1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Minky listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Back in I was investigating a legendary aircraft carrier, the 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: U s S. York Town, with the show Ghost Hunters. 5 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: This was not the first ship I had investigated, and 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: would very much not be my last. But I had 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: an encounter on board that vessel that is indicative of 8 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: just how wildly haunted these ships can be. During our 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: investigation of the York Town, Adam Bury and I were 10 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: standing on the flight deck of the carrier when off 11 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: in the distance, we saw a man walking very purposefully 12 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: across the deck. He wasn't coming toward us, rather, he 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: was walking toward the other end of the ship. We 14 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: were told we were alone on board save for one 15 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: security guard who would be in his office should we 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: need him. We also had a radio directly to this man, 17 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: so we meet at ly walked him to see if 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: he had left his post. He had not, so who 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: were we looking at? Had someone managed to make it 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: on board? We called out to this man as he walked. 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: He did not stop. He did not hesitate or slow down. 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: Most people when they catch sight of a camera crew, 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: they have a response like a deer in the headlights, 24 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 1: they freeze. Even so, most people who hear other people 25 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: yelling for their attention at the very least slow down 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: or look their way. This man didn't done of those things. 27 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: He just kept walking like he knew what he was 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 1: doing and where he was going, until he disappeared behind 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: the edge of the Aircraft Carriers Island, which is the 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: command center for flight deck operations. Adam and I, puzzled, 31 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: had begun running towards this man. Our camera operator and 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: sound guy in tow just seconds after the man rounded 33 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: that corner. We were there as well. We were upset 34 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: someone had contaminated our investigation. We take what we do 35 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: very seriously, and we were very determined to know who 36 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: this was and how they got on board. Except when 37 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: we went around that corner we found an empty space. 38 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: There was one door, but it was padlocks shut with 39 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: a lock that looked like it hadn't been touched in years, 40 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: judging by the amount of rust on it. The only 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: place that man could have gone was overboard, and we 42 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: most definitely would have heard a splash. I was not surprised, 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: as someone who has investigated over a dozen ships, some 44 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: multiple times. I found them well stocked with ghosts and spirits, 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: many still doing the jobs they so faithfully and dutifully 46 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: performed in life. So join me as we take a 47 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: trip to another of these haunted ships. She's lovingly called 48 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: the Sea Witch. I'm Amy Brunei, and welcome to Haunted Road. 49 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: The U S. S. Salem actually had post war beginnings 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: plans for heavy cruisers to take on global navies pre 51 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: day World War Two, of course, but when the war 52 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: came to a close in early September nineteen forty five, 53 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: America's latest and greatest answer to naval warfare was in 54 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: its infancy. The United States military needed a fleet, and 55 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: one that hadn't seen the dogs of war and been 56 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: chewed to pieces in the process. The US was solidifying 57 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: its position in the Pacific and trying to outpace the 58 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: Russians in naval supremacy. Construction on the us AS Salem 59 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: started on July four, ninety five, in Quincy, Massachusetts. The 60 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: Salem launched on March twenty five, nineteen forty seven. There 61 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: were two iterations of the Salem before this heavy cruiser. 62 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: The first Salem was named for the city in Massachusetts. 63 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: The second Salem was named in honor of the first ship, 64 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: and the third Salem was again named for the city 65 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: in Massachusetts. She was the last of her kind and 66 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: today is the only remaining heavy cruiser in the world, 67 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: which really puts into perspective how special she is and 68 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: how lucky New England is to have her. Now some 69 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: logistical history of the Salem, because she has seen some 70 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: things in her time. The Salem was commissioned at the 71 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: Boston Navy Yard on May fourteenth, nineteen forty nine. The 72 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: ship stopped in her namesake town on July four ninety nine, 73 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: before undergoing three months of rigorous testing at Guantanamo Bay. 74 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: After that, she again returned to Boston to undergo repairs. 75 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: Her crew nicknamed her the Sea Witch, a name that 76 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: has very much remained after spending three months aboard her 77 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: docked at Salem. In May of nineteen fifty, Salem became 78 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: the first flagship for the U. S sixth Fleet, headquartered 79 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: in Naples, Italy. During this the first of seven deployments 80 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: to the Mediterranean as fleet flagship, Salem punctuated her training 81 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: at sea with ports and Malta, Italy, France Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, 82 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: and Algeria. Salem also reported to Guantanamo every year to 83 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: complete training. She also participated in other trainings performed with 84 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: other countries, though she very notably never fired her mighty 85 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: guns and anger. The Salem's very presence served as a 86 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: stimulus for peace during the troubled times that became known 87 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 1: as the Cold War. According to history books, she served 88 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: as a lady of diplomacy rather than as a means 89 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: of exerting brute force. She resumed her flagship duties in 90 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty six during the Suez Crisis. That battle over 91 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: the Suez Canal was also an attempt to remove Egypt's 92 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: president Gamal abdel Nasser from power. Israel first invaded Egypt, 93 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: followed by the UK and France. They eventually extricated themselves, 94 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: though after the US Soviet Union and the U N 95 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: applied political pressure. This event concluded the end of Britain's 96 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: superpower status. But what about In pop culture? In nineteen 97 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: fifty six, the Salem was cast as the German pocket 98 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: battleship Admiral Graf Spy in the Battle of the River Plate. 