1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, Hey, Messi's we're back and we've got a 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: little treats of brighten up your weekend. 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: Simone, this is our first ever bonus episode, Capital B. 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 3: I'm so here for this. 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 4: Love a bonus, We love a bonus. 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: Okay, So, a couple of weeks ago, we had an 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 2: amazing conversation with Eve Rodsky. And if you haven't listened 8 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: to the episode yet, Eve's a member of the Hello 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Sunshine family. She's the author of fair Play, and it 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: changed the cultural conversation entirely. In it, she sheds light 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: on all of the cognitive labor that women take on 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: in traditional family structures, things like planning and preparing for 13 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,480 Speaker 2: everyday tasks like even putting sunscreen on your kids. 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 4: That takes time. 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: And she's an expert in organization, so she's talking about 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: everything that a household needs to function. So she didn't 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: just start the conversation. Eve dug in. She researched it, 18 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: and she's trying to fix the issue. She offers practical 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: ways that family can redistribute all of the work more equitably. 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that book, Fairplay is a New York Times bestseller 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: and a former Reese's Book Club pick, and there's also 22 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: a fair Play card game and a documentary. And Eve's 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: been really open about the backstory behind fair Play and 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: how all of these resources have even transformed her own 25 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: relationships and her home from the inside out, her dynamic 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 1: with her husband Seth. Us are three kids, Zach, Ben 27 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 1: and Anna. Eve told us she designed the fair Play 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: card game as a tool to help us navigate hard 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: conversations better. We actually had the opportunity to play this 30 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: game with Eve during our original conversation, but we didn't 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: have time to include it in our show until now. 32 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 2: So today we have a very special bonus episode where 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: we're playing Eve's game and all of us are getting 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: really honest. But if you haven't listened to our first 35 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 2: episode with Eve, we promise you'll still be able to 36 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: follow along with this one. But definitely go check out 37 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 2: that original conversation If you're interested in buying Eve's game, 38 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: which I highly recommend I give it as a gift 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: to a lot of friends, especially as they get married. 40 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: You can find the link to the game in our 41 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: show notes. 42 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 3: Well, let the games begin. 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: Here's our extended conversation with Eve Rodsky, The New York 44 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: Times best selling author of fair Play and Find Your 45 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: Unicorn Space. 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: You've called fair Play a love letter to men, and 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: I think that's a really important part of this because 48 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: I know we can all joke about men and the 49 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 2: inadequacies that we feel, but we keep marrying them for 50 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: the most part, and so it's important that they're a 51 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: part of this and that it feels positive. And you 52 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: say that the research shows it actually is, oh absolutely so. 53 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 5: Part of our research that just came out shows that 54 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 5: fair play works, which is very exciting and the reason 55 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 5: why sometimes I actually think, even though it feels so 56 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 5: heavy for women that the home organization is so painful 57 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 5: for men as well, is because they're defined in one way, 58 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 5: which is breadwinning, and actually the value of that men 59 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 5: bring to all those other tasks the fair Play cards 60 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 5: is exponential, and we see it in the research that 61 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 5: when men are involved in transporting their kids to school, 62 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 5: kids get amazing advice. 63 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 6: When men are. 64 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 5: Involved with cooking and allow their kids to be involved 65 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 5: more as opposed to women who are like, get out 66 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 5: of this kitchen and I don't want you being burned. 67 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 5: There's just so many different ways that when men are 68 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 5: invited into their full power in the home, not only 69 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 5: can women step into their full power in the world, 70 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 5: but children benefit, society benefits. 71 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 6: It's a really beautiful thing. 