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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And now Mike Pence says Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: endangered his family. On January sixth, we have a fun

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Speaker 1: show today. Congressman Eric Swawell stops by to talk to

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Speaker 1: us about what it's like to have a Speaker of

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Speaker 1: Danica Saverino Wynn, the vice president for Abortion Access at

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Speaker 1: Planned Parenthood, and she will talk us through the horrors

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Speaker 1: of post row America. But first we have the host

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Speaker 1: of the Enemy's List, the One, the Only, the Lincoln Projects,

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson. Rick Wilson back on the podcast. Greetings, Molly

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Speaker 1: John Fast, Welcome back. I am delighted to be with

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Speaker 1: you as always. Yay fucking better be I mean delighted

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Speaker 1: to have you as one is. Ron de Santis struggles

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Speaker 1: with charisma, struggles with nect in with voters. It's short

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Speaker 1: will be our next president? Discuss the last point is

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Speaker 1: sides in the magic eight ball of Republican politics point

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Speaker 1: to know. Look, is he short? He's shorter than me,

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Speaker 1: and Dan Bongina says, I'm a dwarf at five ten.

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Speaker 1: He literally tells people I met Wilson, he's only five one.

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Speaker 1: Like the fuck are you talking about? Bro? I'm taller

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Speaker 1: than you, bitch. But DeSantis is like five seven, five eight,

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Speaker 1: somewhere in that zone. And he's taken his people in particular,

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Speaker 1: flip the fuck out if you mentioned his lifts or

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Speaker 1: his little cowboy boots with their kicky little heels. I

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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I got so much twitter, like we'll

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Speaker 1: run to Santos. Where's cowboy boots? Like men do? I'm like,

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Speaker 1: uh huh, tell me more, tell me more about this

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Speaker 1: soft handed lawyer who's never been outside of Dana's fucking life.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk about the Michael back so, he says.

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Speaker 1: De Sander struggles with connecting with the audience. He has

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Speaker 1: trouble speaking. I mean, how does he even become a

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Speaker 1: real candidate? Mom? He doesn't? Okay, Look, he is Jeb

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Speaker 1: Bush without the smoldering sensuality. Okay, he's he's Marco Rubio

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Speaker 1: without the without the thick masculine musk. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: talked to normal people. Right. I noticed it when I

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Speaker 1: met him a few times when he was well before,

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Speaker 1: like well before he was a maga congressman. He was

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Speaker 1: a Paul Ryan acolite when he was a backbencher, right

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Speaker 1: when he was a normal, sort of basic bitch, a

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Speaker 1: boot Republican. Okay, this guy does not look you in

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Speaker 1: the eye. Now. Is that because he is arrogant or aspergery,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. But he does not focus on people.

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Speaker 1: This is a notorious problem with his staff in Tallahassee

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Speaker 1: into meetings, he does not want to focus on people

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Speaker 1: or things. He goes and schemes away and he talks

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Speaker 1: to Casey and that's it. Somebody this weekend was making

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Speaker 1: a case to me that the driver here, Yeah, Ron

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Speaker 1: de Santas is ambitious, But he's ambitious because Casey. If

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Speaker 1: you look back, this woman is Tracy Flick and she's

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Speaker 1: every little she's every cliche that Republicans used to say

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Speaker 1: She's the reason he's going to be a president. It's

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Speaker 1: the same exact story, only much more real. Bill Clinton

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Speaker 1: the Santis should be the one running for president. She's

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Speaker 1: the one with the real, raw ambition and the talent.

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Speaker 1: But also, I mean, Bill Clinton was charismatic as fuck. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy used to say, I mean, this is a

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Speaker 1: guy who had the gift. Okay, I'm gonna be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, guys. Donald Trump had the gift. That has

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Speaker 1: the gift right, absolutely, no question. Now it's a different

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Speaker 1: Ronda Santas will go in there and go to jan

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Speaker 1: I went to Harvard and Yale. I went to Harvard

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Speaker 1: from Yale. And I'm I'm not woke. And it's he's

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Speaker 1: from Jeb that you helped create, you monster from Jeb

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Speaker 1: And this gigantic machine, it is a very specific flavor.

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Speaker 1: They were like the Cantonese restaurant. Okay, in a small town,

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Speaker 1: constitutionally personally unable to connect with people like that. Okay.

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Speaker 1: he's gonna do fucking great. Okay, I'm not even very well.

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Speaker 1: His constituency right now are basically three groups, Okay, Wall

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Speaker 1: hate him aesthetically, which is the worst reason to hate

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Speaker 1: Trump right. Hate him as he's a race assayst hate

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Speaker 1: him because he's an idiot. Hate him because he's a scumbag, racist,

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Speaker 1: things about women's vaginas. You know, come on, those are

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Speaker 1: the people that are Rohnde Santis is number one fuel

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Speaker 1: guys in twenty sixteen said to Jeb Bush, you, sir,

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Speaker 1: other leader, we will never abandon you. We will stand

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Speaker 1: by you until the last dog dies. Nothing. Oh hey, Jeff, listen,

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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta give Trump some money. Man, Just

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Speaker 1: we love you. You're a young guy. You can run again.

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Speaker 1: But I got I got. This Trump thing is really crazy.

