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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 3: Everybody? Welcome and move the sticks DJ Bucky back together.

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Speaker 2: Buck. How you doing, man, Man, I'm great. It's been

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Speaker 2: a great weekend.

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Speaker 4: I mean DJ like it is coming fast, Like football

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Speaker 4: at the high school, we have another week of workouts.

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Speaker 4: Didn't get a week off. Then it's two weeks and

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Speaker 2: Period in June. But man, it doesn't seem.

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Speaker 4: it's on three weeks before we start doing stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I looked as we're recording this, I think I

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Speaker 3: the You know, I was good this time. Normally I

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Speaker 3: ahead and start watching guys for next year. This year,

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Speaker 3: I forced myself, Buck to shut it.

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Speaker 2: No, you didn't know. You didn't force yourself.

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Speaker 4: You decided that you want to be Brooks Koepka and

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Speaker 4: so go his go off has replaced the film study time,

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Speaker 4: and so it's gonna be interesting to see how you

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Speaker 4: doing that. I can't wait to hear you tell me

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Speaker 4: how you're putting while watching tape upon your big screen

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, yeah, because because Belichick Belichick is on the treadmill.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it'll I'm not a very good putter. Maybe it'll

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Speaker 3: help me if I distract myself with some Jared Verse

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Speaker 2: We've got a.

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Speaker 3: Fun episode today because we've got one of our really

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Speaker 3: best buddies who we've known forever, who is the really

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Speaker 3: he's the best of the best in what he does

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Speaker 3: in terms of covering college football. Nobody does it better

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Speaker 3: than Bruce Feldman. You can see him on Fox all

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Speaker 3: throughout the fall. You can read him at the Athletic.

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Speaker 3: The Freaks List, I'm sure is coming out before too long,

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Speaker 3: which has really become one of the must reads in

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Speaker 3: all of football. Every NFL scout is printing that out

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Speaker 3: and going off that as they going to schools in

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Speaker 3: Now it's our buddy, Bruce Feldman. Bruce, appreciate you taking

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Speaker 3: I know you've got football camps. Got to get your

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Speaker 2: What do you do? You golf?

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Speaker 3: All we do is play scramble. So if it's four

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Speaker 2: Anything that is funny. Yeah, he's definitely.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, you know, there's an interesting one who is

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Speaker 3: That's interesting. There's so many different quarterbacks I want to

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Speaker 3: then as a little kid, you're waiting, is this scram finale?

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Speaker 3: Asking you're tugging on your parents. Sure, hey, is this

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's the end of the whole conference. That's a

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Speaker 1: That I can remember absolutely, Like there was a time

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's just so so gifted. You know, he's

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Speaker 1: Bon Knicks can can get out of trouble and do

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Speaker 3: Last year, he really did and let's.

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Speaker 2: See what now.

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Speaker 1: Look, he's going to be in a slightly different system.

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Speaker 1: He just torches them. They have really good receivers. I

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Speaker 1: he's really you know, he's a terrific running quarterback.

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Speaker 5: He's a really I think he's a bright kid.

440
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Speaker 1: Physically, he's really wiry, you know, like you like I

441
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Speaker 1: wondered how well will he hold up? And obviously held

442
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Speaker 1: up well.

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Speaker 5: I think he was a revelation to me.

444
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Speaker 1: It's one thing for the two guys who transferred into

445
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Speaker 1: the PAC twelve in terms of well, I mean there's

446
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Speaker 1: more obviously because because Caleb did. But but we're talking

447
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Speaker 1: about the two guys who Bonick coming from the SEC

448
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Speaker 1: to go there, and then certainly Companix going from the

449
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Speaker 1: Big ten up there, but to go into the SEC

450
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Speaker 1: and really into the SEC program which was reeling, it

451
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Speaker 1: was you know, I know it was a restart. Brian

452
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Speaker 1: Kelly's first year. I thought his leadership and his presence

453
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Speaker 1: spoke a lot about his character, and there was a

454
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff that you know, I think we kind

455
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Speaker 1: of maybe forget about that he had to deal with

456
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Speaker 1: at ASU at the end. I mean, that program was

457
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Speaker 1: kind of imploding around him because of all the off

458
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Speaker 1: field stuff that had gone on there in the NCAA

459
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Speaker 1: investigation and all this stuff. So now his kind of

460
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Speaker 1: second win. And by the way, the quarterback he held off,

461
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Speaker 1: Garrett Nsmeyer.

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Speaker 5: He's super talented.

463
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Speaker 1: He's probably one of the maybe one of the ten

464
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Speaker 1: most talented quarterbacks in the country, just in terms of

465
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Speaker 1: some of the things he can do. But he's younger,

466
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Speaker 1: and he's still you know, he's still a little raw.

467
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Speaker 1: I think for Jaden Daniels to keep that job even

468
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Speaker 1: to some to especially after losing the first game, you know,

469
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Speaker 1: you know, essentially a home game against Florida State, I

470
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Speaker 1: think it also speaks to his character and his resilience.

471
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Speaker 1: And so this is a year where if you're LSU

472
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Speaker 1: and look, everybody who's coached there in the last twenty

473
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Speaker 1: five years has won a national title. This is the

474
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Speaker 1: year with Alabama, you know, rebuilding and you know, losing

475
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Speaker 1: their two best players on each side of the ball,

476
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Speaker 1: and Georgia, you know, losing their starting quarterback. If you're

477
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Speaker 1: LSU and you have what they have coming back, I

478
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Speaker 1: think it's all there for them at least to make

479
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Speaker 1: a run at the playoff, if not more.

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Speaker 3: What about two teams in their quarterbacks? Bigger question than

481
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Speaker 3: the more narrow question in terms of the expectation this year.

482
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Speaker 3: When you look at Michigan and Florida State and you

483
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Speaker 3: look at the expectations for those two teams, but then

484
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Speaker 3: also the play of those two quarterbacks are very talented.

485
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Speaker 3: Where do you feel more confident in those two? Maybe

486
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Speaker 3: from a team standpoint and then maybe individually from those I.

487
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Speaker 1: Feel more confident in Michigan. Now, look, I saw them

488
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Speaker 1: a lot. Crew did maybe seven of their games. I

489
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Speaker 1: mean that's a lot, right, And JJ McCarthy is very gifted.

490
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Speaker 1: I mean, he can throw on the runs. He pretty

491
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Speaker 1: much has everything you're looking for. The one thing I

492
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Speaker 1: don't think he's had a lot of was just he

493
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Speaker 1: plays in a different system, right, it's more traditional pro style.

494
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Speaker 1: I mean when I was saying I spent some time

495
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Speaker 1: with Alan Bowman. Alan Bowmen was the third string guy

496
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Speaker 1: for a while at Michigan. He was talking about there's

497
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Speaker 1: like twenty eight different kinds of footwork you have to

498
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Speaker 1: learn in that offense. And I thought he was really

499
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Speaker 1: good in the games. It mattered certainly to them Ohio

500
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Speaker 1: State on the road and I talked to him for

501
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Speaker 1: something a couple of weeks back before that game and

502
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Speaker 1: he was like, I was, ooh, this is like bulletin

503
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Speaker 1: board material he's given me.

504
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Speaker 5: And he was like, you know, all good with it.

505
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Speaker 5: And they backed it up.

506
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Speaker 1: I mean, they did not have Blake korm all American

507
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Speaker 1: running back, and they really Donovan Edwards had a big

508
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Speaker 1: game that Donovan Edwicks playing with a soft cast in

509
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: his hand was banged up, and they torched that defense

510
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,479
Speaker 1: right and he made big throws. And I think this

511
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Speaker 1: will be Jim Harbaugh's most talented team. You know, they

512
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Speaker 1: have a bunch of those guys who decided to come

513
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Speaker 1: back as supposed to leaving early for the NFL, and

514
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Speaker 1: a lot of those guys were there, you know, real

515
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Speaker 1: team leaders, and they're almost all back. I think, you know, like,

516
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Speaker 1: to me, they not only should be a playoff team.

517
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Speaker 1: I I think if JJ can take the next step

518
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Speaker 1: and look, he's gonna need a little help from the receivers,

519
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Speaker 1: it's a good go.

520
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Speaker 2: Ahead and guarantee it. Go ahead and say it. Say it.

521
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Speaker 2: We need it for the we need it for the pod.

522
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Speaker 2: Go ahead and say it.

523
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Speaker 3: This could be it.

524
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Speaker 5: This is the most talented team, right.

