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Speaker 3: Good morning everyone. How's everybody doing? Ryan and Emily in

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Speaker 3: this very early am.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's earlier for you, man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean it's the earliest for the FBI,

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Speaker 3: because the FBI is they're waking up, they're getting started,

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Speaker 3: and it inspired me to hop out of bed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they had they had their wadies nice and early

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Speaker 5: and got to John Bolton's house by seven am.

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Speaker 4: So we'll have details on that coming up.

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Speaker 6: That's right. You know what.

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Speaker 3: We're also going to be talking a little bit about Israel.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be looking at a Wesley Bell town

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Speaker 3: hall and a ruling on Alligator Alcatraz, as well as

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Speaker 3: more in the fun second half, answering AMA questions and

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Speaker 3: getting to the stories that would get taken down if

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Speaker 3: we put on the public YouTube. With that being said,

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Speaker 3: let's let's just get right into it. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: an early morning. I thought I was waking up early,

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Speaker 3: but it's actually the FBI that are rising and shining here.

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Speaker 6: So the FBI.

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Speaker 3: Rated John Bolton's home, which we've got video of right here,

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Speaker 3: and it has happened early in the morning.

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Speaker 6: What are we going to make of this? Ryan and Etai?

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Speaker 7: The Post got the exclusive on this, which their New

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Speaker 7: York Post is not in Bethesda, so somebody from the

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Speaker 7: administration clearly tipped them off.

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Speaker 8: What can we learn? What do we what can we

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Speaker 8: pull from from the Post.

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Speaker 5: Right which, by the way, I think it's worth noting

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Speaker 5: that potential tip off is a and has been for

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Speaker 5: a long time, a significant point that conservatives have used

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Speaker 5: about the roger Stone raid, and roger Stone has already

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Speaker 5: been posting, of course, but it appeared that CNN got

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Speaker 5: a leak about that raid. Now The New York Post

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Speaker 5: says that Bolton has not been arrested and is not

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Speaker 5: charged with any crimes as of Friday morning, according to

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Speaker 5: an official. But the raid comes after quote years of

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Speaker 5: investigation into the potentially criminal release of information, despite Trump's

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Speaker 5: first National Security Council assessing it as classified. So remember

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Speaker 5: John Bolton was Trump's NSA's National Security advisor. Now the

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Speaker 5: Post reports the related investigation began in twenty twenty, according

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Speaker 5: to this official, the same year, Trump's first Justice Apartment

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Speaker 5: launched a criminal inquiry into Bolton's alleged disclosure of national

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Speaker 5: securit secrets in his book The Room Where It Happened,

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Speaker 5: which many people probably remember because it had a big,

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Speaker 5: splashy debut. He was all over most corporate media channels.

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Speaker 5: And now John Bolton is under I believe his office

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Speaker 5: was rated yesterday as well. So the Biden administration, recording

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Speaker 5: the Post, quashed this particular investigation for what the Trump

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Speaker 5: But that's what we're seeing happen right now. At John

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Speaker 5: Bolton's house in Bethesda, it looked like his office in DC.

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Speaker 5: And then you have Cash Betel posting no one is

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Speaker 5: above the law. And Dan Bongino talking about that as

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Speaker 5: well or posting cryptically about that as well.

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Speaker 4: So kind of a wild morning in the beltwayh Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And I'm deeply conflicted here because you know, I hate

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Speaker 7: to see the FBI weaponized, you know, for political purposes.

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Speaker 7: I genuinely don't want the United States to become the

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Speaker 7: kind of place where both parties are throwing each other's

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Speaker 7: opponents in prison, right, Like, you know, having covered a

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Speaker 7: lot of countries around the world, the countries to do

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Speaker 7: that don't have the don't have functional politics. On the

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Speaker 7: other hand, man on Bolton getting right, Oh boy, hard

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Speaker 7: to criticize that. So yeah, I guess we'll just let them,

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Speaker 7: let them fight for now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that'll be I mean for people listening

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Speaker 4: Into his own.

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Speaker 5: His own allegedly improper use of or improper.

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Speaker 7: Oh, let the storage underscore how how comical that is.

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Speaker 7: We'll see, he had bathrooms full of classified information. He

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Speaker 7: but he was, he was on tape saying I can't

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Speaker 7: show you this I shouldn't even have this.

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Speaker 8: This is classified. But here let me show Okay, yes, yes.

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Speaker 5: Now John Bolton of course obviously doesn't have any of

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Speaker 5: the declassification or wouldn't have the declassification powers of a

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Speaker 5: president now Trump. This is what's sort of ridiculous about

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Speaker 5: the classified document investigation, so they're into Biden or into

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Speaker 5: essentially that they waived a magic wand and now we

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Speaker 5: didn't really see that play out in court and declassify it,

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Speaker 5: but you know, obviously it was. These classified document investigations

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Speaker 5: of presidents are insane and weaponized. Already, we've already sort

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Speaker 5: of crossed that rubicon.

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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And I would argue that Roger Stone raid was across

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Speaker 5: rubicon as well, or was part of crossing that rubicon

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Speaker 5: as well. Was not above the Biden administration, uh, to

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Speaker 5: do political theater like this. So here we have John Bolton,

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Speaker 5: America's sweetheart, finding himself the target of it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, at least with the Trump document, and

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Speaker 3: he kept them in the bathroom so you could flush

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Speaker 3: them in an emergency, right, So that's actually the safest

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Speaker 3: place to keep them. John Bolton's probably keeping them in

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Speaker 3: like a safe, which is not safe at all.

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Speaker 6: That's protected. You can't destroy them easily.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people get that wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, but I mean John Bolton it's probably the

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Speaker 3: last year or two Ben sky high because he's dreamed

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Speaker 3: since he was a little boy to go to war

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Speaker 3: with Iran. So it's been a lot of ups and

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Speaker 3: downs for him. What have we got to throwback here?

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Speaker 6: Let's do it. I can't hear it, Emily me.

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Speaker 8: Neither of that.

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Speaker 4: Okay, if you can't hear it.

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Speaker 5: It's John Bolton talking openly about how he.

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Speaker 4: Has done a few coups.

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Speaker 5: He corrects Jake Tapper who says it's not easy to

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Speaker 5: do a coup, and John Bolton says, well, listen, you

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Speaker 5: coups can be done.

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Speaker 3: Not impossible. Nothing's impossible if you set your heart and

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Speaker 7: He's run some failed coups too, which he talked about, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: like Clay in Venezuela. And now John he's getting his

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Speaker 7: policy you know, played out by Marco Rubio.

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Speaker 4: And this is the exact quote.

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Speaker 5: Tapper says, one doesn't have to be brilliant to attempt

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Speaker 5: a coup, and Bolton response.

