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Speaker 1: The volume. Our conversation with my friend Danny Parkins is

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Speaker 1: presented by uber eats. You know, I love them, get

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Speaker 1: here we go. Even though I am on a little

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, I got some time here.

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Speaker 1: Danny Parkins, the co host breakfast Ball stops and we

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Speaker 1: do this about once a month and we always just

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Speaker 1: kind of spitball a variety of topics. So I'll start

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Speaker 1: with this one, and it's an annual tradition. The All

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Speaker 1: Star Game in the NBA is fairly unwatchable. It has

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Speaker 1: been for most of the last half decade. And you know,

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Speaker 1: people lament what is wrong with the league. I would

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Speaker 1: say two things. First, all Star games, except maybe Baseball's,

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Speaker 1: are all kind of dying. We see all these teams

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Speaker 1: every night, these players. There is no special ooh a

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Speaker 1: interleague play. The second thing, and I would defend the

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Speaker 1: NBA here. And I've been critical of the league. I

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Speaker 1: think it's become a kind of a monotonous three point

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Speaker 1: shooting gallery. And that will end somewhere in the playoffs

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Speaker 1: because mid range games and situational basketball and get a

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Speaker 1: bucket really becomes playoff basketball because much more half court.

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Speaker 1: It's not on the treadmill. People are defending at a

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Speaker 1: higher level. You just sometimes need a mid range jumper

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Speaker 1: to win the game. But the NBA eleven year, seventy

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Speaker 1: six billion dollars owners are happy, players are happy, commissioners happy.

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Speaker 1: It's not their responsibility if the broadcast partners overreached. So

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Speaker 1: my take is a lot of the complainers don't like

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Speaker 1: the NBA anyway, But the NBA its owners, players and

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Speaker 1: employees should be overjoyed right now with a new contract.

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Speaker 1: And the All Star Game is a rain drop in

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Speaker 1: an eleven year in rainstorm, it doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 2: So the All Star Game is a guilty sports pleasure

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Speaker 2: of mine. Maybe my favorite childhood memory was I went

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Speaker 2: to the All Star Game in Cleveland in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: seven with my dad when the NBA celebrated yeah, the

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Speaker 2: fifty greatest players of all time and unbelievable stories that

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Speaker 2: so cool for an eleven year old kid to be

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Speaker 2: All Star Game. I love gambling on the dunk contest.

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Speaker 2: I love the dunk contest. I loved Vince Carter. I

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Speaker 2: loved Zach Levine against Aaron Gordon. Like I always said,

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Speaker 2: it was like my guilty pleasure. The celebrity, the pomp,

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Speaker 2: the circumstance, the ridiculousness of it, And there was a

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Speaker 2: social contract that existed between the players and the fans.

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Speaker 2: Those of us that did love it, it was ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: It was silly. There was you know, Shaq would try

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Speaker 2: to cross someone up and pull up for three we

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Speaker 2: did not expect high level basketball for four quarters. Go

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Speaker 2: out and do your fun, don't get injured. We got

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Speaker 2: all of it, but there was a social contract that

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Speaker 2: basically then said keep it close and give us twelve

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Speaker 2: the end. And in twenty twenty they upheld that social contract.

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Speaker 2: The NBA All Star Game in Chicago. It was right

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Speaker 2: after Kobe Bryant died Teamianus against Team Lebron. Half the

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Speaker 2: team was wearing Kobe's jersey number. Half the guys were

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Speaker 2: history of Chicago matter. And I have no idea. The

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Speaker 2: game was one fifty seven, one fifty five and the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter was entertaining. That's all we want, Like, I

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Speaker 2: don't think I'm asking for a lot? Did I hear

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Speaker 2: these guys on all of their podcasts, including Draymond's. He

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Speaker 2: too much to ask does it matter? Does it affect

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Speaker 2: the ratings or the drop in the bucket as you

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Speaker 2: call it. No, But somewhere along the way, the social

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Speaker 2: contract was broken of just try for twelve minutes and

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to ask of

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Speaker 1: Some of what the NBA is going through. I always

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Speaker 1: feel like by the way you get this in other businesses.

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Speaker 1: If something happens, it happens in threes, you know. And

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Speaker 1: is Listen, It's just the league's always been driven by aesthetics,

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Speaker 1: and right now the aesthetics aren't good. The game's a

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Speaker 1: little monotonous. The NBA All Star Game was ugly and boring.

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Speaker 1: Some of this is just bad pr It may not

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Speaker 1: have no effect long term, but companies go through this.

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Speaker 1: How much of it's that?

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of it. And I think that

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Speaker 2: this happens to a lot of businesses and a lot

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Speaker 2: of industries. The business of basketball is objectively very healthy.

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Speaker 2: The players have guaranteed contracts. The talent is insane, the

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Speaker 2: contracts are locked in the Charlotte franchise. Just when for

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars like the league is healthy. That is

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Speaker 2: the left parallel track, and then the right parallel track

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Speaker 2: is those of us that watch that love the NBA

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Speaker 2: can acknowledge regular season doesn't really matter. It's one of

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Speaker 2: eighty two. Playoffs are a completely different sport. I just

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Speaker 2: did the numbers on the show today on Breakfast Ball.

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Speaker 2: There are five more threes being attempted this year than

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Speaker 2: more blowouts, results that have been decided by twenty or

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Speaker 2: Why are those two things necessarily a conflict?

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Speaker 1: Listen, there are a lot of things. Steve Kerr pointed

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Speaker 1: European system is much better. That's part of it. I

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Speaker 1: college football is free marketing. I've said this before, like

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Speaker 1: waters free medicine, college football is free marketing. For the NFL,

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Speaker 1: Adam Silver got into office and there was almost they

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Speaker 1: tried to marginalize college basketball. The players weren't getting paid.

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Speaker 1: College football players pay for three or four years and

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Speaker 1: they get tackled. It's okay, like that's I don't pay

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Speaker 1: I do think that will help the NBA, don't. I

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Speaker 1: think the NBA the quality of basketball is good. I

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Speaker 1: think NBC, probably out of somewhat desperation, overshot the runway

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Speaker 1: I do think college basketball is an ally march madness.

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Speaker 2: Right. I think you and I talk baseball before on

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Speaker 2: the smartest sports executive I've ever talked to, for sure,

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Speaker 2: But Brad Stevens would be a close second. And Brad

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Speaker 2: But I do think that there would be something that

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Speaker 2: So strikeouts were okay. If you got a lot of

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Speaker 2: the things that he had. And if he gets a

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Speaker 1: Fact that what's the mascinating to me, and I've always

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Speaker 2: we're gonna empower players to have a voice in it

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Speaker 1: One of the things I like about change is you

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Speaker 1: if I'm Fox, I do not care about Kansas City.