99 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: There were significant differences between the graf Spy and the Salem, 100 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: not the least of which was that one was a 101 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: German ship during World War Two. The differences were explained 102 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: by the historical fact that the ship's carpenters often camouflaged 103 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: graph spe to resemble foreign vessels. Salem had another cinematic 104 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: moment when she made a cameo in the action packed 105 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: thriller from Disney called The Finest Hour, starring Casey Affleck 106 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: and Chris pine In. In nineteen fifty eight, Salem made 107 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: the trek to Monaco for the celebration of the birth 108 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: of Princess Grace Kelly's and Prince Rainier the third son, 109 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: Albert the second. All very interesting, but why is she 110 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: so haunted? And what kind of activity do people experience 111 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: on board? While the Salem never fired a shot in anger, 112 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: she saw her fair share of death. Most famously, she 113 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: was one of the first ships to arrive to provide 114 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: aid during the Great Cafalonia earthquake in Greece in August 115 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty three. To put into perspective what happened 116 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: on the islands, let me describe the conditions the Salem 117 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: arrived too. Now, the nineteen fifty three Ionian Earthquake, also 118 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: known as the Great Cafalonia Earthquake, struck the southern Ionian 119 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: Islands on August twelfth, nineteen fifty three. In mid August, 120 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: there were over one hundred thirteen recorded earthquakes in the 121 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: region between Cafalonia and Zecinthos, and the most destructive was 122 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: at August twelfth earthquake. The event measured six point eight 123 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: on the moment magnitude scale, and it raised the whole 124 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: island of Cavalonia by twenty four inches and caused widespread 125 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: damage throughout the islands of Cafalonia and Zecanthos. When disaster 126 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: struck on that Wednesday, August twelve, a m Argostolian was 127 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: a town of about eighty five hundred people, swollen by 128 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: vacationers from the Greek mainland. It was the biggest community 129 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: in the three Ionian Sea islands and it took the 130 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: brunt of the quake. After the large quake, nothing was 131 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: left of the city but piles of bricks and splintered wood, 132 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: a few cracked shells of houses, and shocked survivors crowding 133 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: the Argostolian Bay sides. British medical officers with the destroyer 134 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: Darling were the first to arrive with outside aid. They 135 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: set up first aid stations on the beach and treated survivors. 136 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: The Salem arrived Thursday morning, the first unit of the 137 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: sixth Fleet to reach the scene. The Greek government sent 138 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: to amphibious vessels and a contingent of soldiers. According to 139 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: newspaper articles of the time, the doctors and orderlies of 140 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: these ships treated perhaps a thousand casualties, but they never 141 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 1: could confirm. Many said there were just too many to count. 142 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: The most seriously hurt were evacuated. The rest remained on 143 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: the beaches bandaged, and Dull was shocked, asking only to 144 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: leave sailors aboard. The Salem reported finding the local hospital 145 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: leveled and a local insane asylum destroyed as well. Desperate 146 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: nurses had changed patients of the asylum to trees. One 147 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: medic from the Salem called it real snake pit stuff. 148 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: They have got one nurse and one old attendant watching 149 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: fifty inmates. There was a jail too, with about two 150 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: fifty prisoners. When the jail collapsed, the prisoners ran loose. 151 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: Greek soldiers and police rounded them up and put them 152 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: in an improvised stockade surrounded by barbed wire. Leading the 153 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: American rescue work was Lieutenant RB. Jacobs of the Salem, 154 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: the ship's control officer from Revere, Massachusetts. He sent search 155 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: teams into the hills and digging through town looking for 156 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: trapped people. They found scores of living victims trapped beneath debris, 157 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: some had been there for two days. They also found 158 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: people hiding and afraid to return to Argostolian. Local legends 159 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: said one day Argostolian would fall into the sea, and 160 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: as far as they were concerned, it was happening. There 161 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: are many rumors as to how many people were treated 162 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: on the actual ship itself. Most articles of the time 163 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: point to make shift hospitals and operating rooms being assembled 164 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: on the shore, but it also stands to reason that 165 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: some of the more seriously injured would have been brought 166 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 1: aboard for treatment than perhaps evacuated to other local hospitals. 167 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: Many rumors point to the ship having been used as 168 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: a morgue for the between four hundred forty and eight 169 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: hundred people killed, but this also remains unsubstantiated and, considering 170 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: the heavy presence of other rescue ships in the area, 171 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: highly unlikely. Regardless The tragedy of the Greek earthquakes and 172 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: subsequent rescue mission surely left an indelible scar on the 173 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 1: Salem and her crew. Today, there are reports of Greek 174 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: speaking ghosts aboard the Salem, including the apparition of an 175 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: angry Grecian girl encountered in the mess hall. Folks claim 176 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: she only speaks Greek and half her face is missing. 177 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: There was also a ghost rumor to have been a 178 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: civilian volunteer during the earthquake who died by suicide after 179 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: coming upon the corpse of his mutilated wife, a good story, 180 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: but again completely unproven. The rescue mission in Greece was 181 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: not the only source of potential hauntings on board. There 182 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: was at least one incident where sailors from another ship 183 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: were brought aboard after an explosion. The Salem's medical facilities 184 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: were better suited to treating them, but three perished. People 185 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: have reported hearing footsteps when no one is around. Others 186 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: have heard disembodied voices and loud bangs. Chairs have also 187 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: reportedly been thrown. The printer at the museum, Peter Bloomberg, 188 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: reported a mysterious figure appearing before him in one of 189 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: the ship's hallways. The figure stared at him, then descended 190 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: the staircase. Peter was alone on the ship at the time. 191 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: Salem's head archivist, John Connor, heard his name called when 192 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: he was in a sleeping quarter. He also has heard 193 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: mysterious footsteps that he can't find the source for. He 194 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: