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Speaker 1: Hello everybody. I'm Robert Evanson. This is once again Behind

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Speaker 1: the Bastards, the show where we tell you everything you

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Speaker 1: don't know about the very worst people in all of history.

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Speaker 1: And this week today I should say, we have a

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Speaker 1: special bonus episode with our special bonus guest, Jamie Loftus bonus.

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Speaker 1: That's better than normal. It's good. If I was just like,

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Speaker 1: this is just our boring as run of the mill guests,

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Speaker 1: this is a surprise. This is like on Tuesday we

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Speaker 1: gave our audience like a sandwich, and today ice cream Sunday. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, not a bad surprise, not like

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Speaker 1: a flash mob or anything. No, no, no, like one

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Speaker 1: of the ice cream Sundays they order on Star Trek

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Speaker 1: that are gigantic and larger than any human being whatever

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Speaker 1: actually eat, because oh yeah, people are always ordering ice

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Speaker 1: cream Sundays on Star Trek. Should watch that program. It's

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Speaker 1: got a lot of ice cream really, like pornographically large

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Speaker 1: ice cream sun more ice cream based media. So, Jamie,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing today? I'm good. Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: me back, Thanks for coming back. Now, regular listeners will

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Speaker 1: not that Jamie was with us on our very first

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Speaker 1: episode where we talked about Saddam Hussein's romantic novels which

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Speaker 1: we still have, which we still have, just need to

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Speaker 1: get it translated. Yeah, we've got a new romantic novel

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Speaker 1: from Saddam. Oh okay, that is his third novel, but

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Speaker 1: the one that hasn't been translated that we're prolific. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're going to crack the code and do some stage readings.

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Speaker 1: We have to translate it from Japanese, the only language

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Speaker 1: it's been published and since he was hung But any

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Speaker 1: listeners feel like translating an entire book, like a hundred

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Speaker 1: they're pretty good. We're here, it's pretty good. It's supposed

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Speaker 1: to be Saddam's Game of Thrones. Yeah, toward it forthcoming.

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Speaker 1: But today we are talking about Paul Manafort. But before

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Speaker 1: we do that, I should introduce what you do, Jamie.

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Speaker 1: You have a podcast, the Bectel Cast. I do on

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Speaker 1: this on this very hate slits What's Up network? That

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Speaker 1: that is what we call our network. It's located on

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Speaker 1: the New York Stock Exchange is just sluts. But need

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Speaker 1: to I know and they're like, oh wow, slut stock

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Speaker 1: is up and they're not wrong. Uh yeah Bechtel cast

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Speaker 1: comedian writer. That's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Well today, Jamie,

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Speaker 1: you know who we're talking about because you just listened

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Speaker 1: to the first two parts we've done on Paul Manafort.

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Speaker 1: Really listened, big fans. In fact, that's very sweet. I

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Speaker 1: heard you do an ad about belts. I'm actually wearing

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Speaker 1: the belt that we advertise right now. Wow. I just

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Speaker 1: That's a nice belt. You ordered a lot of belts.

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of belts. That's too many belts

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Speaker 1: from the belt And I'm like, paumana for I don't

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Speaker 1: know how much things cost. Well, we'll be talking about

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Speaker 1: Paul Manafort's taste in clothing and uh and what he

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Speaker 1: spends on clothing, and we'll also be talking about some

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Speaker 1: some really painfully personal text messages between his daughters. Did

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Speaker 1: you search the data? Oh yeah, yeah, We're going to

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Speaker 1: everybody's id. So when we last left our dear friend

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Speaker 1: Paul Manaford his trial for massive financial fraud and failing

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Speaker 1: In the weeks since that episode, Paul Manafort has been

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Speaker 1: That's fun. Kind of angry at him for having a

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Speaker 1: this last name because for generations back in the old Country,

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Speaker 1: his family just mulled wine, put like spices and hot wine.

