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Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 3: York Football Giants. I'm John Schmelk. I'm with a very

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Speaker 3: well dressed man next to me. Here tie nice sweater?

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Speaker 2: Is that cashmere?

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Speaker 1: Well, yes it is. I don't know, right, cotton, you

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Speaker 1: know you look good. I don't know nylon.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't think it's dial I don't think sweater.

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Speaker 1: I don't know's it's TJ max whatever. So whatever that

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Speaker 1: is all right?

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Speaker 2: How dooing man? Everything good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everything's great. You know. It is the season, you know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like the holidays, like you just like getting

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Speaker 1: dressed up, like you kind of just start getting in

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Speaker 1: the mood and it makes the eggnogg takes takes better

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Speaker 1: when you, you know, when you're you're dressed up.

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Speaker 3: A little bit.

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Speaker 2: So when you pick that the sweater, was it?

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the sweater that Shan O'Hara eye blue

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Speaker 3: because it really does, like it really does match the

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Speaker 1: No, I just actually kind of went. I wanted something

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Speaker 1: to kind of compliment the tie, okay, and and something

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Speaker 1: that you know, would kind of take the attention away

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Speaker 1: from you know, other areas. But no, it's more just

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Speaker 1: like it's kind of cold out, like layer, I was

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Speaker 1: walking around the city a little bit today, so definitely

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Speaker 1: wanted that extra warmth. But anytime you can, anytime you

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Speaker 1: can throw blue on an outfit, I think it works.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you on that, all right.

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Speaker 3: So the Giants could use a little bit of warmth there, Sean,

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Speaker 3: because they are they are some nice cold at two

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Speaker 3: and ten here trying to figure out.

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Speaker 2: What to do.

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Speaker 3: So let's start with some of the news from today.

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Speaker 3: Drew Lock named the starter Tommy DeVito, still making his

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Speaker 3: way back from injury. Brian Dables spoke to the media,

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Speaker 3: and the way he phrased it is that it sounds

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Speaker 3: like Tommy DeVito would have been ready to go this week,

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Speaker 3: but after seeing what he saw from Drew Lock last week,

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Speaker 3: he wants to see what he would look like with

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I definitely think that that was less than

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Speaker 1: ideal circumstances last week. The way that Drew Lock kind

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Speaker 1: of got thrown into that position. You know, obviously in

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Speaker 1: a short week like that, even if Tommy Devido had

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Speaker 1: when you're playing on that Thanksgiving Day game, so it's

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Speaker 1: really walk throughs. But for Drew Locke to have not

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Speaker 1: to that start, I think that that definitely was a

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Speaker 1: little tough. But I think, you know, look, the reality

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Speaker 1: is just like at this point, try everything, like everything's

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Speaker 1: like you have to be willing to try everything, give

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Speaker 1: everybody a shot. And you know what that's not to

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Speaker 1: say that, you know, you don't rotate guys in and

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Speaker 1: But look, Drew Lock, I mean, the one blemish that

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Speaker 1: and I feel like we've said that so many times

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Speaker 1: Yeah, can we get one. We don't have a single interception.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've been talking about that for way too

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Speaker 1: My rookie year in Cleveland, we started out two and one.

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Speaker 1: That was a long stretch and what you know, as

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Speaker 1: you know, on game day, But like, who's willing to

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Speaker 1: come in here and still continue to put into work.

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Speaker 1: You know, you keep your same routine, You're still working

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Speaker 1: You have to to create that energy, and you know,

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Speaker 1: And I think that's where this team is right now.

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Speaker 1: And it's look, it's not about we're gonna save the season,

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Speaker 1: turn around the season. No, that ship has sailed. This

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Speaker 1: is about respect for yourself, for your team, for your coaches,

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Speaker 1: for your ownership, for your fans. That's really all it is.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, look, I got how many more games

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Speaker 1: we have that five games? I got five more chances

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Speaker 1: to kick the crap out of somebody. Like that's what

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Speaker 1: We're going toe to toe. You got five more opportunities,

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Speaker 1: get your mind right, and let's go to battle. Let's

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Speaker 3: A couple of specifics having to get to you, but

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Speaker 3: you brow up the leadership part of this for us,

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Speaker 3: So I'll go there. The Giants right now, of one

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Speaker 3: and Bobby ocarrigated in practice it with a back injury,

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Speaker 2: We'll see what that means.

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Speaker 3: But Dexter Lawrence out, Carrika out, Daniel Jones obviously not

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Speaker 3: that they're all out. Casey Croder is the last one standing.

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Speaker 3: So when you're in this situation, you're two and ten,

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Speaker 3: you're down four of your captains in terms of guys

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Speaker 3: he doesn't play this weekend, we'll see how does a

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Speaker 3: team do what you're talking about when a lot of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough. I mean, that's less than ideal circumstances.

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Speaker 1: And I think you know, in any case, you know,

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Speaker 1: all right, son, Your captains aren't there.