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Speaker 2: one thing. The number one thing is probably what you said,

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Speaker 2: eighteen game season. Every game matters that's probably the biggest thing.

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Speaker 2: to seven, Like, yeah, baseball is not like baseball has

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Speaker 2: if you're Pittsburgh, okay, you got Paul Skeins, your chances

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Speaker 2: a good organization, maybe the best organization. But it's just

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Speaker 1: And there are moments like, for instance, I think you

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Speaker 2: Four minutes, right, like, you know, no doubt, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: I think the reality of sports is we spend I

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Speaker 2: Yes, the problem is, unfortunately we used to call them

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Speaker 2: rich hobbyists. Like the dream is that the team that

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Speaker 2: He's like, I've got more billions than I can count.

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Speaker 2: I do not care if I lose money on this

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Speaker 2: baseball team. This is an ego play, This is a

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Speaker 2: I want to own one, and I want to win.

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Speaker 2: That's the great gatest thing ever for a fan. So

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Speaker 2: like reinvesting into the business, break even and having your

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Speaker 2: franchise value go up. That's at a minimum, what should

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Speaker 1: Spend the money that is generated by that's the bigger issue.

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's a huge issue. There are bad there.

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Speaker 1: time to the people critical the Dodgers. Everybody can do

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Speaker 1: what they're doing with that money. Everybody can push it

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Speaker 1: down the road. I mean, it's not like the Yankees

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Speaker 1: The Dodgers are saying, basically, we'll push it down the road.

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Speaker 1: We'll give you the money. By the way, we'll do

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Speaker 1: We're always going to fill this stadium. So I guess,

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Speaker 1: it is like, you just have to come to terms

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Speaker 1: with it. Where this is not Evergreen State College, you know,

431
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: where it's the whimsical, idealistic professors dot the campus. We're

432
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 1: dealing with billionaires, and so some of them just have

433
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: bigger egos and care more, and some of them are like,

434
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: it's a toy. It's a toy to you know, at

435
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: a convention they can brag. And so I've come to

436
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Speaker 1: terms with and maybe it's because I grew up in

437
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest, where I've lost my NBA team, my

438
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: baseball team never competitive, and the Huskies are good when

439
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: they have the perfect coach. I've just come to terms with,

440
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: you have to be satisfied if you can, if you

441
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: have good coaching, decent ownership, and you're viable, that may

442
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: be as good as it's going to be. Because a third, no,

443
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: a quarter of all these pro leagues have expanded to

444
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 1: cities that can't compete. Memphis can't compete with La Boston

445
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: or New York or Philly. They can't and everybody in

446
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 1: the league knows it. But those owners wanted the expansion fee.

447
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 2: There's there's definitely some truth to that. And to win

448
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 2: in a market like that, it feels like yes to

449
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: have White And it's one the year to draft Giannis.

450
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: You have to draft Yannis at fifty, you know, it's like,

451
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: oh yeah, tow Milwaukee got their title you drafted Gannis

452
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: at fifteen, okay, congratulations, or Oklahoma City and have the

453
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Speaker 2: best executive in the sport who, for some reason apparently

454
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: is just not interested in leaving, like SAA Brest. He's like, no, no,

455
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'll just I'll just live and work in

456
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City. When any team in the league if he

457
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: was like, I want to come work for you would

458
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: give him a gazillion dollars and a penthouse apartment because

459
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 2: he's clearly the best, and he's like, no, no, no, I'm

460
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: good here. Like so, like, Oklahoma City's got a shot

461
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: as long as they've got that guy. But yes, most

462
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: teams have a real equity.

463
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Speaker 1: What are the things I think being an NBA executive,

464
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: So a lot of my contacts are NFL gms and

465
00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 1: scouting directors, and so I don't think people understand. You know, SGA,

466
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: nobody predicted this. Sorry, nobody did. Right, he was a

467
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: good player, but correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't people

468
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: think like Kevin Knox was going to be the better NBA.

469
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, SGA. SGA was a very polarizing draft prospect. Well

470
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: it's a real bad SGA.

471
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Speaker 1: But what's amazing about NBA executives is that, you know,

472
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: college football executive. If you take out like Ohio State, Bama, Georgia,

473
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: most kids stay in school for four years. I get

474
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: so many pieces of game footage in big games. If

475
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: you can't, I mean, if you're take out the COVID

476
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: quarterback year where it just screwed up everything. I mean, seriously,

477
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: just take the Trey Lance, Justin Field's kid for the Jets. Yeah,

478
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: just take that. We were all exact well. I mean

479
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: I remember that year, like Harbaugh basically shut down Michigan football.

480
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: They were just egregiously bad. Belichick said, screw this, I

481
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: don't care. Take that out. They hit rate on quarterbacks

482
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: has gone up noticeably over the last six or seven years.

483
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: And that's the hardest position for me because so much

484
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: of its soul and toughness and leadership and intangible stuff.

485
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: It's hard to quantify. But these NBA execs, I mean,

486
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: you're going off You're going off nothing. I mean, you

487
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: can't do high school. You get basically you not only

488
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: get like one year of college often, but the first

489
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: twelve games are against like directional schools. You may in

490
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: your conference, he may only face one other NBA power

491
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: forward the whole year and oh yeah, he's nineteen. Some

492
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: players aren't emotionally equipped at that point. I'm amazed at

493
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: the hit rate in the NBA draft, which isn't very high.

494
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the things that we just

495
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: don't understand. Like what if you said, what's the hardest

496
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: thing to do for any executive in any sport? NBA

497
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: general managers are drafting eighteen and nineteen year olds. You

498
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: ever thought about that?

499
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's crazy. It's I think that it.

500
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: What it is is that there is something to watching

501
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: ten guys on a basketball floor that isn't that overwhelming.

502
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: Like you and I can go to a game, a

503
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: high school game. There can be an NBA prospect at

504
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: the high school game and within what do you think

505
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: ninety seconds, Well, you know who it is. I do

506
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: think that there is that's one thing to the because

507
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: there because there are so many people play basketball and

508
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: so few play in the NBA, and then even the

509
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: guys that are in the NBA, obviously there are guys

510
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: that you ride the bench like. To be a standout

511
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: basketball player, you have to be so unbelievably good. And

512
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm in football it's like, oh, is that receiver the

513
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: best deep ball receiver? But his offensive line sucked so

514
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: his quarterback never had time for the deep ball routes

515
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 2: to develop or did the quarterback not have an arm

516
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: to get it to him? Like for the receiver to

517
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: produce on the deep ball, the line has to do

518
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: its job, the quarterback has to do its job. Like

519
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: a lot of things have to happen. It's it's very

520
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: difficult to isolate and evaluate the individual performance within the

521
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 2: concept of a team game. In basketball, it's not that

522
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: difficult to be like, oh, that's the best athlete, that's

523
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: the best shooter, and then obviously you start separating degrees.

