1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time. 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: Time, luck and load. 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 3: So Michael Very Show is on the air. 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: They got a name for people like you, Hi. That 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: name is called recidivism, repeat on fender. Not a pretty name, 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: is it high? 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: No, sir, that's one bonehead name. But that ain't me anymore. 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: You're not just telling us what we want to hear, No, sir, 9 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: no way, because we just want to hear the truth. 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: Well, then I guess I am telling you what you 11 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: want to hear. 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: Boy, didn't we just tell you enough to do that? Yes, sir? 13 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 4: Okay, then we cannot keep our promises on medicare. We 14 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 4: simply must make the cuts some waste, fraud and abuse 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 4: in medicare so that the benefits and the premiums are untouched. 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 4: We owe it to our seniors, We owe it to 17 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 4: our country. 18 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 5: More word. 19 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: Is I you have duty to make? 20 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 6: Then you have to say that's you love. 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 5: Me, CUSU. 22 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 7: There is no question that there is an enormous amount 23 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 7: of waste and fraud and abuse in this government. There 24 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 7: is no question to my mind that Congress has not 25 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 7: been vigilant enough in rooting out that waste and fraud 26 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 7: to the tune of billions and billions of dollars. I 27 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 7: would simply say that while it is absolutely appropriate to 28 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 7: condemn the Congress, it is also important to note that 29 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 7: we have an administration in this city, in Washington, d 30 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 7: she THEE. And the function of an administration is to. 31 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 8: Administer, and that means that when there is waste and fraud, 32 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 8: you have an administration who should also be on top 33 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 8: of that situation. 34 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 9: If we're going to eliminate the waste brought and abuse 35 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 9: in medicare, it does mean we're going to cut. 36 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: Some of that out. 37 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 9: And when I hear my friend Dave Camp say you 38 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 9: cannot cut money out of medicare, well, we don't want 39 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 9: to cut the good stuff that you point out one 40 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 9: third of Medicare doesn't go to patient care. You can't 41 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 9: just get up there and say we don't want to 42 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 9: cut anything out of medicare. We want to cut the 43 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 9: bad stuff and keep the good stuff. 44 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 1: Is all. 45 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 5: You do. So then you word. 46 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 6: Say that's you love me, because I. 47 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 5: Ra heard was. 48 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: Born than ward show. 49 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 6: You that's your love for me with If not, then 50 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 6: you can make things new just passing. 51 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 5: You loud live. 52 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: It was on this day in nineteen eighty nine an 53 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 3: explosion at the Houston Chemical Complex in Pasadena registered a 54 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 3: three point five on the Richter magnitude scale, killing twenty 55 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 3: three and injuring three hundred fourteen. I'll bet you there 56 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 3: are more than a few people in our listening audience 57 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: today who had something to do with that. Probably somebody 58 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: who lost a loved one, somebody who lived nearby there, 59 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: somebody who investigated the scene. I'll bet you there are 60 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 3: some connections to that event on this day. In two 61 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 3: thousand and one, Apple introduced the iPod, an MP three 62 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: player that can hold about one thousand songs, making digital 63 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 3: music portable. It's hard for young people today to imagine 64 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: the ability to carry your music with you wherever you 65 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: go and play it whenever you want it. That was 66 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 3: groundbreaking at that time. Users would fill their devices with 67 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: songs that they ripped from their CD collections or downloaded 68 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: from and this was also another new thing file sharing 69 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 3: sites like Napster. It's a great there's a great movie 70 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 3: on the whole founding of Napster and the battleover control 71 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: of music and how fans do don't feel like they 72 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 3: should have to pay for it. It's the whole concept 73 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: very interesting to me. It was on this day in 74 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: nineteen fifty four, earlier than most people recall or would 75 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 3: expect that Elvis Presley still called Elvis Presley at that point. 