72 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 5: So, Danielle, when you're asking about why Fair plays a 73 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 5: love letter to men, I think the pain and just 74 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 5: being a helper is actually probably as bad as the 75 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 5: mental load. When you think about when men are the 76 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 5: ones going to the store for the mustard but have 77 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 5: zero context for that task. It becomes a random assignment 78 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 5: of a task. And we actually know from the organizational 79 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 5: management side that if you bring somebody in simone, you're 80 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 5: going to be at my partner in the meeting, and 81 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 5: I'm really excited for you to be here. And here's 82 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 5: why you're here. I want you to Yes, you're going 83 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 5: to take notes, but also we're going to go over 84 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 5: and you'll help me with this PowerPoint after. That's very 85 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 5: different than simone just I need grab a pen. You're 86 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 5: coming this meeting with me, And so that psychological safety 87 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 5: of understanding why you're part of the team is often 88 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 5: lacking in men's understanding of the of the home, and 89 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 5: that can be very painful for them. And so I 90 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 5: just grabbed my phone because I wanted to read you 91 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 5: this beautiful message I got from this man in Korea, 92 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 5: and this is just one of thousands and thousands we 93 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 5: get from men, which is why I said fair plays 94 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 5: become a love letter to them, this idea that they 95 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 5: want to be partners in the home. 96 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 6: Okay. 97 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 5: He works in a legal department in Korea, and he says, 98 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 5: thank you message from Korea, Dear miss Rodsky, I read 99 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 5: your book fair Play Project, and write this message to 100 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 5: express gratitude for you. I bought this book as one 101 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 5: of husbands in the world, and I confess I thought 102 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 5: I'm a fairly good husband, but I was wrong. That's 103 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 5: really not fair Play is not much a shame, but 104 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 5: in the beginning it could feel a little little angry. 105 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 5: But then the system is helpful. So for men who 106 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 5: are reading it for the first time, maybe skip to 107 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 5: page one hundred. He says, I strongly believe everybody must 108 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 5: read this book before they got married or have a baby. Personally, 109 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 5: I lost my sister, who was a high court judge 110 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 5: and a mother of two elementary student sons, four years ago. 111 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 5: It was because a cerebral hemorrhage stroke took her. I 112 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 5: believe this disease exploded as she worked too hard and 113 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,239 Speaker 5: handled too many things. During her father in law's death, 114 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 5: which was just a week before her death, she took 115 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 5: care too many things as a full time worker and 116 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 5: a perfectionist judge. I think of this whole fair Play 117 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 5: project over the entire Korea, and every husband executes this project, 118 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 5: my sister would still be with us, having a balanced life, 119 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 5: with her smiling face, which I terribly miss. Thank you 120 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 5: for writing this book and I will practice this method 121 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 5: from now on. Wow, how could fair play not be 122 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 5: a love letter to men when that's what you see? 123 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: Wow? 124 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 4: I have so emotional hearing that I know, so do I. 125 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 5: I've read it probably over fifty times, and I still 126 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 5: tear up because A I hear the pain in his voice, 127 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 5: and B I know it can be better, could be 128 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 5: better for women out there, And it does require men 129 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 5: to step into their full power in the home, and 130 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 5: it only only benefits men. There's not one man that 131 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 5: I've interviewed again in seventeen countries that has as ever 132 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 5: said I regretted taking my child to school that morning, 133 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 5: I regretted being there for that recital. I regretted buying 134 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 5: the flowers for my daughter and watching her get the 135 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 5: yellow Roses that she loves after she did her ballet. 136 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 6: We just don't hear that. 137 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: We have to take a quick break. But when we 138 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 2: come back, we're playing a game of fair play. Don't 139 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: go anywhere, and. 140 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 4: We're back with Eve Rodsky. Should we fair play it up? 141 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's fair play it up. I was going to 142 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: ask you, you know what is the solution? What is 143 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: because you know you said you know that there is 144 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: a better way, I'm guessing it's that. 145 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I'll say it's the magic formula. The formula 146 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 5: is boundaries, systems, and communication. 147 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 6: That's it. 148 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 5: People who use those three things and had the fair 149 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 5: play tools to help with those three things during the 150 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 5: pandemic performed really really well, and those that didn't. You know, again, 151 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 5: that's not quantitative the same way our a study on 152 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 5: cognitive labor as yet, but our qualitative studies show that 153 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 5: people who didn't have it faar it a lot worse. 