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Speaker 1: most enjoyable thing for me is watching the tape. That's

430
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Speaker 1: my simple answer to that one. That's funny. So my

431
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Speaker 1: my my thing was the challenging part was the projection

432
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Speaker 1: as it comes from college to the pros, because it's

433
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Speaker 1: really an apple's to oranges evaluation. You're watching uh kids

434
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Speaker 1: play against kids, whereas when they go into the National

435
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,119
Speaker 1: Football League, they're playing against some of the best men

436
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Speaker 1: that you will find, and sometimes you just don't know

437
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Speaker 1: how they're going to project when they get out of

438
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Speaker 1: their comfort zone in college scheme, uh, environment, uh, money,

439
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 1: all those other things. And so that is the toughest

440
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Speaker 1: thing to projection part. The most enjoyable part is when

441
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Speaker 1: you're part of a team. Is being a part of

442
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Speaker 1: a team that goes on and has success at a

443
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Speaker 1: high level, meaning winning playoff games, winning division titles, being

444
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Speaker 1: able to win a Super Bowl. I think they would

445
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 1: be the most enjoyable part because as a scout is different.

446
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 1: Your report card comes later. Your report card is down

447
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Speaker 1: the line, three or four years down the line. Whereas coaches,

448
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: they get evaluated each week. A we either passed or

449
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,879
Speaker 1: failed the class on Sunday, scouts and evaluate it. It's

450
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Speaker 1: a little longer. So yeah, the challenging part is seeing

451
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Speaker 1: how it all plays out down the road. Yeah, I

452
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,080
Speaker 1: think you said that beautifully. When I I'll just to

453
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Speaker 1: summarize what I was saying, just trying to figure out

454
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Speaker 1: I think watching the tape and watching the players, that's

455
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Speaker 1: gotten to the point where it's not too difficult to

456
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Speaker 1: figure out who can play, But then what makes these

457
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Speaker 1: guys tick? What's their character like, especially on the outside

458
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Speaker 1: when you're not with a team. That's a hard part

459
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Speaker 1: for us. Um So that's kind of I would break

460
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Speaker 1: that down, all right. The next question what QB evaluation

461
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Speaker 1: have you been the most wrong about is that? Uh?

462
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Speaker 1: Is that player? Uh? Was that player much better than

463
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Speaker 1: you're great at the NFL level? And what did that

464
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Speaker 1: teach you? And I that's a question from at Brandon

465
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Speaker 1: Dower and Brandon, that's that's a question. Look, we can

466
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Speaker 1: go through and find tons of them. Buck Uh. I

467
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: would say, you're always trying to learn lessons on guys

468
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,440
Speaker 1: you get right or guys you get wrong. That's why

469
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Speaker 1: we do the hits and mrs um. But I feel

470
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Speaker 1: like two guys, you know, Patrick mahomes Um. I know

471
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Speaker 1: I mentioned that he's you know, was a boomer bust

472
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Speaker 1: high ceiling, low floor. Obviously he's hit the ceiling. So um.

473
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Speaker 1: In some ways, I feel like, Okay, I knew he

474
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Speaker 1: had this capabilities. I bet on the under. I should

475
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Speaker 1: have been on the over. And I think the lesson

476
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Speaker 1: that I took from that was, Man, we got to

477
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Speaker 1: talk to him that late in the process, and we're

478
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Speaker 1: still impressed with him with his intelligence, his recall, his leadership, personality,

479
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,440
Speaker 1: his whole everything about him being around him. Um was, Man,

480
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: you gotta find a way to get some time with

481
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Speaker 1: these kids earlier on in the process. That was my

482
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Speaker 1: lesson with Mahomes and then Russell Wilson, who's one that

483
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Speaker 1: I loved as a player buck, but I I still

484
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Speaker 1: put a ceiling on him in terms of where to

485
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Speaker 1: put the grade because of his height. And I think

486
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Speaker 1: we've seen the rest of the league kind of learned

487
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Speaker 1: that lesson collectively. Yeah, it's funny. Um Pat ma Holmes

488
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 1: is the one for me. Um. Pat Mahomes is a

489
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Speaker 1: guy that I struggled with in the evaluation part of it.

490
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Speaker 1: Like I struggled Um with trying to figure out what

491
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Speaker 1: he could be at the next level, because I've never

492
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Speaker 1: seen this kind of thing before. I've never seen a

493
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Speaker 1: player who played the way that he played at Texas

494
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Speaker 1: Tech and have sustainable success. This meaning he was a

495
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Speaker 1: sandllite player at Texas Tech. He had to do a

496
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Speaker 1: lot um Obviously, we mentioned the number of throws that

497
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Speaker 1: he had. He didn't have a lot of high end

498
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Speaker 1: or NFL talent, and so I just worried about the

499
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Speaker 1: bad habits that maybe he formed at Texas Tech trying

500
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Speaker 1: to make these plays, because we would see these improbable

501
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Speaker 1: throws where he's rolling left, throwing back right, all the

502
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Speaker 1: things that coaches till young quarterbacks not to do, and

503
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Speaker 1: we saw him kind of living on the edge, and

504
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Speaker 1: I just wondered if any coach in the pros would

505
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Speaker 1: be able to kind of reel him back in. Um.