76 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 3: Of course, he wasn't called Elvis Presley by many people, 77 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 3: wasn't called any by many people, wasn't famous yet. His 78 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: second single on Sun Records, Blue Moon of Kentucky, breaks 79 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 3: out in Nashville and oddly New Orleans, becoming his first 80 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 3: chart hit outside of his native Memphis. And the rest, 81 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: as they say, is history. My good friend Paul Baker, 82 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 3: my private investigator and dear friend, probably has a good 83 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 3: story about Blue Moon of Kentucky. I happen to really 84 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 3: like that song, and today is the day's seventy one 85 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: years ago that it broke out. 86 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 10: Moon Blue Moon, bo Moon, keep shining bright, Blue, keep 87 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 10: phone shining the bright chickens and Britton bit back will 88 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 10: come up to me with the night Blue Moon keep 89 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 10: shining bright. 90 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: I said, I've got don't head to keep on shining 91 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: shine on. That's going out and let me blue. I said, 92 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep on shining shine on the mon and 93 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: going let me blue. The other head was on. 94 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 5: One light lie sty shineing Bros. Whez broad Hide. 95 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: By Blue Moon. I keep on shining, shine on in 96 00:07:51,360 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: the morn. That's going out. Let me blosi, I don't. 97 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 11: Four out of five people surveyed said listening to the 98 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 11: Michael Berry Show podcast improved their love life. 99 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: The fifth person didn't deserve one anyway. 100 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: The concept of fairness is baked into America's patriotism. Our 101 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: legacy are our heritage. And yet there are people who 102 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: will constantly reference fairness and equality who are, in fact 103 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: the exact opposite of that in everything they do. These 104 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: people are a menace to this coin. And these people 105 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: will say that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy 106 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: as they themselves are engaging in vote rigging, cheating, using 107 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: the Justice Department to attack their political enemies, taking bribes. 108 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 3: It just goes on and on and on, and Rush 109 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 3: was right, whatever they accuse you of, that is what 110 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:37,599 Speaker 3: they're doing. So now appears before us a case in 111 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court to address the wrongs of the Voting 112 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: Rights Act, which created a scenario where states were gerrymandering 113 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 3: their districts based on race. And that's why you ended 114 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 3: up with congressional districts with a black congressman. And when 115 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: that congressman stepped down or dies. The immediate thought is, well, 116 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 3: it would be another black congressman. It has to be. 117 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: It's a black district, which is an odd thing if 118 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: you think about a district stretching a long distance, as 119 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 3: we have seen happen where you know, pick any state 120 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 3: you want, but let's say you pick Texas and you 121 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 3: were to clump into one district people who Texas, like 122 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: many states, different regions that there are cultural and economic 123 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 3: differences that are drastic. They are fellow Americans, they serve 124 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: in the same military, they salute the same flag, but 125 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: they have very different interests in Congress, and the idea 126 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 3: of a representative body of four hundred and thirty five 127 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 3: people was to represent those, whether they be farming interests 128 00:10:55,160 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 3: or commercial interest big city or small city, seaport cities 129 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 3: or interior cities. And that's the concept. We believe that 130 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: in that representation, out of that would come representation that 131 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 3: would yield the fairest system for all. 132 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: Right. 133 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 3: Not everybody's going to be happy, we understand that, but 134 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 3: there will be a sense of fairness. And yet the 135 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 3: Voting Rights Act, as we see this happen again and 136 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 3: again and again. Notice this. The Voting Rights Act was 137 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 3: supposedly designed to address the or re address the problems 138 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: that had occurred with Jim Crow, the problems of or 139 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 3: poll taxes or number of different laws, poll taxes being 140 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: one of those which made it difficult for people to 141 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 3: vote who were black. That did happen, there is no 142 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,839 Speaker 3: doubt about that. But the fact that that happened does 143 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: not mean that in twenty twenty five we should punish 144 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 3: people by creating districts based on race. It's not good 145 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: for anyone. It's an American. The fact that that happened 146 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: once does not mean we should allow it to happen 147 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 3: in reverse today, which is exactly what is happening. So 148 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 3: before the Supreme Court, here are the arguments of NAACP, 149 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: that's the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, 150 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 3: Attorney Jani Nelson. 