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Speaker 2: And we're old enough to remember.

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Speaker 3: Back in two ty sixteen when it was last game

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Speaker 3: Chevin in the NBA Finals. I remember it like it

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Speaker 3: was yesterday. Lebron James was magnificent. Show too. Is Kyrie

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Speaker 3: Irvy welcome in?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: I think there's I you know, like I have friends

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Speaker 1: who are like, hey, find the dub of the day.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have a bad day, find the win

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Speaker 1: of the day. I think my win of the sports calendar,

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Speaker 1: because really, what happens after Sunday, that's the flipping of

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Speaker 1: the sports calendar, right, NBA Draft is next Tuesday, Cooper Flag,

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Speaker 1: couple others, but not really a huge but after that

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Speaker 1: we kind of flipped the sports calendar.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Some people say it's when you get to Baseball All

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Speaker 1: Star break right then that's why we have SP's because

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Speaker 1: it used to be the dead day. But it feels

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Speaker 1: like that's the And my biggest win is also probably

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Speaker 1: jay Stu's biggest win, right, jay Stu has us all

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Speaker 1: kind of an agreement that, you know, the NFL. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's the level of Zuopa the U

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Speaker 1: two album that was a wall.

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Speaker 2: Wall, but.

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Speaker 1: His win is getting us more over to the side of,

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Speaker 1: you know, quality of play in the NFL not great,

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Speaker 1: and my win is the opposite for basketball, which which

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Speaker 1: is despite the fact the ratings will be down, it's

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Speaker 1: been a fun series to watch and it's always interesting

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Speaker 1: on when now this is the influx of politics and

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Speaker 1: the political siding and that you can't be in the

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Speaker 1: middle or you can't agree with the other side on anything,

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Speaker 1: because you'll have people that I'm not watching, they don't

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Speaker 1: play hard, the playoffs last too long. There's just isoball,

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Speaker 1: there's no defense. There's this is that like you pick

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Speaker 1: apart every little thing, and then you actually watch this

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Speaker 1: series and both teams play fast. Indiana better at playing

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Speaker 1: fast last night. You have guys that come off the

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Speaker 1: bench and some of their stars that play incredibly hard.

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Speaker 1: The level of skill is tremendous. And yeah, there are

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Speaker 1: some form born players like Shay Gildess Alexander just to

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Speaker 1: name one, but there are also some stars like Darres

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Speaker 1: Halbert who are born in the States.

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Speaker 2: And so if your argument was.

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Speaker 1: Like, ah, foreign players like you can come up with

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Speaker 1: anything you don't like about something, and usually it's kind

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Speaker 1: the players were politically active or have been politically active

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Speaker 1: during these very strange political times. But my win of

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Speaker 1: the year is getting Jay stew to watch and go,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of good hoop. Speaking of which I

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Speaker 1: thought Tyrese Halburton was outstanding. He was aggressive, he made

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Speaker 1: big shots. Here's what Alberton said about playing with a

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Speaker 4: It's the finals. I, you know, all of us got

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Speaker 4: to get everything we have. You know, do you have

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Speaker 4: everything I have for this group in this locker room.

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Speaker 5: So I'm just trying to come out here by the

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Speaker 5: best of my ability. My guys have had my back

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Speaker 5: all year and especially tonight, and that means.

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Speaker 4: The world to me. It's okay, it's okay.

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Speaker 5: I got a couple, got a couple of days now

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Speaker 5: to take care of it, get it right.

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Speaker 4: And be ready.

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Speaker 5: You know, we got one game, you know, all cards

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: He also did you hear the line? And I thought

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Speaker 1: it was almost speaking directly to either my daughter Harper

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Speaker 1: or to Jay Stuh that when he's at home, it's

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Speaker 1: before he throws on love love actually I'm not not love. Actually,

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Speaker 1: before he throws on Love Island, he's got to throw

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Speaker 1: some ice on the CAFs.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear that one? Jay Stu? On television?

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Speaker 6: I saw a reference to Love Island. Yeah, so that's

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Speaker 6: that's what he was talking about. What he watches it

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Speaker 1: Yes, or you know, I'm in him and his girlfriend

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Speaker 1: are you know they watched It's it's a like guilty

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Speaker 2: So that what that what it is?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that one's off my radar. I've been it's actually

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Speaker 6: I'm just I'm so dedicated to Bachelor and Bachelor in

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Speaker 6: Paradise first week of July starts up.

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Speaker 4: For those wondering, ooh.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, that is an absolute poop show usually, right, I mean, really, it.

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Speaker 6: Might be the best of the franchise.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's amazing, Yeah, because it is.

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Speaker 1: It is an abject disaster, but it's it doesn't it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those no one even by Bachelor standards.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows it's it's going to be a disaster, right everyone, everyone, everyone,

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Speaker 1: everyone knows. And because of it, you know, because of it,

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Speaker 1: you can't take it seriously. You don't have to take

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Speaker 1: it seriously. It's a very light watch. I would say

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Speaker 1: Love Island a similar type of watch for you. I

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Speaker 1: think different producers. Obviously, you have to find the different people.

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Speaker 1: Whereas the thing that you find with The Bachelor in

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Speaker 1: Paradise is you know these people from your years following

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Speaker 1: and podcasting about The Bachelor.

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Speaker 2: And let's not get sidetracked.

