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Speaker 1: I los nandas Pe. Hey boo, it's me Roz and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Ghosted by Roz Hernandez, the podcast where I

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Speaker 1: talk to people that I like about the paranormal. I

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Speaker 1: I have been so busy at work trying to pull

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Speaker 1: together a tour where I'm going to be going to

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Speaker 1: it because it's opening up all these different markets, you know,

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Speaker 1: go or so far, I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: adding more as we go on. Those are all at

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Speaker 1: Razhernandez tour dot com. But today on the podcast, now listen.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've talked about this many times. My inboxes

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Speaker 1: and just being completely honest with you. I know I've

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Speaker 1: this podcast when I have on people that have their

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Speaker 1: We are joined by Brie Luna the hood Witch. Hi. Hi,

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Speaker 1: how'd you get that name?

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Speaker 2: So I have grown up. I've learned a lot from

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Speaker 2: The two Southern witches. Yeah, my grandmother was very much

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Speaker 2: joking night, No, that's what makes this story so much crazier.

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Speaker 1: I'm the photo. Can I pull it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And is it okay with you? If we put

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Speaker 2: Yes? Put it. Everyone needs to see it.

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Speaker 2: So the first photo, I am the one holding my

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Speaker 2: So we're snapping off the photos and at the time

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Speaker 2: there is a mirror. There is a door to the back,

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Speaker 1: It was just that woman in that Wait, where's the woman?

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Speaker 2: She's like right there where you're at.

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Speaker 1: Oh that lady. Okay, wait wait, so that hand is

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Speaker 2: No, so that's the thing. It looks like from my

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Speaker 2: It started making me think. I was like, well, if

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Speaker 2: And I was like, well what if And my friends

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Speaker 2: And I was like, well, what if she and her

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Speaker 2: You're drunk, like, let's go home. And you see her friend.

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Speaker 2: You see this other hand, this white hand coming out

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Speaker 1: You have a part down the middle. Is that what

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Speaker 2: It looks like a swoop like it's kind of like

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Speaker 2: So do you see it with your cursor? Like move it?

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Speaker 2: What is that face? That's her white face? And you

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Speaker 2: like examined this photo so many times. I have like

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Speaker 1: Did he say anything?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to his museum. He's like blown away,

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Speaker 2: challenge this. I have the phone, the metadata, I have everything, baby,

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Speaker 2: Like we can put it into forensic styles.

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Speaker 1: I can see something. I just can't tell her features.

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Speaker 2: So okay, can you go around like girl, scroll down

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Speaker 1: I know, I see.

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Speaker 2: It's a body. It's gray. It's like it's translucent, it's gray.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've had people study this image who teach

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Speaker 2: like I've said, I've always just like wanted help or

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Speaker 2: because I was like, you guys, there is a freaking

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Speaker 2: didn't deny that it was like a possibility, you know totally.

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Speaker 1: I completely is that downtown, Yes, it's downtown. Yeah, all

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Speaker 1: those buildings are haunted for sure. Oh my god. The

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Speaker 2: Old white lady in the bathroom right up night time access.

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Speaker 1: What I was thinking was that, Okay, like you can

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Speaker 1: the middle. And then right by your friend holding the

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Speaker 1: little Martini glass, right where her shoulder is, you could

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Speaker 1: see like a nose and then eyes. I was thinking

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Speaker 2: No, her nose. Her eyebrow is right where Jihnny's shoulder is,

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Speaker 1: That's an eyebrow. It's like the browbone.

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Speaker 2: But yes, that's what exactly Okay, the bone.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she's it's her side profile.

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Speaker 2: It's her profile because she's walking towards the mirror.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now I see her. So her skin is that

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Speaker 1: kind of weird people? Yeah, okay, now pull out a

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Speaker 2: Now look down at the body. Scroll down, like look

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: But the hand is so disgusting if you zoom on

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Speaker 2: the hand, it's so gross.

