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Speaker 1: Oh suddenly, breaking news. Suddenly, Kevin Stefanski, John Harbaugh have

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Speaker 1: real leverage and the teams do not. We are live.

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Speaker 1: We're in Los Angeles. It is the Herd. Wherever you

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Speaker 1: may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making

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Speaker 1: us part of the day. Tom Brady one hour from

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Speaker 1: now go, one hour from now stop spot So this

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Speaker 1: broke thirty minutes ago. The Dolphins, little bit of a surprise,

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Speaker 1: have fired Mike McDaniel, their head coach. I don't blame

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Speaker 1: him for all the Miami losses. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: the ultimate culture changer. I think he's a smart guy.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a scheme guy. I don't think he's

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Speaker 1: a culture guy. I don't think he's really an NFL

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Speaker 1: head coach. I think he's a brilliant coordinator. Dolphins owner

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Speaker 1: Stephen Ross met with him this week and just didn't

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Speaker 1: feel right rolling it back. Also a story this morning

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins owner Stephen Ross has a connection to the

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Speaker 1: Harball family. Oh, the coveted New York Giants job, which

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Speaker 1: we said yesterday was the second best job to Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: is it now third? Baltimore is the best job open

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Speaker 1: currently open. It's the best job, Lamar Jackson, great roster,

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Speaker 1: amazing culture.

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Speaker 3: That's the best job.

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Speaker 1: I said yesterday, Giants second best job. I'm bullish on

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Speaker 1: the Giants for a lot of reasons, Jackson, Dart neighbors,

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Speaker 1: and Thomas Skataboo Abdul Carter, a lot of reasons. But

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Speaker 1: Miami probably now what I'm hearing, gives control to John

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh to choose the GM and the Giants. They retained

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Speaker 1: Joe Shane in the league not considered elite. So suddenly

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Speaker 1: the coveted New York Giant job yesterday is at best

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Speaker 1: third to a guy like John Harbaugh. And we said

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Speaker 1: this yesterday. The Giants don't need another coordinator and roll

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Speaker 1: the dice on it. They don't even need necessarily a

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Speaker 1: scheme guy. They need a culture changer. They haven't had

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Speaker 1: a good culture since Tom Coughlin. So Baltimore could use

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Speaker 1: a scheme guy because they have a great culture. Stefanski'd

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Speaker 1: be great in Baltimore. So and remember John Harbaugh knowing

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Speaker 1: Miami connection. The Giants are interested, though they haven't talked.

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Speaker 1: I would guess if I was John Harbaugh or his agent,

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Speaker 1: I'd wait and see what happens Buffalo against Jacksonville this weekend,

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Speaker 1: because if Buffalo loses, I have to believe maybe how

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Speaker 1: they lose, But if they lose, Josh Allen's looking for

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Speaker 1: a coach with a great left tackle, with a great

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Speaker 1: running back, with a superstar quarterback, that's pretty good. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty good. So then if Buffalo loses the New York

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Speaker 1: Giants job, in my opinions, second most coveted job yesterday

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Speaker 1: is now four, you'd have Buffalo would be number one,

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Speaker 1: Baltimore would be number two. If Harbaugh can choose his

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Speaker 1: GM suddenly. Now Miami is three and the Giants are

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Speaker 1: at best four. Well, folks, there are never four great

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Speaker 1: coaching candidates. Then you get into coordinators. Right now, you

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Speaker 1: have two great candidates. John Harbaugh the best culture changer

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Speaker 1: on the market, just like his brother was a couple of.

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Speaker 3: Years ago, like vrabel was.

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Speaker 1: And Stefanski I think can do the culture thing, but

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Speaker 1: he's really no Schematically, he is a very very smart guy.

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Speaker 1: You could attach him to Lamar Jackson the culture and

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Speaker 1: the talent. The roster's already there. Ravens would be favored

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Speaker 1: to win their division. And the minute you hire Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 1: So there's an old saying, strike when the iron is hot.