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Speaker 1: The point is okay that I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how you can't love Halliburton, right, And I almost like

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Speaker 1: him more because he was so bad in Game five

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Speaker 1: and he's been so good at other times, the game

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Speaker 1: winner in game game one, the performance last night, a

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Speaker 2: That he made were outstanding.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like if you hated the invincibility of Lebron

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Speaker 1: the end of the day. I mean, you go back

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Speaker 1: to some of the NBA finals, you know, subsequent years

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Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors, like Lebron would put up gargantuan numbers,

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Speaker 1: hard to argue with those numbers. So it seemed like,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's just he's that immovable object and irresistible force. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: point being, Halliburton seems very human, which is again all

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Speaker 1: new to us that we don't usually have this, Like

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Speaker 1: Levery Bird didn't have games where he couldn't make a

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Speaker 1: kind of did compare Tyres Albert and to Larry Bird.

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Speaker 1: Here's his head coach on Actually, let's go to Mark

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Speaker 1: dagnall mcdarg knows, the head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder,

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Speaker 1: his team who usually turns others over turn the ball

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Speaker 1: over a ton last night, here's the coach on his team.

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Speaker 2: It was hard tonight.

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Speaker 7: You know, Indiana was great and we were not. So

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Speaker 7: we have the same opportunity Indiana does on Sunday, scorell

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Speaker 7: It's a privilege to play in Game sevens. It's a

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Speaker 7: privilege to play in the finals. As disappointing as tonight was,

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Speaker 7: we're grateful for the opportunity and we put in a

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Speaker 7: lot of work this season to be able to play

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Speaker 7: that game at home, you know, which is exciting to

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Speaker 7: be able to do it in front of our fans. So,

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Speaker 7: you know, obviously disappointed tonight, but we'll regroup, get back

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Speaker 7: to zero, learn from it with clear eyes like we

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Speaker 7: always do, get ourselves as ready as we can be

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Speaker 7: to play Game seven on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Trader. That's Mark Dagnoll's the

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Speaker 1: head coach of the Oklahoma City Thunder. Here's the Star

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Speaker 1: Shay Gilders Alexander, the MVP of this year's NBA season,

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Speaker 1: talking about how Game seven against the Nuggets Humble Bragg

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Speaker 1: was there, uh and that blowout went over the Nuggets

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Speaker 1: prepares them for Game seven Sunday night fee in.

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Speaker 8: The back of our minds for sure. Now, we didn't

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Speaker 8: play like it at all, and that's why the night

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Speaker 8: went the way it did. We got exactly what we deserved,

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Speaker 8: what we earned, and we have to own that. The way,

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Speaker 8: like the way we felt in that series was it's

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Speaker 8: a three to three series zero zero. You have one

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Speaker 8: game to advance and the better team will win. And

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Speaker 8: I think it's the exact same thing because you try

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Speaker 8: to learn from and you try to put it all

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Speaker 8: together for one night and see where it takes you.

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Speaker 2: Stut Gottlieb Show, Fox Portray. That's Shake Gildas Alexander. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Here's my honest thought, buyer, this is This is as

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Speaker 1: honest as I can be. You ever have somebody Dan

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Speaker 1: who says I'm a huge sports fan. Oh you're Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Trade listen all the time?

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Speaker 2: What do you do there?

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Speaker 1: Like I've been there for how many years? You've been

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Speaker 1: a Fox Sports radio dad? Yeah, I'll get you. I

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Speaker 1: remember when I was working at CBS doing the tournament. Oh,

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Speaker 1: huge college basketball fan?

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Speaker 2: It's what do you do? Right?

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Speaker 1: Yes, you'll have if if you tell people I'm a

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Speaker 1: big sports fan. Hey, are you watching game?

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Speaker 2: Seven. Nah. Now a huge sports fan, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: isn't that? Are we okay?

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Speaker 1: I yes, I'm okay shaming people who claim to be

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Speaker 1: sports fans. And you have two teams they don't carry

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Speaker 1: the If you don't like the ego of the Lebron,

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Speaker 1: the ego of the KD the iso of old school basketball,

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Speaker 1: you're like, you know, I like, I like tame ball better.

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Speaker 1: I just they don't play d like. If you don't

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Speaker 1: like all this, like, just watch the series. But regardless

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Speaker 1: of which, it's one game and decides who's a champion.

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Speaker 1: The crowds have been incredible in the crowd of Oklahoma City.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's loud city, It's it's a remarkable watch.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to know anything about anything. It's Game

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Speaker 1: seven NBA Finals on a Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing right?

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Speaker 1: You come in off the lake you're watching? I just

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Speaker 1: are you okay with me? I don't care if you

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I'm not going to change my opinion.

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Speaker 1: But would you share with me in the opinion that

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Speaker 1: it's a completely phony to say huge sports fan? You

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Speaker 1: don't watch Game seven?

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Speaker 6: Nah?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely?

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Speaker 9: And I do think that there is there is a

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Speaker 9: parallel with people who don't want to do something. They

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Speaker 9: don't want to go to an event, and they'll have

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Speaker 9: four or five different excuses on why they don't want

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Speaker 9: to go to the event and why they can't make it,

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Speaker 9: and the reason is usually just one reason. And I

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Speaker 9: feel that's the same way with the NBA. Where my

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Speaker 9: problem and because I've complained about the NBA as well,

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Speaker 9: Doug here if the reg season is that so much

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Speaker 9: is made about the playoffs in championships, So that's what

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Speaker 9: to me diminishes the regular season. And I feel I'd

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Speaker 9: be a you know, a hypocrite if I wasn't invested

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Speaker 9: and obviously invested into Game seven. Now, I mean I

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Speaker 10: Particularly given the fact that if you didn't play well,

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Speaker 6: This team this in case you didn't though, NBA Finals

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Speaker 1: Thanks much for listening making us part of your day.