151 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 11: And in the state of Louisiana. That analysis was conducted 152 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 11: in the Narrin case, and it was clear that regardless 153 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 11: of party, white Democrats were not voting for black candidates, 154 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 11: whether they were Democrats or not. And we know that 155 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 11: there is such a significant chasm between how black and 156 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 11: white voters vote in Louisiana that there's no question that 157 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 11: even if there is some correlation between race and party, 158 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 11: that race is the driving factor. 159 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 3: Listen very carefully to what she just said. We know 160 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 3: that white Democrats weren't voting for black Democrats. 161 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 12: How do you know that? 162 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 3: Or what is exhibit A in making that point? If 163 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 3: there are two black candidates running in the Democrat primary 164 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 3: and a white voter shows up and doesn't vote in 165 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 3: that particular race but votes in others, Okay, but what's 166 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 3: the harm. That's not what she's talking about. What we 167 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: all know she's talking about is a white voter goes 168 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 3: into the booth and there's a white Democrat on the 169 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: ballot and a black Democrat in the same race in 170 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 3: a primary. She's saying, they're not voting for the black candidate. Well, 171 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 3: if they're not voting for the black candidate, they're voting 172 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 3: for the white candidate, right, a white voter voting for 173 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 3: a white candidate. So her answer as to how you 174 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 3: address this is for blacks who do the exact same 175 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 3: thing but in far higher percentages to be able to 176 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 3: do that, and you can't stop them. Two wrongs don't 177 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 3: make it right. This process has to end, and this 178 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: process is going to end. It's going to happen. But first, 179 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: let's let Justice Katanji Brown Jackson show her ass. Let's 180 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: let her demonstrate that. When she gets frustrated and wants 181 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: to make a point, she starts trying to use her words, 182 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: but they're not good ones. She's not a deep thinker, 183 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: because ironically, Katanji Brown Jackson is on the Supreme Court 184 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 3: not because she's brilliant or accomplished, but because she's black, 185 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: which is sort of what we're talking about here. There 186 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: are people who are capable of serving and serving well 187 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: who are black. Clarence Thomas, great example, but not her. 188 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 13: Listen to this against the backdrop of a world that 189 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 13: was generally not accessible to people with disabilities, and so 190 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 13: it was discriminatory in effect, because these folks were not 191 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 13: able to access these buildings, and it didn't matter whether 192 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 13: the person who built the building or the person who 193 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 13: owned the building intended for them to be exclusionary. 194 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:27,479 Speaker 1: That's irrelevant. 195 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 13: Congress said, the facilities have to be made equally open 196 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 13: to people with disabilities, if readily possible. I guess I 197 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 13: don't understand why that's not what's happening here. The idea 198 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 13: in Section two is that we are responding to current 199 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 13: day manifestations of past and present decisions that disadvantage minorities 200 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 13: and make it so that they don't have equal access 201 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 13: to the voting system. Right, they're disabled. 202 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: They're disabled. So if you're black, have you ever voted? 203 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 3: And if so, how did you manage? Did you need 204 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: special accommodations? Do you want this woman claiming you can't 205 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 3: vote because you're disabled. We'll talk to Professor Josh Blackman 206 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: about this case coming up. 207 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: I love Paul, I hadn't the time mastive dog two pounds. 208 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 8: His name Michael. 