1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: All Zone media. 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to it could happen here. This is 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 2: Sharene and today we are going to be talking about 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: the current quote unquote peace plan that was presented by 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: the US and what they say is their attempt to 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: end the genocide in Rasee. They call it a war, 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: and I call it what it is, which is a genocide. 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: Earlier this month, Joe Biden announced what he claimed was 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: an Israeli peace plan to bring about an eventual ceasefire 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: in Jsee. But according to journalists and anyone with eyes, 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 2: the new plan is almost indistinguishable from previous plans proposed 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: by Hamas. We're going to get into the details of 13 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 2: the US plan in a little bit, but first I 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: want to address the immense loss of Palestinian life that 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: has led up to this plan, because if the plan 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: is successful, it would usher in a ceasefire to a 17 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: genocide that has killed more than thirty seven thousand Palestinians, 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: which is a very low estimate, and the majority of 19 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: these deaths are women and children. Only have Palestinian children 20 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 2: been brutally slaughtered for months, but Rauzza now has the 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: largest population of child amputees in the world. In November, 22 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: Children and RAZDA hosted a press conference in English to 23 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: beg the world for life. It's June now, and all 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 2: we've seen since then is massacre after massacre. And while 25 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: I think drawing attention to the children and the women 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: who have been slaughtered is immensely necessary and important, I 27 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: also want to emphasize that Palestinian men are not expendable, 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: and not mentioning the immense loss that we have suffered 29 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,279 Speaker 2: across the board with men included, implies to the world 30 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: that Arab men are not worth mourning, not worth saving 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: nor protecting, that they are all terrorists or terrorists to 32 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 2: be who are simply killed as casualties in the quote 33 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: fog of war. I also think that the mention of 34 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: children is specifically used as a way to at least 35 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: try to make the world empathize and fucking feel something 36 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: about the lives that have been stolen. Parents literally hold 37 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: up the limp and decapitated bodies of their babies in 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 2: its broadcasts worldwide. And yet the dehumanization of Arabs runs 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 2: so deep that such graphic displays of horror and death 40 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: are considered normal. No one bats an eye. It is 41 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: insane that two hundred and seventy four Palestinians were slaughtered 42 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: for four prisoners of war who could have been released 43 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: in a prisoner exchange exchanges and deals that Israel has 44 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: repeatedly rejected. We will get into this more in this episode. 45 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: And people are celebrating this shameful military operation which US 46 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: troops were a part of, and ignoring the Palestinians that 47 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: were killed and murdered in the process, further emphasizing that 48 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: Palestinian life is not as important as Israeli life by 49 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: a huge margin. In in case you didn't hear the 50 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: details about this operation that I'm talking about, US and 51 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: Israeli troops infiltrated a refugee camp in trucks disguised as 52 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 2: humanitarian aid to trojan horse their way into further massacreing 53 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 2: and maiming people who were already being forcibly starved. Are 54 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: you hearing this one more time? They infiltrated a refugee 55 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: camp and trucks disguised as humanitarian aid. Israeli special forces 56 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: were also disguised as Palestinian refugees looking for a place 57 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 2: to live. When they entered the buildings where they thought 58 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 2: the hostages were being held. Remember in January when there 59 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: was also video evidence of the IOF pretending to be 60 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: medical staff in a hospital and then shooting and killing 61 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: unarmed doctors, nurses, and patients. Oh and then there was 62 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: the discovery of at least three mass graves at Elshiffa Hospital, 63 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: where bodies, including many wearing scrubs, were found zip tied 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: and buried in piles. Israel has been doing this for 65 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: months and years and decades, and they've been getting away 66 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: with it for months and years and decades. No one 67 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: is hiding how they feel anymore. They are out here 68 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 2: showing us with their actions. It's not ambiguous, it is 69 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: not confusing. They are making it very simple. They are 70 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: making it crystal clear. Palestinians do not matter, and Israel's 71 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: intention is to continue their ethnic cleansing of Palestine. What's 72 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: happening in Lza is not about the hostages, and it 73 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: has never been about the hostages. If that isn't clear 74 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 2: to you by now, you have not been paying attention. 