1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: Pack twelve commissioned to task force in order to find 2 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: a way for smart change in college athletics, and they've 3 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: released their findings and this is right before the n 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: c A tournament. The PAC twelve task force recommended changing 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: NA rules who allow players who are drafted to remain 6 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: eligible to play in college basketball they don't sign a 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: pro contract, allow them while in school to get advice 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: from agents. Also, similar to n c A rules for 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: college baseball players, also allow schools to pay for expenses 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: for athletes families in cases of demonstrated financial aid. They 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: want to hold regional combines in July. The coaches could 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: attend these for recruiting purposes, but would be prohibit it 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: from attending traditional AU tournaments held during the same month. 14 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: That's interesting, trying to eliminate AU or the or or 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, the meat market idea of AU um expanding 16 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: the number of visits five year junior year, five year 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: seen year to make it more maybe well rounded decision 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: to farm out the n c's enforcement process, create the 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: educational seminars and mentoring programs for recruits in their families, 20 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: require full disclosure of contracts between schools, coaches, and shoe companies. 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: That's fascinating as well. Let's welcome in Larry Sky's Commissioner 22 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: of the Pack twelve. Um. Look, there's a bunch of 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: findings that your task force found. What do you think 24 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: is the easiest to implement? Well, the easiest implement are 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: the ones that the can control. You know, we're calling 26 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: on the NBA and NBA Players Associate should do some 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: things too. Um. So I would say, you know, the 28 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 1: recruiting calendar, the recruiting rules, uh, educational efforts, things of 29 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: that nature are completely within the control of the schools 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: and it's just a question of the will to do 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: these things and throwing the resources at it and making 32 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: a commitment. So you know, a lot of things in 33 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: there um are very doable and doable in a reasonably 34 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: short period of time. I think the most complicated are 35 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: the ones where we need the NBA and NBA Players 36 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: Association to step up and be part of the solution. 37 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: All right. Well, that that's in regards to the one 38 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: and done. It's commonly misassociated with the n c A, 39 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: and that's really that's an NBA and NBA p A 40 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: collectively bargained upon rule that you have to go to 41 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: school for one year or um or you know, be 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: than be nineteen years old. In order to apply for 43 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: the NBA draft, you can't go to the G League 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: straight out of of high school, play for a year 45 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: before applying for the NBA draft. Let me play for you, Larry. 46 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: Something that Steve Kerr said last week, a simple solution 47 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: he found he found that could could help make the 48 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: entire situation better. I also think one of the things 49 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: the n c A needs to look at is if 50 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: a kid signs with an agent and declares for the 51 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: draft and he doesn't get drafted, welcome him back. You know, 52 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: why not, what's the what's the harm? You know, we're 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna talk about all this so, you know, 54 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: amateurism and all of stuff. But if we're truly trying 55 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: to do the right thing for the kids, a kid 56 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: declares for the draft and doesn't doesn't get drafted and realizes, 57 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: you know what, I should go to college, welcome him back. 58 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: Do something good for the kids, and and uh, don't 59 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: just kind of keep this ruse going. It's you know, 60 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: it's we all know what's going on, and let's do 61 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: what's best for the kids and give them some options 62 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: and work together between the NBA and the engine and 63 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: find the right system. I think it's entirely doable if 64 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: everybody just opens her eyes. Larry, do you agree or disagree? 65 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: Completely agree? And so we've incorporated steep suggestion in our recommendation. 66 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: I've spoken to him about it, and I consider Steve 67 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: Kerr one of the most thoughtful leaders, certainly in basketball 68 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: and very influential. So in our recommended reforms, you know, 69 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: we want the NBNAB Player Associate to give these young 70 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,839 Speaker 1: men a choice. Let them declare for the draft out 71 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: of high school. But if they wind up not being 72 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: drafted as high as they think, and you know, there 73 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: are a lot of a lot of kids out there 74 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: that have an overinflated sense of their ability and might 75 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: think they're gonna go high in the draft and they 76 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: find out they're drafted low or maybe a G League 77 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: player or an NBA player. We're proposing the rules allow 78 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: them if they don't sign a contract go play for 79 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: a team, would allow them to maintain their eligibility and 80 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: choose to be a student athlete instead. Then if they 81 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 1: come to college, that's great, like baseball, like football. After 82 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: their junior year, they can go out for the draft again. 