Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey, Messi's we're back and we've got a
Speaker 1: little treats of brighten up your weekend.
Speaker 2: Simone, this is our first ever bonus episode, Capital B.
Speaker 3: I'm so here for this.
Speaker 4: Love a bonus, We love a bonus.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, a couple of weeks ago, we had an
Speaker 2: amazing conversation with Eve Rodsky. And if you haven't listened
Speaker 2: to the episode yet, Eve's a member of the Hello
Speaker 2: Sunshine family. She's the author of fair Play, and it
Speaker 2: changed the cultural conversation entirely. In it, she sheds light
Speaker 2: on all of the cognitive labor that women take on
Speaker 2: in traditional family structures, things like planning and preparing for
Speaker 2: everyday tasks like even putting sunscreen on your kids.
Speaker 4: That takes time.
Speaker 2: And she's an expert in organization, so she's talking about
Speaker 2: everything that a household needs to function. So she didn't
Speaker 2: just start the conversation. Eve dug in. She researched it,
Speaker 2: and she's trying to fix the issue. She offers practical
Speaker 2: ways that family can redistribute all of the work more equitably.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that book, Fairplay is a New York Times bestseller
Speaker 1: and a former Reese's Book Club pick, and there's also
Speaker 1: a fair Play card game and a documentary. And Eve's
Speaker 1: been really open about the backstory behind fair Play and
Speaker 1: how all of these resources have even transformed her own
Speaker 1: relationships and her home from the inside out, her dynamic
Speaker 1: with her husband Seth. Us are three kids, Zach, Ben
Speaker 1: and Anna. Eve told us she designed the fair Play
Speaker 1: card game as a tool to help us navigate hard
Speaker 1: conversations better. We actually had the opportunity to play this
Speaker 1: game with Eve during our original conversation, but we didn't
Speaker 1: have time to include it in our show until now.
Speaker 2: So today we have a very special bonus episode where
Speaker 2: we're playing Eve's game and all of us are getting
Speaker 2: really honest. But if you haven't listened to our first
Speaker 2: episode with Eve, we promise you'll still be able to
Speaker 2: follow along with this one. But definitely go check out
Speaker 2: that original conversation If you're interested in buying Eve's game,
Speaker 2: which I highly recommend I give it as a gift
Speaker 2: to a lot of friends, especially as they get married.
Speaker 2: You can find the link to the game in our
Speaker 2: show notes.
Speaker 3: Well, let the games begin.
Speaker 1: Here's our extended conversation with Eve Rodsky, The New York
Speaker 1: Times best selling author of fair Play and Find Your
Speaker 1: Unicorn Space.
Speaker 2: You've called fair Play a love letter to men, and
Speaker 2: I think that's a really important part of this because
Speaker 2: I know we can all joke about men and the
Speaker 2: inadequacies that we feel, but we keep marrying them for
Speaker 2: the most part, and so it's important that they're a
Speaker 2: part of this and that it feels positive. And you
Speaker 2: say that the research shows it actually is, oh absolutely so.
Speaker 5: Part of our research that just came out shows that
Speaker 5: fair play works, which is very exciting and the reason
Speaker 5: why sometimes I actually think, even though it feels so
Speaker 5: heavy for women that the home organization is so painful
Speaker 5: for men as well, is because they're defined in one way,
Speaker 5: which is breadwinning, and actually the value of that men
Speaker 5: bring to all those other tasks the fair Play cards
Speaker 5: is exponential, and we see it in the research that
Speaker 5: when men are involved in transporting their kids to school,
Speaker 5: kids get amazing advice.
Speaker 6: When men are.
Speaker 5: Involved with cooking and allow their kids to be involved
Speaker 5: more as opposed to women who are like, get out
Speaker 5: of this kitchen and I don't want you being burned.
Speaker 5: There's just so many different ways that when men are
Speaker 5: invited into their full power in the home, not only
Speaker 5: can women step into their full power in the world,
Speaker 5: but children benefit, society benefits.
Speaker 6: It's a really beautiful thing.
