WEBVTT - Paul Manafort Update: He's Still Somehow Even Worse Than You Know 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.360 Hello everybody. I'm Robert Evanson. This is once again Behind 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:08.200 the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything you 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:10.600 don't know about the very worst people in all of history. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.440 And this week today I should say, we have a 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:19.640 special bonus episode with our special bonus guest, Jamie Loftus bonus. 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:22.479 That's better than normal. It's good. If I was just like, 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:24.560 this is just our boring as run of the mill guests, 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.840 they're like, oh we got this too, Yeah, all right, 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.120 this is a surprise. This is like on Tuesday we 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:35.160 gave our audience like a sandwich, and today ice cream Sunday. Okay, 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:36.960 I was gonna say, not a bad surprise, not like 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.000 a flash mob or anything. No, no, no, like one 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.200 of the ice cream Sundays they order on Star Trek 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.880 that are gigantic and larger than any human being whatever 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.239 actually eat, because oh yeah, people are always ordering ice 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.279 cream Sundays on Star Trek. Should watch that program. It's 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.920 got a lot of ice cream really, like pornographically large 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.840 ice cream sun more ice cream based media. So, Jamie, 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.400 how are you doing today? I'm good. Thanks for having 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.679 me back, Thanks for coming back. Now, regular listeners will 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:06.280 not that Jamie was with us on our very first 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.920 episode where we talked about Saddam Hussein's romantic novels which 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.000 we still have, which we still have, just need to 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.440 get it translated. Yeah, we've got a new romantic novel 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.760 from Saddam. Oh okay, that is his third novel, but 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:20.480 the one that hasn't been translated that we're prolific. Yeah, 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.640 we're going to crack the code and do some stage readings. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.240 We have to translate it from Japanese, the only language 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.319 it's been published and since he was hung But any 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:32.920 listeners feel like translating an entire book, like a hundred 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:35.720 and twenty thousand words. But to be fair, we hear 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.240 they're pretty good. We're here, it's pretty good. It's supposed 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:41.160 to be Saddam's Game of Thrones. Yeah, toward it forthcoming. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.160 But today we are talking about Paul Manafort. But before 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:46.800 we do that, I should introduce what you do, Jamie. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.040 You have a podcast, the Bectel Cast. I do on 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:52.280 this on this very hate slits What's Up network? That 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.320 that is what we call our network. It's located on 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:57.880 the New York Stock Exchange is just sluts. But need 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:01.920 to I know and they're like, oh wow, slut stock 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:06.559 is up and they're not wrong. Uh yeah Bechtel cast 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:15.120 comedian writer. That's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Well today, Jamie, 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:16.720 you know who we're talking about because you just listened 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:18.480 to the first two parts we've done on Paul Manafort. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.640 Really listened, big fans. In fact, that's very sweet. I 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.679 heard you do an ad about belts. I'm actually wearing 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.920 the belt that we advertise right now. Wow. I just 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.720 spent nine on belts. You has sold me on the belt. 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.320 That's a nice belt. You ordered a lot of belts. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.320 I got a lot of belts. That's too many belts 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.959 from the belt And I'm like, paumana for I don't 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:42.960 know how much things cost. Well, we'll be talking about 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:45.800 Paul Manafort's taste in clothing and uh and what he 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.560 spends on clothing, and we'll also be talking about some 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.959 some really painfully personal text messages between his daughters. Did 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:55.760 you search the data? Oh yeah, yeah, We're going to 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.280 be right on the edge of good taste with this. Yeah, 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.520 everybody's id. So when we last left our dear friend 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:05.639 Paul Manaford his trial for massive financial fraud and failing 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:07.880 to register as a foreign agent was about to begin. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.680 In the weeks since that episode, Paul Manafort has been 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.680 convicted and rolled as far as a man can roll, 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.760 and signed a plea agreement with the Mueller or Mueller investigation. 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.440 That's fun. Kind of angry at him for having a 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.560 name that makes me want to say Mueller when Muller. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.400 I know he chose. I mean, at some point the 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:30.160 less fun pronunciation was canonical. I imagine that he has 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.079 this last name because for generations back in the old Country, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.080 his family just mulled wine, put like spices and hot wine. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.640 I always wonder, I'm like, what did my family and 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.800 my family ever done anything? They lofted, they what they 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.880 had lofts. They were built lots my guests. Therefore they 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:52.320 weren't living in them. There probably making them that. Or 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:56.440 they were aircraft pioneers. Oh that would be kind of nice. Yeah, 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.480 they were Italian aircraft pioneers and it was the aloft 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.040 is faan late and then they came here in Ellis Island. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.960 They were like, no, we're taking the a off now 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.280 and then we're now we're going to build lofts for 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.720 other people. And now you make that clat tail as 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.800 oldest time, and now I do that today. And Paul 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:17.279 Manaforts ancestors manned forts, kind of true, kind of kind 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.200 of true, kind of true, true enough, journey with you, 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.400 everyone's last name, the secret to their their ancestry. My 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:28.599 relatives lived in vans. There you go, we go so 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:35.960 um like digital vans. Yes, even Yeah, I enjoyed that. Yeah, 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.520 it was a fun little digression. So this moment, we 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:41.320 don't know how long exactly Paul Manaforts going to spend 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.960 in prison. I think next Februaries when he gets sentenced. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.640 The max from the plea deal he signed is a decade, 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.560 but it will probably be somewhat less than that. However, 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.039 since Paul is already sixty nine, even a five years 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:56.920 switch pretty sick. Even a five year sentence is good 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.000 chance of being a life sentence for him. The odds 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.560 of Paul Manafort dying in prison seemed to have raised recently, 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.960 based on an appearance he made in court on Friday, 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.800 October nine. Is this the wheelchair thing? This is the 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.440 wheelchair thing? Yeah? Okay. Paul was wheeled into court in 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.719 a wheelchair and looking very sick. His lawyer says that 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.440 he has significant health issues related to the terms of 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.720 his confinement. He had like his one leg elevated and 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.440 like a sock on instead of his shoes so much, 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:29.800 so much it reminded me of when Robert Durst when 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:31.760 the court wearing a neck brace and was like, I 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:36.599 couldn't have done it. I was on meth. That was 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.120 what Manaford took it to an eleven. He's like, if 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:44.080 Robert Durst had no personality, Yeah, nobody wanted to hang 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.719 out with Robert Durst, which everyone unfortunately does. I mean, 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.839 who wouldn't. He's so cool, super cool. I used to 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.600 make calendars of my fan art of him. I know 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:57.080 that that's not joke, which takes it a step too far, 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.400 and I stopped doing it. Well, you know, when you 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.040 realize you can step too far, what are your options? 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.000 You step backwards, or you step even further, or you 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.200 make posters, Yeah, you make posters that you change your 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:12.640 name anyway. Paul Manaford, Yeah, basically it seems like he's 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.600 claiming he has gout and that's what he has to 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.320 be in a wheelchair in his leg. That rich Man's 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:21.320 the rich man rich Man leg. Yeah, rich eating too 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.559 much sugar. I don't know, either gout or diabetes would 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.000 be possible causes of something like that, or he might 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.119 just be lying to try and get, you know, out 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.080 of being in prison for longer. Does he have a 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.920 history of history of Paul Manaford? Does he has he 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.600 ever lied before? I don't know. I don't know if 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.640 we have any evidence of him being manipulative. I mean, 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.280 we have no evidence that killed anyone. No, we don't know. 0:06:43.480 --> 0:06:46.320 I accepted in self defence and self defense and that 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:52.919 time he admitted it in the bathroom, and that with 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.320 Paul Manaford. Of course, we have the text messages his 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.680 daughter sent and talking about the things their dad told them. 