says these happenings don't bother him, but that you get 195 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: the feelings someone is watching you, and you get chills 196 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: up your spine. There's the spirit of a man they 197 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: called John, who is apparently the spirit of a former 198 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: tour guide. Reportedly, people see him and talk to him, 199 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: especially in the area of the anchor windless room. There 200 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: the anger would be reeled in and out. There are 201 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: also rumors of babies crying, which doesn't seem to mesh Historically, 202 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: some investigators have said babies were born on the Salem 203 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: because in the hospital area there is a table with stirrups, 204 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: But as any woman will tell you, those stirrups aren't 205 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: always used just for childbirth. While women never served on 206 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: the Salem, it does stand to reason perhaps this table 207 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: and its stirrups were there for rescue efforts, though as 208 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: of now there is no documentation to verify any babies 209 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: were born on the ship. The U S S. Salem 210 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: was decommissioned in January of nineteen fifty nine. In there 211 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: was talk of reactivating her service as she was still 212 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: very capable, but the funding from Congress was not guaranteed, 213 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: so she was not resurrected. In October, the Salem came 214 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: full circle and made her way to her birthplace, Quincy, Massachusetts. 215 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: She's been a museum ship ever since. Up next, we 216 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: will talk to paranormal investigator and ship volunteer Don D. Christopharo. 217 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: He's a no nonsense veteran and historian with some great 218 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: ghost stories from the Salem. He's also a man who 219 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 1: I think the ship has a soft spot in her 220 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: heart for. Also, you'll hear about my experience on the Salem, 221 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: one that I've never experienced before and have never encountered since. 222 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: I am sitting here now with Don D. Christopharo, who 223 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: is a paranormal investigator who's very involved in the USS Salem. 224 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: We have worked with him in the past. If you 225 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 1: saw our episode of Kindred Spirits that we did um 226 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: the Ship, Don was our client there and it's very 227 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: all around solid dude who knows a lot about the 228 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: history of the ship and I think has a very 229 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: special relationship with the Salem. So thanks for joining us down. 230 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: Thanks for asking me, Amy, I appreciate it, of course. Now, 231 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: we filmed on the Salem during the pandemic. That was 232 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: one of our first cases that we kind of ventured out, 233 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: and I know you are close to tours at the time. 234 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: How have things changed at the Salem since then? Well, 235 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: I mean we've gotten much more back to normal in 236 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: terms of how we managed the tours. You know, we 237 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: tried last year to do it as normally I guess 238 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: is the only word I can use, as possible, you know, 239 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: but we split into smaller groups and kind of spread 240 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: people out a little bit more, which, as you know, 241 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: on the ship isn't really an easy thing to do. 242 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: But this season, you know, we we have bigger groups now, 243 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: and of course we're not wearing masks at least for 244 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: the time being, right, so things are much more the 245 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: way they used to be at the moment. I'm fortunate 246 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: and that I've actually been to the Salem quite a 247 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: few times times, and you know, I just I love 248 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: how involved everyone is with the ship and just kind 249 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: of keeping her in this state of availability to people 250 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: to come and check out. I know there's a lot 251 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: of paranormal investigations on board, but what else happens on 252 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: the Salem. The ship is open all weekend Friday, Saturday, 253 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: and Sunday during the summer, open to the public. And 254 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: it's not just the Salem. It'st the United States Naval 255 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: Shipbuilding Museum UM, the museum spaces below decks. Most of 256 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: the areas that were cruise berthing when the ship was 257 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: active have been converted into museum spaces. And Quincy has 258 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: a very, very long and rich shipbuilding tradition, and the 259 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: Salem is the great celebration of that. So she's open 260 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: quite a bit, and there there are other events that 261 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: take place, community type events on the ship as well. 262 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: You know, the volunteers, as you said, are are all 263 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: very very invested and working as hard as they can 264 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: to keep the ship up, and we worked very hard 265 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: to make show the ship is not going to go 266 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: anywhere to be frank, yeah, thankfully. Now do you think 267 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: that any of the hauntings on board have anything to 268 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: do with the various artifacts that you have brought in 269 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: for the museums, Well, it's kind of interesting that you 270 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: should say that, because just recently we've started to hear 271 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: some music that's much older than the ship itself, and 272 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: we're looking at some of the artifacts in the museum 273 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: that are related to the shipyard rather than the ship, 274 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: and trying to determine whether or not some of this 275 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: stuff has something to do with those objects instead of 276 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: the ship itself. Yeah, I mean, that's really interesting. It 277 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me because I remember just going through the collections, 278 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: they're just amazed at everything you guys have curated. A 279 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: lot of those artifacts have seen some, you know, really 280 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: interesting times in history. So who knows what you could 281 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: have brought on board in addition to the spirits you 282 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: already have lately. Oh, absolutely, no, you're absolutely right. I guess. 