506
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Speaker 1: The talent was there, the other stuff was there, but

507
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Speaker 1: still at the time when he came out, we hadn't

508
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Speaker 1: seen a lot of success from air A quarterbacks, and

509
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Speaker 1: so because of that look, I downgraded him. I downgraded

510
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Speaker 1: him because of the the I would call it frenetic

511
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Speaker 1: style and the lack of track record for aver A quarterbacks,

512
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Speaker 1: and so it kind of left me to leave him.

513
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like a projected second round guy based

514
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Speaker 1: on how I thought he would play, and he surpassed

515
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Speaker 1: all of that, and you're right late in the process,

516
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Speaker 1: we got a chance to sit with him on this podcast.

517
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Speaker 1: He's that right here in the studio and we talked

518
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Speaker 1: to him, and when he walked out the door, we said, oh, man,

519
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: I wish we had talked to him earlier before we

520
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: did theft, before we did the top five, because he

521
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: was smart. He had tremendous recall. I remember you asking

522
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Speaker 1: him a question about a play maybe against Kansas State,

523
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Speaker 1: and he was able to dial it up precisely. And

524
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Speaker 1: so the great quarterbacks, the great players, they live and

525
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: breathe it. That interaction that we had with Pat mahomes here,

526
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Speaker 1: I was like, man, this dude kind of he kind

527
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Speaker 1: of lives it. He kind of breathes it like he

528
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Speaker 1: he kind of has that it. So Pat mahomes to

529
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Speaker 1: me is the evaluation that I got wrong and that

530
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Speaker 1: I really learned a lot from Yeah, and I think

531
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Speaker 1: that another way I would say less than I tried

532
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Speaker 1: to take from that was if you have guys that

533
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Speaker 1: are quote unquote kind of a boom or bust. A

534
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: lot of times that comes down to the kid, like

535
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Speaker 1: what makes him tick, How motivated is he, how passionate

536
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Speaker 1: is he. He might not be where he is where

537
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Speaker 1: he needs to be right now, but if he's got

538
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Speaker 1: that upside. To me, gamble the guys. You want to

539
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,400
Speaker 1: gamble on the guys with upside that have all the intangibles.

540
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Speaker 1: So if you've got the upside and the intangibles, lesson

541
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Speaker 1: learn on my end, Like, Okay, go in on those guys.

542
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: Don't don't worry about it. Take your shot. Yeah, it's

543
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Speaker 1: it's um, it's something to be learned. Like he he

544
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 1: just is a guy that that makes a ton of plays. Uh,

545
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: and you just didn't know. And I think that is

546
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Speaker 1: why we always talk about like get to know the kid,

547
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it is bet on

548
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 1: the kid, bet on the character of the kid. Here

549
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Speaker 1: we go. Uh. The fourth we got question? The fourth question,

550
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Speaker 1: which team should move up in the first round of

551
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Speaker 1: the draft? And for who that's at? Mr jackal Man,

552
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: this is an interesting question. I think you think. I

553
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: think moving up in the first round. I think it's

554
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: about having currency and having a player that you want

555
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: to target. UM. The two teams that I think have

556
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Speaker 1: the currency in the first round, the Miami Dolphins and

557
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Speaker 1: the Oakland Raiders. UM. And when you move up, you're

558
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Speaker 1: moving up to target a blue chip player. I think

559
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Speaker 1: if you're the Miami Dolphins, and depending on how this

560
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,400
Speaker 1: quarterback thing shakes out, Joe Burrow to a talk about

561
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: loa either one, I think you move up to ensure

562
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Speaker 1: that you get one of those quarterbacks. If you feel

563
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Speaker 1: like those two guys are separated apart from other guys,

564
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Speaker 1: I think you have to make the move to get

565
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Speaker 1: the franchise quarterback of your choice. So I'm the Miami Dolphins,

566
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Speaker 1: I'll target one of those quarterbacks. Assuming Joe Burrow goes,

567
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Speaker 1: then I'm moving up to get to the number two

568
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Speaker 1: position to make sure that I can get to them. Yeah,

569
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Speaker 1: I like that. I throw the chargers in there too.

570
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Speaker 1: I think there, you know there's some urgency. They're going

571
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Speaker 1: into new building. Philip Rivers has moved on to be

572
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Speaker 1: able to find your quarterback. Now, they don't have all

573
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Speaker 1: those extra picks, but they have a very talented roster Buck.

574
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Speaker 1: So either you can get creative and package players with picks,

575
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Speaker 1: or you get you You spend this next period of

576
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Speaker 1: time once the league year starts to be able to

577
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Speaker 1: maybe trade some veterans, acquire some picks and kind of

578
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Speaker 1: increase your arsenal there. So you have what you need

579
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Speaker 1: if you wanted to move up for a guy like

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Speaker 1: to them. So I keep an eye on them all right.