75 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: A few things about the hostages. Hamas has repeatedly offered 76 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: since last year to release all hostages in exchange for 77 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: Israel releasing all Palestinian prisoners. As of November first. According 78 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: to Human Rights Watch, Israel held nearly seven thousand Palestinians 79 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 2: in its prisons, and many of those held captive by 80 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: Israel are not convicted of any crime. At least three 81 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 2: thousand and six hundred and sixty Palestinians being held in 82 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: Israel are under what is called administrative detention. An administrative 83 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: detainee is somewhat held in prison without charge nor trial 84 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: without charge, no crime committed. I want to take a 85 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: moment to bring up a report that came out recently 86 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,919 Speaker 2: that's not getting nearly enough attention. It's truly horrific, and 87 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: I don't know how people are just glossing over it. 88 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: But New York Times recently reported that Palestinians are being 89 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: tortured and abused in Israeli prisons. Two journalists from the 90 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: New York Times spent three months interviewing Israeli soldiers as 91 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: well as Palestinians who were detained at one particular prison. 92 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend I know how to pronounce it. 93 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: It's spelled sde space Tei m An said Teman. I'm 94 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: just going to go with that. But essentially, Israel is 95 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: carrying out a policy of systematic torture in this army base, 96 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 2: and this army base has been used as a detention 97 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: camp for Palestinians from the Gaza Strip. This was all 98 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 2: confirmed by a New York Times investigation. Reports of abuse 99 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: at this site had already emerged in both Israeli and 100 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 2: Arab media, and this was followed by outcries from local 101 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: and international rights groups about the horrific conditions there. Apparently, 102 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: it was mainly used as a quote, makeshift interrogation center, 103 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: but now it has become a major focus for the 104 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: accusations that the Israeli military has mistreated its detainees, including 105 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: people who were later determined to have no ties to 106 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: Hamas or any other armed groups. The investigation revealed that 107 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: at least twelve hundred Palestinian civilians were detained at this 108 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: site in quote demeaning conditions, without the ability to plead 109 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: their cases to adjudge for up to seventy five days 110 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: and additionally denied access to lawyers for up to ninety days. 111 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: Eight former detainees, all of whom the military confirmed were 112 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: held at the site and spoke on the record, said 113 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: they had been punched, kicked, and beaten with batons rifle 114 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: butts and a handheld metal detector while they were in custody. 115 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: Others said that they had been forced to wear a 116 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 2: diaper while being interrogated, and that they had received electric 117 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: shocks during their interrogation. According to The New York Times, 118 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 2: most of these testimonies were corroborated by interviews conducted by 119 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: officials from the unr WA, the UN Agency for Palistine Refugees. 120 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: The agency interviewed hundreds of returning detainees who reported widespread 121 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: abuse at this site, as well as other Israeli detention facilities, 122 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: including the beatings and the use of an electric probe. 123 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: An Israeli soldier who served at this site also disclosed 124 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: to The New York Times that his fellow soldiers often 125 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: bragged about beating detainees, and he observed many instances of 126 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: such treatment. He was speaking on condition of anonymity to 127 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: avoid prosecution, but he said a detainee had been taking 128 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 2: for treatment at the site's makeshift field hospital with a 129 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: bone that had been broken during his detention, while another 130 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: person was briefly taken out of sight and then returned 131 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 2: with bleeding around his rib cage. I strongly urge you 132 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: to read the New York Times piece in full. It 133 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: details the most horrific things I've read in recent memory. 134 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: I would be remiss to not mention at least a 135 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: few of them, just you understand the severity. But this 136 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: report essentially proves that Palestinians are experiencing sexual violence and 137 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: have experienced sexual violence in Israeli prisons. This is one example. 