1 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: It's really more fundamental. I think that that maybe what 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: you're suggestion, which is this tour made you who you are. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: The opportunities that this PGA Tour gave you made you 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: who you are, and you're turning your back on it. 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: I got in my head. Can't get Jan nothing think 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about. Can't get him not to think 7 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about. Hello, this is Alan Chip Knock 8 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: back for another Fire Drill podcast. I am joined by 9 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: Ryan French and Michael Bamberger. We want to convene convene 10 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: this discussion because it's the opening day of the new 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: PGA Tour season, which sounds impossible since they just put 12 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: it out at the Tour Championship. It feels like anyway, 13 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: lots of big stuff happened at Wentworth. UH Live Chicago 14 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: is going to kick off later this week. Just seemed 15 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: like this was the moment to get up to up 16 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: to date on everything happening in the golf world. So Michael, Ryan, 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: thank you for being here. Um, Mike, let's talk about 18 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: the finish at Wentworth. It was it was a bang 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: bang finished. You had you had Rory McElroy, you had 20 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: John rom and then Shane Lowry prevailed. I mean it 21 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,919 Speaker 1: seems like like somehow the Wentworth Event has really become 22 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: elevated to a different stratosphere in recent years. What is 23 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: your take on on that tournament and where it fits 24 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: into the larger golf landscape. Was that a registered trademard 25 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 1: trademark you said the word elevated, Yeah, Capital E. Craig. Okay, 26 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: it felt like an elevated event. I mean except for 27 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: one big except fifty four holes. It's like everything plays 28 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: towards live in the end. But it was great. I mean, 29 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: it's a it's a well known and excellent golf course, 30 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: a well known, excellent field, and it kind of proves 31 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: the point that less would be more if we had 32 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: fewer events with more named players on courses you know, 33 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: don't care about, you would have better professional golf. That's 34 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: not where we are. But for that one week, it 35 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: was great and it was neat to see the difference 36 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: to the Queen. Uh. Ryan and I have been talking 37 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: about it. We don't really get it, but we get 38 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: we get that they get it and they're doing what 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: they're doing. So it was it was a great moment 40 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: for golf in an unexpected time. Yes, Bryan, what's the 41 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: view from Middle America about postponing a golf tournament in 42 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: UH in mourning of the passing of the Queen. My 43 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to spend twelve hours in a 44 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: car over the last two days prior to Friday and 45 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: setting Wednesday and Thursday with Michael Bamberger, and we discussed 46 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: a wide ranging things. But obviously the Queen came up, 47 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: and I mean, I just she was ninety six. I mean, 48 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's I don't get it. So and so 49 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: we broke out into the song. Yeah, we're saying Elton John. Okay, 50 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: you can say the sex pistols that Elton John's more preferable. No, 51 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: we we yeah, but we don't get it, but we yeah, 52 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: Michael said it perfectly. We don't get it, but we 53 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: get that other people get it. Uh, delaying sports and 54 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: all that seems wild to me. Uh, but I mean 55 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm not English, So I mean I heard this, you 56 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: know about Pete Roselle, the old the longtime NFL commissioner 57 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: like the biggest regret of his career was that they 58 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: played football after JFK's assassination and that he felt like 59 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: they should have shut it down, and uh, you know, 60 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: I don't think the discourse that I landed onto it 61 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't have really been disrespectful to play the golf tournament, 62 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: but it was a gowing of respect, not too and 63 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: so in that regard, you know, a president getting shot 64 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: in the ninety six year old woman dying are two wild? 65 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: Just I mean, you know, okay, we don't have to 66 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: go down this rabbit hole, but okay, it was. What 67 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: I loved about the event is that golf has like 68 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: true drama now and Taylor Gooch being in the mix, 69 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: and and and Patrick read being in the mix, like 70 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: it's somewhat kind of wrestling, like I mean, it is, 71 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: you know, uh, it's it's really wild that in golf 72 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: we have like true drama, true hatred, like true I mean, 73 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: I was, I I'm kind of indifferent on live, but 74 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: like I was rooting for a live guy just to 75 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: see the awkwardness of the the trophy exchange and the 76 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: awkwardness of the of the interview and awkwardness of Pelly 77 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: giving him the check. I was rooting for just Al 78 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: and that's what we like to hear is new to 79 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: the business, but he's rooting for the story. Well played, 80 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: young man. Well played indeed, Yes, yeah, Ryan is is 81 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: he gets it. We root for chaos. That's our only. 82 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: We don't care what the humans evolved. We're just rooting 83 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: for anarchy. Yeah, that was that was funny. I mean, 84 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: Taylor good, I don't think they showed a shot of 85 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: his the whole final day with unbelievable He's raising on 86 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: the board same as read the pettiness is unbelievable. I mean, 87 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: what you know, Patrick Reid has actually been a great 88 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: supporter of the European Tour. He's been playing over there 89 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: a lot in the last five years, and he's he's 90 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: got the box office from all the Ryder Cup dust ups. 91 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: Like I would think that the global golf audience would 92 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: kind of like to see him hitting a few shots. 93 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: But alan with all do hold hold on, I gotta 94 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: make a quick point here, right if I may, With 95 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: all due respect, he is not a great supporter of 96 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: the European Tour or anything except for getting paid. He 97 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: plays there to get paid. It all goes, it all 98 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: goes the other way. Uh. I don't think he's buying 99 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: the flag of the United States or anything other than 100 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: his his bank accounts. So I do take exception of 101 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: that if I may, But you comment away as you 102 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: may wish. But I do have a quick question for you. 103 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: Had this tournament come the full seventy two scheduled holes, 104 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: who do you? Who do you? How do you think 105 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: it might have played out? Probably wrong? Wins by five um, 106 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,559 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's interesting both Rom and Rory 107 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: have been playing at such a high level, but they're 108 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: just not getting the winds. I mean, there's I've seen 109 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: all these graphs about McIlroy's play since the Masters, and 110 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: it's terrific. It's nothing but but but he's been in 111 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: contention every single week, but he's won only twice, which 112 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: you know, including getting skunked at the Majors. It's like, 113 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: it's so, I know it's hard to win. We all 114 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: know it's hard to win, but when you're up there 115 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: that often sometimes you just gotta grab the MOFO trophy. 116 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,119 Speaker 1: And so I mean all credit to Rory for flying 117 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: across the ocean and bringing his a game again. You know, 118 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: he's playing in Italy this week. It's not a terman 119 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: he has to play, but he is a supporter of 120 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: the European Tour. But it's um it's kind of frustrating 121 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: to see him in contention all the time but not winning. 