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.600 The daughters are so chaotic evil. It's amazing how almost 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:07.359 no criminals at that level of crime can avoid admitting 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.040 what they've done. Like, you don't run into a lot 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.120 of like crack dealers who in interviews with people are like, yep, 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:19.080 I sell crack, right. I don't know. If you're doing crimes, 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:21.840 don't brag about it. Don't brag about the crimes while 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:27.000 you're committing them in public. It's pretty wild. Don't tell 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.040 your daughters who text on unsecured cell phones about the 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.600 crimes you're committing for a dictator. These are lessons that 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.360 nobody should actually learn, because then these people wouldn't get caught. 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:40.800 But yeah, that's true. Yea. So Paul Manafort is apparently 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:43.720 very sick and on death's door. According to Paul Manafort, 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:49.120 have to be released, Let me out of prison. Police. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.600 The prosecution does still have the option to waive a 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:55.880 lot of his convictions if he helps them out enough. 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.400 So right now, the ten things that he wasn't convicted 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.360 for when he got his original intense they've said, we're 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.240 not going to try you again on these things, but 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.680 we could try him again if he doesn't wind up 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.760 giving the prosecution very much. So is the deadline for 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.560 that when his trial begins or is that just indefinite. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.560 I think it's like by February or something, if they're 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.160 going to triumph with no It seems like there is 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:17.920 a ticking clock. We're going to see what else they 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.600 get from him. But yeah, it's possible he'll be dismissed 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:23.960 and won't spend much more time in prison. It's possible 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.400 he will die there. I do want to draw your attention, 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:31.160 Jamie to one last line from a CNN article that 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.000 I read that was sort of introducing the fact that 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.120 he'd come to court in a wheelchair. Quote. Manafort's wife 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.679 was not in the courtroom on Friday. She previously attended 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.199 most of his hearings in the entirety of his Virginia trial. 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:47.480 Why might that be? I don't I don't know. Was 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:51.240 it perhaps that he was serially philandering on her and 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:57.000 probably wasn't actually sick? Now, his rampant cheating may have 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.400 had something to do with the fact that she wasn't there, 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:02.080 although she knew about Everyone knew about his rampant cheating 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:06.080 when she was there for his Virginia trial. Um. But 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.320 some more information about Paul Manafford's love life has cropped 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.560 up since the last time we discussed him. Do you 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.959 wanna take a guess at what else he did? Dish? 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:18.720 Do you do some freaky ship that wasn't legal? Well, 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.360 the legality is in question, but it seems like he 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.280 repeatedly forced his wife to have group sex with anonymous men, 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.080 despite her horror at the idea and complete disinclination to 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.600 do so. That is absolutely horrible. Now, that's just according 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:38.320 to his daughters. There the most possible reli Okay, Okay, 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.839 so when was this happening. Well, this was apparently was 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.920 happening for years, but the text message conversations his daughters 0:09:43.960 --> 0:09:46.240 found out in late two thousand fourteen. So then why 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:51.000 has his wife decided to just be like angry enough 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.360 to not come to court about that? Now, It's interesting. 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.600 Part of me would guess that maybe it's you know, 0:09:55.640 --> 0:10:00.640 with abusive relationships, oftentimes people feel sort of still attached 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.760 to that person until they get enough distance to realize, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:04.960 oh my god, that was fucked up, or get like 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.080 enough information of like know this person was doing all 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:10.560 this stuff and then some you got to get to 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.000 the end vandem and they were together for a long time, 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.000 you know, she made him Yeah, forty years. We're going 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:18.960 to read some conversation between his daughters. They give you 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.720 some insight into his wife's head. So she was clearly 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:23.520 I'm not going to judge her at all. I don't 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.440 even feel comfortable using her name in the episode, just 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:29.560 because like, go live your life, lady, Like, yeah, get out. 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.720 That's so horrible that he subjected her to that in 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:36.640 the first place. Yes, So here's Paul's daughter Andrea texting 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.960 her sister Jess about their mother. This is right after 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.800 Andrea found out what had been happening. Quote. She just 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.920 admitted to me how she feels like she always does 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.240 stuff he wants, but he doesn't do the stuff she wants. 