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Speaker 4: I disagree with that. As somebody who's helped.

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Speaker 5: Plan coup to tad not here but other places. It

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Speaker 5: takes a lot of work. So this gets to Ryan

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Speaker 5: feeling personally conflicted about John Bolton, who comes out of

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Speaker 5: you know, the Cold War new conservative strain of the right,

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Speaker 5: and this this question of extra judicial conduct. When you're

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Speaker 5: on television talking about how you've planned one or.

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Speaker 4: Two coups, uh, you know, maybe it is time for

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Speaker 5: And whether it's John Bolton or someone else, I'm all

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Speaker 5: ears to hear what he what laws he is alleged

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Speaker 5: to have violated.

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Speaker 7: And it is nice that he's so familiar with carrying

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Speaker 7: out kup data that he would even use the like

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Speaker 7: French plural pronunciation of the French plural accurately.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I got to be pretty deep in the weeds to

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Speaker 7: know that if you've done multiple coups, the plural would

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Speaker 7: be coup de ta right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like when a filmmaker used to say, yeah,

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Speaker 3: coups desta nice.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, speaking of Trady general in your world perfect.

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Speaker 3: So speaking of law and order, you know, we also

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Speaker 3: have some breaking news here about everyone's favorite facility, Alligator Alcatraz,

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Speaker 3: A federal judges giving Florida sixty days to clear out

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Speaker 3: the immigration detention facility called Alligator Alcatraz. The ruling forbid

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Speaker 3: state officials from moving any other migrants there. Uh, now,

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Speaker 3: what are the reasons why this incredible, functional, necessary facility

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Speaker 3: has been shut down?

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Speaker 7: So the local tribe that lives there brought this case

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Speaker 7: saying that the and the Abundance crew. I wonder I

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Speaker 7: wonder if they will rush to the defense of Alligator

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Speaker 7: Alcatraz because they brought environmental concerns. So, as you guys know,

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Speaker 7: I was down there the week before it was opened

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Speaker 7: and was there as the as the trucks.

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Speaker 8: Were going in on a minute by minute.

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Speaker 7: Basis, and I am I am not an ie environmental expert,

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Speaker 7: but I could just tell you just from watching it

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Speaker 7: And so the specific ruling from this judge is that

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Speaker 7: all the sewage related stuff because clearly it is leaking

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Speaker 7: sewage and gasoline constantly into the wetlands, which would destroy

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Speaker 7: it for you know, a generation or two, and so

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Speaker 7: that is that would of course, well, the washing Post

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Speaker 7: report says that would effectively shut the camp down. I

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Speaker 7: suppose if they wanted to get you know, extraordinarily medieval,

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Speaker 7: they could say, Okay, we're going to leave the people

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Speaker 7: and just this is the judge's fault. So she's also

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Speaker 7: saying you can't bring anybody new now. Ronda Santis responded

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Speaker 7: by saying his comment was the deportations will continue until

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Speaker 7: morale improves, so defiant in the face of this judicial order.

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Speaker 8: So so we'll see.

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Speaker 7: I could say on the merits, it's quite obvious you

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Speaker 7: can't build a giant generator powered sewage facility with thousands

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Speaker 7: of people in the middle of the destroying the wetlands

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Speaker 7: because of the right. Yeah, the tribal not in my

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Speaker 7: not in my backyard.

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Speaker 6: I'm part I'm part of the yes in my swamp.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, So what this came down to, So Friends

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Speaker 5: of the Everglades one of the groups that sued, but

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Speaker 5: the question at hand was like the federal component of

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Speaker 5: Alligator Alcatraz. So the judge said that federal immigration enforcement

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Speaker 5: was quote the key driver of Alligator Alcatraz being built,

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Speaker 5: and so because of that, it has to be subject

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Speaker 5: to federal environmental laws and can't be subject to state

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Speaker 5: environmental laws. So that was the sort of technical workaround,

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Speaker 5: will not work.

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Speaker 4: Around, But that was sort of the technical yes, right.

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Speaker 8: So we'll see.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the law is clear on this, you can't

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Speaker 7: do this. We'll see if the law matters at all.

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Speaker 3: It's also kind of sad that like we're not it's

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Speaker 3: not being like outlawed because it's like mean or cruel.

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Speaker 3: It's out being outlaw because of like the swamp land

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Speaker 3: creatures have more humanity than the people were thrown around there.

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Speaker 3: And also just on the outside of the environmental it

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Speaker 3: sounds like very resource intensive to have like a gulag

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Speaker 3: like it's part of the part of the fantasy.

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Speaker 4: Do, then have to be processed.

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Speaker 5: And so there is a I mean a serious question

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Speaker 3: So wow, And yeah, you're also gonna run out of uh,

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Speaker 5: One and a half million from January to June. So

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Speaker 7: But yes, yeah, but yeah, that tracks to me, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it just seems like everything's designed for social media,

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Speaker 5: Well, it's the videos, and they are also doing CBP Home,

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Speaker 4: So if you try to.

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Speaker 7: Meanwhile, real quickly, I was talking to a contractor here

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Speaker 7: Like what's what's the plan here? This is a generational problem,

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Speaker 5: It looks like they expanded five twenty nines to include

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Speaker 8: So okay, so that's the most Kamala Harris thing ever.

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Speaker 7: So you can go to So five twenty nine is

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's part of some workers that they used to

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Speaker 7: Fine, And that's not it's only it's only general and

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Speaker 7: the carboners electricians then either. Like people think that this

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Speaker 5: I was anecdotally I have heard I'm not a gig

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Speaker 4: So I don't that's just gig work. That's not you know,

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Speaker 8: Getting more like they're getting more Uber.

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Speaker 7: Eats deliveries and yeah, because that's that might be. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: For most people, it's not their ideal work situation.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. On that note, let's move on to some other

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Speaker 3: There was a tussle, a dust stop, if you will,

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Speaker 3: Here's a video from one constituent and filmed some of

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Speaker 3: the assaults and by the end is getting thrown to

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Speaker 3: the ground themselves.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I could add a little bit of background

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Speaker 7: here too that so this was a the town hall

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Speaker 7: held by Wesley Bell, who defeated Corey Bush in that

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Speaker 7: contentious primary, as Bush and other constituent tour at this said,

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Speaker 7: so it was it was tense. You know, Bell did

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Speaker 7: everything he could to stack the audience, uh, you know,

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Speaker 7: requiring tickets and you know it was not it's just

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Speaker 7: not a free for all. But still like most of

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Speaker 7: the people there were pretty hostile to him m hm.

