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Speaker 4: Problem solved middle the enzone pickoff hiz here.

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Speaker 1: the insiders who cover the team.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 4: Oh that was nasty right there?

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Speaker 2: Rights slam the ground by fooda baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 3: I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 2: What's the first sign, or maybe first component of any

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Speaker 2: great workplace culture? Dare I say accountability? Heard the word

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Speaker 2: accountability a lot over the past year, have we not?

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Speaker 3: What's so funny?

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Speaker 1: One?

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Speaker 3: Am I missing?

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Speaker 4: You're not missing anything. I just find it humorous.

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Speaker 2: Darren might know where this is trending without really knowing. Danny,

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Speaker 2: you've been known to hold Darren accountable on more than

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Speaker 3: Wondering where you were going to say I've been done

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Speaker 3: for I thought.

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Speaker 2: I'd maybe join in right off the top here once again,

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Speaker 2: you know the trust tree is an effect. Okay, this

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Speaker 2: is only a place of productivity here on Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 2: especially TikTok trending towards the draft. Darren, I find it

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Speaker 2: perhaps a little bit disingenuous at best, hypocritical at worst

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Speaker 2: that you tend to rail against the mock drafts. Except

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Speaker 2: if I was to look at your screen right now,

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Speaker 2: what are you engaging in as we speak?

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Speaker 4: Not what you want, Paul, It's it's a list of

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Speaker 4: what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: So because moments ago, Craig Griela was in here and

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Speaker 2: you guys were discussing mock drafts.

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Speaker 4: Talking about mock drafts. Although and I certainly don't want

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Speaker 4: to take this off the rails right away, but are you.

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Speaker 2: Sure you're not biting the hand that's literally feeding you

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Speaker 2: the content that gets you through till the draft.

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Speaker 4: That's kind of if we're going to talk about accountability.

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Speaker 4: I did want to share this three non football story.

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Speaker 4: I happen to be playing basketball with My adult sons

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Speaker 4: have a game on Sundays that they're kind enough to

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Speaker 4: invite me to, and I was playing with My older

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, And in fact, you don't have a walking boot

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Speaker 2: on right now. It was a success. You forget win

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Speaker 2: to lose. As long as you don't get injured, you're good.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting you bring that up, Paul.

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Speaker 4: I went to go set a pick as my older son,

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Speaker 4: he's going under the screen. For some reason, my older son,

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Speaker 2: There Darren'll be holding a summer camp.

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Speaker 4: You unfortunately instead of coming right off my shoulder. He

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Speaker 4: It was not good. Okay, friendly fire, It's.

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Speaker 2: Good, okay, all right. I did races or you might

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Speaker 2: Sounds like anyways, sounds like something you might say about

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Speaker 4: That's true. We could probably there.

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Speaker 2: We go, okay, all right, so let's see there is

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Speaker 2: lot more to say here on Cardinals Underground, brought you

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Speaker 2: that the one thing perhaps we can believe about the

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be the who or the what, or the

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Speaker 2: Seems to me that based on what Mania said and

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Speaker 2: based on multiple reports, thou shalt not trade number four

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Speaker 3: What makes the most sense that the cardinally thing.

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Speaker 2: I can believe right now, the Cardinals would.

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Speaker 3: Lose a significant amount of leverage if they made a

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Speaker 3: then you can stay and you can pick whoever you want.

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Speaker 3: The Cardinals are in a win win situation by not

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Speaker 3: Pick for round one Thursday.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Almo, could you go ahead and after this is

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Speaker 4: done recording drop in the six or seven times I've

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Speaker 4: that it's not going to happen till they're on the clock.

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Speaker 2: It is now being widely reported, Darren, what you have

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Speaker 4: You're right, I'm not trying to act like I know more.

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Speaker 4: That's just common sense. It's hilario hilarious to me that

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Speaker 4: that too. I don't even know why this is news.

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Speaker 4: Like to me is this has always been what was

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Speaker 2: Let me just let me just ask you this, what

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Speaker 2: the best I could possibly do. I probably won't get it,

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Speaker 2: but this is what I'm asking for, and you get it.

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Speaker 2: It's a day or two before the draft, do you

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Speaker 2: take it just in case, Oh, I don't know, New

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Speaker 2: England steals your thunder. The Boston Herald reporting moments before

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Speaker 2: still waiting for a quote serious offer. But the fact

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Speaker 4: And that may be true, but again, in your scenario,

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Speaker 4: like it still doesn't make any sense. Okay, maybe if

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Speaker 4: I suppose you might want to do it. But the

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Speaker 2: Now, well, here's the only thing I'll just throw out.

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Speaker 2: Danny think about this. Okay, Denver wants to come up.

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Speaker 2: We presume do they really have the assets in the capitol.

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Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, I don't want Here's the thing you had

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Speaker 2: You can find the video. Somebody shot it. It was

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Speaker 4: Is he played quarterback for them.

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Speaker 2: New England steal the Cardinals thunder in fashion their own

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't the Cardinals still be in a win win situation

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Speaker 3: if Minnesota, who desperately needs a quarterback, with trade up

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Speaker 3: stay at four and get whomever they wanted. That's not

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Speaker 4: The other thing, too, is and yes, if Minnesota were

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Speaker 4: So I guess I kind of understand that idea of it.

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Speaker 4: But there's somebody, I feel like there's somebody in this

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Speaker 2: Is right, you know, let there be a fourth QB.

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Speaker 2: And I do believe that has transpired, that has actually happened,

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Speaker 2: So okay, and you're right, Danny. I've also I've been

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Speaker 2: to the belief for a while that, hey, if you

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Speaker 2: don't get a deal you like, you don't think is acceptable, feasible, plausible, whatever,

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Speaker 2: guess what your default plan is, Marvin Harrison Junior, Hello,

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Speaker 2: and then you move on. So again, and I railed

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, Broncos don't have a franchise quarterback. They

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Speaker 3: A lot of money for a quarterback, they don't have anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, an eighty five million dollar capit or whatever

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Speaker 3: Not to make light of this, but I did see

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Speaker 2: Good. Hence that's good Zach Wilson.