122 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: Our expectations too high. I don't know, Michael, tell you, 123 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: I don't know who ruder mc roy is. Well, you 124 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: know I this has been said before and probably by 125 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: all three of us. Um. The one that got away, 126 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: of course is that British Open and it didn't really 127 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: get away. The guy shot thirty on him in on 128 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: the back nine, and you know, no lead to safe 129 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: when when the guy who's uh staring down his his 130 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: shooting thirty on the back nine. Um, but he can't 131 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: not say he doesn't have a Sunday problem. A fifty 132 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: four whole events a little different and it would have 133 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: been very interesting to see how to play it out. UM. 134 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: I have the feeling he might well have risen to 135 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: the occasion, but Guch might have as well, so who knows, 136 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: But it can't not be in his head at this point. 137 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: And of course, when you're a mega talent uh like 138 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: wory Roy is and you're not getting it done with 139 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: the regularity that you should when you're in contention holes 140 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: or sixty three holes like Tiger was. Literally let's say 141 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: a hundred and ten times in his career and got 142 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: it done three quarters of those times. Let's say, um, 143 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: I can't not be in his head and it's gonna 144 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: show up at the most in opportunity moments like it 145 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: did at the Old Course. Yeah, real quickly one Michael 146 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: Bamberger just called the Open Championship the British Open too. Uh. 147 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: Do you think that there's this is a real question 148 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: that that. Do you think there's more pressure on Rory 149 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: now because of this divide in progolf that he is 150 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: truly the face of the PGA Tour for the most part. 151 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: I think people look to him as obviously with Tiger 152 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: not playing that Rory's the true face of the tour 153 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: now that these have they've divided. Do you think there's 154 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: more pressure any any than there was even before. I 155 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: don't know if that's possible, but just feels like with 156 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: this divide that he's become kind of the face and 157 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: him not cleaning up on Sundays seems to maybe, you know, 158 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: hurt a little bit. I asked him basically that same 159 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: question at the Tour Championship few weeks ago, and he said, 160 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: you know, all this advocacy and putting myself out there 161 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: it's energizing when when you get things done and things 162 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: are going your way, and it's really draining when when 163 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: it goes the other direction. And so I think there's 164 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: something there. What you're what you're What you're hinting at, 165 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: Ryan is I think it's easy for you know, Roy's 166 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: been doing this for a long time, and I think 167 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,959 Speaker 1: this is this has gotten his his engine rebbed a 168 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: little bit and he's fired up and he's probably more 169 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: ready to play than he has been. But yeah, all 170 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you keep throwing yourself out there and 171 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: it's not happening in that internal battle that Michael was 172 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: talking about. Um, I think I think it's helping him 173 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: and it's hurting him simultaneously, if that makes sense. I'd 174 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: just like to say I'd love Shane Lowry. He's all 175 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: in on like the discourse in between the two tours. 176 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he's all in. He's like, I don't talk 177 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: to those other guys. Uh. He has taken this, it 178 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: seems pretty personally as I think a lot of players have, 179 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: but maybe not publicly, and and Shane is fully in 180 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: publicly that this is. Yeah, He's like, Hey, I don't 181 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: talk to those people. Anymore that some of them means 182 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: to be my friends and now I don't talk to 183 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: him at all. So I love that that he's kind 184 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: of taking a personal edge and taking it publicly too. It's, 185 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: as you say, it's fun to dive into Bryant. Bryan, 186 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: do you have an insight into why he feels so 187 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: strongly because he didn't grow up on that, He didn't 188 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: grow up on our pH A Tour d pH A Tour. 189 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: Do you have any insight as to why he feels 190 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: that way? No, I don't, but I mean I think 191 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: through all of this, the dp World Tour or the 192 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: European Tour has I mean, they've kind of admitted that 193 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: they're a feeder tour, and I think if you grew 194 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: up on like, wouldn't Shane and Uh, those guys grew 195 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,719 Speaker 1: up they didn't think of it at all like that, 196 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: And the PGA tour has kind of made him feel 197 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: like that in my opinion, they've kind of accepted it, 198 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: in my opinion, and so the defections have hurt most. 199 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: I would say of the three tours we're talking about, 200 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: live PGA Tour and the European the European Tour that 201 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: it's hurt the European Tour by far the most, and 202 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: so maybe he takes it more personally because it's really 203 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: affected the tour, the European Tour the most in minds. 204 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: That's good insight, but it's also weird because like Michael 205 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: and I both worked at Golf Magazine golf dot Com 206 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: in the last few years. We both we both left 207 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: it um for a better situation, clearly, but we see 208 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: our old colleagues in the press room and we we 209 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: wrap out with them like we you know, we bumped 210 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: him on a golf course during the Open week, and 211 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: we're happy to see each other. Like there's no animosity 212 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: even though we're repudiating their place of business and we 213 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: may in fact put them out of business at some point. 214 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: But um, it's like I'm on some level that all 215 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: these players are taking it so personally. I find it 216 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: a little weird, Like who cares? Like you're making money, 217 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: they're making money. Everyone's playing golf for living, Like what's 218 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: the big deal? Like it's great, it's a gift from 219 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: the content gods. Yet again, but when when you you know, 220 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: people change jobs all the time, and I don't I 221 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: agree with that. I mean, you can agree disagree with 222 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: it on a political sense obviously, like the Saudi Arabia 223 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: standpoint that's been you know, like hashed out. But like, 224 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, is anyone really mad 225 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: that Harold Varner got thirty million and took it or 226 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: whatever that number was, Like, is anyone mad? Like you 227 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: can be mad that he left the PGA Tour, but 228 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: like Harold was amazingly honest about it. He's like, hey, 229 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: I will never be able to make this money on 230 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: the PGA tour. It's going to change my kids and 231 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: my kids kids life. It's generational money, and I took it. 232 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Like I don't know who on the PGA Tour would 233 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: be like, wow, what an asshole? You know, they'd be 234 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: like yeah, I kind of get it. Yeah, it's an 235 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: interesting phenomenon. And like I'm so I'm going to live Chicago, 236 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: and my intention is to write about Taylor Gooch, who 237 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: was basically a nonentity on the PGA Tour. He was 238 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: a nice young player that nobody knew about or cared about, 239 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: it seemed like, and now he's at the center of 240 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: every storm, and you know, his contract got leaked to 241 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal He figured very prominently in the 242 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: temporary restraining order hearing when when he was trying to 243 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: barge his way into the FedEx Cup, goes over to Wentworth, 244 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: where it's been made clear to him that a lot 245 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: of players don't want him there. He plays his ass off. 246 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 1: Has risen now back to the mid thirties in the 247 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: world ranking, probably has enough points that he'll secure a 248 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: Master's bid by by still being in the top fifty 249 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: eight years end. And it's like Taylor Goocha somehow become 250 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: the most important people in professional golf all of a sudden. 