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Speaker 1: is NFL Inside Report on today's episode. The Jags fire

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer. Darryl Bebel will be the interim head coach

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Speaker 1: for the final four games of this season, but a

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Speaker 1: now over and another transition ahead for the Jacksonville Jaguars

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Speaker 1: and team owner shot com with us on today's episode

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Speaker 1: are Judy Batista and Judy, you've been following this situation

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Speaker 1: very closely. How would you describe Urban myers eleven month

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Speaker 1: tenure as the Jaguars head coach? It was just catastrophic, right,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was an unbelievable fall from grace um.

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Speaker 1: And so that was the mandate, change the culture, like

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Speaker 1: called this a transformational moment, like the combination of Urban

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Speaker 1: He's a winner, a leader, and a champion. He's the

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Speaker 1: further delay, it's my privilege to introviews the new head

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Speaker 1: coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars, Urban Meyer. You know, as

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Speaker 1: In Judy, I mean, this is a Jaguars team that's

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Speaker 1: Tony Dungee would endorse him. But he is also like

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Speaker 1: for the Jackson Phil chap Boards, even more than it

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Speaker 1: would be other teams. Right. The number one consideration has

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Speaker 1: to be somebody who can improve the culture in the building.

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Speaker 1: And then of course that's one and then one A

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Speaker 1: has to be somebody who can develop Trevor Lawrence. I

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Speaker 1: mean that is on the football side, the only thing

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Speaker 1: that matters, Like you cannot waste this guy. Uh And

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Speaker 1: you know, and Jim called well fits the builder and

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Speaker 1: he has proven like since he was fired by Detroit,

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Speaker 1: we see how very difficult it is to win in Detroit.

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Speaker 1: The Bears get a game winner from Cairo Santos and

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Speaker 1: they beat the Lions sixteen fourteen, and for Detroit, the

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Speaker 1: heartbreak continues. The Lions now oh ten and one. He

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Speaker 1: won in Detroit obviously, you know he worked with Paid Manning.

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Speaker 1: He won in Indianapolis. So, um, he's got a proven

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Speaker 1: track record. I know that he wants to coach in

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Speaker 1: the NFL again. Um, he'd like another opportunity. So we'll see.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's going to be um. I think

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Speaker 1: it should be somebody like that, right, like of just

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Speaker 1: unquestionable character and leadership ability. Leadership ability, yes, and I

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Speaker 1: should have mentioned that obviously, but it goes with the

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Speaker 1: stability and the credibility and the pedigree and that that

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Speaker 1: that's all kind of rolled into one there and called

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Speaker 1: will certainly fits the bill. I think a person who

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Speaker 1: has already gotten some consideration, at least from outside voices,

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Speaker 1: is a former Jacksonville Jaguars quarterback and a current offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator for the best quarterback to ever play the game,

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Speaker 1: and that is Byron Leftwich C and Tampa O C

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Speaker 1: to Tom Brady, super Bowl champion, the whole deal. Now

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Speaker 1: here's the only caveat there. And while he is probably

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Speaker 1: and Bruce arians has said as much, ready to be

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Speaker 1: a head coach, I think he's everything everybody supposedly looking for,

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Speaker 1: you know, a quarterback and play caller. Uh, and he's

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Speaker 1: African American. So I mean, I don't know what if

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Speaker 1: you're looking for as a great leader. I wonder that

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Speaker 1: if in Jacksonville you do want somebody who's been there

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Speaker 1: and done it before. Although I and certainly see all

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Speaker 1: the reasons why left which would fit the bill, and

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's gonna be interesting because you

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Speaker 1: know that that typical pattern in the NFL is like

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Speaker 1: when you fire one coach, you sort of swing completely

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Speaker 1: in the opposite direction and go for a guy who's different,

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Speaker 1: which would actually make Byron Leftwich like the obvious candidate,

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Speaker 1: right because he's young. Um, you know, he's an offensive coordinator, like,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't coached in college, he's a former NFL player like,

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Speaker 1: so that would actually make some sense. I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think that, you know, that's got to be a

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Speaker 1: question of do they want a more experienced hand given

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Speaker 1: the multitude of issues in play in Jacksonville. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but you know, Byron left Which was a favorite son

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Speaker 1: um in Jacksonville. They loved him there. Bruce arians has

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Speaker 1: been saying that Byron Leftwich has been ready to be

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Speaker 1: a head coach since they were an Arizona so like

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Speaker 1: and frankly, I remember when Byron left, which was playing

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Speaker 1: the Steelers. I mean people then were saying, this is

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Speaker 1: a future head coach guy. So he's been on the track. Um. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: working with Tom Brady is a tremendous thing to have

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Speaker 1: on your resume. Um, and working with somebody like Brusarians

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Speaker 1: is a great thing to have on your resume. I

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Speaker 1: think Byron left which is going to get interest this

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Speaker 1: year period. Um, so I think he'll be a he

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Speaker 1: should be a very Now the caveat there is like okay,

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Speaker 1: like they're going to be in the playoff hunt again, right,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna be on a deep playoff run. And

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Speaker 1: it felt like that was something that prevented him or

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Speaker 1: him or was something that you know, it was an

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Speaker 1: obstacle to those That's what rule tweak is also designed

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Speaker 1: to address. Right that, like these guys who were you know,

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Speaker 1: you're on these super successful teams and you're sort of

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Speaker 1: that sort of means you're locked out, right like the

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Speaker 1: Enimy the same thing, right, you're sort of you're trapped. Um,

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Speaker 1: this is an opportunity for them to at least do

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Speaker 1: a virtual interview um early on if the team allows it.

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Speaker 1: And I mean it's hard for me to imagine that

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Speaker 1: Bruce arians would deny Byron left Which the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: do an interview. That's a great point, especially the way

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Speaker 1: he's talked about it. As long as does it, you know,

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Speaker 1: effect preparation and all that, and I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: a professional, it probably would not. And for all of

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Speaker 1: our loyal NFL Inside Report listeners, some of these names

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Speaker 1: probably sound familiar from an earlier episode this week where

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Speaker 1: we had Scott Pioli on detailing the case for minority

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Speaker 1: candidates like Jim Caldwell and like Byron Leftwich. You look

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Speaker 1: at all the coaches that were given second chances, and

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Speaker 1: then on this list you know that I have here

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Speaker 1: Raheem Morris, they were all. They all at one point

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Speaker 1: they were head coaches. And there are many of them.

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Speaker 1: And those are just two with the names many, many many.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Gray was one that Scott Poe talked about very favorably,

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Speaker 1: who has been who's had some of those head coaching interviews.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be. Um, I'm interested to

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Speaker 1: see what shot Kant does and who is advising him

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Speaker 1: right right. The league wants him to get this right. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, they don't want a franchise to be floundering

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Speaker 1: year after year after year. Um. And so I always think,

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Speaker 1: so I'm I'm really curious to hear from shot Coom

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Speaker 1: hear what he is looking for because that has always

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Speaker 1: been a thing, like can can owners define what they

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Speaker 1: Now you're right, and you know the future of trim

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