525
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Speaker 1: I don't want to say like the odds on favorite,

526
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Speaker 1: but they are the most talented team that this is

527
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Speaker 1: the most talented team they've ever had.

528
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Speaker 5: I don't think this is you know, are they more talent? Did?

529
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Speaker 1: Then you have to get through the SEC to win

530
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Speaker 1: a national title?

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Speaker 5: Right?

532
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Speaker 1: There are Trival who they whipped at their own place,

533
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 1: were like this close to winning that game and knocking

534
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Speaker 1: knocking the Bulldogs out of the mix. Right, And I

535
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Speaker 1: think this Michigan team will be is more talented than

536
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Speaker 1: you know than the one they just had. I actually

537
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Speaker 1: think it's considerably more talented. I like, I like their chances, right.

538
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Speaker 1: You know, one thing I heard a couple of years ago,

539
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Speaker 1: one of the things that helped flip the switch at

540
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Speaker 1: Michigan was they started to really embrace that, hey, we're

541
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Speaker 1: going We're going after Ohio State year round basically, and

542
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Speaker 1: they would put in this beat Ohio period which was

543
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Speaker 1: since nine on seven and getting after them all of

544
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Speaker 1: a sudden, now I.

545
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Speaker 5: Heard they have a beat Georgia period too.

546
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Speaker 2: Well.

547
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Speaker 1: Probably needs to happen in the you know, in the

548
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Speaker 1: recruiting office as much as anything else. But I think, look,

549
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Speaker 1: I think Jim Harbaugh knows we are. He watched and

550
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Speaker 1: he saw what happened with Georgia. He is in Ohio State.

551
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: I think he knows. You know, they're a different kind

552
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Speaker 1: of team than certainly Ohio State. You Ohio State with CJ,

553
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Speaker 1: and you have great receivers and they've recruited at a

554
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Speaker 1: high level.

555
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Speaker 5: But they have really good players too.

556
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Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how talented JJ is because

557
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: I think you get caught up in Hey, they got

558
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: the great offensive line and really good running backs and

559
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: they're not It's not like an air raid offense. JJ

560
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 1: is really gifted, and I think we need to see

561
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Speaker 1: it from the next year, you know, this year and

562
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Speaker 1: then obviously on the other side. You know, I think

563
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Speaker 1: Mike Norvel and his staff have done an amazing job.

564
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: We talked about getting it out of the ditch. I

565
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: mean Florida State towards the end of Jimbo Fisher had

566
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: just fallen apart, especially on the offensive line, and they

567
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Speaker 1: built it. It's been a lot of three steps forward,

568
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: one step back. I think Jordan Travis has really continued

569
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Speaker 1: to get better and better. I love some of the transfers.

570
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Speaker 1: I know, you know DJ you mentioned Jared Verse. I

571
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Speaker 1: mean Albany State, you know the other Albany State, the

572
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: Great Danes, not the one where like you know, where

573
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Speaker 1: you occasually get some NFL players, and you know, it's

574
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Speaker 1: a it's a win that they were able to get

575
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Speaker 1: him to stay because I suspect he probably would have

576
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Speaker 1: been a first round.

577
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Speaker 3: To have been a top ten pick last year and

578
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Speaker 3: he came back to school. Him and the Penn State

579
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Speaker 3: tackle were the two that shocked me that they went

580
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Speaker 3: back big gets.

581
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't I doubt that ever happens if

582
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Speaker 1: there's not nil the way it is now and they

583
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: have a they have really good receivers, right like Johnny

584
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Speaker 1: Wilson who is at Oregon is a real difference maker,

585
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Speaker 1: you know, in terms of just dimensions. So I think

586
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Speaker 1: they can hang their hat on that. I think he's recruited. Well,

587
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Speaker 1: if Florida State has gotten you know, buzzy again in

588
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Speaker 1: terms of like I think for a while, recruits were like, probably, hey,

589
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the SEC. Now I think

590
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Speaker 1: they're they're listening more and they have been for a

591
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Speaker 1: little while, and certainly transfers have I don't think, you know,

592
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Speaker 1: the for a while it felt like it was and

593
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: then everybody else in the ACC and there's some good teams,

594
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: you know, like NC State has had talent. Obviously unc

595
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: IS still has Drake May. But to me, Florida State,

596
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: I think they they are this is a team that

597
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: has a chance, a legit chance to be a playoff team.

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Speaker 2: You know.

599
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Speaker 4: So it's funny because you took me where I wanted

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Speaker 4: to go, because you mentioned Clemson is a fear factor

601
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: gone from the Tigers. I mean, are we done kind

602
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 4: of viewing them as kind of like the bully at

603
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Speaker 4: the top of the mountain. Do you think Dabo can

604
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Speaker 4: get them back to being in the conversation with Georgia

605
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Speaker 4: and the top people that are in the playoffs.

606
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Speaker 5: I think so.

607
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: But you know, look, he made a big bold move

608
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: by grabbing Garrett Riley to shake up what was a

609
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: really really stale system there. You know, they're one of

610
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Speaker 1: the few programs that was not you know, all in

611
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: and getting transfers. And I think, what what you saw?

612
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Speaker 1: And I remember I did a a big story with

613
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Speaker 1: my colleague Grace Rayner who covers Clemson and talk to

614
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: talk to RG three and talk to some other coaches

615
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: as well as as Dan Orlowski who both those guys

616
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: had called Clemson games about how stale the Clemson offense

617
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: had gotten. And you know, look, DJ when I djal

618
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: when I spoke to him a couple of months ago,

619
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Speaker 1: really spoke in detail about some of the frustrations of

620
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Speaker 1: playing in that system where you don't feel like they're

621
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Speaker 1: taking chance, you don't feel like they're they they believe

622
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Speaker 1: in you. The quarterback. I mean, you guys saw. I

623
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: think I've seen Kate Clubnick in person. I think he's

624
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Speaker 1: very good. I just don't know, you know, when when

625
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: Clemson was really rolling, they had a just a crazy

626
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Speaker 1: run of receivers. It wasn't quite like what Alabama had,

627
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: but they it was it was something now and it

628
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: tried up. I don't know if they missed on a

629
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Speaker 1: few guys they expected to be something else.

630
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Speaker 5: Either.

631
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Speaker 1: Those big receivers just weren't as dynamic as maybe the

632
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: guys before them were, and so some of it started

633
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: to get a little leaky. I certainly they had good

634
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: D lineman, but I think that D line group was

635
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: probably a notch below that great format group they had

636
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: maybe three or four years ago. And so I still

637
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: think they're really good. But what ended up happening was,

638
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: you know, he lost some guys who became head coaches,

639
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: who were core guys on both sides of the ball,

640
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: and I think that hurt. And I think the Gary

641
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: Riley hires a big one. But you know, Brent Bennables

642
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: was a terrific defensive high defensive coordinator for him.

643
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Speaker 5: And we'll see how Wes Goodwin does.

644
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: You know that was a guy from inside that he

645
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: believes in and those are big shoes to film.

646
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Speaker 3: All Right, We're going to take a quick break and

647
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Speaker 3: we come back. Bruce and Bucky don't know about this,

648
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 3: but I'm going to go ahead and make it an

649
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 3: executive decision here and say we need to bring back

650
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: the coach draft that we did a couple of years ago.

651
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: So they have no preparation. I'm I'm just ambushing them

652
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: right now. We're gonna get to that right after this.

653
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: All right, guys, we've had a chance to mention some

654
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Speaker 3: some quarterbacks, some other topics around college football. One thing

655
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Speaker 3: I wanted to get to you, Bruce, and then we're

656
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Speaker 3: going to get to this coaching draft. What you guys

657
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: knew nothing about when you were talking about Harbor. I

658
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: was just thinking about this, and I remember watching the

659
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 3: tape last year on their guys and looking up players

660
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: and being like, who's this Guy's he coming back? And

661
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: all these studs that have coming back to the school

662
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: you mentioned you thought it was the best chance that

663
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: Harball would have to win a championship. And then you

664
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Speaker 3: talk to you said about the beat Georgia period, and

665
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Speaker 3: I was sitting here thinking, like, when you look at

666
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: Jim Harbaugh, his career has been defined about beating up

667
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 3: the bully, like it started with Pete Carroll and it

668
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 3: was like, I remember like laughing when it was like

669
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Speaker 3: he's gonna, oh, really, Stanford's going to compete with USC

670
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: like ha ha ha. And then he goes to Michigan

671
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: and obviously it takes their lumps there against Ohio State

672
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: for a good period of time, but now he's got

673
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: their number and he's beating up that bully. So I

674
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 3: think people that are listening to this are going to

675
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: hear I know, especially SEC fans are going to hear

676
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: that beat Georgia period, and they're going to roll the

677
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 3: rise and they're going to laugh. I'd be careful on

678
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 3: that man, because he's got a long track record of

679
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: doing this and.

