1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. Let's go. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 2: Let's go Giants. 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Get my Giants. Moubult, give me some jobs. Part of 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: the Giants podcast Network. 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 2: Let's Roll. Welcome to the Baldi's Breakdown edition of the 6 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, the official 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: bank of the Giants. I am John Schmelk the Roll 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: to welcome back in the Bald himself, Brian Bouldinger. What's up, dude, 9 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: I worry a long time. 10 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 3: Happy New Year to you man, Happy holidays, all that 11 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: kind of good stuff. Gonna be with you here today. 12 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: It's been a little while, but I'm glad we're back here. 13 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I agree. And well, I'm gonna ask you 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: the question that I got many times from callers on 15 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 2: our post game show on Sunday and from our Big 16 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: Book Golf Live callers on Monday. How did Giants do that? 17 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 2: And where's that been the last two months? 18 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 3: Well, you know it's the old it's actually you know 19 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 3: the old saying. John Debt players big plays. So Malik 20 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: Nighbors was unstoppable yesterday. Drew Locke had good protection for 21 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 3: the most part. Yesterday it gainst a good front, a 22 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 3: team I think the Colt Selective League in sacks last 23 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 3: year or in the Baltimore but they got good pass rushers, 24 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,639 Speaker 3: but they blocked him up front and drew solo field 25 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 3: really well. He kind of knew anticipated certain coverages and 26 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: knew where to go with the ball. So the other 27 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 3: contributed where it was Slaton on that touchdown because they 28 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: wanted to go to Lake Naples. What happened. So I 29 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: think it was players, big plays all, whether it's Tracy's 30 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: forty yard round or whether it's Windelle, you know, breaking 31 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: the tackle and going it was. That's that's what's been missing. 32 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: And just give me the player perspective ball the year 33 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: because obviously I've got a lot of fans complaining about 34 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: losing the first overall picking Again, who knows what's gonna 35 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: happen this week. Things can change. Giants are four now. 36 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: Who knows if the best player is even going to 37 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: go first overall in the draft of April. 38 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 3: We don't know the end. 39 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: We don't know if that's going to be the case either, right, 40 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 2: But nobody in the building, coaches, players give two You 41 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: know what's about that? These guys are playing for their 42 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: lives here, John, did you. 43 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: Did you see the reaction when Drew ran that five 44 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: yard spramble into the touchdown, It was like they just 45 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: want a playoff game. Yeah, I mean that's the feeling. 46 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: And you know, I mean, I know fans have their perspective. 47 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 3: I get that, John. Yeah, players hate losing. They hate it. 48 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 3: And when I don't care, when they can win, there's 49 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: still better feeling and you can go out there practice 50 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: and practice, and if you just keep losing, it's just 51 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 3: so it gets depressing, especially the holidays. You don't want 52 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: to see family, you don't want to see your friends. 53 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: To win a game like that yesterday and the winning 54 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 3: the fashion that they did and that was a complete 55 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: team after, Yeah. 56 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 2: It really was. So let'st our neighbors. You brought him 57 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 2: up already, Bowly, that's going to be the featured player 58 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: in your break in your breakdown, that's going up on 59 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 2: our YouTube channels and our social media platforms too. You know, 60 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: we were kind of waiting for this, right We got 61 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: to taste of this the first four games of the 62 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: year when I out the concussion, came back, still had 63 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: a lot of catches, still a lot of targets. You've 64 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: got a couple of contested catches down the field over 65 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks, but you didn't see the 66 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: run after the catch stuff really until this week where 67 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: he looked like that explosive guy gets the ball, he 68 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: gets to toss fed right away, strong enough to break tackles. 69 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: That finally showed up in weeks. What is that seventeen 70 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 2: against the Colts? 71 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, look to little hitch outside, you know, 72 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 3: and he just breaks two tackles, goes fifty nine yards John. 73 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: I mean, there's not many guys that do that in 74 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: this business like that. I mean, it's the Colts defense 75 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: got good players that the jump ball against Kenny Moore, 76 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: Like Kenny Moore is looking up at him and he's 77 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: like somewhere. I don't know what kind of hang time 78 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: he had on him, but we see an unbelievable eight time. 79 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: We see the finish uh Dick, unbelievably explosive first step 80 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: to separate, and then the strength just to break tackles 81 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: like he did throughout the game. 82 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Tyrone Tracy for the most part was 83 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: held in check. We did see the bit in the 84 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: one explosive run early in the game. And I'll get 85 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: to the run blocking in a second, but for only 86 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 2: the third rookie duo to go over one thousand scrimmage 87 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: yards with two guys in the history of the league, 88 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: which is a pretty good number. I really do think 89 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: the Giants have a running back in Tyrone and Tracy 90 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: that can be a starter for a long time. 91 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question, you know, because we 92 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: see it behind a juggled offensive line yesterday, Van Rotens 93 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: at center, you know. I mean, they've got you know, 94 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: Jake in the right guard. I mean, it seems like 95 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: they've had a lot of different, you know, combinations in there. 