Speaker 5: So, Danielle, when you're asking about why Fair plays a
Speaker 5: love letter to men, I think the pain and just
Speaker 5: being a helper is actually probably as bad as the
Speaker 5: mental load. When you think about when men are the
Speaker 5: ones going to the store for the mustard but have
Speaker 5: zero context for that task. It becomes a random assignment
Speaker 5: of a task. And we actually know from the organizational
Speaker 5: management side that if you bring somebody in simone, you're
Speaker 5: going to be at my partner in the meeting, and
Speaker 5: I'm really excited for you to be here. And here's
Speaker 5: why you're here. I want you to Yes, you're going
Speaker 5: to take notes, but also we're going to go over
Speaker 5: and you'll help me with this PowerPoint after. That's very
Speaker 5: different than simone just I need grab a pen. You're
Speaker 5: coming this meeting with me, And so that psychological safety
Speaker 5: of understanding why you're part of the team is often
Speaker 5: lacking in men's understanding of the of the home, and
Speaker 5: that can be very painful for them. And so I
Speaker 5: just grabbed my phone because I wanted to read you
Speaker 5: this beautiful message I got from this man in Korea,
Speaker 5: and this is just one of thousands and thousands we
Speaker 5: get from men, which is why I said fair plays
Speaker 5: become a love letter to them, this idea that they
Speaker 5: want to be partners in the home.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 5: He works in a legal department in Korea, and he says,
Speaker 5: thank you message from Korea, Dear miss Rodsky, I read
Speaker 5: your book fair Play Project, and write this message to
Speaker 5: express gratitude for you. I bought this book as one
Speaker 5: of husbands in the world, and I confess I thought
Speaker 5: I'm a fairly good husband, but I was wrong. That's
Speaker 5: really not fair Play is not much a shame, but
Speaker 5: in the beginning it could feel a little little angry.
Speaker 5: But then the system is helpful. So for men who
Speaker 5: are reading it for the first time, maybe skip to
Speaker 5: page one hundred. He says, I strongly believe everybody must
Speaker 5: read this book before they got married or have a baby. Personally,
Speaker 5: I lost my sister, who was a high court judge
Speaker 5: and a mother of two elementary student sons, four years ago.
Speaker 5: It was because a cerebral hemorrhage stroke took her. I
Speaker 5: believe this disease exploded as she worked too hard and
Speaker 5: handled too many things. During her father in law's death,
Speaker 5: which was just a week before her death, she took
Speaker 5: care too many things as a full time worker and
Speaker 5: a perfectionist judge. I think of this whole fair Play
Speaker 5: project over the entire Korea, and every husband executes this project,
Speaker 5: my sister would still be with us, having a balanced life,
Speaker 5: with her smiling face, which I terribly miss. Thank you
Speaker 5: for writing this book and I will practice this method
Speaker 5: from now on. Wow, how could fair play not be
Speaker 5: a love letter to men when that's what you see?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 4: I have so emotional hearing that I know, so do I.
Speaker 5: I've read it probably over fifty times, and I still
Speaker 5: tear up because A I hear the pain in his voice,
Speaker 5: and B I know it can be better, could be
Speaker 5: better for women out there, And it does require men
Speaker 5: to step into their full power in the home, and
Speaker 5: it only only benefits men. There's not one man that
Speaker 5: I've interviewed again in seventeen countries that has as ever
Speaker 5: said I regretted taking my child to school that morning,
Speaker 5: I regretted being there for that recital. I regretted buying
Speaker 5: the flowers for my daughter and watching her get the
Speaker 5: yellow Roses that she loves after she did her ballet.
Speaker 6: We just don't hear that.
Speaker 2: We have to take a quick break. But when we
Speaker 2: come back, we're playing a game of fair play. Don't
Speaker 2: go anywhere, and.
Speaker 4: We're back with Eve Rodsky. Should we fair play it up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's fair play it up. I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you, you know what is the solution? What is
Speaker 1: because you know you said you know that there is
Speaker 1: a better way, I'm guessing it's that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I'll say it's the magic formula. The formula
Speaker 5: is boundaries, systems, and communication.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 5: People who use those three things and had the fair
Speaker 5: play tools to help with those three things during the
Speaker 5: pandemic performed really really well, and those that didn't. You know, again,
Speaker 5: that's not quantitative the same way our a study on
Speaker 5: cognitive labor as yet, but our qualitative studies show that
Speaker 5: people who didn't have it faar it a lot worse.
