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Speaker 3: Monday morning. We're in August. Let's talk money. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: I want to talk money. I've wanted to do this

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Speaker 3: for so long. Just Baseball Show, Jack McMullen, arm Leighton.

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Speaker 3: This is like so we originally branded it as a

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Speaker 3: to be a different type of look at baseball, and

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Speaker 3: we're going to be a bit more critical than I

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Speaker 3: think we want to be most times, because the fact

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Speaker 3: of the matter is, like, we love this sport. It's awesome,

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Speaker 3: but there are a lot of things that suck that

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Speaker 3: we hate, and one of them right now is money.

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Speaker 3: For a couple of reasons. We're gonna talk Kamar Rocker,

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Speaker 3: but we got to talk about the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: Yep, we got to talk about the Dodgers. And I

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Speaker 2: was looking at the luxury the luxury tax today and

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Speaker 2: my estimates we were pretty spot on. I think I

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Speaker 3: So I've got it on spot track. Somebody might call

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Speaker 3: it spo track. I like spot track.

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Speaker 2: I've always just changed with the weeks, just depends on

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with spot track, but I've got spot

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Speaker 3: track up right now. And the Dodgers are forty two

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Speaker 3: next highest or the next closest to the luxury tax

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Speaker 3: paying more for their guys than anybody else because they

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Speaker 3: pay these penalties. And the way that the luxury tax works,

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Speaker 3: it's not technically called the luxury tax in Major League Baseball,

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Speaker 3: it's called the competitive balance tax. And the essence of

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Speaker 3: it is you are taxed a certain percentage for every

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Speaker 3: that benchmark that you hit where you start to incur

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Speaker 3: penalties changes on a yearly basis. So this year, two

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Speaker 3: hundred and ten million dollars. Does that sound right?

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Speaker 2: I they have something along those lines. Yeah, So if.

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Speaker 3: Your forty man payroll is over two hundred and ten

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Speaker 3: And the Dodgers pretty much said, I couldn't give less

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Speaker 3: of a shit with that number. Is Nope, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: And you know, I like that. I like the fact

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Speaker 2: And that's something too is whenever I bring up, oh,

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Speaker 2: we want that too. We want both of those things.

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Speaker 2: Both of those things are good those both of those

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Speaker 2: things encourage parity, and we don't really have that when

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Speaker 2: you have a team that is forty million dollars over

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Speaker 2: and that's almost as much as several teams, several competitive

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Speaker 3: Love tons and you feel like the Dodgers and the

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Speaker 3: a lot of major market teams could be in that

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Speaker 3: Right I want to run through the forty man payrolls

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Speaker 3: number one, one hundred and seventy three point one million

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Speaker 3: the league average is eighty five point six million dollars,

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Speaker 3: so the Dodgers are paying twice as much as the

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Speaker 3: average MLB team, And I agree with you. The whole

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right, it's one or the other. They're not

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Speaker 2: mutually exclusive, they're not.

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Speaker 3: All you want to do is like lessen the window

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Speaker 2: So you want to know something absurd. Their forty man

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Speaker 2: So that's one, two, three, four, five six. Teams like

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Speaker 2: that can't happen. It can't and and and part of

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Speaker 2: that is on the fault of the fact that the

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Speaker 2: Miami Marlins have a twenty nine million dollars forty payroll,

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Speaker 2: the Baltimore Orioles have a twenty one million dollar forty

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Speaker 3: How does that happen?

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Speaker 2: That's inexcusable as well. And it's hard to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's their money, right, So it's not the

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Speaker 2: Dodgers that's the problem. It's Baseball. Like the Dodgers. If

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Speaker 2: do and what that ownership group wants to do, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're doing what they can within the parameters

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Speaker 2: to talk hockey to my Florida Panthers, which I'm not

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Speaker 2: that was like way more expensive than the cap. Do

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what you're talking.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So basically, there's a guy that was out for

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Speaker 3: And in stamcost that's the only guy I know.

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Speaker 2: Pan's the one time I cared about hockey. He was

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Speaker 2: This isn't really a loophole though. This is just a

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Speaker 2: team that I think MLB when they made this collective

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Speaker 2: And they found a team that literally couldn't give less

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Speaker 3: Right like, Okay, try me and it's gonna happen. Yeah, God,

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Speaker 3: So I guess, like my next thought is, how do

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Speaker 2: I think you got to come up with a number,

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Speaker 2: Like you come up with a payroll number that you

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Speaker 2: with the luxury tax threatshold was and just cap it there.

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Speaker 2: You can't go over that. I mean, you give a

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Speaker 2: I just don't see why that's so difficult to be

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Speaker 2: setting a floor that doesn't handicap these teams, and maybe

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Speaker 2: you increase the revenue sharing if the Dodgers aren't an

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Speaker 3: Set absolutely that that should absolutely be the case, and

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Speaker 3: you pose the idea of percentages and that adjusting the

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Speaker 3: Philly two San Diego three, the Mets four Houston, and

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Speaker 3: If you make the Dodgers, Phillies, Padres, and Yankees get

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Speaker 3: Cleveland spent thirty eight point nine million dollars. Make the

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Speaker 2: I think that further incentivizes building a great system. Right,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely you do. And I think if any of this,

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing is if they went and attained

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Speaker 3: And you can put together competitive offers for Clevenger last

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Speaker 3: Amen to that. Before we go, we got to talk

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fuck that sweet, fuck that tweet. Okay, you're ready,

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Speaker 2: What hed fun guy, Thank you, Hedge fun guy for

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Speaker 2: common arm injury and that was an to put off

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Speaker 2: the Mets, then I think that's that's a crack of shit,

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Speaker 2: because if that happened six months later, are the Mets

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Speaker 2: going to say, oh, no, no, we're going to release

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Speaker 2: this guy, or oh, we're really low on Rocker now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, twenty five percent of pitchers undergo Tommy John surgery.

