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Speaker 1: And welcome inn Lake Kick is live. It is Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: January second, the Year of Our Lord. Let me check

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Speaker 1: the notes, twenty twenty two. It's our first show of

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Speaker 1: the new year. We are indeed jam packed. We are

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Speaker 1: high at top downtown snowy Nashville, Tennessee. One of our

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Speaker 1: buds on Twitter, jessco o'donald, just asked why, and really,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just left Miami and we are

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Speaker 1: now in freezing temperatures here. We're gonna go to Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: later this week, where the forecast high upon arrival is in.

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Speaker 2: The upper teens.

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Speaker 1: And we are a show with options, and we are

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Speaker 1: choosing this and that's really the most disappointing part, Like

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Speaker 1: when I write in my diary tonight, dear Diary, we're

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Speaker 1: choosing frigid temperatures over what.

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Speaker 2: We experienced in Miami last week.

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Speaker 1: It was palm trees, sunshine, iguanas, not always in that order.

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Speaker 2: It was great. But we do have a big week

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Speaker 1: So the National Championship Journey's gonna take us to Indianapolis, Indiana,

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Speaker 1: and the opportunity to meet Steve Wolffong and Kelly woof

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Speaker 1: I've got some early thoughts on Alabama and Georgia tonight.

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Speaker 1: It's not an SEC Championship recap, although the same kind

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Speaker 1: of bullet points that we hit once upon a time

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Speaker 1: when those teams played in Atlanta. Yeah, it'll sound like

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Speaker 1: a familiar refrain, but I'm not attacking it from that angle.

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Speaker 2: Tonight.

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Speaker 1: I've got what are probably gonna sound like some hot takes,

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Speaker 1: but they're really not.

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Speaker 2: I just feel this way about both teams.

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Speaker 1: The Bowl opt out drama, the debate, the conversation around

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Speaker 1: this whole thing. It really ramped up this past weekend.

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Speaker 1: There were some comments made on some national networks by

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Speaker 1: some national personalities that got a lot of you up

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Speaker 1: in arms. I rarely get up in arms. I get

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Speaker 1: really bother me all that much. I had a little

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Speaker 1: feel on it. So we're going to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Davi and is payt State material. Ever since the Baylor

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Speaker 1: game that we went to. We have a green sharpie

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Speaker 1: just because we brought it here because it represents Baylor

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Speaker 1: and Dave Randa, the head coach at Baylor at Payt

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Speaker 1: guys have won New Year's six bowl games before, but

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Speaker 1: not everyone does it the year after they win two games.

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Speaker 1: Dave Randa trending up, Baylor football trending up. But there

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Speaker 1: are some things about him that are going to merit

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Speaker 1: their own segment tonight on the show, because I want

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Speaker 1: And you know that we wouldn't just do the segment

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Speaker 1: because we don't do a bowl recap for every bowl game.

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Speaker 1: There are some things happening at Baylor that are going

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Speaker 1: Have you guys pay attention to that, so we're going

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Speaker 1: the late kick inbox that we're going to hit tonight,

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Speaker 1: So make sure you're following all the social channels this week.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who were following last week, especially

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Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter at Late Kick Josh, there was a

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Speaker 1: I think that's the show that we're going to do

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Speaker 1: so let's dive into tonight's show. I've been on the

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Speaker 1: let's dive into the show tonight. All right, Alabama and

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Speaker 1: Georgia are going to play for a national championship again.

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Speaker 1: They played for an SEC championship about a month ago,

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Speaker 1: and that means it's time for one of the absolute

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Speaker 1: lamest things that has become a recent trend in sports,

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Speaker 1: starting to tell you about TV ratings, and they're going

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Speaker 1: I don't care. I'm Tommy Lee Jones on the Fugitive.

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Speaker 1: I don't care, could not care less. You should not

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't care unless you own Disney, Like, unless you are

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Speaker 2: And what they're gonna do, of course.

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Speaker 1: Is they're going to tell you if this game gets

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Speaker 1: it's bad for college football.

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Speaker 2: If it's a good game, it's a good game. Good

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Speaker 1: There are arguments to be made that the hyperregionality of

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Speaker 1: It's not like we're stupid over here in the corner

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Speaker 2: I know what it means. I don't think you know

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Speaker 1: Like if we were to really, by the way, get

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Speaker 1: television metrics discussion and I were to ask you, like,

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Speaker 2: All the while, none of it matters because we got

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Speaker 1: I want to talk first and foremost about what this

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Speaker 1: I want you to make sure you appreciate what you're

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Speaker 1: seeing right now. This could be Nick Saban's best coaching job.

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Speaker 1: I was perusing the NFL draft numbers last night. Do

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Speaker 1: Alabama just littered the first round of the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: Even when you don't lose a bunch of guys to

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Speaker 1: Texas A and M. They're loading up players right now.

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Speaker 1: You go ask Jimbo Fisher how easy five years from now?

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Speaker 1: Ask him how easy it's been.

