WEBVTT - Rep. Zach Nunn - December 13th, Hour 2 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.480 All right, thanks Scott Shan in an hour two Sean 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:04.760 Hennity Show, eight hundred and nine to four one Seawn 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.520 our number if you want to be a part of 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:11.520 the program. Well, I keep talking about the Daniel Penny 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:13.920 case because I think it's so relevant, this case that 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.680 never should have been brought. It was a malicious prosecution 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.479 on the part of Alvin Bragg. 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:22.000 By far. 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:27.600 The best coverage was my friend, my colleague, judge Janine 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.920 Piro of the hit show The Five. She'll join us 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:34.519 in a second, and she got the first interview with 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.240 Daniel Penny, the only interview to date, and it was. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:39.520 Very, very powerful. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.920 Let me play portions of this where he slams the 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.280 policies that failed New Yorkers. Remember, you know this guy, 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.519 Jordan Neely had what forty two run ins with the 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.560 police prior to this. He never should have been on 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:58.400 that subway train. Don't forget the testimony from eyewitness after 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.880 eyewitness talked about how they feared for their lives. One 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:07.880 African American woman testifying in the trials saying thank you 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.600 to Daniel Penny, smiling at him from the witness stand. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:17.920 And of course, then the antics that I believe, you know, 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.240 were just just so corrupt by the DA's office. This 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.440 guy should not be a DA in any city or 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:29.760 any town or any municipality anyway. Here's Penny slamming the 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:33.399 policies that failed New Yorkers, then talking about how Jordan 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:39.000 Neely was threatening to kill people, and describing the subway 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.280 when Jordan Neely got on it. Let me play a 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.480 substantial part of this interview so you understand the context 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.720 of what Daniel Penny had to deal with that day. 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:57.960 These public officials wouldn't do something so self serving. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.440 Does it serve them to hurt you just political gain. 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.560 I mean, these are their policies that are and I 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:09.400 don't mean to get political. I don't really want to 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:14.560 make any enemies really, although I guess I have already, 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.040 But I mean these these are their policies that I've 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:23.760 clearly not worked, that the people, the general population are 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.760 not in support of. Yet their egos are too big 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:33.360 just to admit admit that they're wrong, just very aggressively. 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:34.800 Kind of like ran on and stumbled on. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.920 That's you know, as New Yorkers, you kind of come 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:44.640 to accept that is unfortunately a normal occurrence. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.720 And what was he saying, what was he doing? 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.280 What drew your attention to him? 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.360 Well, you know I noticed him at first. 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:59.320 When he came on, you know, and the doors closed, 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.919 and as soon as the doors closed, he was carrying 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.200 a jacket and he whipped the jacket down and it 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.440 landed on the feet I was standing, and it landed 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.800 on the feet of the passenger sitting down next to me, 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.920 and the zipper made. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.920 A very audible noise. It was very loud, very aggressive, and. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:24.480 At that point the train car went completely silent. It 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:29.240 was it almost felt as like it felt like a vacuum, 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:33.880 and there's like this hollow feeling. And that's when I 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.440 first kind of gave him my full attention. 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.280 Okay, so the train becomes silent, What if anything does 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.200 he say? 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:47.840 You know, he first comes on and he starts demanding things. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.840 He's demanded three different things. You know, he's certain types 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:54.720 of food, certain types of drinks, and you know, things 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:59.720 that like some type of fast food, and that he 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.160 was he was willing to go to jail forever if 0:04:02.160 --> 0:04:03.160 he didn't get these things. 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.160 And then it kind of escalated. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:09.720 You were saying, you repeated, I was going to go 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.280 to jail for life, I'm willing to hurt people, I'm 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:13.120 willing to kill people. 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:14.120 I'm going to kill people. 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.080 And is this keep in mind, this is all within 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:21.320 fifteen seconds of him getting on the train, and it 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:26.039 was this escalation of violence and threatening behavior that it 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:26.480 was just. 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:29.440 It was pretty. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.160 Serious when he said he was willing to kill people. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.040 Did you believe him? Yeah, totally. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.800 It was unlike you know, because there's outbursts on the 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:38.520 train all the time. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:40.200 Unfortunately in New York City, there's. 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:48.320 There's always people coming on and saying kind of talking crazy, 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:53.840 and this was unlike anything that I've ever experienced, and 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:58.760 it was it was very serious. It was I completely 0:04:58.800 --> 0:04:59.680 believed what he was saying. 