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Speaker 1: the train. And they did this like clockwork. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: do this to Ronda Santis again too. They're gonna say, Ron,

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Speaker 1: you're young, you're so talented, You've done such a great job.

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Speaker 1: But look, man, you know it's maybe it's just not

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Speaker 1: your time. Maybe Trump's gonna win. So listen, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: to be like when every other Republican candidate is nuking

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Speaker 1: want to say this, de Sanna's thought he was going

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Speaker 1: by the way, I read two chapters of that book

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Speaker 1: you did. That shit is the hottest garbage and the

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Speaker 1: to me tell me it's written by him. Well, I

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Speaker 1: goons that rewrote what he wrote. It feels like a

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Speaker 1: focus group. The power to be free, the freedom to

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Speaker 1: will read, but many special interest groups will buy copies

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Speaker 1: He's gonna make a bank on this thing. God bless him.

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Speaker 1: But well, transfer, Hey, I'm a I'm a capitalist, but

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Speaker 1: you know anyway, But look, the first day of your

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Speaker 1: campaign is the best day. The only easy day was yesterday, right,

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Speaker 1: And I gotta say something that people are not going

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Speaker 1: props very often, but there's a sign this week that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump has professionals advising him in the campaign. He

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Speaker 1: has a really good team, unfortunate way he does. And

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Speaker 1: very very smart guy. Do not liberal listeners underestimate them.

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Speaker 1: This is not the Corey Leewindowski Brad Pascal fuck show.

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Speaker 1: These are smart, professional people and there are some of them.

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Speaker 1: As my friend Terris sent I pointed out yesterday that

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Speaker 1: I've worked for de Santists and know where the bodies

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Speaker 1: are who worked for his Santis and know how to

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Speaker 1: rat shit, know it pisses him off. And my god,

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Speaker 1: if there's one person in America that can piss people off,

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Speaker 1: it's Donald fucking TRUMPA yeah, but anyway, Trump was out

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Speaker 1: there blasting to Santis when he goes to Iowa for

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Speaker 1: You are more than welcome. Congressman Eric Swallwell represents California's

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Speaker 1: fifteenth district. Welcome back to you fast politics, my friend,

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Speaker 1: Congressman Eric Swawell', I'm very excited to have you. Shall

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Speaker 1: we first talk about that committee hearing from yesterday? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just shooting layups over here, Molly with these guys. Congressman

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan. Paint the scene here for a minute. Jordan

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Speaker 1: has created a Subpoena compliance Committee, and I was named

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Speaker 1: by the Democrats to lead that. And essentially he sends

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Speaker 1: these letters to the Department of Justice that read like

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Speaker 1: a Jim Jordan ranch. Before they even read the long letter,

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Speaker 1: He's sent them a subpoena and then he brings them in.

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Speaker 1: So yesterday's hearing was about protecting parents under the guys

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Speaker 1: of protecting parents, well, he does not like the FBI

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Speaker 1: looking at parents who terrorize school board members, and so

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Speaker 1: he has a conspiracy theory that Merrick Garland has designated

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Speaker 1: all parents as domestic terents. Now, of course there's no

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Speaker 1: evidence of that and came out of that. But I

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Speaker 1: did make sure to read many of the death threats

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Speaker 1: that were sent to volunteer school board members and you know,

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Speaker 1: shows some of the violences occurred at these school board

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Speaker 1: hearings and look at Jim Jordan and their gang and

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Speaker 1: say like, is this who you guys stand with? Now?

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Speaker 1: You know, when you're not visiting terrorists at the DC

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Speaker 1: jail who are responsible for January six, Now you're going

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Speaker 1: to come in here and be on the side of

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Speaker 1: people who are terrorizing school board members. These are parents

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Speaker 1: who are threatening school board members. And Jim Jordan is

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Speaker 1: upset that the FBI is then going to question them. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he wants to be tough on terrorists unless the terrorists

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Speaker 1: like Jim Jordans. That's kind of my faith. Wow, tell

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Speaker 1: me about what your sort of takeaway was from this experience. Oh,

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Speaker 1: first of all, by the way, taking a step back,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty fucking rich that Jim Jordan's of all people

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Speaker 1: in the world would hold a hearing on subpoena compliance, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, really is shocking that a guy who was

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Speaker 1: referred to the Ethics Committee because he didn't honor a

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Speaker 1: congressional subpoena has some thoughts on people honoring congressional subpoenas. Now,

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Speaker 1: the DJ witnessed did what Jim Jordan was not willing

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Speaker 1: to do, which was show up, talk to Congress talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, what he knew and didn't know. And it

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Speaker 1: was quite easy. Jim Jordan could have done it. He

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Speaker 1: could have raised his right hand and answered questions about

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Speaker 1: the crime that he witnessed leading up to January sixth,

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Speaker 1: but he refused to do it. And he wants to

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Speaker 1: lecture all of us about what the Department of Justice

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Speaker 1: should do when he's the one signing the subpoena. Why

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Speaker 1: do you think that is? We're living through this krrupt

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Speaker 1: bargain where for Jim Jordan to have a gabble and

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy to have the title of speaker. There's installment

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Speaker 1: payments that have to be made, and so Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 1: Green has to go on the Homeland Security Committee. We

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Speaker 1: have to harbor the International Wanted criminal George Santos, And

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Speaker 1: we have to buy into this idea that police officers

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Speaker 1: should not be looking at parents who terrorized school board

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Speaker 1: meetings because those parents share the beliefs of Magan Nation.