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Speaker 1: Next question, Uh, let's go here five. I think we

582
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Speaker 1: kind of touched on the one right after that, Bucks

583
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Speaker 1: the same that's kind of the same question we just answered.

584
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Speaker 1: So let's go to the next one. Uh, do you

585
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: think Ceedee Lamb is too tempting for the Cardinals to

586
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: pass on over an offensive lineman? Reuniting Murray and Ceedee

587
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: Lamb Um. This is interesting question. And while I love

588
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, buck, let me give you my theory on

589
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: why I think I would go the offensive line route

590
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: number one. Protecting Kirk. Not only you want to I

591
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Speaker 1: mean protecting Kirk, protecting um Um Murray. You want to

592
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: be able to keep him healthy. But it's not only that,

593
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: but it's not even keeping him healthy. You remember earlier

594
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Speaker 1: in the year they tried to get everybody out in

595
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: the route they couldn't protect, and then then you saw

596
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Speaker 1: Kingsbury start playing with more tight ends, had to adjust

597
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Speaker 1: what he was doing to help give him some time,

598
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: and it was a lot of two man three man routes. Um. Well,

599
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Speaker 1: for that offense to go as they envision it, they

600
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: gotta get more guys out and the only way you

601
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: can get more guys out is if you're better upfront.

602
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Speaker 1: So while I love Ceedee Lamb, I'm I'm made, I

603
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: am the president of the Ceedee Lamb Fan Club. I

604
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 1: think for their offense, it do them more good and

605
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: give them more that they could expand in their offense

606
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Speaker 1: if they got better upfront, which would keep them from

607
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: having to keep those tight ends in look, man, I

608
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Speaker 1: I love the situation a lot of times. DJ and

609
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: we've talked about this. We've talked about in the days

610
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: leading up to the draft to exercise that we typically

611
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: do as a scouting staff. What we do is we

612
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: kind of assess where the strengths and the weaknesses in

613
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: the draft, where is the depth and so this year

614
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: in this class, the strengths the supply is that wide receiver. Uh.

615
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: The offensive line class is good, the offensive tackle class

616
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: is solid. Is solid at the top. Though, So if

617
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: I could tell you that, hey, I could go and

618
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: get one of the top offensive tackles and then come

619
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Speaker 1: back and maybe in the second round get Jalen reagor

620
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: are Brandon Aiyuk, I think I would take that because

621
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: the drop off is so significant at offensive tackle that

622
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: I would rather get the best offensive tackle that I

623
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: could get and then maybe get a B plus wide

624
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: receiver in the second round. Because we have seen second

625
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: round receivers A J. Brown, uh, Deebo Samuel, we saw

626
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas. Those guys have emerged him in big time playmakers. Yeah,

627
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm opting for the big guy over the skill guy

628
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: because in the second round I can get a skilled

629
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Speaker 1: guy that can be a Pro Bowl caliber player. All right,

630
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: we'll get us to the next question here book. Oh man,

631
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: look at this rich non quarterback has the highest selling

632
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: in this draft offense and defense. Man, This is by

633
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: at tag about nothing. This is interesting to me, and

634
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me, um because there are a couple

635
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: of different guys that kind of pop when I think

636
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: of it. Uh. The first guy that pops and comes

637
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: to mind Derek Brown for Auburn. And I know people

638
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: talk about, oh, Dick Brown, he's a blue chip player. Yeah,

639
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: but I don't think we've given Derek Brown enough conversation

640
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: about how good he could be. We've talked about Chase

641
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: Young being the best defensive player in the draft. But

642
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: I think we can make a case that even though

643
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: Chase Young is a generational talent in terms of checking

644
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: off all the boxes, when you look at Derek Brown

645
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: on tape, Derry Brown does some special things. And I

646
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: hate to say this because it's almost blasphemous for me

647
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: to mention him with the name that I'm gonna mention,

648
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: but Ingram Bay, I had an opportunity to play with

649
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: the late Reggie White, and I'm not saying that Derek

650
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: Brown is Reggie White. But what I'm saying is some

651
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: of the things that I saw Derek Brown do on

652
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: tape in terms of throwing guys and humping guys, that's

653
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: the stuff that I remember ninety two doing for the

654
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers. And once again, I'm not saying he

655
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: is that, but Derek Brown is a grown man, and

656
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: I just believe at this level, sometimes inside you have

657
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: to have someone that is an absolute destroyer. He is

658
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: a destroyer of young men inside. Yeah, that that hump move,

659
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: which is just taking your inside arm forklifting the dude

660
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: up in the air and throwing him aside. What Reggie

661
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: White did for all those years. You see Derek Brown

662
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: do that. I was having a conversation with the GM

663
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: the other day and I said, I said, hey, do

664
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: you like the uh you like the L s U Guard?

665
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: I just finished watching the LSU Guard. I think Damian Lewis,

666
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: He's like God, I'm just not that fired up about him.

667
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: I go, look, did you watch the Army? Yeah? I watch.

668
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: Look that dude at Auburn does that to everybody. Don't

669
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: penalize the guard from L s U. He does that

670
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: to everybody. Go watch some other guys, that guy is

671
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: not human. Okay, so you gotta divorce yourself from that.