283 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: I guess crazy active is is the best question I 284 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: can use, you know. I mean, we have our quiet 285 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: nights like everybody else does, but they are a few 286 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: and far between, and to the point where we're kind 287 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: of spoiled when we go other places because of the 288 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: volume of activity on the ship. The shadow activity is 289 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: picking up, the noise activity is ridiculous. At this point, 290 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: the e vps are becoming much more clearer, and I think, 291 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: as you know, they have context a lot of them, 292 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: which is which is really awesome. Yeah, and I love that. 293 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: That's kind of my favorite kind of haunting, you know. 294 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: And to this day, the Salem is where I had 295 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: one of my strangest paranoral experiences. And I when I 296 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: try to explain it to people, I guess it doesn't 297 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: seem that intense, but for me it really was because 298 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: basically I was standing in the mess hall area and 299 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: I was looking kind of towards that little it's it's 300 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: next to the kitchen area that it's like it's kind 301 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: of a storage area I think for pots and pans 302 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: or what have you, and the two scullery the two 303 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: scullery areas. Yeah, and I'm staring at that, and I 304 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: see these kind of twinkling lights up in the corner, 305 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: and my brain is processing it as there's some sort 306 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: of window there and there is some sort of like 307 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: ship going by with a mast or like some sort 308 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: of lights going by, and I kind of just filed 309 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: it away as you know, something outside that I'm seeing 310 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: through a window. And then it dawned on me there's 311 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: no window there, and I'm just looking at these little 312 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: twinkling lights, and I'm thinking, what am I looking at 313 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: right now? And it went on for like a solid 314 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: twenty seconds, I feel like, and then they just kind 315 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: of stopped, and I just remember, like almost I thought 316 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: something medically, what was wrong with me? I was like, like, 317 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: what's happening? Am I having like a stroke or like? 318 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: And I started kind of having a little panic attack 319 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: and I was like no, no, And literally later it 320 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: was either later on that day or the next night, 321 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: you just happened to run into us in the library 322 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: and you were Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention, 323 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: sometimes people see these little twinkling fairy lights in this area, 324 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: which is exactly what I saw. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. 325 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: I was very thankful. And I don't think we've really 326 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: addressed that part of it on the show, because I 327 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: think we just saw you in passing. I don't know 328 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: that they were cameras rolling, but I remember just thinking, 329 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Okay, it wasn't in my head. I 330 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: don't need to go see a medical doctor, but yeah, 331 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: that was. I mean, I don't know what causes that. 332 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: What what do you think? I know other people have 333 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: seen that. What do you think causes something like that. Well, 334 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting. We were at the point now 335 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: where we've determined that there are a lot of spirits 336 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: on the ship we weren't aware of previously that maybe 337 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,199 Speaker 1: aren't from the ship itself, that are from the shipyard 338 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: and things like that, And I've kind of come to 339 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: the conclusion that there are many of them that aren't 340 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: quite strong enough to really manifest in a solid way, 341 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: that is to say, in an audio way or visually. 342 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: And I've come to believe that the lights are their manifestation, 343 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: something that's not quite strong enough to do something that's 344 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: going to jump out at us, but that are making 345 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 1: themselves known in a little bit less obvious way. Yeah, 346 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: I mean that makes perfect sense to me. I mean 347 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: I still to Like I said, it just still stands 348 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: as one of my strangest experiences because so many paranormal 349 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: experiences are kind of fleeting or quick, but this I 350 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: just stared at for so long without even realizing what 351 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 1: I was looking at. I wondered too, just because how 352 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: often do you all host paranormal investigations on board? Would 353 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: you say? Pretty much every weekend? Now, this past weekend 354 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: was both Friday and Saturday night. Ah, and I think 355 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: that other spirits might be coming in. You know, we've 356 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: seen that before with these locations where you're hosting investigations 357 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: on a regular basis and you have a bunch of 358 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: people sitting in the dark just intensely thinking that they 359 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: would like to see a ghost or make contact and 360 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: anything he wants to talk, or anyone who wants to 361 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: talk and come forward. And it makes you wonder, you 362 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: know how many of these kind of wayward spirits sense 363 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: that and that kind of attracts them to a place 364 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: like that. Oh, that's definitely a possibility, you know. I 365 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: mean people bring things with them as well, and we 366 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: think that's part of it. We've had psychics come aboard, 367 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: sensitives who as soon as they walk into the main wardroom, 368 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: which is where we kind of gather as groups, who 369 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: say that they're just coming at them from all directions 370 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: as soon as they come aboard. So you know, as 371 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: I said, they're not all pronounced, they don't all make 372 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: themselves known to us on a regular basis. But there's 373 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: no doubt in our minds now that we can't even 374 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: estimate the number of entities there are aboard the ship. Okay, 375 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: so I know that obviously they say famously that Salem 376 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: never fired a shot in anger, right, So we never 377 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: really saw any action per se, but definitely saw its 378 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: share of tragedy, like there was the earthquake rescue mission, 379 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: and I'm sure a number of deaths on board for 380 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: other reasons. Who do you think is haunting the ship? 381 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: Maybe that actually did spend time him on the ship. 382 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: What have you seen evidence wise of that? Well, the 383 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: most pronounced spirits, at least the ones that we've made 384 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: contact with, seemed to be from an accident that took 385 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: place about three years after the earthquake, when the Salem 386 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: had left Boston and was on the way back to 387 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: Greece or the Mediterranean, and she was sailing with the 388 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: destroyer named John R. Pierce, and the Pierce was doing 389 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: some kind of anti aircraft practice shooting at a toad target. 390 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: For some reason, they stopped the practice so stop the drill, 391 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: and then when they restarted again, what I'm told is 392 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: that they reloaded a gun that had already been loaded. 