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Speaker 4: Actually, the worst part about it is that's what everybody said,

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Speaker 4: just keep accept Will Lutts, the veteran kicker who signed

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Speaker 2: Seats well, and there and there there again is another

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Speaker 2: bus right, I mean, you're Washington. Is just me thinking

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Speaker 4: I'm guessing zero. That's what my guess is. It's the

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Speaker 4: And we've all talked about how that's not enough. So

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Speaker 4: I think that pretty much sums up what Monty Yassinfortz

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Speaker 4: But the other side of that is if you don't

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Speaker 2: And that goes back to our QB kicker, right, the

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Speaker 4: See, I thought you were looking for a dual threat player. No,

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Speaker 2: It's the whole. I saw a goodwill hunting the other day. Right,

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Speaker 2: it's Ben Affleck going in to negotiate retainer. We need

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Speaker 2: there's a reason the Minnesota Vikings went and targeted those

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Speaker 2: look what happened last year. You moved out of number

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Speaker 2: he did. And so okay, there's what you're leaving behind.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to leave you know, Marvin Harrison, Junior

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Speaker 3: There's also a chance that there's more to it than

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Speaker 3: same scenario four to eleven with the Viking. How do

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Speaker 3: we know that general manager Moni Ossinford is not doing that,

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Speaker 2: Hey, my idea.

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Speaker 3: So I'm just that that's where the fans are going

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm gonna have some players their positioned perfectly,

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Speaker 2: their bodyguard exactly. I can you know, stand behind you

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Speaker 2: The needs protection in the pocket, all right, could be

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Speaker 4: We those of us who have been in the journalism

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Speaker 2: Ideally, you're right speaking of though, of going down somewhere

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Speaker 2: Harbaugh is sitting there at five and says, gotta have

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Speaker 3: I like this power of manifestation, Paul, I'd be behind that.

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Speaker 4: This is this is I love it when people say

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you could realistically expect a second

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Speaker 2: Come on now, right? So do you really want to

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Speaker 3: No, I don't. I'm sorry, Paul. We keep bustin burst

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'll move on to the next one.

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Speaker 2: Why did the Cardinals do the deal with Denver? So

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Speaker 3: That was before they are you saying they would still

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Speaker 2: So the Broncos come up to four, they take their

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Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think Zach Wilson figures into

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Speaker 3: Okay, so sorry one more time, RAMI what Denver would be?

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Speaker 2: So Denver would be they would trade with the Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: You give him number four and return the Cardinals get

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Speaker 3: League who's going into year three. I believe, yes, yes, so.

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Speaker 4: This year you got to pay him.

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Speaker 3: Happened, right, So I would be okay with that. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I don't think there's any way that the Broncos trade

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Speaker 2: Day, So okay, maybe you guys want to go. This

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Speaker 2: I'm bringing this up because in this mock draft on

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Speaker 3: That was my question. He's fallen to the second round.

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Speaker 3: That's a good point, is how much value there still

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Speaker 3: And the other angle to look at it is how

437
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Speaker 3: much value could be in a second round pick. Is

438
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Speaker 3: the other areas of me that aren't as deep in

439
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Speaker 3: the draft class, the d lineman, the DBS, right, a

440
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Speaker 3: pass rusher. So that's that's a good point, Paul of

441
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 3: there's a lot of power and value in getting a

442
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Speaker 3: second round pick. If the Cardinals decided to make a

443
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Speaker 3: trade in the first round.

444
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Speaker 4: Paul has good point.

445
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Speaker 2: Sometimes, I mean, I've almost come full circle to where

446
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,360
Speaker 2: I started back in February, and this whole process that

447
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 2: Cardinals get the receiver at twenty seven or thirty five

448
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 2: because it's so deep. To Danny's point, supplying demand, there

449
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 2: are far fewer corners, far fewer edge rushers, dynamic defensive linemen,

450
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Speaker 2: and that's the route you go in the top half

451
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Speaker 2: of round one.

452
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Speaker 3: Did I do a timeout real quick? We got a

453
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Speaker 3: text from behind the glass from our executive producer, jim

454
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Speaker 3: Ma Maahndro. Perfect timing for the Broncos to announce that

455
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Speaker 3: they picked up Patrick Surtan's fifth year option today as.

456
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Speaker 4: We which means he's going fourth year.

457
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Speaker 3: Okay, but also probably off the table.

458
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Speaker 4: You don't think so, not that wouldn't. I still don't

459
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 4: think he's there trading him. But no, that just that

460
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 4: just means you lock him up and you make sure

461
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Speaker 4: that he's under contract another year. I still think you know, again,

462
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 4: when you start talking about the high level guys, that

463
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 4: doesn't stop him from wanting to hold out next year

464
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Speaker 4: or whatever.

465
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Speaker 2: At least he's a fixed cost for two years, unlike

466
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Speaker 2: a Justin Jefferson, who you figure you'd have to get

467
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Speaker 2: a deal done right away.

468
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Speaker 3: So you're out on j Jettos. Now did that just

469
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Speaker 3: happen in real time?

470
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Speaker 2: No? No, no, Look, the wide receiver bust rate is

471
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Speaker 2: so high historically, how high is it that? No. The

472
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Speaker 2: Athletic recently did a story and they documented all of it.

473
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Speaker 2: You can look it up. Diana Russini is one of

474
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Speaker 2: the reporters in there and they documented. Okay, look to me,

475
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Speaker 2: I know you got to pay Justin Jefferson if he's

476
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Speaker 2: part of a deal. I get it, and I get

477
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Speaker 2: he's gonna man probably around thirty millionaire. I understand that,

478
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: but the cap just went up. Cardinals are in a

479
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 2: pretty good place right now in their kaponomics, and you

480
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,959
Speaker 2: eliminate not only the bust factor, but he is plug

481
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Speaker 2: and play, a three time All Pro receiver. He's going

482
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Speaker 2: to turn twenty five before this season starts. He is

483
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Speaker 2: in his prime. He is an ascending player.