83 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: So we've incorporated Steve's suggestions into our proposals. Okay, Well, 84 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 1: he also said I believe he also mentioned that if 85 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: you are in college and you declare for the draft 86 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: and you didn't get drafted, you could then come back. 87 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: Is that because the problem with that, and even the 88 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: problem with declaring for the for the draft and then 89 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: going to school is the timelines all screwy, right, Like 90 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: if you're a coach. If you're a coach, you're the 91 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: drafts not until the end of June, after the NBA playoffs, 92 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: and you know you're you gotta have everybody on campus. 93 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: Many teams have kids on campus in the summer getting 94 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,679 Speaker 1: ready for their freshman year. If not, you're on campus 95 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: in August into September. But you gotta know who you're 96 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: gonna have, who you're not gonna have. How do you 97 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: how do you alleviate that part of the issue. Well, yeah, 98 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: this is no small gift by the n c A 99 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: and and the schools made all rereak havoc for our 100 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: coaches and trying to figure out what their rosters like 101 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: how to allocate their scholarships. Uh, but you know, I 102 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: think we're at the point where we have to look 103 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: at this from the student athletes perspective and doing what's right. 104 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: And you know, coaches will adapt. They won't like it, 105 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 1: but they'll have to adapt. I guess my thought is, Larry, 106 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: and you know, having an agent is the kids have 107 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: the information. They just oftentimes, like most of us when 108 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: we are that age, we choose to not use it 109 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: right Like I understand it's you know that you can 110 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: tell them you're not gonna get drafted, you're not gonna 111 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: get drafted, you shouldn't put your name in the draft, 112 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: but they do it anyway. Um, and we're talking about 113 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: such a small number of student athletes now as opposed 114 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: to the larger number. I understand that social media and 115 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: the media itself will tell you to adjust, but is 116 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: it really that necessary. Well, there's also a lot of people, 117 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of um, you know, first 118 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: class agents out there doing the right thing. Given the 119 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: kids great information, accurate information, some of them won't listen 120 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: to it. But there's also a lot of people out 121 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: there that uh, you know, aren't don't necessarily have the 122 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: kid's best interests at heart, that are persuading them to 123 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: go telling them what they want to hear. We don't 124 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: want kids to um make bad choices, make mistakes, and 125 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: forego the possibility of an education because they made a 126 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: mistake or made a poor choice. So I don't know 127 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: exactly how we're going to have to adjust our system 128 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,720 Speaker 1: to allow them to come back to school and maintain 129 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: their eligibility if they don't find out till you know, 130 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: late in the spring that they've got a kid actually 131 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: coming back that they thought was going to the NBA. 132 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: But I think we can figure it out. You are 133 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: not and the task forces, they're not proponents of either 134 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: pay for play or or of the Olympic model. Correct, 135 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: absolutely not pay for play. I mean we the past 136 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: Force States still firmly believe in the collegiate model. Believe 137 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: it should be students not employees. UM. You know, would 138 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: like to see the NBA build up the G League 139 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: so that if you want to get paid to play basketball, 140 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: go play in the NBA or go play in a 141 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: minor league you know that pays you decently in the 142 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: G League. That's the role of the NBA. The role 143 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: of college sports is to educate young men and women 144 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: and if they want to come not to get paid, 145 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: so um firmly on that side. Uh, these are the 146 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: Olympic model. Some ideas have been floated around that it 147 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: was not part of the mandate of our committee because 148 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: as you know, Doug, it's currently being litigated, so we're 149 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: not floating ideas and something that's in the courts right now. 150 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: Larry Scott joining us. Last thing I I can't help 151 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: but but but bring up the fact USC did finish 152 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: in second place in your league, did get left out 153 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: of the n c A tournament. Should be pointed out 154 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: that while they played really well, they were swept by 155 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: u c l A. They did they didn't beat Arizona. 