251 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: It's wild and I'm here for it. Well, you see, 252 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: I would. That's a good point, and it's interesting. And yeah, 253 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: I didn't even know how to pronounce scooches surname or 254 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 1: we given name prior to this whole thing. Uh so, 255 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: I you're right, it's just a kind of a nice player. 256 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: It was interesting that Davis, I think, even Alan when 257 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: you and I had him on Davis, you know, I 258 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: can't recall the timing, but I know what Davis this 259 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: at one point like I really hope this kid doesn't go. 260 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: And that was interesting to me that Davis cared so much. 261 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: But ran just go back to your point for a second. 262 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: I see Harold Varner or anybody else differently. This partly 263 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: reflects my own my own feeling about the thing, and 264 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: partly reflects those who are super traditionalists. I support the 265 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: PGA tour types like a Fred Couples or Davis Love 266 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: or any number of any number of other people. It's 267 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: really more fundamental. I think that that maybe what you're suggesting, 268 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: which is this tour made you who you are. The 269 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: opportunities that this PGA tour gave you made you who 270 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: you are, and you're turning your back on it um 271 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: And I think some people, just in the most basic level, 272 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: some people resent that. Michael, I agree with you. I'm 273 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: not I'm not again. I mean, I obviously don't support 274 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: like I first of all at the Saudi government side, 275 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: but let's just go with no cut, fifty four holes 276 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: guaranteed money you everyone knows listening. That's not my cup 277 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: of tea. So I have no support of the live tour. 278 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: But this is true in any other sport, I mean, 279 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: every other sport, Like there is no loyalty that that's gone, 280 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I know Albert Pools is back 281 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: with the Cardinals. But he left the Cardinals, and uh, 282 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, every major sports star in every 283 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: major sport besides golf leaves. I mean, for the most part, 284 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: very few people play one place in one career. It's 285 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: new to golf. So I get that people are torn. Obviously, 286 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: the the political side of it makes it even more. 287 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: But like at the end of the day, is is, uh, 288 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: if Stephen Curry leaves the Warriors, is anybody on the 289 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: Warriors are really gonna be mad? No, Because when they're 290 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: in a free agent and they get a big check 291 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: to go to another team, they're gonna go. So I 292 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate what you're saying, Michael, I agree with what 293 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: you're saying. I just don't think that. I just don't 294 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: think it's that Like, I just don't see why the 295 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: players are so mad about it. The franchise in the 296 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: NBA is the NBA, not so much the individual team. 297 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: Individual fans of individual cities are going to be annoyed 298 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: and and upset. Um, but the NBA is not gonna 299 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: not gonna hurt as a result. Here is more in 300 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: the front to the actual league itself. Leaving the league 301 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: to go to another league. You know pool hosts had 302 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: gone to Japan and then wanted to come back, come 303 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: back from Major League Baseball, that would be roughly more 304 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: of the equivalent not not staying within the major league 305 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: team fair. Yeah, that's that's that is a distinction. But 306 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, if if you grew up 307 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: rooting for a team and they draft a young player 308 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: and they nurture him, they develop him, and they pour 309 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: all these resources into make him a great player, and 310 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: then he leaves for another team like that, that's sort 311 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: of analogous as well. So I think the metaphor of 312 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: works either way. But it's um, it's just yeah, it's 313 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: amazing how this just keeps going and uh, the you know, 314 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: all the guys playing over the pettiness is amazing, Like 315 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: taking camp Smith's picture down, Like what are we doing? 316 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: Like we're we're children. Were like it's amazing and I'm 317 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: here for it. I mean, like, is that really what 318 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: we're doing? Like we have to go out now. The 319 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: PGA tour has a million things to worry about. And 320 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: that someone called somebody at at Sagrass and was like, 321 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: you gotta take camps parking passed down? I mean, is 322 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: the next level pettiness. Um, well, Ryan, how how would 323 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: you have voted on Player of the Year Shuffler versus 324 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: Cam or anybody else you might suggest? I would have 325 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: voted for Carl you want from the corn Ferry Tour. 326 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: Don't I'm not voting for uh. I mean it's probably Scottie, 327 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: but I don't. Honestly, Michael, this is the honest truth. 328 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 1: I don't watch outside of the majors. Don't watch very 329 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: much PG tour golf unless a a the grinder of 330 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: some sort is in in place like Wentworth is. I 331 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: watched three holes. I just don't have much The rich 332 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: getting richer is just not that much interest that of 333 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: interest to me. I understand. I always say this is 334 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: people get on this and go oh, I can't believe it, 335 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: Like I understand why people want to watch it. I 336 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: get it. I'm talking personally. Watching the million dollars he 337 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: wanted Wentworth changes his life zero. The only reason it 338 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: has a little more meaning is because of the drama 339 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: in UH in golf right now, and and the fact 340 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: that he people really really even the top players really 341 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: really want to win now. To stick it to the 342 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: other tour it lived, guys want to live, you know, 343 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: stick it to the PGA guys and the European guys 344 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 1: and vice versus. So I do like that part of it. 345 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: There is a sense of uh drama that um that 346 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: wasn't there before. I mean when Billy Horshell won last year, 347 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: no one really cared, you know. I mean it's all 348 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: these tournaments have some meaning because of the discourse. And 349 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that point up, Michael, because you 350 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: wrote an excellent column for Firepit Collective dot com about 351 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: the Player of the Year voting and um, I personally 352 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: would have given the award to camp Smith. I mean, 353 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: he had one of the signature blowouts of the year, 354 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: um to start in at Cappela, which is I think 355 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: one of the best courses on tour. And then you know, 356 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: the PGA Tours hurting themselves in this debate because they've 357 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: insisted for so long now that the Players should be 358 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: a major championship. Well, in that case, camp Smith won 359 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: two majors. You know, he won the Players and and 360 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: he won the biggest term of the year, which is 361 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: the Open at St. Andrews. That's bigger than the Masters, 362 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: It's bigger than the US Open. When the Open is 363 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: at St. Andrews is a crown jewel of the support 364 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: and every player talked about it, and and Cam won 365 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: that and a legendary performance. And you know, Scheffler was terrific, 366 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: but um, he could have ended the debate at the 367 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: Door Championship and he kind of shrank from the moment. 