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Speaker 1: It's a Wednesday. Wednesday's the middle of the week. It's

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Speaker 1: have to be that teammate. I do like the more

438
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Speaker 1: teammates than not. I agree with some of what Dan's saying,

439
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: but I also think we have to process that there's

440
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: likely some of those teammates you're just worn down by

441
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: the Are we still doing this?

442
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: This is so dumb, so dumb, and.

443
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 4: Dan dockets just point from last hour.

444
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Speaker 13: You know, he said something that I think a lot

445
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 13: of especially coming from being an Indianapolis or a guy

446
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 13: from Indiana. Caitlin's a bit of a flopper. And when

447
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 13: when Marina Maybrey hip checked her she kind of bounced

448
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 13: off her like rubber. So maybe Leah Boston was like,

449
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 13: oh boy, this again. But you know, I've Sophie cunning

450
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 13: at all. Sophie Cunningham is a role player. She's a

451
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 13: bench player. She can assume the role of being a

452
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 13: bit of an enforcer. She can, she has fouls to give.

453
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 13: I think Boston can't be that enforcer role because she's

454
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 13: a prime part of the offense.

455
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Speaker 4: She doesn't do anything. She doesn't but she doesn't even

456
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 4: come to Caitlyn Clark's Yeah, I don't. I don't.

457
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 13: I don't know the inner workings. All I can say

458
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 13: is from the outside everything, Doug, this is what went

459
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 13: on during the break is I have a question on

460
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 13: whether they're really friends. And we see this in postgame

461
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 13: press conferences Eleah Boston and Caitlyn Clark, and the reason is, listen,

462
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 13: there would be a natural rivalry rivalry just like there

463
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 13: was with J. C. Sheldon Aleah Boston on South Carolina

464
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 13: when South Carolina beat Iowa for the National championship. Who's

465
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 13: celebrating with South Carolina Aliah Boston. She wasn't even on

466
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 13: that team. She was like, so she got celebrating the

467
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 13: year before. Yeah, correct by Caitlyn. So she's celebrating with

468
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 13: her team that she didn't even play for that year.

469
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 13: I get she was a part of the program, but

470
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 13: now she comes in and she was the number one

471
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 13: overall pick before Caitlyn was there. She was supposed to

472
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 13: be the cats meow And now Caitlyn Clark comes in,

473
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 13: and there's absolutely so there's plenty of reason for jealousy.

474
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 9: And to see a group of Fever players sitting courtside

475
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 9: in an NBA Finals game doesn't mean they're friends. It means, hey, guys,

476
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 9: I got you tickets. The team wants you there. I

477
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 9: think it'd be good, be good for the w Why

478
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 9: don't you all sit there and cheer on the Pacers.

479
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 9: And that doesn't mean like, hey, I got three tickets tonight, Ely,

480
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 9: I'm not going to invite other teammates.

481
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 4: I want you to come. I don't think that we

482
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 4: can assume that.

483
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Speaker 9: And I just seeing her, her reactions were lacked thereof

484
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 9: she didn't even do anything last night. She just kind

485
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 9: of stood there, and I felt like somebody who has

486
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 9: their back needs to at least take care of your

487
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 9: teammate or go and find somebody else to you know,

488
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 9: rough up with.

489
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Speaker 13: But it has not happened, Dude. It sounds like what

490
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 13: Sophie Cunningham is to assume that. She sounds like she's

491
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 13: assumed that rule.

492
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Speaker 4: Yes, and she hasn't even she's been on the team

493
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 4: for what two months this year?

494
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe maybe the way Sophie Cunningham

495
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 13: defends Kaylen Clark on the court is emblematic of their

496
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 13: greater relationship and the way that Boston not what you

497
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 13: do as a teammates. Yeah, but I mean there's a

498
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 13: difference between teammates and then being friends. Like I think

499
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 13: that I'm just saying in general, nothing has led me

500
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 13: to believe that there's any kind of issue between Caitlin

501
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 13: Clark and Leah Boston.

502
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Speaker 4: They've spoke glowingly about each other. They have good chemistry.

503
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Speaker 13: I think that if they're coworkers there, they very much

504
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 13: get along and they're very productive together. So I think

505
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 13: everything's good in that in that in that sense, but yeah,

506
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 13: I mean, you could You're free to question Aliah Boston's

507
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 13: you know, actions after that. Why aren't you coming to

508
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 13: our defense more? Why don't you get in the face

509
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 13: of Sheldon or Maybury. And why did I take a

510
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 13: player who just joined the team two months ago to

511
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 13: be able to do this?

512
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I you know, again we don't know the wiring.

513
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: And also like here's another thing, Aliah Boston, she played

514
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: an unrival that three on three league that I mean

515
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: again only saw in some of the low lights of

516
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: some of the others of Angel recent others.

517
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: But the point is, I get this. This is the

518
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: biggest issue I believe with the women's game.

519
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: It's there is so much jealousy, it's crazy, and it's

520
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: so bad that Dan, I'm with you.

521
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: You're left to wonder, like, what's the deal there?

522
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: It may be very little, It may be I just

523
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: I don't do that whatever, But it also could be

524
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: very likely that she don't really like her.

525
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: It's like playing with her, it's fine, but they're not friends.

526
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: And oh yeah, by the way, like, as you point out,

527
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: she was a.