209 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: Berry Jerry mandrein the concept of drawing districts for political 210 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 3: offices in order to sort of predetermine a result. Is 211 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: it possible, you bet. Let's say you wanted to get 212 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: a great reaction to a touchdown by the Patriots when 213 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 3: they play the Jets, Well, then play the game in 214 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 3: Foxborough where the Patriots fans will be. Or if you 215 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 3: don't you want people to boo when there's a touchdown, 216 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: then play that same game at the Jets stadium, because 217 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 3: then you're going to have people that are predisposed towards 218 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: the Jets. Well, it turns out you can draw districts 219 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 3: based on race, for instance, where you can create Democrat 220 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 3: districts Republican districts. And that is what has happened and 221 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 3: that has ended up before the United States Supreme Court. 222 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 3: And for that we go to our expert, that is 223 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 3: Professor Josh Blackman, mister smarty pants of the South Texas 224 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 3: College of Law, where he is a professor to students 225 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 3: and well respected in the media world, in the political 226 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 3: world as an expert on all things Supreme Court. Professor, 227 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: this case that came before the Voting Rights Act. If 228 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 3: you could be my first year law student and I'll 229 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 3: be Professor Blackman, give me the facts of this case. 230 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: Right. 231 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 12: So this case arose from our friends next door in Louisiana, 232 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 12: and Louisiana legislature drew a map in which they tried 233 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 12: to create more safe Republican districts. Almost immediately there was 234 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 12: litigation which said that the votes of various African American 235 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 12: groups are being disenfranchised, and a federal court in Louisiana said, 236 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 12: you must draw what's basically a district of African American 237 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 12: majority that allows them to pick the candidate of their choice. Okay, 238 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 12: a couple of years later, some white voters in Louisiana 239 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 12: boro a lass. It's saying, wait a minute, this is racism, right, 240 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 12: You are diminishing our votes as white voters and giving 241 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 12: votes to others because of their race. So the question 242 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 12: is this, can the Voting Rights Act, the federal law 243 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 12: passed in the nineteen sixties, require the government to consider 244 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 12: race and basically give these districts to certain minority voters 245 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 12: at the expense of other voters who are not members 246 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 12: of that group. 247 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll ask some some very basic simples of vious 248 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: questions because you'll know the answer, and let's get it 249 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: all out there. But this has been done a long 250 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 3: time to redress past grievances of Jim Crow. 251 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 12: Right. And the argument is, the Voting Right Attack was 252 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 12: passed to, as you said, address long standing efforts in 253 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 12: redress access sid redress redress, to redress long standing grievances, 254 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 12: and long standing efforts to dilute the votes of African 255 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 12: American voters. The argument now is it's not nineteen sixty four, 256 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 12: it's not nineteen eighty four, it's not two thousand and four, 257 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 12: it's twenty twenty five. And the Supreme Court has said 258 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 12: a lot of things that raised. For example, they said 259 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 12: a couple of years so you can't have affirmative action. 260 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 12: You can't judge people based on their skin color. I mean, 261 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 12: one of the weird parts of this case, Michael, is 262 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 12: it presumes people who look alike vote alike. I presumes 263 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 12: that people who have the same racial identity will always 264 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 12: vote for the same candidates, which are invariably Democrats. So 265 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 12: it's sort of this very weird racial stereotype which the 266 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 12: law requires. And we arguer, now, is itself is unconstitutional. 267 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 3: Well, let me first say that the only reason I 268 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 3: brought up the issue of redress is it was a 269 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 3: jeopardy topic a couple of weeks ago, and under the 270 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 3: heading of double meanings, it was to apply your clothes 271 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 3: a second time, or to fix a past problem, and 272 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 3: it was redressed, and I got it, and I was 273 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: so excited, so I needed to use it with you. 274 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: You're one of the few figure that I could say 275 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 3: redress or redoubt and you know you wouldn't even flinch. 