393 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: So when they fired at the gun, mount exploded and 394 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: one guy was killed immediately, but several other guys were 395 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: brought from the Pierce by helicopter over to the Salem 396 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: because she's much bigger and had much better facilities, and 397 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: several of those guys died aboard Salem. So I think 398 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: that in terms of people that spent a significant amount 399 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: of time on the ship, those are the guys that 400 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: are most pronounced at this point, I see, And what 401 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: kind of activity do you get stemming from them? Are 402 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: you ever getting any names or anything like that. We're 403 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: starting to get some names, you know, and that's one 404 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: of the difficult things because of so many of the 405 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: tools we use are prone to yes or no and 406 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: things of that nature. It's kind of hard to get 407 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: them to express themselves in other ways. But we have 408 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: a list of names that we try. One of the 409 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: problems we have is that the Cruelest, you know, the 410 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: Salem once she was active, had about sixteen d guys aboard, 411 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: and over a ten year period, you're talking guys that 412 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: spent multiple years, so you're talking ten thousand guys anyway, 413 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: and our solid crue list is about six names. We 414 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: try as hard as we can. We ask a lot 415 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: of names. We have sensitives that come up with names, 416 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: and we use those names as much as we can, 417 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: but there are very few guys that we actually have 418 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: names for. Yeah, that's hard. I mean we ran into 419 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: that as well, just when we were investigating. You know, 420 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm always very heavy on the history. I love and 421 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: really want to identify some of these spirits, especially the 422 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: ones who just come off as more aggressive or insistent. 423 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: You know, I always am concerned that there's some reason 424 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: why they're trying to kind of break through so much. 425 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: And I remember going through some of the manifests and 426 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: just having a lot of trouble because you don't know, like, 427 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: are you dealing with someone who actually passed away here 428 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: or are you dealing with someone who just felt like 429 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: a really strong emotional attachment and is choosing to revisit 430 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: for some reason. And so it's just so hard to 431 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: narrow it down. And like you said, lots of tools 432 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: that use yes or no answers, which isn't doesn't help 433 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: a lot. And of course it's easier now than it was, 434 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: you know, years ago, with newspaper databases and things of 435 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: that nature. You struggle to find the name John our Pierce, 436 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: for example, associated with us as Salem, and then you 437 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: kind of work backwards from there, and we were able 438 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: to find some names by getting too obituaries of guys 439 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: that were killed aboard the ship or that that were 440 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: injured aboard the Pierce and died aboard the Salem. So 441 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: that that's how you do it. It's painstaking and takes 442 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: a lot of work, but that's just such a huge 443 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: pat of what we do, especially at a location like 444 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: the Salem. You know, the history is just so important 445 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: in terms of the paranormal and not the paranormal. Yeah, 446 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: so we worked very very hard at it, and we 447 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: and we're trying. But it's not easy. No, it's not. 448 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: Have you been able to dispel any popular rumors about 449 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: the history of the ship or is there anything that 450 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: you think people have talked about that's just completely untrue 451 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: at this point? Well, I'm not going to say that 452 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: we've found our completely untrue, but there are some rumors 453 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: about the ship that don't make a whole lot of 454 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: sense when you really think about it. You know, I 455 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: think when you guys were there, we talked a little 456 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: bit about the so called morgue, and you know they 457 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: talk about body stacked on bodies in the ships makeshift more. 458 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: But you know, when you think about it, the only 459 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: time there were that many deaths at one time aboard 460 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: the ship was during the Greek earthquake. And when you 461 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: think about it, you wonder, why would they if the 462 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: ship is in Greece and the people are Greek, why 463 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: would they have all those bodies on the ship. They 464 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: would take them off the ship, they would take them home. 465 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: That's something that a lot of people like to talk about, 466 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: you know. And that room in particular is something that 467 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people like to talk about. It's called 468 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: the butter room, and you'll hear people say, you know, 469 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: it's kind of wild because nobody really knows why they 470 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: call it the butter room, And personally, I think it 471 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: probably has something to do with the metal plaque above 472 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: the door that says butter room. You know, you got 473 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: to use that research brain of yours, you know. You know, 474 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say we've thoroughly dispelled things, but there 475 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of talk about the ship, which to 476 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: some extent we like. I mean, those are the kinds 477 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: of things that bring people to the ship. And if 478 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: you burst their balloon a little bit when you get here, 479 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: that's okay, because the ship usually makes up for it 480 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: in in what it shows them over the course of 481 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: the night. Oh absolutely. I mean I think that probably 482 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 1: the actual history is even more fascinating than the history 483 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: people might have heard through that kind of historical game 484 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: of telephone that people love to play. But for some reason, 485 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: makeshift morgues are a big deal. Like I've investigated so 486 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: many places that have supposedly become a makeshift morgue for 487 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: some sort of disaster, and I don't think I've ever 488 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: been able to substantiate one of them. And I think 489 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 1: I revisited it again when we were researching for this 490 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: episode of the podcast, and I think we found it 491 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: on one like ghost Tour Company's blog, but there's zero, 492 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: you know, historical information that we could find to verify it. 493 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: So who knows is And I don't think that's a coincidence. Yeah, yeah, 494 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: you know. I also I dug up a lot of 495 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: information about other haunts that people have seen on board. 