96 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: But the consistent factor is the explosive runs that that 97 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: Tyrone has done throughout the season, that the contact balance 98 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 3: that he has, the vision. I believe they've got themselves 99 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: a good starting running back for a while. 100 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: And it's funny you brought up the good pass protection. 101 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: I think for the most part this year, Baldy, the 102 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: story has been the run blocking has been pretty good 103 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: from the line, and the pass blocking, at least the 104 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: last few weeks, hasn't been quite as good. It kind 105 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: of flipped on its head in this game, right, And 106 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: I think you saw early in the run game from 107 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: this line. I think it was the second play of 108 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: the game. Kubas tries to pull around, he trips over 109 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: Van Roden's foot, cools down, and I think you saw 110 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: in the run game in this game how it does 111 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: take these lines time to build some mystery. And you 112 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: haven't had Gdr Greg Van Rowan Stinny and Kubas play together. 113 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: And I think that was pretty apparent throughout the game 114 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: that the stuff in the run game wasn't really together 115 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: because the chemistry in this group wasn't where I needed 116 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 2: to be. 117 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 3: You know, if any if any fan could ever just 118 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: go to the sidelines after series and listen to the 119 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: offensive line coach, look at the pictures and go, Okay, 120 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: how do we block the mike linebacker? We've blocked him 121 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 3: in practice on Wednesday and Thursday, but it's not where 122 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 3: he was on Wednesday and Thursday, Like we got to 123 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 3: are we gonna fold block this, We're gonna pull the tackle, 124 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,679 Speaker 3: We're gonna pull the guard. Like there's so many different 125 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 3: things that have to be adjusted during the game. I 126 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 3: don't care. I mean, I don't care. If you're the 127 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 3: Eagles and you know you're blocking for you know that 128 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: beast that they have. There's adjustments that have to be 129 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: made during the game, and if you haven't played next 130 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 3: to each other for any period of time, sometimes those 131 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 3: adjustments are are difficult to get made. 132 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: And I want to give Drew Lost some credit. He 133 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 2: played well. Now he soon again. You have the League 134 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: Neighbors catching two passes out shadow with five yards in 135 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: the air and he runs in eighty combined yards for 136 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 2: a touchdown. 137 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: That helps. 138 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: But that back shoulder throw of the League Neighbors that 139 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: he caught at the goal line was an unbelievable throw. 140 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: He put the ball where he needed to. I thought 141 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: his pocket presence in this game ball he's stepping up 142 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 2: and avoiding some of that outside Russia was very good. 143 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 2: He played his best game as a pro, maybe the 144 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: best game the Giants quarterback has played all year. 145 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 3: I don't think there's any question about it. You know, 146 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 3: they had a great game as a group up in 147 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 3: Seattle this year, being a pretty good team. But this 148 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: is the best quarterback play that we see. And you know, 149 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 3: people want to pick apart the Giants since all fair 150 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: game right now, John, But when your quarterback is converting 151 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: third dents the way they were converting third downs yesterday 152 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: and standing on the field. I mean it makes a difference. 153 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: You can get into your game plan, You could get 154 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 3: into plays that you've drawn up during the week to 155 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: attack certain things because you're still on the field and 156 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 3: your convert nose. And that's what Drew did. He did 157 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: a great job of converting. Some of them were third 158 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: in the lungs too, and where they really were able 159 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 3: to stay on the field. 160 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: Yesterday, Yeah, I thought one of the Robinson at his 161 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: best game of the year too, right, he had to 162 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: drop late, but then he made the diving catch to 163 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: play after the makeup for it. He had that little 164 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: hitch around the middle of the field for ten yards. 