672
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: You can't. You can't let Derek Brown reckon shop on

673
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: these offensive lineman. Allow you to kill the offensive lineman

674
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: because he did it to everybody he played against. He's

675
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: a look dj um And I know we we talked

676
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: about the SEC and I know as he's he's kind

677
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: of been put on the pedal still when it comes

678
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: to producing talent. But sometimes when you just happen to

679
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: watch guys and you're watching the Auburn tape and you're

680
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: looking at Derek Brown just act like a superhero. He's

681
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: just knocking people around or whatever. He's knocking people around. It.

682
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: I think Morland Davidson looks at him in film and

683
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: it's like, I guess I'm supposed to knock people around

684
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: two because when I looked at the L s U game,

685
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: I saw both of those guys. I saw both of

686
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: those guys just tossing people out the club. It's it's

687
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: unbelievable to watch it. But yeah, Derek Brown, Derek Brown

688
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: is especial player. And I think in any other draft class,

689
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: we didn't have like these quarterbacks and the fascination about

690
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: the throwers. We will be talking about the conversation between

691
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: Derek Brown Chase Young, which one would you want? Which

692
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: one is going to be the guy that dominates the

693
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: league for the next ten years. I asked Burrow, who's

694
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: the best player you played against? He said, Derek Brown.

695
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: I said, who's the second best player you played against?

696
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: Marlon Davidson that that Auburn defensive line was no joke man. Uh?

697
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: He big time, big time dudes. Uh. The other other

698
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: upside guys, I would say Buck for for me, Um,

699
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: I'll say Simmons just because Isaiah Simmons can do so

700
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: many things on defense. He's kind of the new wave

701
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: player from Clemson. So I'll put him on the upside.

702
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: And then for for the offensive side, non quarterback upside,

703
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go McKay Beckton uh from Louis because you

704
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: just at six seven, three seventy pounds to move around

705
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: like he does. I mean, that's to me the definition

706
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: of upside, like what what you could do with him

707
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: and what he can be? Hey, DJ, and I know,

708
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: like talking about offensive tackles isn't necessarily a sexy topic,

709
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: Like it's not one desk going to generated a lot

710
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: of clicks, but I had a chance to go back

711
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: through because I was doing all my top five and

712
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: I was looking at all the offensive tackles at the

713
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: top of the board or whatever, and man, I think

714
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: this is a rare year where you can have your choice.

715
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking at Beckton and I'm writing down in my

716
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: nose like, oh, dancing bear strong with light feed and

717
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: this and that, And then I go right back to Worfs,

718
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: Tristian Worfs from Iowa, and I'm looking at him and

719
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, dancing bear life feed, nice technique. Then

720
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's like, oh, dancing bear, nice feet.

721
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: I just believe this is a special year where you

722
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: really have like five guys that could could go in

723
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: the first round, maybe even more at offense tackle. But

724
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: all of these guys should be Day one players. And

725
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: even though some have played right tackle in college, I mean,

726
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: they have the footwork that would normally be ruther is

727
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: required of being a left tackle in the league. I agree. Uh,

728
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: the next question, I feel like we've already kind of

729
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: answered the Dolphins trade up. Uh, you already kind of

730
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: mentioned that they should, so we can skip that one. Well,

731
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: let's go to the next one here. Well, will there

732
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: be a three down linebacker available to the Packers when

733
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: they pick it thirty? They need speed linebacker and wide

734
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: receivers deep, So if Kenneth Murray is there, they take him. Right. Um,

735
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: I think that's a I think that would be a

736
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: great pick for them if they picked Kenneth Murray. There.

737
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: I know he got mad at me the other day

738
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: or I don't know, he retweeted something because yeah, because

739
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: you know one of those deals where you do an

740
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: interview and they ask you, um, hey, is Kenneth Murray?

741
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: Is he is he Luke Keikley. Uh I'll say this,

742
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: I'll say this. He can be so he can be

743
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: mad at me. Uh no, no, no, no, um. He

744
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 1: he is a good player. He's fast, explosive, but instinctwise,

745
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: that's that's a different level there. You know. No, I

746
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: don't put him with the Devon's from last year. I

747
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: don't put him with Devon Bush or Devon White. But

748
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: he's a really good football player and at thirty Yeah,

749
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm with that for the Packers. Okay, So

750
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 1: so the great that I gave him DJ is right

751
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: at that that it would be right at that borderline

752
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: first second round thing. When I looked at him and

753
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 1: evaluated him, I was like, look, man, super athletic, quick

754
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 1: fast sideline, the sideline, good blisser and stints. It's good

755
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: cover skills. But you know what I never saw. I

756
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: didn't see a great player in any one area, you know, like,

757
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: And it was tough because what you're looking at you

758
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: looking to see, Hey, can I see him dominate? And

759
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: it's funny. I watched him, and then I wanted Zach

760
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: Bard back to back, and I looked at the Wisconsin kid,

761
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the Wisconsin kid. Come off the edge.

762
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: He's making plays, he's tracking people down from the back end.