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Speaker 7: And so Aftertle for what reason, Ryan Israel Israel like yelling,

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Speaker 7: yelling at him about Israel.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 7: And he kept and he was defending, like, you know,

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Speaker 7: calling them, you know, what are you supporters of October

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Speaker 7: seventh or whatever.

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Speaker 8: So after after the event, after the event.

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Speaker 3: For people who are not to erupt Ryan, but for

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Speaker 3: people who are just hearing the audio here I mean this,

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Speaker 3: there are large men grabbing women by their hair and

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Speaker 3: throwing them to the.

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Speaker 7: Ground and throat and so at the end of the event,

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Speaker 7: Bell tells them, I got to go talk to the

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Speaker 7: media in the back. I'm gonna do some interviews and

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Speaker 7: then I'll come out and speak with people. So Bell

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Speaker 7: leaves and then immediately all the security starts attacking these

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Speaker 7: constituents saying the town hall's over, you got to leave

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Speaker 7: and that and that's how this event unfolded. That you

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Speaker 7: just that you just witness and so now I saw

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Speaker 7: an Alderman shared that Corey Bush also shared that saying

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Speaker 7: what was he? Bell has questions to answer here? Did

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Speaker 7: like did he tell them to stay and then order

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Speaker 7: the his his security to get them out? Did he

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Speaker 7: lie to them basically and set them up for this

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Speaker 7: for this physical confrontation. So Belle is vulnerable and Corey

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Speaker 7: Bush is has clearly been publicly flirting with a with

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Speaker 7: a rematch against him. A lot of a lot of

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Speaker 7: news about Bell and and about his tenure as a

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Speaker 7: prosecutor and in Saint Louis broke after he won the election,

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Speaker 7: including sexual harassment, allegations, allegations of inappropriate like romantic relationships

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Speaker 7: with staff, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 8: So and also, so you know, we're now two years.

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Speaker 7: Into this genocide, two years deeper, and so the climate

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Speaker 7: is different perhaps for Bush.

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Speaker 8: So I think I think I think Bell is vulnerable here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean, like just to give people a

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Speaker 3: little context for people who don't remember everything about Wesley Bell,

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Speaker 3: he APAC went all in on his race to unseen

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Speaker 3: Corey Bush. The APAC tracker here claims that he's gotten

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Speaker 3: over twelve million dollars from the Israel lobby. I was

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Speaker 3: reading something that like almost two thirds of all of

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Speaker 3: Wesley Bell's donations were like directly from a pack or

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Speaker 3: like a pack affiliated people. So this was just one

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Speaker 3: of the most egregious, like thumb on the scale races

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Speaker 3: we've seen since the Jamal Bowman won.

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Speaker 7: Is that right, Ryan, Yes, that that is the second

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Speaker 7: most they've ever spent to knock something to knock somebody out.

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Speaker 7: And her race was close, much closer four thousand I think,

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Speaker 7: and Bowman Bowman got trounced, whereas Bush only lost by yeah,

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Speaker 7: a few thousand votes. So this this could this could

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Speaker 7: be an interesting race.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it is just this.

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Speaker 5: Is one of the most illustrative APAC examples. It's like

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Speaker 5: you're talking about a district in the Saint Louis area

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Speaker 5: that needs to have what how much twelve million, twelve

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Speaker 5: million million, twelve million dollars coming to prevent one vote

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Speaker 5: and one voice on one issue that has that is

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Speaker 5: not a domestic issue.

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Speaker 7: Right, It's like, does money mean anything to you guys

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Speaker 7: like that. You can just drop twelve million.

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Speaker 4: They're already Paul Singers already enough.

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Speaker 5: Pall Singer's already a million deep into the Thomas Massey primary,

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Speaker 5: like a primary.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Kentucky is mass gonna win that?

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Speaker 7: Yes, because they're thrown everything at him, right, I mean,

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Speaker 7: They've got Trump's team is out there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I think I think you'll be fine, But I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Maybe it's worth a trip. Maybe I'll maybe I'll do

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Speaker 5: that check it out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And it's also especially egregious to see that amount of

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Speaker 3: money thrown in and kind of you know, Democrats just

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Speaker 3: kind of looking the other way on it. Oh, he's

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Speaker 3: just another congressman like everyone else. And it's like, okay, sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, in another little bit of Democrat news here,

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Speaker 3: I did want to bring up and get y'all's reactions

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Speaker 3: to something happening over in Minnesota where the Minnesota THEFL

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Speaker 3: have revoked their already's endorsement of State Senator Omar Fata.

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Speaker 6: Is it Fata? Yeah, in the Minneapolis mayor's race. Now,

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Speaker 6: this guy is is he DSA?

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Speaker 3: He's he's like Ann, He's out and out out of

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Speaker 3: the closet socialist.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's I don't know if he's I think he's TSA,

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Speaker 7: but he's definitely, yeah, he's he would not be offended

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Speaker 7: at being called a socialist mm hmm.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And so they I guess endorsed and then to pull

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Speaker 3: to pull that back, which kind of is it's just

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Speaker 3: a fascinating one as well, because it's it's like it's

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Speaker 3: such a it's such a you know, it's the mayor

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Speaker 3: of Minneapolis, and it's just like, Okay, the the Democrats,

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Speaker 3: they they don't care. This is still like an old

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Speaker 3: litmus test that they're applying because did he make any

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Speaker 3: statements on Israel or is it just his socialist bona fides.

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Speaker 7: Well, so they're saying, I don't know how close you've

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Speaker 7: looked into it, Emily, I haven't had a chance to

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Speaker 7: dive into the weeds. They're they're saying that they discovered

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Speaker 7: in irregularity in the way that the Excel spreadsheet was

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Speaker 7: handled during the during the caucus, that this one candidate

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Speaker 7: was deleted from one of the rounds of voting, and

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Speaker 7: that that made the whole thing unfair. I think there

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Speaker 7: might be more in the in the weeds there's some

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Speaker 7: people who were just straight up accusing him of like

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Speaker 7: fraudulently messing with the spreadsheets somehow. Others are saying, no,

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Speaker 7: that this was an error. This is the part, this

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Speaker 7: is the party's error. Either way, they they took all

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Speaker 7: of the controversy around it and said, all right, well,

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Speaker 7: we're just tossing the whole thing out now. The Minnesota

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Speaker 7: Democratic establishment has wanted to nuke these these caucuses ever

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Speaker 7: since it became clear that the left was had become

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Speaker 7: able to outorganize the establishment.

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Speaker 8: At these caucuses.

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Speaker 7: They're very, very confusing causes you have to go to

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Speaker 7: like multiple different events. You go to one and then

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Speaker 7: you get your delegates, and then the delegate and then

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Speaker 7: you organize those delegates. Then you go to another. Cause

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Speaker 7: it's like it's more than just like an Iowa caucus.