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Speaker 1: And so Jim Jordan has formed one of the largest

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Speaker 1: law firms in DC with the Weaponization Committee, the Subpoena Committee,

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Speaker 1: the Judiciary Committee, and it's essentially just a law firm

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Speaker 1: that has one client right. And so they're going to

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Speaker 1: work on behalf of Donald Trump and the Republican Conference

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Speaker 1: will be this vessel state of Maga Nation so that

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Speaker 1: they can just carry out all of Trump and his

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Speaker 1: supporters grievances. But it's backfired every single time. Right, You've

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Speaker 1: got Matt Gates reading from like the China Times to

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Speaker 1: make a point. By the way, that was an amazing

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Speaker 1: moment where the witness was like, where did you get

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Speaker 1: that from? That? Lauren Bobert is citing statistics from the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration to own the Bind administration. Matt Gates, two

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Speaker 1: weeks before the China Times debacle, brings in a guy

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Speaker 1: to say the pledge of allegiance, who's an accused murderer.

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Speaker 1: After trying to make the point that Democrats don't want

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Speaker 1: to say the Pledge of Allegiance and Molly during that

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Speaker 1: debate where David Cecillini had the crazy idea that if

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Speaker 1: you're going to come in and say the Pledge of

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Speaker 1: Allegiance again and Gates doesn't give a shit about saying

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Speaker 1: the Pledge of Allegiance, by the way, this is just

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Speaker 1: to like try and give a Democrat to vote against it, right.

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Speaker 1: Cellini kind of pushed back and said, well, if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna say the Pledge of Allegiance, we should at least

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Speaker 1: be able to vet who this individual is. And Tom

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Speaker 1: McClintock on the Republican side, I'm not shitting you, says, well,

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Speaker 1: it's not like we're going to bring in somebody who

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Speaker 1: committed murder, which they then did. Yeah, he actually did.

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Speaker 1: So it's just a comedy of heirs right now, a

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Speaker 1: failure to launch, so to speak, on their side. As

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Speaker 1: I said, it's just shooting layups right now with these guys.

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Speaker 1: It's not the hardest work we've had to do. I

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Speaker 1: want to know Kevin McCarthy has his job. He is

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Speaker 1: nominally Speaker of the House, speaker light Speaker of Light, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean really I think he is Kevin McCarthy the

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House, or really is Tough Garlson the

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Speaker 1: Speaker of the House. Yeah, so I would say he

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Speaker 1: has the title. Marjorie Taylor Green has the job because

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Speaker 1: he can't do anything without her support. Part of the

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Speaker 1: reoccurring payment plan that McCarthy has to stay in a

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Speaker 1: speaker was that installment payment to Tucker Carlson, you know,

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Speaker 1: with the sensitive security footage from January six and so

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Speaker 1: we're going to see more, you know, installment payments that

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Speaker 1: Will Jeffert has our national security, like one of them

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Speaker 1: being defunding the troops by seventy five billion dollars, which

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Speaker 1: was another promise he made to become speaker. And by

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Speaker 1: the way, well, I really don't think Kevin McCarthy wants

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Speaker 1: anything more than just the title of speaker. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's never demonstrated like that he's got an idea

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Speaker 1: that would solve a problem. I think he just knows

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Speaker 1: enough to know that it's cool to be speaker. And

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Speaker 1: beyond that, I don't think he really cares about like

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Speaker 1: the job of governing and getting shipped done. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: no evidence to support the idea that he is pictually

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Speaker 1: interested in this job, like in legislating. Correct. And if

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Speaker 1: you think back to the first one hundred days when

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Speaker 1: Democrats were in the majority in twenty nineteen and then

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Speaker 1: back again with Biden this president, we delivered a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were busy, we were working passing historic

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Speaker 1: legislation as marks of what we do when we were

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Speaker 1: in the majority in the Senate, in the White House.

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Speaker 1: And then we did it again when we had that

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Speaker 1: kind of holy trinity, and we're able to do it.

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Speaker 1: But here they promised a border bill, they haven't delivered that.

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Speaker 1: They've promised a budget and his hockey and Jeffreys has

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Speaker 1: said the budget has gone into the witness protection program. Like,

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Speaker 1: we have no idea where their budget is. And again

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Speaker 1: I think it's just he doesn't know how to do this.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't really want to do this. He just wants

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Speaker 1: to be called speaker. What other stuff are they cooking

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Speaker 1: up there? There's this congressional delegation that Marjorie Taylor Green

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Speaker 1: is leading to the DC jail. They really call them

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Speaker 1: codel This is, you know, like a taror deal. They're

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Speaker 1: going to go visit those responsible for January six, which

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Speaker 1: again for the first time in their lives, they care

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Speaker 1: about the rights of inmates. But again it's only it's

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Speaker 1: not because of any concerning or criminal dress. It's just

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Speaker 1: their friends. It's these are these people that they rooted

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Speaker 1: for during the riot. We are now behind balls. This

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Speaker 1: was the pathway to the most disappointing mid term performance,

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Speaker 1: you know, for the party, not in the White House ever,

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Speaker 1: that they just pulled off, and it doesn't seem that

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Speaker 1: they've learned from it at all. You know, the voters

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Speaker 1: rejected this nonsense in November, and it's just they're just

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Speaker 1: doubling down. Yeah, it is really interesting that they are

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Speaker 1: completely uninterested in like stopping and saying, well, like this

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Speaker 1: was the kind of stuff that lost us in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty and twenty eighteen and twenty twenty two. Perhaps we'd

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Speaker 1: like to pause in client reflect action and try for

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Speaker 1: something else. But there seems to be no interest in that.