528
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: Great college player, she'd been a good player, and you know,

529
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: now you know, think about Kinglyn Clark. She chose not

530
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: to play in the three on three league, right, but

531
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: some if you're playing on it now, hey listen, if

532
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: you're really about helping me, if I'm Eliah buston, you're

533
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: really about helping me and helping all women's sports play

534
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: in the three on three league. It'll bring all that

535
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: attention to three on three league and we'll all get

536
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: rich because of it.

537
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 2: So there's lots of different things that you could pick apart.

538
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 1: We don't know, but it is fair to at least

539
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: make that assumption based upon her lack of reaction.

540
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 6: Isn't that amazing that she chose not to do and rival?

541
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 8: Right?

542
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 6: I think that was of all the things that Caitlin

543
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 6: Clark has done that kind of makes you smile and

544
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 6: you're proud when she just said, nah, I'm good. You

545
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 6: guys need me much more than I need you, and

546
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 6: you just left me off the Olympic team, so screw off.

547
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 6: There was a very forgettable reliever and this is just

548
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 6: a tangible sports example. And I think the reason why

549
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 6: this topic interests me is because I've been in the

550
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 6: locker room, right, I've been on a team. If you

551
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 6: play team sports, you understand this that you play with

552
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 6: teammates that you don't necessarily like.

553
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: Right.

554
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 6: So there was this very forgettable reliever for the Giants

555
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 6: named Hunter Strickland in a regular season game in twenty seventeen,

556
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 6: he decided to hit Bryce Harper on the back with

557
00:28:53,280 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 6: a fastball. His catcher Hall of Fame to be posey,

558
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 6: chose not to follow Bryce Harper out to the mound,

559
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 6: who proceeded to throw punches at the reliever. To me,

560
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 6: that action spoke louder than any words you could ever

561
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 6: speak between those teammates, Right. That's that's that's that's a

562
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 6: teammate telling the world what he thinks of his teammate.

563
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 6: And that's why I think this is interesting, these little

564
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 6: enter dynamics between a Leah Boston and Caitlin Clark. And

565
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 6: there's been other examples as well.

566
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: You know, C. C.

567
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 9: Sabathia is going to be a Hall of Famer this

568
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 9: summer when he gets enshrined. I think that's this summer.

569
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 9: I don't think it's already happened. The point being is

570
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 9: one of the things that we remember about C. C.

571
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 9: Sabbathia is the hat. I remember what he did with

572
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 9: the Brewers. He also had the opportunity to cash in

573
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 9: on a five hundred thousand dollars bonus to reach an

574
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 9: incentive in his contract, and instead threw at a hitter

575
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 9: and got ejected. Because both benches were warned and lost

576
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 9: five hundred thousand dollars on it, and because that's what

577
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 9: you do as a teammate. Last night, for a man,

578
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 9: as Dave Roberts was in the Padres Dodgers game and

579
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 9: about the warnings and whatnot, the one thing he did

580
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 9: can see was well, they plunked Otani in the leg.

581
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 9: That's it wasn't like they went for it wasn't a

582
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 9: cheap shot. He understood the game. We all understood the game.

583
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 9: Sophie Cunningham's follow last night happened with forty seven seconds

584
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 9: left when they're up by seventeen. How easy of it

585
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 9: would have been to just let her score run out

586
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 9: the clock, But no, I'm going to send a message.

587
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 9: Sure there was another player on the fever and I've

588
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 9: watched the different angle and it's Sydney Colson, who's apparently

589
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 9: been in the league for a while.

590
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 4: And you know what she did.

591
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 9: As soon as she saw Caitlyn Clark get hip checked,

592
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 9: she ran to the area and checked on Clark. She

593
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 9: didn't have to fight Maybray. She probably wouldn't have won

594
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 9: the fight, but at least she did something for a

595
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 9: teammate instead. Of why is Caitlin Clark sitting here laying

596
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 9: on the ground. She sprinted from the far corner and

597
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 9: actually got closer to Caitlin Clark than Leah Boston ever did.

598
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 4: That's a fair point.

599
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 13: I just everybody does little different things to de escalate

600
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 13: a situation, right.

601
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: Well, the other part is, and this is I always

602
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: felt like Shaq was like this too.

603
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: One thing we have to realize is there are a

604
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: lot of athletes who have never been involved in a fight,

605
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: especially that of female athletes. Right, Like I always thought

606
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: Shaq was. You know, Shaq was all hup and buster.

607
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: He's so big you would push people, and I think,

608
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 1: who do you take a swing at Chris Dudley? Chris Dudley, Right,

609
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like, you know, he'll take like a

610
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: Kung Fu stance or like a NATA Martial arts stance,

611
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: but he won't necessarily like most I'll just tell you

612
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,479
Speaker 1: the rule. Most times, if you're going to fight, somebody,

613
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: fight the biggest dude on the court. Because in basketball,

614
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: those guys are like six eight to seventy tall. They've

615
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: never been in fights because nobody ever wants to mess

616
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: with them, so they legitimately, you watch them fight.

617
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 2: A lot of those guys don't know how to fight.

618
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: Whereas you're a little guy and you just kind of

619
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: tackle them and just start kind of doing the Tasmanian

620
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: devil whirling Derbis thing, whereas somebody five ten to six

621
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,719
Speaker 1: five they've been in fights, don't want to mess with them.

622
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: Sure that again, that's just my personal respect. Oh ahead,

623
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: Then you take the women's game, and I don't know

624
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: how many of these women never been in a fight.

625
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: All right, My guess is Kitlin Clark never been in

626
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: a fight until these you know, they kind of like

627
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: she's literally never been in a fist fight.

628
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: Just a guess. And Chase, du were you ever in

629
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: a fight when you were a kid?

630
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 11: Never?