368 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: And um, you know, for me, camp camp Smith is 369 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: a Player of the Year. And when the writers Associate 370 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: of America we get our ballots, that's what I'm gonna 371 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: vote for, um, And so we once again the writers 372 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: may have to rectify or wrong, but there was there 373 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: was a, of course, a political undercurrent to the player 374 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: of that you're voting is Ryan is suggesting like tease 375 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: that out a little bit, Michael, like, how did how 376 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: did this current moment get reflected in the Player of 377 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: the Year. You know it really it's a really interesting debate, 378 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: and I'm totally with you. And open anywhere is obviously 379 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: a great, great achievement, but an open up the old course, 380 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: rises to to another level. And I would say, just 381 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: in term of a crowning achievement of one's career, it 382 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: is more significant to win an open. It's kind of 383 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: ridiculous to say, but it's harder to win an open 384 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: up the old course. It's a bigger field, it's a 385 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: tougher field, it's a quirkier golf course. Um. You know, 386 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: as you know, because you're you're in the piece. And 387 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: we had this discussion. Uh, we've been down this store 388 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: before where where these votes have gotten politicized and all 389 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: on to your point, not to rehash the whole thing, 390 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: but two thousand and thirteen, tire at a funky year 391 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: won five times on the PGA Tour and by a 392 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: vote of his PGA Tour brethren, was named player Player 393 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: of the Year. But the writers who look at or 394 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: in our case, uh, the golf writers descciation of America. Um, 395 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: we're supposed to look at the whole year, playing the 396 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: whole world, and we voted for Adam Scott is Player 397 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: of the Year. I have a big memory that he 398 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: won in Australia once or maybe more than once that year. Um. 399 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: But as as we've been discussing allan, it shows how 400 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: this live PHA tour thing has been has politicized and 401 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: its tentacles are reaching all through golf and we're definitely 402 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: gonna see it at the next Major, which not the 403 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: Prisidon's Cup, which not major, but the uh but the 404 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: Masters if it's down the stretch, if it's Taylor Gooch 405 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 1: and Bubba Watson and Dustin Johnson, and then you know 406 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: Rory McElroy and you know guys who are bedrock PHA 407 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: Tour supporters. Uh, you know that Augustine National is gonna 408 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: be rooting its body muff for a PGA Tour player 409 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: to win. Uh where that would not have been the case, 410 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: you know, hid Deck or anybody else, that would not 411 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: have been the case a year ago. Well and yeah, 412 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,479 Speaker 1: the the it's in your piece, but like to me, 413 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: this player of the year, the result is the beginning 414 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: of how we have to rethink all these traditional status 415 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: markers in golf, because what does it mean to get 416 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: the world to number one in the world ranking right 417 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: now when the best player in the world, Kemp Smith, 418 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: is not going to be a cruing points? And what 419 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: does you mean to get in the top fifty when 420 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: there's a dozen top fifty players playing live who are 421 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 1: who are not getting points and so um, if you 422 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: if you win, if you win PGA Tour events going 423 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: forward doesn't have the same meaning. Is in in the 424 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: old days, you know, like to say the peak Tiger, Like, 425 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: let let's say some kid comes along next year and 426 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: uh or any player for that matter wins like nine times, 427 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: and they're comparing it to like the great PGA Tour 428 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: seasons of all time. Well, it doesn't have the same 429 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: meaning because some top players aren't there now. Um And 430 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: so yeah, no that's or no, so we got when 431 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: when you were posting that, were you saying I'm the 432 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: pH A Tour or or on the Lift Tour. Well 433 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: either way either Yeah, winning at PGA Tour event doesn't 434 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: mean as much if you don't have to beat Dustin Johnson, 435 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: Brooks Kepka and Cam Smith and all these other guys. Um. 436 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: And of course, you know, I saw some discourse around 437 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: Taylor Goots how well he's playing, you know, great finish 438 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: that wentworth and he's finished top ten and all four 439 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: live events, and it's really the first time I've seen 440 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: that even cited where someone someone used live results in 441 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: a serious way. But like Taylor Gooch is playing in 442 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: an extremely high level. I mean, to finish top ten 443 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: four in a row against a short field fifty four 444 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: hold is not easy to do, Like you have to 445 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: you have to do. You can't afford even one bad round, 446 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: and so, um he's playing great. But do do we 447 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: cite those live results as having a meaning or not? 448 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know where we are on 449 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: this thing, you know. Uh no, go ahead, Michael, I'm 450 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 1: gonna listen to you. No stalemate, I refuse, I refuse, Okay, 451 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: Uh real quickly? Uh why why we can interrupt each 452 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: other and stand all over court our great producer Jake, 453 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: who's behind the scenes you can't see us. I would 454 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: like to remind us that uh par Points app that 455 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: is the sponsor that makes this all possible. Look at yeah, 456 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: look Vamburgers give me the thumbs up for this transition 457 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: into our sponsor. But Part Points is a great, uh 458 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: app awesome new way to play golf. Uh usually Alan 459 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: does this, and I usually make fun of him. So 460 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: uh I hate that I have to do it now 461 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: that Jake text me because I'm gonna probably screwed it 462 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: up and now I'm gonna make fun of me. But 463 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: power Points is an awesome way, a new way of 464 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: scoring on the golf. Download the app right now and 465 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: uh make part so thanks to Part Points Michael. Your 466 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: turn now, Ryan, Ryan, have you met the guys I have? 467 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: They're wonderful. Uh you did? You did well? Ryan, And 468 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: whatever you messed up, I wouldn't. I wouldn't bring it 469 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: to light because I have respect for the process and 470 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: I have respect for the sponsor. My post a question, Yes, please, Okay, 471 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: this conversation, it's interesting, slash tetious. It shows the conversation 472 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: itself is proof that live golf has been a tremendously 473 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: disruptive factor in golf already. Disruption does not happen on 474 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 1: its own. Disruption. You know, let's not go political, but 475 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: we all know what I could say here, disruption. Disruption 476 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: happens willfully with the goal. And I know I've been 477 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: down this road before. Alan. I know you're reporting it 478 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: as best you can, and it's difficult to report. Who 479 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: is benefit benefiting from this disruption and what is their endgame? 