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Speaker 1: It is critically important to understand what happens once you

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Speaker 1: The talent is what you begin with. It's what you

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Speaker 1: not going to tell you they're in a nothing to

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Speaker 1: In this case, it's a championship, so you have maximum

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Speaker 1: the University of Georgia. What do you think about the

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Speaker 1: the magnitude of this moment for Georgia. All right, now

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Speaker 1: that I gave the adequate time to think it out loud,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you this is a must win game

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Speaker 2: Fully believe that.

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Speaker 1: I rarely say that, but I fully believe this is

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Speaker 1: at this It is a true must win situation for them,

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Speaker 1: not just if they want to win a national championship. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is a must win situation for Georgia as a program.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you don't.

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Speaker 1: Realize that you're at a crossroads until long after it's

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Speaker 1: You can realize this is a true crossroads inflection point

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because they're not going anywhere. Like of course,

437
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Speaker 1: I'm not crazy about bull opped outs, but I also

438
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Speaker 1: understand if I had potential top ten draft money waiting

439
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Speaker 1: for me a month or two months or three months

440
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: from now, yeah, I may think differently. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: personally involved and invested. I'm not going to pretend to

442
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: sit here and tell you should value my opinion on

443
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Speaker 1: what someone else should do with their career. I've got

444
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Speaker 1: my personal feel on it. I hate it when folks

445
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: opt out. But also it's really none of my business

446
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: what they do in their personal life, so the opinions

447
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,959
Speaker 1: are there too. The bull opedouts aren't going anywhere. Therefore,

448
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 1: the opinions aren't going anywhere.

449
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Speaker 2: Either.

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Speaker 1: A lot of you were tuned in, and even if

451
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Speaker 1: you weren't, you saw it on Twitter or you saw

452
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Speaker 1: the replays of it. Eventually to the College Game Day

453
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Speaker 1: broadcast they did before the Rose Bowl. I thought it

454
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Speaker 1: was insanity by the way, the schedule that some of

455
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Speaker 1: those guys like Fowler and Herb Street, Desmond Howard and whatnot.

456
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Speaker 1: The schedule they had this past weekend. I don't think

457
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Speaker 1: they slept at all. But they did a broadcast of

458
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Speaker 1: College Game Day at the Rose Bowl Saturday morning, and

459
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Speaker 1: they were talking about bowl opt outs, and they were

460
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Speaker 1: talking about the phrase meaningless bowl games and how there's

461
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Speaker 1: that connotation around these days that if there's not a

462
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Speaker 1: playoff spot involved, or a playoff trip on the line,

463
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Speaker 1: or it's not a playoff game, then the bowl game

464
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Speaker 1: is less significant and therefore it's meaningless. And it's a

465
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Speaker 1: conversation we've had a million and one times on this show.

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Speaker 2: That's not what the controversy was.

467
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Speaker 1: The controversy lied in a conversation that Kirkurbstreet and Desmond

468
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Speaker 1: Howard started to have on set about how, in a sense,

469
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Speaker 1: today's player may not love the sport like yesterday's player did.

470
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Speaker 1: Kirkerbstreet kind of drew some criticism for a direct comment

471
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Speaker 1: he made said I think today's player maybe just doesn't

472
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Speaker 1: love the sport like the player of yesterday did. So

473
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Speaker 1: when that happened, I wasn't watching it live. I quickly

474
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Speaker 1: was alerted that something controversial had been said. As is

475
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Speaker 1: usually the case when something allegedly controversial happens, I went

476
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Speaker 1: back and watch and didn't really sense a whole lot

477
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Speaker 1: of controversy in my own gut. I just listened. I said, oh, well,

478
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Speaker 1: that's one opinion, and that's that's kind of you know

479
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Speaker 1: where I left it. There was a retraction issued later

480
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Speaker 1: by kirkurb Street. Sow Hes said, look, I'm not saying

481
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Speaker 1: every play I'm not broad brushing this. I'm not saying

482
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Speaker 1: every player doesn't love the game and every player used

483
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Speaker 1: to love the game.

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Speaker 2: But he kind of stuck to his conviction of what

485
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Speaker 2: he meant to say, and.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty obvious by the way, Like

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Speaker 1: when I went back and watched it, it was one

488
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Speaker 1: of those moments where I said, I can tell he

489
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Speaker 1: was trying to say something that didn't necessarily come out

490
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Speaker 1: of his mouth the way he wanted to say it,

491
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Speaker 1: Like sometimes that stuff's clear, and then you got the retraction,

492
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Speaker 1: and you know how that usually goes. The observation afterwards

493
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Speaker 1: was what was interesting for me. So there were two

494
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Speaker 1: camps that were the most vocal here. Camp Number one

495
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Speaker 1: was the vocal minority pretending to, you know, feign outrage.