484
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Speaker 4: That's why no one's going to trade him. So he's

485
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Speaker 4: not leaving the Vikings.

486
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Speaker 2: Well, here's another reason why the Cardinals might not be interested,

487
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: because once again, there are so many receivers. We don't

488
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Speaker 2: have time here. Cardinals Underground brought you by Pacific Office

489
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Speaker 2: Automation for me to list all of them. So I'll

490
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Speaker 2: just spotlight the two that Tom Pelisaro threw out there.

491
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Speaker 2: He did a lot of intel and calling around, and

492
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Speaker 2: he listed four or five players that he thinks could

493
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Speaker 2: end up as surprise picks in.

494
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Speaker 4: The first round, in the first round.

495
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Speaker 2: In the first round, like late first round.

496
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Speaker 4: We're talking about twenty seven at this point exactly.

497
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Speaker 2: Okay, maybe thirty five maybe. But the first one he

498
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Speaker 2: highlighted was Keon Coleman, Michigan State basketball player went to

499
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Speaker 2: Florida State to finish play football, and he had a

500
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 2: disappointing forty four to six ' one. So it took

501
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: him out of the first round theoretically, but everything else,

502
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's sixty three in a quarter, he's two

503
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 2: thirteen seventy eight inch wingspan, supposedly has great hands, does

504
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: not fight the football. He's a polished enough route runner,

505
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: he's competitive, makes the contested catch. And they're drawing all

506
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: these parallels to Puka Nakua, who didn't run real well.

507
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: Coleman Keon Coleman interesting and the one comp that he

508
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 2: got from some of the scouts and Kwan Bolden, who

509
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: I looked it up, ran the four to seven to one,

510
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: went round to the Cardinals and blowed it up right.

511
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Speaker 4: Yep, he did so.

512
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Speaker 2: And by the way, Kean Coleman turns twenty one next month,

513
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 2: and they said he wasn't even training for football because

514
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: he's still it's kind of done a lot of basketball

515
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: stuff when he worked out and got timed and all

516
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 2: this sort of stuff. There's that. Then there's Xavier Lagette

517
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: out of South Carolina, sort of a DJ Moore Deebo

518
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: Samuel type six one two twenty five. He's a burner

519
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: four three nine forty supposedly is real natural catching the football,

520
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: but because of O their injuries and other circumstances and

521
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: bad quarterback play until Spencer Ratler got to South Carolina,

522
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 2: didn't really shine to this last year. So I'm trying

523
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: to remind myself how historically deep this receiver class is.

524
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Speaker 2: And to your point, Danny, if they end up going

525
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 2: corner or edge early in round one and they leave

526
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: receiver towards the bottom, I think it's feasible and I

527
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: won't be disappointed whatsoever. That's just me because I'm still

528
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: trying to understand. Is Marvin Harrison Junior an outstanding prospect?

529
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Speaker 2: I get it? Why is the Red Sea so head

530
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: over heels about Marvin Harrison Junior? Do you think, just

531
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: by chance that he happens to remind them of a

532
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: certain Hall of fame receiver who they so dearly loved.

533
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Speaker 2: It was on a first name basis with the entire

534
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Speaker 2: state of Arizona for so many years.

535
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Speaker 4: I think I think it's a couple things. I think, yeah,

536
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 4: that's true to a certain extent. I don't. I don't.

537
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 4: I think it's easy to make that comparison, but you could,

538
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 4: you could make some of those same comparisons with the Dunese.

539
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 4: I think, to me, the biggest reason this is just

540
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 4: me one. Yes, there's a lot of people saying he

541
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 4: could be the best player in the draft. I think

542
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 4: people have glommed onto that, although we it's made been

543
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 4: very made very clear that people might look at all

544
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 4: these receivers a little bit differently. I think the other thing, too,

545
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 4: is I just think he's more famous. He's more famous

546
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 4: than Roma doonsay, he's more famous than Elik Neighbors. Both

547
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 4: those guys had great years, but I would be willing

548
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 4: to bet a large portion of the fan base had

549
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 4: a much greater chance of hearing about Marvin Harrison Junior

550
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 4: before we got to this process than the other two guys.

551
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Speaker 2: The familiarity of it, Yeah, I mean it's yeah, it's

552
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: It's why I once put a sixty name. And this

553
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: is going back to two thousand and six. It's why

554
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: everyone lost their minds when the Cardinals drafted Matt Liiner

555
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: because everyone knew Matt Liner so well. He was a

556
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: national celebrity at that point, the second most popular athlete

557
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: in LA behind Kobe Bryant. Right, yes, there's Matt. Even

558
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: the non football fans new Matt Liner because there he

559
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: is on the cover of People's fifty Most Beautiful People

560
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: of two thousand and six.

561
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 4: Paul was in there in two thousand and seven.

562
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: No, I was at his radio show that we did

563
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: when there were actual fans who drove from LA for

564
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: his one hour radio show. That's the sort of celebrity

565
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: he was.

566
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 4: I remember those days.

567
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: So that's a good point, Darren. You're absolutely right. That's

568
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 2: people feel like they know Marvin Harrison Junior.

569
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Speaker 4: Now all that's being said, he very well could be

570
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 4: another layer for show. I don't know.

571
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 3: Was there also some intrigue to the mystery of not

572
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 3: doing you know, workouts or the measurables or things like that.

573
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: No, I think I think this train was rolling well

574
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: before we got there.

575
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: But also of like, wow, he's he's so good that

576
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 3: teams don't have a problem boom with that because they

577
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 3: already know what they know.