138 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: Mister l Hemlowie, a senior nurse, said a female officer 139 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: had ordered two soldiers to lift him up and press 140 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: his rectum against a metal stick that was fixed to 141 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: the ground. He said the stick penetrated his rectum for 142 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: roughly five seconds, causing it to bleed and leaving him 143 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 2: in unbearable pain. A leaked draft of the UNRWA report 144 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: detailed at interview that gave a similar account. It cited 145 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: a forty one year old detainee who said that interrogators 146 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: made him sit on something like a hot metal stick 147 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: that felt like fire, and he said that another detainee 148 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: died after they put the electric stick up his anus. 149 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: Doctor l Hemloui also recalled being forced to sit in 150 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 2: a chair wired with electricity. He said he was shocked 151 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: so often that after initially urinating uncontrollably. He then stopped 152 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 2: urinating for several days. He said that he too had 153 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: been forced to wear nothing but a diaper to stop 154 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: him from soiling the floor. Ibrahim Shaheen, thirty eight, a 155 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: truck driver, He said he was shocked roughly half a 156 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: dozen times while sitting in a chair. Officers had accused 157 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: him of concealing information about the location of dead hostages, 158 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: which ended up having no connection to him at all. 159 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 2: Another man, mister Beckett, said that he was also forces 160 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 2: to in a chair wired with electricity, sending a current 161 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: pulsing through his body that made him pass out. Mister 162 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: Beckett also said, along with other detainees that corroborated this, 163 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: he only received roughly three meager snacks on most days, 164 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 2: mostly bred with small quantities of cheese or jam or tuna. 165 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: The military said the food provisions had been approved by 166 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: an authorized nutritionist in in order to maintain their health, 167 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: but according to several of these detainees, that's not nearly enough, 168 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: and they lost more than forty pounds during their detention. Again, 169 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 2: I urge you to read the report in full. It 170 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: needs more attention than it is getting, but it is 171 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: horrific and this is proof of the vile mistreatment of Palestinians. 172 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: And it's from the New York Times. If you need 173 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: a source that you quote unquote trust more than an 174 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: El Jazeera or something which makes no sense. But for 175 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: those who do there it is. Now let's go back 176 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 2: to the topic at hand. We were talking about the 177 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 2: hostages and how Hamas had offered many times in the 178 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: past to release all the hostages in exchange for releasing 179 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: Palestinian prisoners, and despite Hamasa's offers, Israel has never agreed 180 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: to any deal which involved the release of all Israeli hostages. 181 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: On October ninth, two days after October seventh, Hamas offered 182 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: to release all the civilian hostages in exchange for the 183 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 2: IOF not entering the Gaza Strip, but Israel rejected that offer, 184 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: and many hostages have died since then, which could have 185 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: been avoided if Israel cared. A few stats. One hundred 186 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: and five Israeli hostages were freed via a temporary ceasefire 187 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: in November of last year. Four other hostages were released 188 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: by Hamas. Three hostages were killed by IOWF quote friendly 189 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: fire because the IOF considered them a threat as they 190 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: were waving white flags. During four Israeli quote rescue missions, 191 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: one hostage was killed one soldier was saved in what 192 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: Israel called Operation Golden Hand. On February twelfth of this year, 193 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: two hostages were saved and at least ninety four Palestinians 194 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 2: were killed. And then on June eighth, what is now 195 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 2: being called Operation are Non, four Israeli hostages were rescued 196 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: and at least two hundred and seventy four Palestinians were killed. 197 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: In a statement released after the attack, Hamas said, in 198 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 2: exchange for them the four Israeli hostages, your own army 199 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: killed three of your own captives in the same attack, 200 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: one of them holding a US citizenship. And it must 201 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: be mentioned that the Israeli attacks on Leis have also 202 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: killed an unknown number of hostages in hamas captivity, as 203 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: well as the at least thirty seven thousand Palestinians killed 204 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: since October seventh. Relentlessly bombing a tiny strip of land 205 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: or Israel knows its hostages are located doesn't really indicate 206 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 2: that Israel gives a shit about the lives of the hostages. 