631
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: Never want really?

632
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: Dan?

633
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 4: Just elementary school?

634
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 6: You know.

635
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 4: Scuffle?

636
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: Where was it a after school?

637
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 4: After school?

638
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 6: Yeah?

639
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: But where was the location? Elentary?

640
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 4: She was on the way on the way home from walking.

641
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: Is that what they say they'd say on the way

642
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: home or would they Because at Jordan Elementary it was

643
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: at the ditch the ditch. I'll meet you at the dish,

644
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: the ditch, the ditch, three o'clock, three o'clock, let's go.

645
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 4: But I would go sun hid.

646
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: Ditch.

647
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 9: My fight I thought was over when I pinned him.

648
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 9: Because I was in wrestling, I didn't know like how

649
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 9: it would end. So I just took the kid in

650
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 9: the headlock and threw him to the ground and then went,

651
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 9: oh yeah, I had him pinned for three seconds. I

652
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 9: had thought that I had won the fight because I

653
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 9: had pinned him, but there was no referee there to

654
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 9: claim You claim you as a champion. Oh no, no,

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Speaker 9: did not happen, and instead you let up and the

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Speaker 9: guy who just start swinging again.

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Speaker 1: Yea meat Elementary was behind the kindergarten building that was

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Speaker 1: four through six, but k through third it was Jordan Elementary.

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Speaker 2: Is the ditch. Just want to point that out that you.

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Speaker 13: At the ditch thatch the second recess of the day.

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Speaker 4: We're going to settle the score.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't do second recess because he did second recess. Then

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Speaker 1: you had to leave campus campus during second recess.

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Speaker 4: The ditch was slightly off campus.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, through through the gate on the way to

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Speaker 2: lbed Ina Library.

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Speaker 4: I just want to quick say one thing.

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Speaker 9: I know we have to go, but I've watched this

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Speaker 9: video and Aliah Boston actually looks at Maybury walking away

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Speaker 9: and does nothing. She didn't do anything in all of this.

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Speaker 9: She honestly looked at her had an opportunity to do something,

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Speaker 9: and then just stood there. Sophie Cunningham, by the way,

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Speaker 9: she ran right to the fracas, right to it, right.

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Speaker 13: To g into the fire. Yes, Dan's team, there's more

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Speaker 13: to this than there's more to this team.

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Speaker 4: It's not that deep. That excuse me. It was Lexi Hall,

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Speaker 4: Lexi Hall, I'm starting.

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Speaker 1: I'm starting to get with Dan as well. I'd also

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Speaker 1: point out that she's Sophie Cunningham's not America, right she AUSI.

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Speaker 4: I think she's American.

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Speaker 2: She's American. I don't know. She's becoming an American hero.

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Speaker 9: Lexi Holt was the one that also ran to so

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Speaker 9: and she's Sophie kind of Haymes from Missouri.

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Speaker 1: From Missouri the Zurra, all right, becoming an American hero,

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Speaker 1: folk hero for multitude of reasons.

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Speaker 2: That is the Midway. The Midway.

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Speaker 1: It's a Doug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Radio. So shad

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Speaker 1: Roth Sanders got a speeding ticket going one on one.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing, as somebody who you know, I've

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Speaker 1: gotten pulled over plenty matter of fact, got pulled over yesterday,

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Speaker 1: two days ago, two days ago, and it was sixty

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Speaker 1: eight to fifty five, which.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: The police officer was in the right hand lane. I

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Speaker 1: came up into it went from sixty five to fifty

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Speaker 1: five and she was going like crazy slow, but got

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Speaker 1: off with the warning. And I guess my thing is

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Speaker 1: this in and of itself, a speeding ticket not a

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Speaker 1: great look. We've all had them, try to avoid multiple

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Speaker 1: speeding tickets, right, every speeding ticket is different. It's like

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Speaker 1: Peyton Mannle likes to say that every interception is a

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Speaker 1: story unto itself.

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Speaker 2: Right, you ever heard that Peyton has said that. But

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Speaker 2: what I find to be.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating fascinating is that Shador Sanders going over one hundred.

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Speaker 1: No one is going to argue the validity of that

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Speaker 1: ticket from this standpoint, right, like you're going and this

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Speaker 1: depends like if you're in southern California. I got pulled

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Speaker 1: over once on the fifty five freeway. The fifty five

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Speaker 1: freeway sort of by Sex, Orange County.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It starts and it used to be actually eroad, but

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Speaker 1: starts on Newport Beach Boulevard and then goes into being

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Speaker 1: the fifty five Freeway and goes all the way up

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Speaker 1: to the ninety one, which is like that takes you

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Speaker 1: into the Inland Empire, and so on the north side

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Speaker 1: or west side of the fifty five Freeway is basically

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Speaker 1: it goes like Central Orange County to North Orange County.

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Speaker 1: On the south side, it's the southern part of Central

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Speaker 1: Orange County in the South County right bisection. I gotta

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Speaker 1: be honest, I got pulled over. This is probably like

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Speaker 1: ten years ago, and the cop will be over and

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Speaker 1: he's like, do you know if estra're going? I was like,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I've never seen anybody get pulled over on

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Speaker 1: this road. And though eighty two sounds really fast, it's like,

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Speaker 1: what allowed you, outside of hitting your quota to single

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Speaker 1: me out, to point me out for going eighty two,

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Speaker 1: because everybody's going eighty two or eighty five? Right, But

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Speaker 1: if I say that with a very reasonable sense of honestly,

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Speaker 1: eighty five and below is whatever ninety is, your humming

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Speaker 1: is not arguing once you go over one hundred, you

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Speaker 1: have no defenders there just isn't there's no defenders over

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Speaker 1: hum now saying that, and of course Zach Eaedy got up.