680
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 5: You can't like it. He's the guy.

681
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: It's hard to figure out how he does it right,

682
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: Like what is the what is his superpower as a coach.

683
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: And I remember both Tom and Aldey and I are

684
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: on the sideline of that game in Columbus and at

685
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: one point it was like early fourth quarter and all

686
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like you know, Donovan Edwards, you know,

687
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: like blew open the game. And I we were in

688
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: a timeout and I said, Tom, turn around, just like

689
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: we're on the Michigan bench behind it.

690
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 5: And I look at the and it.

691
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: Was just shock and disbelief because all those Ohio State fans.

692
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: I think we're convinced they're gonna get They're going to

693
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: come get such a revenge here on Jim Harbad.

694
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 5: They're coming to our place.

695
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: This isn't going to happen, and it happened worse, and

696
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: I think what was pretty remarkable. There's some guys when

697
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 1: I say the leadership, like you know, I don't know

698
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: where they have a nickel back Mikey Sindris still zero

699
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: number zero, who was a receiver. He's a Boston kid

700
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: who is super tough, and you feel his presence like

701
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: I was like watching him as he's leading the team

702
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: and those guys. And I think the way, you know,

703
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: just talking to people around the program that what they

704
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: say Harbaugh's really good at is they go hard at

705
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: practicing football and it's just like all the toughness and

706
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: all that, all those intangible qualities I think he's able

707
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: to foster and I think that ends up becoming such

708
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: an asset for them because the game to large extent

709
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: has gotten away from some of that. Maybe people don't

710
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: tackle as much as they don't tackle as much as

711
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: they used to practice, and there's a lot of stuff

712
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: where it's a perimeter, perimeter oriented game. And I think

713
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: Harball hasn't moved much, if at all, from what he was,

714
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: certainly at Stanford where they became the bully of the

715
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: Pac twelve, the Pac ten and you know he's done

716
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: it again. It took come a while, but you know,

717
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: it's a really it's a fascinating thing to be around.

718
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: It is so interesting, like the Michigan stuff in terms

719
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: of like physicality and toughness, because Bruce you talked about

720
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 4: the college landscape is very perimeter orient it's ready. We

721
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 4: even see pro style offenses play. When you look at

722
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: the landscape. What can you see as the new trend

723
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 4: offensively in football when it comes to like rpo, screen game.

724
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: All this other stuff.

725
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 4: Because I see stuff buzzing on Twitter, but I want

726
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 4: it because you're in the know. What are some of

727
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 4: the new things that you think we'll see.

728
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 5: I'm curious how the offshoot of what's gone on at

729
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 5: Tennessee if it's because it's not an air raid or

730
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 5: anything like that.

731
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: It's such it's so wide, right, and there's times where

732
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: the receivers may not even run a route our brows.

733
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah did did Cowboys.

734
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really interesting thing.

735
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: But now that it's at Tennessee and certainly wasn't like

736
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: off the radar when it was at Baylor and then

737
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: UCF and to some degree Lane was doing it when

738
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: he took some.

739
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 5: Briles guys to Ole Miss.

740
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: But now that it's on Tennessee and people are seeing it,

741
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be interesting to see will

742
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: that grow out? I do think you see you will

743
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: see more of the Lincoln Riley, Bill beadenbow run game

744
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: with all the counter stuff that they do, and it's

745
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: a problem for people. And I think as USC continues

746
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: to ascend, I think people will it's a copycat business,

747
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: right because the air raid guys and I have a

748
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: story that's going to run this week on on what

749
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: it's like to be an air raid defensive coordinator, right

750
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: and all the gal Yeah, but all the challenges that

751
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: come with that, right, And so most of those guys

752
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: who are ARRA guys, whether it was Dana or Lincoln,

753
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: and now we're seeing it with Dana's Lincoln's brother Garrett.

754
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: I think the field that Ruff.

755
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: And McNeil did that for a long time.

756
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: He did do it, right, He's one of the guys

757
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: I talked to and but but you seen it like

758
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,959
Speaker 1: NC State and they're not an ARA team. But Tony

759
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: Gibson had been an air defensive coordinator with Dana Holgerson,

760
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: but they were much they evolved because they I think

761
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: they felt like they had to evolve to win. And

762
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: I think that's the give and take part in terms

763
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: of how coaches are looking at going, Okay, what can

764
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: we do here within the rules, because for so long

765
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: I think it was let's get numbers, let's get numbers

766
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: and put up stats. But I think otherwise you're looking at, well,

767
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 1: who are the best defenses? Well, it's typically like these

768
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: teams in the Big Ten because the offensive that they're seeing, right,

769
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: And so that's why I think you may see a

770
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: lot of the elements that maybe Lincoln Riley's really good

771
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: at that, maybe Mike Leach wasn't you know, didn't do.

772
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: I think you'll see some of those things continue to

773
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: seep out and for people to adopt it. And I

774
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: think you'll also see, Look, you'll see elements that I

775
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: think Kansas picked up last year that they were really

776
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: good with, you know, with Jalen Daniels and that stuff

777
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: that Coastal Carolina has been really good at, right, and

778
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that they were doing Jamie Chaddell

779
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: did really well, and there's some smaller schools that do that.

780
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 5: I think you're going to see that because.

781
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: Now I mean, Kansas became, you know, went from being

782
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: horrible to pretty respectable, and their offense was a problem

783
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: for people. And I think they picked up some things,

784
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: and I think there's there's going to be some coaches going,

785
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, we don't need to have.

786
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 5: We don't need to have Caleb Williams back here to

787
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 5: be a problem for people.

788
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 1: And now, fortunately for Kansas, they got a super smart

789
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: quarterback who makes really good decisions and is in that.

790
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: But again, by the way, another southern California kid. You know,

791
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: I think he's from like fifteen minutes away from here.

792
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: So good for good for Jalen Daniel's good for Kansas

793
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: to find a system that suits him.

794
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 3: Well, all right, we're jumping into this now. I'm going

795
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 3: to make this easy on you guys, because I'm going

796
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 3: to take Nick, Saban and Kirby Smart and just say

797
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: we probably are all in agreement that, you know, with

798
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 3: what they've accomplished and where they are. Those are the

799
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 3: top two guys. And people can look, they can say, well,

800
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: where Kirby is now, maybe he gets to not over

801
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: Nick Nicks the lifetime. What he's accomplished. I'm gonna go,

802
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: you know, just put those two guys away, we won't even

803
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 3: have that conversation. That's old and tired. So if we

804
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: take those two guys out of the mix, Bruce, we'll

805
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: go Bruce, Bucky me will snake it. We'll do three rounds.

806
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: If you had a program, though, here's the scenario. We

807
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 3: have a program. It's a we have a program that's

808
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: capable of winning a national championship. We're a blue blood program,

809
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: and we can make any higher and literally everyone in

810
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 3: the country is available to hire. That's the that's the

811
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 3: parameters that we're going with here, and we're taking Sabin

812
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: and Kirby Smart off the table. Bruce, you get to

813
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: take the first pick. Who do you want?

814
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: Can I trade with the person who has the third

815
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: pick so I can get two in a row?

816
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: Oh you want to do that, I'll find I'll do that.

817
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: I'll do that. I'll go so then I'll get to

818
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: go first then and so I'll go first.

819
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: Then Bucks.

820
00:37:58,320 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 3: We'll go the opposite way here. So if I get

821
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 3: to go first and I'm at a blue blood program,

822
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 3: I can hire anybody that I want. I actually think

823
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna take Lincoln.

824
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 2: Riley my first.

825
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna be able to get quarterbacks, elitey lead

826
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: e lead quarterbacks. I know he's gonna develop quarterbacks. That's

827
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 3: a given. I mean, you already start there. I already

828
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: start with the most important position. I know I'm going

829
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 3: to be taken care of as long as he's my

830
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 3: head coach, because they're all gonna want to go play

831
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: for him, and he's innovative, he's always looking ahead. Got

832
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 3: to get the defensive thing worked out.

833
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: A little bit.

834
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: But uh, but that would be my first pick. Buck,

835
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 3: you're looking credulous there, would you? Who did you expect

836
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 3: me to pick?

837
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm surprised. Number one overall.