276 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 3: But here is the problem, Professor, there is the law 277 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: which is blind, or we hope it is. You know, 278 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: the famous sculpture of Lady Justice and that's nice, but 279 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 3: we know that it is actually true. Blacks do in 280 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 3: every study typically other than when Trump is the presidential candidate, 281 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 3: and it's still overwhelming, Blacks do typically well over ninety 282 00:20:54,720 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 3: percent vote Democrat. So in reality, if you clump a 283 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 3: bunch of black you clump a district full of blacks, 284 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: and you draw it so that you only have blacks 285 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: in there, you're going Historically at least you've been able 286 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 3: to elect Democrats out of that. I mean, how do 287 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 3: we address that? 288 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 12: Well, I think that's exactly the problem. It only goes 289 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 12: to benefit of one political party, of the Democratic Party. 290 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 12: If you're a Republican Illinois, Republican New York. There's no 291 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 12: way court saying hey they're diluting my vote. It only 292 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 12: works one way. And I think what Louisiana say is 293 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 12: we're not trying to disenfranchise black people. We're trying to 294 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 12: have a Republican supermajority. And so up north in Illinois 295 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 12: they can make Democratic super majorities, but in Louisiana and 296 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 12: Mississippi and Alabama they're forced to give Democrat seats. I mean, Michael, 297 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 12: if you actually look at the numbers through what rules 298 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 12: the way we think they're going to rule. There are 299 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 12: twelve democratic districts in the country that just vanish. That 300 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 12: exists only by virtue of the Voting Rights Act. So 301 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 12: it's sort of this asymmetry of this unequalness between the 302 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 12: North and the South. You know, if you are a 303 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 12: white Democrat in West Virginia, in a solid Republican state, 304 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 12: you have no luck. But if you're a black Democrat 305 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 12: in Louisiana, we're also you're a political minority. You can 306 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 12: go to Quarrent de Manda District. So I think what 307 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 12: the School Court's going to say is the rules should 308 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 12: be the same nationwide. We shouldn't have the sort of 309 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 12: this carve out for Democrats in the South the Republicans 310 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 12: in the north. 311 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: Black well, and we did have a carve out, didn't we. 312 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 12: You know. 313 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 3: What comes to mind. I don't remember when it happened, 314 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 3: but I've studied it thoroughly is the eighteenth Congressional district 315 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: that was basically created for Barbara Jordan in Houston, which 316 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 3: included east of downtown probably where you're sitting right now, 317 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 3: which was downtown, and then east of downtown into black neighborhoods, 318 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 3: and it picked up a piece of downtown, which made 319 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 3: an interesting collaboration between white Democrats, many of whom would 320 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 3: become Republicans later, and Barbara Jordan, who was an acceptable 321 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: black candidate, not a rabble rouser, unlike Curtis Graves, the 322 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 3: candidate who against her, and he claimed that she was 323 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: an Auntie Tom because she was owned by the white 324 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: downtown interest. She went on to serve with great distinction, 325 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 3: and as you know, she was a keynote speaker at 326 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 3: the seventy six convention that nominated Carter and then again 327 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 3: in ninety two for Bill Clinton. So of black congressmen Democrats, 328 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 3: there is no Democrat black congressman who has served with 329 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 3: greater distinction than Barbara Jordan. There's no question about that. 330 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: But she was the beneficiary of a district created for 331 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: a black candidate in sort of compliance with the Voting 332 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 3: Rights Act. I think we can state that we could 333 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 3: stipulate that as fact. 334 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 12: You're on her, absolutely, yes. 335 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 3: So the point I got a little distracted because I 336 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 3: love the story of Barbara Jordan, but I got a 337 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: little distracted over the fact that the Voting Rights Act 338 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 3: did impose two systems. It said, you know what, Southerners 339 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 3: y'all are bad people. So we're going to make new 340 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 3: rules for y'all. We're going to impose these things upon 341 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 3: you because you've been bad in the past. And I 342 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: think that doesn't sit well. And I also think that 343 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 3: that's Unamerican. 344 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I think the lawyer for Louisianas has Ben Aginaga, 345 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 12: who's clerk right here in Houston for Judge Judgiedith Jones, 346 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 12: brilliant lawyer. He said, Look, we acknowledge the bad deeds 347 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 12: that were done in the past. We can outrun our history. 