480 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: That's my question to either of you. All the players 481 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: are benefiting because literally billions of dollars is getting poured 482 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 1: into professional golf that didn't exist before. So clearly the players, 483 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: their families, their agents, the caddies, the swing coaches, the 484 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: entire ecosystem professional golf is benefiting UM, and that that 485 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: trickles all the way down to the Asian Tour and 486 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: their national series, which is now much better capitalized, has 487 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: become a launching pad for a lot of young players 488 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: who are trying to make it UM. You would think 489 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: at some point the tours we have to pour more 490 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,239 Speaker 1: money into the corn ferry and and Latin America and 491 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: Canada try and keep up. I mean, so professional golfers 492 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: are benefiting. I don't think there's any question about that. 493 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: Our fans benefiting. I mean, it's certainly it's been a 494 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: very juicy year. There's been a lot of a lot 495 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: of UM energy around the sport that didn't exist before. 496 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: And we know from our own metrics when these stories 497 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: come out about live golf, people are reading them. So 498 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: right now they're getting to watch on you you commercial 499 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: free high level golf. I think some of them are 500 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: enjoying it. UM. The tours are gonna have to improve 501 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: its product clearly, So the players are definitely benefiting. I 502 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: think the fans are probably benefiting. The typing class like us, 503 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: is certainly benefiting because it's been it's been so much 504 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: to talk about UM. But yeah, I mean I know 505 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: what you're getting at from a geopolitical macro sense, Michael 506 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: like that that becomes anising question. Is no one really 507 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: knows the Saudia's endgame because they haven't said it out loud. 508 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: I've been I've been trying to get interviews with some 509 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: some of the top guys who are involved in this 510 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: live effort. Hopefully that will still happen. I would like 511 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: to hear from them. But um, you know, the sports 512 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: washing is it's It's interesting because there's been more scrutiny 513 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: around Saudi Arabia and it's influence in the world than 514 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: ever before in a sporting context because people are asking 515 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: hard questions and they're looking at this stuff. So I 516 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 1: don't know if the sports washing is working or not 517 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: and maybe backfiring because there's been so much criticis is 518 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabian people are tuned in and and have been 519 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: forced to think about it in a different way. But 520 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: certainly the um, you know, the Saudi's have gotten to 521 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: see the table professional golf was, which is what they 522 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: really wanted, and so in that regard has been successful. 523 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: So um, I don't know, a lot of people are benefiting, 524 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: but how it's gonna play out in in the long 525 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: long term is it's still unknown? What are your thoughts, Ryan, Yeah, 526 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean I agree with everything you said the the 527 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: I think in the short term, the answer is everyone 528 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: has won. We've won. Obviously, the media has tons to 529 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: talk about this time of year. Would be very, very 530 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: boring if it If it was not this fight. Players 531 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: have won. Players that either left or stayed have one UM. 532 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: But I I'm concerned in the long run that we 533 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: are headed for to live tours UM and or the 534 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: Saudis believe that they don't want to do this anymore 535 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: and they're sick of spending money and they get out, 536 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: and then there's a huge fight of where these players 537 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 1: go and there might not be allowed back, or they 538 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: are allowed back, or the PJ tour doesn't exist and 539 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: somebody's keep going. I don't think this is sustainable as 540 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: it as it stands. So I'm concerned about obviously, the 541 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: guys I cover UM, I'm concerned for them because they are, 542 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: whether people like it or not, they're getting squeezed out. 543 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: And I'm afraid that this tour within a tour model 544 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: just doesn't have a lot of legs. I'm not sure 545 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: why these sponsors would want to spend millions of dollars 546 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: for an event with no top players. They already have 547 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: that that's called the corn Ferry tour um And I 548 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: don't know if it's sustainable. The short term answer, everyone wins. Uh. 549 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: The long term answer, maybe a lot of people don't win. 550 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: So uh, I think right now everyone wins. I mean, 551 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: Harry Varner just got thirty million dollars. Uh, Taylor Goods 552 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: got fifty or whatever. Uh, everybody's getting paid. All the 553 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: top players are getting paid. In fact, guys that I cover, 554 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: if they got their card, they're getting five thousand dollars. 555 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: I mean, like just handed to him right now. And 556 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: uh that's wild. Um. So I hope that all the 557 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: money doesn't love touch with what a lot of us 558 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: love about pro golf. So the short term, everyone wins. 559 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: In the long term, I hope, I hope not just 560 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: a small group of Well, Ryan, I think that last 561 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: point for me is the key one. I think professional 562 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: golf has taken a hit through this, and I think 563 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: it showed a greedy underbelly professional golf. And and I 564 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: know I probably have romanticized my attachment to professional golf 565 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: for a lot of years now, but this has to mean, 566 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: this whole thing has to mean professional golf to me. 567 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: So I think I think professional golf is in a 568 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: worst place because of all this disruption, rather than a 569 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: better place. I would take a different view. I've yeah, 570 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 1: I think very short term. I've also been appointed Michael 571 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: with uh and Alan with like some of the top 572 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: players kind of forgetting where they came from. Um I 573 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: used I used Billy Horshall a lot. You know, Billy 574 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: likes to say that, you know that the top players 575 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: should get paid and all those kind of things. Uh, 576 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: Billy Horshell went to que school four times. Okay, he 577 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: couldn't literally sniff keeping his card, And now all of 578 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: a sudden he's all for you know, seventy guys and 579 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: limited field offense and all that kind of thing. So, UM, 580 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: I had this. I had this discussion with John Maganeese 581 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: on Twitter, and he said, you know, if you finished 582 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: sixty on the on the Canadian Tour, you shouldn't make money, 583 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: you should you should probably just quit. And and then 584 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: I just sent a list of them of people that 585 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: have finished you know, Joel Damon or Maxima or whatever. 