couple's uh dining room. I was trying to

2540
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:39,200
Speaker 1: find some type of persuasive weapon, he said.

2541
02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:43,000
Speaker 3: I like, that.

2542
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:46,120
Speaker 4: Isn't any weapon persuasive.

2543
02:00:48,440 --> 02:00:50,000
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of shit that's not

2544
02:00:50,040 --> 02:00:52,040
Speaker 1: persuasive until you wield it as a weapon.

2545
02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:55,880
Speaker 5: I mean, hell, a computer mouse gonna be a weapon

2546
02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 5: if you wield it right.

2547
02:00:56,720 --> 02:01:02,600
Speaker 1: Right like that was hair like that, it was a stapler.

2548
02:01:02,840 --> 02:01:07,600
Speaker 1: Now it's a persuasive stapler, okay. So I picked up

2549
02:01:07,640 --> 02:01:11,640
Speaker 1: the Irish shalala and that's that turned out to be

2550
02:01:11,680 --> 02:01:14,320
Speaker 1: the equalizer because I managed to chase him out the house.

2551
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:16,800
Speaker 1: He struck the man, the man with the pillowcase, in

2552
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:18,680
Speaker 1: the back of the head with the stick the man

2553
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:21,960
Speaker 1: held onto the pillowcase as he followed his two cohorts outside,

2554
02:01:22,240 --> 02:01:26,200
Speaker 1: But Donovan, who was barefoot, followed, Oh shit, they don't

2555
02:01:26,200 --> 02:01:27,200
Speaker 1: make him like this no more.

2556
02:01:29,600 --> 02:01:33,280
Speaker 3: You don't tell people you don't know who you messed with.

2557
02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:33,960
Speaker 3: That's about like that.

2558
02:01:34,160 --> 02:01:34,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

2559
02:01:34,720 --> 02:01:37,080
Speaker 6: I think somebody tried to break into She was black,

2560
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:38,520
Speaker 6: a black old woman's house.

2561
02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:40,520
Speaker 3: And she will have been fitting had been.

2562
02:01:42,120 --> 02:01:45,000
Speaker 1: She was a professional body though, Yeah, she was a professional.

2563
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:46,840
Speaker 3: She gave him.

2564
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:50,360
Speaker 1: Yep, he sucked with a powerlifter, and that woman said,

2565
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:52,120
Speaker 1: not today, not today.

2566
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:54,680
Speaker 4: You don't like trunks?

2567
02:01:54,720 --> 02:02:02,000
Speaker 1: Run right. It's like, oh, I was, go ahead.

2568
02:02:02,600 --> 02:02:05,320
Speaker 5: I mean I'm getting some like some fifth element vibes

2569
02:02:05,360 --> 02:02:08,560
Speaker 5: from that like reflective thing in the like looking out

2570
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:10,879
Speaker 5: the little peep hole and you're like seeing some reflective

2571
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:13,360
Speaker 5: stuff like that. That guy with the picture in the

2572
02:02:13,360 --> 02:02:15,400
Speaker 5: fifth Element that had to break into his apartment.

2573
02:02:15,600 --> 02:02:18,760
Speaker 1: Yes, you just don't know.

2574
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:19,000
Speaker 3: Man.

2575
02:02:19,160 --> 02:02:21,640
Speaker 1: Some people just wait, They just hope today's the day.

2576
02:02:21,960 --> 02:02:24,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was like, oh, I've always wanted to use

2577
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:29,320
Speaker 6: this train.

2578
02:02:32,120 --> 02:02:38,720
Speaker 1: Yes, So then Donovan chased him outside barefoot. He hit

2579
02:02:38,760 --> 02:02:41,720
Speaker 1: the man outside the head and then delivered blows to

2580
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:44,840
Speaker 1: the windshield and rear window of the men's suv with

2581
02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:45,320
Speaker 1: the stick.

2582
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:52,160
Speaker 3: Oh my, that me with the wrong one.

2583
02:02:52,280 --> 02:02:54,960
Speaker 1: You messed with somebody that got stone feet that don't

2584
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:55,720
Speaker 1: been in the wall.

2585
02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:57,320
Speaker 2: He was the wrong one, y'all.