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Speaker 1: The way to the Can I tell you how.

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Speaker 2: Many nightmares I've had zoom. What is it holding? What

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Speaker 2: if it's like cemetery dirt? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so creepy. But I'm obsessed with

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Speaker 1: this old lady being like, no, I want to go

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Speaker 1: we gotta go.

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Speaker 2: When I tell you, it truly was like the most

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Speaker 2: best time that it was like, it was amazing.

434
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: So the skeptics might be like, is it a discoloration

435
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: in the wood behind you?

436
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: My dad tried to say that when I was like, oh,

437
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: like maybe it's just a glare from the like like, like, baby,

438
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: when have you ever seen a glare with the shape

439
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: of a woman's head? And where the fuck did the

440
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: hand come from? I showed my dad I like I

441
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: showed him all of the series and like I said,

442
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: I am willing to have anybody who challenges my photo.

443
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: We can go to forensics, we can go to forensic files,

444
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: we can test it, we can do I don't care.

445
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: It's like this photo truly has proof that there is

446
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: something and it maybe if you don't even believe in

447
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: ghosts or spirits, then do you believe in multi dimensions?

448
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 2: Do you believe in like other dimensions are like alternate reality.

449
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I couldn't even explain it because

450
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: I'm not like some quantum you know what I mean,

451
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: like quantum physicshit going on, but like truly like this

452
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 2: is another timeline, like overlapping.

453
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: I want you to go back there and try to

454
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: find it.

455
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: I do too.

456
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 1: How long ago was this?

457
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: This was in I believe twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen.

458
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 2: I also look and see I think it was twenty fifteen.

459
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: I love it.

460
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: I've been ranting and raving about it ever since, because

461
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 2: you know how it is like when people are like, oh,

462
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 2: I have a ghost photo, and then it's like some

463
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: obscure like blob of a fake.

464
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: Like what is like girl now the holy ground? What

465
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: we all want is the full body apparition.

466
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 2: I have the full body apparition. I have a disembodied hand.

467
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: With nail polish on, and she has no.

468
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: Polish, And I'm like, you can look at our hands,

469
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: you can look at everything. It's like we don't. I

470
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: have stiletto nails, Like that's been my trademark look for

471
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: the past decade.

472
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: So I love it. Do you have other ghost stories?

473
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 2: I do. I mean they all have to do with

474
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: bars in Los Angeles.

475
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: Hell, Yes, I love it.

476
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: LA is a very uh It's a beautiful and spooky place.

477
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: And I feel like I was telling my literary agent,

478
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: I want to make a book about all of these

479
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: like haunted and very special places in Los Angeles, and

480
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: he's like, I will think about it, like you know,

481
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: and I'm like, people want to hear it.

482
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: Tom, Well, there's so many interesting kind of ghosts in LA.

483
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: You know. There's like a lot of movie star or

484
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: aspiring movie star types. There's creative types, there's mob people.

485
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: You know, there's really interesting ghosts.

486
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: There's a lot of Like I mean, the history in

487
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: and of itself is just it's really fascinating. And my family,

488
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: you know, and my grandparents and things like that, like

489
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: have lived in Los Angeles for over one hundred years.

490
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: Wow.

491
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: So I have a lineage in California like in Los Angeles,

492
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: and so I just feel so grounded and so connected

493
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 2: and I feel so protected when I'm there, which is

494
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: like different from you know, when a lot of people

495
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: come to LA, they're like, oh, it's so fake and

496
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: everyone's just so shallow and blah blah. But that's because

497
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: you only stick to like one small group of people,

498
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: and you know, you're like a transplant. You don't really

499
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: understand the culture. You don't really go outside of your bubble.

500
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: So that's something I always challenge people who moved to

501
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: Los Angeles. It's like, get outside of your comfort bubble.

502
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: Go to areas outside of like you know, Silver Lake

503
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: and like whatever, you know, like Hollywood and all these things.