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Speaker 1: I always wonder, I'm like, what did my family and

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Speaker 1: what Manaford took it to an eleven. He's like, if

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Speaker 1: But yeah, that's true. Yea. So Paul Manafort is apparently

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Speaker 1: have to be released, Let me out of prison. Police.

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Speaker 1: The prosecution does still have the option to waive a

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Speaker 1: So right now, the ten things that he wasn't convicted

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Speaker 1: and I don't judge her. And the only thing that

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Speaker 1: really upsets me is how all this made her feel

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00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: and how he made her feel that way. But between

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Speaker 1: you and me, I fucking hate him. He gets off

427
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 1: on controlling her. He orders food for her, he dresses her,

428
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: he gives her to do lists. She is his puppet,

429
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: no wonder, she is a shell. So it's an interesting

430
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: she she is capable of understanding her how shitty her

431
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: dad is when he hurts her mom, But when he's

432
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: ordering a crackdown in a foreign country that leads to

433
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: hundreds of deaths and eventually thousands, it's like he's fine.

434
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: Most wealthy people can see pass the tip of their

435
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 1: own nuts. He would think that, like there would have

436
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: been some like wake up moment. I don't know when

437
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 1: she realized how bad her dad was, Like, oh, maybe

438
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: the things he's been doing around the world are terrible

439
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: and should let's take a look. Let's take a look

440
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: and try to expose how awful a man my dad

441
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: is once he starts leading a presidential campaign. Right, So,

442
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: here's Andrea. He rented her at Hampton's house a mile

443
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: from us and would see her every week from Monday

444
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 1: Wednesday and tell my mom he was working. And then

445
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: the dumb bitch posted picks of our homes all over Instagram.

446
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: He's way too smart to have been this dumb about it.

447
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: He either wanted to be caught or his next level arrogant,

448
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: or doesn't understand how the internet. It's just a dumb

449
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: old man. Yeah, it's like if you look at him,

450
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: he's born. I feel like there does reach a point

451
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: with a lot of like politicians and world leaders where

452
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: it's like, you can be a genius, but if you

453
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: don't know how computer work, you're fucked. Yes, someone's like,

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Speaker 1: can I post this on Instagram? And he's like, maybe

455
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: he thinks that's flicker or something else where it's like

456
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: a private photo. Yeah he doesn't know, Yeah, google it. Yeah, yeah. Computer.

457
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: Because she's she's significantly younger than him, younger than so

458
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 1: she understands. Listen, some people die. Flexing on the grams.

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00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: It's a it's an epidemic, flexing on the GRAM, flexing

460
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: on the Robert, are you not flexing on the ground.

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00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: I have never used the grand I know, I think Sophie.

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00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: Sophie runs the GRAM. You guys are flexing on the graund.

463
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that would mean. Get that dopamine.

464
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're talking about dealing drugs. I am,

465
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. This is now, I'm admitting it

466
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 1: on a podcast classic. You heard it here first, folks,

467
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: if you want to buy drugs. M So it gets grosser.

468
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: According to Jess's quote, I mean he has taken her

469
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: on his playlist of places, as in, like the restaurant

470
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Speaker 1: he celebrates my mom's birthday every year with her, the

471
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: place they went on their honeymoon, to all the restaurants

472
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: they go to when they go to Paris for decades.

473
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: So again, Paul mana four gross piece of shit. Yeah,

474
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: and there's a piece of his aunt. Oh yeah. So,

475
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: while Jess was parsing out the full extent of her

476
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: dad's awfulness, Andrea realized that quote. He was at a

477
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: beach resort off the coast of Ukraine with her the

478
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: weekend of my fucking engagement party. No, that's so many levels,

479
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: it's just Ukraine. On top of that, He's just so

480
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: consistently as bad a human being as he can possibly be,

481
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: going to let people down at every turn. It almost

482
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: makes Donald Trump's lack of awareness that he has a

483
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: younger daughter like he's a better parent to Tiffany than

484
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Speaker 1: Paul Manaforts been either of his daughters. A lack of

485
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: parenting is better than God. I still I used to

486
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: believe that Tiffany was gonna save us. Why would you want?