524
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: But I think, I think that that is a part

525
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: of basketball that is just inherently.

526
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Speaker 1: Like one of these music shows. I'm not a music exact,

527
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: but I can tell like three notes in with Carrie Underwood,

528
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yeah you could. That's on a label

529
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: that you you.

530
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Speaker 2: Sell that right, right, there's so I think so I

531
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: think that there is. And by the way, also, what

532
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: two rounds of an NBA draft thirty teams, sixty picks

533
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: and like fifteen per draft really do make it? Like

534
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: the NBA draft is ridiculous. Like it's like we're drafting

535
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: an international guy where it's a draft in stash for

536
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: contract rights in twenty thirty two, Like it's it's like

537
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: like like what is happening? Like, but it's like there's

538
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: all there aren't There are not enough good players because

539
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: it is so hard to be as good as these

540
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: NBA guys that you do really get to the point

541
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: where you're drafting this fact, which is why, by the way, though,

542
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 2: that a guy like Presty is truly amazing, like to

543
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: be able to differentiate at that level and has hit

544
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: after hit after hit, hit after it. Even if they

545
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: were top five picks, it is he still picked the

546
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: I mean, he still drafted James Harden, but a lot

547
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: of teams didn't. He still drafted Russell Westbrook teams didn't.

548
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: He still took SGA teams didn't. Like there's a team

549
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: out there that took Markel Foltz over Jason Tatum with

550
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like, so even at the

551
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: very top of the draft, teams do still mess up.

552
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 2: So they deserve credit when they consistently get it right.

553
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: But I think that that is the thing about basketball,

554
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: is that there is just a there's an inherent he's

555
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: faster than everybody, jump higher.

556
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: Than Yeah, I saw exact Lavine when he was at

557
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: Ballard High School in Washington State. It's always really like

558
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: his sophomore or junior tape, somebody said there's this kid

559
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: in Ballard. You know, I'm from the state of Washington.

560
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: So although so I went on like YouTube or something,

561
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, holy shit, this is this guy can

562
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: hit threes. I mean just insane hops just didn't even

563
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: make you know, like thirty eight inch vertical as sixteen

564
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: seventeen year old. But I think the harder part and

565
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: you really never know this, and I mean you wouldn't

566
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: know this unless you room with somebody in college. You

567
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: don't know the personality. I don't think Zach Lavine necessarily

568
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: wins games. I think a possession by possession late in

569
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: game sequence. He does things that drive me nuts. But

570
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Speaker 1: he's also productive. I think that's something that not even

571
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: Sam Presty knows is does that talent manifest itself into

572
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: being a great teammate, working hard, being great in circumstantial

573
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: basketball Like that's for SGA is just a bucket, like

574
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:40,239
Speaker 1: it's just whatever it is. His temperature lowers, like his

575
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: heartbeat lowers, he's better. Whereas there are guys out there.

576
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: Westbrook's a classic example you have to draft him. He's

577
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: just too talented. I'm not sure he's a winning player,

578
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: but he is an audaciously gifted player. That's some of

579
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: that I think comes down to luck. Like there's certain

580
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, it was obvious, like Kobe Bryant apparently had

581
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: the best workout Jerry west had ever seen. Jason Tatum

582
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: was another kid that very early on, he was way

583
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: more mature than kids his age. Everybody was like, he

584
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: just felt like a thirty two year old man when

585
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: he was like nineteen, a duke. But I do think

586
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of these kids that you you know,

587
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: Jalen Green, I watched him when he came in to Houston.

588
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: The first year, I'm like, yeah, he's talented, but he

589
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: doesn't even understand how to play basketball. And then the

590
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: second year You're like, oh, okay, that part. I think

591
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: it takes great coaching, good jamming. That's where a good

592
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: organization can help a guy.

593
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: No doubt. And so like just I'll just use the

594
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: Chicago example, Like, so DeMar DeRozan is you know, a

595
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: chip off the Kobe Bryant block, these legendary workouts, it's

596
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 2: great leader, took guys under his wing, all that stuff.

597
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: The Bulls drafted this kid, Patrick Williams out of Florida

598
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: State with the fourth overall pick. Crazy talented, athletic three

599
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 2: and D style wing, has all the god given ability

600
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: in the world. And there was this big story like, man,

601
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: this guy just floats and he's kind of aloof and

602
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: like he doesn't assert himself. So Damar was like, I'm

603
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: gonna take him under my wing. I'm bringing him out

604
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: to California for an offseason. He's doing my three workouts

605
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: a day. He's going through like Damar boot camp, and

606
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: he's gonna come back a changed guy. And apparently he went,

607
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 2: he did the workouts, and he came back and he

608
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: was the same guy. Well he's just like it just

609
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: he's not an assertive guy. But he's so down he

610
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: got he signed a ninety million dollar contract. Patrick Williams

611
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: will probably make two hundred million dollars playing basketball and

612
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: never really make an impact or be dominant in any way. Failure,

613
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. He made two hundred'll make two hundred

614
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: million dollars, but you don't have it. You don't have

615
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: that dog thing. Zach Levine unbelievably efficient offensive basketball player.

616
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: He was an eighteen year old kid in Minnesota with

617
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: nobody to like teach him how to be pro, and

618
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: then he went to Chicago where there was no one

619
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: to really teach him how to be a pro. And

620
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: he's like, I don't know. I'm making hundreds of millions

621
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Speaker 2: of dollars. I signed the Supermax, I've won the dunk Contest,

622
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: I've been in the three point kind of this, but

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00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: I've got a thirty million dollar house in LA Like,

624
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: White's pretty good, right if you're Zach lavive, Like, how

625
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: much does he really need to change? Because he's not

626
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant. You know, I think that there is just

627
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: something too these guys have. There's a there's a little

628
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: they're all crazy talented, they all make an insane amount

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00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: of money, and then there's just that like psychotic gene

630
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: that they don't all possess. And some organizations can scout

631
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: it and some organizations can cultivate it, but most can't.

632
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 2: And so that's the difference between the best and the

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00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 2: other ones.

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Speaker 1: just the right amount of heat. I use it on

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Speaker 1: my eggs, I put it on my sandwiches, I put

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Speaker 1: it on my pizzas. I love that Danny wants to

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Speaker 1: talk about this, so I want to bring it up.