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Speaker 7: It's like this months long organizing for and the more

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Speaker 7: passionate you are, then the more you're the better you're

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Speaker 7: going to do in this. And it turns out the

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Speaker 7: left wing of the Minnesota Party is more passionate than

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Speaker 7: the establishment is, and so they've been out organizing them.

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Speaker 7: So they've really wanted to get rid of these, you know,

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Speaker 7: for for a pretty long time. And yeah, they like

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Speaker 7: the party kind of establishment leadership just does not want

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Speaker 7: to be the nominee. That's just it's it's not a

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Speaker 7: coincidence that they're lot of your regularities lined up with

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Speaker 7: their position here.

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Speaker 6: But well, for what reason in particular?

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 7: What is the great threat of this Minneapolis mayor candidate.

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Speaker 7: I mean, for one, it's probably you know, great race

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Speaker 7: like this. He would be the first Somali American to

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Speaker 7: be mayor of the city, and I'm sure there's some

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Speaker 7: like resistance to that there. And but then also the

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Speaker 7: you know, the socialist politics.

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Speaker 8: They want.

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Speaker 7: They want more of a Jacob Frey like seems kind

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Speaker 7: kind of radical, but it is totally amenable to the

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Speaker 7: business community.

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Speaker 5: Ran, can you maybe give more contexts on some of

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Speaker 5: the stuff that's happened with DFL recently, because I actually

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Speaker 5: think there have been there was there are serious allegations

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Speaker 5: of chick cannery and fraud stuff with DFL in recent years,

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Speaker 5: haven't there been Like there's it's been a source of.

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Speaker 7: Some drama, has been a source of more drama than

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Speaker 7: most state parties. The head of it is now the

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Speaker 7: chair of the d n C, Ken Martin. Mm hmmm,

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Speaker 7: So that that's that's interesting as well.

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Speaker 4: There was the the feeding our Future thing. The that

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Speaker 4: was like the Biden.

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Speaker 5: FBI was looking into that and I think people from

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Speaker 5: DFL were wrapped up in it, but that might and

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Speaker 5: then the FBI was investigating their endorsement process. Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 5: like you said, that's kind of not that unusual for

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Speaker 5: say parties.

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Speaker 6: But Emily, let's keep following this lead.

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Speaker 3: I think the FBI should maybe raise in the DFL,

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Speaker 3: find out what's going on.

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Speaker 6: You know, one's above the law.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so as I say, John Bolton can take over

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Speaker 4: the DFL.

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Speaker 6: Nice.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So in that case, you know, I wanted to

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Speaker 3: get While we're on Democrats and infighting and the socialist candidates,

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Speaker 3: we had to talk about Graham Platner just for a

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Speaker 3: quick second here. Graham Platner kind of came out of

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Speaker 3: nowhere with this campaign video that people have been sharing

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Speaker 3: around it kind of went viral. He's running against Susan

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Speaker 3: Collins here in Maine. Let's take a listen to that,

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Speaker 3: and then let's get y'all's reactions.

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Speaker 10: I have never met people who are more scrabble, even

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Speaker 10: in a place that requires you to work like two

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Speaker 10: or three different jobs. We have watched this state because

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Speaker 10: I'm essentially unlivable for working class people, and it makes

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Speaker 10: me deeply angry. My name is Graham Platner, and I'm

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Speaker 10: running for US Senate and Maine to defeat Susan Collins.

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Speaker 10: A decade of military service, going overseas, farming oysters to

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Speaker 10: feed my community, diving to London ham to other fishermen,

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Speaker 10: trying to start a family. But everywhere I've gone, it

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Speaker 10: seems like the fabric of what holds us together is

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Speaker 10: being ripped apart by billionaires and corrupt politicians profiting off

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Speaker 10: of destroying our environment, driving our families into poverty, and

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Speaker 10: crushing the middle class.

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Speaker 6: So that's a taste of that.

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Speaker 3: Graham Platner running against Republican Susan Collins in Maine.

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Speaker 6: What are we to make of this?

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Speaker 7: Well, it turns out this has never happened for me before.

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Speaker 7: It turns out I knew Graham. So Graham grew up

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Speaker 7: in Maine, then joined the military did I think four

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Speaker 7: tours over ten years or something, and then went to

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Speaker 7: g w which maybe Emily knew him. I mean, I've

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Speaker 7: see probably a little before your time. So he went

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Speaker 7: to college at George Washington University, never didn't actually finish,

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Speaker 7: which to me is another feather in the cap of the.

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Speaker 4: That is really the best way to go to George Washington.

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Speaker 7: Yes, but while he was there to help pay for it,

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Speaker 7: he tended bar to tune In, which which was my

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Speaker 7: home away from home for many years back in the

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Speaker 7: two thousands. And so when I saw this, I was like,

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Speaker 7: wait a minute, I know Graham. So I texted the

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Speaker 7: other bartender, Ned and I was like, is this the

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Speaker 7: same Graham. He's like, yeah, Graham's running for senator.

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Speaker 6: This is awesome. Yes, he is.

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Speaker 8: So wild.

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Speaker 7: So he'd be the second bartender maybe to come to Congress.

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Speaker 7: The is this guy Jordan Wood, who we can talk

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Speaker 7: about more. I'll have a story on him next week.

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Speaker 7: More of a conventional ish candidate. Janet Mills is the

661
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Speaker 7: governor Democratic governor of Maine, and everybody is kind of

662
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Speaker 7: waiting for her to decide whether or not she's going

663
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Speaker 7: to run. She would be seventy nine when she took office,

664
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Speaker 7: which would make crazy Spring Chicken for the Senate, but

665
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Speaker 7: still the oldest freshman senator ever in Senate history. So

666
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Speaker 7: if you're setting age records in the Senate, you're old.

667
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Speaker 7: And also the Senate is a place of seniority, and

668
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Speaker 7: so like you know, it takes you know, they basically

669
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Speaker 7: don't talk to you in the Senate until you've won

670
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Speaker 7: your second until you've won reelection. So she would be

671
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Speaker 7: eighty five when her colleagues started to engage with her,

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Speaker 7: like what do you come on? Democrats like run the

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Speaker 7: p and you know, she's she's fine, Like I think

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Speaker 7: she's like minus four or something approval rating. So it's

675
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Speaker 7: not like people like despise her, but it's not like

676
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Speaker 7: they love her either. Running her would just be the

677
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Speaker 7: like this is what we do. We take the governor,

678
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Speaker 7: we put her up, and we see what happens. And

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Speaker 7: now this grand blatner is offering them a different path,

680
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Speaker 7: and I think it would make it very easy for

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Speaker 7: them to say yes too. If he's if he said,

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Speaker 7: if he's talked in a more passive voice, like our

683
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Speaker 7: you know, environments being destroyed, the fabric of our community

684
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Speaker 7: is being ripped apart. When he see, yeah, democracy is

685
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Speaker 7: at risk. It's when he adds buy billionaires, yep, that

686
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Speaker 7: the party is like, oh, this is do we really

687
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Speaker 7: have to do we really have to be so rude

688
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Speaker 7: about about how it's happening.