487
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: I wanted her because I because of the single and

488
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: what she had a song. I had no idea Tiffany song.

489
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 1: I wanted Tiffany Trump. She wouldn't save us for us,

490
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: but I think she would have enough daddy rage to

491
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: save us by accident. That was my home, Okay, but

492
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,199
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. Well. Maybe Tiffany Trump, if you're

493
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: a fan of the show, I don't know, what are

494
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: you doing? What you do? What could she do there?

495
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: I mean, she isn't taught to try. I'd be willing

496
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,239
Speaker 1: to guess that the average reporter in d C has

497
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 1: talked to her dad more than she has, probably, But

498
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,479
Speaker 1: then what are in her texts? Well yexts um So

499
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: Paul man affords a gross slam bucket of human beings.

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00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: So let's get back to the court case. If you

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00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: just sort of skimmed the news headlines about it, you

502
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 1: were probably aware of the fact that Mr manniboart you

503
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: some of his ill gotten dictator money in order to

504
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: buy a fifteen thousand dollar Ostrich skin jacket. Have you

505
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: looked at a picture of this jacket? No? Yeah, and

506
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: it'll be on our website behind the bastards dot com.

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00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: Look at this piece of shit. It's not even a

508
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: nice looking jacket. No, it's just like, why does it

509
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: have to be Ostrich skin? If it just looks like

510
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: any jacket. It looks like any black fox leather jacket.

511
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: You could get that top shot. And also it looks

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00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: like you can tell Paul Manafort wearing it when you

513
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: see Paul Manafort pictures. He wears it because he wants

514
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: to look like a greaser. Yeah, he thinks. He thinks

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00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: he's the funds. That's why he bought this fifteen thousand

516
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: dollar Ostrich jacket. Embarrassing, and I think when people were

517
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: making fun of it online, they were expecting with some

518
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: sort of like ridiculous Ostrich plume jacket. It looks like

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00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: a black jacket that you would buy for two hundred dollars.

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00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: Something only Paul Manifert would spend that much money on

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00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: a jacket that's boring and sucks. That's the only thing

522
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: he buys is expensive, boring, shitty stuff, not even fun,

523
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: not even fun to look at, So God bless him.

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00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: The New York Post tracked down the Manhattan taylor who

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00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,239
Speaker 1: sold Paul Manafort his stupid, ugly Ostrich jacket, and it

526
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: turns out this guy had sold Paul Manafort most of

527
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: his other stupid, ugly and unbearably expensive rich person clothing.

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00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: In the interview with the taylor, a guy named Maximilian

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00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: Katsman who sounds like a rich guy. Okay, he sounds

530
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: I can hear his mustache. First off, if your name

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00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: is Maximilian in and you don't introduce yourself as Max,

532
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: you're a tailor for rich people. That's just the way

533
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: it goes. Uh. Some Max worked for Alan couldtur I

534
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: guess that's how it spelled. A luxury menswear shop in

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00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: New York City, where the elite meat to spend more

536
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: than the GDP of some countries on suits that all

537
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: look the same. Catsman said of the ostrich jacket purchase,

538
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: this was during a fitting. It's simply caught his eyes.

539
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: So it's like an impulse by so Pellman. Word just

540
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: sees this jacket and it's like, God, should I throw

541
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: this jacket the price of a nice midsize sedan on

542
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: the pile. Christ, Yeah too, jackets and pay off my

543
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: student loans. Paul fucking Paul. So Catsman's dad owns a

544
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: lan couture, and he comes across as a rich fashion

545
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: industry douchewaffle who's probably completely baffled by the idea that

546
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: anyone would find it horrifying to spend fifteen thousand dollars

547
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: of dictator blood money on a jacket he called Manafort

548
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: style the quote professional politician. Look nothing too bold, nothing

549
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: to artsy, nothing that could have fended someone in a

550
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: very formal setting. So I'm gonna guess any individual suit,

551
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: Mr Manafort wear's probably cost more money than the combined

552
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: net worth of you and I. Here's a picture of

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00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: him in a suit. Tell me that doesn't look like

554
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: a Brooks Brothers hundred and fifty dollars suits. It's just

555
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: a fucking blue suit, pab it doesn't even look good.