154 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 5: But how do you even come to the It's not 155 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 5: like I could just give you this tool and be like, 156 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 5: go for it. So the third piece, communication, I think, 157 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 5: is such a big piece of it. And that's what 158 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 5: we're going to play today with fair play. So we're 159 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 5: not going to divide up the cards as if you 160 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 5: and I were in a partnership together. But we're going 161 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 5: to use the cards the way a lot of therapists 162 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 5: have been using the cards, which I think is so exciting, 163 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 5: which is to play a different type of game with 164 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 5: the cards. 165 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 6: So and it's basically a communication exercise. 166 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: You know, you've got a real game on your hands 167 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: when therapists they are using cards. 168 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 6: Yes, it's actually really amazing. 169 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, and we actually have people now trained and a 170 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 5: lot of the people who are trained in fair play 171 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 5: are therapists. So for all of you out there who 172 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 5: see a therapist or who are therapy adjacent, understand how 173 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 5: much I value you because again, as a lawyer, I 174 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 5: needed psychologists like our friends at USC who helped me 175 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 5: do with my studies and it was very important. Okay, 176 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 5: so this is what I'm going to have you do, Danielle. 177 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 6: Let's start with you. Okay, I'm going to just have you. 178 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 5: Shuffle the cards and then just shuffle them and then 179 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 5: you're going to just pick one. Okay, Yeah, it's sort 180 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 5: of they're a little thick, so maybe hard to actually 181 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 5: shuffle them like poke for style, but yeah, try it. 182 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 6: Yeah. Oh, actually you. 183 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 4: Did it, okay, and then I just picked one. 184 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, pick one anywhere on the deck, just yeah, pick one. 185 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 6: Ooh gifts. I love this card. Okay. 186 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 5: So Danielle, you picked gifts for VIPs. VIPs mean very 187 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 5: important people in your life. So this is how we're 188 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 5: going to play. I want to know any story or 189 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 5: anything you can remember about gift gifting in your childhood. 190 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 6: Okay. 191 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: Sometimes I throw my parents under the bus on the show, 192 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: but it's coming from a sincere place. So when I 193 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: was growing up, there was the Tiffany necklace. 194 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 5: But by the way, can I just say that we 195 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 5: literally went through one hundred cards, you picked one, and 196 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 5: then you're so smart in articulate you were able to 197 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 5: just jump in and have a memory. 198 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 6: I just want to say how good you are that 199 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 6: you were able to do that. We did not script 200 00:09:59,160 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 6: this beforehand. 201 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 2: Okay, it's a distinct memory, Okay, for some reason. So 202 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: when I was growing up, the Tiffany dog chain collar 203 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 2: necklace was a big thing, and so many of the 204 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: girls in my school had it, and I begged my 205 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: parents for it, and they were like, we're absolutely. 206 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 4: Not getting you anything from Tiffany's. 207 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: So for my tenth birthday, I opened a box and 208 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 2: it had like a knockoff Tiffany bracelet okay, and it 209 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 2: was engraved and it said a decade of Love Dad, 210 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: And I was so excited. And then I looked at 211 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 2: my dad and I realized that he had never seen 212 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: that bracelet before. 213 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 6: Wow. 214 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: And I looked at my mom and she was the 215 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: one who had given me a gift from my father. 216 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: And that was the entirety of my childhood. My mom 217 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 2: did all of the gifts for everybody, including his parents 218 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: and his cousins and his aunts and uncles, and it's 219 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 2: so ingrained in my mind because I just I feel 220 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: like she did so much. 221 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 5: I just got chills for many reasons. But I have 222 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 5: a question for you. Do you think that in that 223 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 5: memory that you realize that later on as you've been 224 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 5: processing what you want for your life and your relationship, 225 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 5: or do you actually really think in the moment you 226 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 5: knew except from the bottom, like from the back of 227 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 5: sort of your ten year old not you know, fully 228 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 5: executive function brain. 229 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 4: That's such a good question. 230 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: I knew because I saw my dad's face and it 231 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: just wasn't from him, and I knew it wasn't, and 232 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 2: I still have it. I love it, but as I've 233 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: gotten older, I think about that moment a lot, actually, 234 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: because I don't want that for my hopeful future marriage. 235 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 5: Well, so interesting is I wonder, right, if you were 236 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 5: in a partnership in that situation with a child and 237 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 5: then your partner says to you, you know, what are 238 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 5: we giving them for their birthday? It could be a 239 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 5: bigger trigger for you than say the average person. 240 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: Right. 