578
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 4: I think, well, you know again, what is this the

579
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 4: trust tree? Is that what we like to call it?

580
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 3: Just the three of us.

581
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 4: I feel fairly confident elite neighbors and Roman doings. They

582
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 4: would also be just fine in terms of top seven

583
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 4: picks if they hadn't done those things, all right.

584
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: So we'll agree to disagree. We'll agree on the following.

585
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 2: How about this, we'll agree that it's not whether the

586
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: Cardinals draft or receiver high, it's it's where can they

587
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 2: should they draft or receiver? And we'll get the answer

588
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: on Thursday and Friday. Right, So there's that.

589
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: You'll get the first interview, Paul.

590
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see if everything works out. And historically in

591
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: the past, what if.

592
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: The person's not in Detroit, then he won't be able

593
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 4: to see anybody.

594
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: So maybe they'll call in from their house.

595
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 4: Party blown in the wind.

596
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: So what'd you guys make since we last did Cardinals

597
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: underground MANTIOSI ort Jonathan again and met the media? Any

598
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: takeaways whatsoever? Because if they're doing their job, you would

599
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: base have zero takeaways, right, they would talk for the

600
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: half hour, So really make no headlines, give you nothing

601
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: of substance, you know, I mean some of the things

602
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 2: I wrote down. Okay, the board is ninety five eight

603
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: percent complete. Hey is in the barns money said, it's

604
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: now time to discuss scenarios. You know, what could possibly transpire.

605
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: How do we react? How aggressive do we get if

606
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: we see a guy we really like what's it worth.

607
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: He did admit that he's had talks with multiple teams,

608
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: and multiple teams have checked in with the cardinals, but

609
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: that's the norm and so and then of course he

610
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: told the story about the house, the house.

611
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: Thing, where he basically said, if I he's comparing taking

612
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 4: the calls about the trade down from four, about if

613
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: he lives in his house. He loves his house, his

614
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 4: wife loves his house. But if somebody came up, knocked

615
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: on the door and made an offer, essentially a great offer,

616
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 4: he'd be like, okay, missus Austin Fort, we're out of here,

617
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: you know, and you'd leave there, you go, there's your

618
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: is your thing that's gonna have to come down so

619
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: it doesn't block all the time.

620
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Speaker 3: But Darren needs the the camera needs Darren.

621
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Speaker 4: Wouldn't interesting if if I would have loved for them

622
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 4: to come out and say, we're not ninety five, but

623
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 4: we're one hundred percent done. What do you think we've

624
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 4: been doing up there? Of course we're one hundred percent done.

625
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 4: Tough tittlely winks, we're not going to tell you anything

626
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 4: about it. That would be you know, well, that's.

627
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Speaker 3: Essentially what we learned, which was not a lot, which

628
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 3: is expected. We're really what with most gms.

629
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Speaker 2: He did say, he did say something that I think

630
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: the fan should heed as somewhat of a warning or

631
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: maybe a lesson learning. That is when MANI said, you

632
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 2: know what, we don't fall in love with players, but

633
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: we do have conviction about players. So remember that if

634
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: you have your heart set on a certain player day.

635
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: If I'm a fan, that's what I'd want to hear,

636
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: knowing that the front office doesn't have rose color glasses

637
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 3: on and they're not making decisions based on the emotions

638
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,719
Speaker 3: rather than everything else that comes into play as well.

639
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 4: Here's the thing, though, the fans that are up in

640
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 4: arms about let's say Marvin Harrison in this case, they

641
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 4: don't see that as being emotional. They see that as

642
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: he's the best player in the draft. Why wouldn't you

643
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 4: just do this? It's funny we're talking about people saying

644
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 4: stuff because I'm gonna do a short piece on Azycardinals

645
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: dot Com Wednesday about the twentieth anniversary of the two

646
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 4: thousand and four draft, which was fits obviously in Darnell

647
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 4: Docket and Carlos Stansby and I mean, Danny Green had

648
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 4: no problem telling you stuff. I remember being at the

649
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 4: Combine his first year, and he basically said he loved

650
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 4: JJ Arrington so much that if he was there in

651
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 4: the second round, the Cardinals were going to take him.

652
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 4: And guess what, he was there in the second round,

653
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 4: and they took him. And then the time when I

654
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 4: was sitting there, he was doing a TV interview and

655
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: I happened to be able to sit in on it

656
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 4: because it was right out here, and he basically said,

657
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: we're yeah, we have number three overall pick, and yeah,

658
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 4: we don't have a quarterback really, but we like Josh

659
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 4: McCown and we're not going to take a quarterback at three. Oh.

660
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 4: And by the way, Larry Fitzgoe is the best, the

661
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 4: best player in this draft. I wonder what that could

662
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 4: add up to. Wait, you don't want Eli Manning, you

663
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 4: don't want Ben Roethlisberger, Berger, you don't want Philip Rivers. No, no,

664
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 4: we've got Josh McCown and probably respect to Josh.

665
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: And by the way, Larry really thought he was going

666
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: to the Raiders at number two. Yes, and then out

667
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: of nowhere they took Robert Gallery, the tackle, who was

668
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: pretty much.

669
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 4: I would be fascinated to know what the Cardinals would

670
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 4: have done if fits had gone at two. Do they

671
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: then go quarterback?

672
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question, no.

673
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 4: Doubt, because they liked Roethlisberger a lot.

674
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: No question about that. So all right, so look as

675
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: for what else Moni said of any substance. He did

676
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: talk about supplying to man, and he did say that, yes,

677
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: supplying to man at certain position groups will push certain

678
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: players up or down the board. So for example, if

679
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: everyone group think is he there's plenty of receivers, we

680
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: can get those guys later, then maybe there is a

681
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: run on corner or edge, you know, in the first half,

682
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: the first twenty picks of round one. So I'm curious

683
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: how that might come into play. Well once again, you know,

684
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: and he cited Sean Payton, you know, nice as Sean

685
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: to say, because that's where this all started, really Sean Payn'

686
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: saying it's good to be Mani again. And we keep

687
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: hearing the phrase pivot point. Yeah, catbird seat to the

688
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 2: point where like you know, State Farm Stadium you know,

689
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: has been referred to as the nest, right, the Cardinals

690
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: war room at this point should be referred to as

691
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: the catbird seat because you've seen that associated with him

692
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: so much.