763
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: And so my thing is when you're looking at the tape,

764
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: like you just kind of want to make it easy,

765
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: like if this was a two or three minute highlight tape.

766
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: If I'm looking at the highlight tape and I go,

767
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: oh uh, wow, that's what I want to see. I

768
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I had enough wild plays from Kenneth Murray.

769
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: I think, look, if the Green Bay Packs are able

770
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: to get him at thirty, he's a perfect fit for them.

771
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: He upgrades the athleticism and speed and their sideline, the

772
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: sideline playmaking abuilding. But he's certainly not uh what we

773
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: were talking about in Devin Bush and Devin White, those

774
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: guys that we saw come out a year ago. No,

775
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: I agree with you, all right, next one, here what

776
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: challenges are presented for scouts when teams change systems? How

777
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: do you communicate scheme fit and scouting reports? So the

778
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: challenges are like when you have a new coach take takeover. Uh,

779
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: the new coach has to sit with the personnel directors,

780
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: he has to playing here's my vision for how I

781
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: want to play, and here the kind of players that

782
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: I want. Uh. We are a three or four team,

783
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: and we want the big guys up front to be

784
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: two gappers, meaning we occupy the gap to the right

785
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: and the left. So we've got to be stout and

786
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: stronger or whatever. I need these guys in the back end.

787
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: I want my corners at six foot who can jam

788
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: and reroute. The more zone corners demand demand corners, and

789
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: so the challenge for scouts. We go out on the year, Uh,

790
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: go out on the road each year looking for certain

791
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: players that fit how we play well in the fall.

792
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: If we go looking for something that was previously established,

793
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: and we get turnover. Now we gotta rework our eyes,

794
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: we gotta redo our grades because we're grading based on

795
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: how these players would fit in our scheme. And so

796
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: it's the I would say, the evaluation flexibility to be

797
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: able to project a player in multiple systems and those

798
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: grades corresponding with how they will play in those respective systems.

799
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: So this is the way we did in Philadelphia, which

800
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: I really liked, and I think of a lot of

801
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: teams to do this. You might you guys have done

802
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: this as well. Buck. You have the summary section, right,

803
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: so you're you're writing up the report on the player,

804
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: what he is, and that goes from and we've talked

805
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: about writing reports before. You know, what is his body type,

806
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: where does he line up? Um, how does he play

807
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: against the run, how does he play against the past,

808
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: how's his effort, speed, athleticism, whatever, So that goes in

809
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: your summary report. Then underneath that, we had a box

810
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: called Eagles value, So underneath that we would write in there,

811
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: Okay for us, he plays you know, he's our Sam linebacker, um,

812
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: and he's better, he's better or worse than somebody on

813
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: your roster. So basically this is he's a starter for

814
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: us here at this spot. This is his role for

815
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: our team. So you get a coaching turnover, you don't

816
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: have to go back and change your whole summary of

817
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: your report. Um, that's telling you what he's done and

818
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: who he is as a player. All you have to

819
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: do is go back into that little Eagles value and say, okay,

820
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: now we we just switched fronts. So for us now

821
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: instead of being this, he's this, and that to me

822
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: puts him you know that's a good spot for him,

823
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: or you know it doesn't not really an ideal fit

824
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: for the Eagles, and that that is what you kind

825
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: of clean all that stuff up. Yeah, that is the way.

826
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: And so for the aspiring scouts that are listening, UM,

827
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: one of the tools that you have to be able

828
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: to have to be a really really good scout, it's

829
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: not just your eye, it's your ability to communicate. And

830
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: so that's not only verbally being able to stand in

831
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: front of the room and present it, but also uh

832
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: being able to write and being able to UH. Ron

833
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: Wolf always talked about, UH, can you paint the picture?

834
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: Can I listen to someone reading your report, close my

835
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: eyes and imagine what or envision what this player is

836
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: going to do. And so when we talk about that,

837
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: being able to communicate here's how this guy fits, here's

838
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: how he plays. And sometimes if you can give me

839
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: a comparison, a comparison of, hey, he kind of reminds

840
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: me of this player. It is all to paint the

841
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: picture on how a play a player will fit in

842
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: your system. And so, yeah, the communication skills to writing skills, Uh,

843
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: they're critical to being able to be to be a

844
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: really good scout, to being considered a really good scout,

845
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: because you have to be able to articulate it. Yeah,

846
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: and and the comparisons, especially if you can do it

847
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 1: with guys on your own roster, like you know, hey,

848
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: he's he's a better rusher than x UM with the

849
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: potential to be better against the run, but there's you know,

850
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: developments needed or whatever. So you're kind of describing, Okay,

851
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: this is I don't want to bring a guy in

852
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna make us better. So compared to

853
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: somebody else that we have, whose job is he eventually

854
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: going to take, whose job is he gonna take right now?

855
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: Or how does he slide in to me? That's that's

856
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: a key part you need to understand your roster. I

857
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: think that's one thing that teams need to do a

858
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: better job with with their college scouts is having their

859
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: college scouts spend more time studying your own roster, because look,

860
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,879
Speaker 1: you don't want to bring guys in you're gonna cut.