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Speaker 1: If Jim horror Maaw can coach in SoCal, then John

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh can coach in South Miami Beach like they work

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Speaker 1: just fine. I know you think Harbaugh's cold weather. Nah,

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Speaker 1: Jim's doing just find in La. John would do just

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Speaker 1: News today McDaniel out connection Ross family and Harbaugh's. If

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Speaker 1: I'm the New York Giants, I probably jump on Kevin

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Speaker 1: Stefanski and offer him the job today. I would probably

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Speaker 3: I'm not waiting.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to play musical chairs and get left

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Speaker 1: without a chair with Harball because let's be honest, Buffalo

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Speaker 3: I'm not even mentioning Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Harball and his personality works in green Bay,

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Speaker 1: Jim or John, but that could be an attractive job

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Speaker 1: for Kevin Stefanski. So forget, just for a second, the

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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh piece. Stefanski, you have Jackson Dart, a lot

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Speaker 1: Dart probably draft a tight end. Wouldn't he be nice

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Speaker 1: Green Bay, Buffalo, Baltimore, Miami? I mean, so Stefanski, Now,

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Speaker 1: I would love to be Kevin Stefanski's agent today.

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Speaker 3: He's got all the.

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Speaker 1: Leverage in the world. And if I'm the New York Giants,

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Speaker 1: I probably go out and I hire Stefanski and let

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Speaker 1: him build his staff, because remember, John Harbaugh is going

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Speaker 1: third richest owner, so Harbaugh is going to get his

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Speaker 1: pick of the letter in Miami on the staff. You

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Speaker 1: fourth best receiver coach, the fourth best offensive line coach.

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Speaker 1: If you hire Stefanski today, you get a jump on

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Speaker 1: hardball who's probably waiting for the weekend results. Don't let Stefanski,

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Speaker 1: you know. So it's the old Sean McVay interviewed with

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Speaker 1: the Rams. They wouldn't let him leave the building. They're like,

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Speaker 1: let this kid leave the building. So I think it's

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Speaker 1: very interesting that this Miami job could have screwed up

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants and the air thing. If you're Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: I mean New York and Miami. There's got to be

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Speaker 1: state tax. Very attractive to free agents. Miami is. Miami's

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Speaker 1: always one of those you can look at the Jets

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Speaker 1: and Giants and say, what a train wreck. The truth

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Speaker 1: is Miami doesn't bought them out much. Even though they

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Speaker 1: So Miami never feels like they bought him out. I

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Speaker 1: interesting that Miami just throw a wrench into the Giants.

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Speaker 3: You can listen.

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Speaker 1: It feels like everybody is scrambling for a homecoming date, right,

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Speaker 1: everybody's looking for a date here. And if I'm the

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Speaker 1: New York Giants very quickly after this weekend, if Buffalo

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Speaker 1: and Green Bay loss, how do you know? You don't

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Speaker 1: wake up on a Monday morning and you're the fifth

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Speaker 1: best job. But if you go and get us to

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Speaker 1: he starts building a staff, well then you're going to

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Speaker 1: get the best O line coach on the market, and

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Speaker 3: That's an advantage. Crazy all right.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a big awards guy in terms of like

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Speaker 1: I'm not really into that stuff. Like we all know

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Speaker 1: who's good and who isn't. But the Matt Stafford Drake

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Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think it's terribly close. You have

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Speaker 1: to consider schedules. Thirteen of fourteen New England wins, we're

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Speaker 1: against teams with losing records. The best team New England

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Speaker 1: played was Buffalo, and they don't have a good defense.

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Speaker 1: So Stafford beat the number one defense Houston, the number

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Speaker 1: two defense Seattle against the top ten defense Jacksonville. Stafford

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Speaker 1: and which is the top five defense, and San Francisco twice.

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Speaker 1: And I think we all admit remarkably, Solam made that

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Speaker 1: So you have to consider strength of schedule. Why because

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Speaker 1: So you you know, it's like the college football resume thing.