693
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 4: I do think. I mean, yes, he didn't, there wasn't

694
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: a ton of substance per se. But I think we

695
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: all can agree that, like, I don't know how much.

696
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, he could come right out and say

697
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: if we stay at four, we're taking X or whatever.

698
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: But like, I think there's a lot of stuff that

699
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 4: is unknown that he wouldn't be able to tell you

700
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: at this point because literally he doesn't know. I honestly believe,

701
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 4: as we record this right now, he does not know

702
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 4: if he's going to trade or not. I truly, in

703
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 4: my heart believe.

704
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,919
Speaker 2: That what do I believe. That's a good question, Thanks

705
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: for asking. I believe that Money doesn't necessarily want to

706
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 2: trade out at number four, But I do believe somebody

707
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: will make Manias trade out of number four. I do

708
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: still believe that. I think it's coming.

709
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: A deal that's just too good to pass off on.

710
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 2: Yes, And the evidence of that is the Chargers GM

711
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: you cited earlier, and him saying to the media, we

712
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: believe we have the first pick in the draft because

713
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: four quarterbacks are going one, two, three, four. Obviously, the

714
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: Cardinals aren't picking quarterback at four. That means somebody's coming

715
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: up in a trade.

716
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: You want my gut, thanks for asking. My gut is

717
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: telling me that the Cardinals are going to stay at four.

718
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: That's what my gut tells me.

719
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: Okay, And you want to attach your name to that.

720
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I don't feel like people waiting outside and

721
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: throwing eggs at my car, So I'll say Marvin Harrison Junior.

722
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: I think to a certain point, there comes a time

723
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 3: in different drafts, and there's a lot of moving parts

724
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 3: of needs and cap space and all kinds of stuff.

725
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: There comes a time where sometimes a player is just

726
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 3: too good to pass up on. And I would think

727
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 3: that's going to come into play of are there some

728
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: players position players that the Cardinals are going to have

729
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 3: the opportunity to draft where they are to where it

730
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: doesn't really matter what you're getting, Like that player is

731
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: just too good to pass up on.

732
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: I agree with you one hundred percent, and you need

733
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 4: premium players at some point. I'm curious, though, when we

734
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: hear Monty say if somebody comes to my door and

735
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: offers me something great. I know he didn't say great,

736
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: but that's what he was alluding to, Like, what does

737
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 4: that look like? So I'm going to pose to each

738
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: of you. If it's the Vikings, so you're going down

739
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: to eleven, what does that package look to you?

740
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: Like?

741
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 4: When you say, yeah, I got to pull the.

742
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: Trigger on that, I can tell you, well, that's good.

743
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: I asked you.

744
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 3: Eleven and twenty three. Yep, A twenty twenty five first. Okay, However,

745
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 3: I would expect the Cardinals to have to give something

746
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: besides number four. Now, I don't know if that's a

747
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 3: two or three this year, or maybe a two this

748
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: year and a four next year. I don't know what

749
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: the Cardinals would have to give. I would expect they

750
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: would have to give up something in addition to the

751
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 3: fourth overall pick.

752
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: Paul Calvic, why don't you weigh in, Well, it's got

753
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 2: to be three first round picks or the equivalent thereof,

754
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: it's got to be two first round picks an equivalent player. Now, well,

755
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 2: can you get away with demanding an all pro player

756
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: like Patrick Surtan or Justin Jefferson. Maybe not. For example,

757
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: if the Vikings Daniel Hunter, for example, I would take

758
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: two first round picks and Daniel Hunter.

759
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 4: Okay, let's let's say they're not offering any players, I'm

760
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 4: talking about picks.

761
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: Three first round picks. That's what I would say, would

762
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: do it, would absolutely do it now, two first round

763
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: picks in a second. Yeah, if you're on the clock

764
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: and that's the best you can do, I would still

765
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: engage that. I would still pull the trigger on that. Yes.

766
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: In fact, it's Albert Brier who reported earlier today, quote

767
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: Cardinals have told teams that have called, and at least

768
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: four teams have checked in that the Cardinals do not

769
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: plan to execute a trade until they're on the clock.

770
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: So there you go. Yeah, so what.

771
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: To cardinals on the ground.

772
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: The Beastie boys no sleep till Brooklyn. So no trade

773
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 2: still Detroit, apparently is what is what? As we come

774
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: full circle on that one. There, By the way, you

775
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: see the lines put out their new uniforms in tax

776
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: they put the three to one three there in the collar,

777
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: the whole that's the new new latest.

778
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 3: Rage there right on the inside.

779
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I put it in there the whole area.

780
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 3: The taxings came out, they look pretty sick, I think.

781
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: By the way, ow Darren doesn't think so.

782
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: By the way, you're talking about all the picks and

783
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: you need premium players, isn't that essentially what Daniel Jeremiah

784
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: tweeted out and or said recently, how do you know

785
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: the insatiable interest in the NFL draft when the media

786
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: spends more than two hours on a conference call with

787
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah, and over the course of that call, he said,

788
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: you talk about pivot point, that this is the opportunity

789
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: for the Cardinals to set themselves up in Daniel Jeremiah's

790
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: opinion for the next five to seven years based on this.

791
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 3: Draft, it makes sense. It's a good point. You are

792
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: building up the foundation that you started to set last year.