496
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Speaker 1: And that's always the vocal minority that pretends they're fighting

497
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Speaker 1: for players' rights, and really they couldn't care less. Really,

498
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Speaker 1: they're looking for the quickest retweet they can get. And

499
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Speaker 1: they're also understanding when you get that kind of opportunity

500
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Speaker 1: of Kirkhbstreet, a guy who rarely says anything controversial, and

501
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: a controversial statement coming out of his mouth, that guy's

502
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: name does incredible web traffic. So if you get a

503
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Speaker 1: remote controversy and the name Kirkurbstreet, those folks got to

504
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Speaker 1: jump on that. I mean, they got traffic quotas to hit,

505
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: they got to jump on it. So I understand how

506
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: the game's played. I'm not even all that mad at you.

507
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Speaker 1: That was the vocal minority. Twitter's not real life. So

508
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Speaker 1: the more silent majority that I heard from personally was

509
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Speaker 1: in the camp that we've been in for a long

510
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Speaker 1: time on this show we have done, probably Colin, I

511
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Speaker 1: would say, back when we first got here, one of

512
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Speaker 1: the first shows we ever did was including a topic

513
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Speaker 1: on this.

514
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Speaker 2: Just this mind numbing.

515
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Speaker 1: Hypocrisy that you rightfully sense when you listen to anyone

516
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Speaker 1: who's got a problem with bowl opt outs or who's

517
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Speaker 1: got a problem with people talking about meaningless playoff games,

518
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Speaker 1: and they are espousing those viewpoints on the same platform

519
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Speaker 1: that a lot of us think has been centrally responsible

520
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: for those very things occurring in this sport. To put

521
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Speaker 1: a finer point on what I'm saying, I'm telling you

522
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Speaker 1: it's not that any one person like Desmond Howard, a kurkhurstreet,

523
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: It's not that they have taken the central role. It

524
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: is more like an ESPN promotion and marketing department strategy

525
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Speaker 1: that was hatched back when they secured the rights to

526
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Speaker 1: the college football Playoff that created phrases like Who's in

527
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Speaker 1: and created a marketing plan and a promotion and then

528
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: a production plan to shove playoff down your throat and

529
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Speaker 1: to make sure you understood very clearly these games matter,

530
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Speaker 1: and we're going to put not just a brighter spotlight

531
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Speaker 1: on it, we're going to have like a five million

532
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Speaker 1: candlewot light on this, and everything else is going to

533
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: be in the dark. And then they're going to be

534
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Speaker 1: people on our airwaves who a little ways into the process,

535
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Speaker 1: they start to use phrases like meaningless Bowl game, and

536
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Speaker 1: they start to crystallize the playoff. And you're watching Central

537
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: Michigan Toledo on a Tuesday night, and in between first

538
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: and second down, there's a time out called by the coach,

539
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: and instead of that broadcast team in the booth talking

540
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Speaker 1: about what plays coming up, they put up a graphic

541
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Speaker 1: and they talk about this Saturday and what the playoff

542
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: picture could look like. And it's late September, and you're watching,

543
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: like we all have been, and you're saying, why are

544
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: you talking about the playoff in the middle of a

545
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 1: Mac game right now? There's a game going on, call

546
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 1: this game. But that's the way it was, And it

547
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: was like that for quite a while. Then all of

548
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, people in studios one thousand miles away said

549
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Speaker 1: the phrase meaningless Bowl game, and suggested that sort of idea,

550
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: and it started to permeate, and then fans started to

551
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: talk that way, and everybody else out there and the

552
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: media ether started to talk that way, and players started

553
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: to listen to him. That would be my core beef, Like,

554
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna draw, if I'm going to draw any

555
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: kind of umbrage with anything that either one of those

556
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: guys said the other night. Number One, it's the network

557
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 1: they're saying it on and not necessarily anything to do

558
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,199
Speaker 1: with them. It's the network in general because they can

559
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: just feel how they feel. But then number two, it's

560
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't blame the players, like I'm not looking at players,

561
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: even if I despise the concept of opt outs, I'm

562
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: not blaming the players. I didn't never hear a player

563
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: for cal or Utah or Missouri start to use the

564
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: phrase meaningless playoff game back in twenty thirteen, fourteen fifteen.

565
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: I never heard that come out of players' mouths. I

566
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: heard it come out of TV executive's mouths. I heard

567
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: it come out of TV analyst's mouths. A lot of

568
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: adults in the room that should have known better, that

569
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: should have looked out for the best interest of the

570
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: sport that they're paid to cover. Those were the mouths

571
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: out of which you heard phrases like meaningless bowl game,

572
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: an exhibition instead of a playoff game. Well, the players listened,

573
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: and now you are seeing the consequence of that. Players

574
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: believed you, the adults in the room in many cases

575
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: when you told them the games are meaningless, and they said, well,

576
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: if it's meaningless, and especially if I've got prospects down

577
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: the road financially to look after, why am I going

578
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: to play?

579
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Speaker 2: And so they opted out.

580
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Speaker 1: They opted out for reasons that quite frankly, are their

581
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: business and only their business. But it never happened a

582
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Speaker 1: decade ago. Anyone who points that out is right. These

583
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: things never happened a decade ago. What's changed, Well, I

584
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't say the attitude of players has necessarily shifted towards

585
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: the negative. That's not where I stand on it. Where

586
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: I stand is the players not really being all that

587
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: much at fault. I don't question the heart of players.