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.920 It was what was the reaction by the fellow subway riders. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.200 Well, when, like I said, when there was that silence, 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:12.040 when there was that vacuum, I mean everybody was had 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:14.000 Like he got everybody's attention. 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.120 How close was he to the people as he was 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:20.279 telling them or saying I'm going to kill someone? 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.760 He started off in the middle of the of the train, 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.680 by the pole, and then he would in that in 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.479 that escalation, he would he started to get in people's 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:30.680 faces within a foot of people. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.880 What was there. There was a woman with a baby in. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:39.680 A carriage, children, kids going to school, coming back from school. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.200 It was just like it was. It was what you'd 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.000 expect on a normal New York City subway train or 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:49.640 subway car. He was yeah, the mother was was holding 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:55.360 her child, and the school kids were protecting themselves or 0:05:55.400 --> 0:06:00.680 holding each other, and just people were stuck their chairs 0:06:00.720 --> 0:06:04.360 and they felt pinned. And I felt pinned, I felt nervous, 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:05.120 I felt scared. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.719 All right joining us now, she had this exclusive interview. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.080 Friend of the program, also co host of the hit 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:17.200 show of the five Friend of Mine, judged Janine Piros 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:19.680 with us, Judge, I will tell you all throughout the trial, 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.120 and I did comment to you about this privately and 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:28.560 publicly on the air on Fox News. You had superb coverage, 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.800 and it was in the middle of a presidential election, 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.719 which made your life that much harder. But you really 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:37.520 cared about this, and with your background as a DA 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.960 and a prosecutor, you are the perfect person to be 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:41.120 in that courtroom. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:41.640 As often as you are. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.960 Well, thank you for your gratitude and your compliments. I 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:50.280 really appreciate it. Look, I've been Alvin Bragg I've been 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:52.800 the elected DA and I've been the judge in that 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:56.160 courtroom as well as an elected county judge. So I mean, 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.120 that's kind of my wheelhouse. It's New York. But it 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:00.880 was clear to me from the get go that this 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.760 was a case that never should have been brought, as 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:08.640 you've been saying for many, many months now, because Alvin 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:13.440 Bragg is a leftist, progressive prosecutor funded by George Sorrows. 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.360 This was a case that was brought because of color, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:20.200 and the prosecutor's office tried to make this a case 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.240 about race and racism, but it was totally rejected by 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:29.040 the jury and by everyone on that subway train. And 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:31.520 you know you said it right. There was an African 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.360 American lady who smiled from the witness stand. And Danny 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.360 Penny was so eloquent in that interview when he talked 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:42.520 about the fact that the gratitude and the thanks from 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:46.680 the people on that subway car would overcome, as he 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.280 said it a million days of court appearances, all the 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.200 name calling and all the hate. He said, he only 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:55.600 has to think back to the people who thanked him. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:08:00.200 This guy, Danny Penny is he is an American hero. 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:05.119 And when you've got these people like Alvin Bragg and 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.560 you mentioned malicious prosecution, I think they should go for that. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.160 But there's another piece to it, Sewan, and that isn't 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.840 the medical examiner lied on the oath. The medical examiner 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.360 said one thing in the grand jury and one thing 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:21.160 at the trial regarding the pressure at the neck. She 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:25.520 said she couldn't tell if there was persistent consistent pressure 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.840 in the grand jury testimony. And at the trial, of 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:33.480 course she's pro prosecution. Oh yeah, there's consistent persistent pressure. 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:37.559 That's number one, same medical examiner. Number two, the chief 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:42.400 medical examiner gets involved after the autopsy's done and decides 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:47.360 it's a homicide. They don't wait for toxicology, histology, anthropology. 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.520 Why is that relevant? Because this guy had enough K 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:55.400 two in his system to make him that aggressive, incredibly 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:56.400 strong first in nation. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.120 A lot of people don't know what K two is, 0:08:59.200 --> 0:09:04.680 but it's a very poltent, powerful drug that literally makes 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:05.560 people crazy. 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.080 It makes me crazy, and this guy's already crazy. He 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.240 was in the middle of a psychotic break, remember, Sean. 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.720 He was on a list of fifty the most dangerous 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:19.040 mentally ill homeless people in a city of eight million people. 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.760 He's identified as one of the fifty. He was arrested 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.480 forty two times, arrested within a seven year period. He 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:29.560 had an open warrant for decking in a sixty four 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.960 or sixty eight year old woman and breaking your orbital bumps. 