496 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: They're including someone reporting a dog or they called it 497 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: a hellhound or something in the mess hall. Have you 498 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: heard of that one before? I can tell you that 499 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: the first paranormal experience I had aboard the ship was 500 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: hearing a dog wow, And someone else said they got 501 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: an e v P of a pig too, which is 502 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: just not what you would expect at all. Why do 503 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: you think that would happen? I've heard that. I'm not 504 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 1: entirely sure. It sounds like a pick to me, but 505 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: maybe it's the dog. Anything's possible, you know. It's interesting though, 506 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: when you think, while it's a naval ship, that situation 507 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: in Greece in nineteen three must have been really really chaotic, 508 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: and the possibilities abound when you think about what may 509 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: or may not have come or have been brought aboard 510 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: the ship. So while I personally think it's d unlikely 511 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: that anyone has ever heard or recorded a pig, I'm 512 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: not gonna say it's entirely impossible because, as I said, 513 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: people in that kind of distress, who the heck knows 514 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: what they felt like they wanted to bring with them 515 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: aboard the ship or what they were concerned about. And 516 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: I bet you in a lot of cases, the people 517 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: taking care of them said, fine, if that's going to 518 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: make these people feel a little bit better, that's it, 519 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: okay with us. Yeah, Now, what would you say is 520 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 1: like the most prevalent type of activity people encounter on board, well, 521 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: at this point in time, I'm gonna say it's shadow activity. 522 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: I think, you know, we're at the point now where 523 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago a group came aboard, and 524 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: before we even started investigating, when I was giving them 525 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: a tour of the ship with the lights on just 526 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: to kind of show them where we were going to 527 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: be going later on in the night and things of 528 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: that nature, we had a shadow run across the hallway 529 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: in front of us as we were making our way 530 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: up the ship. So these are the kinds of things 531 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: that are happening on a really gular basis. Now I'm 532 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: going to say shadow activity right now. That's interesting. I mean, 533 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: I've I've investigated a few ships in my time, and 534 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: shadows seem to be very prevalent. And I don't know 535 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: if it's because it's that kind of like residual activity 536 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: of people kind of making their rounds or just still 537 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: kind of tending to their duties or what, but it's 538 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: just hard to think, you know, when we go into 539 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: these places, it's our groups of you know, however many people, 540 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: but then you think about how many people were actually 541 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: on board at any one time and what that must 542 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: have looked like and how they just knew their way 543 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 1: around so well that they would bolt from place to place. 544 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: So it kind of makes sense that you would see 545 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: these shadows running up and down these ladder steps and 546 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: down the hallways. It's so strange, absolutely, And that's one 547 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: of the great things about the Salem is that it's 548 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: such a mixed bag. There are sailors who died aboard 549 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: the ship, as we all know, there are civilians people 550 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 1: that were Greek that were killed during the earthquake who 551 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: are still aboard. And then, as you well know, we 552 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: have my friend back half, who I don't think died 553 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: aboard the ship, but I think this is a guy 554 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: who this is where he chose to come and vend eternity. 555 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: So I think pretty much, you know, whatever you think, 556 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: whatever you look at in terms of these entities, I 557 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: think they're representative board the ship. Yeah, now, that gentleman. 558 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: For people who aren't familiar, he's in kind of the 559 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: mess hall area. And I know when we investigated he 560 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: swore at us repeatedly in our recorders, but he seems 561 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 1: to have kind of an affinity towards you. How are 562 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: things going with that, Well, it's kind of interesting, you're right, 563 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: he and I I think because we're kind of both 564 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: grumpy old sailors. I think we kind of developed a 565 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: relationship over the years. But it's kind of interesting. We 566 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: have some new things happening on the ship. We have 567 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: an entity that has kind of become dominant, and the 568 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: chief this seems to be kind of laying low at 569 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: the moment. We've had sensitives tell us that he is 570 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: going to just kind of sit back and let us 571 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: figure out what's going on and and then he'll come back. 572 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: He's not bothered by the assentity, but he just doesn't 573 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: want anything to do with it. So he seems to 574 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: be kind of laying low at the moment. We don't 575 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: hear from him very much. Well, I mean, he's not shy, 576 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: so I feel like when he's ready, he'll probably very 577 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: much make himself. No, No, he most certainly is not shy. 578 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: That e VP that you recorded of him telling me 579 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: exactly what he thought I should do was about as 580 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: clear as a recording I've ever heard. I think, Yeah, 581 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he dropped an F bomb if I 582 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: remember correctly, generally didn't. Yeah, that was very very clear. 