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Speaker 8: Let's just let's just talk about the fact that it

690
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Speaker 8: is happening and it's bad. Do we really have to

691
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Speaker 8: name them?

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Speaker 3: But do?

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Speaker 8: You'll go ahead?

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, I think that actually is like

695
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Speaker 5: the fine line between Gavin Newsom adopting this new strategy

696
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Speaker 5: of like looking like you're punching Republicans in the nose

697
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Speaker 5: and then actually executing on that, which is you have

698
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Speaker 5: to be able to talk about the system itself being

699
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Speaker 5: fundamentally broken, but not in those sort of vague terms

700
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Speaker 5: about the system is not working.

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Speaker 4: You need to say why the system is not working.

702
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Speaker 5: You need to have a platform, so like you can,

703
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Speaker 5: you can raise money, and you can boost your name

704
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Speaker 5: recognition by trolling Trump on social media. But that doesn't

705
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Speaker 5: mean you are going to like suddenly, this is what

706
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Speaker 5: Matt Bennett I know, we're going to talk about third way.

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Speaker 5: He called it quote combative centrism. He says Democrats need

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Speaker 5: a combative centrist. Well, if centrism looks like Dan Osborne, Yes,

709
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Speaker 5: if centrism if combative centrism or Grand Platner. But if

710
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Speaker 5: combative centrism looks like Gavin Newsom talking a little bit

711
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Speaker 5: more like a populist while also still taking all the

712
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Speaker 5: PG and E money and doing whatever he wants with it.

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Speaker 5: That is the I really feel like, Actually, Ryan, that's

714
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Speaker 5: such an important point because that's like the fine line

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Speaker 5: between looking like a populist and actually being a populist.

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Speaker 5: And I don't think Dems are prepared for how far

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Speaker 5: short just looking like a populist goes.

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Speaker 4: I mean, ask jd Vance.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and Griffin, do we have the the morning Joe.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna pull it up in a second because while

721
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Speaker 9: you're looking for that, I'll just add the point that

722
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Speaker 9: the path for him too could be the Bernie route

723
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Speaker 9: and the Osborne route, which is so Bernie always runs

724
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Speaker 9: in the Democratic primary so that nobody can win the nomination,

725
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Speaker 9: and then he rejects the nomination and runs as an independent.

726
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Speaker 7: So you could I could imagine Graham doing that that

727
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Speaker 7: like if he wins, because Angus King is an independent

728
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Speaker 7: senator from Maine, like Maine is a different kind of

729
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Speaker 7: state and has a real independent streak to it. They were,

730
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Speaker 7: and there were the hipsters when it came to this.

731
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Speaker 7: Now it's cool now, but they were. They've been doing

732
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Speaker 7: it forever. So you can imagine a world in which

733
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Speaker 7: he's like, look, I'm not even necessarily a Democrat here,

734
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Speaker 7: I'm running in the Democratic primary, but doesn't mean I

735
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Speaker 7: love this party. And if he wins the nomination, he

736
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Speaker 7: can decline it and then run as an independent, which

737
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Speaker 7: that I think is that is their way of beating

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Speaker 7: Susan Collins, like they've tried the Sarah Gideon, the last candidate,

739
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Speaker 7: had seventy five million dollars and finished with more than

740
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Speaker 7: twelve million in the bank. She had another fifty million

741
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Speaker 7: in super Pac money. Susan Collins had just as much

742
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Speaker 7: and she got beaten by like six points or something.

743
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Speaker 7: She was the Speaker of the House like that. They

744
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Speaker 7: keep running these like it's my turn Democrats against Susan Collins,

745
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Speaker 7: and people are like, Collins is kind of a phony

746
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Speaker 7: and a fraud, but always this person and i've and

747
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Speaker 7: Colin is a hard worker and charming in person and

748
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Speaker 7: knows everybody in Maine. And so you have to you

749
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Speaker 7: can't just do a Susan Collins light to beat Susan Collins.

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Speaker 4: You need no contrast.

751
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Speaker 5: And she that was the Guinea and race was after

752
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Speaker 5: the Kabanall vote, and this time Colins voted against the

753
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Speaker 5: one big beautiful bell.

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Speaker 7: So it's right and people, but people are a little

755
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 7: tired of that stick. Graham had a good line about her.

756
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Speaker 7: He's like, the only difference between her and Ted Cruz

757
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 7: is Ted Cruz is honest about you know, how he's

758
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Speaker 7: how he's selling you out.

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Speaker 8: But did you know did you see that?

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Speaker 3: She?

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Speaker 7: I think to me made a mistake. She has already

762
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Speaker 7: like criticized him by name over his over his position

763
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Speaker 7: on Gaza, which he you know, has called it a

764
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Speaker 7: genocide and said that, you know, the US needs to

765
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Speaker 7: change its policy towards towards Israel.

766
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Speaker 6: And she really got her finger to the wind on

767
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Speaker 6: that one.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, she went after a moment that.

769
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Speaker 7: Collins Collins Collins did Collins went after Graham Platner over it.

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Speaker 8: It's like, I don't know if this is your move,

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Speaker 8: Like you you really.

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Speaker 7: Want to elevate this guy, Be careful what you really

773
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Speaker 7: want to make this race about about Gaza?

774
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Speaker 5: Like I think this was in Politico, but I think

775
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 5: Susan Collins already has Dems them donors lining up behind her.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they would rather Yeah, they'd rather do that.

777
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Speaker 3: But some Dems are starting to get a little bit, uh,

778
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Speaker 3: they're starting to get a little warm for him.

779
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 6: We've got a Morning Joe clip here.

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Speaker 3: You know, Ryan mentioned, Ryan mentioned that, you know, the

781
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Speaker 3: passive voice that Graham should adopt.

782
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Speaker 6: But I think Graham's greatest skill is you know.

783
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Speaker 7: I don't think you should. No, no, I don't think

784
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 7: you should. I think I know that's party would like

785
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Speaker 7: him to adapt.

786
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you mentioned that that that's what the party

787
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 6: would like.

788
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Speaker 3: But his deep bravado, I think is his greatest superpower here,

789
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Speaker 3: and I think he can let him get away with anything.

790
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Speaker 6: As we can see, it's.

