WEBVTT - In a Sense 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:12.440 American reports or the story here, and he hasn't told 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:17.400 me about that. That's Daniel Hopsicker, the Florida based reporter 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:21.320 who penned the Moniker and has written extensively about cocaine. One. 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.720 It seems to think that Fernando Blanco s is hiding something. 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:30.319 We're hiding a lot of things. Blankio is we've heard, 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:32.800 claims to be the man behind the d C nine 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:35.640 with five plus tons of cocaine that got busted in 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.960 Compech on April ten, two thousand six. In his first 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:43.800 round of recorded interviews with the Reward Manuelatios, blank You 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:46.600 insisted that he had purchased the d C nine, that 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.279 the previous owners, Fred Geffen and Royal Son's Inc. Had 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.320 committed a major error by not immediately canceling the plane's registration. 0:00:55.080 --> 0:01:14.199 Here's what he told many owner in our own people. 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.160 It was their mistake, he says, the grave one, because 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:25.440 the plane was flying as if it still belonged to 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:28.160 its US owners, and no one will believe them when 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:31.559 they say that they had already sold it. Blankfield claims 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.880 that he had nothing to do with Geffen and Royal Sons. 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.639 He claims that Jorge whom he describes the business partner 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:41.680 in his legal companies coordinated the purchase at the DC 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.800 nine without any knowledge of Blankiell's plans for the plane. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:53.080 Hop Sticker, however, just doesn't buy it. Were you growers 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:59.040 in the airplane and in that plane when it was 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:07.040 questioned owned Fred given Oh if you read again, his 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:12.800 willing document had been mosted by d A and rolled 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:18.560 over and was working for them ever since. Perfect Yes, 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:23.640 although actually thank you does mention the CIA so very briefly. 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:39.400 Here's what he told Menu yet, which means I can 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.200 send you those documents, that the planes really were connected 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.400 to the CIA, that the plane was in Montanamo, that 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.400 the plane was in Paris with the CIA, that the plane, 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:53.079 my plane really made flights for the CIA. Thank You'll 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.760 never sent those documents. But he told Manuel that the 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.359 d e A sent an agent on April eleven, the 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:03.240 day after the drug bust. That agent interviewed local airport 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.880 authorities from Blankio says, we're on his payroll. Those authorities, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.919 confronted with the evidence from the Falcon twenty, also confiscated 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.480 in Campeche, told the d e A agent that Raoul 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.880 Himenes Alfaro was the owner of the plane and that 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:24.359 Raoul Himenez Alfaro was Fernando Blanco Scena. From that moment, 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:29.600 Blankio says, the d A spent two years confiscating businesses, properties, 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.960 and bank accounts belonging to Fernando Blanco Scena and Raoul 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:38.120 Himenez al Faro. But the d A never charged Blancio 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.440 or Raoul with any crimes related to the DC nine, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.120 not even when they realized that they had arrested him 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:49.120 or rather both of them in the Dominican Republic by mistake, 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:55.120 perhaps illegally. The plane shows up on a runway but 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.960 a small coastal airport in Mexico, stuffed with coke. The 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.840 Mexican Army says that irregular flight behavior raised suspicions and 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.800 that the plane and the blow belonged to El Chapo Busman. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:11.040 The Venezuelan government investigates the plane and produces witnesses who 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.160 say the plane was empty as it was being repaired 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:17.239 on the runway in Caracas. Fred Geffon says he sold 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:19.440 the plane through a broker and does not know the 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:23.880 identity of the purchaser. Jorge Coles says that Geffon does 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.760 know who the purchaser was, though he declines to name him. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:32.520 Two reporters and Fernando Blancio, who was also Raoul Himenes 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:39.279 Alfaro and Luis Albert Ortega sal and Jorge Alberto Mario 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:45.120 Serrano and Luis Fernando luch Castillo says that the plane 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.800 and half of the coke were his, that the other 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:52.320 half belonged to his Columbian partner. Blanco also says that 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.239 he loaded the plane there in Venezuela before the first 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.279 of the two doomed take off attempts, And he says 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:00.040 that he never had anything to do with Geff and 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.599 royal Son's Inc. And that, by the way, the plane 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.920 used to make CIA flights to Wantnamo. And you know what, 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.719 I think they all lie. They mixed pieces of truth 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.000 with bits of lies and try to tell captivating story, 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.880 an exciting story, a useful story for moving whatever it 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.120 is they're trying to move. What we can gather from 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:25.760 all these stories, however, is that a single airplane loaded 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:29.320 with cocaine brings together the d e A, the CIA, 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:34.240 the Mexican Army, the Venezuela National Guard, and Fernando Blancos, 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.839 a mid level pilot an air logistics manager for illegal 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:42.799 drug corporations, with some thirty years of experience under his belt, 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.120 now serving time in the US for things he didn't 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:51.320 even do. My name for now is John Gibbler, and 0:05:51.440 --> 0:06:08.760 this like Jacob Homer is Transportista episode ten in a 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:14.520 sense m H. When Fernando Blanco Sisna reached out to Detective, 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.480 he promised the story that would be better than the 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:22.640 Zapatista rebellion of January and the murder of presidential candidate 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:28.320 Luis Donaldo Colosio nearly three months later. Here again is 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.400 how many Latios described Blankio's first getting in touch with 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.680 Diego so Orno and Detective, pitching them his life story. First, 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:41.480 he was like, really mysterious guy because he only gave 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:45.000 me a phone number, and he told me, you gotta 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.760 call this guy. He's supposed to be in jail. He 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.479 he's been telling me that he has a great, great 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.800 story to tell us that is better than a documentary 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:59.800 that we released couple of months months earlier. In in 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:07.320 ethics started like I don't know if the right name. 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.760 He was looking for the age and he was really 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:15.200 anxious to talk to him. So Dego gave me the 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:19.880 assignment and so I called him. When I read through 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.200 the transcripts of Blankie's interviews with Menue, I noticed that 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.560 blank You mentioned a few other reporters with whom he 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.600 had been in contact. I decided to call him up 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.160 and asked them about their experiences speaking with and the 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:34.400 impressions of blank You. The first reporter I called agreed 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.360 only to speak to me off the record. The second 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:41.840 reporter I called this herd reis a remarkable Colombia investigator journalist, 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:46.080 the director of UNIVISILS investigated Unit, the author of many books, 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:50.360 including most recently alex sob The Truth About the Businessmen 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:55.800 who Became a multi Millionaire Nicolas Malulu's Shadow. An episode 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.280 two of this podcast, I mentioned that when I first 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.840 reached out to Raise an early one, he was surprised 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:03.440 to hear that I was working on a story about 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:06.600 link Field. Raise told me that Blink he had long 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.840 promised him the exclusive rights his story, that he would 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.000 tell rays all that he had done and all that 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.640 he knew for a book or a film that would 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.440 blow people's minds. Raya said that while he was still 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.480 hoping for the promised permission to materialize, he had not 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:25.400 been in touch with things recently, as we heard an 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.440 episode two, Rays was getting ready to release the television 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:31.240 segment using interviews with BLENK Hill in two thousand seventeen 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.440 when blink Hill sent him a strange letter. Here again 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.960 is what Ray has told me. So when we were 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:43.160 preparing a special program about the Chappo Bushman, I convinced 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.680 blank Hire to go on the record. My idea was 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:51.160 recording him from jail by using his voice over with 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:55.560 a video and image. As the people from the Making 0:08:55.600 --> 0:09:01.080 a Morder documentary did greatly. He was very helpful. He 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:05.360 not only described Goose Money, his different stage of his 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:10.640 lives and basically he's playing out the air force of 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:15.640 the Sinaloa cartel, operates the procedures to land a small 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.959 plane in Aclandestine, track of the Sierra Madre, the international 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.440 routes of the drug trade, and how they refuel the 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:28.440 planes on Earth. He explained that step by step. But 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:33.439 days before we were going toward the program, blame him 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.880 a step back and he said that he would not 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:41.560 authorize the interview. He sent a letter in legal terms 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:46.599 arguing that the revelation of his sustainments will put him 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:51.480 and his family and risk, or something like that despite 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:56.480 that I have his authorization on the record, I decided 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.080 not to use the interview. Then I learned that you 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:14.520 guys been in contact with several reporters offering his life story. 