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Speaker 1: Huh No. And again that's because no one has figured

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Speaker 1: out how to grab the mantle of leadership from maganation,

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Speaker 1: which again is not the majority of Republicans, but it's

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Speaker 1: the loudest, most violent, most provocative, and so everyone else

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Speaker 1: just wishes this problem away and no leadership has emerged,

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Speaker 1: you know, to try and solve it or variant, and

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Speaker 1: so it persists. And I think we're in for another

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Speaker 1: cycle or two where it's chaos versus competency on the ballot.

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Speaker 1: If you look at this Republican Party right, so we're

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Speaker 1: it certainly looks like Trump is in for more legal

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Speaker 1: problems in your mind, I mean, do you think that

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Speaker 1: these people will go along with the Santis, which is

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Speaker 1: the hope of the donor class. I mean, you're with

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Speaker 1: them every day. I mean, do these seat people seem

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Speaker 1: like they would switch their allegiances. I still seem only that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump commands thirty tot of you know,

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Speaker 1: the Republican base, and if it's a crowded field, he's

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Speaker 1: going to keep that base. And by the way, Ronda

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Speaker 1: Santis is one charmless guy. I don't know if met him,

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Speaker 1: but we don't elect charmless people to be president of

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Speaker 1: the United States. The way that Trump has been like

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Speaker 1: just pounding him and getting so personal with him, calling

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Speaker 1: him a groomer, you know, etc. And de Santis isn't

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Speaker 1: punching back. It reminds me of Ted Cruz and that

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Speaker 1: didn't last long. If you're not going to punch back

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Speaker 1: against Trump, I think you're going to be chewed up

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Speaker 1: and spit out, just like the other eighteen candidates in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. And so if he's not willing to do that,

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Speaker 1: and I think he will join the ranks of you know,

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Speaker 1: Jeb Scott Walker and many of the other rising stars

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Speaker 1: you know in the party whose names and whereabouts were

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Speaker 1: all unclear on now, right, I mean it seems like

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Speaker 1: the on de Santis could very much have a ted

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Speaker 1: cruise trajectory. Again. If you're not willing to punch back

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Speaker 1: and you can't do again, you can't do it in

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Speaker 1: a you know, Marco Rubio immature way, right, you're going

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Speaker 1: to have to land punches. And to me, you're I

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Speaker 1: don't want to give these guys advice, But Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is a loser, right. He lost the House in eighteen,

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Speaker 1: he lost the White House in twenty. He weighed in

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Speaker 1: against the advice of everybody in the party in twenty

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Speaker 1: two and just lost across the board. And so you

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Speaker 1: can run a cult in America, but in a democracy,

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Speaker 1: I just don't understand how you can run a party

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Speaker 1: and lead a party if you're a three time loser,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem to me that you need to

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Speaker 1: say anything more than that. But if you do that,

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Speaker 1: you better be able to stand up to what's going

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Speaker 1: to come back from him. And if you're not able to,

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Speaker 1: then you're not going to beat him. And you certainly

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Speaker 1: haven't passed the test of being president, which means having

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Speaker 1: to stand up to a lot of bad people in

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Speaker 1: the world. So let me ask you about what is

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Speaker 1: happening with the Congress now? Is there any serious stuff

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Speaker 1: getting done in this Jim Jordan Congress. Yeah, they're about

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Speaker 1: to make the AR fifteen the National Gun of America.

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Speaker 1: And I get a lot of letters asking me where

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Speaker 1: are we going to name a national gun of America?

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Speaker 1: So that makes sense that they've focused so much on that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it's it's a problem. I mean, you're not kidding,

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Speaker 1: you're actually being serious. Yeah, they're seeking to do that. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there's legislation. Wait what, Yes, I'm not I'm not kidding.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty stupid. But Molly, the way I see it,

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Speaker 1: there are three things they have to do, really like,

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Speaker 1: they can do all their crazy They can name national

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Speaker 1: guns of America. They can go to the DCH jail,

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Speaker 1: you know, and have as many visits as they like.

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Speaker 1: But you have to pay America's bills by extending the

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Speaker 1: debt ceiling. You have to keep the government open later

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Speaker 1: this fall, and you have to keep Ukraine in the

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Speaker 1: fight against Russia. And you're going to have to mondo

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Speaker 1: the crisis of the moment right now as we speak.

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Speaker 1: You know, there is a major, major banking crisis. Silicon

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Speaker 1: Valley Bank, which banks a lot of tech biotechs startups,

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Speaker 1: is in collapse. And if we don't find a way

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Speaker 1: to guarantee deposits beyond the FDIC limit, a lot of companies,

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Speaker 1: small and medium sized companies are not going to be

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Speaker 1: able to make their pay and it could it could

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Speaker 1: tank the global economy if we don't get it right.