207 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 2: The hostages are pawns being used in a disgusting political game. 208 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: And I have seen several unhinged and deranged comments about 209 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 2: this latest operation, which again killed two undred seventy four 210 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: Palestinians in including children, in the process of saving four hostages. 211 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 2: The comments range in severity and psychopathy, but a lot 212 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 2: of them are basically saying how else were they supposed 213 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: to get the hostages back? And Israel must rescue its 214 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: people by any means necessary, and that this is what 215 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 2: you get when you mess with Israel. But after reading 216 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: the previous numbers, it is an absolute fact that the 217 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: only mass release of hostages has come through ceasefire and 218 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: prisoner exchanges. More hostages have been killed by the Israeli 219 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 2: army than rescued by them. A ceasefire deal means freed 220 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 2: hostages without mass death. And so if Israel really cared 221 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: about the lives of these hostages, why on earth wouldn't 222 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: they agree to a deal that can guarantee their safety. 223 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: I want to take a quick tangent only to mention 224 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 2: that the number of Palestinians killed in Raze is most 225 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: likely far, far greater than the reported number, because the 226 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 2: infrastructure that was used to document the death toll has 227 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 2: been decimated along with nearly everything else in Lesse. The 228 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,719 Speaker 2: number thirty seven thousand also does not include the thousands 229 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: and thousands of Palestinians buried underneath rubble who are unable 230 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: to be found nor retrieved. The Health Ministry's director of 231 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: International Cooperation in the West Bank, doctor Yassir Bozzia, says 232 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: he works closely with Ministry colleagues in Rose. When he 233 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: spoke with NPR in late January from his office in Ramalla, 234 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: he said and estimated ten thousand people were missing and 235 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 2: presumed dead under the rubble in razz But even that 236 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: number was low. It's like a snowball, he said. It's 237 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: only an estimation. The actual number is much much higher. 238 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 2: Bozzia and doctors Andrez say the death count published by 239 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 2: the Health Ministry also largely excludes people who have died 240 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: from a lack of adequate treatment, disease, and other impacts 241 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: from the war, like hunger. The death toll only includes 242 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: people killed by the occupation bombardment, he said. The Health 243 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 2: Ministry described its casualty figures as those resulting from Israeli aggression. Bozzias, 244 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 2: as a colleague in Graze told him that the only 245 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 2: way to really know how many people have died is 246 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: to count the number of people still alive compared with 247 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: the population of Raze before October seventh. He said that 248 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: because of the continued brutal genocide going on in Raze, 249 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: it is impossible to have the real number. It will 250 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: only be revealed after the violence has stopped. The death 251 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: toll also does not make clear how many militants are 252 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: among the dead. Israel says its forces have killed more 253 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: than ten thousand fighters in Razze, but Israel has also 254 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: not provided any sort of evidence or detailed information to 255 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: back up its estimate. In every interview, every Israeli correspondent 256 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: or spokesperson has given They always given number for the 257 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 2: estimated fighters or terrorists killed in Razze, but they're very 258 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: unsure about how many civilians have been killed. And now 259 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 2: to go back to the US peace plan that is 260 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 2: basically identical to previous peace plans proposed by and agree 261 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: to buy Hamas. What does this US plan propose? This 262 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 2: plan has three stages. The first stage proposes to involve 263 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 2: a six week ceasefire, during which the Israeli army will 264 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: withdraw from the populated areas of Razze, hostages including the 265 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: elderly and women, would be exchanged for hundreds of Palestinian prisoners. 