156 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: They didn't beat Arizona State. And because you didn't, you 157 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: don't have the you don't have even schedules. You know, 158 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: you're not playing everyone twice. Second place can be a 159 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: little bit disingenuous because you're not you're not playing as 160 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: difficult to schedule in some cases as other teams. How 161 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: much of this do you think comes from the FBI investigation? 162 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: How much of it do you think comes from being 163 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: the pack twelve and time zone? I'm wondering, now, do 164 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: you have a chance to catch your breath? And think 165 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: about usc s exclusion from the n c A tournament 166 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: and some of the four seeds. Arizona wins, your league wins, 167 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: the league tournament only gets a four seed. What you 168 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: think is behind the league being viewed as such? Yeah, 169 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: I look, I've heard what the chairman the committee had 170 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: to say. It's spoken to some other other people. I've 171 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: got no reason to believe that, you know, the issues 172 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: around USC and their assistant coach had anything to do 173 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: with it. Likewise, for Arizona, I think the committee chairman 174 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: gave a clear explanation as to what they were looking at. 175 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: They placed a lot of value on nonconference wins against 176 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: teams that were in the tournament. USC didn't have a 177 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: lot of those, but they did have an impressive performance 178 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: within our conference, UM and so and and as a result. 179 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: You know, I don't think it's a PAC twelve issue 180 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: because while USC was disrespected in their conference performance was 181 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: not valued. Arizona State got in the tournament, and Arizona 182 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: State was the ACE team in our league. I don't 183 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: hear anyone saying, you know, wow, the PAC twelve was 184 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: really inflated in their value because their ACE team got in. 185 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: I think the committee has been consistent in valuing higher 186 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: um individual wins you had against tournament teams, especially if 187 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: they were away or neutral site, and I think they 188 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: consistently applied that. The conclusion I'm left with dougs. I 189 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: don't like the criteria that they used. I think I 190 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: think the pendulum has swung a little bit too far. 191 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: I think big wins in November compared to who are 192 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: the best teams in the country come March UM ought 193 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: to be recalibrated. You know, I watched these teams all year, 194 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: and if you watch USC during our tournament, you know 195 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: where they were dominant on their way to the championship game. 196 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: They were beating Arizona, who you know is a Final 197 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: Four caliber team. They were beating Arizona and a halftime 198 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean, they look like a tournament team for anyone 199 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: that watched them. So UM, I don't quibble with the 200 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: decisions the committee made and the explanations. UM, I'm gonna 201 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 1: look forward and we're going to engage in a conversation 202 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: about tweaking the criteria because I do think there should 203 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: be higher value on the complete body of work and 204 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: how you look in March going into March madness compared 205 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: to six months prior, catching teams at the beginning of 206 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: their season. What about spanning the number of of of 207 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: of conference games. UH, that is something we have put 208 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: on the table and I would like to see happen. 209 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: I'd like to see our teams play each other more, 210 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: have less of this imbalanced schedule. Especially you know sometimes 211 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: our teams have to buy buy teams to come in 212 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: and play against them. I think it's better for the 213 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: student athletes, better for our fans, better for the strength 214 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: of our conference to play more against each other. So 215 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna be evaluing whether we move from eighteen to 216 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: twenty conference games. Great stuff, Larry Scott. The task force 217 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: UH findings have been released. You can find those online. Larry. 218 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: Look forward to seeing u c. L A play obviously, 219 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: get a chance to see Arizona play a little bit 220 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: later on this week. Best of luck to your conference, 221 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: and thanks for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.