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Speaker 1: You have to consider strength of schedule. And it's not

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Speaker 1: that the Rams had a harder schedule. Here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: The Rams have the number one most difficult schedule of

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Speaker 1: all fourteen playoff teams, and the Patriots have the weakest

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Speaker 1: It's the weakest in twenty six years. And it's not

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Speaker 1: that the Rams have a tough schedule. It's the number

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Speaker 1: one toughest schedule of the fourteen remaining playoff teams. Stafford

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Speaker 1: had better numbers against much better competition. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: Stafford was taken ap courses to get his four point

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Speaker 1: Houston Seattle twice, Solid twice, Jacksonville, Philadelphia. If you look

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Speaker 1: Here's Sean mcvayh on Stafford.

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Speaker 3: I think Matthew's the MVP of the league. He played

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Speaker 3: that way. Wouldn't want anybody else leading the way.

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Speaker 1: Got a lot of respect for a bunch of people

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Speaker 1: in this league, but there's nobody I'd rather have being

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Speaker 3: His play speaks for itself.

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Speaker 1: Listen, Drake May, A little bit of it is the

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Speaker 1: shiny new object syndrome He's the new toy everybody, you know,

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Speaker 1: the new popular kid in school. I get it, Drake

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Speaker 1: May's fantastic, But you're talking about the easiest schedule in

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Speaker 1: twenty six years, and the best team they played really

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Speaker 1: isn't a great defensive team.

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Speaker 3: In Buffalo. That was the tough one. Sorry. I got

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Speaker 3: to go with Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: PFF, by the way, on all their metrics has Stafford

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Speaker 1: number one, and they lay list several he was, you know,

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Speaker 1: best on play action, best against playoff teams, best on this,

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Speaker 1: best on that. PFF knocks it down to data and

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Speaker 1: it's it's Stafford. Doesn't mean I don't think Drake May

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Speaker 1: is not going to win four of them.

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Speaker 3: J Mack.

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Speaker 1: This Miami Dolphin News is really really throwing a wrench

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Speaker 1: into what was perceived yesterday. The Giants was a very

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Speaker 1: coveted job. If the stories about Ross and the Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: connection are true, the Giants now are the third best

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Speaker 4: So that's a tough one. I don't know Harball well enough.

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Speaker 4: What does he want? Does he want to build something because.

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Speaker 3: All Harbaugh's want one thing. Control?

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Speaker 4: Well, he could he could, Jake, he could easily push

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Speaker 4: Joe Shane out in New York. Hey, I'll take the job,

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Speaker 4: but I ain't having him as my GM. Right, can't

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Speaker 4: pick your own GM. You could do that in Miami

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Speaker 4: because they don't have a GM. So then you're looking at, well,

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Speaker 4: where's a quicker path to victory you're gonna win in

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Speaker 4: facing Drake may Well?

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Speaker 1: You Josh will never know that. Did anybody know in

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Speaker 1: New England was going to be this good? Or Denver

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Speaker 1: If they win tonight, that are in the National Championship.

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Speaker 1: When revenue is great, even debt, you can live with it.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the NFL playoffs. Colin. Your

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Speaker 1: I like him. I think it's a weather advantage. Thirty

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Speaker 1: What happens though, when it's thirty miles an hour and

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Speaker 4: their full arsenal of receiver Jayden Reed, who missed a

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Speaker 4: lot of time with the collarbone. Watson's healthy now. And

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Speaker 4: I brought this up, so the Packers and Bears had

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Speaker 4: one of the earliest buys. Yes, the Packers had to

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Speaker 4: buy last week, all their guys sat. The Bears weren't

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Speaker 4: a battle till the final minutes against the Lions. I

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Speaker 4: just wonder if the Bears are a little worn down.

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to influence your pig.

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Speaker 3: No, listen, what a great season. I think it's a

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Speaker 3: very close game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying it's I like, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I like some of the I think it's going

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Speaker 1: to be a run game dominated team. I think Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson's going to create a lot of run. Caleb move,

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Speaker 1: Caleb run backs, run short tight end stuff. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be a very They're not throwing the ball down

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Speaker 1: the field. I think they're like Christian Watson is great.

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Speaker 1: Is he gonna matter in thirty mile an hour wins.