793
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: Last year was about trimming the fat, figuring out who

794
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: you wanted to keep and who you didn't want to

795
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 3: keep from the previous regime, and really starting the development

796
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 3: of all of your rookies. And this year is building

797
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 3: upon that. And Jeremiah had a point of when you're

798
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: looking at teams who have been in similar transition periods

799
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: to the Cardinals who kind of go on a run,

800
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: you can point out one to two, maybe three consecutive

801
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 3: draft years where you can see where that change really happened,

802
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 3: where that foundation was set for teams that were able

803
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 3: to kind of quickly get out of that transition phase

804
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 3: and really ascend upwards. And that's where the Cardinals find themselves.

805
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 3: And they have plenty of draft capital to get that going,

806
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 3: even if they decide to they don't have as much

807
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 3: capital next year, but even if they start to move

808
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: some stuff around and maybe try and give themselves a

809
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: little more cushion for next year, where I believe they're

810
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: set to just have six picks in the next draft.

811
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 3: But Jeremiah had had some good points, and I agree

812
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 3: that this is although awesome for it, Yes, I agree,

813
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: and his press conference answer Darren's question saying every draft

814
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 3: is important, and that is true, this one can really

815
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 3: really set the foundation moving forward.

816
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: I like the point that Jeremiah made that it doesn't

817
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 4: have to be one or the other. You can move around,

818
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: maybe get a pick or two for next year to

819
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 4: add to that six that you have right now, and

820
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 4: still get some blue chip players. And that'll be what

821
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 4: the most interesting part of this we haven't even talked about.

822
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 4: Like let's say what happens if what happens if they

823
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 4: stick and pick at four and then they decide to

824
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 4: trade from twenty seven down to thirty one, you could

825
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 4: get an extra pick there and and all this so

826
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: I mean, these are the things that I think are

827
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 4: all going to be in play as we go forward,

828
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 4: and I will be I'll be honest here, I'm going

829
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: to be glad when four comes and goes on Thursday night,

830
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 4: whether it's a trade or whatever. I'm like, I'm tired

831
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 4: of talking about what might happen with that pick. I'm like,

832
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 4: actually kind of excited about twenty seven and thirty five

833
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 4: because it's not what we've been talking about.

834
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: Speculation season is coming to a close.

835
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: You know what Daniel Jeremiah said, at some point you

836
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: have to start taking premium players. Having all those picks

837
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: isn't enough. I thought, a New England, how many years

838
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 2: did New England keep trading down all those picks? Nobody

839
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: had more picks in New England. But look at where

840
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: the Patriots are now. Yeah, okay, right, they compiled picks,

841
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: but they are able to convert them into players.

842
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 4: You're not wrong. But the difference to me there is

843
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: when you're always picking twenty eight, twenty nine to thirty

844
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 4: and it's almost the second round, that's I don't know

845
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 4: if you're always getting premium players just because we're saying

846
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 4: it's the first round. It's a lot different when you're

847
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 4: picking in the top five and it you know, let's

848
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: just say for argument's sake here, and who knows, it

849
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 4: could be true that next year we're talking about the

850
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 4: Cardinals first round pick being assuming they don't add one,

851
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 4: the Cardinals first round pick is like twenty four. Our

852
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 4: discussions are going to be a whole lot different. It's

853
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: it's because they're picking so high and in theory, And

854
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 4: this is what Monty said the other day, like, I

855
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 4: don't really want to be picking this high anymore. Now,

856
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 4: you got to do some work to make sure that

857
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: doesn't happen. But the speculation would only increase if you're

858
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 4: talking about twenty four, because you're gonna have a boatload

859
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 4: of potential players that they could still get and you

860
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: don't know who's going to be gone ahead of you.

861
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 4: But right now, when you talk about premium players, like,

862
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 4: that's why I don't I agree with you. The Patriots

863
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,479
Speaker 4: thing didn't work out because they also didn't draft well.

864
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: I mean, just because you're trading down and compiling stock

865
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 4: playing picks. That's not why they struggled. They struggled because

866
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 4: when they did make picks, they were taking terrible players.

867
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: I also thought of Nick Caserio in New England because

868
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: what has he done with the Texans. Somebody pointed this

869
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 2: out the other day that Nick Cassio in three drafts

870
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: is the Houston GM. He's made eighteen trades. He made

871
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: eight last year he made seven and twenty two, and

872
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: he made three draft day trades in twenty one. How

873
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: many did Mani end up making last year?

874
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 4: Oh you didn't. You didn't tell me there was gonna

875
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 4: be research.

876
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: So I bring that up because Moni had all those

877
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 2: years in New England, who's notorious for making draft day trades.

878
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: Nick case had the background in New England. It's not

879
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 2: a fluke in my opinion that the Cardinals in Houston,

880
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: Texans got together on a deal last year. The relationship

881
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 2: between Nick Casearro and maniasin Fort so, I wonder is

882
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: he trending in this same direction where Okay went in doubt,

883
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: you know what, we're trading away or trading up? And

884
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: then I also saw this asserted about one of the

885
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: up and coming teams in the NFL right now. The

886
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: Packers last year had that huge blowout playoff win over

887
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: the Cowboys and just getting to the postseason. They were

888
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 2: the fourth youngest team to reach the playoffs since the

889
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: merger and the youngest to win a playoff game since

890
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy. And they just talked about how they went

891
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 2: about In two thy twenty three, they had thirteen picks.

892
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: This year they have eleven picks. Reminded me of the

893
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals and what the Cardinals are doing and the

894
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: infusion of young talent and all these draft picks and

895
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: every single position group has just tried to be made

896
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 2: as competitive as possible, bringing as many because ultimately, if

897
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 2: you're a GM, what is your job to get better

898
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: at every position? Right now? Is that feasible and realistic?

899
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: For example, the greatest recent example was mister Irrelevant two

900
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: years ago, Rock Purty. So theoretically, there were the forty

901
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: nine ers on the clock with the last pick of

902
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 2: the draft is saying, how do we get better a quarterback?

