WEBVTT - Ep. 79: Bear Grease [Render] - Oklahoma Sheriff, a Farrier, and Undercover Debrief 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.200 My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:21.400 the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render, where 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.639 we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the scenes 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:31.240 of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f HF Gear, 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:36.480 American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:44.000 to be as rugged as the places. We explore. What's 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:46.680 your phone with silent alban because you know we'll go 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:48.760 off album. What kind of wood are we burning? There? 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.600 That right there? I think that's some hackberry bigger stumps. 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:58.200 We're sitting around a hackberry fire. It's November the third 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.840 and we're in southeast so Lahoma. And you may have 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.960 heard of one week in November which is meat Eaters, 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:11.679 Meat Eaters Whitetail Show. We're down here whitetail hunt and uh, 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:16.000 I've got a very eclectic group of guests, um that 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:19.800 I'm going to introduce individually, Cherry. Do you know that 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.000 typically the Beargrease Render, which that's what this is. This 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:27.040 is the Render, So Beargrease podcast is where we where 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.240 we have a documentary style, big, robust story. The render 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.160 is where we just gather up a group of people 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:36.680 that talk about it. Typically there's there's one group of people, 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.679 which is my wife Brent Reeves, who now we all 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:46.240 suspect we're we're we're we're curious of his reasons for 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:51.760 being my friend, uh, my dad, um Josh Spellmaker, Misty Nukam, 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.680 my lovely wife. And then a sixth person that bounces 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.280 around from a lot of different people. For the last 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:02.080 several weeks, I've been on the road and so I've 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.360 been having renders with all kinds of different people, and 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.280 you get really people like that, but they're but there. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:13.280 They also like the regular crew. So anyway, it's it's 0:02:13.280 --> 0:02:16.920 good to be in southeast Oklahoma. I'm I'm being really 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:21.320 hosted here by Alvin and Sherry grigg Man. Alvin, I 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:25.240 was trying to think we met. I actually I almost 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.400 know exactly how long ago. It was seven years ago 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:31.920 because Fern, my plot coon hound, is eight years she'll 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:34.960 be eight on November eleven. And she was about a 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:39.320 year old, and she was a year and a half old. No, 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.320 she was younger than that she was. She was he 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.560 hadn't really even started in the woods yet. Really, you 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.960 called me because I had some uh Steve Hurdge bloodline 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.040 and bluff Creek and and actually actually the one we 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.160 had with Sherry's dog. But anyways, and Steve would give 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.640 you my number, and I remember she was she hadn't 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.320 really I mean, I just say she was x raight 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.000 months old. You know you started fooling with her, but 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.280 I don't think you'd actually been. I remember her first 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.040 cone she had treated Remember tell me remember telling well, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.120 I want to come back to that. I'm gonna introduce everybody, 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.960 but that's a big story and I want to tell it. 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:17.480 Alvin and Sherry, Grig Cherry say hi to everybody. Great Cherry, 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.720 it's this is gonna be fun having you on here. 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:23.600 So there to my right, directly to their left is 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.399 big dirty Dave Gardner. Dave, good to see man, good 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.720 to be here. This is your first time on the render, right, Yeah, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:35.600 first time caller, a longtime listener. Everybody here thinks Dave 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:39.080 looks like Dale Brisbee, so got the big stash and 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.720 pretty much. Yeah, so Dave, tell us what you do. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:49.160 I'm a photographer and camera guy. Yeah, me and Dave 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.320 have been we were counting today. We've been on five 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.880 shoots together. So you know, shoots that like last over 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.720 a week usually, so We've spent a lot of time 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:02.600 like standing like uncomfortably those together in a tree, a 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:07.080 tree together. Right. Uh, well, we're gonna get back to you. 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:12.600 Dave to my left, Brian Ringles, also known as Rhino Man, 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:16.280 you're the first official ferrier, real live fairier that we've 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.080 had on the podcast, and I got some questions for you, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.440 all right, I guess some answers. Good fairiers have a 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:27.159 lot of answers. I found that it may not be 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:31.240 fairiers that are passionate people, but the people that are 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:35.599 around farriers and equine people. Man, they see you doing 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.440 anything on a horse or mule hoof, you get a 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.719 lot of opinions, don't you. Yes, sir, very money? So 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:46.160 how long you've been chewing horses? I've been full time 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:50.560 eight years in this coming February eight years? Is that 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.839 a good profession? Being? It's been good to me. I 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:55.640 wish I would have started it when I was twenty 0:04:56.000 --> 0:05:01.200 and stead thirty or forty, but but yes, it's been 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.560 real good to me. Yeah. Do you shoot Alvin's horses 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.200 I have in the pass? Yes? Do you shoot your 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.080 own horses? Alvin? No? I tried one time. I was 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.799 gonna shoot my own and all I got was fronts. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.040 All I got was fronts. Yeah, as far as I 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:17.960 made it. Well, we're gonna have to come back to 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.560 the to the horse shoeing thing, all right, because I 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.919 got I got some questions, but I gotta finish. My 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:28.920 introduction to your left is Brian Jumpy. Yep, Brian, tell 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.640 us what you do. I'm the Coke County Sheriff, Cold County, Oklahoma. Yes, sir, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.920 you're the sheriff. Yes, we called in the law for 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:43.040 this man called outlaw. Well we had to. We had 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.960 to call him the law to talk about the outlaws. 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.279 How long you've been sheriff over here? Uh? Ten years? 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.280 I've been sheriff for ten years and uh been a 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:57.159 law enforcement seventeen Okay, And so being a sheriff is 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:01.760 an elected position. Yes, so you gotta be a politician. 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.640 I'm not too good of a politician, but good enough 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:09.640 to win an election. You know this is like I'm 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.200 a grown man and know this, but I've never really 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.720 heard anybody explain it. You have city police departments that 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:21.240 govern have jurisdiction inside of cities, and then sheriff departments 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:26.120 have jurisdictions inside of counties, and so they're taking care 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:30.919 of rural issues and rural people that aren't don't have 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.719 a specific assignment to a to a to a city. 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.320 Is that right? Right? We also work the city too. 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:42.000 We have jurisdiction in the whole county. Okay. Is there 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.880 anything that specific that a sheriff would do that just 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:48.320 like a city police officer wouldn't do, like types of 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.080 crimes or is it not? It's all but the same, 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:53.960 just all about the same. What what would you say? 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:58.120 You spend most of your time doing as sheriff, paperwork, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:02.760 office work, budget meetings. Really don't spend a lot of 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.239 time on the street, no more so. You're managing people, 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:10.360 managing the whole outfit. Is that? Is that good or bad? 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.400 Just got us good days and bad days, a lot 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:16.400 of bad days on it. But you're you're either on 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:20.119 top of the world on or on bottom. Yeah, snow 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.520 in between. Yeah, it's either going really good or really bad. Alvin, 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.280 how long have you known Brian? They call him Jumpy. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:33.960 I hesitated known him my entire life, and we've been 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:40.840 great friends for probably ninety five six about. We've been 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:42.840 a really close friends since then. But I've known him 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:44.200 when I was a little baby kid, you know what 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.320 I mean? Yeah, how you were gonna? You were? You 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:50.280 told me you you had a interesting entry point into 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:54.080 law enforcement. How how did you get into it? Ask 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:56.160 him A long story. I don't know if you've got 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.360 time to hear all of it. Yeah, we do. But 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.520 I never got a long good with law enforcement of 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.360 my whole life. And when I was about thirty four 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.000 years old, I had a buddy that was in law 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:09.760 enforcement and he come knocking on my door one day. 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:13.640 No open a door, and seeing my buddy he's standing 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.080 there in uniform, I thought, oh, that's this can't be good, 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:20.160 you know, And I said, what are you doing here? Jerry? 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.480 He tells me he said, well, we got a job 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.320 opening down here and see police and thought you got 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.040 the right temperament to make a good cop once you 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.160 put your application in. So now, said Jerry, I don't 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.839 even like cops. You said, I don't. I don't think 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:36.319 I want to be one. He goes, well, just come 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:38.400 out and ride with us a couple of weekends and 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.680 see if you like it. I got to riding with 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.680 him on the weekends. I got to lacking it. I 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.520 thought back in was all hog hunting a lot, so 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.040 this is a whole lot like hog hunting. You go 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.280 catch a bad guy, tie him up and throw him 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.439 in a pin like like we catch a hog, tie 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:58.079 up and throw the hog in a pin, keep him 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.199 and then uh, I eventually got hired on. It took 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:01.520 a while I get hired on't when I got hired 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:05.080 on about a year later. That's thirty five as well, 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:10.360 like RT. Yeah, and uh, I thought, man, that's gonna 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.880 be the best job ever. I'll be able to work 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:18.360 evening shift in the after work on coon hunt all night. Hmm. 