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.200 That day he had arrassed another woman on the subway 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:40.760 car on the subway platform. So let's not kit each other. 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.600 You not only had a DA who was political, but 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.760 you had a medical examiner who actually came out Sean 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.600 and said, I don't care if there's enough fetanyl to 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.720 kill an elephant. This is a strangulation. Now, Sewna tried 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.679 strangulation cases. There was no FATIGUEI I think there were 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.920 two little dots in They showed the eyelid. And these 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:07.200 lawyers are great Teniff and Razor, Steve rasor Tom Kaniff. 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.920 There's no PANDIKII. There was no damage to the hyoid bone. 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.280 The high bone is the Adams apple, none of that stuff. 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.240 And they didn't even wait for the test. And he 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.200 was he had sickle cell disease. He was sickling as 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.080 he died. So you've got a psychotic break. You've got 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:27.080 him on K two an incredibly a strong drug. It's 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:31.720 cannabinoid synthetic. People are crazy on it. They're very strong, 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:35.480 and even Penny said in the interview with me, he said, look, 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.199 he was above me and he picked me up as 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.720 I wrapped myself around him. We were on the floor 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.160 and he was strong enough to pick me up with him. 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.760 And then you had the stress from the fight. So 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.040 all of a sudden, they want to make this a 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:54.160 George Floyd situation. No, and the jury of blacks, Hispanics, 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:57.800 Asians and white, just like the people on that subway car, 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.320 just like New York City said no, you're not going 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.560 to sell us this nonsense. And that's why Donald Trump won. 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:08.440 People want the truth, they want law and order. They 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.439 want to be able to go on a subway car 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.320 and know that there's a hero like Danny Penny who 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.560 is willing to give it up and go to prison. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.440 I said, were you ready to go? He said yeah, yeah. 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.000 I was humble. 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:25.600 Kind. This guy wants no attention none. And when they 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.000 came in to take pictures of him at my interview, 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:29.959 they took one. He said no more. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.560 All right, quick break, we'll come right back. More with 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:37.120 Judge Janine Piro more of her exclusive interview with Daniel 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:38.920 Penny on the other side. Then we'll get to your 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.080 phone calls. Eight hundred nine four one, Shawn our number 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.320 if you want to be a part of the program. 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:47.880 All right, but continue now with my friend, my colleague 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:51.560 of the hit show The Five. Judge Janine Piro is 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:54.240 with us. We'll get to your calls coming up. Eight 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.839 hundred and nine to four one, Sean. You know, I'm 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:58.959 listening to everything you're saying here. They tried to make 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:02.760 this case about Ray, and then the closing arguments, the 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.240 prosecutor again brought up the racial issue, but they didn't 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.800 charge him with a hate crime, which they would have 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:13.559 had they had any evidence that this was a racial 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:17.000 case or a hate crime. They didn't want the toxicology 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.040 report at all. It wasn't even ordered in the beginning. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:24.480 They just came to the conclusion they wanted to without 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:28.760 doing their due diligence in the case. And what really 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:33.920 offended me as well is after the jury deadlocked on 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:39.840 the manslaughter charge, then Alvin Bragg comes in and he 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.800 dismisses that charge, which, according to New York state law, 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.600 correct me if I'm wrong, No, the jury would need 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.319 to come to a unanimous verdict. Otherwise the entire case, 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.480 including the lesser charges, would be thrown out in New 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.600 York State unless they came to a full verdict on that. 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.120 And they did it on purpose against the law which 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:06.360 is designed to prevent a compromised verdict that being defined 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:10.479 as oh okay, well, they're thrown out the other charge, 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.440 and I guess that means they only think he's guilty 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.679 of the lesser charge. And the odds go up significantly 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.240 when they do that, But the law is designed to 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:20.080 prevent that. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:26.520 Right, right, You're absolutely right there, Sean. Look, I think 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.800 that this was the turning point for the jury, and 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:32.880 I'll tell you why. They go to the judge they say, Judge, 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.480 we can't agree on manslaughter in the second degree, for 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.360 which you face up to fifteen years in prison, and 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:41.560 the judge gives them an Allen charge, which I would 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.040 give all the time, and basically say go back and 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.240 try to share your views again. Judge gives them another 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.959 Allen charge when they come back. And then they come 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.319 back and they say, no, we can't, we can't agree. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:57.720 Instead of dismissing everything that the prosecutor says, Judge, we 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:03.360 wanted Smith just the manslaughter and keep the rest of it, 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.199 and the judge went along with it. Now, I've been 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:10.360 doing this for almost four decades, I have never seen 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:12.440 that done. And what they were trying to do is 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.560 coerce the jury. And this is when I think Sean, 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.600 the normal jury might have come back and said, yeah, 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.760 maybe we can still, you know, hang on the krim 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.680 neg like we had criminally negligent homicide, like on the 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.640 manslaughter in the second degree. They came back in an 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.720 hour and they said, not guilty, David. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.520 But you know what's amazing about that, And Jonathan Turley 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:38.000 pointed this out is the person that was most surprised 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:42.280 by this verdict was likely Alvin Bragg because they probably thought, oh, 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.400 we got him on the lesser charge. At least that's 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:48.200 a partial victory for them. But I've just again, I 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.560 do have to compliment you. You did a phenomenal job. I'm 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.600 very grateful for your coverage and grateful you shared that 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.680 interview both here and on Fox News, and we appreciate 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.680 all you. Judge Bureau, You're the best. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.000 Thank you, love you, good bye. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:05.720 Love you back. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.400 Well, I guess you just can't trust your own eyes. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.600 You can't trust your own ears. You can't trust the 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.640 videos that we've all seen and the pictures that we've 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:18.120 all seen. At least if you listen to John Kirby 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:23.360 in the Biden administration, you know, the first sighting of 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.560 this drone was on November the eighteenth. This was over 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.120 New Jersey, now also over New York and parts of Pennsylvania. 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:36.240 But the administration now says that it's probably not happening 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:42.000 at all. Here's John Kirby, National Security Advisor, basically saying, nah, 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:43.840 none of this is true. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:50.440 Listen, using very sophisticated electronic detection technologies provided by federal authorities, 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.200 we have not been able to and neither of state 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:57.760 or local law enforcement authorities corroborate any of the reported 0:15:58.080 --> 0:15:59.160 visual sightings. 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.040 Really, none of it's true. No evidence of drone sightings 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:07.120 in New Jersey, and there is no safety threat at all, 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:12.280 no foreign nexus. And anyway, I mean pressed about this, 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.320 you know, they just continue to stick to the story. 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:21.360 Now the more the longer this goes on, and the 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:26.360 lack of urgency they are showing tells me and I 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.960 was more con it was either two choices to me. 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.840 Either they just don't know anything, which would be the 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:37.520 scarier scenario for me, because considering our capabilities as the 0:16:37.640 --> 0:16:40.280 United States of America and the biggest military power on 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.600 the face of the earth. You know, I'd like to 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.440 believe and I'd like to think that we'd be able 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.680 to figure this out in less than twenty four hours. 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.040 If you have drones forty nine sightings this past Sunday, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.720 the size of a bus, with the sound of a Harley, 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:59.520 and so many people, you know, giving testimony and I 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.200 witness testimony that they've seen it. Anyway, here is the 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:08.080 police dispatch audio where caller is stating a drone fell 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:11.760 out of the sky near power lines and ten more 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:12.920 drones showed up. 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:13.800 Listen to this. 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:16.440 Count crazy, What was the exact call? 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.879 This crash or crash partical? 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:23.919 Drones fell out of the sky by the power lines 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.360 behind their house, and then ten more showed up. 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.199 All right here to help well unpack what's going on. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:34.600 Here is Representative Zachnna of Iowa. He is a US 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:39.240 Air Force colonel. He was an airborne operations officer overseeing 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:46.240 drone strikes and counterintelligence against the Chinese. And they're drones 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.680 and he's certain that these drones in New Jersey because 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.359 eighty percent of drones in this country are made in China. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.240 He believes they came from China anyway, And we have 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.920 Jeff and Andrew, who the congressman from New Jersey, thinks 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:03.879 they came from Iran. But the bottom line is the 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.639 government's not telling us anything anyway. Congressman None are great 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.639 to have you on the program. Thank you for your 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:12.919 military service, and we appreciate your time. What do you 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.119 when you hear about a drone the size of a 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.320 school bus or bigger or the size of a dining 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:24.960 room table and it sounds like a Harley Davidson do 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.399 you believe in any way, shape, batter, or form that 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:30.639 we don't know where these drones originated from, who's operating 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.439 these drones, and what these drones might be capable of 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.960 regarding either surveillance or maybe even having a military payload 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:38.400 on them. 