556
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: This is this like every rich guy in politics. I

557
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: don't okay, I mean, do you ever come up against this?

558
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: Do you ever get frustrated when uh bastard won't go

559
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,719
Speaker 1: all the way? Yeah? That's why I like Elron Hubbard

560
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: because like, you're a crazy, rich, evil monster, but you

561
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: bought your own navy and made it search for gold

562
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: like you wal you walked the Psycho walk. I don't like. Yeah,

563
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: that this weird Richmond. It's like I'm wearing what you're wearing,

564
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: but mine is and more people died for it. Like

565
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: buying it's like buying a private jet, which is like, no,

566
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: that's just a way to waste more money if you're rich,

567
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: not like that Google guy who's buying a blimp that's

568
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: a house that he can fly around the world. That's

569
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: evil and bad, yes, but at least he's not boring,

570
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: but he had exactly there's creativity there. At least he's

571
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: got a blimp. At least he's got a fucking blimp.

572
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: At least when he's inevitably taken down, someone gets someone

573
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: gets a blimp. It's like Eric Prince, horrible guy. But

574
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: at least he's like trying to buy a navy in

575
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: his own He's not like, don't do the boring ship

576
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: that every rich asshole does and spend all of your

577
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: money on stupid thing horse and clothes. Yeah, a horse,

578
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 1: a horse, grow up. That's some Romney bullshit. They're like,

579
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: by a blimp, God meant rowney the world's most boring

580
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: rich man. Okay, so we know that Paul Mitt spent

581
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: more than nine thousand dollars at alon CoA tour between

582
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: two thous and ten and two thous and fourteen while

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00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: he was working for Yunukovic. Catsman said of the Ostrich jacket,

584
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: this is the epitome of you know, opulence. This is

585
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: as over the top as we could get. That's the

586
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: nicest way I could put it. That's a sales pitch,

587
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: sales pitch. Um. I'm gonna read one last quote from

588
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: from this guy. We sell over the moon exotic things

589
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, Catsman said, noting that a Vicuna

590
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: wolf suit made from the underbelly of Peruvian camels runs

591
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: thirty I'm surprised to see that this has become a thing. Now,

592
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: when you're spending the income of an average American family

593
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: on a suit that doesn't look any different from a

594
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: normal suit, you might get people wanting to guillotine you.

595
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: That's kind of how it works. Like they're coming for you.

596
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: First seems like they're going to eat you. And and

597
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: also whenever like people like that casually express surprise of like, yeah,

598
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: no idea, why people are into it, You're like, then stop,

599
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: then stop selling that kind of ship. Then stop. If

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00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: you want to be a kind of person who wears

601
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: a boring suit, go buy a three boring suit from

602
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: Brooks Brothers or something, and then by a blimp, and

603
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: then buy a fucking blimp by a blimp. So at least,

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00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: at least if we're going to live in an oligarchy

605
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: where the rich crush everyone who doesn't have as much

606
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: money of them as them, at least there will be

607
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: blimps in this guy, Let's bring back the Zeppelin, make

608
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: Zeppelin's great again, Make Zeppelin great again. And then because

609
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: then one poor person per Zepplin can just spark exactly

610
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: done with Richard, then we can just Hendenburg all the Zeppelin.