586 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: The long list of players that take time to develop. So, 587 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: um yeah, it's been I agree with you, Michael, I 588 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: think very short term it is, but uh, we'll see 589 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: what happens. Well that that's that's really well said. Um 590 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: So in addition to we have the live of in Chicago, 591 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: were coming off of Wentworth. There's another big thing happening, 592 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: which is the start of the new PGA Tour season 593 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: in NAPA and today is the first Monday qualifier. And Ryan, 594 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: as I understand it from talking to you offline, this 595 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: this is a this is a mega Monday. Like why 596 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: are these Mondays in this fall going to be so stacked? Yeah? Um, 597 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: first of all the Monday's. Uh so if you lost 598 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: your corn fish, so it's going to be deep in 599 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: the Monday weeds. So I can just hear people that's 600 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: why you're here, not nerds. Yeah they're not nerds. Yeah, 601 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: they're like, oh this is this is the end of 602 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: the podcast. Um. So the so if you're if you 603 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: finished below seventy technically before below technically lost your corn 604 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,719 Speaker 1: ferry card, but uh you keep it to the end 605 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: of the calendar year and to get into a Monday 606 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: you must be a one ferry member. So everybody who's 607 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 1: was on the corn Ferry Tour but lost their card 608 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: is technically a still member. So they're trying to take 609 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: their last shot at a glory by getting into a Monday, 610 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: getting into a PGA event and you know, changing their life. 611 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: So you have all those guys, you have every current 612 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: corn Ferry member. They don't have anything to do, They 613 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: don't play anything till January, so they might as well 614 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: go take a shot at a Monday. Uh, and you 615 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: know you have. I mean, so that makes up like 616 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: great great Mondays right now. I mean it's basically a 617 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: mini corn corn Ferry event uh every week. And then 618 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: you have the mixture of normal vets. Uh. Aaron Badley, 619 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: five time PGA Tour winner, is a Monday grinder nowadays. Uh, 620 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: Grayson Murray, the all the everybody loves to hate. Um. 621 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a long list of of of 622 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 1: people that you know, you you would know, d J. 623 00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: Trey Han, uh, Ted Purdy, Allen, Steve Allen, Brian Davis, 624 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: the regular veterans. So, um, these are always great Mondays. 625 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: And then I will also say this is obviously the 626 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: end of the uh the fall series. Now whatever next 627 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: year is going to be But these events are vital 628 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: to these fifty guys that just got their tour cards 629 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: either back or earned it on the corn Ferry Tour. 630 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: The they have to move up in the reshuffle or 631 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 1: they don't want to move down if they're up, and 632 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: so uh, it's kind of wild the two weeks after 633 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: their season ended. They're gonna play some of the most 634 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: important events of their season in the next couple of 635 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: weeks because they're gonna get into all the events and 636 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: they have to play well because the reshuffle comes uh 637 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: in five or six weeks, and they need to get 638 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 1: multiple starts. If they finished down, if they miss all 639 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: these cuts, finished way down, they're not. They're gonna get 640 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: ten starts the rest of the year, twelve starts the 641 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: rest of the year. So um, these are these are 642 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: This is a very important week. I love that there's 643 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: a week off in between. He used to be just 644 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: roll from the corn Ferry finals to this week a 645 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: lot unfair to these guys, but um, yeah, this is 646 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: an important weekend and great and the Mondays this fall 647 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: are are all always great. Yeah. Well, and it's it's 648 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: um a little bit of preview of of the two thousand, 649 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: twenty three tour s cancel. Right, There's gonna be these 650 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: mega events that all the stars are committed to, but 651 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot more of these other events, 652 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: which are, um, in some ways the purest form of 653 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: golf competition. It's it's saving two holes, it's stroke play, 654 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: it's guys playing for their livelihoods. Um, there's an era, 655 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, an air of of desperation and um, and 656 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: it is it's really the ultimate meritocracy. So while while 657 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: these fields are not gonna have many big name players, 658 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: they're still it's gonna be super compelling golf. So this 659 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: will be the test, like, are you a hardcore golf 660 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: fan or are you watching the fort neet Championship this week? Um, 661 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get Rory, You're not gonna get j T. 662 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: You're not gonna get any of the live guys obviously, 663 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: and um, but there's there's gonna be a lot of 664 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: a lot of good accomplished players and um, you know, 665 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: fighting hard. So this is this is the beginning of of, 666 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, the new reality on the PGA Tour where 667 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: two thirds of the events are going to feel like 668 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: the super Ryan in the weed question. But these Monday qualifiers, 669 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: they're not the property to the PHA Tour or it 670 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: tell me if that's correct. Are they typically run by 671 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: uh sectional PGA of America's sections And if that is 672 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: the case, can they run by yes? Can the sections 673 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: prevent a lived player from Monday qualifying is as unluckily 674 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: as that is. So so that is a great debate 675 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: because the article, the letter sent to players uh JA 676 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,640 Speaker 1: said you can't get into a field based on your 677 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: status or a sponsors exemption or any other way, So 678 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: there is some I my the best guests from the 679 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: people I talked too is that even if the section 680 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: allowed them to play, they would just not be allowed 681 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: to play in the PGA Tour event if they got through. 682 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: So um, yes, yes they're run by the section, but 683 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,680 Speaker 1: there I mean, there's very little debate that they would 684 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: ever get into the event even if they were allowed 685 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: to play in them Monday. So um, that was the 686 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: question I wanted to ask Phil at the at the 687 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: press the original US Open Press conference, and Christine Brennan 688 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: ruined my thunder and took read a paragraph and a 689 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: half question And I didn't feel like after that asking 690 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: about Monday qualifiers it was appropriate. Well, this is again 691 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: in the education of Ryan French, like you have to 692 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: overcome all of all press room challenges, including a Christine 693 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: Brennan filibuster, So that's on you. You should have rose 694 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: the occasion. I apologize um this this again since since 695 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 1: we're in the wee it's with the czar of all Mondays. 696 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: Why does the PGA Tour not take over the Monday qualifiers? 