165 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 2: Then he broke three tackles, ran to thirty. I thought 166 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: he had a really really strong game, especially in some 167 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: of those third down situations. You were talking about the. 168 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 3: Third down to thirty eight yard run where I don't 169 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 3: know how many tackles he broke. He showed, you know, 170 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: real straight there. The block that he got in the lake. 171 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: Damer's fifty nine yard touchdown just to just to get 172 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,679 Speaker 3: his shoulder, just to get a little screen right there, 173 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: probably helped the league. He might have scored anyways, but 174 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: you know, he did the right what he was supposed 175 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: to do on that play. What he so yeah, I thought, 176 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 3: you know, he really looks like a talented slot receivement, 177 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: you know, and that's that's what his home is. And 178 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: they got him a ball. We have seen a couple 179 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: of key spots. 180 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, no question about it. All right, let's go to 181 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: the defense quickly. A lot over four hundred yards left 182 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: a lot to be desired, but they didn't make some 183 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: key plays. So the first time all year ball did, 184 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: Giants won the turnover ratio three. Nothing makes a big 185 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: difference when that happens, right, You combine that they had 186 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: six plays of thirty eight yards more the first time 187 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: they did that all year. The most plays they had 188 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: over thirty yards in a game before this son was 189 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: the Steeler game. They're actually two and three in the 190 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: red zone. 191 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: So all those kind of. 192 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: Big things came together, big plays. But once the Giants 193 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 2: are making him in these games instead of coming up 194 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: short in some of those big play situations. 195 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: Well, the interception by Dame Belton is just yeah, I 196 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: mean that's just a great play, you know. I Mean, 197 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: first of all, he's catching the ball like a great 198 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 3: wide receiver over his shoulder, tracking the ball, you know, 199 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: laying out for it, you know, possession, pulling into his 200 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: body before he gets to the ground. I mean, those 201 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: are the type of play. I mean, that's only the 202 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 3: fourth interception I take all year at that point in 203 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: the game. And you know they've been they haven't been 204 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: getting their hands on footballs. But I thought Dave Belton 205 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: played a great game in that interception was probably his 206 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: best play. 207 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: Anything else in this game, then you would have touched 208 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: at all before he moved on to some big picture stuff. 209 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, they're pulling guys off the street. 210 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 3: I mean Ty, you know, you know, Ty's out there, 211 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: Ty Summers. I remember Tie Summers at TCU. Uh, you know, 212 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: and he's bounced around the league. He's been in green 213 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 3: basement and a lottery. Oh, he's out there backling like crazy. 214 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 3: You know. We always say at this time of the year, 215 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: or what is there to play for? Well, Ty Summers 216 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: playing for a spot in the NFL just went. Don't 217 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 3: got eleven tackles yesterday. Now, I'll be it. They gave 218 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 3: up yards. Johnathan Taylor's a premium back, but you know, 219 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: and he's not the fastest guy. But he made a 220 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: lot of plays yesterday, Like you know, you see that 221 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: for Brian Burns, He's not a good play man. He's 222 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 3: just a very electric player. You know. He he gets 223 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: to the quarterback, he's he has an explosive first step 224 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: that hasn't sold down at all. And even when even 225 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 3: when Flackwell was getting rid of the ball, I mean, 226 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 3: Burns was around him, close to them, trying to chop 227 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 3: at the ball. He's just a really good, talented player. 228 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: And I'll be honest, he's been a lot better in 229 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: the run game this year that I thought he was 230 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: going to be Baldy. He engages, he uses his length well, 231 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: he keeps the defectives off of them, and even with 232 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: the record the way it is, it's really easy, as 233 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: it is an edge rusher to kind of check out 234 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: a little bit in the run game and just kind 235 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 2: of go through the motions. That has not been the 236 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: case with them this year. He has stayed very much 237 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 2: engaged in the run game. 238 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: He's a pro. He's a pro, and you'd be easy, 239 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: honestly to get the contract that he got, okay, and 240 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 3: then to have the season they're having, just to start 241 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 3: thinking about what I'm gonna do to this offseason, and 242 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: it doesn't appear with Brian that that's any of it. 243 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 3: And so that's that's encouraging. You know, Junior's roaches inside 244 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 3: battling like crazy. You know, maybe a couple of plays. 