611
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: If we can convince the oligarchy that Zeppelin's are cool,

612
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: and then we Hindenburg the oligarchy. There we go, there

613
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: we go. Hashtag Hindenburg the Oligarchy. So Paul Manafort will

614
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: not be keeping his ostrich skin jacket. I know that's

615
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: a heartbreaker. He looks so good that there's no way

616
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: he will not be keeping most of the ill gotten

617
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: gains he earned in decades of helping the world's worst

618
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: people torture, murder, and suppress millions upon millions of human

619
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: beings and total, his Plea deal involves him giving up

620
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: some forty five million dollars worth of assets, enough to

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00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: pay for the entire Mueller investigation to date more than

622
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: two times over. Yeah, No, Mueller investigations very cash flow positive.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I was I would say, I'm surprised it's

624
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,239
Speaker 1: been that cheap. It's cost like eighty million, But then

625
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: you get forty five million from one guy in the

626
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: black You're black catch somewhere, rich guy's breaking loss. M

627
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: maybe that's most of what law enforcement should be. Okay,

628
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: So according to the BBC quote, he's accepted responsibility, said

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00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: Manafort defense lawyer Kevin Downing, after Thursday's court appearance. He

630
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that his family was able to

631
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: remain safe and live a good life. So it seems

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00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: like what man of What was trying to do was

633
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Speaker 1: making this plea deal so his family could keep some

634
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Speaker 1: of their money so that his kids and wife don't

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Speaker 1: die poor. I'm guessing it's more because he hopes he'll

636
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Speaker 1: get out of prison in time and take it and

637
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Speaker 1: take them take it from I don't think Paul Manafort

638
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: gives a funk about another human being, except for maybe

639
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: his Instagram mistress. Yeah, what a weird Achilles heel to have.

640
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: Everybody's got one, that's true, and they always have violent

641
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: Instagram presence yea, yeah, yeah, Well like King Leopold and

642
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: that teenage prostitute that he loved. Yeah, she would. She

643
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: had a great, compelling online presence, the best Instagram in

644
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: nineteen o truly by far. I'd like to conclude by

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Speaker 1: talking about the fact that Rick Gates, Paul Maniffort's aid

646
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: and wingman for decades, completely rolled on him as soon

647
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: as the FBI got involved, and roughly one hour of

648
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: testimony on the fifth day of the Manifort trial, Gates

649
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: admitted to faking expense reports to steal hundreds of thousands

650
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: of dollars from his boss, partly in order to fund

651
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Speaker 1: a love nest in London for him and his mistress.

652
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: Gates also admitted to helping Paul Manafort had millions of

653
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: dollars in offshore bank accounts. Manafort's former accountant also testified

654
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: against him and exchanged for immunity for her crimes and

655
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: helping Paul hide tens of millions of dollars, and they've

656
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Speaker 1: gotten gains. Just About the only person who hasn't completely

657
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: written Paul Manafort off as a human being is Donald Trump. Yeah,

658
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: he's a he's a loyal guy. He famously labeled his

659
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: former campaign manager a brave man. I'm not really sure

660
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Speaker 1: what he was referring to here in terms of bravery,

661
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Speaker 1: mainly the fact that he had directly implicated Donald Trump

662
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: at any crime. That's what I call courage. Yeah, it's

663
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: a brave enough not to do. Yeah. The one thing

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Speaker 1: that he could do in his whole life that would

665
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: be helpful when I think of bravery, Number one is

666
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: those young boys storming that beach at Ewigima, and and

667
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: and number two is Paul Manafort. Not rolling on the

668
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: only person who could exam. Yeah, I just there's nothing

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Speaker 1: braver than when Paul Manafort doesn't snitch, you know, And

670
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: normally I'm anti snitch, but in this case, this is

671
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: a clear one must snitch snitch on financial crimes. Yeah,

672
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 1: snitched carefully. So I do want to take this point

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Speaker 1: now that we're closing to the end of our special

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Speaker 1: little episode, I want to put together a little list

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00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: that I should have added to the first two party

676
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: we did on the matter, which is my best attempt

677
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: to kind of create Paul Manafort kill count. So we're

678
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: gonna get into that now. So, the Ferdinand Marcos regime,

679
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: who Manifort backed and received tens of millions of dollars from,

680
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: killed about three thousand, two hundred and fifty seven people.