Speaker 5: But how do you even come to the It's not
Speaker 5: like I could just give you this tool and be like,
Speaker 5: go for it. So the third piece, communication, I think,
Speaker 5: is such a big piece of it. And that's what
Speaker 5: we're going to play today with fair play. So we're
Speaker 5: not going to divide up the cards as if you
Speaker 5: and I were in a partnership together. But we're going
Speaker 5: to use the cards the way a lot of therapists
Speaker 5: have been using the cards, which I think is so exciting,
Speaker 5: which is to play a different type of game with
Speaker 5: the cards.
Speaker 6: So and it's basically a communication exercise.
Speaker 2: You know, you've got a real game on your hands
Speaker 2: when therapists they are using cards.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's actually really amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we actually have people now trained and a
Speaker 5: lot of the people who are trained in fair play
Speaker 5: are therapists. So for all of you out there who
Speaker 5: see a therapist or who are therapy adjacent, understand how
Speaker 5: much I value you because again, as a lawyer, I
Speaker 5: needed psychologists like our friends at USC who helped me
Speaker 5: do with my studies and it was very important. Okay,
Speaker 5: so this is what I'm going to have you do, Danielle.
Speaker 6: Let's start with you. Okay, I'm going to just have you.
Speaker 5: Shuffle the cards and then just shuffle them and then
Speaker 5: you're going to just pick one. Okay, Yeah, it's sort
Speaker 5: of they're a little thick, so maybe hard to actually
Speaker 5: shuffle them like poke for style, but yeah, try it.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Oh, actually you.
Speaker 4: Did it, okay, and then I just picked one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pick one anywhere on the deck, just yeah, pick one.
Speaker 6: Ooh gifts. I love this card. Okay.
Speaker 5: So Danielle, you picked gifts for VIPs. VIPs mean very
Speaker 5: important people in your life. So this is how we're
Speaker 5: going to play. I want to know any story or
Speaker 5: anything you can remember about gift gifting in your childhood.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I throw my parents under the bus on the show,
Speaker 2: but it's coming from a sincere place. So when I
Speaker 2: was growing up, there was the Tiffany necklace.
Speaker 5: But by the way, can I just say that we
Speaker 5: literally went through one hundred cards, you picked one, and
Speaker 5: then you're so smart in articulate you were able to
Speaker 5: just jump in and have a memory.
Speaker 6: I just want to say how good you are that
Speaker 6: you were able to do that. We did not script
Speaker 6: this beforehand.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's a distinct memory, Okay, for some reason. So
Speaker 2: when I was growing up, the Tiffany dog chain collar
Speaker 2: necklace was a big thing, and so many of the
Speaker 2: girls in my school had it, and I begged my
Speaker 2: parents for it, and they were like, we're absolutely.
Speaker 4: Not getting you anything from Tiffany's.
Speaker 2: So for my tenth birthday, I opened a box and
Speaker 2: it had like a knockoff Tiffany bracelet okay, and it
Speaker 2: was engraved and it said a decade of Love Dad,
Speaker 2: And I was so excited. And then I looked at
Speaker 2: my dad and I realized that he had never seen
Speaker 2: that bracelet before.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I looked at my mom and she was the
Speaker 2: one who had given me a gift from my father.
Speaker 2: And that was the entirety of my childhood. My mom
Speaker 2: did all of the gifts for everybody, including his parents
Speaker 2: and his cousins and his aunts and uncles, and it's
Speaker 2: so ingrained in my mind because I just I feel
Speaker 2: like she did so much.
Speaker 5: I just got chills for many reasons. But I have
Speaker 5: a question for you. Do you think that in that
Speaker 5: memory that you realize that later on as you've been
Speaker 5: processing what you want for your life and your relationship,
Speaker 5: or do you actually really think in the moment you
Speaker 5: knew except from the bottom, like from the back of
Speaker 5: sort of your ten year old not you know, fully
Speaker 5: executive function brain.
Speaker 4: That's such a good question.
Speaker 2: I knew because I saw my dad's face and it
Speaker 2: just wasn't from him, and I knew it wasn't, and
Speaker 2: I still have it. I love it, but as I've
Speaker 2: gotten older, I think about that moment a lot, actually,
Speaker 2: because I don't want that for my hopeful future marriage.