791
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Speaker 3: Already it's already wooed our our friends over at Morning

792
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Speaker 3: Joe Independent Media right here to the yeah part of

793
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Speaker 3: the ms X b ol Now plus or whatever it may.

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Speaker 6: WHOA.

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Speaker 11: That's like, that's a effect of ads I have seen

796
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Speaker 11: in a long time, and that's a Democrat. He's being himself,

797
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Speaker 11: but also is very clearly saying no, no, no, the

798
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Speaker 11: flag's not your symbol. No no, no, working dude in

799
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Speaker 11: a in a black T shirt is not just you know,

800
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Speaker 11: you're you're symbol, Like there are a lot of hardworking

801
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Speaker 11: people out here who think you all are acting crazy

802
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Speaker 11: right now, And it's really it's the authenticity. And it's

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Speaker 11: something you and I talked about too. You know, all

804
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Speaker 11: the fucking scripts you want. You walk into a room,

805
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Speaker 11: you either know you people in that room either know

806
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Speaker 11: you're one of.

807
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Speaker 6: Them or you're not.

808
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Speaker 3: And the candidate you mentioned, name, Graham Plattner is and

809
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Speaker 3: I'll just read his bio here on his X site

810
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Speaker 3: combat veteran friend of the working maner foe of the allarchy.

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Speaker 6: It hung six', five let's. Go you, know it's.

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Speaker 3: Funny it's, like out of all the, things you, know

813
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Speaker 3: he didn't like that he was anti, oligarchy anti.

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Speaker 6: Billionaire he liked that he was a. Hunk he was

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Speaker 6: salivating over this. Guy he was like the, biceps the.

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Speaker 3: VIBE i just you, know the bartender that you that you,

817
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Speaker 3: respect that you want to earn the respective when you

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Speaker 3: come to the.

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Speaker 7: Bar it's it's running The fetterman strategy, again in the

820
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Speaker 7: sense that When fetterman was a left wing, candidate a

821
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Speaker 7: populous left wing, candidate that people would come after him

822
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Speaker 7: and try to tar him with all the same you

823
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Speaker 7: know things that they would try to HIT aoc with

824
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Speaker 7: and it just it just didn't scan because people would be, like,

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Speaker 7: well look at. Him he looks like, yeah This american,

826
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Speaker 7: dude he's like he's like a Cool. Bartain her, like,

827
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Speaker 7: yeah it's not gonna, stick and, yeah just uh the

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Speaker 7: Morning Morning joe is just they're just, like, yeah they

829
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Speaker 7: think he's.

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Speaker 5: Hot, wait wait until they realized it's another vote For

831
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Speaker 5: medicare for.

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Speaker 4: All wait to they realize it's.

833
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Speaker 7: That that was their problem with With vetterman at the,

834
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Speaker 7: time and they then they couldn't quite figure out how

835
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Speaker 7: to because they're so caught up in their cultural. Politics

836
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Speaker 7: they're just they just love so much that he's a

837
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Speaker 7: veteran and can can can like a wave the, flag

838
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Speaker 7: that they're so all in that they they have nothing

839
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Speaker 7: to then say about the substance of his.

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Speaker 8: Politics they're.

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Speaker 5: Stuck well, THIS i, mean this brings us back to

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Speaker 5: To Dan Dan, osborne who was running aything Step fishers

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Speaker 5: someone that Morning joe would absolutely bear hug. Anytime i'm

844
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Speaker 5: sure they saw her in an airport. LOUNGE i should,

845
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Speaker 5: say they wouldn't just be meandering around the. Airport but

846
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Speaker 5: he was really clever on the culture. Stuff and that's

847
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Speaker 5: a huge question For. Graham maine has had a lot

848
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Speaker 5: of controversy over transports and that, Well Janet mills in,

849
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Speaker 5: particular has become a focus of The trump administration that

850
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Speaker 5: has made a lot of waves In maine, recently and

851
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Speaker 5: so that is sort of the next bridge to. Cross

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Speaker 5: BERNIE aoc obviously have gone on The Fighting oligarchy tour

853
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Speaker 5: and downplayed a lot of that and actually attacked it

854
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Speaker 5: to the extent that they've addressed. It attacked it by

855
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Speaker 5: saying it's a, distraction it's trying to divide working, people

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Speaker 5: and those LINES i think are. Effective Dan, osbourne when

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Speaker 5: we interviewed him last, Year ryan HAD i thought of,

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Speaker 5: you you could tell it wasn't, focus gript or, ANYTHING i,

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Speaker 5: think which is why it was, effective a really strong

860
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Speaker 5: answer when we asked him about abortion and when we

861
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Speaker 5: talked to him about some of the culture war. Questions

862
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Speaker 5: so on the one, hand this sort of like combative.

863
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Speaker 5: Centrist it just shows how our category for what centrism

864
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Speaker 5: is is totally. Confounded like it doesn't we don't really

865
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Speaker 5: like we know what they want centrism to.

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Speaker 4: Be but for the average, voter.

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Speaker 5: It's something that feels more like anti, oligarchy common sense policy.

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Speaker 5: Is but it's not like this neat left right center

869
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Speaker 5: that Morning joe would want it to. Be AND i

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Speaker 5: think they're probably in for a little bit of a

871
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Speaker 5: rude awakening when they find out And Gavin newsom, too

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Speaker 5: by the, way when they find out what voters who

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Speaker 5: like you Punching republicans in those actually want to see you.

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Speaker 7: Do, yeah and an, oysterman, like how lucky Could democrats?

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Speaker 7: Get they That, Graham, no that the the only part

876
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 7: that's unlucky for them is his. Politics you know that

877
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 7: he agrees more with me that he does with. Them

878
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 7: but from a biography, perspective you, know they got a

879
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 7: combat veteran and an oysterman who was born and raised

880
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 7: In maine like and is willing to call himself A.

881
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 8: Democrat not many of those, seriously, Right.

882
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: And so, yeah it's, like you, know The democrats they need,

883
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: fighters they but you, know they really only want fighters

884
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 3: who mean as we, See, uh they're much more comfortable

885
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 3: With Newsome and in his memoir we've got to sat

886
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: here From Harry enton showing that the memes are, working.

887
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 6: Folks let's take a. LISTEN i THINK i.

888
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 12: Think it absolutely has been working in terms of generating,

889
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 12: attention which is what he's trying to, do. RIGHT i,

890
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 12: mean take a look, here let's take a look right

891
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 12: at the at Gov Press office followers on x that's

892
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 12: of course where you get those sort of the account

893
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 12: Where newsom post Those trump style mocking types of. Tweets

894
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 12: get this that that. Account get this up four hundred

895
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 12: and fifty in terms of the number of followers since Mid.

896
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 12: June and it's not just On twitter x Where newsome is.