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Speaker 1: Was it a one oh one or one hundred and

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Speaker 1: five in a fifty five?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Again, that's on some sort of highway. He's going way

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Speaker 1: too fast again, same thing. But Zach Edy, there's no

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Speaker 1: history of what people would.

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Speaker 2: Consider arrogance or entitlement.

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Speaker 1: And so I understand if you're sitting there going like, hey,

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Speaker 1: why would you say shador Sanders is entitled and acting

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Speaker 1: entitled by going one hundred miles an hour when you

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Speaker 1: wouldn't say that about Zach Edy. Well, that's because I

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Speaker 1: have two years of high major college football evidence where

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Speaker 1: he's showing off his bling, he's trash talking and talking

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Speaker 1: down to people who come from lesser means or lesser

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Speaker 1: statue or what he's seen his lesser programs or lesser families.

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Speaker 1: The way he handled himself, by all accounts, getting ready

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Speaker 1: for the NFL draft. Like if I said, like Shorro

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Speaker 1: Sanders went one hundred and one driving, and you know

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Speaker 1: he's driving something that is very comfortable, going one oh

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Speaker 1: one Bentley Range whatever, I don't even need to look

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Speaker 1: at what card is and all of us have some

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Speaker 1: sort of pr reputation, right, Like, I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 1: Dan works a lot, he works on Sundays, he works

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Speaker 1: in the show. If Dan played hooky, Dan's like I'm

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Speaker 1: going and he said I'm sick, and then somebody's playing golf, like, hey,

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Speaker 1: i'saw Dan Meyer playing eighteen, He'd be like, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: makes sense, right because Dan has a reputation of being

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Speaker 1: a golf guy, loves golf. Right Shador Sanders getting pulled

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Speaker 1: over for going one hundred and one, he has a

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Speaker 1: reputation surprises. Nobody feeds into the idea of entitlement fair unfair.

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Speaker 1: You have to know that's what human nature does. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean I cut him, but definitely points to that no

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Speaker 1: matter what he wants to say in front of the camera,

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Speaker 1: and many things in front of the camera have not

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Speaker 1: been contrite. That feels like more of an act. This

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Speaker 1: feels more like who store is. It's the Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 1: Show here on Fox Sports Radio, and who better to

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Speaker 1: catch up with during the dog days as we got

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Speaker 1: a bunch of baseball to discuss. Then three time World

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Speaker 1: Series champion, one of the clutchest of clutch pitchers in

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Speaker 1: our lifetime. Kurt Schilling and Kurt by the Way, has

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Speaker 1: a new podcast on YouTube, appropriately called The Complete Game

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Speaker 1: with Kurt Schilling. It drops Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday nights. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you, Kurt real quick as we

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Speaker 1: get started. Pitching durability, right, I think the biggest, biggest

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Speaker 1: frustration in any baseball fan's mind is like, God, these guys,

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Speaker 1: They're constantly getting hurt, and no matter how much you pay,

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Speaker 1: or how young the arms are or old the arms are,

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Speaker 1: it feels like these guys are more fragile again. It

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Speaker 1: feels like you know the facts, we know the feelings. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it feels like they're more fragile than ever. What's the

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Speaker 1: reality to pitching durability.

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Speaker 11: It's broken. Pitching is broken sport wide, not just at

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Speaker 11: the base at the major league level, but it's broken

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Speaker 11: all the way down to the little league. There's been

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Speaker 11: a transformation in the last twenty years. The money's gotten insane,

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Speaker 11: while pitchers are hurt more often and throwing less than

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Speaker 11: they ever have. And it's a direct result of this

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Speaker 11: massive love of velocity that has completely changed pitching in

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Speaker 11: the game, and it's broken. It really is. I've done

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Speaker 11: a lot of work over the last couple of months

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Speaker 11: on my show going over the draft, this coming draft

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Speaker 11: and the way, and I'm using air quotes the experts

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Speaker 11: have ranked the top pitching prospects. I've studied video of

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Speaker 11: all them. And the analogy I use is, twenty years

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Speaker 11: ago you probably could have scouted twenty pitchers and seen

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Speaker 11: nineteen different deliveries. Today you scout twenty pitchers. You see

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Speaker 11: at guys in the same exact way, and it's these

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Speaker 11: these velocity schools that you know, come here, pay this

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Speaker 11: large exorbitant money and we'll show you how to throw harder.

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Speaker 11: Not an ounce of pitching is done there, and you're

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Speaker 11: seeing it at the Big league Global It's it's like

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Speaker 11: I said, it's sport wide. It's broken and needs a

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Speaker 11: complete reset. And you know, I don't see anybody doing that.

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Speaker 11: And I'll give you a quick one if if somebody's

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Speaker 11: actually interested in how I realized this. There's a young

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Speaker 11: man named Chase. All of their pitches for the Rockies.

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Speaker 11: If you go back on YouTube and look at Chase

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Speaker 11: all their pitching at Georgia and junior college, and then

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Speaker 11: at Tennessee and then at Colorado in the big leagues,

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Speaker 11: he is after four years, he is sowing the ball

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Speaker 11: the same exact way he did in junior college, which

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Speaker 11: is an absolute crime. And uh, that's sport wide. And

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Speaker 11: these guys are all ranked by how hard they throw

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Speaker 11: a period. And and that's just it, just it's broken.

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Speaker 11: It's horribly broken.