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.200 The letter, in legal terms that Rais mentions, is an 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:25.960 affidavid that Blankholl wrote, signed, had notarized, and filed in 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.640 his own court case in November two thousand seventeen. The 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:33.840 affidavit summarizes blank Hill's correspondence with Rays and then forbids 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.480 Rays from using any of the material from those interviews. 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:42.080 The document, written after Blankholl gave Raise his authorization, as 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:45.000 far as I can see, has no legal standing whatsoever. 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.880 If two people sign a contract, one person alone cannot 0:10:49.880 --> 0:10:53.120 rescind or change the terms of that contract. When two 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:57.440 parties established an initial agreement, both parties must similarly establish 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:02.600 any alterations to that agreement. Pretty basic right. Thus, finding 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:05.560 an affidavit about his interviews with the journalist in his 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.120 drug trafficking court case, which he pleaded guilty and then 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.880 unsuccessfully tried to alter his plea, seems to me to 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.120 be a kind of legal oid trick designed to intimidate reporters. 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.240 Rais says that he had Blankiell's authorization on the record, 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.400 but decided not to use the interview that He was 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:25.960 thus surprised when I reached out to him and said 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.839 that Blankio had been telling his life story to defective. 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.840 When I accessed Blinkiell's court case, I found another affidavit 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:39.880 filed in January, and this time naming Daniel Hopsicker. Hop 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.480 Sicker told me he didn't even know that this affidavit existed. 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.120 It seems that Blankio filed the affidavit after speaking with 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.800 Hopsicker in person. Blinkio had reached out the Hopsicker and 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:52.840 invited him to visit him and talk in prison, just 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:56.720 as he had done with Reis. When I first called 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.959 hop Sicker, I didn't know that he'd been to meet 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.959 blank You in prison. Here's how he described that meeting 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:03.800 to me. I guess you wanted to talk a little 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.640 bit a bit about Fernando who I went up to 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:12.600 see UM three or four years ago. Um, there's nobody 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:16.640 even knew, Okay, I mean, I had written been writing 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:19.760 about the the bust of the DC nine with five 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:24.880 and a half tons of cocaine UM, and he was arrested, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:32.160 UM extradited too. The U S um, convicted to trial 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.400 and sent to prison, all before anyone. And you know, 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.079 you could see I probably did five a couple of 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.600 hundred stories about it um without anyone knowing, without without 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:49.080 without anyone knowing that he had been involved with five 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:54.240 and a half turns of cocaine um, which is pretty amazing. 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.400 But but but it's the way, it's the way things go. 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:02.319 It's the way things go here in the stage. He 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.319 wouldn't he UM. I mean he would he talked, but 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:08.120 he wouldn't talk talk. I mean it was like he 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:13.000 would like late he was. He was attempting to market 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:19.080 what he knew two prosecutors in Nil Chapel case. And 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:21.000 I don't know if he was distressful or not, because 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.680 I got disgusted. Oh, I don't know if we're still 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:26.960 in prison or not. The god forsaken prison in North 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.839 Carolina that hop Sicker mentions is the River's Correctional Institution 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.320 from which Blankfield spoke with Menu on a smuggle the cellphone. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.240 The two thousand sixteen Department of Justice report had this 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.439 to say about the place Rivers had the highest rats 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:46.640 of contraband finds excluding cell phones, inmate assaults on staff 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:51.000 uses the force, guilty findings on inmate discipline cases and 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:55.960 made grievances positive drug tests inmate on inmate sexual misconduct, 0:13:56.320 --> 0:14:00.760 and the lowest phone monitoring rate. God for sinking. Indeed, 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.440 Blink You apparently was moved to another prison in Georgia 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.360 during the pandemic. I told the hop sicker that Blinks 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:09.320 he was still in prison though he seems to have 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.520 been moved, and asked him if you could tell me 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.960 a bit more about what impression blinks You made on 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.000 him when they met. Oh, I feel sorry for him 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.720 when I met him. Um, by time I left, I 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.840 didn't bet. But um, you know, the people are in 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.920 prisoned in the United States and in conditions that that 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.080 I should be international scandal. Um. I mean it wasn't 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:36.280 as if he had things any harder than anybody else there. 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.080 But I mean it wasn't. It was only you know, 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:43.520 it was like a media mock up. But it just looked, 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:47.600 I mean, still divine. And then he had been there 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:51.440 every four years already, and and he had solicited me 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.760 to come see him, and so I should left all 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:55.680 the way up there, you know, a day and a 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.160 half drive up there, and he had decided, well, he 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.440 would talk just a little bit because he was trying 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:05.760 to retail his story to the plasticators in the JAPO case. 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:10.320 He worked for Jack, so I disgussed. Didn't want to 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:13.040 tell the truth, he wanted to sell the truth. Hop 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.080 stickers appraisal here find some support in the court documents. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.720 U S. Attorney's initially presented blink Yo as a star 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.560 cooperating witness before cutting ties with him and accusing him 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:28.520 of trying to sell his testimony. Blink Hill says that 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.000 U S attorneys lie. He told Menu that the U 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:34.720 S Attorneys told him not to include any information in 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:38.040 his testimony while acts of violence carried out against him 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.280 and his family by another drug trafficker. He was also 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:45.000 collaborating with the d e A. Such evidence retarnished that 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:49.080 person standing as a reputable witness in other cases. Blinkyo 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.360 says that the U S. Attorney has told him, I 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.640 wouldn't be surprised if both the d e A and 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.560 blink Kill's accusations against each other were actually true or 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:04.080 true in part regardless, the idea of a man marketing 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.760 the truth resonates with me. Here what I've heard in 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.080 how Blinkio tells his stories, and in the experiences of 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.720 the reporters who have spoken with him, gives me the 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:18.160 impression of a mid level executive in a global illegal industry, 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:22.000 an industry that depends upon the constant production of official 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:25.840 invisibility and thus on the marketing of stories told with 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:30.120 facts and lies. An executive who, upon being stripped of 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:33.880 his airplanes and bank accounts and multiple passports and taken 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.080 off to prison, turns to the only resource he has 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.600 left to try and keep his business afloat. A man who, 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.640 after decades of ups and downs flying cocaine all over 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:48.720 the world, finds himself behind bars and becomes a trafficker 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:53.200 of his own story, as Hopstaker says, a man who 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.560 does not want to tell the truth, but to sell 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.360 the truth. Over the ten plus years he has been 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:02.680 imprisoned during a thirteen years sentence, he has sought out 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.920 and spoken with several reporters, and then filed legal oid 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:09.720 documents attempting to forbid those reporters from publishing anything he 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:15.760 told them. The affidavits naming Herradorius and Daniel hop Saker 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.479 are not the only ones in his file, and all 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.800 these affidavits and a glorious twist of Irony are signed 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:29.119 by one Luis Fernando Bertolo, a man arrested by the 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.320 d e A in the Dominican Republic, taken to Miami 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:35.960 and sentenced for drug trafficking crimes he had not yet committed. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:41.400 A man who in a sense does not even exist, 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.240 but on Sportista is that that the Diva production with 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:52.359 Exiled Content Studio in partnership with iHeart Radio's Michael Tura 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:57.840 podcast Network, Directed and narrated by John Gibbler, Transportista's voice 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.840 by jaquinoo At Its ing and sound design by Ferdandolo 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:06.360 La Rosa and Pedro Garcia. 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