2586
02:02:58,560 --> 02:03:01,440
Speaker 1: He said, lived through that, live through this, right, you know,

2587
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:05,480
Speaker 1: I've been through the Great Depression, the same shit. Hopefully

2588
02:03:05,480 --> 02:03:07,760
Speaker 1: they got nothing more than a headache, and hopefully they

2589
02:03:07,800 --> 02:03:12,200
Speaker 1: pursue another occupation. He said, this motherfucker giving out life lessons.

2590
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:15,120
Speaker 1: He didn't even want. They asked to kill them, he said,

2591
02:03:15,600 --> 02:03:18,440
Speaker 1: hopefully they will think about that ship and take up

2592
02:03:18,440 --> 02:03:21,560
Speaker 1: a real job. Okay, don't get a job. Don't beat

2593
02:03:21,560 --> 02:03:25,640
Speaker 1: somebody right upside your head. All right, Well, guess the

2594
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:30,400
Speaker 1: race of this marine Dan Donovan White? All right?

2595
02:03:30,600 --> 02:03:30,960
Speaker 5: White?

2596
02:03:31,400 --> 02:03:32,240
Speaker 1: All right, let's take it.

2597
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:35,480
Speaker 4: You start talking about in the house. I'm like, he's.

2598
02:03:35,720 --> 02:03:37,880
Speaker 2: Impossible, old white man white, all.

2599
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:42,960
Speaker 1: Right, all right, all side and boiled potatoes. White. I'll

2600
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:46,440
Speaker 1: probably pronounced that wrong. This was a hurrah, retired ass

2601
02:03:46,440 --> 02:03:51,440
Speaker 1: white man struck oi all from the stranger. Yes, he

2602
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:57,200
Speaker 1: that dude was fucking people up, grabbed his niggastick to

2603
02:03:57,240 --> 02:04:03,520
Speaker 1: beat off the darky's white. Okay me me any given day. White.

2604
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:07,280
Speaker 1: Never dropped this drink wirish White. He got that old

2605
02:04:07,320 --> 02:04:11,880
Speaker 1: man strength white, uh Greek younger loving white and giving

2606
02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:15,840
Speaker 1: life lessons advice White. The correct answer is everyone said white,

2607
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:27,040
Speaker 1: and everyone you gotta correct.

2608
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, they messed with the wrong one.

2609
02:04:32,720 --> 02:04:34,800
Speaker 1: It was like he's like named that stick.

2610
02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:37,760
Speaker 4: You know what, mom, Oh, that definitely has a name.

2611
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like he's been passed down.

2612
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:43,000
Speaker 5: To my family for generations and it is teaching enough people.

2613
02:04:43,800 --> 02:04:45,480
Speaker 5: This Jeff was from nineteen eight.

2614
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:48,720
Speaker 2: Come on that that man several posts.

2615
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:50,240
Speaker 3: His body got metal in it.

2616
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:52,680
Speaker 2: He gonna fuck you up. He's knee been replaced.

2617
02:04:52,760 --> 02:04:54,520
Speaker 3: Oh you messed. They messed with the wrong one.

2618
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,600
Speaker 4: Yep, he's just like he's half bionic at this point.

2619
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:01,400
Speaker 1: Hand me old callahan. These motherfuckers trying and break in

2620
02:05:01,480 --> 02:05:05,040
Speaker 1: my house. Uh, they have mass song?

2621
02:05:05,120 --> 02:05:07,640
Speaker 2: Why do you have to marry?

2622
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:10,520
Speaker 1: All right, we can do one more. Let's go to

2623
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:12,680
Speaker 1: the bonus round. All right, y'all are two for two.

2624
02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:16,480
Speaker 1: Let's see how y'all doing the bonus round. What's my

2625
02:05:16,520 --> 02:05:27,480
Speaker 1: bonus round? Music? It's time to the race. It's time,

2626
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:36,640
Speaker 1: It's time, It's time. All right, bonus round of guess

2627
02:05:36,640 --> 02:05:41,280
Speaker 1: the race. So far it's tied up, neck and neck.

2628
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:44,200
Speaker 1: Two for two. Okay, let's see how we're doing the

2629
02:05:44,200 --> 02:05:44,840
Speaker 1: bonus round.

2630
02:05:44,840 --> 02:05:45,040
Speaker 5: Though.