697 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: And to me, it's kind of weird that they farm 698 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: them out to the PGA of America, which is a 699 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: totally different organization. You're not gonna believe this. You're not 700 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,959 Speaker 1: gonna believe this everybody. But it's because the PGA Tour 701 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: makes a shipload of money on Mondays and there's no 702 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: reason for them to do it. They let other people 703 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: do it. They take most of the entry fee from it. 704 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: They get very wealthy from it. Uh, And that's that's 705 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: the fact of the matter. The PGA section has to 706 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 1: give a large portion of the entry fee to the 707 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: PGA Tour, then the rest to the golf course, very 708 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,439 Speaker 1: little to themselves. Uh. Most PJA sections that I've talked 709 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: to that if they have to travel, if they have 710 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: to have their staff travel um away from their base. 711 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: They break even at best on Monday's. The person who 712 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: gets wealthy that would be the PGA Tour. So that's 713 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: the reason. It's Uh, it's quite quite shifty of the 714 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: PGA Tour to be able to collect a large portion 715 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: of an entry fee that for an event they don't run. 716 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: I am shocked. I am absolute shocking. It's shocking news. 717 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: But I mean again, like Monday, Tuesday Wednesday are the 718 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: deadest days of the golf week. Like you would think 719 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: that if the tour took these over, they could play 720 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: them at t pc s and more legit courses and 721 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: it could be like a whole thing. Like um, it 722 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: just seems like a missed opportunity in their business model, 723 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: Like these are their players and they're trying to get 724 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: into their events. I don't really understand why they haven't 725 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 1: invested more in the Mondays. Yeah, I mean, they've definitely changed. 726 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,600 Speaker 1: We don't want to get into that story. But a 727 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: person made helped in the and his followers helped make 728 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,439 Speaker 1: Monday at a thing, and now they cover it. They 729 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 1: cover it by themselves from social media perspective, So, um, 730 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: I first see a time. I'm mean obviously the landscape 731 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: of golf is changing greatly, so who knows what's coming 732 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: up next with only seventy players exempt And does that 733 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: mean Monday's are back to the rabbit days and all 734 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: those kind of things. So it's an interesting thing, but 735 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: um yeah, I don't I can see that happening at 736 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: some point, Alan, I mean, you know I always have 737 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: said is that the guys that I cover and and 738 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: girls on the LPGA side are so much willing more 739 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: willing to do other things that it wouldn't have to 740 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,719 Speaker 1: be a traditional broadcast or anything like that. But guys 741 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 1: would wear Mike's and they don't give a ship. You know, 742 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: you can make up their caddie and them they don't 743 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: have anybody to answer to. Uh, you could interview them 744 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: in the middle of the round. I've done all of 745 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 1: these things, so you I mean, I think from a like, 746 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: whether it's social media wise or you know, a ten 747 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: minute clip about one Monday's do, I think you could 748 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 1: do it a lot of interesting things broadcasting wise. Uh. 749 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,120 Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be surprised to see them do more stuff. 750 00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,280 Speaker 1: Go Ryan, what what is Ryan? What is Patrick Reid's 751 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: standing among in the culture of Monday Qualifiers, and maybe 752 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: you could sum up for our listeners why he's a 753 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: legend in Monday, in the in the annals of Monday 754 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: qualifying in the first place. I mean he is, you know, 755 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 1: I mean he's the ultimate Monday qualifier. He turned it 756 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 1: into who he is now. I mean he wasn't. He 757 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: got a few sponsors exemptions, but his reputation was was 758 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: not great back then and so U exemptions were hard 759 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,320 Speaker 1: to come by. He qualified six times I think in 760 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: eight tries. Justine was on the bag for him. Uh 761 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: and a lot of that time was I mean he 762 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,799 Speaker 1: played well after that, Michael too, So he would make 763 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: the cut on Sunday, fly to the next course, you know, 764 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: late Sunday night, get in early Monday morning, get up 765 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: and shoot sixty six again, and do it again and again. Uh. 766 00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 1: I mean he's he's the ultimate successful Monday quality fire 767 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: for sure. Um. You know t J Vocals, someone I 768 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: talked about all the time, made eight in one year 769 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,439 Speaker 1: but didn't do much with it. Uh So, but yeah, 770 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 1: he's the ultimate Monday qualifier for sure. Uh. Have people 771 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: tagged me since this Matt More story came out and 772 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,879 Speaker 1: made me try to find who we played within those 773 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: Monday qualifiers and whether everything was on the up and up. Yes, 774 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: A lot of people have diag me in that and 775 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: asked me that I was just gonna go there. I 776 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:34,400 Speaker 1: was just gonna go because no fans, no TV cameras, 777 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: His fiancee is his caddy. Like this is the problem 778 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 1: with when you when you have a series of rules 779 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,360 Speaker 1: violations like Patrick Reid has, makes you rethink everything. And 780 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: Monday qualifiers are quite frankly, quite easy to cheat at 781 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: Uh it's you and at most at most six people 782 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 1: in a group meaning most of the time, not every 783 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 1: but he has a caddy. There. There's two rules officials 784 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: covering the entire front nine Uh, I mean the entire eighteen. 785 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: There's no very often no volunteers. There's you know, between 786 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: three and six people in a group. You hit it 787 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: left and the other two guys hit it right, like 788 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: pretty easy. I would like to point out that this 789 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: is protected free speech and that we are no way 790 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,000 Speaker 1: suggesting that we have any evidence of any story that 791 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: Patricks anything or any other time except for the one 792 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: in Albany where we all saw it on TV. And no, 793 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,319 Speaker 1: it's I mean and the time and the books and 794 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. But no, it's it's I mean, 795 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,759 Speaker 1: I guess you don't think about you said earlier in 796 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: the pod Michael about professional golf has been diminished. And 797 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: it is interesting. You know, Ryan's beat, unwittingly has become 798 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: about uh, these shysters, we're stealing money running these mini 799 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: tour events and they just disappear, and then cheating, cheating incidents, 800 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: and then you've got all the players, you know, just 801 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: slavishly chasing after the dollars, not all, some of some 802 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: of have taken a somewhat principled stance, although they've been 803 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,800 Speaker 1: induced by PGA tour dollars to stay. But it is 804 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: it is an interesting moment in the game where I 805 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: guess some of that romanticism has been exploded. And um, 806 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: maybe it's part of professional golf growth, right, like as 807 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 1: if it's going to really reach this global audience and 808 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: it's going to have these two different tours and it's 809 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 1: gonna be on the business page and the front page. 810 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 1: Um as time as time that we moved past our 811 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,399 Speaker 1: romanticism and see it for what it is, which is 812 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: a game full of human beings who are inherently flawed 813 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,759 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be some messiness. I don't know. I 814 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 1: know it makes you melancho, it does. I know I've 815 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: said there's a million million times, but it is the 816 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: underpinion of the whole thing. If we don't believe the scores, 817 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: we don't have professional tournament golf in the first place. 