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Speaker 2: It's not really a big deal anymore, and it happens

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Speaker 2: very often right after the draft. I'm not really If

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Speaker 2: it is a Tommy John issue, I will be very upset.

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Speaker 2: I'm expecting it to be a bit worse for Kumar's sake.

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Speaker 2: I hope not, but it's kind of a lose lose here.

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Speaker 2: If it's worse, that's a shame for Kumar, and I

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Speaker 2: really hope that he's able to get back and get

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Speaker 2: through it. But if it's better and it's just Tommy John,

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Speaker 2: that's a really bad look for baseball on for the Mets.

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Speaker 3: Did you see Scott Morris's statement?

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Speaker 2: No, I actually did not.

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Speaker 3: Scott Mooris said that they have done independent medical examinations

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Speaker 3: on Kumar and they did not discover anything and that

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Speaker 3: he will be throwing as normal from here on out.

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Speaker 3: So he defers his draft status to twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: TI too.

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Speaker 3: I understand that the agent can embellish that a little bit,

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Speaker 3: but if Scott Boris is going on the record saying

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Speaker 3: that Kumar is healthy, that screwed up.

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Speaker 2: Well. Here's the thing, too, is where there there were

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Speaker 2: some vlo concerns at times, right, but there wasn't anything crazy.

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Speaker 2: You know, His Vlo fluctuated a little bit. That happens.

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Speaker 2: I watched him pitch in Omaha. It was I believe

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Speaker 2: it was his last career start. Yeah, he was fine.

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Speaker 2: He was fine. I mean, I know there's always more

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Speaker 2: than what meets the eye. But if this is some

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Speaker 2: debilitating injury or some massive red flag, I feel like

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Speaker 2: it would have shown up on the radar gun and

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Speaker 2: it would have showed up in his pitches, and it

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Speaker 2: just nobody was talking about this, Nobody was worried about it.

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Speaker 2: And he actually regained a lot of his v LOO.

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Speaker 2: So it's gonna be a really interesting situation. And it's

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Speaker 2: just it's ironic to me because I think that they

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Speaker 2: were hoping to be able to get Rocker for a

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Speaker 2: bit cheaper. Maybe they didn't like it. I'm sure Rocker

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Speaker 2: was expecting the full swat bonus. And if you're the Mets,

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Speaker 2: you don't really care if you get another pick next year.

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Speaker 2: They probably prefer it, so they probably say, hey, we

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Speaker 2: don't have to deal with Scott Boris. We'll have two

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Speaker 2: first round picks next year. We just traded our twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty first round pick, so we'll just go that way

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Speaker 2: and load up next year. I really think the Mets

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Speaker 2: are quite happy with this fallout, and that's why it

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Speaker 2: smells a little bit fishy to me.

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Speaker 3: It smells very fishy, and the Mets fan base is

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Speaker 3: not happy with this fallout at all.

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Speaker 2: No, And the other funny thing about this is that

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Speaker 2: the Mets have a disproportionate amount of arm issues within

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Speaker 2: their organization. Yeah, on record, we've had We've had oldersin

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Speaker 2: come out and say, oh, we're going to use Modus,

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Speaker 2: which is the workload tracking sensor that is incredible. A

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Speaker 2: lot of players swear by it. It's a bit I

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Speaker 2: think it was purchased by drive Line and it manages

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Speaker 2: your workload basically can tell you if your arm is

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Speaker 2: being overused, and all of those different things. They never

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Speaker 2: ended up using it. I mean, to go on record

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Speaker 2: and say hey, we're going to use this and then

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Speaker 2: not use it. I mean, you look at the history.

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Speaker 2: I know all teams have arm issues with their players,

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Speaker 2: but the Mets have had a really bad history. And

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Speaker 2: then just the fact that they're coming out and saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: we're going to do this and then they don't. It's

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Speaker 2: just interesting to me that all of a sudden they're

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Speaker 2: terrified of these arm issues. They also just drafted Jtguin,

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Speaker 2: who was coming off of Tommy John surgery, and I

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Speaker 2: know the Mets kind of used that as like, look,

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Speaker 2: we're not put off by Tommy John. It's more than that.

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Speaker 2: I think they're just put off by this specific situation.

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Speaker 3: I think so too, And I'm really curious to find

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Speaker 3: out as the days roll on, what intricacies this specific

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Speaker 3: situation had that warranted the red flags for the Mets.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see. Man, it's going to be a bad

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Speaker 2: look for baseball and for the Mets if this shakes

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Speaker 2: out the way you and I are afraid it makes

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Speaker 2: shake out. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: But good to talk money, man, Always good to talk money.

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Speaker 2: Then to Taka