588
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: What I'm questioning is how in the world are we

589
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 1: about to have adults in the room get mad at

590
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: kids when all the kids did was listen to the adults.

591
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: That's been our core issue about this from the beginning,

592
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: and if you've watched Lake Kick for a long time,

593
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: you've heard me do a version of this segment ten times,

594
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: and so it's not going anywhere. But I will say

595
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: this now for a lot of people who took issue

596
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: with what someone like KIRKERB Street said or Desmond Howard said,

597
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: here's what I started to sense as the day went on.

598
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: There was a lot of lumping going on. I want, well,

599
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: I want to caution you. You can do whatever you want to.

600
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: I want you to be very careful, though, because I

601
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: see this happen more and more, and I've tried to

602
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: point out when it seems like I'm doing it that

603
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm not really doing it. I would encourage you to

604
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: be very careful lumping every opinion you disagree with about

605
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: this sport into the same category, because there is a

606
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: huge difference in someone who makes a statement you disagree

607
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: with who is doing it from a foundation of love

608
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: for college football, versus someone making a statement you disagree

609
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: with and it coming from a foundation of them having

610
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: really contempt for the sport. They don't feel it, they

611
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: don't have passion for it, they don't love it, they're

612
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: not looking out for it. They're looking out for any

613
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: of a number of agendas that really drive them, and

614
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: college football just happens.

615
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: To be the vehicle. You know.

616
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: They're the parasite, and they have latched onto college football

617
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: and they're using it for all the wrong purposes. So

618
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: you can disagree with both parties, one of them needs

619
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: to be in an entirely separate category than the other

620
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: one does, because I can promise you one thing. Look,

621
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Speaker 1: whatever you thought about what that entire panel said the

622
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: other day, you take someone like Kirk Herbstreet. If you're

623
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Speaker 1: a diehard college football fan and you really want what's

624
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: best for this sport, you and him want the same thing,

625
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: even if you may disagree on an individual topic. You

626
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: want the same thing. But some of the more nameless

627
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: and faceless power brokers in this sport that are pushing

628
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: all forms of quote unquote progress and pushing the game

629
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Speaker 1: quote unquote forward, those folks don't necessarily align with your

630
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: values and principles. They are very very good, They are

631
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: very adept at convincing you the alternative is true, and

632
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: they are very very good at selling you on the

633
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: right bullet points to get you on board with their

634
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: line of thinking they do not share your values. They

635
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: just don't. They don't care about the same things you do.

636
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: And I'm right there with you, they don't care about

637
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: the same things I do. But for some people, I

638
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: think that a lot of times, there's a lot of

639
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: quick draw out there. You gotta have a reaction to everything.

640
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's best to just put your hands behind your back,

641
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: put the device down, and just think for a little while,

642
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: think critically for a little while. For some of us,

643
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: college football does not orbit around something else. For some

644
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: of us, college football is the center of the sporting universe,

645
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: and so for some of us, really, whether you agree

646
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: with everything that comes out of my mouth or kirkhurb

647
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Street's mouth or Dasmin Howard's mouth, some of us have

648
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: the best interest of the sport at heart, and that's

649
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: really where it stops.

650
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: For us.

651
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: College football is not a wrung on the ladder that

652
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: you just step on to get somewhere else. For us,

653
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: college football is it. I mean, for me, it's my

654
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: livelihood and I love this. I would really love to

655
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: be able to give to it because it's given so

656
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: much to me. I'm not a player, But there are

657
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: other ways that you can contribute positively and give to it.

658
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: But when you talk like that, some people think it's false.

659
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: Some people think it's not authentic. I can promise you

660
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: it's very authentic. And when you see me push back

661
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: so hard against things that are labeled as progress in

662
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: relation to the sport that I don't view as progress.

663
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: I come from the South Okay, and I come from

664
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: the sixty five Corridor and the seventy five Corridor. There

665
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: are a lot of small towns in South Georgia and

666
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: South Alabama that got sold on progress once upon a

667
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: time when those interstates came through. And look, if you're

668
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: the governor of Georgia or Alabama, it was progress if

669
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: you lived in Birmingham or Montgomery, or Mobile, if you

670
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: lived in Macon, if you lived in Atlanta, it was progress. Valdosta, Oh,

671
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: it was progress because it made it easier. Thoroughfares made

672
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: it a whole lot easier to bring tourism traffic in,

673
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: and it made it a whole lot easier to get

674
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 1: where you were going, a lot quicker if you were

675
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: traveling long distances. But it wasn't progress for everyone. You

676
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 1: ask little towns in South Georgia, little towns in South Alabama.

677
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: It's not always progress for everyone. So if I was

678
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 1: the governor of Georgia, man, I wouldn't listen to your

679
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: crist for a second. There's a greater good being served here.