245 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: So I thought the effort from some of the players 246 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 3: who's really pretty stood out, even though they gave up 247 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: a lot of yards in more points than they wanted to. 248 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: You know, one of those street guys out there out 249 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 2: there is just Elijah Garcia too. He's a guy that 250 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: kind of brought up as a practice squad guy. He's 251 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: kind of your old school I was talking to Andrea 252 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: Patterson about this, the Giants defensive line coach. He's like, 253 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: he's that old school four to three strong side defensive 254 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: end you don't see anymore. He's like two ninety five, 255 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: he's long, he's not a great athlete, but he's strong, 256 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: he's good against the one, and he just does a 257 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: lot of the dirty worker in that you don't really 258 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: see from some of these modern day NFL ends. 259 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 3: No, I agree, they don't even coming out sides anymore. Yeah, 260 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: you know that that literally that the exact thing when 261 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 3: you talk about you can line up in a seventeen 262 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: technique over the inside eye of the tight end, take 263 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: on the tackle. You want to run strong side? Okay, 264 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 3: you got to get through this. I mean those are 265 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 3: stateles of a type of player that can rotate depending 266 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 3: on down distance, situation, and who are you're playing against? 267 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 3: Howd up get in here? 268 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 2: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the 269 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: middle with at the score great? How do we make 270 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 2: that happen? I don't know, but Citizens does? It makes 271 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: sense of your money with Citizens Official Bank of Eli 272 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 2: Manning Joys little podcast brought to you by Citizens, the 273 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 2: official bank of the Giants, some game day celebrations, your 274 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: everyday financial needs. Big Blue fans can get the most 275 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 2: out of every moment with Citizens. Learn more of Citizens 276 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: Bank on Slash Giants. I've bought these some bigger picture 277 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 2: of stuff I would have talked to you about. We 278 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 2: talked about on our programming here, and we had texted 279 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: back and forth. Own to that Cowboy game when Evan 280 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 2: Neil had a very tough game. He was on the 281 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: ground of the lot. Did not play well in that game. 282 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: I think he's been notably better since then. He's been 283 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: on the ground much less. I'm still not sure the 284 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 2: future is a tackle because I think one of the 285 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: reasons he had a lot of trouble in that game 286 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: is because he's dealing with an elite athlete of Micah Parsons, right, 287 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: And I love to get your take on this. If 288 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: you can slide him inside and have him working in 289 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: a little bit more of a phone booth and guys 290 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: aren't as athletic. And we even saw in this Colts 291 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 2: game he had some double teams with with with Kubas 292 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 2: on that right side where they're moving people, he wrenches 293 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: one guy to the ground on one playing pancakes them. 294 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: I feel like he didn't get him working in those 295 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: boxes and he can use his strength that I think 296 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: he could be a youthful player at guard. What are 297 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 2: your thoughts on that. 298 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 3: I want to see his athleticism in their guard. I mean, 299 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: I know people put tackles that don't look at fights 300 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: enough to protect the edge to go inside. It's a 301 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,719 Speaker 3: common thing to try and do. We do it from 302 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: college players to NFL players, go from tackle to guard. 303 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: If you can see what his cook is at guard 304 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 3: is like getting to the second level. Jona Malioll concerned 305 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: he has played better though, there's no question he's much better. 306 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 3: Maybe the ankle was stronger. You know, I'd like to 307 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: see him with a really healthy, good off season all 308 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: right where because he does move people. His strength is 309 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: he's he does move people in the run game. But 310 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: you know that's that's a part of what gets you 311 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 3: on the field. The other part, obviously is protected against 312 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: these you know, the Brian Burgs and Micas and those 313 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 3: guys on the edge, which does give you trouble. So 314 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 3: I want to see him with the off season healthy, 315 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: get stronger, work on his footwork, really get a year 316 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 3: an off season in the off season program, because he 317 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 3: didn't have that last year, and so I really want 318 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 3: to see that this year and can play around with 319 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 3: him car and see if he could be either be 320 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 3: a starter or rotational guy right now, because there is 321 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 3: something be said like, for example, like makaith Beckton just 322 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 3: could do it with the Jets, couldn't stay healthy, couldn't 323 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: stay on the field. He's playing guard now and he 324 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: if you want to look for a comp, there's a 325 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: little bit of a comp there. McKai Beckton in the 326 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: run game in Philly is a big reason why I 327 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 3: say