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Speaker 2: That sucks.

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna step up now? Who is going to be

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Speaker 1: What can I do as a coach? What can we

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Speaker 1: put you guys in the best position possible? And what

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Speaker 1: to kind of scale back? I mean they go out

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Speaker 1: in practice, it's probably not gonna win you over and

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Speaker 1: nobody's gonna enjoy that. So you try to find a

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Speaker 1: way to look, let's make something out of these next

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Speaker 1: five games, and let's do it together.

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Speaker 2: Hoddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go over the middle with at the score great.

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Speaker 3: dot com slash Giants. All Right, you mentioned the protection.

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Speaker 3: We know it was rough at the tackle positions last week.

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Speaker 2: We don't know if Evanil was going to.

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Speaker 3: Play this week, could be josh A Zudu. We'll see

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Speaker 3: Hubbard at left tackle. You could touch with them if

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Speaker 2: You can win as many games as can, but you're

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Speaker 3: But I think those two guys legitimately have a chance

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Speaker 3: you've had enough of those. He talked about that in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's you know, really, that's what you've

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Speaker 1: We're gonna run the ball like that's what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: We can't be a second and sixteen because we got

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Speaker 3: He is a stock answer for me, which is accurate.

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Speaker 3: But I want to get the offensive lineman's take on this.

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Speaker 3: When you see the Giants run defense, if you're an

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Speaker 1: We're pulling somebody. I want a double team on Dexter

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Speaker 1: outside run plays. And you know, look, obviously you know

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Speaker 1: what Thibodeau getting hurt. I thought, I thought o Jeli

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Speaker 1: came in and played pretty well. But you know, the

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Speaker 1: Giants don't have big defensive ends.

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Speaker 2: He's more of a pass rusher than an edge.

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Speaker 1: So you have ojalr and and you know, Burns is

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Speaker 1: not a huge guy. I mean he's tall, he's lanky,

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Speaker 1: he's lengthy. But I think the perimeter run game is

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Speaker 1: really where the Giants have struggled. That's probably where I

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Speaker 1: would want to try to attack them. And look, it's

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Speaker 1: tough as good as Bobby Ocake is, it's tough as

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Speaker 1: the Mike linebacker to have to always be the guy

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Speaker 1: to make that tackle on outside perimeter plays because your

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Speaker 1: angle is not very good. It's not conducive to bring

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Speaker 1: a power So I would I would stress that and

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Speaker 1: then I would try to make the corner's tackle. Like

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Speaker 1: you know, that's always a big point in the run game.

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Speaker 1: It's always if we can get this get our running

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Speaker 1: back one on one versus a corner, that's where we

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Speaker 1: want to try to take advantage of.

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Speaker 3: And is it as simple in order to get this

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Speaker 3: pass rush reignited, you got to stop the running early downs.

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Speaker 3: Because that's the way I've talked about it a lot.

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Speaker 3: You just haven't put teams in bad situations where the

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Speaker 3: pass rush can you know, get off and do their thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. You earn the right to

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Speaker 1: rush the passer. And if you can stop them on

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Speaker 1: first and second down, third and nine, just that little difference. Now,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's a difference between a sack

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Speaker 2: If you're third and fourth, third and nine, a completely

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Speaker 2: different thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, third and third and three, third and four, that

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Speaker 1: ball's out. Like even if you beat your guy, the

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Speaker 1: balls out before you get there, go third and nine.

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Speaker 1: You beat your guy, it's a sack. And so that's

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Speaker 1: the biggest difference.

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Speaker 3: I finally, what the heck can you do to survive

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Speaker 3: with that dexter lawrence in the middle.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't run a five to three defense. I don't

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Speaker 1: think you want to change up the whole scheme. But

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Speaker 1: you know, look, he's he's a monster of a man,

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Speaker 1: and you cannot replace him with one guy literally, Like

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Speaker 1: I mean, maybe two guys, you know, would equal his weight.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, But look, I mean it's an opportunity,

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Speaker 1: Like I said, it's an opportunity for somebody else to

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Speaker 1: come in and play. And I think if you're Shane Bowen,

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Speaker 1: you're not coming in and saying, all right, somebody's gonna

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Speaker 1: come play Dexter spot. It's okay. The stuff we used

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Speaker 1: to do with Dexter in there is different. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: come up with different stuff. Maybe we'd go with a

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Speaker 1: smaller guy and maybe we do more movements, mean we

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Speaker 1: do more stunts, Like dex are so big, you didn't

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Speaker 1: have to do enough stunts because he could just penetrate

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Speaker 1: and handle on his own. Now, maybe you go small

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Speaker 1: ball and you kind of move the guys around a

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Speaker 1: little bit, get a little more creative that way.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Sean O'Hara Giants Little Podcast, brought to by citizens Official

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Speaker 3: Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 2: We'll see next time.

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