897
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 12: Gaining even on TikTok And instagram his followers are up

898
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 12: over a million Since january, alone my, goodness, gracious and

899
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 12: more than, that more than, that what About?

900
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 6: Google what about Those google searches for get?

901
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 12: This Daily google searches For Gavin newsom up like a.

902
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 6: Rocket what are we talking?

903
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 12: About Since june, one up thirteen hundred percent compared To

904
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 12: august first look at, that up five hundred. Percent so

905
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 12: the bottom line, is in, politics especially if you're thinking

906
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 12: of entering in twenty twenty, eight it's all about generating.

907
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 12: Attention and so Far Gavin newsom has done a good

908
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 12: job at generating.

909
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 3: Attention and you, know the one THING i want to

910
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 3: mention BE fourteena for you guys to year reaction is,

911
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 3: like you, know seeing how quote unquote almost like unhinged

912
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 3: some of The Gavin Newsom Press office memory has. Become

913
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 3: it makes other people that we think of in twenty

914
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: twenty eight look downright like, Timid like it MAKES aoc

915
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 3: look like humble and timid and, reserved and it's it's almost, like,

916
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 3: oh LIKE aoc would need to like really crank up

917
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: her rhetoric in.

918
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 6: A way that it's like almost we've been told people Like.

919
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 3: Kurt should tone down their, rhetoric but it seems like

920
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 3: almost the opposite s here With.

921
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 6: Newsom what do y'all make of?

922
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 4: That oh, WELL i just was like it's.

923
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 5: GOING i actually ran This republican strategist AND i was,

924
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 5: like this is you, KNOW i think The newsom posts

925
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 5: have gone from The Alec baldwin impression Of trump to

926
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 5: The Shane gillis impression Of. Trump so that's. Something His

927
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 5: Cracker bill post was genuinely pretty. Artful but all that

928
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 5: is to, say it's great right now for. Fundraising AND

929
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 5: i sent it to A republican strategist friend who is like,

930
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 5: no BECAUSE i was.

931
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 4: Kind of like.

932
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 5: SKEPTICAL i was, like this is BASICALLY i sent him

933
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 5: this playbook article that was drooling Over Gavin newsom a

934
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 5: couple of days ago about how he was like the

935
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 5: great hope of The Democratic, party AND i was, like

936
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 5: this is so. Stupid and the PERSON i sent it,

937
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 5: to The republican, strategist is, like, actually, no this is

938
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 5: what you need to do if you're positioning yourself for a,

939
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 5: primary because it's name, recognition It's google, searches it's, donors

940
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 5: and it's particularly. Donors and so if you can build

941
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 5: up goodwill With democratic voters who then recognize your name

942
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 5: and then the donor class starts throwing money at, you

943
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 5: you make connections that are helpful in a primary and

944
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 5: you come in with a little bit of a war

945
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 5: chest and so, yes to that, extent IT'S i think

946
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 5: it is. Successful like all of that, Great but what

947
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 5: does it mean that he like he's. Doing he picked

948
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 5: a redistricting, fight WHICH i mean is talking about like

949
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 5: this is raw, power but it's not something that is

950
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 5: actually fundamentally attacking the system, itself as we were just,

951
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 5: discussing AND i Think Gavin newsom is in for a

952
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 5: rude awakening if a year and a half from hour,

953
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 5: whatever we're talking primary, time and he's out In, Iowa

954
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 5: New hampshire talking about redistricting and not the oligarchy that

955
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 5: has metastasized in his own state because of the rocket

956
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 5: fuel that he's poured on. It so, YEAH i mean

957
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 5: it's working in a political, sense BUT i don't know

958
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 5: that it's working in a sort of deeper.

959
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 7: Sense, YEAH i don't think you're going to Get Gavin

960
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 7: newsom talking about the millionaires and the. Billionaires BUT i

961
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 7: Think democratic primary voters will will take whoever they think

962
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 7: is going to win like they're they're exist and it's

963
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 7: existential to. Them and so if they think that Even

964
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 7: neuwsom is a fighter Against, republicans you know that he

965
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 7: can take On he can make fun Of vance And

966
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 7: DeSantis And Marco rubio and And trump. Himself if he

967
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 7: figures out some way to fake run for another, term

968
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 7: then then that's going to be enough to get through the.

969
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 7: Primary so, YEAH i agree with The republican. Strategies like his,

970
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 7: goal he's. Not his goal right now is not to

971
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 7: win the general. Election his goal is to, win be the,

972
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 7: nominee and then once you're the. Nomineet you've got a

973
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 7: coin toss chance of being. President, yeah, okay very.

974
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 3: Interesting, WELL i wanted to get to this before we

975
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 3: get to our second pay one. Half wanted to make

976
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: sure we talked a little about. This there has been

977
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 3: a new reporting from The Israeli army database suggesting at

978
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 3: least eighty three percent of The gaza dead were. Civilians

979
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: classified intelligence From may Reveals israel believed it had killed

980
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 3: nine hundred militants In, gaza indicating a proportion of civilian

981
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 3: slaughter with few parallels in modern. Warfare, Now, ryan, LIKE

982
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 3: i know you have looked into these numbers, more AND

983
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: i guess my first question is, like, hey this is

984
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 3: just from The Israeli army, database which they've admitted on.

985
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 3: AIR i, Mean i've seen them admit it like multiple

986
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 3: times On Pierce morgan and on other sites that they're

987
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 3: not exactly sure like and they're not always tracking the

988
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 3: amount of. Death and there's also, been you, know FROM

989
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 3: i think the view of our, show probably an undercount

990
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 3: on the amount of deaths because there's still so many

991
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 3: people buried under rebel and stuff like.

992
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 6: That so what is what does all of that add into?

993
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 6: This already very bleak.

994
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 7: Calculation and so you've All, abraham one of the authors

995
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 7: of this of This guardian nine seventy two, piece you, know,

996
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 7: says you, know has has said publicly and says the

997
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 7: piece that that it is their assessment that this is

998
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 7: a that even this is a significant, undercount that the

999
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 7: number is probably over ninety percent civilians rather than eighty three.

1000
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 7: Percent because, effectively what THE idf does is anybody who's

1001
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 7: a fighting age and is a, male and they define

1002
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 7: fighting age extraordinarily liberally like sixteen ish to basically you,

1003
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 7: know well into your sixties if not. Higher if you

1004
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 7: if they kill, you then they'll put you in this

1005
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 7: probably at minimum they'll put you in is probably a militant,

1006
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 7: category which which they included in this. Thing so, basically

1007
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 7: any any man who's over like, sixteen who they, kill you,

1008
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 7: know they're they're putting into this, calculation even given that

1009
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 7: they're only getting to, this you, know seventeen percent. Figure,

1010
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 7: now The israeli pr response to this, Was, okay these

1011
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 7: are people we've identified as. Terrorists well it's not totally.