504
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: It's like, go to like real places and understand where

505
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: you're at and at least do some research on the history.

506
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: So anyway, another story, there's a bar and called Dirty

507
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: Laundry and it's in LA and that place is super

508
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: haunted too. It was like a speakeasy. It's kind of

509
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: like a speakeasy. I don't even know if they're still

510
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: in business.

511
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: Where is that downtown? I'm looking a up right now.

512
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: I don't know where it's at. I'm like I was drunk,

513
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: Like I was like really drunk, and I went there.

514
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: Well, they got a website and looks like they're still open.

515
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: It says it's a seventeen twenty five North Hudson's. Okay,

516
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: so it seems like maybe Hollywood. So you're drunk, You're

517
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: at this place called Dirty Laundry.

518
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I go there with the same group of girls,

519
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: and that's where we started laughing. We're like, maybe we

520
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: have like the coven energy of the ghost untresses. Yes,

521
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: but one of my girlfriends was going to like meet

522
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: with some guy that she like met off of whatever

523
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: app and so we go there. We're like having cocktails,

524
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: having the best time, and there's this room. There's an

525
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: area that's like sectioned off now because I went recently

526
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: and it's closed off. They no longer allowed people to

527
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: be in that room. And so we're in that room.

528
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 2: I'm laying on this like chase lounge, and I asked

529
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: my friend to take a photo of me. So she

530
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: takes a photo, and then there's one we have like

531
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 2: a really cool chandelier hanging above the top of the ceiling.

532
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: So I'm standing there and I'm like drunk and like

533
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: having fun, and so she's taking all these photos of me.

534
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: Yet again, go home sober up, look at the photos

535
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, there's an orb, and you

536
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: see it move from the bookshelf to sitting next to me.

537
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: And then when you look at the photo of me

538
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: standing up underneath this chandelier, there is an orb on

539
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: my crotch and then on the side of me. And

540
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: so I was dying laughing. But that night, I specifically

541
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: remember that was the first time I had ever seen

542
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: a black shadow figure of a Christen. And so he

543
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: was in the corner of the room that we were in,

544
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: and it was just us because we were taking photos

545
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 2: in there, you know, like trying to be cute. So

546
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: we like took we were taking our little photo shoot

547
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: in that room, and I look over and I saw

548
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: this fire of a like a black figure of a man,

549
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: and I look at him and I said hey, and

550
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: he just who He looked back and dropped into the

551
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: ground because he was shook.

552
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: I said, hey, he thought he was just creeping, and

553
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: then he said, oh, no, you can see me.

554
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: Yes, he was, like it was creepy as shit. Like

555
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: I had never in my life up until that point,

556
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: I have never seen like a shadowed figure in my

557
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: entire life, of my ghostly little life of seeing like apparitions,

558
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: seeing weird things, I've never seen anything like that in

559
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: my life, and it was so freaky. But apparently I'm

560
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: not the only person that has seen that in that room,

561
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 2: because again, they don't open that room to the public anymore.

562
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: It's not open, it's they close it off.

563
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: How do you interpret something like that, like why does

564
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: it look different than like an apparition of a human

565
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: Do you think it's like a different kind of energy or.

566
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: I definitely do, because when we're thinking about it, like

567
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: the location, So we're in a bar, and generally at

568
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: most bars are haunted. I'm using that word like very loosely,

569
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 2: and I don't mean it like in some like Pultzter

570
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: Guys type of way, but sometimes, yes, a Poulter Guys

571
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: type of way. But most bars are haunted because we

572
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: think of the people, and we think about the energy

573
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: that collects in those spaces. Oftentimes you have people who

574
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 2: are going through really serious traumas. We have people who

575
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: are drinking to get away, drinking to celebrate. You know,

576
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: whenever we have the spirits when we think of alcohol,

577
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 2: those are spirits. And why do we have spirits in