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Speaker 1: So about a month ago I read the New Yorker

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Speaker 1: and about one out of every three or four articles

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Speaker 1: just sticks with me. Yes, it's very left leaning, blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah whatever. It's just some of the best magazine

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Speaker 1: writing ever. And so they have a Lorne Michael's article

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Speaker 1: about those last month of the month before. It was fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So as a kid who grew up on Saturday night,

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Speaker 1: was it was just just I engulfed myself to it.

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Speaker 1: It takes about an hour to get through, but it

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Speaker 1: is just a great read with a glass of bourbon

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Speaker 1: next to a fireplace and is taking you to John

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Speaker 1: Belushi and the Betty Murphy's and dan Aykroyd's Chevy Chase.

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Speaker 1: So they did their fiftieth and again I did.

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Speaker 2: Not see it.

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Speaker 1: I'll probably do some youtubing again on the internet. Tom

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Speaker 1: Hanks got kind of, you know, hammered because apparently he

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Speaker 1: did some maga thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: What was your interpretation of it.

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Speaker 2: So I loved it, and I was never so I'm

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Speaker 2: kind of obsessed with comedy, and I was actually never

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Speaker 2: like lock in and watch out you every week guy.

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Speaker 2: But I got a few thoughts on this. Anyone who

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Speaker 2: is complaining about that show or criticizing that show, it

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Speaker 2: strikes me as like so so clueless and devoid of

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Speaker 2: understanding of the entertainment business on any molecular level that

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Speaker 2: you should have your rights to criticize and have opinions

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Speaker 2: on things stripped from you. It was a remarkable accomplishment,

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Speaker 2: just the sheer amount of talent in the room trying

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Speaker 2: stuff people like, oh, that wasn't a funny sketch, it's

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Speaker 2: sketch comedy. It's live sketch comedy. Like bands get to

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Speaker 2: rehearse songs and then perform them. Stand up comedians get

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Speaker 2: to rehearse material and then perform it. This is you

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Speaker 2: get one shot to do it live. So they're not

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Speaker 2: all going to be home runs, they're not all going

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Speaker 2: to be the iconic bits. So anybody whoever is like

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Speaker 2: that was a bad episode or that was a bad sketch,

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Speaker 2: you are inherently missing the point. Like it's not about

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent success rate, It's it's about shot attempts.

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Speaker 2: It's about you know, Lord Michael's He's like, the show's

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Speaker 2: never ready, it's just it's eleven thirty. But that's the

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Speaker 2: ethos of the show. So I think that like that,

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Speaker 2: any criticism of it just strikes me as like not

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Speaker 2: understanding what they are attempting to do. And then the cultivation,

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Speaker 2: like we just thought about Sam Presty, Like what is

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Speaker 2: even close in terms of an incubator of talent for

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Speaker 2: second place to SNL Maybe The Daily Show, like their

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Speaker 2: run is pretty remarkable of people that came through under

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Speaker 2: John Stewart, it's pretty incredible. But like the number of

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Speaker 2: people over fifty years that the Shaper Stars, Maggots, mephis

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Speaker 2: stars is Lauren Michaels is like the greatest general manager

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Speaker 2: in the history of general managers. I can't even think

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Speaker 2: of anyone that is even close to him, and that

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Speaker 2: should just carry such reverences. And I know people say

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Speaker 2: Will Ferrell would have been Will Ferrell even without SNL. Fine,

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Speaker 2: maybe the talent was there, but like, would the Blues

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Speaker 2: Brothers have happened? I don't know. They did a sketch

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Speaker 2: Lucy and Ackroy.

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Speaker 1: Chris Rock couldn't get on the air for like three

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Speaker 1: years until he created I think nat X.

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Speaker 4: Like many of the stars, but Larry David, Larry David

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Speaker 4: famously was a writer, couldn't get bits on quit, then

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Speaker 4: goes home, talks to his neighbor Kramer.

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Speaker 2: He's like, just pretend like it never happened. Go in

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Speaker 2: on Monday. He goes in on Monday, pretends like it

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Speaker 2: never happens, gets his job back, still doesn't really get

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Speaker 2: anything up here, leaves the show and creates Seinfeld and

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Speaker 2: writes that bit into Seinfeld, like it is. They have misses.

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Speaker 2: They didn't cast Jim Carrey, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: They have misses, but the sheer volume is incredible, and

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Speaker 2: I just when you watch what Watch the Adam Sandler

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Speaker 2: I did song. It was so good, it was so

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Speaker 2: beautiful and there is something too And this isn't kissing

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Speaker 2: your ass or whatever I guess it is, but like

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Speaker 2: you're kind of like this, Like you are at the

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Speaker 2: top of the mountain. You have success, companies, radio, TV, money,

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Speaker 2: fame and all of it. You could just retire to

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Speaker 2: an island and stop, but you still do two hundred

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Speaker 2: something shows a year and are creative and churning out

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Speaker 2: a bunch of stuff. Adam Sandler is worth a zillion dollars.

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Speaker 2: He's worth a gazillion dollars, and so people are like, oh,

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Speaker 2: he makes dumb movies. He also makes like there's probably

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Speaker 2: no one comedically in my life more influential than Adam Sandler.

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Speaker 2: His comedy albums were unbelievable, and then his first four

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Speaker 2: comedies are Billy Madison, Happy Gilmore, Big Daddy, and I'm

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Speaker 2: Blanking on another absolute Mega one whatever it was, Bob

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Speaker 2: Barker Golfing, Yeah, Happy Gilmore. If I didn't say Happy Gilmore, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Happy Gilmore. He's just it's an unbelievable thing. And I

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Speaker 2: went and saw him do a stand up show eighteen

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Speaker 2: months ago when he sold out the United Center fifteen

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Speaker 2: new songs. They weren't all hits, but like Adam Saylor,

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Speaker 2: that means that that guy is grinding and writing fifteen

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Speaker 2: new songs. He doesn't need to be doing that. And

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Speaker 2: are they all hits? No, But his Chris Farley song

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Speaker 2: is one of the most beautiful comedic things I've seen

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Speaker 2: in the last ten years. His phone Wallet Keys song,

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Speaker 2: You think about it every time you look for your

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Speaker 2: phone wallet and keys. Like that song at SNL fifty

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Speaker 2: is going to resonate. His song that he did for

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Speaker 2: his monologue after getting fired was iconic and has like

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Speaker 2: a gazillion views on YouTube. These guys and women obviously

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Speaker 2: are so one percent of one percent talented and still

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Speaker 2: given that that any criticism and I know I'm rambled,

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Speaker 2: but it just it really bothers me. Instead of just

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Speaker 2: appreciating and marveling the greatness.