903
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 2: Let's take this kid. Now, that's never going to happen

904
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 2: again in our lifetime where the last pick overall ends

905
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 2: up being a franchise quarterback. But that's the objective, that's

906
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: the aim. If you're the GM, every single pick, I'm

907
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: trying to get better at that position than what I have.

908
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: So okay, you said about with that in mind, but

909
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: I just thought, you know, in terms of that, and

910
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: then a couple of other interesting factoids, and you brought

911
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: this up earlier, Danny, and I came back around to this.

912
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: Sean McVay has never had a Round one pick as

913
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: head coach of the Rams.

914
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: The last Rams first round draft pick was Jared Goff.

915
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 3: That was twenty sixteen, right, yes, eight years ago.

916
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, So now there's a lot and on the

917
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 2: Rams going with quarterback maybe Bo Nicks in round one

918
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: because Matthew Stafford after this year has no guaranteed money pick.

919
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: It's funny because so you're basically saying the Rams just

920
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 4: are going to get rid of their first round picks

921
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 4: until they need a quarterback, then they're going to take one.

922
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: And exactly, yes, yeah, every time they need a quarterback,

923
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: they just stick with that first round pick. So and look,

924
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: we spend so much time at number four and twenty

925
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: seven and thirty five. Look what the Cardinals did in

926
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 2: round three last year, Garrett Williams and Michael Wilson two

927
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: building blocks. Yes, so this year you have three third

928
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 2: round picks. Correct if you're the Arizona Cardinal. That is correct, sir, so,

929
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: in a really deep draft at a lot of different positions.

930
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 2: You know, don't be surprised if come training camp we're

931
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: talking about two out of those three players in round

932
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 2: three who all of a sudden turning heads in August.

933
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 4: Unless they take one of those third round picks to

934
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 4: move up from twenty seven to like twenty two.

935
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 2: Maybe absolutely, And that's the luxury of having eleven picks, right, Yes,

936
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: if you want to throw in an extra pick or

937
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 2: two to go up and get the guy that you

938
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 2: want to pull a Hollie Roseman for example, what is

939
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: it three four years in a row the Eagles GM

940
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 2: has come up in the first round or gone into

941
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: the first round because oh my goodness, that player that

942
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: we have way up on our board has fallen. Let's

943
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 2: go get him. And I presume that's what Manias Support

944
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: meant when he talked to the media about this last week.

945
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: Before we actually go on the clock, we're talking about scenarios.

946
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: Certain guys go, you know that we have really high

947
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: on our board and all of a sudden they're available,

948
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: and they're still there at twenty four. Well, what's it

949
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: take to go from twenty seven to twenty four to

950
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: make sure we get our guy. So I throw that

951
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: out there, by the way, just to stir up a

952
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: little bit your guy, Pete Prisco, you know Pete Prisco.

953
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 4: Furler, Well, do you know a Fellows Sun dobl.

954
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: So, CBS Sports, longtime NFL content provider. He does his

955
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 2: annual who they should take mock draft? He says, this

956
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: isn't predictive, This isn't what I think is going to happen.

957
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: This is what I think should happen on behalf of

958
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: every team. He has a cardinal sticking and picking at

959
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: number four and go and receiver Moleik neighbors with Harrison

960
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: on the board, With Harrison on the board going number

961
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: five to the Chargers. Let's just say the Red Sea

962
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: wasn't down with that in that mock draft.

963
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 4: In particular, I don't know if the Red Sea really

964
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 4: was going to pay attention to it until Paul Calvec

965
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 4: highlighted it on his Twitter feed.

966
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: We gotta have fun with it. You gotta have fun

967
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: with it. Come on, right, you got it? I mean

968
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: we all love.

969
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 4: Pete, yeah, but I mean, are you are you gonna

970
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 4: sit here and bet your life savings that couldn't happen.

971
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 3: But why does it always have to be betting life

972
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: savings or paycheck with you.

973
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 4: Darren, I'm just saying because if it's just you putting

974
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: something out there, then we're just stupid podcasters saying stuff

975
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 4: into the wind. There's got to be something on the line, Danny.

976
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: But how many scouts personnel evaluators. All these anonymous sources

977
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: have been quoted as saying that there's definitely a division

978
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: between those who like neighbors, some who like a Doonsay,

979
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: and some like Marvin Harrison Junior.

980
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 4: I mean there are there are plenty of those people.

981
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 4: I will also say that if we were able to

982
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 4: get the honest opinion of all thirty two teams, if

983
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 4: you found and I'm again I'm just throwing numbers out there.

984
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 4: I don't know any of this stuff, but you could

985
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 4: make that claim that these people are all saying and

986
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 4: it could be like two teams like neighbors more, two

987
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 4: teams like odonseay more and twenty eight like Marvin Harrison

988
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 4: the most, and you could still say there's a division. Yeah,

989
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 4: so who knows?

990
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: So anyway, I throw that out there now, speaking of

991
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: the whole twenty year anniversary. So you have a story

992
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: coming out about the draft class.

993
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do a blog

994
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 4: post about that.

995
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, Pat tillman twenty year anniversary is.

996
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 4: Patt Tillman's twenty year anniversary of his death, Yes, which

997
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: which is all it's been, you know, for somebody who

998
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 4: was around for all that. It's just it's kind of

999
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 4: crazy to me. Mike Helm also media relations guru. Was

1000
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 4: his first day of work was today actually twenty years ago,

1001
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 4: so he started draft week. But like to the weekend,

1002
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 4: the weekend of the Fitz Draft was weird. You know,

1003
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 4: Pat Tillman was killed because of the time difference in

1004
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 4: the Middle East and everything. He was killed on the

1005
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 4: twenty second but everybody really wasn't finding out about it

1006
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 4: for real until Friday morning. Early Friday morning, it was

1007
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: starting to hit all the news.

1008
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: So we came over here exactly where I was in

1009
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: the KTA our newsroom when it came down.