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Speaker 1: And so again, you can go to the dcjail all

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Speaker 1: you like, but you actually have to do real things

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Speaker 1: when a real crisis comes. And I'm just afraid that

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Speaker 1: these guys may not be up for it. So if

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Speaker 1: they can take time away from the DC jail and

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Speaker 1: just focus on paying our bills, funding the government, keeping

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Speaker 1: Ukraine in the fight, and responding to a crisis like this,

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Speaker 1: everything will be Okay. The good news is there's competency

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Speaker 1: on our side. We only need just a few of

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Speaker 1: them to cross over. We don't need Gates and Jordan

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Speaker 1: and Green and Bobert. We just need a few responsibles

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Speaker 1: to cross over, and we'll be fine. Because that's the

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Speaker 1: next big dramas the dead ceiling in June. Yeah and

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Speaker 1: so yeah, Secretary Yelling said, you know, this is around

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Speaker 1: the corner. There's no magic wand away. There's no going

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Speaker 1: back in time and changing spending that we already agreed

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Speaker 1: to in dollars. I already went out the door. We

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Speaker 1: just have to show the world and creditors that, you know,

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Speaker 1: when we wrack up a bill, whether you're at a

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Speaker 1: bar or you're at a federal bank, we pay our bills.

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Speaker 1: And so Republicans want to use this to otherwise pass

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Speaker 1: priorities that they couldn't pass, you know, in Congress. You know,

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Speaker 1: so again it's it's very antimajority. They want to enact

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Speaker 1: harsh cuts to Social Security or Medicare, or get deeper

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Speaker 1: into Hunter Biden's laptop and leverage the need to extend

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Speaker 1: the debt ceiling. And it's just not going to work.

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Speaker 1: I agree with the president on not negotiating around this

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Speaker 1: because a big chunk of that debt is Donald Trump's

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Speaker 1: debt and spending that they did in twenty seventeen, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Trump tax bets, and so that's not negotiable. Yeah, unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks Molly. Danica Saverina Wynn is the vice

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Speaker 1: president for Abortion Access at Planned Parenthood. Welcome, Too Fast Politics, Dannica,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. So I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about what I mean. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: talk about it, but I feel that we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about this post row landscape. So first, will you

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Speaker 1: explain to our listeners what you do and how you

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Speaker 1: are functioning in this post Row world. Sure. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: am a midwife by training. I provide sexual and reproductive healthcare,

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Speaker 1: including medication abortion. I also have the privilege of working

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Speaker 1: for Planned Parenthood Federation of America or PPFA as the

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Speaker 1: vice president of Abortion Access. As you can imagine, that

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Speaker 1: is a busy job nowadays. Is the ruling in the

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Speaker 1: Jobs decision that overturned revivweight means that I spend a

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Speaker 1: lot of time working with my team and teams across

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Speaker 1: the national office to ensure that in states where abortion

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Speaker 1: is still legal, that we are able to provide care

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Speaker 1: to the best of our ability and see as many

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Speaker 1: patients as possible and sure they get the care that

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Speaker 1: they need and deserve. Will you explain to us a

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Speaker 1: little bit about what's happening right now with medication abortion

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Speaker 1: in America. Yeah, absolutely so. Over the past several years,

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Speaker 1: medication abortion has increased in popularity for a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 1: Now more than half of abortions in the United States

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Speaker 1: are abortioned by pills, which is another term for medication abortion.

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Speaker 1: It's typically done early in the pregnancy, usually up to

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Speaker 1: about ten or eleven weeks gestation in many places. Right now,

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Speaker 1: there is an active case in the Northern District of

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Speaker 1: Texas where one of the medications that's used for medication abortion,

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Speaker 1: it's a typically two step process, mithopristone, is at risk

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Speaker 1: of being taken off the market. This ruling is unprecedented

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Speaker 1: as this drug has FDA approved and has been used

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Speaker 1: for years with an incredible safety record. What it means

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Speaker 1: is that we could lose access to the most effective

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Speaker 1: method of medication abortion and also a very effective method

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Speaker 1: for miscarriage management in this country, and it could impact

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Speaker 1: both states and without access to abortion. So I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you a little bit about how the FDA

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Speaker 1: monitors method pre zone because it's pretty interesting. Will you

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Speaker 1: talk about that, because it's not monitored like a normal drug,

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Speaker 1: it's actually monitored more right, Right, myfopristone has been under

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Speaker 1: what's called the rems by the FDA for a long time.