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.480 Now coon hunt all night and I sleep biggest part 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:21.599 a day and get up and go to work and 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:24.280 catch bad guys and go coon hing again. It sounds 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:26.080 like a good plan. It's a good plan. It didn't 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:29.000 work out that good, though. If you had any guesses 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.120 of why this sheriff is the first sheriff on the 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:36.440 burgarys Render podcast, you've just heard why this man's a 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:43.679 coon hunter hog hunter? It used to be a carry on. Well, 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.160 that's really about it. I got I got started, and 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:52.120 when I got started good, I thought, well, I'm gonna 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.840 be sheriff one day. Really, So that that was like 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.120 a career ambition. You were like, I want to be 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:02.160 the sheriff, and here I am. So what's it take 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:07.560 to be a good chriff? Patience? You know, you gotta 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.400 have good deputies, your deputies. This is what makes a 0:10:10.440 --> 0:10:13.280 good cheer. You ain't got good deputies, you don't have 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:17.640 a good cheer, right, yeah, yeah, So you got to 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.839 manage your team, right. How many deputies do you have 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.000 here in this county? I usually have about nine. I'm 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:26.760 sure handed right now because I've had to get rid 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.320 of some of them. Yeah, big Dave, you got any 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:35.800 questions for for Brian? Any law enforcement questions? Actually we 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:40.440 were talking about this earlier, Clay. Uh. Now, why if 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:43.000 you were pull somebody over and you're looking at their 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:47.160 license and registration, would you ask them to come and 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.320 sit in the front seat of a car with him? 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.959 Depends on the person. If you look like a shady 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:59.120 individual and I thought you or if I thought you 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:01.760 was holding dope or been drinking and bat you back 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.320 to the car. A lot of times to sit in 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:04.760 the car with a sit in a car with me. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.920 They train you not to do that, but that's a 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:09.360 good way to get him in a car. And go 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.640 talking to him. You can smell alcohol on them where, 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.360 you know, get talking to him and my hasn't open 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:19.360 the pocket, can talk him how the dope probably get 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.120 a little more nervous sitting back there with you, don't 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.160 you know. So tell him your story. And I mean 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.959 basically me and had had the same story. Just had 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:33.080 random like a totally normal traffic stop. Go ahead. Oh yeah, 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:34.679 I was just working a gig one night. I was 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.120 filming filming a show and on the way out of there, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.360 I rolled through a stop sign and sure enough, there's 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.480 a copyright there. And yeah, he asked me to come 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:46.120 and sit in the front suite of his car while 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:50.640 he was checking my license and registration insurance. And then 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.320 he didn't even give you a ticket, didn't even give 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:53.920 me a ticket, let me off with the warning. Yeah, 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:59.200 nice guy. It was the Mullet bill. It was now 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.880 I had the same thing happened, and uh, I think 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:04.000 I was in South Dakota and had a state trooper 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.079 pulled me over the middle of the day. I was 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:07.839 going just a few miles over the speed limit and 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.200 he he was he was real nice and we've been 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.600 hunting in Canada and he was he was like, hey, 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.520 you were going a few miles over, no big deal, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.120 but we like to keep it, you know, right there 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:21.920 on the limit. And gave him everything and he was like, hey, 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:23.880 come sitting in the car with me. And I was 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.599 just like it kind of wigged me out. I was like, 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.360 what are we doing here? Man? And anyway, he just 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.000 and when I got the car, he just we talked 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.160 about hunting for like twenty minutes in his car. Probably 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.360 a fan. No, no, this was some years ago. This 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:43.800 was years ago, years ago. But it's checking me out. 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.680 He didn't just want to chat with me. He had suspicions. 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.640 I'll be done. What's what's the main thing going on 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:59.240 around here that you guys are enforcing in terms of 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:04.080 the law, Uh, drugs and stealing, just theft and drugs 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:10.240 they go hand in hand. Really yeah, yeah, that Germaine 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:16.079 crimes tround here Staffton drugs, theft and drugs. Well, that's 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.800 that's really interesting. I look forward to hearing your thoughts 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.160 on r T. I gotta tell you guys the story. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.720 RT called me on the way here, like after dark, 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.280 driving here and r T. You know, I mean, in 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:33.679 our conversation, like we're it see we're just like buddies, 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.400 you know, talking. But it surprised me to see his 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.120 name come up on my on my on my phone 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:44.319 and uh so I picked it up and he's he 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:48.079 I should have known he was trying to get me. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.360 But he said, Clay, how you doing man? And he 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.960 was real serious and I said, I'm doing good. He said, 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:55.880 I got a problem. This is the first time he's 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:58.640 called me since the podcast came out. He said, I 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:03.480 got a problem. And I said, oh man, that's not good. 