1 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: It was right before one am when state police got 2 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: the one call about a deadly shooting at the White 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: Supermarket outside Tongue Cannon. Three men confirmed dead, including the gunmen, 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: along with a woman. This was another sensul stack that 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: didn't have to happen. It's a tragedy. Year old Randy 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: Stare of Dallas Lazerne County used two shotguns to kill 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: three of his coworker. This is Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: Stare reported to work just before eleven o'clock Wednesday night 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: for a regular shift. Investigators think he spent the next 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: ninety minutes blocking the stores five exits before moving his 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: car in front of an emergency door and taking two 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: shotguns back into the building and opening fire. In a 13 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: journal entry dated Monday, Stare said he was ready to die, 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: claiming to be a girl trapped in a man's body. 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: Imagine the fear. I recall working late, late, late nights 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: at a sandwich shop to put myself to law school, 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: and I would be the only one they're laid into 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: the night, And at the time I didn't think a 19 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: whole lot about it. I remember sitting at a table 20 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: in the sandwich shop looking out into the Strip Center 21 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: parking lot. It would be about ten o'clock at night, 22 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: and it would be almost deserted and most of the 23 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: stores would be closed. But now I'd be studying away. 24 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: Right now, I'm talking about a supermarket employee who brings 25 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: two guns to work overnight blocks of stores entrance and 26 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: exits so nobody could flee and guns down three fellow 27 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: employees in a suburb of Scranton. Joining me right now 28 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: is Becky Hayes, the sister in law of one of 29 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: the victims. I mayan see, Grace. This is crime Stories. 30 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, Becky. I want to 31 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: talk about the go fund me account you have set 32 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: up for Briant's family. First, I want to go through 33 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: the facts of this case. What happened, well, Nancy, it was, 34 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, Brian was working his normal shift as he 35 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: always did. He was the manager over the Weist local supermarket, 36 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: and all the employees wanted to work normally ever, as 37 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: an every day that they would do. And about ninety 38 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: minutes into their shift, one of their co workers went 39 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: out on his break and one to his car and 40 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: proceeded to get a duffel bag. And as you said, 41 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: he had walked all the exits, got a duffel bag 42 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: with two shot guns in it, went into the store 43 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: and opened fire. He opened sixty rounds on these Yes. Um, 44 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: there were actually four employees in the store at the time. 45 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: One woman, by the grace of God, was actually able 46 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: to escape and call nine one. Unfortunately, my brother in law, 47 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: Brian was in the store with two other co workers, 48 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: Victoria and Terry. They were not so lucky, and we're 49 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 1: not able to escape. What yeah, but what happened and 50 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: the gunfire and all three of them were senselessly killed 51 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: by this person. And they knew him, correct, They knew 52 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: very well. Absolutely. They worked together for years. Um, you 53 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: know from my understanding, they they worked together for you know, 54 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: six or seven years. So this was you know, they 55 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: even considered themselves as the wife family. A lot of 56 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: the employees there. It's a very small town and everyone 57 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: was very oo snid, and you know, this was someone 58 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: that they might be at barbecues with or um. You know, 59 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: they knew each other's families, they knew everything that was 60 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: going on. They would help you know, people would help 61 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: each other out, and you know, so this this was 62 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: someone that they never and then in a million years 63 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: would have thought would have done this to them? What? 64 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: Not that it matters, but what what was the motive? 65 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: Why would he do this? Well, I there's there's there's 66 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: no reason for what he did other than uh, you 67 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: know from what I we've been able to surmise he 68 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: definitely had mental um mental issues and struggled with depression. UM. 69 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 1: And that's really the only there's no justification forbes. Were 70 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: they hidden? I mean what what? What? What do you believe? 