266 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: Civilians would also return to all of Braze, with six 267 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: hundred trucks carrying humanitarian aid flooding the enclaved daily. Biden 268 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: said the second phase would see Hamas and Israel negotiate 269 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: terms for a permanent end to hostilities. Biden said the 270 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: ceasefire will still continue as long as negotiations continue. In 271 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: the third phase, a permanent ceasefire would follow, facilitating the 272 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: reconstruction of the Resids Strip, including sixty percent of clinics, schools, universities, 273 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 2: and religious buildings damaged or destroyed by Israeli forces. This 274 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: plan is nearly identical to a previous plan that Hamas 275 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 2: had already agreed to on May sixth, a deal which 276 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: Israel ended up rejecting. We will talk more about that 277 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: deal later on, but for now, let's focus on the 278 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 2: US's plagiarized version of this plan and who supports it. 279 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: But first, let's take an head break and we'll be 280 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: right back, Okay, And we are back so soon after 281 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: the announcement of the US deal, Hamas said that it 282 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 2: views the proposals in this deal positively. This week, US 283 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln tool arrived in the Middle 284 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 2: East on his latest trip to the region, which he 285 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: said will focus on Washington's Gaza truce proposal and the 286 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: future of the Palestinian territory. B Lincoln met Egyptian President 287 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 2: ELCSI and Cairo on Monday, repeating US calls for Hamas 288 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: to accept the truce deal. Speaking to reporters before leaving Egypt, 289 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: b Lincoln squarely blamed Haamas for prolonging the quote unquote war, 290 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 2: saying that Hamas is an outlier in the region for 291 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 2: not agreeing to the US deal. He told reporters, my 292 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 2: message to governments throughout the region, to people throughout the region, 293 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: if you want to cease fire, press Hamas to say yes. 294 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 2: Blincoln arrived in Israel later on that same day and 295 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: met with nan Yahu. He will further hold talks in 296 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 2: Cutthoud and Jordan this week. The State Department said Blincoln 297 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 2: reaffirmed the quote ironclad US commitment to Israel's security during 298 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: his meeting with Nannyahu. A curious note is that while 299 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: blincn portrayed the truce plan as Biden's proposal, when Biden 300 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: made the deal public. Initially, he said it was an 301 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: Israeli plan. This could be just a little slip because 302 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: Biden is very old, or it could be a slip 303 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 2: that just confirms what we've all known to be the 304 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: case all along, that the US and Israel are one 305 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 2: and the same, especially when it comes to their political 306 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 2: interests in military power. And while US officials have insisted 307 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: that Israel agreed to this proposal, various Israeli officials, including 308 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: the n YAHOO, have vowed to continue fighting until the 309 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: elimination of Hamas. Just days before Biden announced his initiative, 310 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: a top Israeli officials said the military would fight in 311 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,479 Speaker 2: Jjsee until at least the end of the year. On 312 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: the other hand, Hamas has said that it will only 313 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: agree to a deal that would lead to a lasting 314 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 2: end to the war and the full withdrawal of Israeli 315 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 2: troops from Rasee. Hamas reiterated its position on Monday after 316 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: its political chief Ismael Hanie, met with officials from the 317 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a smaller armed group in Duha. Hamas 318 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 2: said in a statement. The two delegations discussed the indirect 319 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 2: negotiations and efforts to end the war, stressing that any 320 00:19:56,320 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 2: agreement must include a permanent ceasefire, comple leet withdrawal from 321 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip, reconstruction, ending the siege, and a serious 322 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 2: prisoner's exchange. Hamas previously called for a explicit commitment from 323 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: Israel to a lasting ceasefire, and despite the lack of 324 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 2: clarity in the Israeli position, Biden administration officials have repeatedly 325 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: said that Hamas is the only hurdle to ending the 326 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 2: war in Gaza. The US blaming Hamas for prolonging what 327 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 2: it calls a quote unquote war again not a war, 328 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: a genocide is ridiculous. Hamas has accepted previous peace deals. 329 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 2: It has offered previous peace deals. Israel has been the 330 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 2: one to reject them, and then the US comes along 331 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: and just repackages one of these previously agreed on deals 332 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: that Hamas had endorsed and has the audacity to then 333 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 2: blame Hamas for obstructing peace. Give me a break. Additionally, 334 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: the US truce plan does not outline plans for the 335 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 2: future of Gaza after the war, but the US government 336 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 2: has said that it would not accept Hama's rule in 337 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: the territory The Biden administration says it wants a quote 338 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 2: reformed Palestinian Authority aka the PA to eventually govern Gaza, 339 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: but the Israeli government has ruled out allowing the occupied 340 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: West Bank based PA to govern Huzze, with Natanyahu like 341 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: inning FATA, the dominant faction in the PA to Hamas. 