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.120 And I asked, what does he make you do? And 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:50.360 she said group sex and it makes her sick. She 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:51.960 is saying that we can never tell him. We know 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.600 that she is confiding in us, but if he finds out, 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:56.520 we know there is no way he will ever forgive 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.040 her for telling us. He likes to watch her, to 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.360 which Jess respond she has to leave him if she 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.840 doesn't want that, and he does. Dad is a sex addict, Andrea, 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:08.040 I've known about this for a long time. So his 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.160 daughter's repeatedly make mentions of the fact that they think 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:12.880 their dad is a sex addict. So that seems to 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:15.640 be like commonly accepted knowledge within the Man and Fort family. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.920 But I also think that's really unfair because it becomes 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.440 clear later that what he's doing goes beyond sex addiction. 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:24.600 So at one point, Jess claims that their dad refuses 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:26.480 therapy because it feels to him like he isn't the 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:32.240 dominant one. Uh tracks. That tracks and another conversation his 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.880 daughters describe quote the stuff he has made her do 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.080 as outrageous, involving a room full of men and just 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:43.080 her while dad tapes it all. Um, Yeah, okay, I 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.480 mean it's it's so frustrating because when stories like that break, 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.760 it just turns into like this kink shaming party when 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.360 it's like, no, the issues she did not want to 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.400 do it and her husband was making her do it 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:58.320 anyways because power dynamics be fucked up. Yeah, the issue 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.199 is not Paul Manaffords life in Paul Manaford. Are having 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.960 crazy group sex. That's fine if you're both into it, 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:12.680 dope tape. Otherwise, Yeah, exactly, leak the tape. I actually 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:14.560 would like to listen that statement. I don't want to 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.839 see Paulman for having groups X. I just don't. I 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.040 don't want to see having group sex. But I'm on 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.840 record that I think if you're a federal level politician 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.360 the United States and elected, you should be filmed. Well, 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:27.000 you should be filmed at all times, like if you 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:28.800 want to be in Congress, you want to be the president, 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:30.079 you want to be a supreme but we see every 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:31.600 time you go to the bathroom, every time you fuck 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.080 you can just tune in on a channel, and if 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.520 you screw up there, like we're leaking your poo poo 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.600 pep tapes, you'll just be available. Everyone can stream that. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.600 So for all politicians, all of them, all the time. 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.480 If you want to be elected, that's what you do. Okay, 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.160 I think that would fix Are you a sinister view? 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.200 I mean if it's so politicians have to get hotter 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:56.560 immediately or no one's going to watch, well that's probably 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.960 all right. You don't want a lot of people watching. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:01.960 You want just enough people to make really good super 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.160 cuts off everyone in Congress poopin. As a part of 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:08.200 the hacker community, there will be hackers who developed technology 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.800 to give you push notification to your phone every time 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:17.240 your favorite politician PEPs it'll it'll slip fast, yeah, or 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:20.360 like the Ted cruises fucking cam and everyone do I 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.680 want to see t he's just making love to a 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:28.160 can of lukewarm soup. I love that you give him 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.640 the credit of assuming the soup would be lukewarm and 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:36.839 not bone chillingly cold. No, he goes imagine just for 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.800 everyone listening to Sure, Yeah, I don't even know. I 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.320 think he has sex with a flacid penis. Yeah, I 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.840 think you, Yeah, with a flasid penis Fox a lukewarm 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.480 ca can of soup. Yeah, Ted Cruise Fox, a lukewarm 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:50.440 can of soup and doesn't even care that the kind 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:53.240 of the sharp edges of the can are are grinding 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.319 against his taint and cutting it open. He's got all this, 0:13:56.640 --> 0:14:00.640 He's got all these cuts on his penus. His wife's like, Ted, 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:04.959 what's going on. It's like the soup. It's honest about 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:08.360 the soup, Lion, Ted and see, and that's why we're 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.439 not going to King shame Ted Cruz, because that's fine. 