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Speaker 1: Remember comedy critics like you appreciate the swings and even

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Speaker 1: the misses. The people criticizing Saturday Night Live are it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of the don't get it crowd or they

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Speaker 1: feel they're being marginalized. Well, and then they ever write

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Speaker 1: to an opinion, But I do think I always think

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Speaker 1: it's the silliest thing when you know, in our business,

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Speaker 1: the media critics, I just don't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: time or patience for listening to a football broadcast and

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Speaker 1: not liking what an announcer says in the third quarter

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Speaker 1: on a fumble. Do you understand how hard it is

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Speaker 1: to say three hundred things each twelve seconds and they

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Speaker 1: all be brilliant. If you can hit eighty percent, you're

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Speaker 1: just you know, Troy Aikman. Troy Aikman hits on seventy

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Speaker 1: eighty percent. That is as good as you can do.

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Speaker 1: And he's been doing it for twenty years. He's great

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Speaker 1: at it, and so it's and I think one of

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Speaker 1: the things about art. People forget this about Marlon Brando.

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Speaker 1: Marlon Brando had a He had like seven legendary movies

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Speaker 1: and all sorts of bombs. That's the spirit of being

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Speaker 1: an artist. One of the I mean, I think most

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Speaker 1: comedians think Norm McDonald is one of the truest, most

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Speaker 1: authentic stand up acts of our lifetime. I mean revered

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Speaker 1: when he passed away, like it really and I think

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Speaker 1: Gary Shandling had that as well. Shandling if you go

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Speaker 1: look at Shann's diary. He had so much self doubt.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes maybe it was self loathing. Whatever it is in

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Speaker 1: therapy forever. And I think the great comedians, I mean

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Speaker 1: Will Ferrell. I've watched five or six of his movies.

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Speaker 1: I think he's probably the most dynamic, even more so

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Speaker 1: than Belushi. I think he's the most dynamic comedic presence

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Speaker 1: on Saturday Night Live. And I think even his stuff

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Speaker 1: like people don't give the hot tub when he's a

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Speaker 1: college professor, it's one of the grossest, cringiest things. And

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Speaker 1: one of my wife and I used to talk in

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Speaker 1: that language for about two years, could not stop laughing.

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Speaker 1: It was so gross and cringey. That doesn't even get

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Speaker 1: talked about. It's Jeopardy. It's the cheerleader. So and I

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Speaker 1: think one of the things what you appreciate about it is,

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Speaker 1: I think what most writers who cover comedy. John mulaney

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Speaker 1: performed at the United Center. I read the next day

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Speaker 1: the newspaper article a little too critical for my taste,

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Speaker 1: but he took you through a journey of what it

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Speaker 1: all meant and the rehab stories. I think comedy critics

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Speaker 1: mostly land on your side, which you you owe it

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Speaker 1: to the industry to take just audacious swings. And I

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Speaker 1: mean Norm MacDonald bombed regularly at the laugh Factory in

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Speaker 1: La Joya. It just all the time, loved it.

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Speaker 2: He loved it and he loved it and that and

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Speaker 2: that's the act of it. And these these people don't

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Speaker 2: need to be doing it, and they but they it's

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Speaker 2: just in their blood. It's just like who they are.

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Speaker 2: They love it.

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Speaker 1: Remember when ESPN came out with ESPN the Phone, George Bodenheimer,

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Speaker 1: and it lost fifty million. And I defended George and

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Speaker 1: I said time out. If it would have hit, it

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Speaker 1: would have been a one hundred billion dollar hit. It

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Speaker 1: was a fifty million dollar loss. That is that's a

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Speaker 1: rounded there. At that time, ESPN was making eight point

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Speaker 1: five billion annually. When you're an industry leader, when you're

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Speaker 1: Will Ferrell or Jim Carrey in his prime, you owe

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Speaker 1: it almost not just to yourself, to the industry to

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Speaker 1: take big ethan swings.

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Speaker 2: Amen. Amen. And so I I just I'm not I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying that there should be no consequences or that

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Speaker 2: there are. I don't have my preferences or the bits

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Speaker 2: don't miss or whatever like and like you said, everyone

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Speaker 2: has a right to an opinion, but I just don't

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Speaker 2: know how you could watch a three hour show that

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Speaker 2: opens with Sabrina Carpenter and Paul Simon like bridging that

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Speaker 2: level of time, and then goes into Steve Martin and

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Speaker 2: John Mulaney doing a co model, then having Bill Murray

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Speaker 2: sit at the weekend update desk and have Jerry Seinfeld

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Speaker 2: and Julia Louis Dreyfus in the crowd with Larry David,

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Speaker 2: and then watching Eddie Murphy do Tracy Morgan next to

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Speaker 2: Tracy Morgan. It is so goddamn funny, and then just

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Speaker 2: be like sitting there on your couch being like not

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Speaker 2: good enough. It's just insane. It's an insane opinion to have,

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Speaker 2: And I just I just they should be revered, it

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Speaker 2: should be revied, and I know it is, so I'm

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Speaker 2: this isn't like some sort of like wild stance that

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Speaker 2: I'm taking, but there's just nothing else like it. And

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Speaker 2: the the sheer volume of swings. It almost doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: how many hits or misses they have, it's just the vine.

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Speaker 2: I think I think.

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Speaker 1: Artists are different than us. I think they have different

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Speaker 1: brain types than accountants. I don't want my I don't

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Speaker 1: want my accountant taking LSD. I understand that may be

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Speaker 1: part of ayahuasca is absolutely part of Judd Apatow's voyage. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 2: Neil Brennan, co creator of Chappelle's show. Absolutely, I mean

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Speaker 2: you talked about ayahuasca all the time. Three mics, unbelievably

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Speaker 2: brilliant special blocks, incredible follow up special like, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 2: glad that that guy does hallucindogenic drugs. Yeah, I'm really glad.

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Speaker 2: Like it's it's led to some pretty incredible comedic discoveries

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Speaker 2: and break.

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Speaker 1: Through what I think I almost I wish people could

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Speaker 1: appreciate people this idea of perfection. I was doing a

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Speaker 1: podcast the other day for a friend and he asked

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Speaker 1: me about my show, and I said, you know, I said,

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Speaker 1: my goal isn't perfection, it's perspective. I'm not looking to

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Speaker 1: be perfect. I'm taking swings. I think I just owe

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Speaker 1: it to the audience to be entertaining. And have you

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Speaker 1: know Aaron Rodgers is going to the Rams and Stafford's

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00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: going to the Giants, and I think this is better

854
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: than a fifty to fifty shot. If you and I

855
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: talked about that at the bar, people would lean in like, really,

856
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: that's fascinating, that's interesting. And so I think, and maybe

857
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: this has happened my entire life, or maybe I just

858
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 1: hope that artists aren't dissuaded from doing great work because

859
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: the criticism now is so urgent, it's so vile, and

860
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 1: it's so accessible, and it's like, folks, you don't understand.