2631
02:05:46,560 --> 02:05:50,640
Speaker 1: A naked woman busted again for loud activity again for

2632
02:05:51,120 --> 02:05:54,919
Speaker 1: this for the second time in recent weeks, of Florida

2633
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:58,120
Speaker 1: woman Oh Florida, Oh Florida.

2634
02:05:58,080 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 5: Florida has been arrested for West Florida after the throw.

2635
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:06,880
Speaker 1: Being like, Oh Florida and Harmony has been arrested for

2636
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:10,480
Speaker 1: pleasuring herself in public, this time outside of a Pope's

2637
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:11,280
Speaker 1: at ten am.

2638
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:13,840
Speaker 3: Oh Popeyes even open.

2639
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:17,280
Speaker 1: I don't think Pope's. They may just open at pop

2640
02:06:17,400 --> 02:06:20,320
Speaker 1: at ten am, okay, because they some places they don't

2641
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:23,960
Speaker 1: even do breakfast. Just depends on where you're at. Vanessa

2642
02:06:24,040 --> 02:06:27,720
Speaker 1: Lee Jones, thirty eight, was collared Saturday morning after a

2643
02:06:27,720 --> 02:06:31,240
Speaker 1: witness reporter spotting her masturbating there a dumpster outside the

2644
02:06:31,320 --> 02:06:35,040
Speaker 1: chicken joint. She was fully nude at the time.

2645
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:37,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean.

2646
02:06:38,920 --> 02:06:41,520
Speaker 1: That that sandwich was good though, I mean.

2647
02:06:43,200 --> 02:06:44,800
Speaker 2: That sounds was masturbating good.

2648
02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:49,400
Speaker 5: You enjoy that sandwich that much though? Yeah, that's relationship

2649
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:50,640
Speaker 5: with your food that I'm used to.

2650
02:06:51,040 --> 02:06:52,600
Speaker 4: And I know some people that are into that, but

2651
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:54,880
Speaker 4: they usually do it at home.

2652
02:06:55,720 --> 02:06:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get.

2653
02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:59,080
Speaker 3: I guess when she finger licking, I mean she took it.

2654
02:06:59,120 --> 02:06:59,720
Speaker 7: To the whole.

2655
02:06:59,600 --> 02:07:02,840
Speaker 3: Now, apparently she.

2656
02:07:02,840 --> 02:07:05,920
Speaker 1: Wanted to give it some of that cage sparkle something

2657
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:10,520
Speaker 1: else who level. When police responded to the scene, officers

2658
02:07:10,560 --> 02:07:12,640
Speaker 1: also witness to defend it masturbating in front of the

2659
02:07:12,720 --> 02:07:17,840
Speaker 1: dumpster completely naked. Jones uh invested that it was observed

2660
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:21,680
Speaker 1: on security cameras masturbating while fully naked secure the cameras

2661
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:25,440
Speaker 1: she was arrested for. She was arrested for exposure of

2662
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:35,080
Speaker 1: sexual organs a miss. That's that's very specific, exclosure of sexual.

2663
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:37,360
Speaker 2: Organs, not any organs, the sexual.

2664
02:07:37,160 --> 02:07:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I guess in Florida they're like, listen, some

2665
02:07:40,240 --> 02:07:42,240
Speaker 1: of this shit ain't even against a lot, So we

2666
02:07:42,280 --> 02:07:45,320
Speaker 1: got to be specific, like, yeah, we've seen organs before,

2667
02:07:45,400 --> 02:07:47,200
Speaker 1: but we want you to know these are a sexual

2668
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:49,280
Speaker 1: That's why happened. The first time they took somebody to

2669
02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:52,800
Speaker 1: the court for indecent exposure, the person was just arguing, like,

2670
02:07:53,160 --> 02:07:55,800
Speaker 1: how do you even know it was indecent? I thought

2671
02:07:55,800 --> 02:08:00,080
Speaker 1: it was very decent and down what kind of exposure

2672
02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:03,240
Speaker 1: my legs? I mean, I can't expose my legs no more.

2673
02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:04,200
Speaker 1: They're like, you know, it was.

2674
02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:07,360
Speaker 5: Nicely trimmed, so it was obviously okay to have out

2675
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:07,839
Speaker 5: in public.

2676
02:08:07,880 --> 02:08:11,080
Speaker 3: Come on, that was like, I even have my name

2677
02:08:11,120 --> 02:08:12,640
Speaker 3: wrote in it. What are we talking about here?