Speaker 5: Well, so interesting is I wonder, right, if you were
Speaker 5: in a partnership in that situation with a child and
Speaker 5: then your partner says to you, you know, what are
Speaker 5: we giving them for their birthday? It could be a
Speaker 5: bigger trigger for you than say the average person.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: And I don't know how much a partner would know
Speaker 5: about that, because that wasn't how we've ever been taught
Speaker 5: to ask people, Hey.
Speaker 6: Who gave you gifts growing up?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: But I do feel that I know you in a
Speaker 5: deeper way just that was probably I don't know how
Speaker 5: long did that story take?
Speaker 6: Forty five seconds?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 6: Maybe a minute?
Speaker 5: In that minute, just by doing that game, I feel
Speaker 5: like I have a really interesting and deeper sense of
Speaker 5: who you are as a person.
Speaker 6: So I just I love that so much.
Speaker 4: Well, Simone's shuffling.
Speaker 2: What I just realized playing that was I'd always thought
Speaker 2: of fair play as a division of labor, and I
Speaker 2: didn't realize that these cards could be used to understand
Speaker 2: your partner better and hear stories.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well we're going to talk about how important
Speaker 5: that is. But I think the biggest piece of that
Speaker 5: formula we were just talking about boundary systems communication. It
Speaker 5: keeps going back to why these conversations about the home
Speaker 5: are a movement and not what I thought in the beginning. Oh,
Speaker 5: I'll just give you this tool and everything's going to
Speaker 5: be fine. Is because each piece of that puzzle of
Speaker 5: understanding your own boundaries to the system of understanding what
Speaker 5: actual ownership is, and not just the piece that you
Speaker 5: see like going to the store, but all the mental
Speaker 5: load and on top of it.
Speaker 6: Now we have to learn how to communicate in a
Speaker 6: different way.
Speaker 5: Not just why didn't you get the necklace or go
Speaker 5: to the store for the birthday gifts? We have to
Speaker 5: sit down and say, wait a second, these are not
Speaker 5: just chores and housework.
Speaker 6: These are humanity. It's very, very big. It's big than
Speaker 6: I thought.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're talking about a five years later, right, that's
Speaker 5: how big it is. And I think we'll continue to
Speaker 5: have this. Okay, so now we're going to go to you. Okay,
Speaker 5: we just just pick any card in the deck.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll do this.
Speaker 6: Oh what came up?
Speaker 3: Here weekday breakfast.
Speaker 6: We breakfast.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's go back. You're in second grade or third grade.
Speaker 5: Do you have any memories of what school, I mean,
Speaker 5: home was like before you went to school in the morning,
Speaker 5: or what your lunches look like, anything related to meals
Speaker 5: as a child, but especially breakfast.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, I'm going to talk about my dad too.
Speaker 6: Interesting.
Speaker 1: We've always had a really tight daddy daughter relationship, and
Speaker 1: we moved around a lot when I was growing up.
Speaker 1: That's something that's been a defining characteristic of me and
Speaker 1: has shaped me into who I am. And it's funny
Speaker 1: in each city I can remember these breakfast traditions that
Speaker 1: we had.
Speaker 6: I got again.
Speaker 5: I swear to God to the listeners, we did not
Speaker 5: script this in advance. We just literally picked a card
Speaker 5: out of the deck. Okay, so tell me please.
Speaker 1: So I think from a really young age in elementary school,
Speaker 1: I have this vivid memory of my dad making me
Speaker 1: smoothies every morning. Oh my God, and he really inst
Speaker 1: under Back then, we were a vitam ex. We were
Speaker 1: a cutting edge family. We had a blender. It was crazy,
Speaker 1: but he would make me smoothies. And I think to
Speaker 1: this day he instilled a love of smoothies in me
Speaker 1: and I think about him whenever I make them. And
Speaker 1: then we also had a beautiful tradition of going to
Speaker 1: get Cuban food in Miami.
Speaker 6: Wow, So what does that mean? Tell us more?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's actually pretty ritualistic getting a Cuban breakfast.
Speaker 1: So it's typically bread, coffee coletche, and then like eggs
Speaker 1: and rice and beans. And I distinctly remember just like
Speaker 1: what you do whenever you have a Cuban breakfast is
Speaker 1: you dip the bread into the coffee coleche and then
Speaker 1: you eat it and it's like the sweet and savory combination.
Speaker 1: So honestly, my dad is the one who I have
Speaker 1: all these breakfast memories with.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Well again, the fair play is a
Speaker 5: love letter to men. This is a love letter to
Speaker 5: your father.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Did your parents? Were your parents together where?