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Speaker 1: So what that means is that there is a registration

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Speaker 1: basically that has to happen in order for it to

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Speaker 1: be dispensed, and prior to very recently, it wasn't only

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Speaker 1: able to be dispensed in an office setting, so people

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Speaker 1: had to go into an office to be provided with

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Speaker 1: the medication. And because of that, we have even more

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Speaker 1: extensive data than we would otherwise about the safety and

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Speaker 1: effectiveness of mythoprestone. Right. But I want to point out

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Speaker 1: I think really an important kind of thing that Republicans

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Speaker 1: are doing the Anti Choice Crew. Part of their argument

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Speaker 1: is that methapre zone is not safe, right, which is

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Speaker 1: patently false. So it is unfortunately a case where we

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Speaker 1: have politicians and decision makers in government making a decision

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Speaker 1: about evidence based research without the knowledge and training to

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Speaker 1: do so. So these are decisions that should be made

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Speaker 1: between a person and their healthcare provider because we understand

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Speaker 1: and know, oh that that's the best and safest way

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Speaker 1: to provide care. And in this case, we have a

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Speaker 1: situation where there's basically junk science being used to make

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Speaker 1: decisions about medical care that's incredibly personal. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: incredible that we're in this place in twenty twenty three

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Speaker 1: where we're having to demonstrate over and over again that

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Speaker 1: the literature and the research clearly show safety. Yet there

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Speaker 1: is a potential that one judge could make a decision

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Speaker 1: for the whole country to remove a medication that is

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Speaker 1: completely safe from the market. Yeah, it's it's completely crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean this reminds me a lot of SBA, because

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Speaker 1: in Texas, SBA was passed and we kept thinking that

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Speaker 1: someone would do something sane and no one ever did

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Speaker 1: right in the right right. I mean I feel like

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Speaker 1: everyone was like, yeah, yeah, SPA. I mean, but they

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Speaker 1: were like but eventually, and so I'm curious. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is so is a similar attitude people have, which

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Speaker 1: is that, oh, a judge can do an injunction against

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Speaker 1: this right. I mean, there's a lot of feeling that

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Speaker 1: maybe the legal channels will prevent this from being enacted. Sure,

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of different ways that

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Speaker 1: this could come down, and really we won't know the

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Speaker 1: exact ramifications or impact of this case until we actually

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Speaker 1: see the decision and see how it's written. Advocates will

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Speaker 1: continue to fight every step of the way to prevent

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Speaker 1: methocystem from being taken off the market, but at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, we really just have to question

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Speaker 1: how did we get here and what are they coming

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Speaker 1: for next? Well, yeah, I want to just also mention

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Speaker 1: that if this keeps getting kicked up in the courts,

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Speaker 1: which a lot of these anti choice activists are quite

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Speaker 1: good at finding things and getting them kicked up in

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Speaker 1: the courts, ultimately our Supreme Court is profoundly anti choice. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We saw that certainly in the oral arguments for the

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Speaker 1: Job's case. I mean, their feelings were pretty clear if

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Speaker 1: you read through those or arguments or if you were listening.

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Speaker 1: So it is incredibly alarming to have a politically active

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court. That's just not how it's supposed to go.

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Speaker 1: And so knowing that that is a possibility definitely should

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Speaker 1: make people worried about what that means, what The larger

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Speaker 1: implications are for healthcare, because abortion is healthcare. Healthcare is

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Speaker 1: a human right, and this could just be the tip

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Speaker 1: of the iceberg. If one judge is able to take

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Speaker 1: a medication off the market, what's next? No, exactly. Now

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Speaker 1: here's a question for you about this. There's a case

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Speaker 1: in Tensis right now of these women who could not

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Speaker 1: get the treatment that they needed because of the SBA law.

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Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that. What we're

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Speaker 1: seeing is a case where five people have come forward

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Speaker 1: who medical care was denied and delayed as a result

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Speaker 1: of the restrictive laws in Texas, cases where they were

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Speaker 1: experiencing fetal loss or significant harm to themselves due to

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Speaker 1: complications in their pregnancy. The idea that somebody needs to

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Speaker 1: be so sick that they are in critical danger of

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Speaker 1: death before they can get life saving medical care because

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Speaker 1: of restrictive laws and not due to any type of

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Speaker 1: science is alarming. And these are a perfect example of

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Speaker 1: how it's not just about abortion. It goes so much

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Speaker 1: further a mess right. This has impacts on miscarriage management,

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Speaker 1: It has impacts on providing people life saving care during pregnancy,

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Speaker 1: has impacts on IVF and again like We just really

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Speaker 1: need to think about what the larger ramifications are if

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Speaker 1: we do not rise up together and fight against this.

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Speaker 1: The thing I'm struck by is that we're finally starting

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Speaker 1: to see these women who are not pro choice, but

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Speaker 1: who have gotten pregnant and have had needed miscarriage management,

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Speaker 1: They too, are starting to understand this. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we hear stories, unfortunately all the time, of people who

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Speaker 1: faced harm or near harm because of restrictive laws like

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Speaker 1: lens in Texas. I've certainly heard stories as well if

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Speaker 1: people worried about moving during their pregnancy to a state

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Speaker 1: with an abortion ban because they worry about their health

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Speaker 1: and state of health care for them while they're pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Criminalization of pregnancy is absurd. Having life threatening health outcomes

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Speaker 1: because of laws is absurd. There is no place for

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Speaker 1: a politician in an exam room in a hospital. Providers

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Speaker 1: should really be able to make the best decisions based

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Speaker 1: on evidence and based on science that they can for

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Speaker 1: their patients without having to worry about prosecution. As this

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Speaker 1: goes on, we're seeing more and more just how much

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Speaker 1: abortion really is healthcare. Yeah, I mean, I am grateful

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Speaker 1: in many ways that you said that, because I do

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Speaker 1: think it is allowing people to understand just how complex

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Speaker 1: this issue is and that it really does have a

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Speaker 1: much larger impact than conservatives in our government would like