2678
02:08:12,720 --> 02:08:15,560
Speaker 1: The judge had to dismiss the case and like, Joe,

2679
02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:17,600
Speaker 1: you know we're talking about your dick. You were jacking

2680
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:20,120
Speaker 1: your dick off in front of everybody, are you sure?

2681
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean could have been my feet. These charges are

2682
02:08:24,040 --> 02:08:26,160
Speaker 1: very nebulous.

2683
02:08:26,200 --> 02:08:28,280
Speaker 4: Be more, what you're using that grease for? It is

2684
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:31,240
Speaker 4: my thing? Like you run out like.

2685
02:08:31,480 --> 02:08:35,560
Speaker 1: You know honestly, speaking of kink, went in doubt speaking

2686
02:08:35,600 --> 02:08:39,680
Speaker 1: of kink. Okay, Popeye's chicken grease loub might be I

2687
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:40,120
Speaker 1: might be.

2688
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:44,080
Speaker 6: Into that scene in the dungeon somewhere.

2689
02:08:44,920 --> 02:08:47,840
Speaker 1: It might be my thing. I don't know. Don't knock

2690
02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:50,440
Speaker 1: get till you tried. Okay, combined too of my favorite things.

2691
02:08:50,520 --> 02:08:52,800
Speaker 6: Yes, if pop I was smart, they would sell candles

2692
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:53,880
Speaker 6: that smell like they chicken.

2693
02:08:54,200 --> 02:08:57,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean edible lou Yeah.

2694
02:08:57,720 --> 02:09:01,800
Speaker 1: The next level if we're talking about chicken edible loop. Okay,

2695
02:09:02,120 --> 02:09:04,360
Speaker 1: I think we just had over a million dollar come.

2696
02:09:06,200 --> 02:09:08,160
Speaker 4: Log is sold for the holidays. You can sell some.

2697
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:11,760
Speaker 1: KFC loube come on, imagine and then my thing is

2698
02:09:11,960 --> 02:09:14,040
Speaker 1: imagine the commercial is still the same though it's still

2699
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:18,600
Speaker 1: Annie from Popeye's. Yes, I've just made a whole batch

2700
02:09:18,640 --> 02:09:24,640
Speaker 1: of hot chicken lube extra spices, love that chicken for Popeyes. Yeah.

2701
02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:33,200
Speaker 1: So then yeah, they noticed that she showed no indications

2702
02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:37,120
Speaker 1: of drug or alcohol influence what and no indication of

2703
02:09:37,160 --> 02:09:38,160
Speaker 1: mental health issues.

2704
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:42,840
Speaker 3: Oh, so she was really turned on by the chicken.

2705
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:45,760
Speaker 3: She was like, ooh, this chicken, Ooh.

2706
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:48,680
Speaker 2: This chicken make me want to take my clothes off.

2707
02:09:48,760 --> 02:09:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, it might just be your thing. She

2708
02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:56,360
Speaker 1: is ultimately alternately listed as homeless and a resident of

2709
02:09:56,360 --> 02:09:59,000
Speaker 1: a rental property. I guess at the same time.

2710
02:10:00,360 --> 02:10:05,000
Speaker 4: How wait, yep, that's okay.

2711
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:08,360
Speaker 1: That's some very Florida shit. That's some very Florida You

2712
02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:11,160
Speaker 1: have a home and you homeless at the same time.

2713
02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:15,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, And there's nothing wrong with people that chicken turn

2714
02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:17,440
Speaker 6: them on, because now you know, I understand that. But

2715
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:20,200
Speaker 6: my thing is, does chicken make you want strip in public?

2716
02:10:20,280 --> 02:10:22,440
Speaker 6: That's the thing, the privacy of you on home you

2717
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:23,000
Speaker 6: can strip.

2718
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:26,000
Speaker 1: You know what, if you tell me there's a fifteen

2719
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:28,600
Speaker 1: minute wait onf Spicy, then I think those fifteen minutes

2720
02:10:28,640 --> 02:10:32,520
Speaker 1: off for me to do whatever I want. Okay, your time,

2721
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:36,880
Speaker 1: keep the Spicy ready like they do it all the

2722
02:10:36,920 --> 02:10:37,600
Speaker 1: other restaurants.

2723
02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:40,920
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, the more clothes you take off,

2724
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:42,520
Speaker 6: does it make the size taste better?