71 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Was he angry? How could mental issues like that be 72 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: hidden for so long? It's um, I honestly I can't. 73 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: I have no idea. I have no idea how how 74 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: that you know it could be going on for so long? 75 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: And I'm going to can't speak for anyone else, but UM, 76 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: you know, it seems like it was a problem for 77 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: years and something with that, you know, that that he 78 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: had struggled with and that um, you know for many 79 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: many years, and they probably thought they were helping him 80 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: or befriending him during all of this. Oh my stores, 81 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm just so sorry about this. What time or not occur? Um? 82 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: It was about one o'clock in the morning actually that 83 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: that had happened. So this was what a store now 84 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: it actually, um, it was not opened twenty four hours 85 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: they were. This was the night shift that was. They 86 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: were in charge of, um, you know, cleaning the store, 87 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: restocking the store. So no customers were um, you know, 88 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: presidents are allowed to be president in the store at 89 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: the time. This was just strictly the night crew that 90 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: was working. Brian Hayes, a forty seven year old father, husband, son, brother, 91 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: was known to be a very quiet guy, a man 92 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: a few words with a heart of gold, who desperately 93 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: loved wife Tina and their daughter Caitlin. Right after high school, 94 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: he enlisted in the U. S. Navy, just like my 95 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: dad served on the U. S. S. Eisenhower deployed to 96 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: the Middle East during Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm. 97 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: He has been in Springfield, Pennsylvania with his family and 98 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: was employed there. As Becky is telling us, by Wife's Supermarkets. 99 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: Brian lost his life, leaving his wife and daughter too early. 100 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: He and two other coworkers gunn down for no reason 101 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: in the early morning hours there at work. What can 102 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: we do? What can we do? There's a seven year 103 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: old girl that's going to bed tonight without her dad. 104 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: There is yet another wife who will never be able 105 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: to reach out to her husband again. You know how 106 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: hard it is to raise children even with your spouse. 107 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: Imagine without without a child's support check, without an alimony payment, 108 00:07:52,560 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: without every other weekend with dad, with nothing but memor race. 109 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:10,239 Speaker 1: I just hate it so badly. With me is Becky Hayes, 110 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: and she's trying to do something about it. Tell me 111 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: about your go fund me account back. Well, I I 112 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: felt so hopeless, and I felt like there was just 113 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to do anything that I could 114 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: for my niece and for my sister in law. I 115 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: just couldn't even imagine that the devastation that they were 116 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: going through. I knew what I felt, um, and I 117 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: felt like my heart was breaking in a million pieces. 118 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: So I couldn't even imagine the pain that they were 119 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: going through. So, UM, I know that finances has has 120 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: always been a bit of a struggle for them. UM. 121 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: My brother law Brian and my sister in law Tina 122 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: actually were employed by the same supermarket they used to work. 123 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: Brian worked at the night shift so that Tina could 124 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: work the day shift so that there was always coverage 125 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: for their daughter. UM. So he sacrificed and he did 126 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: the night shifts just so he could always make sure 127 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: that someone was there to be with his daughter and 128 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: to to to raise her with both of her parents presents. UM. 129 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: So I know that money has been an issue. I 130 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: couldn't even imagine how my sister in law ever going 131 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: to go back into work in that store again. Um, 132 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: to work in the same place where you know that 133 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: your husband was totally gunned down. UM, I don't think 134 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: that she'll ever be able to return there, and rightfully so, 135 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: I don't think she anyone should even be asked to 136 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: return there. Um. So I know that the biggest need 137 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: that they have right now is for money. UM. My 138 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: sister in law, Tina has to now think about how 139 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: she's going to pay her bills and how she's going 140 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: to support my seven year old niece, Caitlin, and UM, 141 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, I know that that's been a struggle. So 142 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: I just decided to start a go fund me account 143 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: where UM, you know so many people can really late 144 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: on some way. UM, you know, just put yourself in 145 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: that position, and it could have been any one of us. 146 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: We all watched the news, um, you know, and you're 147 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: always were also naive just to think that you know, 148 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: it'll never be me. It always seems so far away 149 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: from home, and you know, I'm here to tell you 150 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: that it's not. You know, it could be any one 151 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: of us. It could have been any one of our 152 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: brothers or sons or daughters, or it could be any 153 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: one of us. And I've you know, I've tried to 154 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, throughout this just kind of realized that there 155 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: there is there are many many good people in this world, 156 