861
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: Like I went and watched John mullenny in Chicago, Sebastian Manakowsko,

862
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: those nights are one offs. I mean, my wife bought

863
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: me seats to John Mullaney. I will remember that until

864
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: I die. It was that that due to the show,

865
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: and don't dissuade artists from taking swings. I think that

866
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: this goes back to the very the very point is,

867
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, I wish Jim Carrey would do more. I

868
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: wish he wasn't so reclusive. I wish he would do more.

869
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: Of course, I mean, in nineteen ninety four, Jim Carrey

870
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: gave us Dumb and Dumber, Ace Ventura and the Mask

871
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: one year it's the most incredible comedic year ever, and

872
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 2: like and he's just like, yeah, I'm gonna do the

873
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: Truman Show. I'm gonna do man in the mood and

874
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: by the way, both yeah, awesome man in the mood.

875
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: If you haven't seen the documentary Jim and Andy or

876
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: whatever whatever the documentary is called about how Jim Carrey

877
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: like immersed himself in becoming Andy Kaufman. That is ninety

878
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: minutes well spent, like talk about creative genius and artists.

879
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, these guys. And by the way, like we were

880
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: talking about the ratings of the NBA, the ratings of

881
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: SNL are still remarkable, like it for Saturday Night that thing.

882
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it yet, maybe they're out. I probably

883
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 2: could have figured it out. My guess is that will

884
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 2: be the most watched thing on American television in twenty

885
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: twenty five. That isn't football, Like some football will beat it,

886
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: But my guess is that SML fifty will outrate any

887
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 2: World Series game, any political speech, any NBA Finals game,

888
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: college football National Championship will beat it. Obviously a bunch

889
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 2: of NFL will beat it. But my guess is that

890
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 2: that rating will be the biggest non football event of

891
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,919
Speaker 2: the year. And for them to still have that kind

892
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 2: of cultural influence fifty years in.

893
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:53,960
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Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, but speaking of artists, I

902
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: think if you took any NFL quarterback and said he

903
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: was more artists, it would be Aaron Rodgers. Aaron's very unique,

904
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: and I tend to believe that people make mistakes, but

905
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: most NFL reporters are very very good, So I'm gonna

906
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trust the NFL reporter who broke this story

907
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: that basically Aaron begged the Jets to keep him. And

908
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think we both acknowledge Aaron smart.

909
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: You know, he's a he's a bright guy, better than

910
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: average intelligence. But he's had two franchise is catch him

911
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: off guard, letting him go. And it's an interesting thing

912
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: with Aaron. Generally, these two things coincide intelligence and self awareness,

913
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: and we think Aaron's smart. And twice he's knocked on

914
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: the door of the franchise and they're like they do

915
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: the Vegas Dealer, Yeah, we're out, and he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

916
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: whoa whoa. What I find interesting about Aaron, if this

917
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: story is true that he begged to stay, is that

918
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't get like, he doesn't get his brand, and

919
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: it's like, Aaron, you're not some dullard, You're not a

920
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: dim bold. You're a lot of work and you're not

921
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 1: nearly as good as you used to be. This, whether

922
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: you're a talk show host or a quarterback, never ends well.

923
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: Are When I read that he was begging to stay

924
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: or he really wanted to stay, part of it to

925
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: me was it's like, Aaron, how do you not get this?

926
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: Does that land anyway for you? So?

927
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: I don't so. Albert Breer then reported that Aaron wanted

928
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: to stay, wanted and indicated that he wants to keep playing,

929
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 2: but that he was not He did not present it

930
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: like that he was begging. Rogers doesn't strike me as

931
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 2: a guy that would get down on one knee and

932
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 2: beg the New York Jets for employment. So I didn't

933
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: buy the behind the paywall New York Post story that

934
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: said it was like a man walking himself to the

935
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: gallows and referencing ayahuasca. It was like very New York posted,

936
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 2: and so I was like, I took it with a

937
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 2: little bit of a grain of salt. What I do

938
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Speaker 2: think is true is that Rogers probably went to that

939
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 2: meeting and stayed at his case. I was heard at

940
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, I played much better at

941
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: the end of the year, and what's your plan? If

942
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: not me, then who? And they probably don't have a

943
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: great answer for that right now. So I bet he

944
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 2: stated his case. I still struggle to find a team

945
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 2: that makes more sense for Rogers than Pittsburgh. People keep

946
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 2: saying Minnesota, aren't they gonna try JJ McCarthy. The are

947
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 2: it traded up in the first round to draft in

948
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 2: And if they think that if they got a great

949
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: season seasons out of Kirk Cousins and then a great

950
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: season out of Sam Darnold, I would have to imagine

951
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: that they think that the guy that they picked they

952
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: can get a great season out of.

953
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: For very g it's time to look at this week's

954
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,600
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955
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: to quickly segue to this. I don't want to spend

956
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: too much time on Aaron. So there was a story

957
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 1: that Jason McIntyre deserves credit. He talked about it like

958
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: four days before anybody else did Stafford to the Giants?

959
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: And I made two calls on it, and it was

960
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: a real thing. It's now Stafford may just want a

961
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: new deal and an influx of money from the Rams.

962
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 1: That's probably it. The idea of going from Stan Kronk

963
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: and Sean McVay and indoor football to the Giants facing

964
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: Philadelphia twice a year and Jaden Daniels does not feel

965
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: appealing to me. Just chaos to non chaos. The Rams

966
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: are a really well run ship. But it was interesting.

967
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: So when I proposed that, it was amazing. And again

968
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: it's fans. So how many people said you cannot give

969
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: up a first round pick for Matt Stafford And I'm like,

970
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: time out, You're definitely it is a week draft. You've

971
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: been unwatchable for a decade, like you're the GM of

972
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: the Giants. I press you into a corner. What would

973
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: you give up for Matt Stafford in a week draft.

974
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would try to make it next

975
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: year's first round pick.

976
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: You got to give up something. I'm not gonna let

977
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: you get away with that. You gotta give me something

978
00:58:59,400 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: this year.

979
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, then I mean I I still think Staffords is

980
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 2: an arguably top five pins in the NFL. I think

981
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 2: there's a big I think there's a big four. And

982
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 2: then like Matt Stafford, everyone was immediately like Jaden Daniels

983
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 2: is the best quarterback in the NFC, and I was like,

984
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I'll still take the thirty

985
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: five year old gum flinger like to win a game tomorrow,

986
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 2: I'll take I'll still take Stafford over Jayden and Daniels,

987
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: though Jayden's amazing. So yeah, I think that if the

988
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 2: Rams were open for business, they would get a first

989
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 2: round pick from miss Stafford, even.