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Speaker 1: Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Tradio. That's the

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Speaker 1: voice of the Big Show. Kurt Shilling joining us on

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Speaker 1: the show. Speaking of speaking of pitching, right, give me

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Speaker 1: your assessment. He's now had two Tommy Johns. We've just

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Speaker 1: seen him on the mound of Showy Tani as a pitcher.

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Speaker 2: What's your eva?

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Speaker 11: Uh, devastating. I mean, he's he's a he's a top

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Speaker 11: of rotation. Here's the thing that and the reason I

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Speaker 11: think it bothers the saber nutritions. They can't quantify certain things,

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Speaker 11: and when they can't quantify things, they discard them. Some

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Speaker 11: guys bodies are just not built to withstand the riggers

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Speaker 11: of throwing the baseball, which is a very unnatural thing.

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Speaker 11: I put no farther than the Jacob de Gram who

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Speaker 11: is to me, had he stayed healthy, would have been

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Speaker 11: maybe the best pitcher in the history of the game.

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Speaker 11: He was Greg Maddox at ninety eight miles an hour

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Speaker 11: with wipe out off speed stuff. I don't know. And

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Speaker 11: it gets into the science, but the bottom line is,

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Speaker 11: and there's a little medical lesson here. So you know,

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Speaker 11: our body's made up of collagen, which is connective tissue.

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Speaker 11: Some people's collagen is just stronger than others. And that's

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Speaker 11: why guys who break their ankle as opposed to another

845
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Speaker 11: guy on the same accident twist his ankle. Same thing

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Speaker 11: with pitching and no different. And you're watching guys who

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Speaker 11: are max for every pitch and the body can't do that.

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Speaker 11: The body cannot do that. And those are the guys

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Speaker 11: who and that's what I said. You saw a couple

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Speaker 11: more guys go on the d L today. It's an

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Speaker 11: everyday thing now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's basically like yeah, it's like, well they're throwing

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Speaker 1: ninety four mile an hour cutters, what like, there's a

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Speaker 1: reason that you can't throw it.

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Speaker 2: Can you do it? Yeah? But can your arms survive it?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 11: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. First off, but people

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Speaker 11: identifying pitches on TV don't know what the hell they're

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Speaker 11: talking about, because no picture in the game has six pitches.

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Speaker 11: Nobody doesn't. It doesn't work that way. And most of

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Speaker 11: these guys are up there throwing three or four pitches

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Speaker 11: that move different ways, and they're ascribing different names to

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Speaker 11: all them. That's not how it works. Number one and

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Speaker 11: number two. If you know the analogy I use. If

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Speaker 11: you take a very strong, thick piece of chain, right,

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Speaker 11: let's just say it has you have ten links in

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Speaker 11: a chain, and I swing it in a circle, and

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Speaker 11: I have momentum, right, the chain is fine, there's no

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Speaker 11: you know, I'm not out being stressed at any of

870
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 11: the connections. If I take that same chain link and

871
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 11: I snap it like a whip, then you're stressing every

872
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 11: connection to the chain. Right. These guys are snapping the

873
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 11: whip every single pitch, and you can't do it. It's

874
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 11: just not possible.

875
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: Would you ever consider running a team?

876
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 11: I would love to. I'm actually I'm very interested in

877
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 11: getting back in the game. Now. That's kind of a

878
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 11: recent thing, but I would love to walk in and

879
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 11: sit down with a team and redefine pitching for an

880
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 11: organization from scouting to drafting to developing Johnny Podrey to

881
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 11: who I think was the best pitching coach I ever

882
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 11: ever was around. You used to have a saying, and

883
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 11: I believe, I believe will hardly you give me an arm,

884
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 11: I'll make you an All star because it's not hard

885
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 11: to teach. It just takes a different mindset. And I

886
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 11: don't see it. Uh, and it's it's gone. I mean,

887
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 11: you have guys in the big leagues who are coaching

888
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 11: who've never pitched, who've never They the guys that I

889
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 11: don't know, is it drive line or these these velocity

890
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 11: clinics are getting hired by teams to talk to a pitcher.

891
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: What is it?

892
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 11: What are they going to tell me about pitching in

893
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 11: the seventh inning of a game in October in the playoffs,

894
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 11: with the time run on third base? What are those

895
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 11: people going to give me? Throw harder? Because that's the answer,

896
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 11: And you know it's it's the two things directly correlate.

897
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 11: The more effort you put into a pitch, the less

898
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 11: command you have of the ball in the strike zone. Well,

899
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,959
Speaker 11: there's a way to teach these guys. Here's the here's

900
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 11: an example. I used to talk about going to the well,

901
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 11: and it's going to the well for me with max effort. Right,

902
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 11: I could go to the well three times in a game.

903
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 11: After the third time, I was done. But if I

904
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 11: didn't have to go to the well till the fifth

905
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 11: or sixth or seventh innings, then I was okay. And

906
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 11: going to the well is like run around third and

907
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 11: one out. I need a strikeout every pitch. It's just

908
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 11: going to be maxed effort. Right now. When I'm maxed effort,

909
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 11: I'm going from ninety three ninety four to ninety seven

910
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 11: ninety eight. These guys are maxed up. These guys are

911
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,879
Speaker 11: going to the well every pitch number one and number two.

912
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 11: They're doing it in such a way that they go

913
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 11: from ninety six to ninety seven. That's not it, you know.