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.240 Sean, you've highlighted just a spectrum of threat vector coming 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:46.040 in here. We know a couple of things right now. One, 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.600 the overwhelming majority of drones come from DJTU. It's a 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:54.000 Chinese made production facility in China, still has software tied 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:57.600 to China. We also know that the indigenous capability of 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.280 some of our greatest adversaries, that of a raw which 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:02.960 you highlighted, and just earlier this year sent hundreds of 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:07.000 attack drones over Israel over other countries, were able to 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.679 be intercepted, but had only one intent. The destruction of 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.920 folks across Israel are real. We also recognized the United 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:18.320 States lags behind in our drone technology and oftentimes even 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:23.639 US manufactured drones still have foreign software operations systems. Now 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:26.119 here's also what we know. We know we've got New 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.719 Jersey State Police who were in a helicopter flying above 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:31.879 a drone and when they approached it, it was a 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.639 large airborne vehicle that then turned off its lights and 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.280 attempted to go as much as a drone can help, 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.959 but they had to disengage because they were afraid that 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.639 there could be a mid air mishap. We know for 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.600 a fact that we have an entire Coastguard cutter that 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:50.439 was surrounded by a dozen plus drones and followed throughout 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.400 to see off the coast of Jersey, and that when 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.320 they came in and made their report that it was 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.760 substantiated by Homeland Security. We also know for a fact 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.399 that Homeland Security felt so concerned about this that they 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:04.280 briefed members of Congress and members of the government there 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:07.959 in New Jersey, both law enforcement and elected officials. And 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:11.320 as of today, we also know that the White House 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:14.119 says there's nothing to see here, in the same way 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.240 there was nothing to see about Joe Biden's cognitive decline, 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.080 in the same way there was nothing to see that Afghanistan, 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:23.639 a place where I serve for decades, would fall apart overnight, 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:26.119 And there was nothing to see when we left Americans 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.920 behind in Afghanistan or when Israel was attacked. We're now 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.520 supposed to take the word of John Kirby that there 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:34.560 is nothing to see over the skies of New Jersey. 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:38.000 And clearly, whether you ask law enforcement, whether you ask government, 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.520 where you ask kids on the Jersey Shore, they've all 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.919 seen it with their own eyes. This is now a 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:47.280 difficult challenge that we're forced to yet again believe that 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.520 the White House knows better than what the American people 0:20:50.520 --> 0:20:52.639 have seen with their own eyes, and that they have 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:56.640 dissuaded us from understanding what is happening. When you're absolutely right, 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:58.440 this is something we should have been able to track down, 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.560 be transparent about and get the info out for safety reasons. 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.480 And this is flying over your house or your community 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:05.200 to the people in New Jersey and the people of 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:08.520 America in a matter of hours, not days, and now 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:09.720 going on months. 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.639 Okay, So let me ask you, a drone this big, 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.520 the size of a bus, what would its capability be? 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.960 And more and more as time goes on and they 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:24.440 show a lack of urgency, Why do I suspect they 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:28.280 know exactly what these drones are doing, where they came from, 0:21:28.359 --> 0:21:32.359 they know everything about them, and maybe even they're the 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:34.800 ones that are testing them. Is that a possibility? 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:37.800 So, as an intelligence officer and a member of Congress, 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:39.600 let me be very clear about what we know, and 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:41.919 I'll speak to that verset. What we know is a 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.439 drone of that size, and it's been reported that some 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.080 of these may have been the size of and a 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.679 sub maybe even up to the size of a bus. 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:53.160 I don't know what. 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:56.000 Is flying over New Jersey right now because our federal 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.880 agency is responsible for this. The FAA and Homeland Security 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.679 have not been transparent with us. But any platform that size, 0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:07.680 whether it's hovering, whether it's a fixed wing, which would 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.159 mean like our version of a predator drone would be 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.119 able to carry a payload, as we've seen just in 0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:15.440 US operations over the Middle East, a hell fire type 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.720 of weapon if that were to be included. But we've 0:22:17.760 --> 0:22:23.080 also seen what are non traditional actors like the Iranians, 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:27.040 like the Chechens have done with drones. They've attached explosive 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:30.639 ordinance and been able to use these as suicide style drones. 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:33.760 They can go in target a vector very quickly and 0:22:33.920 --> 0:22:36.040 fly into a cause and impact. This is also at 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.919 a minimum a flight hazard. You're supposed to have an 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:42.439 FAA license to be able to pilot a non hobbyist drone, 0:22:42.720 --> 0:22:45.439 which is what the Homeland Security Department has told us. 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:48.200 These are not hobbyist drones before they told us they 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:53.399