342 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 2: Other support for the plan has come from some Israeli politicians, 343 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: as well as the families of the hostages and the 344 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: international community. Benny Gantz, a centrist member of Israel's three 345 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 2: man war Cabinet and Prime Minister Benjamin and Yahu's principal rival, 346 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: spoke positively of the proposal and asked his two colleagues 347 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 2: in the war cabinet, Nan Yahoo and Defense Minister Yov Galant, 348 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 2: to convene to discuss the quote next steps. Gance had 349 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 2: previously threatened to leave the cabinet by June eighth if 350 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 2: no plan for Gaza beyond the war had been agreed on, 351 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: and on Sunday, June ninthly announced his resignation. Gans's resignation 352 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: does not immediately pose a threat to Naanyahu, who still 353 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 2: controls a majority coalition in parliament, but it does mean 354 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 2: that the Israeli leader becomes more heavily reliant on his 355 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: far right allies. Ganz said that the Enyaho was making 356 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 2: quote total victory impossible and that the government needs to 357 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: put a return of the hostages seized on October seventh 358 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 2: by Hamas above political survival. Gans is a popular former 359 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 2: military chief, and he joined the Nyahu's government shortly after 360 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 2: the Hamas attack in a show of unity. His presence 361 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,959 Speaker 2: also boosted Israel's credibility with its international partners. Gans has 362 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: good working relations with US officials. Ganz canceled a planned 363 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 2: news conference the night of June eighth, after the for 364 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: Israeli hostages were rescued from Gaza earlier in the day, 365 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 2: which again was Israel's largest operations since October. Another reminder 366 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 2: that two hundred and seventy four palest Indians, including children, 367 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: were killed in the assault. Another Israeli politician who supported 368 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: the US peace plan was opposition leader Yard Lipid, who 369 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: also promised to support the plan, pledging support of his 370 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 2: party yesh Atid, which translates from Hebrew to there is 371 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: a future if those from ultranationalists and far right parties 372 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: withdraw support. United Nations Secretary General Antonia Gutierrez also endorsed 373 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: the plan, as have many of Israel's political allies, including 374 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: the UK and Germany. So who doesn't like the plan. 375 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: Much of the opposition to the peace Plan has come 376 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 2: from within the Israeli cabinet. N Yahoo said any initiative 377 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: that did not include a quote elimination of Hamas's capacity 378 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: to govern and make war was a non starter. In 379 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 2: his announcement on Friday May thirty first, Biden seemed to 380 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: indicate that he regarded Hamas's presence within Gaza to have 381 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 2: been so downgraded that a repeat of October seventh was impossible. 382 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: As expected, the ultranationalists and extreme right members of Na 383 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: Nyahu's right wing coalition, which includes it Tamar Bengavie and 384 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 2: Bezileel Simotric, threaten to withdraw from the government and cause 385 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 2: its collapse if the proposals were accepted. So as far 386 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: as Israel's politics are concerned, it seems like the outcome 387 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: may end up depending on what El Jazeira describes as 388 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: quote parliamentary arithmetic. The far right in ultranationalist parties hold 389 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: fourteen seats, while Gansa's block only has eight seats, meaning 390 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 2: the far right has far more influence on a prime 391 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: minister who wants to stay in power. As for Lapid, 392 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 2: his seventeen seats are offered as support only in what 393 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: pertains to the peace proposals. This leaves that in Yahoo 394 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: reliant on the far right block. As far as the 395 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: deal being accepted, that is still not clear. Despite what 396 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: the US says, the families of Israeli hostages are putting 397 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 2: pressure on the government to accept the deal, as are 398 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 2: some parts of Israel's political class, but pressures to reject 399 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: the deal are just as strong, and it will remain 400 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: to be seen whether Ntan Yahoo chooses his own survival 401 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: or the return of the hostages. But if one thing 402 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 2: is clear, it is that Netan Yahoo does not really 403 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 2: care about the hostages because the IOF under his command 404 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 2: continues to bombard areas where the hostages can be held. 405 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: And may I remind you that the IOWEF have already 406 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: killed Israeli hostages that they have mistakenly identified as threats. 407 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: Speaking of threats, I'm kidding. There is no ad break 408 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: and there is no threat. That's the end of part 409 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: one and if you want to listen to part two, 410 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 2: tune in tomorrow talking about the history of Hamas and 411 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: how we got here. 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