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.960 What what's going on? And he said, man, ever since 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:11.200 that podcast came out, I've been getting threats. I've uh, 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.040 I've already got one, two, three, four, I mean, and 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.920 I just was thinking, oh no, I've got this guy 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.480 in trouble. And uh he let me thank it for 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.600 a minute and then he was like, clut. You know, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.760 I made a living lying, right, And then he started 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.240 laughing and he he had some guys in there that 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.680 was he has a he has a he's an outfitter, 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:37.520 and he had a bunch of guys hunting with him. 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.240 But anyway, and outfit, now, yeah, he is, he sure is. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:47.520 I wouldn't trust him. He lies. Yep. Hey, y'all are 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.120 all hog hunting buddies. And that's the reason I know 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:55.320 Alvin is Uh is from hounds and Uh. I've said 0:14:55.400 --> 0:15:00.360 this to Alvin before, but I'll say it again. I Alvin, 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:04.800 what little I know about hounds, A lot of it 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.480 came from talking to album. Now, we've never hound hunted together. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.640 Y'all have come up and squirrel hunted with me. We 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.120 we've never I've never heard hunted with you. But that 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.160 going back to our original conversation of when we met. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.080 I had called you about trying to get a plot 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:24.240 and UH and you we talked on the phone for 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.720 basically the first two years of Ferns life. I was 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:31.640 giving you the play by play what she was doing, 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:37.120 and Uh, you were really good at articulating the hound world. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:39.960 The first first time we made you when you come 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.280 to dog pain, well that's the first time I would 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:48.880 have seen you get talking about these dogs. I mean, 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:50.880 I'm gonna sit here and say, yeah, I told to 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.720 you every thing. You know what, if you any questions 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:55.800 you asked me, if I felt like I had to 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.040 answer you know, I would try to do the best 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.320 I could do to answer you know what. I mean 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:01.840 a lot of stuff you were saying, you know, might 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:03.960 have been some of the first experiences you had. I mean, 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:05.720 I know you came hunt before, but some of the 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:07.240 stuff you were explaining to me, you know, I had 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:08.720 seen before, and I was like, well, I think this 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.440 is actually what's going on. You know, don't be too 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.120 concerned about it or whatever. You know, it's just kind 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.880 of general conversation that I have with anybody, or you'd 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.960 have with anybody if you knew. Yeah, and y'all do this. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.160 This is hog country, man. They're pretty much hogs all 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.440 over this part of the world pretty much. Brian, tell 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.280 me how Tell me about your schedule as a fairer, 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.920 Like how many how many horses are you shooting every day? Oh? 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.240 I try to keep it if I'm shooting something all 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.080 the way around, you know, in the five or six 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.400 a day range, and then if I'm trimming, I'll try 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.280 to cut it off around twenty, you know, in the 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.760 fifteen to twenty. I keep most of my clients on 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:52.080 a six weeks rotating schedule. Six weeks rotating schedule. You 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.920 gotta have a tight schedule. I mean you you you 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.840 gotta manage it to get people in there, and and 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:03.640 and that seems like a the ferriers I've worked with, 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.560 that's been a challenge for me to be to fit 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.480 their schedule. It can be tough. You know, you got 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.240 a joke. Life happens to everybody, So you gotta juggle 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.840 all of their schedules into yours, you know. I mean 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:20.680 they have families, things come up, dr appointments, what have you. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.720 You know, so you're gonna gotta juggle all that. But 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:30.760 it's it's doable. Yeah. Um so I trim just the 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:37.440 front feet of my mule. Back feet typically stay pretty tight. 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.960 Is that okay? That I don't ever trim our back feet? Yeah? 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:45.840 You You normally won't have as much trouble with the 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:49.439 back feet because the horse carries six sevent of their 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:54.520 weight on the front end. Uh, the majority of your 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.520 problems come in the front. You know. I'm not saying 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.480 you never need to trim the back, but it's generally 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.960 doesn't The problems won't show up there as quickly. Yeah. Yeah, 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.679 kind of like the front tires on your truck wearing 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:10.399 out before the back tires. Yeah, you buy new tires. 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:11.880 You put them on the front and put th old 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:13.920 was on the back. That's just buy two at a time. 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.120 That's right. That's the way y'all do it here. Yeah, 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:29.760 that's right, Alvin tell me and Sherry, Sherry, Never in 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:33.560 my life have I heard Sherry grig not talk in 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:38.320 like a span as long as we've heard that. So Sherry, 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.760 I need to hear from you too. There's two things 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.600 that you should never put on social media. Two things. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:48.359 One of them is anything that has to do with 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:52.840 bee keeping. Okay, if you have a bee hive, keep 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:58.440 it to yourself. No, no, I mean no, I don't 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.200 know if they'll steal it. You will get more advice 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:05.160 than you know what to do. With passionate advice. Beekeepers 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.440 are the most passionate people. They'll they'll stalk you, they'll 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.200 want to come to your house, they'll private message you 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.760 from like every angle possible to try to get you 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.240 to tell you, you know, like this thing you're doing. 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:22.200 They're passionate people. And then the other group is horse people. 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:27.000 So I had a couple of videos just I mean, man, 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.119 I had a farrier that was coming to my house. 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:34.480 He came probably four times and and just random times 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.479 to put shoes on my mule when I was going 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.879 out west. And he was a real nice guy, and 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:40.720 he was just like Clay, you ought to be able 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:42.280 to do this yourself, he said, I'll teach you how 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.439 to do it. And so he just showed me how 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:46.359 to trim her feet and how to put shoes on 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.239 her a couple of times, and I just watched him 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.840 and ask questions. So ever since then, I've done it 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:57.000 myself and so I put randomly, we'll put a little 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:01.720 video up of me trimming. Is these feet right? And 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:06.359 it's it's like the sky fell people people going wild. 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.040 I need to show you that video. Tell me if 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:14.360 I'm making a train wreck. Well, she still, she's still sam, 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:17.120 She's still going, and you're doing something right. A little 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.040 bit on social media you can push block and you've 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.639 listen to crap. I hear you. So, Sherry, tell me 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.240 about your dogs. What kind of dogs do you have? 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.439 Plot hound in the Corky plot in a corky Tell 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.480 me tell me about your dogs. I love my dogs 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:35.080 are awesome. What what's the bloodline like in your hog 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.359 hunting with them? What? What tell me about them? A 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:41.320 lot on our bloodline, aren't They were off across We 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.280 got some dough. I got a female from Jerry Gas now, 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.639 several years ago, she would have been about she's alive, 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.760 she'd have been about ten probably. She's Jeep's mama and 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.399 Jeep is uh fixing me eight, So yeah, she'd have 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.280 been about ten probably, if she's still alive. And pretty 0:20:57.359 --> 0:20:59.080 much everything I got, I mean, we can trace it 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:03.119 back to her, you know, I mean yeah, and uh 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.240 we pretty much bred her offspring, you know, to outside males, 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:09.320 you know, and then bread them back to our dogs 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:13.280 and some mom's family tree. Don't forecat awful good, but 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:18.200 it's well, that's what I think works good. You're the 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.720 name of your kennel. What's on the papers of all 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:24.879 your plots is how do you pronounce that? That's the 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:28.439 name of this community right now. When it was Indian Territory, 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.439 when uh it was in in territory, this was called Okeney. 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:34.359 And when we share her first moved here, which moved here, 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.240 I uh several years ago. There used to be a 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:38.800 little school that was down there, and they moved it 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:40.480 over to Clarita. And it's right down here to corner 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:42.359 if you go straight north right here at our place. 0:21:42.760 --> 0:21:44.960 The county road curves in that corner right there. Was 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.600 considered opening there was a school there and it stood 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:49.159 there for several years until a few years from me 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:50.480 and sure I got married, they moved it over here 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:53.520 to Clarita. It's it has since fall out and everything, 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:56.920 but there's actually still a graveyard back in there. And 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.760 he moved here. I'll love here since twelve. Surely you 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:01.879 live right in this area just with my mom and 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:03.760 dad's place. And we lived next door and tell my 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.680 mom dad passed away, got married, we bought the place 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.360 that John's next to here. Okay, yeah, and I've lived 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.800 here with her, Sherry for twenty years, but she's lived 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.960 here like safe for five. Let's don't talk about that. 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:23.359 So hey, Alan described for me the the plothound world, 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.480 like like these guys like Roy Clark, like a lot 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:28.280 of people would have heard me talk about Roy Clark 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:31.160 in East Tennessee that has Laurel Mountain plots and then 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:36.960 but you have the same thing going here with you. 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.680 What I'm saying is described described kind of like how 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:49.800 how groups with these line bred people are. People want 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:51.960 their their stuff, and their stuff's the best, and they 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:57.760 don't like to outsources. Well it's not so much the best, 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.560 it's just that I mean there's so many when you're 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.720 raising dogs, there's so many pups in a litter, you know, 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.399 you obviously can't keep them all, and you want to 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:09.280 know what they do and how they performed to kind 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.399 of keep kind of quality control on your on your product. 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.320 You know, what you're what you're producing, what the bloodline 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.399