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Speaker 1: It's a good part of Land that plan in thirty

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Speaker 1: mile an hour wins. Yeah, he's their deep threat.

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Speaker 4: It gonna be a good game.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think it's gonna be. It's gonna be the

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Speaker 1: biggest game in Chicago.

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Speaker 3: In a long time.

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Speaker 4: To get field passes for this. Go down on the

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Speaker 4: field and check things out in.

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Speaker 1: The end house pass seventy two degrees.

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Speaker 3: I'll have a bowl of turkey chili sitting front.

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Speaker 4: No more enchiladas. A right, Let's go to the next game.

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Speaker 4: And that's uh oh, we're going to Josh Allen and

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Speaker 4: the Buffalo Bills are a big one. I mean the

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Speaker 4: ramifications here are massive. I didn't realize this. Josh Allen

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Speaker 4: is looking to avoid going zero to five on the

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Speaker 4: road in playoff games. Wow, and he's facing that tough

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Speaker 4: Jags defense. They are sneaky good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as some teams have found out. Here's Liam Cohen

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Speaker 4: talking about how they plan on defending Josh Allen.

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Speaker 7: Your rush plan has to be extremely dialed in. Your

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Speaker 7: spy game has to be dialed in if you're going

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Speaker 7: to do any of that stuff. Your zone coverage has

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Speaker 7: got to make sure that you're giving eyes obviously on

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Speaker 7: the quarterback at all times. And look, when you have

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Speaker 7: to account for the quarterback every play. You know, we

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Speaker 7: have it a luxury of that as well, in ways

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Speaker 7: where quarterback can take off on you. It's it's hard

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Speaker 7: to defend every blade of grass.

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Speaker 3: Boy, this is going to be good.

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Speaker 1: We have some you know what, man, you talk about

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Speaker 1: matchups Bears, Packers, perfect Niners, the brilliant coach and the

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Speaker 1: roster were concerned of against the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: Great roster and the coach. We're concerned of.

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Speaker 1: The two quarterbacks who aren't first rounders, Hurts and Purdy.

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Speaker 3: That Niners.

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Speaker 1: That Niner Eagle game is going to be maysed ont

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Speaker 1: a Fox playoff record. That that is going to get

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Speaker 1: a monster number.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I trust the Bills to win

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Speaker 4: this one, though, I don't. Is gonna be a good game?

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Speaker 4: Oh my, I want listen. You know I'm a Trevor

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Speaker 4: Lawrence guy. I've been a believer a lot of people

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Speaker 4: bailed on Trevor Lawrence. What has he done? Even was

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Speaker 4: he won?

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Speaker 1: Even the Drake May Justin Herbert meeting when Drake, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, you have two culture guys, two big strong quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: Drake May coming out of college. They said, oh, he'll

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Speaker 1: be His comp is Justin Herbert. Both teams don't have

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Speaker 1: you know, new England Chargers. Old lines are really average

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Speaker 1: these matchups.

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Speaker 4: Who needs Patrick Mahomes? Who needs bro We don't need

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Speaker 4: those guys.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 4: We got we got good new quarterbacks. Yeah enough Mahomes.

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Speaker 4: He had a good enough run. We don't need him back.

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Speaker 4: All right. Final story, Colin, let's go Justin Herbert, best

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Speaker 4: quarterback in the AFC West this season.

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Speaker 3: Member.

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Speaker 4: He's dealing with that fractured left hand suffered in Week thirteen,

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Speaker 4: but he did get the week eighteen rest and so

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Speaker 4: hopefully he's able to start taking more snaps under center.

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Speaker 4: He was doing that yesterday's practice, and here's Herbert talking

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Speaker 4: about the injury.

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Speaker 8: Not taking hits on it last week was probably pretty

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Speaker 8: helpful for it limited kind of the swelling and just

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Speaker 8: getting back to, you know, making sure that you've got

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Speaker 8: full strength, being able to.

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Speaker 3: Hold on to a football.