2725
02:10:42,560 --> 02:10:43,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2726
02:10:43,400 --> 02:10:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2727
02:10:43,960 --> 02:10:46,080
Speaker 5: I mean, as a sex educator, I will say this,

2728
02:10:46,680 --> 02:10:48,880
Speaker 5: No one can tell you that chicken can't turn you on.

2729
02:10:49,080 --> 02:10:52,560
Speaker 4: Come on, that is for you and you alone to decide.

2730
02:10:52,680 --> 02:10:54,640
Speaker 4: I know I've seen that that is too dirty.

2731
02:10:54,720 --> 02:10:57,360
Speaker 1: I think we've all seen a sexy ass two piece before.

2732
02:10:57,680 --> 02:11:00,480
Speaker 1: Come one and once or twice an hour like come

2733
02:11:00,520 --> 02:11:05,640
Speaker 1: on now, come on now touching my husband from now on? Yeah,

2734
02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:09,120
Speaker 1: two bees, listen.

2735
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:12,480
Speaker 2: She gave a dirty bird a whole new meaning.

2736
02:11:20,120 --> 02:11:23,800
Speaker 1: Jones was arrested on September thirtieth and after allegedly exposing

2737
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:25,919
Speaker 1: herself and masturbating in front of a seven eleven.

2738
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:28,680
Speaker 5: Eh, this is the thing.

2739
02:11:29,320 --> 02:11:31,640
Speaker 3: Also also was the slushiest this time?

2740
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, slaveries, you're slivery, yes, yes, yes, I.

2741
02:11:37,800 --> 02:11:39,280
Speaker 3: Wonder what her favorite flavory is.

2742
02:11:39,320 --> 02:11:42,920
Speaker 1: Apparently, how come this ship never happens to me? You know,

2743
02:11:44,160 --> 02:11:45,640
Speaker 1: like I don't like I don't want to like touch

2744
02:11:45,640 --> 02:11:47,640
Speaker 1: anybody and bend them. But just like if someone just

2745
02:11:47,680 --> 02:11:51,080
Speaker 1: like look at I'll be like, thank you. I appreciate it.

2746
02:11:51,200 --> 02:11:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna call the police.

2747
02:11:52,360 --> 02:11:53,120
Speaker 4: I appreciate that.

2748
02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:56,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like having about day. Thank you the titty

2749
02:11:56,360 --> 02:11:59,680
Speaker 1: fairy showed up. It's just like thank you. I was

2750
02:11:59,720 --> 02:12:02,400
Speaker 1: just had to get some some nihilators and some gas

2751
02:12:02,520 --> 02:12:08,840
Speaker 1: and uh you know what, man, carry on, Man, carry on.

2752
02:12:08,920 --> 02:12:09,800
Speaker 1: I just came to.

2753
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:12,360
Speaker 6: Get twenty on pump number five. I didn't know that

2754
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:13,360
Speaker 6: tittis we was gonna show up.

2755
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:15,520
Speaker 1: I really would not call the police, like I would

2756
02:12:15,560 --> 02:12:16,080
Speaker 1: just know.

2757
02:12:17,160 --> 02:12:18,680
Speaker 4: I called my public service.

2758
02:12:18,440 --> 02:12:20,480
Speaker 1: Right, I wouldn't call the police. I called my friends, like, hey, man,

2759
02:12:20,520 --> 02:12:22,280
Speaker 1: you should get down to seven eleven. Man, they got

2760
02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:25,640
Speaker 1: titties out here.

2761
02:12:25,640 --> 02:12:26,960
Speaker 4: Our friends are already at the Popeyes.

2762
02:12:26,960 --> 02:12:29,520
Speaker 1: So that's not yeah, yeah, they're down there. I don't

2763
02:12:29,560 --> 02:12:32,200
Speaker 1: have to say nothing about pop Eyes. But yeah. So

2764
02:12:32,640 --> 02:12:36,240
Speaker 1: she was charged with losing, looting, lascivious exhibitions, and she

2765
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:40,560
Speaker 1: allegedly continuously rubbed over giant giina oh in view of

2766
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:43,680
Speaker 1: a miner who was a company by male relative, so

2767
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:46,760
Speaker 1: he had to call they had walked in. They was like, no, yeah,

2768
02:12:46,760 --> 02:12:48,440
Speaker 1: I definitely do it. If I was with like my

2769
02:12:48,520 --> 02:12:52,280
Speaker 1: niece and nephews. I called I gotta many responsible one, Yeah,

2770
02:12:52,320 --> 02:12:55,000
Speaker 1: come on many? Just me is different now. Now I

2771
02:12:55,000 --> 02:12:58,680
Speaker 1: got to act like an adult man putting that minors sixteen.