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: and and there are many people that want to help. 157 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: And UM, this was just a way that I feel 158 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: that people have definitely been embracing and you know, every 159 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: little bit helps, Every five dollar donation, every ten dollar donation, 160 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: you know, it helps to UM blessing the burden that 161 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: my sister in law now has to carry on her own. 162 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: And you know, we we so appreciate the love and 163 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: support that we've gotten from the community. There's been people 164 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: that have offered to host um, you know, the repast, 165 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: people that never even knew my brother in law. UM, 166 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: there are so many good people in the world, and UM, 167 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, I truly believe in my heart that that 168 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: there's more good than there is evil, and those of 169 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: us that have the good hearts. We just need to 170 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: to help those that we can and do what we can. 171 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: And this is just a little part that, um, you 172 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: know that that we can do to help, you know. 173 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: Talking about his wife going back to work in the store, 174 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: the grocery where he was murdered, People ask me all 175 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: the time, UM, have you ever been back to where 176 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: your fiancee was murdered? Have you ever read the trial transcript? No? 177 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: I haven't. The thought of it, just the ought of 178 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: going there literally makes me physically just shake. No. I 179 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: have not gone back to do what stand there and 180 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: look at it and relive when he was murdered by 181 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: someone he didn't know, I mean, and put my head 182 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: in that space again. Uh, into such a dark area 183 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: it's hard to get back out. No. I hope she 184 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: never has to go there again. How do I find 185 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: the go fund me account? Becky Um? You can just 186 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 1: go on to the go fund me page and the 187 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: really fund that is called He's Um it's his Family's 188 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: really fun h a y E. S Hayes Family Relief Fund. Okay, 189 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: So I go to the god like for instance, I'm 190 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: gonna do it right now, just so I know exactly 191 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: how to do it. Okay, so I'm online. I'm gonna 192 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: go to Google, which is what I do every morning 193 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: about five, and I'm going to go to go fund 194 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: me page. Go fund me page, al right, go fundi page. 195 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: All right. Let's see here what pops up. Okay, the 196 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: fund raising sight, go fund me, it's one word all together. 197 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: So then start a fund start, start a fundraise or search. 198 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: It's up at the top left. I'm gonna put h A. 199 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: Y E s Space family. He his family. Okay, I 200 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: just tuck in Hayes Family. Let's see what comes up here. 201 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: We go there. It is top left. Okay, Hayes Family 202 00:13:54,240 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: Relief Fund. Okay, now I know how to do it. Mmmmm. 203 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: This is how you do it. You go to the 204 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: go fund me page. It's all one word, go fund me, 205 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: and then you go to Hayes family and you see 206 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: the Hayes family really fund It can't bring him back, 207 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: we all know that, but it may help his widow 208 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: and ease some of her suffering about bills. I feel 209 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: so pitiful that that's all we can do. But I 210 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: will do it, and I'm doing it now. Thank you. 211 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us and sharing this information. 212 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We truly appreciate all of your 213 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: well wishes and prayers and thoughts. They talk to raise 214 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: us during a time when we're down. God bless you, 215 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: and please tell her we are praying and praying and 216 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: praying for her and her daughter, Caitlin. I'm gonna pause 217 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: just a moment and thanks someone very special for making 218 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: today's podcast possible. 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Thank you for what you are doing in 243 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: the job market, and thank you for being our partner Zip. 244 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: Thank you. And right now, Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby's fate 245 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: is now in the jury's hands. Andrey Constance says that 246 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby sexually assaulted her January February two thousand four. 247 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 1: Cosby has charged with felony aggravated in decent dessault. Cosby 248 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: has denied wrongdoing and says their encounter was consensual. Seventy 249 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: nine year old has been accused by more than fifty 250 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: women of drugging and or sexual misconduct. I've never seen 251 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: anything like this. Judge is only allowing one other accuser 252 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: to take the stand. The comedian left court Monday night 253 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: without a verdict, but with his spirits still intact. Funny 254 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: man Bill Cosby not as funny this morning. Video and 255 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: photos of him at the courthouse show him not smiling 256 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: with the typical thumbs up like Dr Huxtable. He looks 257 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: concerned and he should right now. He is facing at 258 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: least ten years jail time in the alleged rape of 259 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: Area constant, who worked at Temple University with the women's 260 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: basketball team. At that time. Bill Cosby, America's former funny man, 261 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: was a trustee at Temple. Not anymore. That goes without 262 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: saying with me right now. Veteran trial lawyer and professor 263 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: of litigation at Emory Law School Randy Kessler, Randy, what 264 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: is taking the jury so long? What's their problem? Well, 265 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: it means it's a it's a difficult case. It means 266 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot to consider and nothing. Really. What's difficult 267 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: about it? Well, the laws? What's difficult about it? I mean, 268 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: the facts are pretty clear that he gave her something 269 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: and he did something to her, But the question whoa 270 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: whoa hold on? Buddy, let's not put her a fume 271 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: on the pig. Okay, Uh, he gave her something and 272 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: did something. My my my, m mmmmmmmmm. That's what you 273 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: call a euphemism. Um. Well, this is what is alleged, 274 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: specifically that Bill Cosby drugged her with either quaaludes or 275 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: as he says, Ben and drill right, and that she 276 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: felt her legs and arms were quote frozen as he 277 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: digitally raped her. Okay, now that we put the truth 278 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: out there, what's hard about what's hard to understand about that? 279 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: I understand it, Bam. What I think the question is 280 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: what's the lawn? And first of all, what's the law. 281 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: You're not supposed to rape people. I think I'm pretty 282 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: sure that's the law. But if people can set to 283 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: having sex, if they can set the things, then you 284 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: are not guilty of rape. And that's what they're considering. 285 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: This has been ala. How can you can say it 286 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: when you want to lead? Hey, people take quayludes all 287 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: the time. By content. People often agree to do things 288 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: when they are interested in somebody, or they want other reasons. 289 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: They want to say it wasn't my fault. They did things. 290 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: There are lots of things for the jury, he admits 291 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: he gave her. Then why then, why hasn't the jury convicted? 292 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: And well, that's what I'm telling you. There's a reason 293 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: that they're not convicting them. Yet they're questioning it. Some 294 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: people don't believe her. Some people think, why did it 295 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: take her so long? Why did it take so long 296 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: to prosecute? Why is she now stand? And that I understand? Okay, 297 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: well that's point one right now. I'm sure they have heard, however, 298 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: from a sex assault expert as to why sex assault 299 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: victims very often don't ever come forward, don't ever tell 300 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: a single soul or why there is a delay in 301 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: coming forward, or why there is a memory relapse. It's 302 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: very common. If fact, I've had more rape victims that 303 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: I've dealt with that have those problems that don't. I 304 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: agree with you, Nancy. I think you know, part of 305 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: the delay maybe that he has so much credibility. You know, 306 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: the average person that comes in accused of rape, nobody 307 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: knows who they are. There's somebody who looks maybe like 308 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: what we think of criminal might look like, especially if 309 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: they don't dress nice. This guy had about as much 310 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: credibility as anybody that's ever been prosecuted in America, and 311 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta peel that back, and you've got 312 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: to have people in the jury room talking to each 313 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: other saying, doesn't matter that it's credible. You can argue 314 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 1: all you want that a person as a person. As 315 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: a person, everybody loved him, everybody belieped, and everybody wanted 316 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: him to be the good guy because that was their image. 317 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: You know, these things take time, and I don't think 318 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: it's an easy prosecution by any means, and we're seeing 319 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: that by four days of deliberation. Randy, you're absolutely right. 320 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: And when you hear Kessler say they may not look 321 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: like a rapist, they may not dress like a rapist. 322 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: What he's talking about, I believe is the stereotypes, whether 323 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: we record niys them or not, that are buried deep 324 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: in our psyche. What you think a child Melista would 325 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: look like, What you think a bank robbert would look like, 326 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: what you think a dopadic would look like, what you 327 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: think a rapist would look like. You wouldn't think they 328 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: would look like a movie star. You've grown up with 329 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 1: the creator of fat Albert that my children have watched. 330 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing, the whole kid and kaboodle. 