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Speaker 8: I would say that I was able to do most

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Speaker 8: everything out there.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 8: It took some snaps today, and you know, I think

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Speaker 8: it's the point where I'm able to take snaps during

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Speaker 8: the week, So I think that's helpful. But just making

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Speaker 8: sure I can go up on the ball. You know,

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Speaker 8: I have two hands on in the pocket, and you

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Speaker 8: know how important that is the quarterback. So I think

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Speaker 8: that's been good.

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Speaker 4: He's played through the injury. Well, we got some numbers

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Speaker 4: on him since the fracture, you know, sixty six percent completions,

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Speaker 4: seven touchdowns, four picks. He's been fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been remarkable considering his lack of pass protection.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, did you know that he'll probably be the second

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Speaker 4: best quarterback that the Patriots have seen this season after

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he will be Colin.

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Speaker 4: I looked this up. The unbelievable the schedule of the Patriots played.

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Speaker 4: They played seven quarterbacks who were either benched or they

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Speaker 4: were backups to begin with Shua who ended up getting

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Speaker 4: benched for Yours, Spencer Rattler, Dylan Gabriel, Justin Fields, Joe

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Speaker 4: Flacco who was a backup, the Brady Cook, the Jets,

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Speaker 4: when they were tanking and then quinn Ewers, who.

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Speaker 3: You know was a rookie vill it.

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Speaker 1: Listen, you have been on this game the minute the

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Speaker 1: line came out, and I you know what, generally I

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Speaker 1: stay away from your recommendation like burns of last week

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Speaker 1: at the Bengals.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, feels a rough one. But what are we doing?

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Speaker 4: Are you sticking Patriots here? A We're gonna wait for

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Speaker 4: the Blazer and what we have. If the number, I'm

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Speaker 4: waiting for the number tonight. If the number is three

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Speaker 4: and a half, you have to take the Chargers. It's

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Speaker 4: kind of a half for four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna be a cold weekend. Average O line,

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Speaker 1: great coaches. You know what this game looks like. It's

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Speaker 1: twenty three to twenty. That's what this game is sounds about.

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Speaker 1: So that the hook is everything in this bat everything.

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Speaker 4: By the way, the Chargers have one of the best

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Speaker 4: kickers in the league. Oh Cameron Dicker. Oh has a

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Speaker 4: huge weapon and I want to go back to for

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Speaker 4: Jacksonville Bills. That's also the Bills are working with the

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Speaker 4: practice squad kicker right now.

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Speaker 3: The Jags guy's sixty little.

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Speaker 4: He's automatic from like fifty eight sixty yards he had

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Speaker 4: from sixty seven last week, the kickers, special teams. It's important.

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Speaker 1: I've never been this excited for a wild card. Really, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. We don't have a Patriots dynasty or

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Speaker 1: Kansas any dynasty, meaning you don't.

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Speaker 4: Know what's gonna happen. Yeah, I have no idea what's

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Speaker 4: gonna happen. I'm still waiting to pin you down on

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Speaker 4: your two Super your Super Bowl teams, like are you

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Speaker 4: gonna go Seehawks, Bridcos and make you know? Because that's

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Speaker 4: the most fun. That's fun.

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Speaker 3: Fund's overrated. Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd line.

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Speaker 1: Right now, I've got a blazing three, So I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: put a college game in to get it to a

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Speaker 1: blazing four. And I'm just gonna keep waiting and waiting

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Speaker 1: because so tomorrow I've got three games I do like

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Speaker 1: to bet, and then and then there's a there's a

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Speaker 1: Friday college game that I feel very strongly about. Money's money,

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna take that game. And I've got to

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Speaker 1: find a fourth NFL playoff game I like. But this

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Speaker 1: is gonna be remarkable.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern not a Empacific.