2772
02:12:58,920 --> 02:13:00,840
Speaker 4: Yes, that is like thank you, titty Ferry.

2773
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:04,080
Speaker 1: Right, yeah. True. There's that that awkward age where you're like, uh,

2774
02:13:04,280 --> 02:13:06,000
Speaker 1: don't look at this I know you want to, but

2775
02:13:06,040 --> 02:13:06,760
Speaker 1: don't look at this.

2776
02:13:07,240 --> 02:13:09,280
Speaker 3: I know my Jules is gonna have like that part

2777
02:13:09,320 --> 02:13:09,560
Speaker 3: and the thing.

2778
02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:11,920
Speaker 4: Look at it, right, don't look at it.

2779
02:13:12,240 --> 02:13:14,880
Speaker 1: I know I didn't just see they do my phone right. Actually,

2780
02:13:14,920 --> 02:13:17,520
Speaker 1: if it's a minor, if it's a minor company by

2781
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:20,920
Speaker 1: an adult, it's probably awkward. Like when you watch like

2782
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:23,000
Speaker 1: a movie that has a sex scene with your parents,

2783
02:13:23,000 --> 02:13:25,360
Speaker 1: it's probably not even ideal for them. It's like, I

2784
02:13:25,400 --> 02:13:26,800
Speaker 1: don't want to be seeing titties with you.

2785
02:13:27,920 --> 02:13:30,800
Speaker 5: Nobody wants to be in this situation right now, let's

2786
02:13:30,800 --> 02:13:33,680
Speaker 5: both agree to never talk about this for everybody.

2787
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:35,600
Speaker 1: It's like the first time I saw a basic instink

2788
02:13:35,640 --> 02:13:37,600
Speaker 1: and then I was just like, okay, parents, I'm gonna

2789
02:13:37,640 --> 02:13:40,080
Speaker 1: go to my room. This is uh, we just we

2790
02:13:40,080 --> 02:13:41,120
Speaker 1: will never talk about this.

2791
02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:43,360
Speaker 5: I watched an episode of Buffy with my little sister

2792
02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:45,600
Speaker 5: when it first aired. It was the episode where Spike

2793
02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:47,920
Speaker 5: and Buffy or like fucking in that house that's oh

2794
02:13:48,080 --> 02:13:50,760
Speaker 5: man on that wall. My little sister just watching it

2795
02:13:50,760 --> 02:13:52,600
Speaker 5: with her mouth open. I'm just trying to cover her eye.

2796
02:13:52,640 --> 02:13:57,840
Speaker 1: Right, No, right, no, this isn't hot. Don't you look

2797
02:13:57,880 --> 02:13:58,840
Speaker 1: at seven years old?

2798
02:13:58,920 --> 02:14:01,000
Speaker 4: We are not to cover your ears.

2799
02:14:01,120 --> 02:14:01,920
Speaker 1: I'll cover your eyes.

2800
02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:02,920
Speaker 2: And this is not normal.

2801
02:14:03,040 --> 02:14:05,960
Speaker 1: Just so you know, homes don't fall apart, right we

2802
02:14:06,200 --> 02:14:06,840
Speaker 1: hoped they don't.

2803
02:14:06,840 --> 02:14:08,760
Speaker 3: If they do, you don't need to be in.

2804
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:16,400
Speaker 1: The house. They had some dangerous supernatural sex. Okay, they

2805
02:14:16,520 --> 02:14:17,600
Speaker 1: was fucking each other up.

2806
02:14:17,720 --> 02:14:17,920
Speaker 3: Man.

2807
02:14:18,120 --> 02:14:19,880
Speaker 1: I remember I finished that show like a couple of

2808
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:22,000
Speaker 1: years back. I was like, God, damn, this was on TV.

2809
02:14:22,720 --> 02:14:23,240
Speaker 1: Was watching this?