681
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: The Engolan Civil War, which Paul Manafort lincolned by as

682
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: much as a decade by securing rebel leader Jonas of

683
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: MBI arms from the US government, killed more than five

684
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: thousand people in twenty seven years. The Maidan Revolution cost

685
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty people their lives. Manafort's own daughter's claim,

686
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: based on the things he told them that he advised

687
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: Dyukovitch to use deadly force to split up the protests.

688
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: More than ten thousand people have died in the ongoing

689
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: Ukrainian Civil War. Manafort also represented Mobutu says Seco, the

690
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: dictator of the Congo. Well. He plundered the nation of

691
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: virtually all its wealth. It's hard to pen an exact

692
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: death toll on this one, but I think it's worth

693
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Speaker 1: noting that Paul Manafort was part of the long proud

694
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Speaker 1: Western tradition of sucking over the people of the Congo

695
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: for a little bit of cash. Now we're not done

696
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: with the dictators. Paul manaforts help. Yeah. So, Paul also

697
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: worked with Sanni Abacha, dictator president of Nigeria from nine nine. Again,

698
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: it's hard to pen an exact death toll on this one,

699
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: but Sanny had at least dozens of dissidents executed and

700
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: many more tortured. He also stole five billion dollars from

701
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: the country, some of which wound up in Paul manafort

702
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: slimy pockets. It's probably worth noting that the oil company

703
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: Shell has also been accused of being implicated in some

704
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: of the killings. Um, I know, wait, Shell Shell the

705
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: logo I know, it makes me think of the ocean.

706
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 1: I think a beautiful oil filled beaches. There's a big

707
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: sign over Boston that the Shell sign. I don't know

708
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: why I felt such loyalty to a gas company. I mean,

709
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, it really hurts. It really hurts. I gotta

710
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: go and look at that sign and be like, I

711
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: don't take any joy in you sign. You expect the

712
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: ship from Chevron, Yeah, I mean, because they've got text

713
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: in their logo grow that's that's horrifying. But a shell

714
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: shell shell, Okay. I don't like. We don't always have

715
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: great detail on the extent of Manafort's work with the

716
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: individual monsters that he represented because he was committing international

717
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: crimes and tried to hide his tracks, but he has

718
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: also been high tied to work with the former dictator

719
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: Bakiev and Paul. Manafort has also been tied to work

720
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: with c Ed Bar, the former dictator of Somalia. The

721
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: UN claims that Bar's regime had quote one of the

722
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: worst human rights records in Africa. I found a fun

723
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Speaker 1: Guardian article written about Rita Levinson, who worked for Paul

724
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: on the Bar case. So she wrote of her old

725
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: boss quote arrogant narcissistic, egotistical, brilliant, all of that. I

726
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: can handle him, Paul, But it is Paul's mercenary attitude

727
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: that puts us at odds. So basically, she told a

728
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: story about when Bar's regime was collapsing in Somalia. This

729
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: is like the last regime before Somali becomes a failed

730
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: state essentially, so while it's falling apart, Paul Manafort sent

731
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: her in a colleague over to Somali to try to

732
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: get a million dollars out of the Bar regime as

733
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: it was collapsing, just to twist the knife, just to

734
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: try to get a little bit more money out of them.

735
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: He was basically claiming like, I can get you some

736
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: last minute aid and help if you if you throw

737
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: some money our way. So it didn't work out, and

738
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: they got very sick and almost died because the country

739
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: was collapsing into a failed state. And she kind of

740
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: got pissed at this because she realized afterwards that like

741
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: he knew we might die, but it was like, well,

742
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: if two people die, that's not that big a deal,

743
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: and if we win, we get an extra million bucks.

744
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: Like that was Paul Manifforts calculation. She was really pissed

745
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: about this um and she said, and she was twenty

746
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: five years old at the time, so like she was

747
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: in a questionable industry, but also she was twenty five

748
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: years old. They're like, who is who isn't doing that?