331 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: This is him. He's got his wife there of many years, 332 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: dressed like old Grandma, coming in smiling, arm in arm. 333 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: You've got him sitting there acting like Dr Huxtable. It's 334 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: it's almost like somebody comes in and certainly tell you 335 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: the truth about Santa Claus. It's not that he doesn't exist, 336 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: it's that he was this bad. I mean, how long 337 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: would it take to undo all the good feelings, good 338 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: memories you have about Santa Claus. I mean, this guy 339 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: had that kind of image and that kind of impression. 340 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: It's hard to do, and it may not get and done. 341 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: This may be the problem with the kids. You're you're 342 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: you're right, and I'm not blind to your side. In fact, 343 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: understanding your side, understanding the defense side is the only 344 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: way to defeat the defense, and sometimes you can't. You 345 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: cannot defeat decades of believing Bill Cosby is Dr Huxtable. 346 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: I mean, and we only have one We only have 347 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: one victim here. Had any of the other victims been 348 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: allowed to process one? But one other one came in 349 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: and that was Um Johnson. Kelly Johnson, and she was 350 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: extremely upset, distraught, emotional on the stand, as juxtaposed against 351 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: Andrew Constant, who was much more calm and even killed 352 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: not totally, but much more. It is day four of deliberations, 353 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: and I believe it will be a critical day of 354 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: deliberate rations to establish whether funny man Bill Cosby committed 355 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: a rape, whether this jury will be able to reach 356 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 1: a verdict. Now, the juries reviewed a lot of evidence 357 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: presented to it during the trial. They've had a lot 358 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: of questions, at least four. The lady victim who accused 359 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: Cosby of rape was as I said, calm and composed 360 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: on the stand, but the defense spent most of its 361 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: time on cross trying to establish inconsistencies and mistakes in 362 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: her account. People don't want to believe a rape to 363 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: start with. It's hard to believe it happened, especially under 364 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: these circumstances without hard evidence like DNA, like bruising. We 365 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: don't have that because it was so so much later 366 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: and she was in denial. She tried to keep up 367 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: appearances with a trustee member at Temple Universe City. So 368 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: that's all a problem, right, Well, you know that's you're 369 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: exactly right, and that's what the jury is wondering. And 370 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: it looks like the defense made some success when the 371 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: jury comes back and says, we want to know what 372 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: you mean, judge when you say, without her knowledge or 373 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: for the purpose of preventing resistance, that they're questioning her credibility, 374 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: which is exactly what the defense wants to do. And 375 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: had there been twenty or thirty victims testifying, you might 376 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: have been able to peel back the credibility against Bill Cosby. 377 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's very interesting that you have 378 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: the credibility Bill Cosby versus the credibility of this witness, 379 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: this victim, but he didn't testify, so you know, truthfully, 380 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: how does the jury know that he's a credible person. 381 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,479 Speaker 1: They have to be remembering things from outside of what 382 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: was presented in evidence, and that's a real problem for 383 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: the prosecution. How do you undo all that this judge 384 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: has been giving them readbacks and everything they've wanted. Some 385 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: judge would have told them. Some judges would have told 386 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: them to rely on their own collective recollect actions and 387 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: their own individual recollections. He also has admonished them to concentrate. 388 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: The judge Judge O'Neill dismissed them at their request around 389 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: nine pm, sending them back to their hotel where they 390 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: are sequestered, about three hundred miles away from their home. 391 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: They were shipped in from Alleghany, from Allegheny County to 392 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: hear this trial. Um, we're waiting. We're on standby, and 393 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: I mean I wonder if the jury should have heard 394 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: more of the fingerprint, which I mean when I say that, 395 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: I mean almost identical similar transactions of nearly sixty women 396 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: all claiming the same thing. This judge allowed one similar 397 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: transaction in a prior alleged rape. Well, if there's not 398 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: a if there's not a conviction, everybody will be pointing 399 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: to that as as the big fault. Uh that let 400 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: him off the hook. That's certainly, you know, it is 401 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: how you peel back that credibility. That's how you show 402 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: there are other people. But you know, I also think 403 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: it's interesting the judge. I agree with you. A lot 404 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: of judges would have just said, you rely on your recollection. 