1010
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 4: I was wearing a bathrobe and feeding one of my

1011
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 4: kids breakfast. And in those days, the draft was Saturday Sunday.

1012
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 4: The first three rounds were Saturday, the last four rounds

1013
00:49:54,440 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 4: were Sunday, so Friday was still a preview day, and

1014
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 4: coming in here and watching Pete Kendall, who was a

1015
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 4: center at the time and was a good spokesman and

1016
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 4: coming in trying to say some things without breaking down,

1017
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 4: and Michael Bidwell was trying to talk and was struggling

1018
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 4: a little bit. Anthony Edwards, the former player turned liaison,

1019
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: he was really obviously upset. And I remember Denny Green

1020
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 4: who had just started, He had just been hired in January,

1021
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 4: and so he didn't know Pat, like Patt had never

1022
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 4: been around, and he just looked a little lost to me,

1023
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 4: because everybody in the building knew Pat still almost and

1024
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 4: most of the players did, and Denny didn't, And here

1025
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 4: he is in this really awkward situation. I felt bad

1026
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 4: for him. But to go from that to the next day,

1027
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 4: and obviously I already touched on it where we knew

1028
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 4: they weren't going to take a quarterback, and then Robert

1029
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 4: Gallery went to and then everybody knew Larry Fitzgerald, former

1030
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 4: Vikings ball boy for Denny Green and son of a

1031
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 4: guy who co hosted at a radio show with Danny

1032
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 4: Green for a number of years. All of a sudden

1033
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 4: became the Cardinals pick. I mean that it was just

1034
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 4: it was a very interesting and even thinking back, like

1035
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 4: they had the first pick in every round because they

1036
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 4: had been the worst team the year before and it

1037
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 4: didn't rotate. They didn't tie anybody. So they got the

1038
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 4: first pick of the second round, which was Carlos Dansby.

1039
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 4: They got the first pick of the third round, which

1040
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 4: was Darnell Dockett, who was a force on the field,

1041
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 4: but he was a little unhinged, which he flashed here

1042
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 4: and there when he was here, but he was a

1043
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 4: hell of a player. And and they got Antonio Smith

1044
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 4: later in the draft. They also got Alex Dapanovitch, who

1045
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 4: was their starting center for a couple of years. It

1046
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 4: was it was a draft that changed things. When we

1047
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 4: talk about when Daniel Jeremiah talks about a draft that

1048
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 4: can set up a team, That draft set up this

1049
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 4: team that eventually made the Super Bowl.

1050
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 2: Don't the Cardinals have the same seventh round draft slot

1051
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: that Pat Tillman was selected with.

1052
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 4: Yes, they have the twenty sixth pick, which is where

1053
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 4: they Pat Tillman, And there will be a couple of

1054
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 4: Pat Tillman scholars announcing that pick. When the Cardinals make

1055
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 4: the choice.

1056
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 2: Remember the old interviews with Pat where he looked Vince

1057
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: Tobin in the eye and said, hey, I get it.

1058
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: You guys took the local kid with a big following

1059
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: try and sell some tickets. I get it. They said, No,

1060
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: we like you as a football player. Yeah, don't really

1061
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: buy it. But I'm going to make you like me

1062
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: as a football players. I'm going to show you I

1063
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 2: can ball and I can't play. And the rest was history.

1064
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: And he did it from day one at that training camp.

1065
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 2: I still remember. And Daniel, if you know this, but

1066
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: I was seven years ahead of Pat at Leland High School, So.

1067
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 4: I don't know if you ever heard this story.

1068
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 2: No, no, this is this is this is the story.

1069
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 2: Maybe you haven't heard. Oh, okay, because I reminded my

1070
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: dad of this the other day. The first time I

1071
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: had ever heard of Pat Tillman was a phone call

1072
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 2: from my dad and he said, Hey, Leland's in the

1073
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: CCS championship game, which would be the equivalent of a

1074
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: bay AREUS title.

1075
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:52,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1076
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: And when I was there, and for every year prior,

1077
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: there was nowhere any chance that the high school would

1078
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 2: be competitive. Okay, it'd be like coming out of nowhere

1079
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: and taking down Chandler Hamilton or Brophy or something like that.

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Speaker 2: And he said, yeah, they're in the championship game. They

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Speaker 2: got this wrecking ball kid named Tilman, Pat Tillman, and

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Speaker 2: he's sure enough. He was the running back slash linebacker.

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Speaker 2: And if you want to waste some time online, go

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Speaker 2: forget about searching up highlights of Pat Tillman as an

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Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinal or Arizona State Sun devil. Look for Leland

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Speaker 2: Chargers high school football Pat Tillman. It's out there on

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Speaker 2: YouTube and it's phenomenal to watch. It really is. So

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Speaker 2: I always told the story. It wasn't just when he

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Speaker 2: was a rookie in ninety eight the Cardinals won their

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Speaker 2: first playoff game in fifty years. It wasn't just when

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Speaker 2: he was the Pac ten Defensive Player of the Year

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Speaker 2: when ASU went to the Rose Bowl. But as a

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Speaker 2: high school player, he elevated everyone out of nowhere to

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Speaker 2: win a championship. So that's my Pat Tillman recollection.

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Speaker 4: Good one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, I don't really agree with

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Speaker 2: the documentary shop portray his Almondon neighborhood as being something

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Speaker 2: on a hippieville and all the barefoot people walking around

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Speaker 2: northern California. I didn't think that was a fair depiction

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Speaker 2: of the where I grew up. I didn't still take

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Speaker 2: umbrage with that.

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Speaker 4: By the way, you can umbradge away, Paul, Yeah, there

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Speaker 4: you go.

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Speaker 2: So it just goes full circle here from Darren and

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Speaker 2: what I view is him being disingenuous with the mock

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Speaker 2: drafts railing against yet engaging in to the very end.

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Speaker 2: So just bookends, bookend umbrage here on Cardinals Underground, brought

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