watch is one of two thousand. He's been outstanding 328 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 3: and he still has some issues, but his power and 329 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: Lane Johns will tell you playing tackle next to him 330 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 3: and he gets that thing moving, he gets a little 331 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 3: bit of more. You could start to move the line 332 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 3: of scrimmage. And so I think there's I think there's 333 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: a place, and I'm by no means what I give 334 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 3: up on him, But I do want to see him 335 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: in an off season. I like to see that if 336 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: that transition can be made. 337 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: And when you talk about it, I want to get 338 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: a little technical here, because I know you love the 339 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 2: offensive line talk. We're talking about that quickness at guard, 340 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: because you're right, things get on you a lot faster 341 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: a guard. Right, Guys don't line the run on your face, 342 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 2: you don't have as much time. And then you mentioned 343 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: the second levels up some of the issues. I know 344 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: he can sometimes get out over his skis a little 345 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: bit and tilt and lose ballance going forward. When you're 346 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 2: trying to get to the linebacker on the second level 347 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: with their quickness, that's when some of that can kind 348 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: of come into play a little bit. 349 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: Right. Well, you mean, first of all, you know, in 350 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 3: order to get to the second level. You have to 351 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: take good angles, all right, and these guys are running. 352 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 3: I mean, you know one of the reasons why we've 353 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: seen a shift in this league right now, John, where 354 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: they're really the teams that are winning a lot are 355 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 3: running in Boordland their throw. I mean, you just go 356 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: Baltimore and Washington, Philly, go around the league. You can 357 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 3: see it. But because the linebackers have just gotten so light, 358 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: they're basically pumped up safeties. So these guys are running, 359 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: you know, and so you've got to take good angels 360 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 3: to get there, because if you don't block to that 361 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 3: second level, you're not going to get like the explosive 362 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: run that Tyrone got yesterday. You've got to get that 363 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: level block. And so for a guard, it's it's imperative 364 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: whether you're pulling on powers or you're trapping or your 365 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: backside cutoffs to get to those linebackers that are on 366 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: the move any kind of a toss they're flying. That's 367 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: what I want to see if he can get to 368 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: that second level. 369 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: No great, great, great point. Otherwise in the offensive line, Boldie, 370 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: if you come back next year, how are you feeling 371 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: about this group? Right? You hoping Andrew Thomas a healthy 372 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: left tackle. He spoke of the Blisco said he should 373 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 2: be good to go. You have a lumin Or as 374 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: a potential right tackle. You have Evan neel back. If 375 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: you bring back Greg Van Rowland is kind of like 376 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: a swing center guard type. Schmidtz comes back. Runyon still here. 377 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: Do you want to add another piece? How do you 378 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: view this offensive line moving forward? Based on what we 379 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: saw from the group when they were healthy earlier in 380 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 2: the year. 381 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: A Luminar has been a good player. I mean he 382 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 3: played really well left tackle yesterday. I mean that you 383 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 3: know that Latch was a good pass rusher. He didn't 384 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: have any problem with them. Luminar has been good. That 385 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: was a good sign. Van Roten has been much better 386 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: than I thought he would be be honest with you, 387 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 3: He's always been sort of a backup guy, but he 388 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: can you know, he can really swing inside. Runying was 389 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 3: solid before the injury, and he's never really had any 390 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: injuries before. This is really at first, Yeah, but I 391 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 3: do think there's a there's a place for just a maller, 392 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 3: just a bigger, stronger guy at a guard position that 393 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: you could go to right now because the tackles are 394 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 3: getting so big the defensive times that you watched watching 395 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 3: you know, this kid Stealer, watching Zach Allen, I'm watching 396 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: these big, powerful guys inside You're gonna match power and power. 397 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 3: You're going up against Dexter Lawrence. You need bigger people 398 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 3: inside right now. So I feel like there's a place 399 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: for a big not necessarily a first round pick or 400 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: you know, a high price free agent, but some because 401 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 3: they've got some depth now, I think they can line 402 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: up and play with five, especially if Andrew stays healthy. 