583 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: So so you're welcome for that. That's what we bring 584 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: out in the ghosts when we come around. So you 585 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: said that you said you would had never been so 586 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: happy to hear somebody tell you to fops as that 587 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: too funny. Um. Now, is there any activity aboard that 588 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: you would consider to be potentially dangerous? I don't think so. 589 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: People certainly get touched regularly aboard, but never anything of 590 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: any consequence. You know, women occasionally have somebody blow in 591 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: the area. I will kind of let my you know, 592 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm working at home now, I don't have to go 593 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: to the office, so I have nobody to impress, and 594 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: I'll kind of let my hair go. And when I 595 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: go back AFT. I think the chief lets hisself be 596 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: known by pulling my hair occasionally, if by telling you 597 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: need a haircut, telling me I need a haircut. But 598 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: like I said, this new entity is an enigma to 599 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: us and we're trying to figure him out. We don't 600 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: think that he's entirely friendly. But I certainly wouldn't characterize 601 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: anything aboard the ship is dangerous. Yeah, I mean, I 602 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: think people wonder that. To me. The only thing I 603 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: ever worry about in spaces like that is that it's 604 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,719 Speaker 1: not very easily traversed. You know, there's a lot of 605 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: places you can trip, are a a lot of places you 606 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: could fall, and so you know, I always warn people like, 607 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 1: if you do get startled, you know, make sure you 608 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: know where they always keep about your wits, know where 609 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: you are, stay planted, because you know you could jump 610 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: and accidentally fall down a set of stairs or something. 611 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: I think that's the most dangerous. I think anything could be. Yeah, no, 612 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, And that's kind of part of my 613 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: spiel when I keep people before we get going. And 614 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's a big ship, so you can't expect 615 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: a one time visitor to know their way around. But 616 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: I do try to tell people to try to be 617 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: as aware as possible of where they are in relation 618 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: to hatches, in relation to ladders. You know, you certainly 619 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: don't want somebody to turn and dart the wrong direction 620 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: real quick, because if they don't know where they are 621 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: or where they're going, there can be very nasty consequences there. 622 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: There are a couple of places on the ship that 623 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: when I give my tour, I'll stop in a certain 624 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: place because it's concerning that you walk through a hatch 625 00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: and there's an open hatch, right on the floor next 626 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: to you. So there are definitely areas like that that 627 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: can be dangerous, and we do the best we can 628 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: to warm people about that and wanted them to keep 629 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: their wits about them when they walk around the ship. Yeah, 630 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's amaze. We're really fortunate. We were there, 631 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: you know, for four days or so, and we have 632 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: our small crew and us so just by ten of 633 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 1: us total. And there were many times where I would 634 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: go check on a camera or something, or go try 635 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: to look for some information in one of the museum 636 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: areas or something, and then just be completely turned around. 637 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: And I think I remember correctly. There might be yellow 638 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: stripes or some sort of stripe or something on the floor. 639 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: I would cling to that thing. I would find that 640 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: and know that I would be able to find my 641 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: way back. But you know, if we didn't do a 642 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: headcount at the end of the night, I very well 643 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: could still be there on the Salem months later lost 644 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,399 Speaker 1: and that wouldn't be an entirely bad thing. No, I mean, 645 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: my daughter would probably miss me, but it's fine. Yeah, 646 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: there is a there's a broad yellow line that goes 647 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 1: down the passageways on the main deck. When I give tours. 648 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: I tell people just think back to when you were 649 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: in prison and follow the yellow line, and as long 650 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: as you don't screy, you should be okay. But you're right. 651 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,239 Speaker 1: The museum areas in particular, it's very very easy to 652 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: get turned around because they're all connected. And that's the 653 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: one part of the ship where you could go down 654 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: a ladder and if you come up a different ladder, 655 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: you could be on the other side of the ship. 656 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm pretty sure I did that a 657 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: couple of times, but I made it so ultimately with 658 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: the ghosts on board the Salem and just you know, 659 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: what you do there and everything. What are your hopes 660 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,600 Speaker 1: for the Salem over time? You know, that's a good question, 661 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: and it's something we kind of wrestle with a lot 662 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,479 Speaker 1: of the time. We have people come aboard who talked 663 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,759 Speaker 1: to us about helping people cross over, and you know, 664 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: if you're in a position to help these entities, then 665 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,720 Speaker 1: certainly that's what you want to do. But we wrestle 666 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: with it because it's what we do, so we do 667 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: kind of go back and forth. But we have been 668 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: able to help some people go over, and there are 669 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: certainly enough entities aboard the ship that are looking for 670 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: loved ones and things of that nature that ultimately we 671 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: would love to help get to where they ultimately want 672 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: to be. And that's really all you can you know. 673 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything else you can really hope for. 674 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 1: I mean, we certainly hope to make the Salem well 675 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: known enough that enough people visit her that she can 676 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: stay in Quincy. I think that's where she belongs, and 677 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: it's a constant battle to keep her there. But yeah, 678 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: other than that, I think, you know, helping the amphonies 679 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,440 Speaker 1: as best we can, I think that's really all we 680 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: can hope for. Yeah, I mean, I think that's something 681 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: that I've found is I've investigated for so long, you know, 682 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: I definitely kind of thought of that idea of crossing 683 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: things over long ago, and I think over time my 684 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: theory has evolved to this idea, which I talked about 685 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: in my book a lot. But this idea that I 686 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: can't cross someone over to place that I don't even 687 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: know for sure exists, and so I've been striving more 688 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: to figure out why they're still here, and that usually 689 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: produces more reaction or activity, Like I do feel like 690 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: they're here, not because they don't know where they need 691 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: to go, but because there's something that they left behind, 692 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, that kind of classic unfinished business. And you know, 693 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: I could see that really being the case with the Salem. 