241 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 5: And I don't know how much a partner would know 242 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 5: about that, because that wasn't how we've ever been taught 243 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 5: to ask people, Hey. 244 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 6: Who gave you gifts growing up? 245 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 3: Right? 246 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 5: But I do feel that I know you in a 247 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 5: deeper way just that was probably I don't know how 248 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 5: long did that story take? 249 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 6: Forty five seconds? 250 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: Right? 251 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 6: Maybe a minute? 252 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 5: In that minute, just by doing that game, I feel 253 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 5: like I have a really interesting and deeper sense of 254 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 5: who you are as a person. 255 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 6: So I just I love that so much. 256 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 4: Well, Simone's shuffling. 257 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: What I just realized playing that was I'd always thought 258 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: of fair play as a division of labor, and I 259 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: didn't realize that these cards could be used to understand 260 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 2: your partner better and hear stories. 261 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well we're going to talk about how important 262 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 5: that is. But I think the biggest piece of that 263 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 5: formula we were just talking about boundary systems communication. It 264 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 5: keeps going back to why these conversations about the home 265 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 5: are a movement and not what I thought in the beginning. Oh, 266 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 5: I'll just give you this tool and everything's going to 267 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 5: be fine. Is because each piece of that puzzle of 268 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 5: understanding your own boundaries to the system of understanding what 269 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 5: actual ownership is, and not just the piece that you 270 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 5: see like going to the store, but all the mental 271 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 5: load and on top of it. 272 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 6: Now we have to learn how to communicate in a 273 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 6: different way. 274 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 5: Not just why didn't you get the necklace or go 275 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 5: to the store for the birthday gifts? We have to 276 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 5: sit down and say, wait a second, these are not 277 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 5: just chores and housework. 278 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 6: These are humanity. It's very, very big. It's big than 279 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 6: I thought. 280 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, we're talking about a five years later, right, that's 281 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 5: how big it is. And I think we'll continue to 282 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 5: have this. Okay, so now we're going to go to you. Okay, 283 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 5: we just just pick any card in the deck. 284 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll do this. 285 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 6: Oh what came up? 286 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: Here weekday breakfast. 287 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 6: We breakfast. 288 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 5: Okay, let's go back. You're in second grade or third grade. 289 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 5: Do you have any memories of what school, I mean, 290 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 5: home was like before you went to school in the morning, 291 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 5: or what your lunches look like, anything related to meals 292 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 5: as a child, but especially breakfast. 293 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, I'm going to talk about my dad too. 294 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 6: Interesting. 295 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: We've always had a really tight daddy daughter relationship, and 296 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: we moved around a lot when I was growing up. 297 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: That's something that's been a defining characteristic of me and 298 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: has shaped me into who I am. And it's funny 299 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: in each city I can remember these breakfast traditions that 300 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: we had. 301 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 6: I got again. 302 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 5: I swear to God to the listeners, we did not 303 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 5: script this in advance. We just literally picked a card 304 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 5: out of the deck. Okay, so tell me please. 305 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: So I think from a really young age in elementary school, 306 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: I have this vivid memory of my dad making me 307 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: smoothies every morning. Oh my God, and he really inst 308 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: under Back then, we were a vitam ex. We were 309 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: a cutting edge family. We had a blender. It was crazy, 310 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: but he would make me smoothies. And I think to 311 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: this day he instilled a love of smoothies in me 312 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: and I think about him whenever I make them. And 313 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: then we also had a beautiful tradition of going to 314 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: get Cuban food in Miami. 315 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 6: Wow, So what does that mean? Tell us more? 316 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's it's actually pretty ritualistic getting a Cuban breakfast. 317 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: So it's typically bread, coffee coletche, and then like eggs 318 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: and rice and beans. And I distinctly remember just like 319 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: what you do whenever you have a Cuban breakfast is 320 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: you dip the bread into the coffee coleche and then 321 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 1: you eat it and it's like the sweet and savory combination. 322 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: So honestly, my dad is the one who I have 323 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: all these breakfast memories with. 324 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Well again, the fair play is a 325 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 5: love letter to men. This is a love letter to 326 00:15:59,120 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 5: your father. 