680
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: There's a larger good being served here. So we're building

681
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: that interstate, whether you like it or not. But if

682
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm the mayor of Cordel, Georgia, I'm not listening to that.

683
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: My priorities are different. And so there are two arguments

684
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: that can be made here with most of the debates.

685
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: Happening in college football right now, and.

686
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: Part of that is some folks just have a different

687
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: viewpoint than you do. I'm sitting here with college football

688
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: being the center of the world for me as it

689
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: relates to sports. Other people aren't. College football is kind

690
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: of a stopgap for them. It's something they do on

691
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: Saturday to hold them over to Sundays. So their opinions

692
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: are not born out of pure love and passion for

693
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: this game.

694
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: Mine are.

695
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: That's why they're going to sound different sometimes, That's why

696
00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: mine may sound a little more hysterical. Sometimes I probably

697
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: care about it a little bit more. But whether you

698
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: agree with it or not, one thing you can always

699
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 1: take to the bank is if I'm saying something, it's

700
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: coming from the standpoint of what's in the best interest

701
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: of this sport and really nothing else. And by this sport,

702
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: I clearly mean this sport and the players who play

703
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: this sport. All right, we can move on now. We

704
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: have created sort of a phrase that we use, and

705
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: we've used it all season when something is either when

706
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: someone's achieving or something happens at such a high level

707
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 1: that it warrants special consideration, and that is peate state

708
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: material and pate state material is the label that we

709
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: put on Dave Randa several months ago, and he reaffirmed

710
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: it last night. They played Ole Miss in the Sugar Bowl.

711
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: They beat Ole Miss and they not only win the

712
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: Big twelve, they win the Sugar Bowl. They cap a

713
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: twelve and two season emphatically. They were two and seven

714
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: a year ago. So Dave Randa turns it around overnight.

715
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: Dave Randa is he's getting a lot of praise today,

716
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: as he should. We've been praising him all year, and

717
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: this really had a turning point for me in the

718
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: middle of the year. If you've been watching the show

719
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: all year, you know exactly what I'm talking about Dave Randa.

720
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 1: Wins two games last year, he wins twelve games this year.

721
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: His attitude doesn't change whatsoever. He just he permanently looks

722
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: like a guy in the waiting room in a dentist office,

723
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: even when they poured a gatorade on him, or when

724
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: he loses a game. It's just always the same, very

725
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: even keeled. So why am I talking about Dave Randa

726
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: specifically tonight, Well, it is because he had a big

727
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 1: win yesterday. But there's something bigger happening here as it

728
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: relates to college football as a whole, the Big Twelve

729
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: and college football as a whole, and it's one of

730
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: the major takeaways for me from this entire season and

731
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: moving forward. So follow me here for just a second,

732
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: because you may think, if you're a Colorado fan, it's

733
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: really doesn't pertain to you.

734
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: Oh it does.

735
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: It always does, because anytime anyone is succeeding, other administrators

736
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: are watching because everyone wants to duplicate success. So for

737
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: a little while there, it looked like the only model

738
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: that was ever going to work for success from this

739
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: point moving forward was go find an offensive coach and

740
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: score forty five points a game. Then he got a

741
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: little defensive Renaissance in a renaissance year, and then Brent

742
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: Vinnables gets a shot, David Randa has already got a shot,

743
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: and Dave Randa is shining. Marcus Freeman gets a shot

744
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. So there's a very cyclical nature to

745
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: the sport. But Dave Randa is a guy specifically that

746
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: I've circled that I think is going to be a

747
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: rock star. And I didn't know a whole lot about

748
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: him as a person before this year, like as a

749
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: coach and a person. I'd observed him from afar. We

750
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 1: got to spend some time closer to him this year,

751
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 1: especially during the week of that Oklahoma game where they

752
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: ended up upsetting the Sooners. I have zero doubt he's

753
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: legit after this year and kind of being close to

754
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: him for that week, I have zero doubt that he's

755
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: different too. That's the key that I want to hone

756
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: in on a little bit here, because as he gets

757
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: more attention, which he will, more people will pick up

758
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,399
Speaker 1: on this.

759
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: I just want us to be.

760
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: A little bit ahead of the curve, and a lot

761
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: of people are gonna have fun with it. If you're

762
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: watching on YouTube right now you see the monitor behind me.

763
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: That demeanor, that's always his demeanor. Whether the win in

764
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: by forty or losing by forty, that's always his demeanor. Now,

765
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people are gonna have fun with that.

766
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: It's gonna be good natured. But people are gonna joke

767
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: about it because they don't understand it. And I just

768
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,959
Speaker 1: want to make sure you understand that's not a joke.

769
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: That guy's not putting on an act for you. That

770
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: really is the way his mind's working is. It is

771
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: so process oriented over result oriented that there is really

772
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: no room to celebrate. And you may think that's no

773
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: way to live life. Well, it's no way to live

774
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: life if you're normal. By the very nature of what

775
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: it takes to achieve at this level, you can't be normal.