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Speaker 4: Wild Card Weekend has two huge games on Fox Saturday,

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Speaker 4: MVP front runner Matthew Stafford leads the Rams against Bryce

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Speaker 4: Young and the Panthers. Then on Sunday, Jalen Hurts and

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Speaker 4: the defending champion Eagles take on Christian McCaffrey in the

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Speaker 4: forty nine Ers. It's wild Card Weekend powered by Verizon

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Speaker 4: Saturday and Sunday on Fox.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 1: At some point there will be data in all of

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Speaker 1: our lives that explain our personality. You know, if you'd

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Speaker 1: been fired six times or married five, I can probably

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Speaker 1: make certain assumptions about you psychologically or your personality. I

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Speaker 1: think Kyle Shanahan's an unbelievable coach. I think McVeigh is

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Speaker 1: the best coach in the league in his prime. Andy Reid,

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Speaker 1: we know he's great. You could make an argument Shanahan's two.

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Speaker 1: But there are two numbers with Shanahan that I think

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Speaker 1: speak to his personality, and the numbers are insane since

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Speaker 1: he's been with the forty nine ers. When the Niners

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Speaker 1: trail by seven plus points just at halftime, they're one

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Speaker 1: and twenty nine. That makes no damn sense, right when

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Speaker 1: they trailed by seven plus points in the fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: and they've had very good quarterback play, they're own thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: Those are like last in the leak? How would you

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Speaker 1: explain that? Like that's just not random for a coach

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Speaker 1: that good. What it speaks to is my only criticism

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Speaker 1: ever of Shanahan, which he's too tied to his playsheet.

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Speaker 3: He's not flexible.

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Speaker 1: Now his playsheet is second in my opinion, or maybe

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Speaker 1: first in the league. I think Andy Reid and shanahan

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Speaker 1: playsheet is as good as it gets, even better than

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Speaker 1: mcveig or Sean Payton, and so Shanahan becomes like the

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Speaker 1: anchor who never moves off the prompter or the actor

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Speaker 1: who doesn't move off the script. And you can be

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Speaker 1: great at both. But I do think those numbers are

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Speaker 1: so outrageous and so bizarre that it does speak to

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the Niner issue. They need to

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Speaker 1: take leads. They do not play well from behind. Buffalo

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Speaker 1: with Josh Allen plays great from behind because so much

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Speaker 1: of it is off script. McVeigh Stafford had been pretty good,

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Speaker 1: but Shanahan's been brutal, and so I just think it's

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Speaker 1: one of those things where there are certain personality quirks

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Speaker 1: people have, and I don't think Shanahan, Dad or son

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Speaker 1: are terribly flexible. And I mean, but you get the

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Speaker 1: upside to his play sheet, which, by the way, this

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Speaker 1: year he beat LA with no Jennings, no Kittle, mac

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Speaker 1: Jones and they head over four hundred yards against the

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Speaker 1: Rams defense. So the guy's an insane coach. But there

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Speaker 1: are certain numbers that don't make any sense. And when

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Speaker 1: you see that about a person, you're like, how many

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Speaker 1: times have they been?

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Speaker 4: By?

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Speaker 3: How many times have they been?

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Speaker 1: He's never won a game train it probably speaks to

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Speaker 1: inflexibility in hen City and in Shanahan's case. And for

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Speaker 1: the record, the Niners use the most motion of any

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Speaker 1: team in the league by a large gap, So they're

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Speaker 1: complete innovators. So you get all of his innovation, you

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Speaker 1: get all of his brain power, you get all of

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Speaker 1: his experience, you get the unbelievable play design and play sheet.

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Speaker 1: But if they trail by ten points at half to

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Speaker 1: Philadelphia and the Eagles have a great opening drive to

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Speaker 1: take a lead, you can rest assured they're in big trouble,

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Speaker 1: and that's not necessarily the case. I mean, go look

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Speaker 1: at Sean Payton and bow Nicks. They're great in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. Ben Johnson and Caleb better in the fourth

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Speaker 1: quarter than any quarter. So here's Vic Fangio facing Shanahan

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Speaker 1: this week, the Eagles defensive coordinator on the Niners offense.

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Speaker 9: It's all package together very nicely. They give you a

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Speaker 9: lot of good motions. Everything they do is with a purpose,

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Speaker 9: and they do a really good job of it. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: he operates it very well. McCaffrey's an elite back, got

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Speaker 9: a good group of receivers, you know, Kittle it tight end.