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Speaker 1: you to believe. Yeah, I think it's pretty interesting. So

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Speaker 1: there's clearly like a concerted effort from these anti choice

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Speaker 1: activists to take away all choice period paragraph whatever that

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Speaker 1: looks like, and abortion and miscarriage management, which isn't even

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Speaker 1: a choice, right, it's just what it is. What else

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Speaker 1: do you see on the horizon of them going after

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they've made it very clear that

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Speaker 1: they want to see a federal ban on abortion. Actually

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Speaker 1: they said that they want to leave it to the states,

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Speaker 1: but then they're clearly signaling what they would do if

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Speaker 1: they are able to get the majority in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four elections, and so that's terrifying. But I think we're

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Speaker 1: also seeing attacks on what we are seeing attacks on

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Speaker 1: gender affirming hormone therapy, we're seeing attacks on contraception. I

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Speaker 1: think the restrictive access that could happen even in some

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Speaker 1: states has trickle effects on our whole country. Twenty something

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Speaker 1: states cannot take care of everyone across the country when

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Speaker 1: it comes to their sexual and reproductive health needs, and

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Speaker 1: in situations where we are seeing the ability for government

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Speaker 1: to interfere with even the medications that we have on

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Speaker 1: the market outside of the FDA and outside of evidence

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Speaker 1: is striking. I wanted to talk for one second about

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Speaker 1: the larger implications of like the morning after pill, for example,

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Speaker 1: like that has We've seen a lot of conservatives come

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Speaker 1: for the morning app right, they're sort of that IVF.

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Speaker 1: I mean, those are sort of what is first control maybe,

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is what seems like it's on the

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Speaker 1: agenda for them. Yeah, And it's the constant misinformation campaigns

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Speaker 1: that I think allow them to march forward and continue

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Speaker 1: to spread lies that you know, the morning after pill

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Speaker 1: or emergency contraception is the same as an abortion. It's

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Speaker 1: patently untrue. It is that is not how it works. Similarly,

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Speaker 1: you know, we heard those arguments when they were working

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Speaker 1: really hard to prevent the morning after pill from going

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Speaker 1: over the counter. But despite the science, despite the evidence,

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Speaker 1: they continue to push forward misinformation as a way to

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Speaker 1: push forward their agenda of removing choice. Such a bomber.

856
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Speaker 1: What is it like working with people on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Are you seeing a lot of panic? I mean, so

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Speaker 1: I am a provider who because of my work with PPFA,

859
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Speaker 1: I see patients about once a month. I can tell

860
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Speaker 1: you that my colleagues across the country who are in

861
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Speaker 1: health centers day in and day out, are overwhelmed and

862
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Speaker 1: they are hearing stories that are heartbreaking about people traveling

863
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Speaker 1: distances for care that are beyond reasonable, beyond unreasonable. Rather,

864
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Speaker 1: they are hearing stories of people having to cobble together

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Speaker 1: funds and patchwork support for child care in order to

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Speaker 1: travel from southern Texas to Kansas, for example, or to Illinois.

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Speaker 1: They are being asked to provide care for more and

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Speaker 1: more people, and they want to because people who work

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Speaker 1: in this space typically it is a passion. They're there

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Speaker 1: because they want to support patients. And so I think

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Speaker 1: the patients are struggling, and the patients deserve access to healthcare.

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Speaker 1: But the providers are all so struggling, and they have

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Speaker 1: been asked to take on larger and larger caseloads to

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Speaker 1: serve more and more people because of restrictive laws in

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Speaker 1: some states. Do you think Republicans just keep going? I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you think they ever are like, Wow, this is

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Speaker 1: not popular. People don't like this. I mean, that's The

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Speaker 1: thing I'm always shocked by is like I feel like,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't sooner or later they have a kind of come

880
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: to Jesus moment and they're like, this is ridiculous. Obviously

881
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Speaker 1: this is not serving anyone or but that seems to

882
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Speaker 1: not be what's happening. I mean, we would only hope

883
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Speaker 1: because truly it's not reflective of right what the people

884
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Speaker 1: across this country want. Democratic Republican I mean, it's so clear. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly we see that people support the right to abortion access,

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Speaker 1: and so I don't know what it will take to

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Speaker 1: get folks to recognize that this is not the will

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Speaker 1: of the people. That I do hope that in upcoming elections,

889
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: as more and more of this comes out and as

890
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: people really see what the agenda is here, that they

891
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: are going to make their voices heard in the voting

892
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Speaker 1: booths and they're going to make sure that folks who

893
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Speaker 1: are ignoring the will of the people are not in

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Speaker 1: charge of our country. Thank you so much, Donica, that

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Speaker 1: was really I really am glad you came, and I

896
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Speaker 1: hope you'll come back. Thank you so much. Thanks for

897
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Speaker 1: having me. I appreciate you raising up awareness about the

898
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Speaker 1: state of reproductive healthcare and abortion access in this country.