776
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: Normal guys don't pan out in this sport at the

777
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: highest level. Normal guys don't really pan out at any

778
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: in any industry at the highest level. Average people don't

779
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: make it that high. Dave Ranna's not average, and you

780
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: should be happy that he's not if you're a Baylor fan.

781
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: But Aranda is the first guy I've been around that

782
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: rubs me the same way that Nick Saban rubs me.

783
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: I've been around Saban a lot. I was around Dave

784
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 2: Ranna this.

785
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: Year, and when I say he rubs me the same

786
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: way Nick Saban does, I'm not doing the ab comparison.

787
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's the next Nick Saban because no

788
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: one knows that. What I'm saying is Nick Saban. When

789
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: you're around him, he exudes that process over result attitude

790
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: and you have long since been able to have fun

791
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: at the expense of the way Nick Saban carries himself,

792
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: and he participates in it like he gets it. He

793
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: understands Nick Saban's kind of a showman, even though he

794
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: doesn't exude it.

795
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 2: He understands like he's.

796
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: Got a look, he's got a roll, and he's got

797
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: a persona that has been established out there in the public.

798
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: Ether he gets it, so he plays along with it.

799
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: Dave A Randa a lot younger and a lot newer

800
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: to the scenes, so he's still trying to feel his

801
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: way out a little. But Dave Randa's like that. Dave

802
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: Randa's not putting on an act. Dave Randa, You're never

803
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: going to see him outwardly celebrate a whole lot. Dave

804
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: Randa's the kind of guy that's very even keeled, but

805
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: he does not afford himself time to focus on the

806
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: results because he's all about process. Now here's where that

807
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: really slapped me in the face this year when we

808
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: were at the Oklahoma game.

809
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: They upset Oklahoma.

810
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: The field gets stormed, and they have put themselves in

811
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: the driver's seat for the Big twelve championship game. And

812
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: it was the biggest win in several years for the program.

813
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: And it was a noon game, so we got to

814
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: get out of there pretty quickly. We met with Dave

815
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: Randa after the game and he's just come out of

816
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: an exuberant locker room, as they should be, and we

817
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: were in his postgame press conference and I asked him,

818
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: you know about the previous week, because they had lost

819
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: to TCU the previous week, and I asked him what

820
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: impact that TCU loss had on today's result, and he said,

821
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: I think it had a big impact. And then he said,

822
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: that's how I know we really haven't arrived yet, He said,

823
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: I really I view it as a failure on my

824
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: part that it mattered. He said, we've got to get

825
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: to a point where it doesn't matter. I think that

826
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: sort of sounded like coach speak, and it flew over

827
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: a lot of people's heads. Just sounded like a throwaway comment.

828
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: It's worth its weight in gold because he's not participating

829
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: in coach speak. That's an entire life philosophy that he's

830
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: choosing to share with you.

831
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: There. He was serious.

832
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: He walked out of that locker room, and whereas the

833
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: normal folks are looking at it and saying.

834
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: Oh, good for you, Look at you.

835
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: You should be doused in champagne, he's saying, it's a

836
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: shame that we played at such a high level today

837
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: after we lost, because what he's saying is it took

838
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: an external factor to maximize my team's performance instead of

839
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: me being to instill in them the concept that you

840
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: should be able to perform at a maximum level every

841
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: week because you should be focused on process and internals

842
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: over anything external. That was a fascinating glimpse into his mind.

843
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know that that's kind of guy he was.

844
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: I do now, but it's very interesting.

845
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: Now.

846
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: I told you this relates to college football, and this

847
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: relates sort of to the Big Twelve. It's ironic that

848
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: Baylor played ole Miss last night because Dave Randa had options,

849
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 1: and Dave Randa chose to stay at Baylor. Lane Kiffin

850
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: is at ol Miss because he didn't have any other

851
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: major options. And I think a lot of those details

852
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: will come to light a little bit more after this season.

853
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: But those two guys, those two guys were in a

854
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: very different situation. They'll both be back at their respective

855
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: universities next year, and I'm not here to talk about

856
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin. But it was very interesting because Dave Randa

857
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to get out of Waco. A lot

858
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: of people would have taken it. Dave Randa's not like

859
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Dave Randa looked and said, this

860
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: is where I want to be. In fact, he told

861
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: us that day, I think we can accomplish big things

862
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: at Baylor.

863
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: I want to be at Baylor. He kind of deadpanned it.

864
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: He had a flat face and he said it, and

865
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people let it go in

866
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: one ear and out the other. Well, now he put

867
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Speaker 1: his money where his mouth is and he's staying at Baylor.

868
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: And it's an inflection point in the Big Twelve because

869
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's not going to be there much longer. Texas not

870
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: going to be there much longer. The big question is,

871
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: in that post Longhorn sooner world, who benefits from the

872
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: excess amount of oxygen now in the room? Why not Baylor?

873
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it be Baylor. They're in a prime position

874
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: right now. It's a really good time to be a

875
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: Baylor fan. And as you look from a distance, if

876
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: your program's in a position to hire a head coach

877
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: in the next eighteen to thirty six months, I'm not

878
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: saying go get Dave Randa.