578
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: certain spiritual ritual traditions, It is because it does connect

579
00:34:54,080 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: you to a another realm. It allows access into your

580
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: human vessel. When we talk about possession, oftentimes when people say,

581
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: oh my god, I went out, I was drinking and

582
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: I blacked out, I don't remember anything. I don't know

583
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: what happened. Aside from the science of things, you do

584
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: have earth bound entities. You do have spirits that can

585
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 2: inhabit your vessel while you're drunk. So there is that

586
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: whole situation where some people argue with you, like, no, no, no,

587
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: you're just drunk. It's science, it is you know there,

588
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 2: it's alcohol. When you drink. Yes, you're gonna be less inhibited.

589
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: Bad things are gonna happen, are things that you just

590
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: wouldn't ordinarily do out of character for you. However, spiritually,

591
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: if you know, for the people who don't believe in

592
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: the spiritual part, stop listening. But for the witches and

593
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: for the people who are, you know, maybe a little

594
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: bit more curious, spirits do connect to you. We have libations,

595
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: we leave offerings of spirits, tequila, mezcal, jin rum, we

596
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: use all of those things. I went to a Haitian

597
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 2: voodoo ceremony and they also have a drink that is

598
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: made for the GeTe so during fet GeTe, which is

599
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 2: around the time of did Los Mortos, it's like during

600
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 2: these times of the dead, October, the end of October,

601
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 2: during Sourin, so it's like during the time of the

602
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: dead honoring the dead. At this Haitian voodoo ceremony that

603
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: I went to in New Orleans, they had a drink.

604
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, guys, I don't remember the name of it.

605
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: If I'm butchering this, I'm sorry, but like that's okay.

606
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: There is a drink in Haiti that is made during

607
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: the GeTe ceremonies, and it's where you put lots of

608
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: burning hot peppers and they soak them in alcohol. And

609
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 2: so once you become mounted or possessed by the spirits,

610
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: by the loa, you're able to drink this hot pepper

611
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: alcohol that if you're not mounted, if you're not possessed

612
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: with these spirits, or you're not embodying these spirits, it

613
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: will literally burn a hole through your tongue and you

614
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: can you can search this. This is this is very real.

615
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: You have to be possessed in embodying these spirits. Papagee,

616
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: the gety spirits are those who watch over the grave

617
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 2: and over the graveyard, and they love to celebrate death

618
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: and they're festive and they're fun and they're like wild.

619
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: So when you're drinking this alcohol, you you won't get burned.

620
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 2: Your tongue is not gonna get burned. Like it's it's

621
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 2: almost as if you're just drinking regular alcohol.

622
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: WHOA.

623
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: So there is that connection on what I'm basically like

624
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 2: roundabout way of saying that alcohol has such a history,

625
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: you know, with spirits, Why we leave libations on our altars,

626
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: Why we leave libations to summon spirits and specific entities

627
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: and when you're working with them and leaving them as

628
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: an offering of gratitude and as a you know, honoring

629
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: of respect. But I do think it is important for

630
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: people to understand when you go to bars, there is

631
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: a lot of low energy, a lot of darker is

632
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: what people see, like darker energies, because we do have

633
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: that attachment just because and I think it's important for

634
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 2: people to know just because you die does not mean

635
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 2: you're going to become some elevated angelic spirit. Some people

636
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: still stay being a piece of shit, or like if

637
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: you suffer it with alcoholism, if you suffer it with

638
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: drug addiction and you die and you're an alcoholic, or

639
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: you die of cirrhosis of the liver. Where else would

640
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 2: you want to be? I'm going at the bar, so drink,

641
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: And why would you not want to have that chance

642
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: of having a vessel to take hold of, to possess,

643
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: or to take control of. If you see them leaving

644
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: their vessel, leaving their body, it's very easy for an

645
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: entity who is very I guess you would say like low.