838
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 4: I think I think sometimes your cardinal pops out like

839
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 4: the closet cardinal.

840
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: I think one, it's common. I mean, it's sooner or

841
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: later he's gonna win one.

842
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:45,479
Speaker 5: There.

843
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 4: So here's here's what I say, because Bruce kind of

844
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: led us to it, I will say the innovation that

845
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: we've seen from uh Lincoln Riley in terms of the

846
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 4: G T G, A G Y, whatever counter game you

847
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 4: want to call.

848
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 2: It, it has been fantastic.

849
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 4: And his ability to utilize that run game with any

850
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 4: type of quarterback that he's had because we've seen him

851
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 4: do it with Baker Mayfield.

852
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: We seen him do it with Jalen Hurts, we saw

853
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: him do with Kyler Murray.

854
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 4: That part of what he's able to add to the

855
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 4: run game, on top of all the stuff that they

856
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 4: do with the air raid man, he is a very

857
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: difficult coach to defend until he gets the defense right though.

858
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: I got to pump my breaks. I love him, I

859
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: got pulling me breaks from that.

860
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: So now, but look, you look, you left me with

861
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 4: the guy that I wanted from the jumping. So Bruce

862
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 4: talked about Jim Harbaugh and what he's been able to do. Look,

863
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 4: I'm an unabassed Jim Harbough fan like in terms of

864
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 4: the way that he has built his programs as going

865
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 4: all the way back to USD Stanford, Michigan, what he

866
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 4: did with the Niners.

867
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 2: I'm all in the cultural stuff that he's talked about.

868
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: I believe in it, and then the old school physicality

869
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: and toughness, And I know they try not to let

870
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff leak out, but I have

871
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 4: heard how they practice back in the day when he

872
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: first got there, the Michigan moub making those guys run

873
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 4: them out every Monday, not because it had any necessarily

874
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 4: cardiovascular benefit, but a level of toughness. When you talk

875
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 4: about having a guy that knows how to beat the bully,

876
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 4: there is something that he is able to give his

877
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 4: team a level of confidence that enables them to beat

878
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 4: the bully.

879
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm all in on Jim Harbor.

880
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: Nice.

881
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: You know, I sometimes I didn't want to be in

882
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: the position of do I take Dabbo or not? Now

883
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: you almost forced, you know, like, I'm actually going to

884
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: take two big ten guys. I'm gonna take Rule. I'm

885
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 1: going to take Ryan Day to some of the same

886
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: reasons DJ said about Lincoln. He's really good offensively. I

887
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: think he's different obviously, but they are able to get

888
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: a ton of skill guys there. I think he understands

889
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: the program. I think he has a I think he's

890
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: a leader. I really like some of the intangible stuff.

891
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: I know that they've had the Michigan problem the last

892
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: two years. I don't ignore that. The other one I'm

893
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: gonna take because of the way you in this question,

894
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to take James Franklin.

895
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 5: On this.

896
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: Whenever I talk about James Franklin as a top five coach,

897
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: and I bring up what he did at Vanderbilt, which

898
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: still blows my mind because Vanderbilt was horrific before he

899
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: got there, horrific after, and he got him in the

900
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: top twenty five. He's recruited really well at Penn State,

901
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: and I think they're this is a big year for them.

902
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 5: You know, I like Drew Aller.

903
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: I you know, they have stud running backs again, they

904
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: have some special players on defense. You mentioned their left

905
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: tackle who's like seventeen years old still, but like really

906
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: really gifted. He would be the I know, I'm leaving

907
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: Dabbo on the table, and Dabbo has national titles, but

908
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: those are the two guys I'm gonna take here.

909
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 3: Oh, I already I know who Bucky's taken. I've already

910
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 3: written it down, but I'll just wait and then I'll

911
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: just flip it over as soon as he picks him.

912
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 4: Go ahead, Buck, Okay, Well, I was gonna say, I

913
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 4: do like the fact that you gave James Franklin his

914
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 4: flowers because the Penn State team that we're seeing now

915
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 4: is different, the number of pros that they're putting out

916
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 4: because they're getting these super athletes that is different than

917
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 4: the old school Penn State squad, and so his recruiting

918
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 4: efforts and the fact that they are in the mix

919
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 4: even though they haven't won a national title, he deserves credit.

920
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: I am going to take Brian Kelly friend of the program.

921
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: I am taking him because look you're talking about you said,

922
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: Look you said building it from the ground up. I mean,

923
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: come on, that was a layup and is different because

924
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 4: he had left Davos Swiney on the table. But here's

925
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 4: what I'll say about Brian Kelly. His long track record

926
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 4: for going from program to program and bringing them not

927
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 4: only back to relevance, but to bringing them to a

928
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: high level, from Cincinnati to Notre Dame to now going

929
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 4: to LSU.

930
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: He gets that he has a recipe.

931
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 4: LSU has probably exceeded my expectations in terms of being

932
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 4: back because I didn't think that was going to be

933
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 4: a great fit his personality and what they had, but

934
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 4: they needed some of that after the edioh thing. So

935
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 4: Brian Kelly to me because I think he's a program

936
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 4: builder and he understands how to do it. And he

937
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 4: also does a pretty decent job a getting quarterbacks ready

938
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 4: to play.

939
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 3: Hey, Bruce, you you'll probably know this site can look

940
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 3: it up fast enough, but like, what was Clemson's record

941
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: last year, because you'd think that they won three games

942
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 3: the way that we're.

943
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: Talking about, I feel like they've been ten and four,

944
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: like they did lose to Tennessee in the ball game,

945
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: but like their down years were ten and four years.

946
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 3: Last year they won to They won eleven and three

947
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: last year. I mean like that, yeah, But I mean

948
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: like this is it's not like they've fallen off a cliff.

949
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: They just haven't been that a lead elite level. And

950
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 3: Dabbo's got trophies, so he's also been someone that's been

951
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 3: able to attract quarterbacks. Now obviously didn't work out with DJU.

952
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: We talked about that earlier in the episode. But look

953
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 3: at the run that he had when he had Deshaun Watson.

954
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 3: Look at what he did obviously with Trevor Lawrence.

955
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 5: I was Boyd put up big numbers.

956
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, exactly, going back to Taj Boyd throwing to

957
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 3: Sammy Watkins and that group. He's always had receivers. The

958
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: offensive line has never been in an area of real

959
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 3: strength for them, but it hasn't impacted their offense with

960
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: what they've been able to accomplish in defensive linemen. So

961
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: if we talk about winning in the NFL with quarterbacks

962
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 3: and defensive linemen and pass rush, we obviously feel similarly

963
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: about college football. You win with quarterbacks and pass rush.

964
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 3: So Dabbo has been able to recruit and develop those

965
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: two positions. So this is a this is a steal

966
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: for me getting dabbled at this point in time. I

967
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,959
Speaker 3: get the snake, I get another pick here, you.

968
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: Do No, you get another pick. You get to go back,

969
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: you get to go.

970
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: Back, all right, Gosh, I can go in a couple

971
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 3: of different directions with this one.

972
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 5: We've got a list, and that makes it unfair here

973
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 5: because he knew me.

974
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: I literally, I told Bucky.

975
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 3: I just I was excited the magazines came out because

976
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: I got my Lindy's magazine. So I'm just looking just

977
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: so Hi, I'm not forgetting any names. I'm just looking

978
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: to the top twenty five saying of like.

979
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: What what coaches?

980
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: What coach am I not thinking of right now because

981
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: I've got some young guys that I kind of like

982
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 3: to throw in the mix.

983
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 4: Mm hmm o.

984
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: Gosh, oh man, my man's struggling.

985
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: Oh I already already know where I'm going because I

986
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: feel like Bucky's trying to monopolize toughness. He wants to

987
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: at the end of this draft talk about how if

988
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: you took all his coaches and put him in a

989
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 3: cage match, that they beat up mine and Bruce's coaches,

990
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: how tough and physical they are. So I'm not I'm not.

991
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: I'm not going to allow that.

992
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: What Okay, so you're taking two guys here, give me

993
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: your guests.

994
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 3: Give me your guests.

995
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: My guess is by the way, I sorry had snub

996
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: Cam rising he slipped my head and oh yeah, quarterbacks

997
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: and then he makes plays.

998
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 5: But the tough guy, the king of the cage guy,

999
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 5: is now.

1000
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: Okay, oh you're going with no, no, you're saying no,

1001
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: this is a.

1002
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 5: Tough I think if and I did a story on.

1003
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 3: This him over whitting him.