879
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: If you could pull that off, it too be a

880
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: miracle for your program.

881
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: It's not that it's every time a new kind of

882
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: guy has success Sam Pittman's same way at Arkansas, then

883
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 1: everyone in the industry is asking, who's our Sam Pittman,

884
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: Who's the next Dave Randa.

885
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: And it's good.

886
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: It's always good because then it creates a new pool

887
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: of potential candidates that to that point maybe wouldn't have

888
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: been considered for a head coaching job. And so that

889
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: is really good because then it turns over a new

890
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: layer of top soil at the head coaching level and

891
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: gives guys opportunities that maybe they wouldn't have had. So

892
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Dave Randa could end up impacting your program, or it

893
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: could just beat your program, or it could do both.

894
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: We'll see.

895
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the Q and A. Let's

896
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: go to the inbox re quick, We've got five good

897
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 1: questions here. The Late Kick Extra podcast is back this week,

898
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: so this is kind of a version of what the

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Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra podcast is. Jesse producer Jesse Yes submitted

900
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: a question. He said, what are the three biggest things

901
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: teams need to have to be able to defeat the

902
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: Alabamas and Georgia's of the world. Well, the first thing

903
00:43:56,120 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: they have to have is the necessary roster. This is

904
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: not necessarily in order, so they've got to have that.

905
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: But they've got to have the maximum buy in too,

906
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: which means they have to have a plus investment across

907
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: the board. There cannot be a weak link. There cannot

908
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: be one area they fall kind of fatally short in

909
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: cause the other programs don't, so they've got.

910
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: To have that.

911
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: They've got to have the talent acquisition, but they've got

912
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: to be able to develop and manage it once it

913
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Speaker 1: gets there or else the previous two don't really matter.

914
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: They're just wasted. So I would say an all in culture,

915
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: top to bottom that is administrative university too. That is

916
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: talent acquisition, and that is player development. And roster management

917
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: doesn't help to leverage the portal pretty effectively too. And

918
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: when I say roster management, nil is included in all that.

919
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: Let's go next tier.

920
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: When is the realistic window for the Aggies to get

921
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: over the hump and win a national championship with the

922
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: best recruiting class ever? They picked up another five star today.

923
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: By the way, I think it's a litt unrealistic for

924
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: it to be next season. Well, I don't know that

925
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: it's unrealistic. I mean, it's not that they'll probably be

926
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: my preseason prediction to win a national championship. But let's

927
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 1: just think it out loud for a second. Connor Wigman's

928
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: coming in. Jimbo Fisher was with us on the signing

929
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: day show said he's the best quarterback in the country.

930
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: I think they are going to fast track him. I

931
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,720
Speaker 1: don't know if he starts next year, but if he doesn't,

932
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean someone beat him, which is to facto, very

933
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: very good situation for A and M. They are immediately

934
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 1: upgrading on the perimeter at the skill positions they will

935
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: forever now that they have recruited the way they are,

936
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: they will never lack on the lines of scrimmage again.

937
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: They will never lack for quality depth. They will not

938
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: lack They have all those attributes that I just said

939
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: you need to have. They've got all those things. I

940
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: think they can compete for it next year. The problem

941
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: is they picked Bama off this year, but they didn't

942
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: capitalize on it. They couldn't capitalize on it this year

943
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: to get any easier to pick them off.

944
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: It's what I'm saying.

945
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: Next up, why are people doing revisionist history based on

946
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: the playoff games saying that Notre Dame or anyone else

947
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: deserved a playoff spot over a twelve to one.

948
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 2: Big ten champ I e. Michigan.

949
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: This is not just relegated to this year. I've seen

950
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: this happen. We've seen this happen a number of times

951
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. It happened to them a couple of times.

952
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: Notre Dame gets in the playoff, they get blown out,

953
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: and then people say Notre Dame shouldn't have been.

954
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 2: In the playoff.

955
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, they should, because any team that replaced Notre Dame

956
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: would have had the same thing.

957
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: Happened to him. But It's not about waiting.

958
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: For the playoff games and then deciding if the right

959
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: teams were in.

960
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: That is a foolish way to go about it.

961
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: You qualify for the playoffs based on your regular season resume.

962
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: And that's it. So I should I should have.

963
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: Your opinion on the table about which team should have

964
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: been in before kickoff of the semi final games. Ever

965
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: happens once the games kickoff, all the noise stops.

966
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: There is no revised.

967
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: Opinion to be had about which team should have made

968
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: the playoff once the playoff begins, because what happens in

969
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: the playoff is not part of the criteria for who

970
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: should make the playoff. I know that sounds very common sensical,

971
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: but I think it has to be stated here. Cincinnati

972
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: absolutely should have been in there. To be honest, I

973
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: was a little out of it because I was actually

974
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: covering the game. I didn't know people were even talking

975
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: like that, But I guess it does make sense.