818 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: And I would put that's one A. But one B 819 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,000 Speaker 1: is if it's only about the money, then why should 820 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,080 Speaker 1: we care because we're not getting We're not getting anything 821 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 1: out of it. In other words, if it's and the 822 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: reason a lot of us are still attracted to the 823 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: old equipment is because golf was harder when we had 824 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: Alan and I had a conversation with a with another 825 00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,480 Speaker 1: writer recently. I'm not gonna reveal his name for reasons 826 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 1: Alan will understand. Who talked about one particular shot played 827 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: by Tommy Bolt, was that do I have the name correct? 828 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: Was a bolt that he was describing, and it was 829 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,360 Speaker 1: the lie and what he was gonna do with it 830 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,439 Speaker 1: and how he was going to fly it. And that 831 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: is the attachment for us to professional golf. What they're 832 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 1: going to do with the golf ball, what they're gonna 833 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: do to beat the course, to beat the other guy, 834 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,360 Speaker 1: whatever it might be, the money comes as a result, 835 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: and the starting point has to be the score is sacred, 836 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: we believe it, and the money is a byproduct of 837 00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: the excellence. Those are the one and two factors that 838 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,480 Speaker 1: make us drawn to professional golf. The reason Ryan's beat 839 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,800 Speaker 1: is so great, it's because they still have that Himie 840 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 1: our friend Himie Diaz used to say this all the 841 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,040 Speaker 1: time that if you wanted that spirit of the PG tour, 842 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: it says to me, Michael that you grew up on 843 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,480 Speaker 1: in the seventies, Now you're going to find it on 844 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: corn Ferry. And that's what Ryan is kind of in 845 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: his own way discovering now. So yes, I think you're 846 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,440 Speaker 1: right about a sort of melancholy tone for me, because 847 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,720 Speaker 1: I do think there's something under attack. You're fundamental about 848 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:30,520 Speaker 1: the greatness of the game, and we've already seen it. 849 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,719 Speaker 1: Not already, that's be unfair. I fear we're going to 850 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: see it filter down to a great institution like the Masters. 851 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,400 Speaker 1: Say what you want about Augusta National, and we can 852 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: all say a lot about it, but they do put 853 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: on a great springtime tournament. It does welcome us to 854 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,320 Speaker 1: the new golf season and We do have special attachment 855 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,880 Speaker 1: to the guys who have won it. We know what 856 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: they did to win it because we watched it and 857 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: it's hard and it's interesting. And then they gather as 858 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: comrades or colleagues on that Tuesday night for that dinner, 859 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,920 Speaker 1: and now that dinner is different. So there is a 860 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,560 Speaker 1: lot going on here and I don't view it as 861 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: a positive at all. Where's Gary player gonna sit. I'm 862 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: gonna say he's gonna he's gonna be seated with the 863 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 1: live guy. They might as well put up a fence 864 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: and put him right on it because he's been teetering 865 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 1: back and forth. Don't fall down, Gary whole. That was heavy, Michael. 866 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 1: Michael got heavy on us right there. It's it's a 867 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 1: gift from the content gods, because this is just a 868 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:25,120 Speaker 1: boring Monday in September. The Masters many months away. It's 869 00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,799 Speaker 1: not a Wryder Cup year. What would we really be 870 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 1: talking about. But this has been quite a lively podcast. 871 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,600 Speaker 1: You know. There used to be a Saturday a live 872 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 1: bit where they'd have like the two Fuddy Duddy Ladies 873 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,880 Speaker 1: on some PBS type show in New England and they 874 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,399 Speaker 1: had a listenership about three and it was so bad 875 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: and so obscure that Saturday Live could turn it into 876 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,319 Speaker 1: a bit. I'm afraid they might turn our whole thing 877 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: into a bit. Like these guys think they're I think 878 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: they're talking to an audience. There is there is no audience. 879 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 1: There's just each other. I was I was telling Michael Bamberger, 880 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,880 Speaker 1: and this is really this is how our podcast go. 881 00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 1: They get off the they get off the rails. Uh, 882 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 1: Michael Bamberger. I asked him as we were playing together 883 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,879 Speaker 1: on last Monday, I said, how many presidents have you met? 884 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: And he countered him up and he's said five or 885 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: whatever he said. And then I mean, a rolodex is 886 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 1: a who's who of who's who? And uh. And I said, man, 887 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: you are now playing golf at Alpina Golf Club with 888 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,320 Speaker 1: Monday q info. I'm not sure this is a testament 889 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,719 Speaker 1: to where your career has gone. And it's just like, 890 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: holy shit, you've interviewed Jerry Ford. You've uh. I mean, man, 891 00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Michael. I I don't even know what 892 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 1: to say. I'm I I feel so inadequate around your presence, 893 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: by the way, the twelve hours and this is honest, 894 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: this is the truth the greatest. I tried my best. 895 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,880 Speaker 1: I don't shut up often. I tried my best to 896 00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,960 Speaker 1: shut up and just listen. And the guy has to 897 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: hp me a lot. Both of these people on this 898 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,680 Speaker 1: on this podcast, that taught me a lot. That's very nice. 899 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,000 Speaker 1: The only the only thing I'm gonna say in response 900 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,880 Speaker 1: to that is I did have multiple telephone numbers for 901 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,239 Speaker 1: Sam Sneed. That's a podcast in itself that Sam Steed 902 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,319 Speaker 1: had multiple phone numbers. Yeah, he had the Burner his 903 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: time on the Burner phone. Yeah, he had a second 904 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: phone ahead of everybody else. I think that's true. He 905 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,400 Speaker 1: had yet he had a summer residence and a winter 906 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:37,439 Speaker 1: residents likely story. All right, well a signal. I don't 907 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: know what it is. Second Oh god, no, no, oh no, 908 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,680 Speaker 1: oh my god, please be somewhat amazing, Please be somewhat amazing. 909 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: It's Sam Sneed. I've got I'm having lunch with my dad, 910 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,239 Speaker 1: all right. Despite what you said earlier, Despite what you 911 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: said earlier, people do listen to these podcasts, and I 912 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: think it's time to release them. So this have been 913 00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:04,480 Speaker 1: another fire drill. God, I would I would like to 914 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,680 Speaker 1: just say, hid Mr ship Breck. They years ago, twenty 915 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 1: years ago, there was a US open an Olympic and 916 00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: the guy came around and he was spit and he 917 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,000 Speaker 1: looked like he had been rock climbing or surfing that day. 918 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: And I said, your ship, who's your buddy? And Alan said, 919 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: it's my dad anyway, your dad A two still going strong. 920 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 1: All right, this was good fun. We'll see what Jake 921 00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 1: leaves in the edit or not, because it was the 922 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:35,959 Speaker 1: few diversions, but that's what that's what we do. Uh. 923 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 1: We will keep these fire drills coming. And U for 924 00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,040 Speaker 1: Ryan French and Michael Bamberger. This is Alan Schipnuk signing off. 925 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Thank you part points and we'll do 926 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:56,680 Speaker 1: it again soon. Big and doing made a fortune. I 927 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: ran the table and thought them a wintertime hit me 928 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: like a cannon the ball and now I can't shake 929 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,440 Speaker 1: this losing the street. Every road I take is a 930 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: dead end stream. I got thoughts in my head, can't 931 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,120 Speaker 1: get him out, trying not to think what I'm thinking about. 932 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,919 Speaker 1: I got thoughts in my head, I can't get him out, 933 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,760 Speaker 1: and trying not to think what I'm thinking about