861
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: You wanna bring guys in and make your team better.

862
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: So to me, that's a key part of it. I

863
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: think that's missed by some teams out there, is understanding

864
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: your own roster with your scouts. Yeah, it's a very

865
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: critical part of it, and it's one of those things

866
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: that everyone has to understand, Like you have to know

867
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: your roster, you have to know the league. You have

868
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: to continue to study the league and figure out what

869
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: fits um. I think in that area, like for me,

870
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: I had a tough time with offensive lineman because we

871
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: will see you guys on the road and everyone is

872
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: looking for I talked about the Dancing Bear with life,

873
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: where there are a bunch of guys that play that

874
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: aren't there. They're a bunch of guys that are kind

875
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: of Malla brawler types that sometimes they're on the ground,

876
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: but they find a way in certain instances to be

877
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: able to play. And so you have to kind of

878
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 1: know who succeeds, who's playing in the league, and how

879
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: they're sustaining their success, because that then gives you a

880
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: point of reference when you're looking at guys down the road,

881
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: no doubt. Um, all right, all right, I'm gonna move

882
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: to these last ones. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna move down

883
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna skip the chips chief because I'm gonna

884
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: go to this one because I think this is fast

885
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: and I want to get your take on it is

886
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill such a rare player or why don't teams

887
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: look like uh six and seventh round quarterback prospects and

888
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: make them into weapons at the NFL level? That is

889
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: by at Big John nineteen o six. I think the

890
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill conversation is absolutely fascinating to me. Um, I think, here,

891
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: here's what Taysom Hill is. Taysom Hill, to me was

892
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: kind of like the next version of Tim Tebow. When

893
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: I watched him at B y U. He was an

894
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 1: outstanding runner. He was a physical, uh playmaker when he

895
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: had the ball in his hands at b y U.

896
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: But he was oft injured at B y U. I mean,

897
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: he had a ton of injuries at b y U.

898
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: That really kind of prevented you from being able to

899
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: really project him as a player and then as a quarterback.

900
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: Going back to when he came out, that style of

901
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: quarterback wasn't in vogue. You didn't see the run first

902
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: quarterback UM viewed as a guy that was optimal that hey,

903
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: this is who we want in the National Football League,

904
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: and so um unless those guys could play multiple sports,

905
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: I mean multiple positions, unless they were willing to move

906
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: away from being a quarterback, it made it really hard.

907
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: And the only way that you could project or really

908
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: make that for deck projection, you had to talk to

909
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: him and you had to get some buy in from

910
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: the kid. And so the reason why you don't see

911
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: more teams kind of project guys in this way, a

912
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: lot of players are unwilling to make that move. When

913
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: you initially suggested doing the run up to the draft, well,

914
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: I think this other thing too. People need to remember

915
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: about Taysom Hill. As we've had the athletic some of

916
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: these athletic quarterbacks, people have tried to try him in

917
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: different roles and do different things, and it hasn't always

918
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: worked out. And some of the reason is because you

919
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: might get a guy like a Pat White, right, it

920
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: was fast, really athletic, but he's real skinny. Yeah, even

921
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: r G three, who was a little bit leaner, you know. Um,

922
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: then you look at Tim Tebo. Tim Tebow ran four

923
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: seven to Taysom Hill ran four four four. Like this

924
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: is a guy who's, you know, two hundred and twenty

925
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: five pounds is running four four Like this is not

926
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: like people kind of act like, oh, you gotta Taysom

927
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: Hill every year, Like no, No, there's not two hundred

928
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: five pound quarterbacks that run four four that come out

929
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: every single year like those. He even though he was

930
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 1: later selection or was a there isn't because of the

931
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: ability it was he was. He was. He was an

932
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: injury prone. He had a ton of injuries. There b

933
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: why you would feel like he was a b by

934
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: you forever? Um he was why if he was clean

935
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: health wise, he would have got picked. He would have

936
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: got picked just off of his measurables. Yeah, he would

937
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: have got picked off his measurables. And here's what I'll

938
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: say about the Taysom Hill conversation. I'm sure I'm gonna

939
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: write about it later in the week. You know who

940
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill really is Taysom Hill is Cordell Steward. So

941
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: when you go back and you think about Cordell Steward,

942
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: when Cordell Steward was coming out of Colorado, big, physical, fast, Uh,

943
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: you wanted to give him a chance to play quarterback,

944
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: but you just didn't know. Um, the Pittsburgh Steelers take him,

945
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: select him, and what did he do? He was slash

946
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: part running back, part receiver, part playmaker, and then he

947
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 1: got a shot to be a quarterback. Maybe Taysom Hill

948
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: is that. The only thing is you didn't know because

949
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: he was so injured in college, you didn't know how

950
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: he would hold up. Now we'll see in the off

951
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: season where people really view him as a quarterback. But

952
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: to me, Taysom Hill is a version in a very

953
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: s of what Cordelle Stewart was early in in the league. Look,

954
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: people are gonna debate whether what do you you know

955
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: what he's gonna do and how much successful have at quarterback.