348 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 12: We can never get away from the sins of our ancestors. 349 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 12: And again, we are fifty years from the voting right 350 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 12: SAX sixty years. At some point we got to say 351 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 12: times have changed. The world's a different place. And Louisiana 352 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 12: legislature is not acting based on racial hatred. They're acting 353 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 12: based on trying to create a Republican supermajority in the legislature, 354 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,479 Speaker 12: which is what most states try to do. And if 355 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 12: you start from that premise, then there's no evidence there's 356 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 12: an intend to harm black voters. They're trying to harm 357 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 12: democratic voters who happen happened to be black. So what 358 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 12: I think the world do is. I was going to say, 359 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 12: let's go to have this business. The emaly is up north, 360 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 12: up North Italy can make their democratic supermajority in Louisiana 361 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 12: have a Republican superman and let the flakl chips fowld inmate. 362 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 3: The esteemed Professor Josh Blackman of South Texas College of 363 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: Law is our guest. 364 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: More with him, Joe, don't use that tone to me. 365 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: Not a joke. 366 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 9: That's sarcastic, contemptuous tone that means you know everything because 367 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 9: you're a man, and I know nothing because I'm a woman. 368 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: That is not a joke. 369 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: That is a natural fact. 370 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 5: The Michael Very Show. 371 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 3: Professor Josh Blackman aka mister smarty Pants of the South 372 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 3: Texas College of Law is our guest where he is 373 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 3: a professor and well respected. 374 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 12: You see him being recorded X News. 375 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: Did you mean to do that? 376 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 12: Oh, that's I'm sorry I did if I accident I 377 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 12: hit the thing on my phone was an I'm sorry 378 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 12: and I should tell you. Do you know my daughters 379 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 12: call me. They call me mister farty pants. 380 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: Oh I love that you call me. 381 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 12: You call me mister smarty pants. And my doors calling 382 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 12: mister forty. So that's I give I give you credit 383 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 12: for that. 384 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 3: I gotta tell you, I miss my kids being of 385 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: the age where you could say the word fart and 386 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 3: they would start laughing. You can make them laugh at anything. 387 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 12: At least in the world. It's a funny suit. They 388 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 12: love fart. Oh, I love it. And also, Michael, we 389 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 12: got another baby coming in December. We're very blessed, so 390 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 12: I love another We'll do another call. I'm changing my 391 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 12: baby's tifle to that one again. 392 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 3: Elon Musk will approve. 393 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 12: I have both replacements, right. 394 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: Professor Josh Blackman is our guest. So if this case 395 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 3: is ruled to strike down the Voting Rights application Voting 396 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 3: Rights Act application that creates this jerrymandering, the talk is 397 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 3: a flip. You know twelve districts that were jerrymandered to 398 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 3: be black Democrat seats. You know, Jasmine Crockett of course 399 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 3: being one of those, Al Green being one of those 400 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 3: that they would very likely lose their seats and that 401 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 3: would mean a flip to Republicans of twelve, which is 402 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 3: a net effect of twenty four. That's a pretty dramatic 403 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 3: change in the House of Representatives. I mean a dramatic 404 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 3: change instead of being neck and neck, which it is 405 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: now about fifty fifty. That would take effect immediately. And 406 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 3: what what am I not thinking through in terms of 407 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: the administrative logistical issues involved here in apply? 408 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 12: I don't know if it happens, I don't know how 409 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 12: quickly it can happen. So the Supreme Court will decide 410 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 12: this case in June of twenty twenty six. The internal 411 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 12: elections are November of twenty six I don't know if 412 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 12: you can get them all done that quickly. I think 413 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 12: realistically the primaries are happening now. You would definitely reducing 414 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 12: the primaries because you reach aroung the map. So I've 415 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 12: seen some essence thing that could be done. The Louisiana 416 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 12: Legislature is holding a special session like in July of 417 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 12: twenty sixth, So as soon as the three work decides 418 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 12: they're going to fix the maps. I don't know nationwide. 