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.640 Everyone should. Everyone has the right to a can of 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:17.240 soup at least once. You gotta know, I'm more of 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:21.480 like a bagged soup guy. You're whoa is there bagged soup? 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.080 You've never had bagged soup? Where you get bagged sus 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.000 You're an East coastie. Yeah, over there, we're all on 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.360 the West coast. It's all in bags. Why that's just 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:38.640 the best way to carry loose soup. You've never gone 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:40.640 to one of those teenage sex parties where it's just 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.080 a kmart bag full of warm soup. And honestly, I 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.680 don't even like a soup. It's like power that was 0:14:46.720 --> 0:14:49.560 left in the sun. Like, I don't know how we 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:57.800 got onto this digression. But so back to its daughters. So, 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.160 after noting that their dad tapes everything, just said poor mom, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:04.640 Andrea said, she says, it's normal that you and I 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:06.760 probably do it. I know, I feel so, so, so 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.640 bad for her. Jess says, this is sick, Andrea, it's 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.720 filming a gang bang. Andrea says, I know. Jess goes 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:14.880 on to call her father abusive and claims that he 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.120 made their mother into a shell of a human being, 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.920 and then she said this. Mom says, you caught dad 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.400 once on a website or something and confronted him about it, 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:24.360 and he blew it off and told mom, see, she 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:27.520 does it too. Andrew responds that yes, she's caught their 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.000 father several times, and then says, I've seen the sights 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.320 up on his Trump computer and I know that they 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:34.400 had done group sex because of what Amanda told me 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.320 she found. I even thought I told Mom about that. 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.440 So it seems like from what his daughters are saying. 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.200 Paul Manafort, donald Trump's campaign manager, was using his official 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.680 Trump campaign issued computer to set up questionably consensual gang 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.920 bangs with his wife. The election was going on, on 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.960 the trail, on the trail, on the trail on the 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:59.440 tried this poor woman and Jesus Christ. So again, we're 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:00.960 not we're not we're not. We're not trying to do 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.480 King shaming here. Uh yeah, but I mean, yeah, you 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:10.240 have your sex computer and then your regular your work. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:11.800 I don't know, I mean, but I guess if it's 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.040 a Trump issued computer, it's okay to use it for 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.800 sex crimes. It's probably mostly for sex crimes, right, probably 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.640 actually will work faster than if you were doing work. Yeah. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:23.560 The reason that I think this is worth bringing up, 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:25.480 in addition to the fact that it's just horrifying, is 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:28.400 that it's kind of evidence that Paul Manafort conducted his 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.480 sex life and his family life the same way he 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:33.880 conducted his job, where it was all about what Paul 0:16:33.880 --> 0:16:37.520 Manafort could get and damn the human consequences of his actions. 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.920 Like Paul Manafort wanted a gang bang, so even though 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:43.520 his wife was obviously traumatized by all this stuff, they 0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:45.600 were going to keep doing it, like scheduling it to 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:49.480 like meetings. Well, he's an organized guy. He's an organized guy. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:54.640 I can see his children during conference cast, just I wow, 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.720 that is okay. Just Leader said quote, I've been finding 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.720 his weird ship my whole life. I found his first 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:01.840 black porn when I was eleven, but I figured it 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:03.760 was once in a while and mom was into it. 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.359 Clearly she was not. Jess goes on to lament her 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.440 father's serious control issues and then claim that what her 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.639 own father did to their mother was quote basically rape, 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:16.359 adding that quote she is a destroyed person. Andrew agreed 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.359 with us, saying, I agree this is emotional rape and 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.679 basically physically as well. So basically, yea, Paul Manafford's daughters 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:26.440 think their dad as a rapist. It is so, I mean, 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:32.120 it's it's confusing and scary to me how self aware 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:35.760 of everything that is happening that his daughters seemed, and 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:40.680 yet ultimately always choose the path of evil like it. 