1004
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 5: In the cage. Yeah, fickle like was like like.

1005
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: A statement, like like wrestling champ in high school. Remember

1006
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 2: we had them all.

1007
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 3: I know, I know, but I feel like Whittingham would

1008
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 3: would bite like I feel like there's like elbows, like

1009
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: he's not playing within the rules I think in that cage.

1010
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 3: And he's older, so he's got old man strength, So.

1011
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: Any of the coach, there's no like. His team's play

1012
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: so hard, they're always physical. He would have been he

1013
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: would have been one of my two guys then my next.

1014
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: So I'll take winning him and the thought being, the

1015
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: way we frame this is that if you were at

1016
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: a top program, a blue blood program that could get recruits,

1017
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 3: you know, can can win a national championship. We've not

1018
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: got to see. We've seen him get close at a

1019
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: school that God bless Utah. They've overachieved like nobody's business.

1020
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: But like I'd sit there and think, what if you

1021
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 3: had taken him and put him at a Michigan put

1022
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: him at a Georgia USC. I mean, what does that

1023
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: look like? So yeah, I think he's literally been one

1024
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: of the best coaches. You might know this because I've

1025
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: always been curious about this, and he would I'm sure

1026
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: he maybe he would never say anything publicly about it.

1027
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 3: But have NFL teams come after him at all over

1028
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: the years, not to my knowledge, what why not?

1029
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1030
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: I honestly, to me, one of the bigger miss missteps

1031
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: USC made was when they got Sark and that was,

1032
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, not a great time for Sark. You know,

1033
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: like cowin him grew up in La. I know he's

1034
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: got deep roots where he's at now. But like you know,

1035
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: he's done really well in Southern California recruiting like that

1036
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: is what USC has always wanted, you know, in terms

1037
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: of like just in terms of the style of being

1038
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: the most physical team. So you know, again, I don't

1039
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: know what it would have taken him to come, but

1040
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, he's a fantastic coach. He proves

1041
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: it time and time again.

1042
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: You're buck, you're up here. Okay, Well, last pick.

1043
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 4: I know it's my last pick, and so last pick.

1044
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 4: What we do in the draft we throw darts. So

1045
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw a dart here. It's probably gonna make

1046
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: both of you guys fall out of your chair, but

1047
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go Sight unseen with a coach is twenty

1048
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 4: seven and six in his coaching career. I'm gonna go

1049
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 4: with Dion Sanders. Yeah, yes, I have an opportunity to

1050
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 4: go a blue blood program. We have already seen how

1051
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 4: he's completely flipped the Colorado roster and the buzz that

1052
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 4: he's created. Now we haven't seen what it looks like

1053
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 4: and what that plays out. But I'll tell you that

1054
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 4: having watched a lot of HBCUs, a lot of black

1055
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 4: college football, what they did at Jackson State was nothing

1056
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: short or remarkable. The way they rebuilt that, the way

1057
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 4: they put that together, the infrastructure when it came to

1058
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 4: the recruiting, and I will tell you, having known a

1059
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 4: couple of dudes on that staff, like lost in all

1060
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 4: the glitz in glam of Dion is an old school

1061
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 4: coach with old school values when it comes to it.

1062
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 4: And so I'm a bank on Dion. I'm a gamble

1063
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 4: on him on the comp that he can take a

1064
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 4: blue blood program and get them over the top, because

1065
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 4: we know that he's already created a recruiting machine at

1066
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: Colorado and it's only going to get better if he

1067
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 4: wins any games there.

1068
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: Interesting pick that is a I don't want to say

1069
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: it's a sleeper because it's like the most charismatic guy

1070
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: who's ever coached in college football.

1071
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 5: But just in terms of.

1072
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: You know the name I'm going to throw out, I thought,

1073
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: actually Bucky might be going for the way he kind

1074
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: of started to build it up. And it's somebody who

1075
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: has won a ton of games and is now getting

1076
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: traction in the Big twelve and that's Chris Climbing at

1077
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: Kansas State.

1078
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 2: Good coach, having.

1079
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 5: A lot of Big twelve games.

1080
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: When he talked to coach in the league, invariably they'll

1081
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: be like, that's the best coach team in our league.

1082
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 5: They're really hard to play against.

1083
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: And you know, he won a bunch of national titles

1084
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: at North Dakota State and now he's got it rolling

1085
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: at k State.

1086
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 5: He's that one.

1087
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we could have you know, there's a bunch

1088
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: of guys I think who could have been in this spot.

1089
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: But to me, he's a top ten coach and you

1090
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: know we have more than ten guys, So I feel

1091
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: confident with him.

1092
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 3: I know because of the players that they've lost, that

1093
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: maybe the shines come off the star a little bit.

1094
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: But and I'm putting on the spot here, but is

1095
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: Matt Campbell are they Are they going to be able

1096
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 3: to get that thing kind of back going again? Has

1097
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 3: nil impacted them?

1098
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 5: Like?

1099
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 3: I just know, I think the guy's a great coach.

1100
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: I think he's done a great job of finding developing players.

1101
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 3: I know his reputation from an NFL standpoint has been pristine. Obviously,

1102
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 3: it wasn't what they wanted last year. But what's your

1103
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: expectation Bruce with that program with him at the helm,

1104
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 3: are they going to be able to get it back

1105
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 3: or is he going to have to go somewhere else

1106
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: to eventually get where he wants to go.

1107
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: I think he's going to get them back in the

1108
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: top twenty five. The Big twelve is the most unparticled

1109
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: Power five commer.

1110
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 5: Nobody saw TCU coming.

1111
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: They were like preseason number seven, I think that year

1112
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: where they were coming off their best season ever in games,

1113
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 1: they were number nine in the country. They had almost

1114
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: everybody back, and they had really good players, you know

1115
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: back obviously.

1116
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting.

1117
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: I don't know if there should be revisionist history of

1118
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: what happens when your quarterback blows up as a rookie.

1119
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: But was there forever, and I think people just like, okay,

1120
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: what happened with him? You know, it's almost like you're

1121
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: there so long, people start to see all the flaws

1122
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: and all the warts, maybe some of that other stuff.

1123
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: You know, Bruce Hall was a phenomenal running back. They

1124
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: had really good tight ends. Receivers are good. I think that,

1125
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: and then they stumbled. They went like seven and six

1126
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: and lost a bunch of close games. I think he's

1127
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: a he's a terrific coach. He's he's one of the

1128
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: few coaches. Whenever I talked to him, I always feel

1129
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: like I learned something and you just kind of get

1130
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: wowed by him when you're around him. I could see

1131
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: why NFL people like he's great on development.

1132
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 5: I mean, look what he did.

1133
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: You know, Will McDonald I thought was an awesome player.

1134
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: They did so much with him, and I.

1135
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 5: Don't, I don't, I don't.

1136
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: I think it was a hiccup for them really because

1137
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: they went from losing a bunch of guys who are

1138
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: all coming up, you know that year when when Brock

1139
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: was a senior it was a little bit loobbly, and

1140
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,479
Speaker 1: then I think it just because there was a little

1141
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: hangover after that effect. I think they will bounce back

1142
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: because I think he's too bit of a coach. I

1143
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: colleague at the Athletic Max Oilson, did a really good

1144
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: story and how they shook up their staff this offseason,

1145
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,959
Speaker 1: and I think it was a good window into what's

1146
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: going on in Ames because he's a really loyal guy.

1147
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: He's this you know, old Mount Union guy who had

1148
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of people around him, and I think some

1149
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: of those decisions are hard to make when maybe the

1150
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: fit's just not right, and so I think those were

1151
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: I think they will respond to a well because he's

1152
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,280
Speaker 1: got a great eye for talent.

1153
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 5: He's really good at.

1154
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: Developing players, and I would not at all be surprised

1155
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: if they, you know, win nine games this year and

1156
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to do what he's doing in aims.

1157
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 4: You know, Bruce is funny because I think I've read

1158
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 4: this story to Max owsin put Out, and one of

1159
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 4: the things that was stood out to me a couple

1160
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 4: of years ago, he tried a different approach in spring

1161
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 4: ball when it came to like their strength and conditioning,

1162
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 4: some of the developmental stuff that they did, and it

1163
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 4: appeared that he kind of regretted some of that because

1164
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 4: he talked about his players not looking like what he

1165
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 4: expected them to look like in the middle of the season.

1166
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 2: And so can you give like a little light.

1167
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 4: On what they were doing and why he has shifted

1168
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 4: gears or those things.

