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Speaker 1: We're talking draft right now on radio row here at

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Speaker 1: the Combine. Casey Valiers along. I'm Matt Taylor at our

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Speaker 1: table right now. One of the best draft analysts in

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Speaker 1: the game. Chris Trepasso from CBS CP. What's going on, man,

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Speaker 1: how are you? It's going pretty good. It's great being

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Speaker 1: back here. Wasn't here last year, but just to be

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Speaker 1: back in Indie to take everything in. See the setup here,

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Speaker 1: the GM speaking now, we're getting some prospects. It's my

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Speaker 1: favorite week of the pre draft process. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's there's four thousand strong, man. So if this convention

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Speaker 1: center is so big, there's another convention going on, like

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Speaker 1: the Gasoline Ellie Expo, which I don't know what that is.

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Speaker 1: I saw that in one of the ballrooms. This building

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Speaker 1: never ceases to a major massive listen. Month of May

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Speaker 1: many it's coming right. Month of May is here for sure?

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Speaker 1: All right? For you? What are you tracking so far?

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Speaker 1: What are some things you've heard by gms or coaches

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Speaker 1: so far that directly impact the draft for you? And

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Speaker 1: kind of what you're tracking here? Well, I think it

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Speaker 1: all kind of centers around the Colts and are they

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Speaker 1: going to be the team that aids up to number

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Speaker 1: one overall, mostly out at the bars in the restaurants,

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Speaker 1: and here it's been how the quarterbacks are going to

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Speaker 1: work out comparatively. I know we're not going to get

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young, which is kind of a bummer. Not surprising though.

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Speaker 1: I mean he can stand on his film at Alabama

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Speaker 1: the last two years how he measures in. I think again,

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Speaker 1: we had it with Baker Mayfield, we had it with

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. People are gonna really be paying attention to

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Speaker 1: is he six foot probably not? Is he two hundred

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Speaker 1: pounds maybe right around there? And then C J. Stroud,

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Speaker 1: Will Levis and Anthony Richardson. Everyone's like having their predictions

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Speaker 1: of how they're going to work out. I think Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson is going to test through the roof and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be like six four, two hundred and thirty pounds.

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Speaker 1: So even though he is very raw as a passer,

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Speaker 1: he looks the part of a Josh Allen, of a

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Justin Herbert, how much of his testing this

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Speaker 1: week potentially, like you said, if that does come to fruition,

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Speaker 1: how much will that help his draft stock? How how

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Speaker 1: willing do you think teams are going to be to

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Speaker 1: grab him, despite the small sample size, despite the accuracy

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Speaker 1: numbers being what they were last year, it'll be huge.

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Speaker 1: I mean if he tests and it will all be

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Speaker 1: height and weight based, of course, kind of have to

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Speaker 1: use that as your guide. If he tests pretty good,

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Speaker 1: people say, okay, this is a middle of the first

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Speaker 1: round lottery ticket that might have, you know, a huge payoff.

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Speaker 1: But if he runs like low four fives, has a

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Speaker 1: thirty five plus inch vertical and tests like one of

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Speaker 1: the best athletes we've seen at the position, which I

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Speaker 1: think he will, then we could be talking about this

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Speaker 1: is a locked in top ten, maybe even top five pick.

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Speaker 1: I put him at number one overall to the Colts

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Speaker 1: in a recent mock draft WHOA which we can get

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Speaker 1: into who because again, I think from just talking to

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Speaker 1: people a little bit last year during the pre draft process,

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Speaker 1: and then here because of Patrick Mahomes, because of Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, even Trevor Lawrence in the division, teams are

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Speaker 1: understanding that these quarterback first round picks are lottery tickets.

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Speaker 1: They want the one with the highest payoff. Bryce Young,

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Speaker 1: you're getting an instant, high level starter. Is he ever

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Speaker 1: going to be able to outduel Josh Allen or Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes with the throwing ability, the designed run game which

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Speaker 1: I think Shane Stiken wants to incorporate into this offense.

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Speaker 1: Probably not, so he's the high floor safe pick. Some

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Speaker 1: teams will certainly have him at their number one quarterback,

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of teams, but there will also

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Speaker 1: be a lot of intrigue for Richardson and guys like

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Speaker 1: Will Levis. Now with that being said, you talk about

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Speaker 1: Shane Styke and he's got, you know, a very interesting

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Speaker 1: at it from a national perspective, does that kind of

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Speaker 1: add that intrigue on why Anthony Richardson could be a

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Speaker 1: guy to the Colts because he's worked with a handful

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Speaker 1: of difference you want to go with that big lottery

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Speaker 1: mainly what I mentioned with Anthony Richardson and the Shane

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Speaker 1: who's going to trade up to one? Outside of those

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Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers are the one that is kind of buzz

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Speaker 1: Certainly we got to see Derek Carr, Aaron Rodgers, how

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Speaker 1: running the Colts, if you're a GM here in Indianapolis,

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Speaker 1: how disappointed would you be if you don't get the

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Speaker 1: you stay at how nuts would that drive? Well, what

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Speaker 1: two years with Jalen Hurts. Yeah. Now, for me, it

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Speaker 1: later in the first rounds. Chris Drapasso with us NFL

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Speaker 1: miss out on the receiver depth and really the best

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Speaker 1: they definitely need to prioritize after quarterback wide receiver. So

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Speaker 1: Stay at four. Pick CJ. Strout, who's actually my number

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Speaker 1: He has the the size of Anthony Richardson. He has

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Speaker 1: Chris Trapasso, NFL draft analysts from CBS. What's the rest

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