990
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: At his age, even though you'd have to renown me

991
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: do the deal, like it's he's just too damn good

992
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: in a league now it is all about the quarterback.

993
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's the type of thing that you don't

994
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: go into it blind like you'd be His agent would

995
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: be given permission to talk to the team, Hey, are

996
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: you playing? You know you're not retiring next year right now?

997
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: You're playing multiple years? Okay? Cool? Yeah, And as long

998
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: as they have a guarantee that Matt Stafford would sign

999
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: a contract extension, rework the deal to your point, and

1000
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 2: play multiple years, I do think that he would get

1001
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: a first round pick. He's awesome. He's awesome. I don't

1002
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: really get why the Rams would want to be out

1003
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: of the Matt Stafford business though, Like I watched your

1004
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 2: segment so and I personally would put up with his

1005
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: wife saying, goofy things.

1006
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: Well, staff I think what the Rams are looking at

1007
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: some of that public Cooper Cup Stafford, the Rams felt

1008
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:33,959
Speaker 1: a bit belied in social media, the wife, Cooper Cup.

1009
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: It's like, guys, we're really good, we're really good owners.

1010
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: We're good people here. Don't go public. So I think

1011
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: that's part of it. I think the other thing you

1012
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: have to look at is take Stafford out. Who are

1013
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: the pocket quarterbacks that you really think can win a

1014
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: Super Bowl over the next ten years?

1015
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 4: Goff?

1016
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: And that's mostly because the on line really of Detroit,

1017
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: the old line is so suffocating it could move the

1018
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: ball against Philadelphia's D line. The truth is, I think,

1019
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: and they're also looking at we don't Matt wants four years,

1020
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: they'd give him two. So I think it's they want

1021
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford. But I do think rent a quarterback for

1022
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: a year because next year's quarterback class is much better.

1023
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: Is Aaron Rodgers. I think Aaron. If you go to

1024
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: Aaron's last ten games in New York with at that

1025
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: point arguably the worst coaching staff not in Chicago in

1026
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: the league, it was the worst coaching staff, and he

1027
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: put up like really decent numbers the last ten games.

1028
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: My take is with McVeigh, if you could hold those

1029
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: numbers for a year, two year deal, we draft a quarterback.

1030
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: And I also think Aaron has been humbled. I think

1031
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: I think he'd come live in Malibu and be like,

1032
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: this is a gift. I'm taking this gift.

1033
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 2: Oh well, listen. I have no issue with understanding why

1034
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers would want to play in LA For Sean McVay,

1035
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: that's not a that's not a leap. My thing is,

1036
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: if I'm Sean McVay, I think Matt Stafford is better

1037
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: than Aaron. He is at this at this stage. I

1038
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 2: just don't get why the Rams would want to be

1039
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: out of the Stafford business to get into the Rogers business.

1040
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 2: Like if if Matt Stafford forced the trade or retired

1041
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 2: or whatever, then like, okay, we can have that conversation.

1042
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 2: But I just I get to me all these teams

1043
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: that people are throwing out for Rogers, like the Nighters,

1044
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 2: the Vikings, the Rams, is like, yeah, that all sounds

1045
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 2: great for Aaron. I think it's much more likely that

1046
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like Vegas, Tennessee. Nobody like I think

1047
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: that that that's where it's gonna be. Like is he

1048
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 2: gonna just play to play and grind out six wins

1049
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: or I don't. I don't believe that a Super Bowl

1050
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 2: contender is calling Aaron Rodgers. Maybe I'll be proven wrong,

1051
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't believe that a Super Bowl

1052
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: contenders ready for him.

1053
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,120
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1057
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1058
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: something out at you and this I haven't fully baked

1059
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: this idea, but it's just interesting. So I was with

1060
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: my wife for four days an undisclosed location and we

1061
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: were just talking about a bunch of stuff, and I said,

1062
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:28,479
Speaker 1: this was my theory. I said, you know, Americans don't

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Speaker 1: like change. Forty percent of Americans never leave their zip

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Speaker 1: code and they don't like sudden change. I said, so

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01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: what Trump and Musk are doing. It may play well

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01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: to the wealthy, to the status of the top of

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01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: the Republican Party, but for most Americans, they don't like change.

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01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: It's just too much, too soon, too fast. We don't

1069
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: like change. I've moved all over the country. I'm comfortable.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm an outlier. Nobody else in my family

1071
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: likes it. Nobody in my sister's family likes it, or

1072
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: my wife's family likes it. People don't like change. So

1073
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: we're going through a lot of change, and I think

1074
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: eventually you do too much of it, and people it's

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01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: a turn off. But I said, I said, I've been

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01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: watching now for several months, since the inauguration and since

1077
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: the win by Trump, and I said, you would think

1078
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: the Democrats lost by twelve million votes and didn't get

1079
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: a state. But I'll throw a theory at you, I

1080
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: told my wife driving back. I said, on average, usually

1081
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: the Democrats have more women than Republicans, generally, more African Americans,

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01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: more kids who are bullied, more gay, lesbian, more, more

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01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: people that have needed assistance. And I said, those people,

1084
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: when they lose, are more prone to believe the sky

1085
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 1: is falling. I said, when conservative lose, they're like, all right,

1086
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: we just need a better candidate. You know, Let's face it,

1087
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: most of us grew up Conservatives were everybody's rich dad

1088
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: was a conservative, right, That's kind of the way it worked.

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01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: And so I said, I said, if you listen over

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01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: the last two months to Democrats, you would think, forget

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01:05:19,360 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: the electoral College. You would have thought it was Walter Mondale.

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01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: You would think that literally it was a thirteen million

1093
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: vote difference. And I said, because I think Democrats, if

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01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: you look at the base of the Democratic Party, it

1095
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 1: is often people who have had real struggles, not that

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01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: Republicans haven't, but there are women have not been in

1097
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: as much power as men have, minorities have not been

1098
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: in power, and that Democrats are overthinking it. If they

1099
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: got a really dynamic, vibrant candidate in two years, it

1100
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: would change everything, and you'd be like, we are number one,

1101
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: this is the Party of genius, and that people when

1102
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: they lose an election, Democrats when they lose the election

1103
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: are just inherently more negative and neurotic about it than conservatives.

1104
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: I think that that tracks. I know a lot of

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01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 2: Democrats who are pretty neurotic. Yeah, you're talking to one

1106
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, I think that that tracks completely across

1107
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 2: the board. And listen. I don't know. I spend above

1108
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: average amount of time online. I assume this is your

1109
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 2: soft launch for your candidacy, because isn't that you. America

1110
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 2: just needs to know you. You just need to be

1111
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 2: like a rich radical centrist that gives hot sports takes

1112
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,439
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you're in right, let's

1113
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: go forget Steven A. Smith. No, Colin Coward twenty eight

1114
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: bring analogies to the White House.