956
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm here for it, man, that's a great storyline in

957
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: the league. I'm I hope, I hope he goes somewhere

958
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: where they let him start at quarterback. I don't know

959
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: if he's physically gonna hold up over the over the

960
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: entire season, Buck, But it canna be fun to watch,

961
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, as we've seen the creative offense that the

962
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens have run. I'm here for it, man. I

963
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: think it's good for football. I think it's fun to watch. Um.

964
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: I hope he does get a shot at quarterback. Look,

965
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: if he does get a shot, I just think he

966
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: continues to speak to the revolution that that we're seeing

967
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position. You're seeing more and more offensive

968
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 1: coordinators like, hey, you know what, I need my guy

969
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: to be a passer. Plus he needs to be a

970
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: good pastor, but he also needs to be able to

971
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: add some other dimensions to our offense. And so look, man,

972
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm all for athletic quarterbacks. I'm all for creativity and

973
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: doing it a little different than it's been done before

974
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. So kudos to tast some meal. Alright,

975
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: let's uh get to this next one here quickly. Some

976
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: of your favorite small school players. I like, we've talked

977
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: about these guys a bunch, but BArch from St. John's

978
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: The Tackle had a good week. Kyle Dugger from Lenore

979
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: Ryan had a great week. Senior Bowl guys. And then

980
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Adam Troutman from Dayton. I know they're all Senior Bowl guys,

981
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: so technically not like deep deep cut sleepers, but those

982
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: are three of my favorite small school guys. Yeah, I'm

983
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: with that because if they played a Senior Bowl. To me,

984
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: it's just, uh, it's about finding players that could play

985
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: at the highest level. I think the Senior Bowl is

986
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: a way to start. I think, look, we've been around

987
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: this for so long. I there's something to knowing guys.

988
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: We don't have to look up under every rock to

989
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 1: try and find the guys. They kind of find their way.

990
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: I think those three guys that you mentioned, Troutman, Dougger,

991
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: and Bart are guys that are small school guys who

992
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: should have an opportunity to have a lot of success.

993
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: Um um, Okay, here we go. Do you want to

994
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: go the next one? Yeah, we're going next one. What

995
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: scouting team building philosophy do you guys argue about the most?

996
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this sentence is all what scouting team building

997
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: philosophy do you guys argue with each of the most about? Um?

998
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: I think probably the running back thing. I think running

999
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: backs and draft status because we come from two different

1000
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: to two different schools. I thought. I was at a

1001
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: place in Carolina where we valued running back to the

1002
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: point where we would take them in the first round.

1003
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: I mean, we we took guys high, and we believed, hey,

1004
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: you take a guy high, and then when he is

1005
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: nearing the end of that first deal, you take another

1006
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: guy high. And so I sat there and watched Andon

1007
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: when de Shaun Foster was the second round pick, and

1008
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: then they added D'Angelo Williams was the first round pick,

1009
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: and then Jonathan Stewart comes on board, and so it's

1010
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: just one of those things where you value them in

1011
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: a different level. I think you come from a different

1012
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: place where you see value in getting running backs a

1013
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: little down the line. Yeah. The only thing I would say, though,

1014
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: is I've and I've seen it both ways. And I

1015
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: was in Baltimore and we watched Jamal Lewis rush for

1016
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: two thousand yards. It was a fifth pick in the draft,

1017
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,720
Speaker 1: so they invested in that there and kind of wrote

1018
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: his coat tails offensively for for a long period of time.

1019
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: So my whole philosophy on the running back thing is simple.

1020
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm not against taking a running back high in the draft.

1021
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: To me take one with with two things. Number one,

1022
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: he's gotta be special on elite number or three things.

1023
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: I should say he's gotta be special elite number two.

1024
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: You don't bypass you know, an elite player at another

1025
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, the quarterback, defensive end, corner. You know, there

1026
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: is still a hierarchy of positions, and I think they

1027
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: slide down there, but I'm not. I will take a

1028
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: great running back over a good player at some of

1029
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: those other you know positions, safe quarterback. And the last

1030
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: thing I would say is I do like the philosophy

1031
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: of let's try and build out as much of your

1032
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: team as possible and then drop that running back in,

1033
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: that high pick running back, because then his carriers will matter,

1034
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: they'll be useful if there's a limited number of them.

1035
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to waste him on teams are gonna

1036
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: win five games. That makes sense, makes a lot of sense,

1037
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: because then I think you also will subscribe to the

1038
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: theory of I'm never paying one, because I think when

1039
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: you talk about doing it that way where you build

1040
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: up the rest of the team and dropped the running

1041
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: back in, you're dropping him. And you can even tell

1042
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: them on the day a man, congratulations. I just want

1043
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 1: you to know you're not going to be a lifelong whatever.

1044
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna draft you, and we're gonna ride

1045
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: you to the wheels fall off for five years and

1046
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: then we're gonna let you get your money elsewhere. But

1047
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: we never will resign another running back. And I saw

1048
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: I play out in Seattle. We took Sean Alexander. He

1049
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: was terrific player for US, played a tremendous high level.