419 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 12: I mean, just one interesting thing, Michael about these maps 420 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 12: in order to sort of pack all the minority voters 421 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 12: in single district, that these maps that kind of stretch 422 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 12: like you know, like from Baton Rouge up to like Shreeveport. 423 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 12: It almost stretches in higher length of the state. People 424 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 12: who are completely dissimilar. They're not in any way similar 425 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 12: other than their race. It's just kind of this very 426 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 12: weird You know, what's a jerrymander? Use this word. It's 427 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 12: a fascinating word. It's this ancient word where someone drew 428 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 12: a map with a salamander, kind of the sneaking serpent. 429 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 12: Go to the state of Massachusetts. It was named after 430 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 12: a god named Elbert Garry, so they called it a 431 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 12: jerrymander or gary mander. It's just very weird way of 432 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 12: drawing maps can arouse since the time of the frame 433 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 12: of the Constitution. 434 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of my favorite words in political speak. 435 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 3: And it's a great story behind that. And like you, 436 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 3: I always if I'm giving a speech and a question 437 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 3: comes up with regard to how districts are drawn and 438 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 3: how politics is played, and how you talk about a 439 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 3: threat to democracy, it is anesthetical to prove a true 440 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 3: democratic republic because you're not representative in nature. You're now 441 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 3: jiggering with the process, which makes my opinion and mockery 442 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: of it. And so I always tell the story of 443 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 3: how jerry mandarin came to be, as you just did, 444 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 3: and how funny is it was actually pronounced Elbridge, Gary 445 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 3: as as it would happen. You expect that, you know, 446 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 3: if I forced you right now to tell me the ruling. 447 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: Is this a six three or a five four? 448 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 12: This one's sixty three. This one's not a hard one 449 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 12: to predict. Really, Yeah, some cases are hard. This one's 450 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 12: not hard. 451 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 3: And that's based on what you've heard them say so far. 452 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 12: Yeah, the argument has been about two and a half 453 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 12: hours and there's not a single doubt from the Conservatives, 454 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 12: you know, how they write the opinion. I'm not sure 455 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 12: there are different ways they can go. But Louisiana wins 456 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 12: this one. And I think again, it maybe twelve districts 457 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 12: that get redrawn. Maybe it's ten, maybe it's eight, maybe 458 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 12: it's six. Maybe the standard are different. And Michael, it's 459 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 12: not just it's not just congressional districts. You know. I 460 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 12: live in Spring Branch, is D. There's a voting right 461 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 12: challenge to our district and ISD. And if the case 462 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 12: goes its way, I think the voting district supremach id 463 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 12: stays the same. Those a judge was about to make 464 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 12: us have a lot large elections for our school board, right, 465 00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 12: I think that case probably goes away. 466 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, so so this would affect the at large. 467 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 12: And everything and districting races distinction. Yeah. 468 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: Wow, that I did not realize that was applicable to this. 469 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 3: That that is most interesting, professor, while we have you 470 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 3: have got about three minutes. Are there any other cases 471 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 3: out there brewing that that that they've granted rit for 472 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 3: that that you you think are are granted search for 473 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 3: that you think we should keep an eye on. 474 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 475 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 12: So the big one will be argued to is a 476 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 12: terroriff's case whether the president Trump's tariffs are lawful, whether 477 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 12: there's a power to issue them. This is one of 478 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 12: these cases who if the court rules of tariffs are 479 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 12: not legal and soror Trump is to repay the money. 480 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,719 Speaker 12: He's basically said, we don't have the money to give 481 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 12: back to these various companies foreign countries. We don't have 482 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 12: the money. So I'm not quite sure how to unwind 483 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 12: that one. That could be that could be of a mess. 484 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 12: Another big case on his birthright citizenship, which we argued 485 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 12: later this year. I think Trump's going to lose that one, 486 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 12: but maybe he knows that very big case bet the 487 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 12: person's power to fire people. Trump fired the missioner of 488 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 12: the Federal Trade Commission, which is so called independent agency. 