646
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 2: I don't want to say like low vibration because I

647
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 2: don't I also don't want to put a stigma that like, oh,

648
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 2: if you're an alcoholic, you're going to have a low

649
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: vibration and be like stuck at a bar. That's not

650
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I'm saying that we all know, you

651
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: know that there are certain people who are living that

652
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: are assholes and just so happen to be alcoholics, and

653
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: they like being in these spaces. So why would they not,

654
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: you know, want to continue on in the afterlife. That's

655
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: all I'm saying.

656
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: What about not even necessarily an afterlife thing? But if

657
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: somebody is in a low place and they're at a bar,

658
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: do you believe that their bad energy can be left there? Afterwards,

659
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: or you know, kind of a like a spiritual fart

660
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: lingering in the air.

661
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I'm almost getting at, where it's just

662
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: like we all have encountered it in real waking life.

663
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: You meet someone who is just so exhausting, it's like

664
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: energy vampire, and then when you're drinking with them, it's like,

665
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: oh god, it just gets worse because and it's like

666
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: they start crying and it's like you hear every sad story.

667
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: Then my wife left me, and my kids don't love

668
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 2: me anymore and everybody hates me, and woe is me?

669
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 2: And I need to keep drinking. And imagine you're the bartender.

670
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: I think most bartenders will get this where it's like

671
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: if you work, even in like the service industry, we

672
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: encounter so many people that are just so incredibly draining,

673
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: and so imagine when you die, it doesn't elevate you,

674
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 2: like you're not going to become this like magical angel.

675
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: Some people get stuck in that rut of just being

676
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: earth bound entities, and it goes also into using like

677
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: you know, seances and Ouiji boards and da da da

678
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: da da, We're gonna go on all day where it's

679
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: like who are you connecting with, who is earth bound?

680
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: Who is not elevated? And there are some spiritual practices

681
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 2: that you can do to elevate your family members or

682
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: people who may have not had a great life that

683
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 2: like have passed on, even just by like honoring them,

684
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: putting them on a place in the altar. You know,

685
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: like there's certain things that you can do for them.

686
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: When you talk about leaving alcohol at altars for spirits,

687
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: do you think in future generations they're going to be

688
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: leaving like Fireball or like White Claw.

689
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I would encourage I want them to. I told

690
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 2: my son. I was like, if you don't build me

691
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: the most decadent altar ever with. I want ship and pain,

692
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: I want perfume. I want food. I'm a Taurus. I

693
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: want the works. Okay, I want food, wine, drinks, hedonism.

694
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 2: I want every sexy gothic babe at my tombstone taking photos.

695
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: I want a photo shoot. It's like, girl, take all

696
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: the photos.

697
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, tell me about your book.

698
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: So my book was released on Halloween and it's called

699
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: Blood Sex Magic. It's released through Harper One and it's

700
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: just it's my baby. It's my first well not my

701
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: first baby. My second baby. It's my second baby, but no.

702
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 2: My book is titled Blood Sex Magic, and it is

703
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: a collection of stories, spells and just practical ways of

704
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 2: utilizing magic and terot spreads, and honestly, it was like

705
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: it's my first book, and I just I feel like

706
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: there's still so much more that like I want to

707
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: say and like I want to do. But I love

708
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: this book so much because of the art. It's like

709
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 2: it's it's very visually stunning and beautiful, and I take

710
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: so much pride in it because I designed it. Like

711
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of major publishers that will allow

712
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: you to do like a full color book that I

713
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: got to design and really like make it my, you know,

714
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: my my own. And I was very adamant on that

715
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: because I like to call myself a visual storyteller and

716
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 2: I really take my art and my vision seriously. So

717
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: that was something that was like a non negotiable for me.

718
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: Congratulations, Yeah, tell me about sex Magic.

719
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: Sex Magic. What do you want to start?

720
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: So this is stuff that you cover in the book

721
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: Sex Magic.