749
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: When they're I was definitely in Somalia when I was

750
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 1: twenty five. Yeah, different purposes, but but we were all there.

751
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: We were all shooting down us helicopters, and we were

752
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: all risking our lives for millionaires Somalia to some of us.

753
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: This is a quote from Rita writing afterwards about the

754
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: time Paul Manaford almost got her in a colleague murdered

755
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: in Somalia. I realized now that to men like Manafort,

756
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: the world really is one huge game of strtigo, and

757
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: he plays to win. The consequences are secondary. He sent

758
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: John and me on this wild goose chase, this utterly

759
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: pointless mission, one that could have killed us both simply

760
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: because he could. Which is I think, why Paul does

761
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: everything that he's ever done. Yeah, and uh, experiencing the

762
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: first consequence ever, A consequence at age sixty nine, A

763
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: consequence at the age okay, yeah, well for him, though

764
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: he's got a cast. He does, and his foot he

765
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: can't wear a shoe. He can't. He's gonna get rolled around.

766
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: He has got Instagram and his daughter's text Nice screwed man,

767
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: Now we screwed. Paul Manafort is the one that we

768
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: should feel sorry for. I think that he's really the

769
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: victim and all of this. He's the great victim and

770
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: Western civilization. Do we know what his daughters think about

771
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: having their text league? Do they come? I think they've

772
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: gone to ground a little bit. But there is a

773
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: searchable database online now of all of the Manafort daughter texts.

774
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: Can't wait to get some Netflix recommendations from there. I

775
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: just started searching for individual words, and you find some

776
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: fun stuff, but most of it was like, yeah, you

777
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: search for fart or something and you just you get

778
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: a lot of really fun conversations, but none of which

779
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: was super relevant. Well a bonus to the bonus. Yeah,

780
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: the Manafort girls talk farto persons show man. If we

781
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: ever get looked at Madison Square Garden, that'll be the alright,

782
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: Jamie president of Loft the stand to stand, Yes, Yes,

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00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: you gotta plug I got a little pluggy. You can

784
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: listen to the Bectel Cast every Thursday, and yeah, yeah,

785
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: you used to be able to follow me on social media.

786
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 1: Now you kind of can't. Twitter is the real bastard here,

787
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: Twitter is Jack Dorsey. When's that episode Jesus Christ? Find

788
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: me on Instagram flexing on the gram at Jamie Christ

789
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: Superstar and uh, if it's so disposes, you maybe yell

790
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: at Twitter about banning Jamie Loftus when they don't ban

791
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: white nationalists. You threaten to murder people, let them know

792
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: what you were doing. It was pretty bad. I mean

793
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: I did well. First I made silly videos about figure skating.

794
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: That was bad. That was very bad. Next I posted

795
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 1: a death threat made to me and got me banned.

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00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: It's the same reporting, it is, basically doing it. And

797
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: then you threatened to murder the fictitious Samboni brothers. I

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00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: did say I was going to find the Zamboni brothers

799
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: who killed them. But the Zamboni Brothers are cartoons. That's

800
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: not They're my cartoons. They're literally my cartoons. And I

801
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: but you know I did, and I'm a danger to society.

802
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: I threatened them. Just because you create a fictional character

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00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you can fake threatened to fake murder them.

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00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: You're right, that's Twitter rule. I'm I'm fake. Sorry, I

805
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: am real Robert Evans and this has been Behind the Bastards.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on social media at Bastards pod

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Speaker 1: Sophie's gonna Sophie's gonna interact with you there, but she's

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Speaker 1: as I am waiting for this show to get big

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Speaker 1: enough that I can have an ugly Ostrich jacket that

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Speaker 1: Isn't that the goal of this show to make you

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Speaker 1: so wealthy that you yourself become a bastard. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: when it's canceled. Yeah. And then I will get a blimp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then you get a blimp, and then we burn

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