327 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 328 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 6: Did your parents? Were your parents together where? 329 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: I am? 330 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 4: Yes? 331 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 6: Are they still together? 332 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 3: Yes? 333 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 6: And are you still close to your dad? 334 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 3: I am yeah? 335 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 5: Can we say his name on the air, yeah, Charles, Charles, 336 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 5: thank you for doing breakfasts. It's become a memory for 337 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 5: your daughter as part of her humanity. So tell me, 338 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 5: do you have any traditions now for your children? 339 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 6: And food. 340 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 3: I really take pride in my kids nutrition. 341 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: I really want to set them up for success, and 342 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: I know that food is one of the best ways 343 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: to do that. So I do all the weekday breakfasts. 344 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: While my husband is getting the kids ready and dressing 345 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: them for school, I do the breakfast, I do the lunches. 346 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: And honestly, it doesn't feel like a chore for me. 347 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 6: Yeah. 348 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: I love the act of putting intentionality and thoughtfulness into 349 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: their meals and hoping when I'm making their food, I 350 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: think about them opening it up at school and being like, oh, 351 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: my mom got me the snacks that I really wanted, 352 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: Like I remember that feeling of feeling so cool at 353 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: school when you had like I don't know, fruit roll ups, whatever, 354 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 1: And I have to shout out my mom, like yes, 355 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: my dad, we had all these great breakfast memories together, 356 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: but my mom did all the rest of the cooking, 357 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: so like the lunches, the dinners, and we always had 358 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: a tradition of sitting and eating dinner together. And I 359 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: think I've inherited her. I hope I have inherited her 360 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: intentionality when it comes to feeding my kids. 361 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 5: So if we were married, that could again that that 362 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 5: would be something that we hadn't talked about the way 363 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 5: you just so beautifully told me, and we just went 364 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 5: into a relationship together and we just started to make 365 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 5: meals may have been a point of contention for both 366 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 5: of us because I grew up sort of a you know, 367 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 5: latch key kid. Nutrition was literally the meal I ate 368 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 5: from sixth grade till college at the bodega because I 369 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 5: didn't eat breakfast was a toasted plain bagel, extra steak 370 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 5: fries and extra ketchup. It's actually very delicious, it is, 371 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 5: but that toasted bagel with steak fries in the middle 372 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 5: and extra ketchup was what I ate for basically a decade. 373 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 3: You put the fries on the page. 374 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 5: Yes, that's what I'm saying, So the steak fries go 375 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 5: in the bagel, so it's a it's hardcore, and then ketchup. 376 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 5: So again, you may feel if we were together that 377 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 5: I wasn't. 378 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 6: Valuing what you valued. 379 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 5: But also I wouldn't really necessarily understand your why, And 380 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 5: also maybe you could have a little bit more compassion 381 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 5: for me for why I don't really understand the value 382 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 5: of that intentionality when what's the big deal? Of course, 383 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 5: it becomes a division of labor tool just inherently in 384 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 5: seeing the hundred cards. And you you know, people who 385 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 5: come to this with these the values you know, with 386 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 5: with good intentionality feel like there's no way I want 387 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 5: you to hold all those cards like that would feel unfair. 388 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 5: So I do visual power, yes, but I do think 389 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 5: that the reason why a lot of people are using 390 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 5: it to get people to tell their stories is because 391 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 5: we've missed that step. We think we know so much 392 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 5: about our partners, but actually we know incredibly little about 393 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 5: them in our lives that we had before them. So 394 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,199 Speaker 5: it's been a very eye opening thing for me to 395 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 5: do these types of exercises with Seth, with my kids, 396 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 5: with my parents. And so if these conversations feel triggering 397 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 5: to you or you're like, this would never work in 398 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 5: my relationship, you know, my partner would never do X, 399 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 5: Y and Z. I don't think you could say my 400 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 5: partner would never answer question about their childhood. 401 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 6: I think they would. 402 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 5: And I think that's a good introduction into what we're 403 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 5: talking about today. 404 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: We've got to take a quick break, but we'll be 405 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: right back with Eve Rodsky. 