1169
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what's really fascinating is, you know, and

1170
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 1: use this as contexts. So when he got there or

1171
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: a woe full program, and I remember one of the

1172
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: one of the best, maybe the best leader. One of

1173
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: the better players he had was a quarterback who was

1174
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,479
Speaker 1: a state champion wrestler who was playing linebacker and playing

1175
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: both ways. Was just a great intangibles guys and guy.

1176
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: And then they got David Montgomery who was on his

1177
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: radar at Toledo, and he told me a story about

1178
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: David Montgomery when he was a freshman, like working out

1179
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: like in the winter at like on Friday night, at

1180
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: like midnight in their indoor and he was doing it

1181
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: the first week by himself, and then he got two

1182
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: guys coming then all of a sudden, it just kind

1183
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: of like mushroom. And I think what the challenge with

1184
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: using that as the context is. And this is an

1185
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: old school we talked about Harbaugh, you know, I know

1186
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: less Miles definitely fits in this category of the old

1187
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: school football.

1188
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 5: Guy where where more more.

1189
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: Becomes less and the development of you know, one of

1190
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: the things that helped LSU to turn the corner after

1191
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: Miles left was I was ron listened to Ak Marucci,

1192
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 1: who's this brilliant trainer, who's one of the smartest guys

1193
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: in sports, you know, period, and recognizing you have all

1194
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: this GPS technology, and what are the things you can

1195
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: do so players are are not just burned out and everything.

1196
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: And I think it's a hard thing for them to

1197
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: figure out, right because we were talking about this a

1198
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: little bit, and the teams do it, don't tackle as

1199
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: much like how do you keep that? And I think

1200
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 1: for Matt you know, in terms of the talking to

1201
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: the strength and conditioning piece, it was like, Okay, what

1202
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: is the best formula.

1203
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 5: For where we are right now?

1204
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: And I think what may work out okay for you know,

1205
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: great for David Montgomery may not work out great for

1206
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, sixty percent of the team. And I think

1207
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 1: finding that balance and some of it, you know, certainly

1208
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: tied into what it was like on the field for them.

1209
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: I think that was a that's hard decisions to make

1210
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 1: when some things you probably believe in turn out not

1211
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: to be beneficial or turned out to be detrimental. And

1212
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: I think that was the part where I felt like

1213
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 1: he was really candid and in kind of walking people

1214
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: through how that works. Because what may have been great,

1215
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: what certainly seems to be great for Jim Harbaugh in Michigan.

1216
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: Now you know, people can talk about when it doesn't work, Oh,

1217
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: that's the reason why you have all this talent. You

1218
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: guys only went eight and five that year or something.

1219
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's kind of not to use

1220
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: the pun, but it's a little fickle of away how

1221
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: these things work. I mean, they lost a lot of

1222
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 1: one score games, and I think some of that can

1223
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: be you know, it's easy to say it's, oh, it's

1224
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: luck or whatever it is, but I think there's a

1225
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: lot of things. And so when these coaches and he

1226
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: I think was very self reflective and you know, made

1227
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: some hard decisions. And look, I think the guy at

1228
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: the at the end of the day is one of

1229
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 1: the smarter people in coaching. I know, whenever I talked

1230
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: to him, he will do this stuff where he's kind

1231
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: of downloading you in terms of like, hey, have you

1232
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: talked to this person? Like what what are they doing

1233
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: over there? Or what's you know like And he's a

1234
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: student of the game. I imagine that. You know, if

1235
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: you guys have talked to him, you'd be like, this

1236
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: is one of the most interesting guys in football. You know,

1237
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. And I just think he realized,

1238
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta make let's let's make this change.

1239
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: I think it's for the better of the program at

1240
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 1: this stage.

1241
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a big fan of his. I remember asking

1242
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 3: him about what did people miss on quarterbacks and he

1243
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 3: used the phrase competitive excellence, and he said, basically, just

1244
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 3: every single thing that they do. If you look at

1245
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 3: the great ones that you get a chance to see

1246
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 3: your emulator hear about that, it was it didn't matter

1247
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: what they were doing, it was just this competitiveness that

1248
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: you can't help but see. And I thought that was

1249
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 3: a fascinating phrase or whatever. With competitive excellence talking about quarterbacks,

1250
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 3: there's one other storyline I want to hit you on

1251
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 3: that I feel like, and maybe I just haven't seen it,

1252
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 3: maybe it's been written. I don't know what your your

1253
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 3: thoughts on it are. But to me, the most fascinating

1254
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 3: coaching situation to watch in college football this year is

1255
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 3: actually at Texas A and M with Bobby Petrino. I

1256
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 3: feel like nobody even knows this, Like maybe the obviously

1257
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 3: the hardcore sec XA and M fans do, but Jimbo

1258
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 3: Fisher kind of falling on the sword and saying, Okay,

1259
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: whatever doing offensively is not working, and we're going to

1260
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: go ahead. And there's obviously risk involved here, But for

1261
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 3: whatever personality issues Bobby Petrino has. Obviously we know about

1262
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 3: some character flaws in the past. You talk to defensive

1263
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: coaches about defending a Bobby Patrino offense and they'll still

1264
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 3: tell you it's one of the most difficult things to

1265
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 3: deal with. Do you think this has a chance to

1266
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 3: work there?

1267
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 5: I think it has a chance to work. I mean,

1268
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 5: the question is that the two of them together, right,

1269
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 5: Jimbo but grudgingly was giving up. That's his baby, And

1270
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 5: from talking to a lot of people who've coached there

1271
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 5: with him, it's complicated. He's tough on you know, it's

1272
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 5: probably trying to do too much. But they have talent,

1273
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 5: you know, Buck, I'm sure you remember.

1274
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: Wegman's really gifted and everything I've heard from people who've

1275
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: been been around and worked with him is he's got

1276
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: the intangibles to handle Jimbo and all that stuff. You know,

1277
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: his former really gifted baseball player too. They have some

1278
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: really good receivers, you know, really special talented. You know,

1279
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: they they have a lot of speed at the skill

1280
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 1: skill positions. I think it can work. It's but also

1281
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: it's like, how did those two mesh at some point.

1282
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: You know, you're not kidding in terms of like character

1283
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: issues with So Patrino did well at a lower division

1284
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: school and then got the job in UNLV to be

1285
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator for Barry Otam and then when Jimbo

1286
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,479
Speaker 1: called him, I don't know if it was a month later,

1287
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, he jumped at it. It's Texas A and

1288
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: M and it is definitely an interesting dynamic to see

1289
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: how it works out. Because Jimbo, you know, he has

1290
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: a buy out that's near ninety million dollars, right, he

1291
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: has been a huge disappointment. He's had one good year there.

1292
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: He's been there a long time. He signed the highest

1293
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: ranked recruiting class in the history of like the internet

1294
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: rankings a year and a half ago, and that a

1295
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: lot of those kids are already gone, and so it's

1296
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: fascinating to see how it's going to work. Their schedule

1297
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: sets up really well. Week two, they have their only

1298
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: road game for like the first six weeks of the season.

1299
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: It's at Miami. Miami is also rebuilding. They're not that good.

1300
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: If they win the game against Miami at Miami, I

1301
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: think they have a real chance to get you know,

1302
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: get get out of the gate five and zero because

1303
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: everything else there is really winnable. And I think then

1304
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: they can get some momentum. Now if they stumble against

1305
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: that Miami team, I think the Buzzards are going to

1306
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: start to circle and you see, how do they deal

1307
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: with adversity. But you know, and you know, while we're

1308
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: talking about A and M, I do want to you know,

1309
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: one of one of the core guys there for a

1310
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,439
Speaker 1: long time, Terry Price. He was their defensive line coach,

1311
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: was a terrific player there and one of the best

1312
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: people you'd ever meet, like you know, just tragically passed

1313
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: away on Friday. And he was one of the few

1314
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: people who was like a to the artist through someone

1315
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: and they kept him, you know, he kept on as

1316
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: the defensive ends coach and just you know, the salt

1317
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: of the earth. Just an awesome dude. And in you know,

1318
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: it's in a way it was like, you know, you

1319
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: feel like like you have these other guys with you know, Jimbo,

1320
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: who's certainly polarizing, and Bobby Petrino, who's probably one of

1321
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: the least regard like I don't.

1322
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 5: Like he's liked.

1323
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like the coaches you'd hear the

1324
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 1: worst things about from coaches were basically Bobby Patrino and

1325
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: Todd Graham. And you know they now they added him

1326
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: with Jimbo, not not Ty Graham obviously, but and I

1327
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: just think, you know, that program has to be reeling

1328
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: because TP was.