2810
02:14:23,640 --> 02:14:27,280
Speaker 5: Oh, everybody embarrassing as ship. I had to cover up

2811
02:14:27,320 --> 02:14:29,400
Speaker 5: be like no, mom, I don't what do you mean?

2812
02:14:30,160 --> 02:14:33,120
Speaker 5: This is a very wholesome show about vampire y.

2813
02:14:33,200 --> 02:14:35,040
Speaker 1: It was funny because everyone was like, you should watch

2814
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:37,120
Speaker 1: the show because I had never watched it before. And

2815
02:14:37,160 --> 02:14:39,240
Speaker 1: then when I was watching, I was like, wait, y'all,

2816
02:14:39,240 --> 02:14:40,760
Speaker 1: watch this is kids stuff?

2817
02:14:40,880 --> 02:14:41,040
Speaker 5: Right?

2818
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:44,400
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, all right, no, I see what y'all. I'll

2819
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:45,680
Speaker 1: see it makes a lot more sense.

2820
02:14:45,760 --> 02:14:49,120
Speaker 5: My friends now child who were we had an animaniacs.

2821
02:14:49,160 --> 02:14:50,160
Speaker 2: That ship was Norue.

2822
02:14:50,520 --> 02:14:53,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, like we made a lot of all that stuff.

2823
02:14:53,240 --> 02:14:55,040
Speaker 5: Like we can't even talk about Buffy.

2824
02:14:55,120 --> 02:14:57,120
Speaker 4: Buffy was at least like tasteful.

2825
02:14:58,160 --> 02:15:00,640
Speaker 6: It wasn't until I was an adult until I understand

2826
02:15:01,480 --> 02:15:03,160
Speaker 6: the what they were talking about.

2827
02:15:03,320 --> 02:15:04,360
Speaker 3: The kid I was like Oh that's funny.

2828
02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:07,480
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that was not It's back now,

2829
02:15:07,560 --> 02:15:09,320
Speaker 1: by the way, and the Maniacs is back on Hulu

2830
02:15:10,200 --> 02:15:16,960
Speaker 1: watching it. It's just a cynical it's amazing. Yeah, all right,

2831
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:20,920
Speaker 1: so she got her wrap. Shoot also includes convictions for theft,

2832
02:15:21,280 --> 02:15:26,080
Speaker 1: possession of drug equipment, trespassing, and possession of synthetic marijuana.

2833
02:15:26,640 --> 02:15:30,720
Speaker 1: All right, So I guess the race of Vanessa Lee

2834
02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:37,720
Speaker 1: Jones no relation to Tommy Lee Jones. I'm going black,

2835
02:15:38,640 --> 02:15:39,200
Speaker 1: going black?

2836
02:15:39,680 --> 02:15:39,840
Speaker 5: Right?

2837
02:15:40,200 --> 02:15:42,160
Speaker 1: Actually, maybe some relation. I don't know who knows.

2838
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:46,320
Speaker 4: Uh, I'm gonna go white, all right.

2839
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:48,840
Speaker 1: So we have a split on this one. Let's see

2840
02:15:48,880 --> 02:15:53,560
Speaker 1: what the chat room believes. Oh, Vanessa couldn't wait for

2841
02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:56,960
Speaker 1: her chicken to be come to wait to be come up,

2842
02:15:57,080 --> 02:16:02,680
Speaker 1: so she decided to pop Eye herself. I'm black, all right? No, okay,

2843
02:16:03,640 --> 02:16:05,200
Speaker 1: you stretched that one, but I'll see where you're going.

2844
02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:10,040
Speaker 1: She needed a two piece with no side of best salts.

2845
02:16:10,280 --> 02:16:13,680
Speaker 1: White three names equals white. Who but a white woman

2846
02:16:13,720 --> 02:16:16,240
Speaker 1: would be turned on by fog horn leg horn No,

2847
02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:23,800
Speaker 1: I say no, I say now, hanging out at Popeye's

2848
02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:28,320
Speaker 1: and get that BBC white. She didn't have to lay

2849
02:16:28,400 --> 02:16:31,480
Speaker 1: her no hands on anybody to get that sandwich. So

2850
02:16:31,640 --> 02:16:35,400
Speaker 1: she laid them on herself. Black, white, white, three names

2851
02:16:35,440 --> 02:16:37,760
Speaker 1: and a fake weed. All the guys in the trailer

2852
02:16:37,840 --> 02:16:42,200
Speaker 1: park love her white, my neck, my back black. That

2853
02:16:44,480 --> 02:16:47,920
Speaker 1: lean make it white. But Popesi was black. I'm going black.