976
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: So the revisionist history about.

977
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: Who should have been in instead of like Michigan or Cincinnati,

978
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: I think they were talking about both of them. Just

979
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: brush that to the side. That's casual talk. Next up

980
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: is Jake who outside of the SEC. Do you see

981
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: being a contender in the next few years, someone who

982
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: can seriously compete with the best in the SEC. Well,

983
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: the tough qualifier here is he says outside of the SEC.

984
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: To me, it should be outside of Georgia and Bama

985
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: because I want to be able to put A and

986
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: M in here. I want to be able to include

987
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly at LSU. But if I got to go

988
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: outside the SEC. I think we're all interested to see

989
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: how Clemson bounces back or if they do what does

990
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: Mac Brown do at North Carolina Because a lot of

991
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: times when you build expectations for a program and they

992
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 1: fall short, but they're continuing to recruit at a high level,

993
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: sometimes you were just a year early on them. I'll

994
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: be interested to see if we were a year early

995
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: on North Carolina. Penn State is a quarterback away and

996
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: they just brought a five star version of a quarterback

997
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: on campus and Drew Aller. I will of course be

998
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: very interested to see what Marcus Freeman does at Notre Dame.

999
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: Texas has Quinn Ewers at quarterback now and Texas will

1000
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 1: now be in year two under Stark and they are

1001
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,720
Speaker 1: really overhauling that roster those are some of the programs,

1002
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: along of course with Lincoln Riley at USC Those are

1003
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: some of the program that I would look at From

1004
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: Rex Castillo Street name, Rex Castillo. What are your thoughts

1005
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: on Brian Robinson of Alabama waiting his turn to become

1006
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: the star running back in the world of the modern

1007
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: day transfer portal. I'm so glad that he asked this question,

1008
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: because I completely forgot to talk about this the other night,

1009
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: and that's on me. Brian Robinson is a poster child

1010
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: for what a college football player is. If you want

1011
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: a perfect embodiment of a the perfect college football player,

1012
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: it's Brian Robinson. Brian Robinson grows up in the state

1013
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: of Alabama. I think he grew up in Tuscaloosa, actually,

1014
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: and he commits to Alabama. He was a four star

1015
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: running back, would have already long since starred and probably

1016
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: gone to the league at most programs. But he is

1017
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: on the same roster with stud after stud after stud

1018
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: and so he's not featured until what is fifth year there.

1019
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: And now Brian Robinson has battled injury and yet he's

1020
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: persevered and he ran it for over two hundred yards

1021
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: in the semi final game played on one leg against

1022
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: Georgia and still put it's in incredible work, especially in

1023
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: past pro. And he has the mentality that if you

1024
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: could clone it and put it in everyone else, you'd

1025
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: win every game one hundred and nothing. Brian Robinson is

1026
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: everything that is right about sports, not just college football.

1027
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: Like Brian Robinson is a perfect version of a competitor.

1028
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: He's a perfect version of a college football player. I

1029
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: wish we had a million of him. Like Brian Robinson

1030
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: is everything that is right about sports. I don't think

1031
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: that you could ever go wrong. I don't think you

1032
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: can promote him enough. I'd make if I ran a

1033
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: promotional department, he would be my poster child. Brian Robinson

1034
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: is a phenomenal story. You don't know a lot about

1035
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: him because he's not overly outspoken. He is the tailback

1036
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: for Alabama. You know when you're watching because he will

1037
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: not let you ignore him. But Brian Robinson's been a

1038
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: great story.

1039
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 2: I'm very, very.

1040
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: Glad that that question got asked because we did not

1041
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 1: spend enough time on him this year and the other night. Again,

1042
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: thank you so much for watching. We're three nights a week,

1043
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: so we're Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday. We're here in Nashville all week.

1044
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: We'll be in Indianapolis next Sunday night. Make sure that

1045
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: you are following on Twitter and Instagram at late Kick Josh.

1046
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: I can't stress that enough. There are so many things

1047
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: happening this week. There are a lot of things that

1048
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: pop every single day, and we often are talking amongst

1049
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: each other on those mediums because we don't have a

1050
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: show one hour later that we can just get on

1051
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: here and free flow on the mic with.

1052
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 2: So make sure you're following there. Thank you so much.

1053
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: We're in a new year, huge things coming this year.

1054
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: Last year was insanely off the charts in every category.

1055
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: You guys made that possible.

1056
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how many folks we have behind the scenes,

1057
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how hard.

1058
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: You work, It doesn't matter how talented anyone is. You

1059
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: are who makes the show happen. We know that. We

1060
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 2: know that, we know that. So thank you, thank you,

1061
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: thank you. You say it three times, it matters a

1062
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: whole lot more than if you say it one time.

1063
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: So let's have a great twenty Twitter teo together. Thank

1064
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: you so much for producer Jesse for a direct college.

1065
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: I'm Josh Batee. Have yourselves a great start to your weekend,

1066
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Speaker 2: A great starts to twenty twenty two. A Companies