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:44.080 It seems like they could have busted their father so 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.760 many times over if they had more. I mean, them 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.280 being self aware is almost worse than if they were 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.280 just like, yeah, who knows, like where this is just 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.040 how people are? You know your dad is this gross 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:55.920 and you know that he's trying to help another guy 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.080 become president. Do you not wonder like maybe that guy's 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.000 gross as hell too. Maybe whatever he supports in an 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:06.119 election is the wrong one, right, Like, just don't do 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.480 They're like there's so so many opportunities for them to 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:16.160 get information from their dad and like help save something someone. Yeah, 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:21.880 I don't think they're good guys in this. They're bystanders. Yeah, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.879 they're they're bystanders when they didn't need to be. So 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.240 that we've established Paul's ghoulish lack of fox for the 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.800 human beings he professes to love, I'd like to read 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.879 one last quote about his sex life. Here's jess quote. 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.480 Did dad partake in the group? Were there women or 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.400 was it always just him watching mom with other men? 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.199 To which Andy responded she said he did partake, but 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:42.880 like he could never get off. But apparently he has 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.359 a thing for black men hardcore. One time it was 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:47.800 six black men in a hotel room. I hate him, Jessica, 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:49.920 I think I hate him. She said she would often 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.360 be so drunk she couldn't stand. Again, I think we've 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.040 got a pretty fair claim that Paul Man affords a 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.080 rapist on a legal level. But yes, yeah, yeah, if 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:04.600 he's drug people to have oh god, well, what a nightmare. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:06.800 He should be castrated. He should be sounds like he 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.800 can't get it up anyway. It would be an easy cut. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:14.880 Have you're seen hard candy? Oh? A young Ellen Page 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:19.080 cuts off Patrick Wilson's dick. WHOA, She's sorry spoiler alert, 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.080 she's fourteen. The big centerpiece of the movie is she 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:25.080 like bates, a guy who's like trying to get little 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:26.919 girls to come over to his house, goes to his 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.720 house and cuts his dick off. That sounds like a 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.919 fun movie. It's a great movie, and I wanted to 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.080 happen to Paul Manifort. You know what, I would support 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:38.000 him being let out of president if Ellen Page had 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:41.600 to cut off his penis has it's just on Ella, 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.200 So it's going to fly hellic after to the island. 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:51.280 She o you needed, miss Page. Okay, So part of 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:52.960 me feels a little bit voyeuristic and even kind of 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.040 grows appearing through these text messages. But I think Paul 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.720 Manafort lived his life too publicly and involved himself too 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.840 deeply in the lives and deaths and freedom of tens 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.920 of millions of people to deserve any sort of privacy. 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.199 Here the outrageous and vile way he treated his family's 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.200 relevant because he's a man who sought to and did 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.720 impact the world. And on that note, Paul's daughters had 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:11.960 some interesting things to say about their father's actions in 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:14.920 Ukraine and the prior episodes we covered how Paul's advice 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.359 to former Ukrainian President Yanukovich was to basically exacerbate the 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:20.920 divide between East and West in order to consolidate power. 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:24.040 Maniford also urged the would be dictated to crackdown violently 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.760 on the Midan protesters. His actions were a major influence 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.000 in the murder of more than a hundred protesters, often 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.680 by government snipers. Now at one point in February two fourteen, 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:34.800 when these protests were going on, and when in fact 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.720 the government was murdering people with snipers at Paul Manafort's 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.520 best one of Andrew's friends texted her to ask if 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:42.919 her dad was mentally and emotionally okay over all this. 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.720 So I'm guessing that like Andrew's friends saw vague TV 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.680 news about unrest in Ukraine and was like, oh, boy, 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:51.239 I know that Andrew's dad spends a lot of time 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:55.000 over there. I'd better check in on her, Andrew replied, yes, 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.320 what are you even talking about? Her friend explained all 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.240 the protests in Ukraine. Andrea said, what about them? And 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.720