694 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, there were a lot of lives that ended 695 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: very suddenly, either on board or because of the earthquake, 696 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: or people who may have left something behind emotionally even 697 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: if they didn't die on board. Oh sure. You know. 698 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: One of the entities that I speak too, primarily with 699 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: dowsing rods, I found is a young man that we 700 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: call Nko, a Greek man, and and he seems to 701 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: enjoy talking to us. You know, he always comes to 702 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: us and we enjoy interacting with him. But I always 703 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: feel terrible after we talked to him because he tells 704 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: us that he's looking for his family. And you think, man, 705 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: if there was anything you could do to help this individual, 706 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 1: whether it was send him to wire his family is 707 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: or bring his family forward to him, whatever it would be, 708 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,920 Speaker 1: you can't help. But wishing you you could do, Yeah, 709 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: that's hard. I mean we have done in the past 710 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: where we found kind of wayward spirits like that, where 711 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,879 Speaker 1: we have tracked down their family line or their ancestors 712 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 1: and descendants even and kind of produced that, like brought 713 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: them actual birth certificates and death certificates and census records 714 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 1: and just showed them like, this is what happened to 715 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: your family, this is where they ended up, this is 716 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 1: you know, and tell them the story and that sometimes help. 717 00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,440 Speaker 1: But until you can identify Nico for sure, that might 718 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: be really hard to do, especially with a mass casualty 719 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,920 Speaker 1: like that. Sure, yeah, you're absolutely right. I don't think 720 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: there are any records in terms of in terms of 721 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: the Greeks that suation. In terms of the names, no, 722 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: I looked. I looked. You can't find out who was 723 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: brought on board and who wasn't things like that. So 724 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: it's tough. It is really tough. Well, how now with 725 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 1: the Salem, how what can people do? They can take tours, 726 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: they can go on investigations. How do they find out 727 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: all that information? Well, the Salem's website is uss dash 728 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,240 Speaker 1: Salem dot org and they can get plenty of information there. 729 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,240 Speaker 1: My organization, the Great of Boston Paranormal Associates, we're all 730 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: over the place www dot v g, b p A 731 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: dot com. We're on Facebook as well, and we have 732 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: a page now called the USS Salem Paranormal Experience on Facebook, 733 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 1: that's where we advertise our events and things of that nature. 734 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 1: There are plenty of opportunities to get aboard the ship, 735 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: but I always try to urge people if they're to 736 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: local anyway, it's a great take. You know, on a 737 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: Saturday or Sunday afternoon, she's kind of beat up on 738 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: the outs side, but once you get aboard, she is 739 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 1: amazingly well preserved. It's a great thing, a great place 740 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: to go and get a good understanding of our shared history. Yeah, 741 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: I find it to be fascinating. I think that New 742 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 1: England is very lucky to have her. You know. I 743 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 1: brought my daughter when we were filming and she just 744 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: loved exploring and learning all about the history there. So 745 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: hats off to you and everyone associated with the Salem 746 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: for keeping her local and keeping her going in some way, 747 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: because you know, these kind of opportunities are becoming harder 748 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 1: and harder to come by for people to experience. I'll 749 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,839 Speaker 1: be sure I appreciate that. But as there are a 750 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: lot of people involved in not only I mean just 751 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: in doing what we do, I'm very very fortunate, you know. 752 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,879 Speaker 1: I tell people the ship is my obsession, and I 753 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 1: was fortunate to find a group of people who are 754 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: dumb enough to to buy into it. But the truth 755 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 1: is I'm the luckiest guy in the world in terms 756 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: of the team that we put to other and and 757 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: that's just the paranormal side. The ship itself has a very, 758 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 1: very dedicated group of volunteers and fought too many to 759 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: mention absolutely well. I really appreciate you taking the time. 760 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: I can't wait to get back, hopefully very soon. I 761 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: think this is going to be great for people to 762 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: get a greater understanding of all the work that goes 763 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: on behind the scenes and also what they can expect 764 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: to encounter if they climb on board the U S. S. Salem. 765 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: Thank you very much for having to appreciate it, and 766 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: we would love to have you back anytime. Yes, thank 767 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: you so much. The US S. Salem, like so many 768 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: of the haunted places we visit, holds a special place 769 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: in the hearts of the many volunteers and benefactors who 770 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 1: worked tirelessly to keep her afloat. When you visit the ship, 771 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: just about every volunteer you meet is a VET, and 772 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: while the Salem is no longer in service, you can 773 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: tell the sense of pride and nostalgia they feel as 774 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,520 Speaker 1: they show you around. It's also goes aside, just a 775 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: wonderful place to visit and take in some very important history. 776 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: So I urge you, next time you're in the New 777 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,359 Speaker 1: England area, pay a visit to the United States Naval 778 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: ship Building Museum and the U. S. S. Salem. If 779 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: you see don tell him I say hi. And if 780 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,720 Speaker 1: you get lost in her depths, don't forget. The yellow 781 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: line leads back to the top deck until next time. 782 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: I Maybe Bruney and this was Haunted Road. Haunted Road 783 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: is a production of I Heart Radio and Grimm and 784 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: Mild from Aaron Mankey. The podcast is written and hosted 785 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,560 Speaker 1: by Amy Bruney. Executive producers include Aaron Manky, Alex Williams, 786 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: and Matt Frederick. The show is produced by rema Ill 787 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: Kali and Trevor Young. Taylor Haggerdorn is the show's researcher. 788 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from I Heart Radio, visit the I 789 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,360 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.