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Speaker 9: I mean, they had a run where they were just

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Speaker 9: offense in the league for like six seven weeks in

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Speaker 9: a row here of late.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but those numbers, you can put them on the

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Speaker 1: screen again.

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Speaker 3: They're crazy.

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Speaker 1: You're like what I mean, Andy Reid McVeigh, Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: other offensive innovators. They're great in the fourth quarter. Ben

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Speaker 1: Johnson's been unbelievable with Detroit and in Chicago. The Niners aren't.

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Speaker 1: Now you could also say this is it because Jimmy Garoppolo,

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones and Brock Purdy are not guys that can

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Speaker 1: just put an offense on their shoulders and carry him. Maybe,

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Speaker 1: but I do think there's a little bit of an

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Speaker 1: inflexibility to how Kyle coaches. It's the only knock. I

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Speaker 1: think there's an argument he's the second best coach in

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Speaker 1: the league. I think he's just an unbelievable coach. So

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Speaker 1: there's four. It's so interesting. There were fourteen quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs obviously this weekend. Twelve or first round guys

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, mid second Brock Purtty as a complete outlier

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Speaker 1: again with a great quarterback whisper Kyle Shanahan. And there's

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Speaker 1: just this there's a lot of different paths to becoming

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Speaker 1: an NFL star quarterback, but mostly got to be drafted

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Speaker 1: in the first round.

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Speaker 3: But it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I was looking this morning at all the quarterbacks and

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Speaker 1: it's not necessarily who's better. There are kind of two

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Speaker 1: styles of quarterbacks in the playoffs this weekend, and I

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Speaker 1: would say there are game changers. These are the guys

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Speaker 1: that may have a size advantage, an athletic ability, horsepower advantage,

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Speaker 1: and then there are guys I would call game planners.

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Speaker 1: They're more reliant on the game plan. If the play

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Speaker 1: breaks down, there's limitations. So I think it's split right

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Speaker 1: down the middle. I think seven guys have the ability

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Speaker 1: o line breakdown, miss block receiver falls. Got to add lib.

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Speaker 1: I say it's Josh Allen, On Herbert, Caleb, Darnold, love May,

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Speaker 1: and Lawrence all can take off and run very difficult

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Speaker 1: to play man to man coverage on those seven that

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Speaker 1: you turn your back to these guys, you're in trouble,

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Speaker 1: then I think they're the guys that are mostly I

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Speaker 1: would call game planners. And by the way, Stafford and

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Speaker 1: c J. Stroud, huge fans of both are game planners.

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Speaker 1: Whereas if the play breaks down you're using a backup

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Speaker 1: left tackle, your pass pro isn't as good. The running

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Speaker 1: game is off, they're a little bit more tied to

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Speaker 1: the game plan. And as much as I like c J. Stroud,

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Speaker 1: go look in the red zone, Houston's a really bad

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Speaker 1: red zone offense.

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Speaker 3: Why is that? Why would that be? CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud's one of the best pocket guys in the league

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Speaker 1: because he doesn't take off and run for touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: That's not what he does.

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Speaker 1: He's really his comp coming out was a more athletic

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Speaker 1: Jared goff. Somebody asked me the other day about Fernando

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Speaker 1: Mendoza's comp ice. That's a little bit of sea J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud.

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Speaker 1: He can move a little, but he's great in the pocket,

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Speaker 1: super accurate, tough guy, good arm strength, super accurate. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you had to give me a guy

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Speaker 1: in the league that, I think Mendoza looks a little

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Speaker 1: bit like it. C. J.

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Speaker 3: Stroud.

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Speaker 1: So game changers, game planners, and it's not a criticism,

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Speaker 1: but I do think Stafford, when Stafford gets in trouble,

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Speaker 1: the pass protection dips and he has to hurry throws,

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Speaker 1: and he can get a big, reckless and he's not

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Speaker 1: going to move out of the pocket. He can move

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Speaker 1: within the pocket, he's not moving out of the pocket.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady, top of Next Hour.