489 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 12: And Trump's going to basically say these are all in constitutional. 490 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 12: You can't protect people in these independent agencies. I'm the president, 491 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 12: I controlled the executive branch. I feel to fire people. 492 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 12: So these are three huge cases like birthright, citizenship, tariffs, 493 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 12: present firing people plus right plus Voting Rights Act. This 494 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 12: is one of the biggest terms of my lifetime. 495 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: That is, you know, the problem is, I found myself, 496 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 3: like your students, in wrapped attention with what you're saying, 497 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 3: and then you just come to an abrupt stop. And 498 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 3: I wasn't. I didn't think about it ahead of a question. 499 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 3: I was actually paying attention, which very rare for me, 500 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 3: very rare. Indeed, I want to go back to the 501 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 3: Voting Rights Act case. Clarence Thomas, my favorite justice and 502 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 3: the second most important political writer thinker of our day, 503 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 3: the first being Thomas soul making the interesting scenario that 504 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 3: the two most influential thinkers of our day are both black, 505 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 3: and that is celebrated. Of course, it isn't because they're conservatives. 506 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 3: He had he had some things to say yesterday that 507 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 3: garnered a lot of attention. Your thoughts on how influential 508 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 3: that will be to the rest of the court. 509 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 12: Well, I think Justice Thomas has a certain you know, 510 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 12: progive he grew up in jim Crow South, he saw 511 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 12: in Georgia what the world was like, and you know, 512 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 12: he he rose up in the world. He married a 513 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 12: white woman. He doesn't thing that will be illegal when 514 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 12: he was born, right, and he's truly sort of risen 515 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 12: to the top of the legal thinking. I think Justice 516 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 12: Thomas will go further and say, as he said before, 517 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 12: that we need to get out of this business of 518 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 12: judging people based in their race, that these stereotypes. And 519 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 12: I mean you might be right that black voters lean 520 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 12: Democratic in high percentages, but to sort of pack them 521 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 12: in a district for the sole purpose of electing Democrats 522 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 12: is almost unconscionable. It's just just disgraceful the way that's done. 523 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 12: Who just basically, you know, pawns to vote a certain way. 524 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 12: Who cares if you know you're a farmer up by 525 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 12: Shreveport or your leer city widweller and baton Rougel this thing, right, 526 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 12: you all together. 527 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 3: You're first and foremost and at the end of the day, 528 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 3: essentially just black. It's treating blacks like pets. I've said 529 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 3: this all along as you said, I can say I 530 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 3: use the word pets or our livestock, I mean talk 531 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 3: about chattel. It's treating people as if they're not individual 532 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 3: human beings. It's as if they're nothing more than the 533 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 3: sum of their skin which. 534 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: They were born with. 535 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 3: And I think that is the most consulting thing ever. 536 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 12: Yeah, justin Thomas says, every person is born with a 537 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 12: dignity of his Lord and creator, and we're all individuals. 538 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 12: We should not be treated in the stereotype fashion as 539 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 12: just another part of a political machine. And I hope 540 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 12: this from court does the right thing and then frees 541 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 12: us from this regime. 542 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 3: You're about to make me quote one of the one 543 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 3: of my favorite lines from Thomas Jefferson and is on 544 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: the Jefferson memorial, but I'll spare you that because we're 545 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 3: out of time. Professor Josh Blackman, aka mister smarty Pants, 546 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 3: And today we find out another alias mister fardy Pants 547 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 3: to his kids, and congratulations on your forthcoming child. That 548 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 3: is a delightful news. So I'm glad to hear you. 549 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 3: I'm glad to break that here on the show and 550 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 3: We look forward to having you back again. Professor Josh Blackman, 551 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 3: South Texas College of Law, Supreme Court expert. 552 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 12: Thank you, Michael Capite