2854
02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:49,680
Speaker 1: But a correct answer is and we do have a

2855
02:16:49,720 --> 02:16:54,000
Speaker 1: split here, the correct answer is white.

2856
02:17:00,400 --> 02:17:04,440
Speaker 3: Huh if you just said KFC out of be like white.

2857
02:17:04,560 --> 02:17:06,840
Speaker 1: Yes, Jack gets doing dreams coming true.

2858
02:17:06,879 --> 02:17:09,040
Speaker 5: I've dreamed about playing Guess the Race with y'all for

2859
02:17:09,160 --> 02:17:09,800
Speaker 5: so many years.

2860
02:17:09,879 --> 02:17:13,400
Speaker 4: Now this is a proud moment. This is my problem,

2861
02:17:15,080 --> 02:17:16,039
Speaker 4: and we have to throw.

2862
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:33,199
Speaker 1: Karen in the uh she's she's oh, oh yeah, baby,

2863
02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:36,480
Speaker 1: oh no, yeah, it was not good.

2864
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:40,120
Speaker 5: That face is the face of the noise, like that

2865
02:17:40,320 --> 02:17:42,800
Speaker 5: is Yeah, that's like the face you make.

2866
02:17:42,920 --> 02:17:44,440
Speaker 1: That's the face you make when they go you know,

2867
02:17:44,520 --> 02:17:47,360
Speaker 1: there are security cameras out there, right, And he's like,

2868
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:49,360
Speaker 1: fuck mm hmm.

2869
02:17:50,560 --> 02:17:51,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it anyway.

2870
02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:54,640
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be it. So I'm gonna be So

2871
02:17:54,720 --> 02:17:56,280
Speaker 1: what you're telling me, officer, is I'm gonna be on

2872
02:17:56,320 --> 02:17:59,400
Speaker 1: the news. Yes, You're gonna be on the news. Okay, okay,

2873
02:17:59,520 --> 02:17:59,880
Speaker 1: all right.

2874
02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:02,000
Speaker 2: She on the ground because the hell looked like she

2875
02:18:02,120 --> 02:18:03,080
Speaker 2: rubbed it in the ground.

2876
02:18:04,200 --> 02:18:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, when you're jerking off by a uh

2877
02:18:08,840 --> 02:18:11,240
Speaker 1: were you jerking off by a dumpster? Caren, I'm gonna

2878
02:18:11,320 --> 02:18:13,600
Speaker 1: just go with you might not be living the cleanest.

2879
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:18,560
Speaker 5: You can only do that wall set for for so

2880
02:18:18,760 --> 02:18:20,879
Speaker 5: long when you're taking off with chicken stuff.

2881
02:18:20,680 --> 02:18:23,280
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you got to be on the ground, Pope eyes.

2882
02:18:23,320 --> 02:18:26,920
Speaker 1: Dumpster is exactly known to be the most like, yeah,

2883
02:18:27,240 --> 02:18:30,879
Speaker 1: the neatest place. You know you don't like it, then

2884
02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, Jack, Pope Eyes. All right, that's it, Jack,

2885
02:18:35,280 --> 02:18:37,680
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being time.

2886
02:18:38,680 --> 02:18:40,440
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me all this was,

2887
02:18:40,560 --> 02:18:42,400
Speaker 5: this was a dream like y'all have been in my

2888
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:44,360
Speaker 5: ear for so many years.

2889
02:18:44,720 --> 02:18:45,440
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

2890
02:18:45,480 --> 02:18:49,680
Speaker 1: On really anytime, and say I love to Jeff, and

2891
02:18:49,879 --> 02:18:52,920
Speaker 1: of course thanks everyone else for listening. We'll be back tomorrow.

2892
02:18:53,480 --> 02:18:56,360
Speaker 1: We'll have comedian Brandy Brown on. I think we started

2893
02:18:56,360 --> 02:18:59,480
Speaker 1: at five tomorrow, so we'll see y'all then. Until then,

2894
02:18:59,560 --> 02:19:00,840
Speaker 1: I love you, llow you too, Noir