722
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: So I didn't want to go like too crazy because

723
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: for me, like I think that there is an amount

724
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: of responsibility that you have whatever, like if you're sharing

725
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: bills or if you're sharing any type of magical work.

726
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 2: So I wanted to share with maybe people who are

727
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: like a novice or you know, like just getting into

728
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: their magical practice, or maybe they're curious. So to me,

729
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: this is more along the lines of like an intro

730
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: to sex magic for a person who may not have

731
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: really any like understanding of what that is. And so

732
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: for my readers, I just give them a basic intro

733
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: of how to work with your sexual energy, how to

734
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 2: channel your sexual energy to I guess I hate using

735
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: this word, but I'm going to do it, guys, to

736
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: manifest your intention to work with the power of your

737
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 2: sexual energy and creating what it is that you want.

738
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 2: So I do discuss in a very practical manner where

739
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: it's like, no, you're not going to get like a

740
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: new car just because you like fuck some guy and

741
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: you're like you're like, oh yeah, I mean actually you

742
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: probably could get a new car. Okay, let meet us.

743
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: Guy's got a lot of money, maybe get.

744
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: You yes, So let me us start all over with that,

745
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: because you can manifest anything that you want using your

746
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: sexual energy and your sexual power as long as it's consensual,

747
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: So that's a huge thing too. I'm very big obviously,

748
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: everyone should be very big on consent. So consensual sexual

749
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: magic and raising your vibration and really just like manifesting

750
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 2: what it is that you want using the power of

751
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: your sexual energy.

752
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: And that's something that you can do alone or with

753
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: one person or a group of people, right, Like, Yes,

754
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: I had a person one time on a dating app.

755
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: Their profiles said that they were looking for someone to

756
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: do sex magic with, and I was like, what is that? Like,

757
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: tell me more, and then they were like sort of

758
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: just telling me about it. But I was like, I

759
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: don't know if I want to do this with some

760
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: complete stranger, but I was just curious like about it.

761
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: So I absolutely would not practice sex magic with a

762
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,839
Speaker 2: complete stranger unless I was the one that was in

763
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: control of what the intent was, right, But I probably

764
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't let them know. And I think to some degree,

765
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: you know, as witches, what depends on what kind of

766
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: which you are. I can be a little bit of

767
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 2: a naughty witch, So what does that mean, you know,

768
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: if you're dating and you're like harnessing that energy, if

769
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: you're I think this is why even with like my

770
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 2: girls and friends who are sexual sex workers. I think

771
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: that most sex workers are like the biggest and most

772
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: powerful witches because they know how to enchant, they know

773
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: the subconscious of most of their clients, they know how

774
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: to get money, they know how to they know the

775
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: human psyche on a deeper level than like your average

776
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 2: like layman could ever understand or like really know. So

777
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 2: I do think that some of my friends who are

778
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: practicing sex switches and sex workers shout out to them

779
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: because they're getting that money get into the bag. And

780
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: also like enchanting.

781
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I just find it a really fascinating thing

782
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: that I don't think has ever come up on this

783
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: podcast sex Magic.

784
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: I love it. I mean. And also in the book,

785
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: I put a pretty controversial spell in the book, and

786
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 2: it's the paneity, which is a very powerful love spell

787
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: that you used your dirty panties or you're used underwear,

788
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: and you'll make a tea out of it. Okay, in

789
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 2: South America and also in southern North America, it's a

790
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: very popular thing within even like Caribbean people. They know this.

791
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 2: So you make the panty tea. You're supposed to wear

792
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: the panties. You can't wear black underwear. When you do this, FYI,

793
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: no black panties. They need to be pink or red,

794
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: which correspond to like love, lust, beauty, all those things.

795
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 2: So you're gonna take those panties. You're gonna wear them

796
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: for three to seven days. I know everyone's be like,

797
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is disgusting.

798
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: That the same for three to seven days.