1050
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: When they made a decision to pay him on that

1051
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: second deal, he was never the same. And so there's

1052
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: something to a draft one high. But make sure when

1053
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: you draft him, you know a that five years we're

1054
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: gonna use him. We canna use them up and then

1055
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: we'll let someone else kind of take him after that.

1056
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: Draft him high after five say bye, Like that's like

1057
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: that's the that's the philosophy, up on the up on

1058
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: the room, all right, Uh, sixteen, skip that one buck,

1059
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: let's go to let's go to the last one here, seventeen.

1060
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: If you're a GM, what would be on the checklist

1061
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: of things you want out of a draft, meaning certain

1062
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: positions or extra picks? Um. I've always look the goal

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Speaker 1: to me was always three starters. If you get three

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Speaker 1: starters out of a draft wherever they may fall, that

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Speaker 1: is a really good draft. Four starters is an unbelievable draft.

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Speaker 1: So to me, I always kind of look at that

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Speaker 1: three or four starters and then I we've talked about

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Speaker 1: this before. I'm always of the mindset of I want

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Speaker 1: to make a trade every year to get an extra

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Speaker 1: three or four in the next year's draft. I want

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Speaker 1: some extra capital to go on next year's draft. And

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Speaker 1: the reason is when we get to the trade deadline,

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Speaker 1: I have that little piece and I'm almost like setting

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Speaker 1: that aside. It's like a savings account. I'm gonna have

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00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: a little piece there, and if if we're in it

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Speaker 1: and we've got a chance to make a trade to

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Speaker 1: try and help us, I've got that extra three or four,

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Speaker 1: which is usually about all you need to make a

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Speaker 1: trade at the trade deadline to make your roster better.

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Speaker 1: And if there's not anything there, then you go into

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00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: the next draft. You've got an extra pick. But I

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00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: would always want to come out of one draft with

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Speaker 1: at least one bonus pick in the next. In the

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Speaker 1: following draft. Yeah, look, I I think that's important. I

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Speaker 1: think I think you you touched on a couple of

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Speaker 1: things that are really important. I think the trade pieces terrific.

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Speaker 1: I think when you're drafting this year, you always have

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00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: to kind of draft with next year in mind in

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00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: terms of you just want to have capital and currency

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Speaker 1: um in terms of what I want to come out with.

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Speaker 1: You talk about three starters. I just think it's important

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Speaker 1: those first two rounds. Those first two rounds, we gotta hit.

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00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: But more importantly, I gotta hit on my first round picks.

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Speaker 1: My first round picks have to be guys that come

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Speaker 1: in and their starters, and ideally you'd like them to

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Speaker 1: be started at a high level. But you and I

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Speaker 1: have talked about it, and I don't know if this

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Speaker 1: is all the way a Baltimore thing, but you can

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Speaker 1: win a lot of games just hitting the ball in

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Speaker 1: the fairway. I don't need to crush it. I don't

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Speaker 1: need to hit it three hundred yards, but if I

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Speaker 1: hit it two fifty right in the middle, it says

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Speaker 1: that my next shot. The main thing is, let's just

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Speaker 1: make sure that the guys that we take in the

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Speaker 1: first round are guys that we know that we can trust,

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Speaker 1: we can count on, we can depend on them coming

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Speaker 1: in being solid, starters or more, and so spend the

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Speaker 1: buck of your time really mining the first round, making

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Speaker 1: sure you get it right on the first round pick,

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Speaker 1: because the league really is comprised of first round picks

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Speaker 1: and some second rounders. When you go and you look

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Speaker 1: at the Pro Bowl rosters, and I know people talk

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Speaker 1: about it being watered down. The bulk of the Pro

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Speaker 1: Bowl roster our first and second round picks. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you hit on those picks. Now that's good stuff. Man.

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Speaker 1: Well this is fun going through all these questions. But

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Speaker 1: I've had a fun discussion there at the top um

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Speaker 1: as well as just kind of ripping through these questions.

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Speaker 1: And again hashtag asked MTS if you want to keep

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Speaker 1: dropping those or the other place you can put them

1121
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: and we will definitely see them. As if you leave

1122
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: us a review there on Apple Podcasts and drop your

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Speaker 1: questions in there, we will get to those as well.

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Speaker 1: I think that's gonna do it for us. Anything else

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Speaker 1: you want to add before we get out of here, No,

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Speaker 1: it is a great man. I love doing these things.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait for us to set up another uh

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Speaker 1: kind of ass MTS situation. We'll get them rolling. Here's

1129
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Speaker 1: good to uh, good to catch up, fun conversation. We'll

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Speaker 1: have a bunch of video content coming your way soon

1131
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: as well. You'll be on the lookout for that uh

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Speaker 1: NFL dot com slash MTS video as well as the

1133
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Speaker 1: YouTube channel um NFL podcast. You can find that on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: So that's gonna do it for us. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: so much for listening to be a great job, get

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Speaker 1: collected all these questions producing the show. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch you next time right here on Move the sticks.

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Speaker 1: What do