406 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 4: And we're back, Eve, are you comfortable doing one. 407 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 6: Yes, of course. 408 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 5: Oh fun, Okay, I never get to do my aunsa, 409 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 5: thank you so much for that, and so you do. Yeah, 410 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 5: I'll just see what I pick. Okay, Oh, hard questions 411 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 5: as kids? 412 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 2: Okay. 413 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 5: What means okay, hard questions is who's doing the research 414 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 5: to answer hard questions your children have? What's a blowjob? 415 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 5: Why is that person have two moms? Something that you 416 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 5: may want to come to with intentionality and not dismiss 417 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 5: and make sure that you're on the right values path 418 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 5: to answer that question thoughtfully. So let's see hard questions 419 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 5: as kids. What hard questions that I have? Well, this 420 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 5: is what I think I'll say about that again, sort 421 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 5: of throwing my parents under the bus. This is before 422 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 5: you know Instagram or Google or any social media. 423 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: Right. 424 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 6: I grew up in the eighties. 425 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 5: What I'd say about hard questions was that I found 426 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 5: it everything either through friends or through shame. And so 427 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 5: maybe that's why I'm sort of an open book with 428 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 5: my children. I'm just trying to think of it. I've 429 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 5: never made that connection, but maybe I'm too much of 430 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 5: an open book. 431 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 6: I'll give you an example. 432 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 5: I was really embarrassed because I went to camp at 433 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 5: the end of sixth grade, and I had like full 434 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 5: armpit hair, and I remember everybody was like making out 435 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 5: in camp and everyone's like, I would never touch Eve. 436 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,239 Speaker 5: She's disgusting. She's like full armpit hair or whatever. And 437 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 5: so I remember thinking to myself and even like crooming 438 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 5: like my vagina. I didn't realize that other people like 439 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 5: wax stor you know, like I just didn't know anything 440 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 5: about bodily hair. And now that I think about it, 441 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 5: and I sort of found out with like teasing and 442 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 5: shame and so what I'm realizing now to that connection 443 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 5: was recently, Zach was with me and Emmy Hill die 444 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 5: if he knew I was saying the story, but we 445 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 5: were like at the counter and he was like opening 446 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 5: after snack, like a blueberry muffin, and I was like, Zach, 447 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 5: you know, I just have this memory that my mother 448 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 5: and my father, no one ever told me that people 449 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 5: trim their pubic hair. 450 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 6: I was like, you know, I wish I knew that earlier. 451 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 5: And literally he took his fucking blueberry muffin and threw 452 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 5: it me and he just walked out of the room. 453 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 6: So I remember this like muffin like rolling on the floor. 454 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 5: Oh my god, so maybe I'm too open with hard 455 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 5: questions and just wanting to talk about all the hard 456 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 5: topics all the time. And so it's interesting because Zach 457 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 5: now has a rule with me that I want to 458 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 5: put on a T shirt. It's called no specifics. But 459 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 5: now I'm thinking maybe it came from this. Maybe it 460 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 5: came from the fact that I never had anybody to 461 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 5: ask hard questions to. So I'm just like, for sure 462 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 5: blurting out hard questions all over the place. So now 463 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 5: we've gotten the opposite where where my son's like, do never. 464 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 6: Tell me anything hard again. We literally have a no 465 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 6: specifics household. 466 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 4: That is funny. 467 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: Well, because you're trying to spare them, you know, from 468 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: what you have experienced. 469 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, I am exactly. 470 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Eve, my mom's the same way, and her mom 471 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 2: didn't tell her anything, and so she tells me all 472 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: of the things I'm going to steal no specifics. But 473 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: I'm grateful for it because as things happened to me 474 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: in my life, I think, oh, I'm not weird or 475 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 2: I'm not you know, like for all of it. She 476 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 2: told me that my twenties were going to be my 477 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 2: hardest decade, and then no one tells you that they're 478 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 2: supposed to be the best. 479 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I was so grateful. She told me how amazing. 480 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 5: I want to meet your mother. She sounds really wonderful. 481 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: Thanks Eve, thank you so much for coming on the 482 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: bright side and bringing the fair Play deck with you. 483 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 5: Oh, thank you for your vulnerability and for letting me 484 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 5: turn the tables and let you answer questions and. 485 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 4: For bringing all that heart. 486 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 6: Thank you, big hugs. 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