403 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 3: I feel like they can man the edges with Jermaine 404 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: or Evan and Andrew if they got a little bigger, 405 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 3: stronger inside and the depth that has been developed because 406 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 3: the guys that are playing, including the Yeron City who played 407 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 3: good yesterday, I feel like they've got real depth for 408 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 3: the first time in a long time. Now. 409 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. What do you think about 410 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 2: the wide receiver corps? Obviously you see what Eligue Dabs 411 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: can do. Darius Ling's gonna be a free agent. Jale 412 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: Hyatts heading into year three, hasn't done a ton in 413 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 2: his first two years. We talked about Wondo Robinson. You 414 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: want to add a big X like, do you think 415 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: that's kind of like the final piece to this basketball 416 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 2: team of wide receivers or should they use their resources elsewhere? 417 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: And you're good heading into next year with some combination 418 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 2: of that group. 419 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 3: Well, you know, you got Malik on a rookie contract 420 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: and he's your start. Now. I remember when Minnesota had 421 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson and went out and drafted Jordan Adison, right 422 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 3: and you say, okay, can you can you coexist with 423 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 3: two number one? Because that's where Jordan Adison is. He's 424 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: the number one, And they've made it work, and you know, 425 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 3: they've got their you know, Jalen Naylor, They've got their 426 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 3: guys that fill in, but they I feel like in 427 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 3: this league right now, you know you want to go 428 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 3: try and take Justin Jefferson away. Jordan Outison beat Green 429 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: Bay yesterday, so I feel like if especially if they 430 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: you know, Slaight's gone, and I don't obviously don't know 431 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 3: what Jalen Hyatt is at this point because we just 432 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 3: don't see him, you know, And I don't know if 433 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: he's just a go route guy just announcer. But I 434 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: feel like there's a place for another elite receiver for 435 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 3: this Giants team. 436 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can totally see that as well. All right, 437 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: let's jump to the defensive side of the ball, the 438 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: pass rush. Deckster obviously will come back. He hasn't really 439 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: been hurt much. Elbow injury put him out for the 440 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 2: rest of the year. We talked about Burns. Kvon has 441 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: been hot and cold over the course of the year 442 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: since he's been back healthy. You think you need to 443 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: add another defensive tackle next to Deck's going to try 444 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 2: to show up the run defense. What do you think 445 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 2: the folks should be upfront on defense? 446 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 3: I think they need more depth at defensive tackle. The 447 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 3: great teams that are alive and going playing in January 448 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 3: right now, for example, Kansas City just playing on Christmas 449 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 3: without Chris Jones. I mean, he's just dominant as a 450 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 3: defensive tackle and you didn't even notice the difference. Like 451 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 3: they're good teams right now, john are four deep at 452 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: that position and they play all four. I feel like Dexter, 453 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 3: as good as he was this year, I feel like 454 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: he's almost playing too many snaps now. It's a credit 455 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 3: that he's in condition that he could play eighty percent 456 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 3: of the snaps, But I feel like over the course 457 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 3: of seventeen weeks, seventeen games. I think he would even 458 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: benefit if he played fewer snaps and you had a 459 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 3: real rotation inside the defensive tackle. So I think there 460 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: was a place to draft somebody in there right now. 461 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 3: If you want to know how to manage two minutes 462 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 3: of crunch time football, I'm your man. But if you're 463 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: wondering about a long term financial plan, you should talk 464 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 3: to Citizens. Hey, I can also talk long care. 465 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: I'd like to learn about a Moliar team. Yes, I 466 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: knew I could help make sense of your money with Citizens, 467 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 2: all right, And this kind of relates back to this 468 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: past game. I didn't bring it up in the game 469 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: where because I knew we would touch on it here. 470 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: I think a lot of the focus off season bald. 471 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: He's got to be on the secondary, right, Joe Flack 472 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: to go over with three hundred yards in this game. 473 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: Doorrig Jackson is on a one year deal. Who knows 474 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: if he's going to be back. Tyler Nuben's out for 475 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: the year, but he played pretty well. Jason Pennock's a 476 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 2: free agent. Cordo Flatt setting into his fourth year. Now, 477 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 2: you know he's been in and out of the lineup 478 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 2: with injuries. I think you like, we just see Andrew Phillips, 479 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 2: you like what you seem Tyler Nuban. And then he 480 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: get to Deante Banks, who once again is in good 481 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: position on a lot of these plays. He's running with 482 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: these wide receivers, he just doesn't finish them. He grabs 483 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 2: on his in half do he loses his balance, he 484 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 2: loses his leverage. He does these things that are frustrating 485 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 2: because you see in the talent, you see his ability 486 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 2: and mirror and hang with these guys, but he just 487 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: doesn't execute at the catch point and when he needs 488 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 2: to make plays at the ball. 489 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 3: Well, the defensive pass interference County, we're just seeing too many. 490 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 3: That's just a panic play, John, It's a panic play and. 491 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: He doesn't have to back. 492 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 3: He's in good position, he's in good position, and you 493 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: panic and you give up a forty yard play. Like 494 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 3: those plays chilling, Yeah, Like you know they're not gonna 495 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 3: worthy score. They get back in the game like this. 496 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 3: And he was the third corner taken in that draft. 