1329
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 5: Such a such a beloved.

1330
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: Figure, you know, and and and you know thoughts to

1331
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: his family and to everybody he loved him because he

1332
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: he was awesome. But you know, you're back to you know,

1333
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: a m on the field. They have the pieces to

1334
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: work with. I think it's going to be interesting because

1335
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: again the sec west to me is you know that

1336
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 1: division or what has been you know, yeah, yeah, Alabama

1337
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: is still Alabama, but you got the Mississippi schools or

1338
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: are still sorting it out. Arkansas's you know, is better

1339
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: than what they were, but you know, you got Auburn's rebuilding.

1340
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: We got LSU, which I think is going strong. But

1341
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 1: like you know, if if Jimo goes eight and four,

1342
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: it's better than what they were last year.

1343
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 5: But when is he going to get it done? Right?

1344
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, this I don't want to say

1345
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: this is a desperate move, but it definitely feels like

1346
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 1: all right, you know, I'm I got to put all

1347
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: the chips on the table on this guy, and hopefully

1348
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: it's going to work out, and hopefully it's not going

1349
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: to implode, because it's either going to go great or

1350
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna go horrifically back.

1351
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 3: In some ways, in some ways quick follow up book.

1352
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 3: In some ways, do you think Jimbo needs if he

1353
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 3: can get the double digit wins? I think the best

1354
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 3: thing that's going to happen to him is that Texas

1355
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 3: is going into the SEC. Because at least you give

1356
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 3: your fans that, Like even if you if you stumble

1357
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,120
Speaker 3: and they've beaten Alabama, you know once, but you know,

1358
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 3: if you stumble inside and you lose to some of

1359
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 3: the SEC powers, but you just beat the stuffing out

1360
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 3: of Texas, it's almost in some ways you can still

1361
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 3: say it's, you know, okay, at least we got They

1362
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 3: don't even have that opportunity at this point in time,

1363
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 3: like you is it's we got to do some damage

1364
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 3: in the SEC, or this is a total failure with

1365
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 3: the resources they put into that. I almost think Texas

1366
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 3: going into that conference is almost a good thing for

1367
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 3: a and M.

1368
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: He better get you know, he better gets to that

1369
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: eight win Mark because that's the one place that may

1370
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: be able to find ninety million dollars in the seat cushions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, man, that is I got issues real quick

1372
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 4: because I'm so fascinated by Hugh Freeze and Auburn.

1373
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: Why would this work out for the war Eagle.

1374
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: Because Hugh Freeze is really good college play caller. He's

1375
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: really good with offense. I mean, you saw what he

1376
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: did with Malik Willis at Liberty. Malik Willis was kind

1377
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: of given up on, you know, at Auburn and he

1378
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: transferred there and it was terrific in that offense Hugh

1379
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: Freeze did he beat Saban multiple times when he was

1380
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: at Old Miss. Having been around and he has significant baggage,

1381
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: you know, some of the character stuff is creepy and

1382
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, as I don't want to say,

1383
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: it's not an easy hire for Auburn to make, but

1384
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: it's like he had there. Everybody knows Hugh Freeze issues

1385
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: and his baggage on the field, and not just on

1386
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: the field, but in terms of like having been around

1387
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: him because I did that recruiting book Meat Market where

1388
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: I was there around Olmos for two years and he

1389
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: was on staff, and you'd watch Hu Freeze get in

1390
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: front of the team when he was doing his portion

1391
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: of special teams. And he is a dynamic speaker, and

1392
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: he can really connect with players and he can get

1393
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: them believing, and I think he's a I do think

1394
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: he's a really good college football coach.

1395
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 5: And I think he has a really good feel for

1396
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 5: what it takes.

1397
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: Like if you told me that Hugh Freeze was going

1398
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: to be the offensive coordinator at at Texas A and

1399
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: M and this was never you know, thing as opposed

1400
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: to I'm like, I think he will get them rolling.

1401
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,959
Speaker 1: He just feel like has a good sense of what

1402
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 1: works and how to make it simple and how to

1403
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: make it translate.

1404
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 5: And I think he's a really good fit there.

1405
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: I suspect he will get Auburn back in the top

1406
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 1: twenty within before the end of twenty twenty four, if

1407
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: not sooner.

1408
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 5: Plus now they have the transfer portal.

1409
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: Like Peyton Thorne was at Michigan State, did some good things,

1410
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: then struggled a little bit.

1411
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 5: I mean, he'll be a lot better because.

1412
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: Of who is gonna who you know, where he's playing

1413
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: and who he's playing for. I think he's really got

1414
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,920
Speaker 1: also by the way Ron Roberts, the defense coordinator he

1415
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: got from Baylor.

1416
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 5: I mean, that's the guy's the guru to.

1417
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: A lot of you know, David Randa's old guy, a

1418
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: bunch of people, really really good defensive coordinator. That was

1419
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: a great get I think for Hugh Freeze to get

1420
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: him in there to run the defense.

1421
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 3: Arveruce, you've been generous with your time here. I'm gonna

1422
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 3: get you with one more than we get you out

1423
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 3: of here. But we've talked a lot about top quarterbacks,

1424
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 3: draft eligible quarterbacks. We've talked about coaches, we've talked about programs.

1425
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 3: Haven't hit you on this, but on the way out

1426
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 3: the door, just some freshmen. I know, you get a

1427
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 3: chance to get out and visit with guys making calls.

1428
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 3: Are there, are there? You know, throw out as many

1429
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 3: as you want, man three, four or five guys, but

1430
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: just freshmen you think that can step in and make

1431
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 3: big time impact.

1432
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: Right now, Well, we talked about Lincoln before. He's got

1433
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 1: a tight end who will be a huge problem for defenses.

1434
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: Induce Robinson and I feel like, I don't know, his

1435
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: dad might have been around your age, DJ. Maybe he's

1436
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: probably a little younger, but was a great Dominic was

1437
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: a great two sport athlete at Florida State and then

1438
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: I think he played for the Brewers. And his son

1439
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: is also a great baseball player. But he's six six,

1440
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: two thirty. I think, you know, we talked about the

1441
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: Freakslist for a minute. He's a twenty one plus mile

1442
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 1: per hour and the GPS. Just a marvelous all around athlete.

1443
01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: And again in that system, I think they will be

1444
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: able to showcase him and do some really cool things

1445
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 1: with him. And he's a true freshman. He's there now,

1446
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: but I think he has a chance to be really

1447
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: really special. You know again, like you got Kleb, you

1448
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: got speed receivers and every everything else.

1449
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: I think just a freshman receiver the other kid that

1450
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: they yeah.

1451
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 5: They love them, they love them.

1452
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, you lose Jordan Addison, lose

1453
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: Travis Dye, who's obviously a really good running back. They

1454
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: still have Mario Williams who transferred from OU with them

1455
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: as a different kind of receiver.

1456
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 5: I mean, they're not hurting for receivers.

1457
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: I know when you were talking about drafting Lincoln as

1458
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: where you did you look at the quarterback piece.

1459
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 5: If you're a receiver.

1460
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you're that's the place you're going to want

1461
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: to go because look's thrown to you, and look how

1462
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: they just scheme. You got a scheme, your you open right.

1463
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: So I would definitely put him high on the list.

1464
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: In terms of true freshmen, I think there's a couple

1465
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: other guys to watch, you know, certainly Dante Moore at UCLA.

1466
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 5: I mean, he's really accurate with a super quick release.

1467
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 5: I don't know if he's going to be the guy

1468
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 5: who starts the season, but I think and he's young too,

1469
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 5: He's like probably a year younger than most, you know,

1470
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 5: true freshman quarterbacks at this stage. But I think he

1471
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 5: will be one a name to remember. I think he's

1472
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 5: as talented as as any young quarterback that's that's coming

1473
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 5: into college football this year. You know, we talked a

1474
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 5: bit about Miami. They have bookend tackles who Mark Crius

1475
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 5: Stobol knows. Offensive lineman, he was one, obviously, he had

1476
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 5: Pane Sewell, who turned out to be a great player

1477
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 5: for Oregon. The two guys he's brought in on both

1478
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 5: sides I think have a chance.

1479
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to be much better on the

1480
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: offensive line because they took a.

1481
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 5: Transfer center from UCF.

1482
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: Matt Lee, who I suspect will be a well you know,

1483
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: is on the NFL's radar. Was the best offensive lineman

1484
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: certainly at UCF and maybe in that league. And now

1485
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: he's the center, and I think those two offensive tackles

1486
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: have a chance to be really, you know, really really good.