405 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: Maybe the reason he let them hear the testimony again 406 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: was because it's a big case. He's bending over backwards 407 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: to prevent an appeal by either side. But once he 408 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: did it once his decision, and I think I agree 409 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: with him. Once he let them here one bit of 410 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: testimony a second time, next time they ask, you have 411 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: to let him do it again. Otherwise it sounds like 412 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: that testimony was important. But the next question you ask 413 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: is not important question to you? If there is a conviction, 414 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: if do you think Cosby we'll get jail time? I 415 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: think he's got to get jail time. I think that 416 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: you know, this is the kind of crime that you know, 417 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: how do you not give jail time? If we leave 418 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: the decision up to the jury. You know Cosby probably 419 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: was offered a plea deal, turned down the plea deal. 420 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: When you turn down a plea deal and you go 421 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: to and you go to court and you lose, you 422 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: can't get away with not going to jail. Otherwise, who 423 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: would ever take a plea deal if the chances were 424 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: that you could not only lose the case but still 425 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 1: avoid going to jail. He's old. I imagine he's going 426 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: to have on the lighter end of the sentence, but 427 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: it sounds like five years of the minimum. I think 428 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: the real question is, as soon as it's pronounced in court, 429 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: the drama moment will be does a judge revoke his 430 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: bond and say, right now you're going to jail, Mr Cosby? 431 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: Or does he let him stay out of jail pending bond. 432 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: Then he could file appeals. You know, it could drag 433 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: on and on and on. That that's me is gonna 434 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: be the interesting question. Does he say, right now, remove 435 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: Mr Cosby to the custody of the county sheriff and 436 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: you know, and then we have our aha moment where 437 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: nobody believed this would ever happen and it happens. Mhm. 438 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about if he did go to jail, what 439 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: sort of prison, what sort of facility he would be in? Um, 440 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: he's in his seventies. Now what do you think, Randy? 441 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: Will that weight into it. I think that'll way into it. 442 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: I think that That's why if I was the judge, 443 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: I think I would leave him out on bail. He 444 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: is not a danger to fly. No one's gonna know 445 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: who is gonna danger a flight. I mean, this guy 446 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: could probably owns a private planning to co be gone 447 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: in a New York minute. And not only that, I 448 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: would be concerned about another offense. I mean, when you 449 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: don't know a horse. Look at his track record. This 450 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: guy's like the energizer bunny. Oh well, these are allegations 451 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: from years and years ago. But I don't I think 452 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: if he was ever going to do something like that again. 453 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: I think right after getting found guilty would probably be 454 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: the very very last time that he would even think 455 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: about doing stuff like that. And if he does, as 456 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think he should be treated any 457 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: differently than any other rape defendants. So I'm voting for 458 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: jail time. There, I said it. I said it with us. Also, Alan, 459 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: do dud I hear you saying something in the background 460 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: about the Cosby Show. Well, it occurred to me. I 461 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: noticed somebody tweeted that A good observation. They've deliberated twenty 462 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: eight hours so far, very long days. If they had 463 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: wanted to, they could have watched the entire first two 464 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: seasons of The Cosby Show in that amount of time. 465 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: So just to put it in a perspective of how 466 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: long these jurors in Pennsylvania are considering this case, and 467 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: you are bringing up the Cosby Show in the middle 468 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: of Cosby's right trial, because well, because that's how we 469 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: know him. At least that's the big thing, Dr Huxtable. 470 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: Have you not been listening? We're talking about Dr dr Huxtable. 471 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: So I mean, what are you doing? What what? I'm 472 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: just saying that it's been horse sofa on top of 473 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: your shag carpet and just like Cadelic wall paintings just 474 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: down the street from the Playboy mansion. Yes, yes, it 475 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: was Dr Huxtable. Get with it, man. Well my point 476 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: is twenty eight hours. These jurors are going very long days. 477 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: I think though, today is the day. I really believe that. Okay, 478 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: there you have from the source, the expert, Alan, the 479 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 1: Duke Duke, joining us from his penthouse in l A. Okay. 480 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: He has, you know, a psychic connection to this Pennsylvania courtroom, 481 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: and he says, today's the day. Actually, you know what, 482 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: I think you may be right? Okay, Nancy Grace Crime 483 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: Stories signing off Kessler, We will meet another day, my 484 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: friend Alan. Thank you, goodbye friend. H