799
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: Yes, but but you're gonna do it after you take

800
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: a bath. Because these are your magic You're little magical panties.

801
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: These are your seduction panties. So you don't wear them

802
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: every day. I mean, you can't make them funky now,

803
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: like you can keep it funky if you want to

804
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: wear it. You want little tints, little twang to it,

805
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: you can't wear them. Okay, it's your magic. You can

806
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: do what you want. You want the pheromones you want,

807
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: the you want, the juices you want, you want that.

808
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Okay, it's gonna get a little nasty.

809
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: So if you are cringing, I'm sorry to tell you.

810
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 2: Magic is not all roast quarts and crystals and all

811
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 2: no witch brough hadia and witchcraft is about blood, sex

812
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 2: and magic. So you're gonna get the real from me.

813
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: You know, witchcraft is not going to always be pretty.

814
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be clean and sanitized for you. It's

815
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: not you know, that's just not it. So you wear

816
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: the panties, You take some boiling water, you pour them

817
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: over the panties, you soak them for a while because

818
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: you want to get all the juices into the tea.

819
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 2: And then some people they would feed it, they would

820
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: use that water. They would put it into like a

821
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: jar like you can put in like a mason jar.

822
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: And you use that water and you're cooking, you make coffee,

823
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: you can make tea with it, soups, and it is

824
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: potent and it's very powerful. So my grandfather, he's from Arkansas,

825
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: and he's he knew what's up, you know, he knew

826
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: what was up. And so my grandfather always had a

827
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 2: joke and he used to call me a pinky. So

828
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: he'd say, pinky, I don't accept black coffee from single ladies.

829
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: So what he met by that in Hudu and also

830
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: in other magical folk traditions in the South, in Texas, Louisiana,

831
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 2: the Carolina is all of these things. Everyone who does

832
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 2: root working or conjure world or magical work knows that

833
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 2: you don't accept black coffee or spaghetti from women that

834
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: you don't.

835
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: Know why spaghetti the.

836
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: Blood and you're putting your period blood in the spaghetti.

837
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: Really? Oh yeah, see, I don't know about this kind

838
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 1: of stuff. I'm happy you're here.

839
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: This is very, very controversial again because people feel some

840
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: people don't like the idea of you using love magic

841
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: or sex magic to take away somebody's free will. So

842
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: you do have practitioners who said, you know, don't take

843
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 2: away someone's free will and a love spell or domination spell.

844
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 2: But then you have other practitioners who grow up and

845
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: have traditions where it's like it doesn't matter.

846
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: Do you believe that? Is it a wicking belief that

847
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: it like it comes back threefold or something?

848
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: I don't believe in the law of three.

849
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: To me is that it is almost like karma type thing.

850
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but karma is a whole other thing too, So

851
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 2: it's like, but this law of three, I mean, it's

852
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: just it's still man made. But whatever, I'm gonna all

853
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: say it as this, I am not here to be

854
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: the police or the authority over anyone else's spiritual practice

855
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: or their life or their magic. But do not put

856
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 2: down other people who don't believe like you and who

857
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: don't have traditions like you, because something my grandmother used

858
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 2: to tell me is that if you can't protect yourself

859
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 2: from a hex, you cannot heal anybody. So if you

860
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Speaker 2: don't know how to use defensive magic to hex somebody

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Speaker 2: to curse them, then what type of healing are you doing?

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00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 2: So you need to have some form of grounding. And

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Speaker 2: I think that it's even funnier because I grew up

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Speaker 2: with one of my mom's friends. She's like a Russian immigrant,

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Speaker 2: and she always used to tell me that, like, too

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00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 2: much light can make you go blind. Too much laughing

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Speaker 2: isn't good for your soul. So anything that's like too

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00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: much light is blinding. And I really fucking hate people

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Speaker 2: who are just like, oh, I'm only good vibes, I

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00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 2: only love and light. It's like that toxic positivity. So

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Speaker 2: I'm like, if you don't know how to protect or

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Speaker 2: defend yourself, and don't call yourself.