1487
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 3: I love it, Buck, anything else you want to get?

1488
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 3: I took Bruce so long today, man, but it was

1489
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 3: too much fun. I couldn't help myself.

1490
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 4: No, I'm gonna say my last questions for the next

1491
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 4: time he comes on. We have him on here for

1492
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 4: a long time. We got a beefy a beefy episode.

1493
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 4: But I love it, man, so much information and knowledge

1494
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 4: you got.

1495
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to pick your brain on these two cornerbacks

1496
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: from FAMU that I need to have on the Freaks List.

1497
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 5: So I'll leave you home.

1498
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: Wo hey.

1499
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 3: By the way, so everybody that's listening, and we talked

1500
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 3: about Freaks List all the time. When can we expect it? Bruce?

1501
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 5: So it's early August. I used to try to get

1502
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 5: it into July.

1503
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 1: And then interestingly enough, the cornerbacks, the Seahawks great young

1504
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: cornerback made me realize when he was at UTSA, you know,

1505
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: I need to have this. Probably it's best served for

1506
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: me to have it in early August. And the reason

1507
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: why is because when you get a six or four

1508
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 1: cornerback who runs like four two nine or whatever, and

1509
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, does all these crazy things, and the coach like,

1510
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm afraid you put him out there, somebody's gonna poach him.

1511
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: When's this running, I said, well, we're gonna run it,

1512
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: and like so basically by the time it's running, no

1513
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: one you know, he's in camp, no one's no one's

1514
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: getting anybody eligible if you if you jump, Because to me,

1515
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: that's been the best part of how the Freakslist has

1516
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,040
Speaker 1: grown is getting guys who are a little off the

1517
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: radar and coaches are like always like, hey, can you

1518
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 1: not mention this guy? I mean, that's one of the

1519
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 1: challenges where you want to sound smart and you go

1520
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: to see somebody like, hey, who is that guy? You like, Yeah,

1521
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: that's somebody I don't want you to talk about right now.

1522
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 3: You know, I already know the answer to this question

1523
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 3: because I can already imagine and I know what you'll

1524
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 3: say to it. But I got to ask it. Nonetheless,

1525
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 3: you have to get calls from coaches of like, hey,

1526
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 3: I'm at this big ten school. I just lost a

1527
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 3: corner he just left. Do you know any anybody under the.

1528
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 1: Radar corners that you might know about because all the PFF,

1529
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: like the database stuff. Now, these kids kind of blow

1530
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: up and and so everybody kind of knows about them.

1531
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. There was a there was an

1532
01:09:55,720 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 1: offensive lineman who I had never heard of, and one

1533
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: of the schools I was talking to, he was not

1534
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: in the portal, and they were like, if he goes in,

1535
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: he would be the number one guy on our board.

1536
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: So okay, And it's just like and this was like

1537
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: a school that's nowhere near where this kid lives or

1538
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 1: is from or any of it. And so I just

1539
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,919
Speaker 1: think these recruiting staffs, I don't want to say they're bloated,

1540
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: but they have so many people in them that they

1541
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: are doing all the legwork on this to do it.

1542
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: And that's that's become like a that's taken over the

1543
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: recruiting landscape of how they manage who's getting in here

1544
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 1: and who's not. But I will text you, guys the

1545
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: name of one of these guys who's like, Okay, this

1546
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: I would like to sound smart on but his coach

1547
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 1: doesn't want his name out there.

1548
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,559
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it. I've said last question

1549
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 3: fifty times, but I got to get this last one in.

1550
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 3: But I can help Avan Bruce is this It's too good.

1551
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 3: So I was talking to a coach other day who's

1552
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 3: at a mid major and this was gosh, I guess

1553
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 3: it was over the winner, and he had called one

1554
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 3: of his players in because they're they had a coach

1555
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 3: that had joined their staff from an SEC school. So

1556
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 3: he calls a player and says, hey, man, are you

1557
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 3: anything I need to know? Like are you entering into

1558
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 3: the transfer portal you want to leave? And he's like,

1559
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 3: uh no, coach, I don't know why would you say that?

1560
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 3: So well, we just hired a coach from this SEC

1561
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 3: school and on the recruiting board you're.

1562
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 6: Listed as committed. Sure enough, sure enough. A couple of

1563
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 6: days later, the kid, I guess you had to finish

1564
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 6: up his classes. He enters the portal, Bam, he's off

1565
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 6: to that SEC school. Before the kid had even entered

1566
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 6: the portal, he'd already he already committed to an SEC school.

1567
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:34,759
Speaker 6: But I mean like, you must hear some of the crime.

1568
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 6: You can't share them all, but you must hear some

1569
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 6: crazy stories with all this stuff going on right now.

1570
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did, Max Olson and I did this story

1571
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: on the Tampa Portal and all the things that are

1572
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: going on, And so the story was up maybe for

1573
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 1: a week and I got a call from a coach

1574
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: I've met before, but it's not somebody I know that well.

1575
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 5: And he left me like a two minute voicemail.

1576
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: He goes, hey, I got a story for you, like

1577
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: just to sure my you know that every coach seems

1578
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: to have one. Yeah, are last game of the season

1579
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: we played, And he goes, I had a guy who

1580
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: was not the best player in my room, but he's

1581
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: a good player. Started like a handful of games at

1582
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: the end of the year and he comes in. They

1583
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 1: were having almost not exit interviews, but like he said,

1584
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: I had each guy come in before they broke for

1585
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: a break, and he said he could tell the kid

1586
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: wanted to tell him something.

1587
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 5: He goes, anything else I need to know?

1588
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, I've gotten called by such and such.

1589
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,919
Speaker 1: They said they can get me two hundred thousand dollars,

1590
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: and so he goes, really he goes, you think it's

1591
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: a legit He goes, yeah, it's a legit guy. He goes, well,

1592
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,799
Speaker 1: you probably need to take it because we can't. Yeah,

1593
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,600
Speaker 1: he's like the guy you know that was it, you know,

1594
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: and it just like and this was within conference, and

1595
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: I think that's not that uncommon.

1596
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 5: It's just that's how it is.

1597
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: And look as I had, you know, in that story

1598
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: I mentioned there was a specific coach who said a

1599
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: position coach, and he was like, I'm not going to

1600
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: fault the player because he goes, I had a good

1601
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: job and then I got offered another good job that

1602
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: was going to pay me more, and I took it

1603
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: because it's better for me and my family. So how

1604
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: am I going to say anything to them when they're,

1605
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: you know, nineteen twenty years old and they're getting offered that.

1606
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's crazy. All right, Well, this has been a

1607
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 3: lot of fun. Bruce is the best Again. You can

1608
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 3: find him in the Fall on Fox The Best in

1609
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 3: the Business. You can also read his stuff on The Athletic.

1610
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 3: Be on the lookout for the Freaks list that'll be

1611
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 3: dropping in August. So, Bruce, we appreciate you. You are

1612
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 3: the best man. Thanks for all the time today.

1613
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 5: Always pleasure guys. Thanks for having me, all right.

1614
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 3: Buck, He's the best man. Anytime we get Bruce on,

1615
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 3: I always feel like, you know, we get a chance

1616
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 3: to learn something. I thought it'd be a great opportunity,

1617
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 3: just kind of over the summer, a little bit of

1618
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,360
Speaker 3: a preview, little college football preview as we head towards

1619
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:46,759
Speaker 3: the season.

1620
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 2: He is absolutely one of the best. He has his

1621
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: ear industry.

1622
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 4: He knows everything when it comes from high school to

1623
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 4: the end of college and even to the pros.

1624
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 2: He knows so many people.

1625
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 4: We have so much access, and it's always great to

1626
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 4: have because I think he adds some insight and perspective

1627
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 4: that we certainly can't get with the other people.

1628
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 3: And I know we have folks that listen to us

1629
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 3: that love the NFL, are passionate about the NFL. The

1630
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 3: good thing is you're going to hear some of these

1631
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 3: names we talked about today as we go towards the

1632
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,120
Speaker 3: draft next year. You'll start learn about those guys a

1633
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 3: little early here on the pod. We'll definitely circle back.

1634
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 3: We'll get back into the NFL on the next episode,

1635
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 3: but this was a fun detour here as we look

1636
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 3: at some of the top college football players and teams

1637
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 3: heading into next season. All right, that's going to do

1638
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 3: it for I appreciate you hanging with us. We'll catch

1639
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 3: you next time. Right here on, move the sticks.