Speaker 2: I am?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 6: Are they still together?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: And are you still close to your dad?
Speaker 3: I am yeah?
Speaker 5: Can we say his name on the air, yeah, Charles, Charles,
Speaker 5: thank you for doing breakfasts. It's become a memory for
Speaker 5: your daughter as part of her humanity. So tell me,
Speaker 5: do you have any traditions now for your children?
Speaker 6: And food.
Speaker 3: I really take pride in my kids nutrition.
Speaker 1: I really want to set them up for success, and
Speaker 1: I know that food is one of the best ways
Speaker 1: to do that. So I do all the weekday breakfasts.
Speaker 1: While my husband is getting the kids ready and dressing
Speaker 1: them for school, I do the breakfast, I do the lunches.
Speaker 3: And honestly, it doesn't feel like a chore for me.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love the act of putting intentionality and thoughtfulness into
Speaker 1: their meals and hoping when I'm making their food, I
Speaker 1: think about them opening it up at school and being like, oh,
Speaker 1: my mom got me the snacks that I really wanted,
Speaker 1: Like I remember that feeling of feeling so cool at
Speaker 1: school when you had like I don't know, fruit roll ups, whatever,
Speaker 1: And I have to shout out my mom, like yes,
Speaker 1: my dad, we had all these great breakfast memories together,
Speaker 1: but my mom did all the rest of the cooking,
Speaker 1: so like the lunches, the dinners, and we always had
Speaker 1: a tradition of sitting and eating dinner together. And I
Speaker 1: think I've inherited her. I hope I have inherited her
Speaker 1: intentionality when it comes to feeding my kids.
Speaker 5: So if we were married, that could again that that
Speaker 5: would be something that we hadn't talked about the way
Speaker 5: you just so beautifully told me, and we just went
Speaker 5: into a relationship together and we just started to make
Speaker 5: meals may have been a point of contention for both
Speaker 5: of us because I grew up sort of a you know,
Speaker 5: latch key kid. Nutrition was literally the meal I ate
Speaker 5: from sixth grade till college at the bodega because I
Speaker 5: didn't eat breakfast was a toasted plain bagel, extra steak
Speaker 5: fries and extra ketchup. It's actually very delicious, it is,
Speaker 5: but that toasted bagel with steak fries in the middle
Speaker 5: and extra ketchup was what I ate for basically a decade.
Speaker 3: You put the fries on the page.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's what I'm saying, So the steak fries go
Speaker 5: in the bagel, so it's a it's hardcore, and then ketchup.
Speaker 5: So again, you may feel if we were together that
Speaker 5: I wasn't.
Speaker 6: Valuing what you valued.
Speaker 5: But also I wouldn't really necessarily understand your why, And
Speaker 5: also maybe you could have a little bit more compassion
Speaker 5: for me for why I don't really understand the value
Speaker 5: of that intentionality when what's the big deal? Of course,
Speaker 5: it becomes a division of labor tool just inherently in
Speaker 5: seeing the hundred cards. And you you know, people who
Speaker 5: come to this with these the values you know, with
Speaker 5: with good intentionality feel like there's no way I want
Speaker 5: you to hold all those cards like that would feel unfair.
Speaker 5: So I do visual power, yes, but I do think
Speaker 5: that the reason why a lot of people are using
Speaker 5: it to get people to tell their stories is because
Speaker 5: we've missed that step. We think we know so much
Speaker 5: about our partners, but actually we know incredibly little about
Speaker 5: them in our lives that we had before them. So
Speaker 5: it's been a very eye opening thing for me to
Speaker 5: do these types of exercises with Seth, with my kids,
Speaker 5: with my parents. And so if these conversations feel triggering
Speaker 5: to you or you're like, this would never work in
Speaker 5: my relationship, you know, my partner would never do X,
Speaker 5: Y and Z. I don't think you could say my
Speaker 5: partner would never answer question about their childhood.
Speaker 6: I think they would.
Speaker 5: And I think that's a good introduction into what we're
Speaker 5: talking about today.
Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick break, but we'll be
Speaker 1: right back with Eve Rodsky.
Speaker 4: And we're back, Eve, are you comfortable doing one.
Speaker 6: Yes, of course.