497 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 3: I think he was a third corner taken and he 498 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 3: was highly thought of. He played well against Marvin Harrison 499 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 3: every early against Ohio State, there's games, but he's he's 500 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: the one defensive player that has to take a jump 501 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 3: this year. You've got to have corners that can play. 502 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 3: I mean you're going around the league right now and 503 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 3: you're looking at these defenses like you've got to have 504 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 3: guys that can lock up and play on the outside 505 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 3: without getting their hands on guys without committee penalties. And 506 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 3: you've got to be a participant, uh, in the tackling game. 507 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 3: And so he he's going to make up his mind 508 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: to that. You can coach these guys all you want. 509 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: He's got to make up his mind that he wants 510 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 3: to be a great player. 511 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and he hasn't in him. He has the physical 512 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 2: ability to do it. He just got to figure some 513 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 2: of that stuff out. 514 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 3: All right. 515 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 2: Let I bury the lead, I suppose, because we can 516 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: fix all these things if you don't fix the quarterback, 517 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 2: fix the quarterback spot. I mean, I'm not gonna it's 518 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 2: hard to say none of it matters, but it matters 519 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: a lot less if you don't have the right guy 520 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 2: behind center. We saw that with the way Drew Lot 521 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 2: played this week. It just changes everything when your quarterback 522 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: plays really well. Right, So we don't know whether the 523 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 2: Jihants canna draft yet. You haven't done your full study 524 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: of the quarterbacks in the draft. I haven't finished mine either, 525 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: so we're not there yet. What do you think overall, though, 526 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 2: is the best approach here for the Giants in the offseason? 527 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: Is it do what the Falcons did where you get 528 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: the vet and then you draft too, you do both. 529 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: You just throw a bunch of darts. How do you 530 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: think the Giant should best approach to quarterback situation this 531 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 2: offseason because right now they have no one on their 532 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: contract heading into twenty twenty five. 533 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 3: Well, we've seen a lot of these rookie quarterbacks have 534 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 3: success done more than than you know, Jade and Daniels. Mean, 535 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 3: it's complete turn a more of a franchise around in 536 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 3: one year. Is overtime drive yesterday against Atlanta? I mean, 537 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 3: it's just great. It's just the guy's just toysed beyond belief. 538 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: Exact when he throw winning touchdown passing overtime is zach Ertz. 539 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 3: Everybody else is jumping on zach Ertz. He's literally just 540 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 3: standing there like almost it is. His points reminds me 541 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 3: of Eli. That's still me I would do. You don't 542 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: win a championship game, like this is what I'm here 543 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 3: to do. He's not pumping his fist and jumping on 544 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 3: top of guys like he's literally that's my job, deliver 545 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: the ball. Now. Now, maybe he's just a generational talent 546 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 3: once every whatever, but he you get that guy in 547 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 3: your building with what they have, you could turn things 548 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 3: around one year. It could just could be done. And 549 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: so I don't know the quarterbacks. Jayden was taking number two. 550 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 3: They felt like they got the best player. I think 551 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 3: that Michael Pennix Junior is gonna be a really good player. 552 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 3: Played well yesterday. He needs timing with some of his guys. 553 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,959 Speaker 3: I think bo Nicks is right there at the doorstep 554 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 3: and taking this team to the playoffs in Denver. So 555 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 3: we sen you guys have success, and we've seen it 556 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 3: in different ways. John, to answer your question, we've seen 557 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 3: Pennis back up all year long behind the veteran Okay, 558 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 3: and now it's started to see if he can rescue 559 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 3: the season. We see Bonnicks with an elite play caller 560 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 3: and coach really developed and come on and have a 561 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 3: great year. Jade Daniels with the right pieces around him, 562 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 3: and I don't think they're done building yet, but you 563 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 3: can see, I mean, eleven wins for that team. Nobody 564 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 3: could have predicted what they've done so far. 565 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 2: Let me ask you about one veteran, just because we've 566 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: seen Michael Pennick start, and I think you'd all be 567 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: surprised if if Kirk Cousins is on the Falcons next year. 568 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: Obviously he is still their property, so you know, just 569 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: if it so happens that he becomes available or made 570 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 2: available one of your coming off for Achilles. Obviously over 571 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 2: thirty five year old quarterback. He did not play well 572 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 2: when the last few weeks before they took him out 573 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: for Pennix. I don't know how much of that is 574 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: health or what. None of us do except for Kirk Cousins. Right, 575 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 2: what do you think he has left in the tankause, 576 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: I'm sure he's going to be one of the guys 577 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 2: when when the quarterback game of musical chairs begins and 578 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 2: there's a lot of empty seats, teams have got the 579 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: fine guys to fill it, and he's probably going to 580 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: be one of those guys. 581 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 3: Well, I was of the belief because I saw him 582 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 3: play twice down the stretch and it was more than 583 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: a slump. John It was more than a slump. He 584 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 3: couldn't put the ball where he wants to put it 585 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 3: where he wants good. Now, the offense was a little 586 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 3: and he was a shotgun offense. He's been under center 587 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: a great deal of play action pass. Maybe people told 588 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 3: me that maybe he was a shotgun ninety five percent 589 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: of the time because maybe he couldn't pull it away 590 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: from center with that Achilles injury coming back from it 591 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 3: to get the explosive first step that you need. I 592 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 3: thought it was more than a slump. And you watched 593 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 3: that last game you played against the Raiders. He could 594 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: not get away from any kind of a rush at all. Now, 595 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 3: maybe a year removed from that, he'll have a lot 596 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 3: more mobility, at least enough to elude a four man 597 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 3: rush and finally opening to keep your eyes down the 598 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 3: field and make the throat. Uh, it'd be a gamble 599 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 3: in my eye, because last thing you want to do 600 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 3: is invest in somebody that truly is at the end 601 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: and doesn't have much left that and my thinked honestly, 602 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 3: is I felt like we were watching the end of 603 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,719 Speaker 3: a really good career. 604 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, look it's tough. I we still have Aaron Rodgers right, 605 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 2: when you're that age and you get that type of 606 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 2: lower body injury. I think what we're going to learn here, 607 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: Baldi is that Tom Brady was the exception. It's not 608 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: the rule when it comes to playing after forty years old. 609 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 3: Right, Well, we didn't see it from Drew Brees. We 610 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 3: didn't see it from Peyton. You know, we didn't like you. 611 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: Or you or Matt Ryan real at. 612 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: The end, like we just there's you can only fool 613 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 3: father time so long, and maybe Brady is just the 614 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: outlier for all of us. But oh, we see Brett 615 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 3: fav We've seen all these elite players, Like at the end, 616 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 3: it looked like maybe they stay too low, you know, 617 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 3: and yeah, you can't fault to whatever. But I just 618 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 3: think you're looking at a young man's game, and I 619 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 3: think that's how you have to sort of invest. 620 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: Now. 621 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,479 Speaker 3: The one guy that might ghet the market maybe he 622 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: doesn't is Sam Donald. Like he's just playing outstanding. I 623 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 3: was saying again yesterday, just an outstanding day with everything 624 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 3: on the line, And we'll see him against Detroit on 625 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 3: Sunday with everything on the line for number one seed. 626 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 3: I don't think this thing is going to go backwards. 627 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 3: I just think this is where he's at right now. 628 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how the rest of the season 629 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 2: is going to go, and maybe they'll change things. If 630 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: you're the Vikings, how do you let that guy walk 631 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 2: out the door? Man? I mean, my goodness, how good 632 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: has he been? And he's getting better every week? He 633 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: looks better. 634 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: No, I mean the decision making, the offense, you know, 635 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 3: just his overall movement. It's what they the Jets thought 636 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: they were getting, you know, six seven years ago, but 637 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 3: he looked He's in a stable place with a great 638 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: play call or a great talent all the way around, 639 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 3: and he's just facilitating it all. But he's making great 640 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 3: decisions and I'm gonna it's and I've talked to the 641 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: general Mount and Drup there about any said there's they 642 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 3: don't have to make any decision. They just can just 643 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 3: let this thing play out and if they go keep 644 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: in the playoffs here, who knows, then they can make 645 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 3: that decision at that time. 646 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 2: Wait, bauld, are you telling me that an ecosystem around 647 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 2: a young quarterback is important for their development? No way, 648 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: I don't believe that for a second. 649 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 3: No way, you know it's that. 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