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Speaker 1: So in Florida, Ronda Santas fired a prosecutor named Andrew Warren,

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Speaker 1: a state attorney. Yes, who we've both been talking to, right,

901
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: we both talked to him after Ron fired him. It

902
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: was revealed this week that when Ronda Santis's staff brought

903
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: him the report, he wanted to say, tell me how

904
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: he's a liberal sorrows controlled libtard liberal. It turned out

905
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: they were like, we don't have anything on this. So

906
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: he just fired him based purely on executive preference, not

907
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: for cause. Can he do that? There's a long reason

908
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Speaker 1: why governors are more powerful right now that they don't

909
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: want to talk about on the air, But I'll tell

910
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: it to you off the air later. But Florida governors

911
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 1: have a lot more power than they used to since

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00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: the two thousand constitutional revision. Okay, so this is a

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00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: state issue. Yeah, it looks like he can. But in

914
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Speaker 1: the legal case that was brought against De Santists, it

915
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Speaker 1: doesn't look like that they told the truth about this.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know where it leads. But the moment

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Speaker 1: of fuckery here is a pure example that Rod de

918
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: Santists for every one of these National Review jerk offs

919
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: who think I want to live in the limit the

920
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: power of government. Right, Well, your boy Rod de Santis,

921
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: who you write twenty thousand words a week about claiming

922
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: that his farts smell like rainbows and honeysuckle, and then

923
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: he's the best tallest person ever and the smartest man

924
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 1: in the room, and the savior of the Republican Party,

925
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: that women get pregnant just by looking at him, and

926
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: that the women sings a sweet song every night when

927
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Speaker 1: he puts his head on the pillow. All this bullshit.

928
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Speaker 1: This is a guy who is rampant, who is a

929
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: rampant record of an abusive state power. He is the

930
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Speaker 1: number one abuser of state power in the country and

931
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Speaker 1: that includes states like fucking Tennessee and Mississippi. People, Okay,

932
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: so Florida, stan Is. This is one more example that

933
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Speaker 1: if you are a limited government conservative, the few that

934
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: are left, this is not your guy. But if you're

935
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: an unlimited government conservative, which is the new breed of Republican,

936
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Speaker 1: well there you go. My moment of fuckery has got

937
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: to be the poor Nicky Haley destroying herself as she

938
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Speaker 1: continues to try to win people over with raising the

939
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Speaker 1: retirement raid and cutting medicare. Oh yes, there's just nothing.

940
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: There's nothing seniors want to hear more. Then, hey, grandma,

941
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: you can eat that food into your seventy She is

942
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: an incredible politician because two weeks ago she was like,

943
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: there should be a competency age for everyone over seventy five.

944
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: Those are your voters. So they love for you. You

945
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 1: say that they're in competent already, they love that. And

946
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Speaker 1: then the second thing, which my other favorite, is that

947
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Speaker 1: everyone who's in their twenties now should not, you know,

948
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Speaker 1: have raised the retirement age. They are rioting in France

949
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: right now because of this raising. Is what seventy right,

950
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Speaker 1: Mark it down. Nicky Haley is going to come in

951
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: third or maybe fourth in her own home state. Mark

952
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: it down. Put it down. I'm putting one hundred bucks

953
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: on it. Mark it down. She's going to come in

954
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: third or fourth in her own home state. This person

955
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: is not a good candidate, yea. She is a candidate

956
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Speaker 1: who has again remember what I said earlier, your best day,

957
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: your campaign's your first day. She's on the downhill slope

958
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: in this thing right now, headed toward political oblivion at

959
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: rocket speed. She is not a good candidate. We need

960
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: to have to understand that some people have the gift.

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley does not have the gift. Do any of

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00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: these candidates have the gift besides Donald Trump? And again,

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00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: the gift is a curse. But I don't do you

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Speaker 1: see anyone who's like charismatic and who's going to go

965
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: on there and charm the field. Name one of those

966
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: people who has the gift. You can't even the hypotheticals. Okay, well,

967
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Speaker 1: Mike Pence, no, certainly no Scott, Tim Scott maybe gift adjacent,

968
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Speaker 1: but he's not. He's not ready for this thing for

969
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: a host of reasons that need not be discussed. He's

970
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: not going to survive the vetting. Oh Tim Scott isn't. Yeah,

971
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Speaker 1: no way, no fucking way. Let's put it this way.

972
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Speaker 1: South Carolina is not going to produce a presidential candidate

973
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Speaker 1: right now. Right there's just not The flaws are too

974
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Speaker 1: vast for the for the rest of the field, it's

975
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Speaker 1: not going to happen. But none of these people that

976
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Speaker 1: are even perspectives, I mean, Jesus Christ, Josh Holly, ted Cruise,

977
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Speaker 1: even if they wanted to get in right and there

978
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: are still a lot of there like I'm not going

979
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: to run, but they're working out right, right. None of

980
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: them have the gift. Some of them have the gift

981
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Speaker 1: with Republican like own the Libs stuff, right, But that's

982
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: not sufficient to win a presidential nomination. It's not sufficient

983
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: to win a presidential race. And I will tell you

984
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Speaker 1: a great candidate with a bad campaign can sometimes pull

985
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: it off. A bad candidate with a great campaign can

986
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: rarely pull it off. Rick Wilson, there it is, and

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Speaker 1: there it is the moment of wisdom. Thank you, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I shall not return. That's it for this episode of

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to

990
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Speaker 1: your the best minds in politics makes sense of all

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Speaker 1: this chaos. If you enjoyed what you've heard, please send

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Speaker 1: it to a friend and keep the conversation going. And again,

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Speaker 1: thanks for listening.