1012
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 7: Accurate you've identified them as potentially being, that which sometimes

1013
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 7: your identification just goes on the fact that they're a

1014
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 7: male like on Us Al, shreef like he would be

1015
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 7: factored into.

1016
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 8: This most of the journalists that they've.

1017
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 7: Killed they would be they would they would be included

1018
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 7: in this militant, figure even though that's even though that's.

1019
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 7: False they're, saying you, know if people pop out of

1020
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 7: a tunnel and we shoot, them like we don't know their,

1021
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 7: name but you, know we know that they're a, combatant

1022
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 7: so that that should count as a. Combatant problem there

1023
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 7: is that while they don't know their, Name ministry Of

1024
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 7: health eventually gets their name when that person goes to

1025
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 7: the morgue or the, hospital and then they get included

1026
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 7: on the the paperwork that they put out every, day

1027
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 7: and then THE idf sees that name and, says, oh

1028
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 7: that's twenty year old. Male we're counting. Them whether we

1029
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 7: know anything about them or, not we're counting. Them, so, uh,

1030
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 7: basically from all of the research that we've, done what

1031
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 7: we could tell is that they are they are counting

1032
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 7: every single remotely fighting age male as a combatant and

1033
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 7: then doing their calculations from there and still winding up

1034
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 7: at genocidal levels of, slaughter.

1035
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 3: Which is, like you, know we've been told for the

1036
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 3: last two years it's the greatest military ratio ever done

1037
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: by a modern name, army.

1038
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 8: Although they barely say that.

1039
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 7: Anymore if you've, noticed, right, yeah then they the most

1040
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 7: moral alarming in the. World they've basically dropped that. Line

1041
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 7: you almost never hear that. Anymore but grimam for you

1042
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 7: AND i this is you know it to, me it's

1043
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 7: personal because it's like nobody's standing up for a civilian

1044
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 7: Men like you, know if if we're In gaza and

1045
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 7: we go to a try to fill up buckets of

1046
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 7: water and bring them back to the family and we're

1047
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 7: killed along the, way we would get listed as combatants

1048
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 7: just because just because we're. Men, yeah and anybody knows

1049
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 7: me knows that that would be. False no fighting going on.

1050
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 4: Here let's you're at a.

1051
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 8: Bar let's at a bar.

1052
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 6: Yourself that's.

1053
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 8: Different it's a real.

1054
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 4: Story you can google.

1055
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 5: It this is one of the things that is going

1056
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 5: to we all know, this but one of the things

1057
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 5: that's going to be is going to probably age the most,

1058
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 5: poorly is the number. Conversation, yeah like, that and it

1059
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 5: is becoming clearer and clear and, actually you, know coming

1060
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 5: from the, RIGHT I i fully understand people's. SKEPTICISM i get, it,

1061
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 5: fine but at this point there's just so much.

1062
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 13: Evidence, yeah it's also like frustrating because it's, like you,

1063
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 13: know the the last two years have been spent talking

1064
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 13: about the protesters not understanding overblowing it.

1065
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 6: And i'm, sorry Like i'm not a fucking war. EXPERT

1066
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 6: i don't know any of this.

1067
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 3: Stuff but when you see like the amount of destruction

1068
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 3: and they tell you it's only this many, people it's,

1069
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: Like i'm, sorry like that's that's absolutely. Ridiculous and, so,

1070
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: yes it turns out the protesters were. Right they're killing

1071
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: basically everyone they can. See AND i doubt that many

1072
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 3: people are going to have to ever own up to

1073
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 3: that fact because they're JUST i, mean then the lieu of,

1074
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 3: news everyone's just gonna kind of pretend like they weren't

1075
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: denying that for two.

1076
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 7: Years and, Meanwhile I'll i'll put this one. Up so

1077
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 7: this is THE bbc about us is really friendly and outlet.

1078
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 7: Us you're going to get and the headline here famine

1079
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 7: confirmed In gaza for first time you went back. Report

1080
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 7: so to get an official designation of a famine takes

1081
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 7: an extraordinary amount of. Evidence and so while people have

1082
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 7: been colloquially using the phrase, famine you, know for at

1083
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 7: least several, weeks maybe dating back to Like april Or.

1084
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 7: April may you, know it Was march When israel cut

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Speaker 7: Off march second When israel cut off all food and

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Speaker 7: then kept it cut off for two months and then

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Speaker 7: let in a trickle after. That so people have been

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Speaker 7: throwing around the term famine colloquially since.

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Speaker 6: Then but now.

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Speaker 8: They've designated As i'll just read.

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Speaker 7: This The Integrated Food Security Phase classification I, pc which

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Speaker 7: is used by governments and international bodies to identify hunger

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Speaker 7: levels around the, world has raised its classific classification To phase,

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Speaker 7: five the highest and most. Severe it says over half

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Speaker 7: a million people across the as the strip or facing

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Speaker 7: catastrophic conditions characterized by, starvation, DESTITUTION uh and death and

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Speaker 7: it and it goes on elsewhere to say that even

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Speaker 7: a matter of days that go by without immediate surging

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Speaker 7: of nutritional support and medical support will, lead you, know

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Speaker 7: to irreversible damage for you, know as they're, saying five

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Speaker 7: hundred thousand people at like immediate risk and so this is,

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Speaker 7: uh this is the step that people were hoping would

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Speaker 7: not be reached because because it's such a high bar

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Speaker 7: to clear kind of logistically and bureaucratically for the I

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Speaker 7: pc to actually come out and say that we're at phase,

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Speaker 7: five that it's reflective, of you, know.

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Speaker 8: Just an utterly extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: Situation, yeah and you, said you, know they're not using

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Speaker 3: the they're not really debating the numbers as much. Anymore

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Speaker 3: on The israeli spokespeople are mentioning that they are a

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Speaker 6: Anymore so Certain.

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Speaker 3: American media influencers have sort of, said don't, worry we'll

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Speaker 3: take up the we'll take up the. Mantle we'll handle

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Speaker 3: it all from. Here people like The Free press still

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Speaker 3: going on doing these insane, articles like this Woman Olivia,

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Speaker 3: ryangold who is complaining that her article is saying there's

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Speaker 3: no starvation In. Gaza now she's losing childhood friends because of,

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Speaker 3: it and she's the real victim.

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Speaker 6: Here and we're going to go to the second half.

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Speaker 3: Now but we do have SOME i want to bring

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Speaker 3: up some Conservative american influencers have been sent To gaza

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Speaker 3: to prove that starvation is not.

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