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Speaker 3: So and I know, Jay.

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Speaker 1: Mack, you're looking at Perty's saying what's going on? But

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Speaker 1: I do think his history says he has been mostly

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Speaker 1: reliant on Kittle playing and Trent Williams playing mostly in

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Speaker 1: his career.

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Speaker 4: Wait, are we talking about the running or the comebacks?

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Speaker 1: No, I just think it's not about you're taking the outcome.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is seven guys really are ability to

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Speaker 1: change the play in a half second, go get a

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Speaker 1: first out.

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Speaker 3: That's not Stafford's game. That's not C. J.

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Speaker 4: Stafford. Jalen Hurts is a really good scrambling quarterback, has

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Speaker 4: good I mean, strong running yards, rushing yards, rock perty,

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Speaker 4: also in the pocket, improvising Rice Young. You could argue

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Speaker 4: could just could belong in that category.

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Speaker 1: But Bryce isn't dominated enough physically, and Jalen Hurts of

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Speaker 1: the six worst halves of the year in the NFL. Offensively,

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Speaker 1: he's got like four of them. Yeah, and two of

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Speaker 1: them he didn't complete a pass. Yeah, so yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I it's I mean, obviously Stafford is one of the

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Speaker 1: top seven quarterbacks in the league. But I do think

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Speaker 1: there is an advantage to having Drake May and having

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert with average o' lines.

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Speaker 3: They can just move.

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Speaker 1: And remember that you and I were watching It was

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Speaker 1: about seven eight weeks ago. It was actually before he

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Speaker 1: banged his hand, and you and I had watched the

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Speaker 1: Chargers and I forget the teams they had beaten, like

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Speaker 1: Kansas City and it was ugly, and we watched at

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Speaker 1: the end of games that Herbert was just like, I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna pick up.

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Speaker 3: First out and they win the Eagles game, and he.

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Speaker 1: Was just like, I just got to pick up first

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Speaker 1: down back like seven. That's not a game that Matt

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Speaker 1: Safford would have had success if his offensive line was

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Speaker 1: that bad. And I've said this before, it is remarkable historically,

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Speaker 1: and I forget who wrote this earlier in the week,

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Speaker 1: no quarterback has ever won a playoff game with an

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Speaker 1: offensive line ranked as poorly as the Chargers.

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Speaker 4: A playoff game. Oh jeezuz, that's not good.

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Speaker 3: Never want a playoff game.

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Speaker 1: So to me, the remarkable thing about Herbert is the

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Speaker 1: fact they're eleven and six, how they lost Slater and

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Speaker 1: Alt months ago, and.

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Speaker 4: Minter's been excellent as a defensive coordinator. Let me go

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Speaker 4: back to that other stat you had on Shanahan and

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Speaker 4: the lack of comebacks. I'm wondering, does that change his

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Speaker 4: outlook on this game? Do you instill a lot of

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Speaker 4: coaches want to defer, we want the ball second half, right,

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Speaker 4: chance to double up? You get points late first half

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Speaker 4: and then get the ball second Do the Niners say,

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Speaker 4: we want the ball and we need to get an

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Speaker 4: early lead here. We need to go down the field,

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Speaker 4: get a lead and make Jalen Hurts at the ball

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Speaker 4: in the air.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: When you have a great game play designer and play caller,

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Speaker 1: take the ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, take the ball.

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Speaker 1: Get to I think I don't know what the number is,

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Speaker 1: but I think taking a lead in the NFL is

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Speaker 1: like a sixty three percent winner, or it's like it's

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Speaker 1: fifty eight. I mean it's it's absolutely an advantage. And

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Speaker 1: the Niners have shown you they're not a great come

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Speaker 1: from behind team.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Trent Williams is going to be the

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Speaker 4: most watched game on the injury report throughout the league

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Speaker 4: this week.

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Speaker 3: It's so good.

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Speaker 4: If they don't have in their in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's coming up blazing five tomorrow. I'm blazing four

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Speaker 1: maybe