914
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 11: Greg Metick had a great line a while back. He said,

915
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 11: when I see two cars on the freeway, one's driving

916
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 11: ninety and the other's driving ninety one, can you tell

917
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 11: the difference? No, But when one's doing ninety and one's

918
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 11: doing ninety five, you can. These guys are quote unquote

919
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 11: going to the well for and losing command, by the way,

920
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 11: and not getting any velocity every single pitch. It's just

921
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 11: not sustainable.

922
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but what would what would limit you from

923
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: getting back into the game would be that you've been

924
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: out of the game.

925
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: So how would you go about it?

926
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 11: I don't. I don't. Being out of the game, I

927
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 11: think has given me a bird's eye view of things,

928
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 11: and I think that there's a tunnel vision problem sometimes

929
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 11: where you know, you see baseball as athletics is a

930
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 11: game of copycat, right, Moneyball was this, Oh my god,

931
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 11: you guys are crazy, and now it's everywhere. I think

932
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 11: that there has to be an approach to pitching from

933
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 11: the outside looking in, like my perspective, to reset the clock,

934
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 11: because it does need to be reset.

935
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: Kurt Shillings, our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb Show

936
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, I did want your thoughts on

937
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: the WNBA. We've talked about it a ton. Oh my god,

938
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: and it's really interesting here. You have a young woman

939
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: in Caitlyn Clark who's legitimately legitimizing's but there have been

940
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: other great players come to the WNBA. What there hasn't

941
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: been is the type of great players that brings mainstream media,

942
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: that brings moms and their daughters to the games. Families

943
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: to the games. That has a legitimate following for a

944
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: myriad of reasons. You know, four years at the same school,

945
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: success in college, being from the Midwest, girl next door,

946
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: et cetera. I just want your your thoughts. I'm not

947
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: going to change anyway. When you see Caitlin Clark and

948
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: what's going on in the WNBA, well, so, first.

949
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 11: Of all, the uncomfortable conversation has to be had, right,

950
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 11: You've seen a ton of great NBA player WNBA players,

951
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 11: not many have been white, and that that is absolutely

952
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 11: part of this. I mean, Britney Griner basically said as much, right,

953
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 11: which is uncomfortable and stupid. It's so stupid. Nobody. I

954
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 11: can't think of any baseball player I was ever a

955
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,320
Speaker 11: fan of where the color of their skin had anything

956
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 11: to do with my rooting for them. I can't think

957
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 11: of any athlete from you know people. I'll date myself,

958
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 11: but people will talk about the fact that, you know,

959
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 11: I talk about Barry Bonds and Mark maguire very differently,

960
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 11: and people say, well, one guy's black or one guy's white.

961
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 11: I said, no, one I was a good guy and

962
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 11: one guy wasn't. Period. I don't care about the other stuff,

963
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 11: and sports fans don't either. But the fact of the

964
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 11: matter is, I've never seen a sport try to commit

965
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 11: suicide so adamantly on a daily basis. And you know,

966
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 11: if you listen to the Fever coach the other night,

967
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 11: she said the thing that everybody's thinking, the rest suck.

968
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 11: They have to get better because everybody else is getting

969
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 11: better and the eyes returning to the game. I was

970
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 11: thinking about this last night. Can you imagine what would

971
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 11: happen to the NBA she walked away today? Can you

972
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 11: fathom what would happen to that sport? And those women

973
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 11: are literally punching the gift horse in the mouth literally

974
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 11: and poking her in the eye. She is. There have

975
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 11: been superstars before, but there's never been I don't. I mean,

976
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 11: see Steph Curry with twenty feet more range. It's unbelievable

977
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 11: and it's fun to watch. And you know, God bless

978
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 11: Sophie Cunningham because she's now going to be one of

979
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 11: the most famous w NBA players that ever lived, and

980
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 11: rightly so. But I don't understand it right, think about this, Doug.

981
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 11: In our lives, we watched sports change the rules for players.

982
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 11: Michael Jordan, right Lebron James. The w n b A

983
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 11: is doing the exact opposite of all of those things.

984
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 11: They're not trying to protect the quarterback rule in the NFL.

985
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 11: The w n b A is like saying, Okay, beat

986
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 11: the hell out of her, but we're going to call

987
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 11: all the other fouls and it makes.

988
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: No sense she'll The only pushback I would have is

989
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 1: there is actually is a lot of Michael Jordan to it.

990
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: Remember the Pistons famously, Jordan rules knocked him on his

991
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: ass until ultimately they beat him, and then they end

992
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: up going on to three straight titles and then six.

993
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 2: Ultimately that happened.

994
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 11: That happened under the purview of the rest who called

995
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 11: the fouls. I got no right because you and I

996
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 11: are You and I are watching the sport going okay,

997
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 11: she should be ejected, she should be tech, and none

998
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 11: of that's happening. In many cases. It's just it's almost like,

999
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 11: you know, there's a ton of people who say sports

1000
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 11: are rigged, and you can point to a million things

1001
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 11: and say no, they're not. And then there are certain

1002
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 11: things that happen, such as the team down thirteen kicking

1003
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 11: a fifty yard field goal with two seconds left. There

1004
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 11: are things that happen where you look at it and go,

1005
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 11: wait a minute, maybe it is rigged, and this is

1006
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 11: one of those things.

1007
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 2: Kurt. We got to do this again, really really soon.

1008
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: Check out check out Kurt podcast. It's called The Complete Game,

1009
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: three days a week on YouTube. Download it, watch it.

1010
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll enjoy it. You know, Kurt never shot

1011
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: with his opinions. Kurt Shilling. Kurt, thanks so much for

1012
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: joining us on Fox Sport Tradio. Take care big boy,

1013
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: all right, I appreciate it.

1014
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: Kurt.

1015
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