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Speaker 1: A witch, Okay, I'm learning so much today. I'm so

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00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: happy you're here. I love them here. We have to

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Speaker 1: wrap it up, but can you tell people where to

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00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: find you? And all the stuff that you do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you can find me on social media as

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00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 2: the hood Witch, and most of my pages are verified,

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00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: so I have a lot of impersonators and like phonies

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00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: and like sure, fake bitch is trying to be me.

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Speaker 2: So it is the hood Witch, the official at the Hoodwitch.

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00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: My website is Thehoodwitch dot com, Instagram is the Hoodwitch Twitter. Well,

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00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: I don't even know if anyone uses that name more Twitter,

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00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: the Hoodwitch, blue Sky, the hood Witch, Facebook at the Hoodwitch.

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Speaker 2: Nothing else is just the Hoodwitch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That's something that maybe listeners of this show don't

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00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: know is that a lot of magical practitioners, psychics, tarot

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00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: readers have a lot of impostors, tons of them, and

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00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: people that are praying on their followers and trying to

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00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: get money. So if you're getting if you're getting a

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00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: DM that looks like it's from some you know, spiritual

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00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: practitioner or psychic or whoever that you're following, and they're like, hey,

893
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: I can give you a reading if you give me money.

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00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't do it. I've also had people do it

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Speaker 1: of me and I don't even do readings, and people

896
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: have like you know, reached out to my followers and

897
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: been like, hey, I'm doing readings, now you want to

898
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: give them a fifty bucks And then they do thinking

899
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Speaker 1: then I'm going to give them a tart reading and

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00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: then they're mad at real me because I did that.

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00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not me. I had nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with that person.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have like some scammers. I have like a

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Speaker 2: lady on Facebook who's like trying like scamming people, and

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Speaker 2: she's like, looks nothing like me. It's crazy like she

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Speaker 2: and she has like a like lots of followers too.

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00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: So guys, I don't use Facebook. I only use Instagram

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00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: and Twitter and Blue Sky and I have a substack.

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00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: But everything that you see is going to be at

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Speaker 2: the hoodwitch, So you just have to make sure that

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00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: you're not getting scammed. And look on Raz's page and

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00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: see that like all of my links will be there.

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Speaker 1: Love it. Well, thanks so much for doing this.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so happy

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00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: that I could tell my ghost stories. I could talk

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Speaker 2: with you forever.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, thank you so much. To breathe. I am

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Speaker 1: just over here getting my panties ready for some tea

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00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: that I will be serving on my tour. Actually no,

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00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: that's not true. I'm not gonna make you fall in

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Speaker 1: love with me that way, but I might with my jokes,

922
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Speaker 1: So I hope to see you in person. I'd love

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Speaker 1: to meet you anyway. That was that. That was fun.

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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me

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Speaker 1: gay on. This has been an exactly right production. Want

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Speaker 1: to share your paranormal experience on the podcast. I read

928
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Speaker 1: stories out loud and sometimes I'll even call you, so

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Speaker 1: email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can send a DM or voice message to the

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Speaker 1: show's instagram at ghosted by Roz. Give us a follow

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Speaker 1: while you're there, and follow me Roz on Instagram at

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Speaker 1: roz Hernandez and on TikTok and Twitter at It's roz Hernandez.

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Speaker 1: My senior producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer

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Speaker 1: is the alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and

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Speaker 1: sound designed by the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker

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Speaker 1: is the petrifying Patrick Kottner. Additional production support from the

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Speaker 1: hair raising Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by

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Speaker 1: the spine Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon, artwork by the spooky

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth carro In. Executive

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Speaker 1: produced by the chilling Karen Kilgareth, the Spooky Georgia hard Start,

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Speaker 1: and the frightening Danielle Kramer.