Speaker 5: Oh fun, Okay, I never get to do my aunsa,
Speaker 5: thank you so much for that, and so you do. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'll just see what I pick. Okay, Oh, hard questions
Speaker 5: as kids?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: What means okay, hard questions is who's doing the research
Speaker 5: to answer hard questions your children have? What's a blowjob?
Speaker 5: Why is that person have two moms? Something that you
Speaker 5: may want to come to with intentionality and not dismiss
Speaker 5: and make sure that you're on the right values path
Speaker 5: to answer that question thoughtfully. So let's see hard questions
Speaker 5: as kids. What hard questions that I have? Well, this
Speaker 5: is what I think I'll say about that again, sort
Speaker 5: of throwing my parents under the bus. This is before
Speaker 5: you know Instagram or Google or any social media.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: I grew up in the eighties.
Speaker 5: What I'd say about hard questions was that I found
Speaker 5: it everything either through friends or through shame. And so
Speaker 5: maybe that's why I'm sort of an open book with
Speaker 5: my children. I'm just trying to think of it. I've
Speaker 5: never made that connection, but maybe I'm too much of
Speaker 5: an open book.
Speaker 6: I'll give you an example.
Speaker 5: I was really embarrassed because I went to camp at
Speaker 5: the end of sixth grade, and I had like full
Speaker 5: armpit hair, and I remember everybody was like making out
Speaker 5: in camp and everyone's like, I would never touch Eve.
Speaker 5: She's disgusting. She's like full armpit hair or whatever. And
Speaker 5: so I remember thinking to myself and even like crooming
Speaker 5: like my vagina. I didn't realize that other people like
Speaker 5: wax stor you know, like I just didn't know anything
Speaker 5: about bodily hair. And now that I think about it,
Speaker 5: and I sort of found out with like teasing and
Speaker 5: shame and so what I'm realizing now to that connection
Speaker 5: was recently, Zach was with me and Emmy Hill die
Speaker 5: if he knew I was saying the story, but we
Speaker 5: were like at the counter and he was like opening
Speaker 5: after snack, like a blueberry muffin, and I was like, Zach,
Speaker 5: you know, I just have this memory that my mother
Speaker 5: and my father, no one ever told me that people
Speaker 5: trim their pubic hair.
Speaker 6: I was like, you know, I wish I knew that earlier.
Speaker 5: And literally he took his fucking blueberry muffin and threw
Speaker 5: it me and he just walked out of the room.
Speaker 6: So I remember this like muffin like rolling on the floor.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, so maybe I'm too open with hard
Speaker 5: questions and just wanting to talk about all the hard
Speaker 5: topics all the time. And so it's interesting because Zach
Speaker 5: now has a rule with me that I want to
Speaker 5: put on a T shirt. It's called no specifics. But
Speaker 5: now I'm thinking maybe it came from this. Maybe it
Speaker 5: came from the fact that I never had anybody to
Speaker 5: ask hard questions to. So I'm just like, for sure
Speaker 5: blurting out hard questions all over the place. So now
Speaker 5: we've gotten the opposite where where my son's like, do never.
Speaker 6: Tell me anything hard again. We literally have a no
Speaker 6: specifics household.
Speaker 4: That is funny.
Speaker 1: Well, because you're trying to spare them, you know, from
Speaker 1: what you have experienced.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I am exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Eve, my mom's the same way, and her mom
Speaker 2: didn't tell her anything, and so she tells me all
Speaker 2: of the things I'm going to steal no specifics. But
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for it because as things happened to me
Speaker 2: in my life, I think, oh, I'm not weird or
Speaker 2: I'm not you know, like for all of it. She
Speaker 2: told me that my twenties were going to be my
Speaker 2: hardest decade, and then no one tells you that they're
Speaker 2: supposed to be the best.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was so grateful. She told me how amazing.
Speaker 5: I want to meet your mother. She sounds really wonderful.
Speaker 1: Thanks Eve, thank you so much for coming on the
Speaker 1: bright side and bringing the fair Play deck with you.
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you for your vulnerability and for letting me
Speaker 5: turn the tables and let you answer questions and.
Speaker 4: For bringing all that heart.
Speaker 6: Thank you, big hugs. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Eve Rodsky is the New York Times best selling author
Speaker 1: of fair Play and Find Your Unicorn Space. She's also
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