1115
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: I have no interest in it. But one of the

1116
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 1: reasons I love this podcast is I just throw these

1117
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: half baked ideas out and my wife, I said, Jesus,

1118
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 1: eventually all these changes are going to scare some people off,

1119
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: and they're going to go back to moderates or left.

1120
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: They're just this is too much activity for most Americans.

1121
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: They don't like it. A lot of Americans who are

1122
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: being displaced maybe conservatives, they're not all liberals at US eight.

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01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the story of like I voted for Trump and

1124
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 2: now I lost my job, like no shit, like like

1125
01:07:29,440 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: like like do people like that. I'm not saying like

1126
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 2: you deserved it. That's not my point at all. My

1127
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 2: point was like he doesn't strike me as someone that's

1128
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 2: like doing this with like a fine teeth. Come and

1129
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 2: it's like, like the point is chaos and disruption and

1130
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: throwing so much stuff against the wall that it took

1131
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 2: a moving target And what am I supposed to focus on?

1132
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: And that's the that's the point of it. He's not

1133
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 2: he's not really making a bunch of discernments of like

1134
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: this person in this government agency happened to vote for me.

1135
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 2: Like there's just this story I was first reading that

1136
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: was like they had to undo some firings because there

1137
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 2: was a bunch of people who worked at like a

1138
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 2: nuclear test site. They're like, we can't fire the safety

1139
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 2: guy at the nuclear test Good. I'm glad that you

1140
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 2: caught that one. So so yeah, I'm not I'm not

1141
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: interested in this next wave of stories of like I

1142
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: voted for Donald Trump and then I lost my job.

1143
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: Like he doesn't give a shit. He won, he he won.

1144
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, So just my whole theory is basically Democrats. Yeah,

1145
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: they struggle their their they tend to be introspective, they

1146
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: tend to be a little more insecure. A lot of

1147
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: their life backgrounds they weren't in control. So when you

1148
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: when you lose more control, it is really off putting,

1149
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 1: and it throws you into this dark hole of despair.

1150
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and listen, I mean it's it's talking politics

1151
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 2: is whatever. But I'll do it with you. You brought it up.

1152
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 2: Democrats try to be all things to all people. Got

1153
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: a very wide net, you know what I mean, like

1154
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: like LGBT, minorities, women's rights, all incredibly valuable, worthwhile causes.

1155
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 2: It's a little bit more complicated when there's two teams

1156
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 2: and you're trying to be like the thing to all

1157
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 2: things to all people, and the other side is just like,

1158
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 2: I don't know, let's just bulldoz. Like you know, that's

1159
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: that's like an overly simplistic, reductive way of looking at it.

1160
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, they could probably just be like we

1161
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 2: just need a better candidate and Democrats are like, who

1162
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 2: did we offend? Who's the Joe Rogan of the left,

1163
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 2: and like they're out, should should we have? Should we

1164
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 2: have done? Call her daddy? It's like shut out. Just

1165
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 2: get a better candidate, Get a better candidate.

1166
01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: That is exactly my point. We come all the way around,

1167
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: and that's it. Just get a better candidate and you'll

1168
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: be fine.

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01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and in two years they'll probably run Hillary.

1170
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Speaker 1: Oh Jesus boy, Okay, I want to end it on this.

1171
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: I made I made the argument there are there are

1172
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: two types of artists Gordon Ramsey, jay Z Lebron where

1173
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: there's artistic, interpretational, artistic talent, but they're very good business man.

1174
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: They can compartmentalize. And then there's the artist on the

1175
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: other side, who is just all artists and cancels the

1176
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 1: tour and seu's ticketmaster and is you know it can

1177
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: struggle with bandmates and and then there's you know the

1178
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 1: other side. There's two types of artists, and that Lebron

1179
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 1: is very much in the Gordon Ramsey, jay Z Bono,

1180
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: Mick Jagger. I'm not a businessman. I'm a business man.

1181
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant is sort of the wandering artist independent to

1182
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: a fault. It's not about championships, it's about being the

1183
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: best you and I don't. In a way, I think

1184
01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: he somewhat tanked his career because at thirty there was

1185
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: an argument he was better than Lebron, and now he's

1186
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,679
Speaker 1: viewed as somebody who just can make baskets and that's

1187
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 1: about it. Your thought, where do you? How do you?

1188
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: Because I really love watching KD and I think he's

1189
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,439
Speaker 1: such a unique all time player. I've argued if you

1190
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: did a one on one tournament in league history, I'd

1191
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: take him over Michael. I think he's unstoppable at six

1192
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: to eleven, just literally unstoppable. Michael would miss just one

1193
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 1: if it was make it, take it, Mike would miss once,

1194
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: and d would just keep scoring. How do you view Durant?

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01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Durant is one of the greatest offensive players in

1196
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 2: the history of the sport, like a true basketball genius

1197
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 2: in terms of putting the ball in the in the

1198
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 2: hole right, like that's the objective of the game. There

1199
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 2: are very few people in the history of the sport

1200
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 2: whose offensive arsenal you would take over him. I agree

1201
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 2: with him that two. Much of basketball discourse has become

1202
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 2: rings culture dominant that we talk basketball basically three ways.

1203
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 2: We talk about rings and championships, transactions, trades, free agency,

1204
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 2: guys forcing their way out, the disgruntled superstar, and then

1205
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 2: the social media drama beef stuff. We're not doing a

1206
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 2: lot of like how a team defends the pick and roll, right,

1207
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 2: that's not like a lot of mainstream basketball conversations. So

1208
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: like that media criticism, I think is a valid one,

1209
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 2: and he decries it, but there is also just some

1210
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: truth that not all rings are created equal. That guy

1211
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: didn't have any rings, and then he did a thing

1212
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 2: that is allowed that you could say that we bear

1213
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 2: some responsibility for because we said, if you don't win

1214
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 2: a ring, you're Charles Barkley or your Dan Marino, and

1215
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 2: we mock you for it, and then we moved the

1216
01:12:58,400 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 2: goalpost on him, and then we mocked them for what

1217
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 2: he did. But joining up with that Warriors team was weak.

1218
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 2: It was just it just flew in the face of competitiveness.

1219
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 2: It goes back to my Dodger's point from earlier. I

1220
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 2: understand why it happens. I get that it's a have

1221
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,640
Speaker 2: and a have not world. It doesn't mean that I

1222
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: have to like it, like Yannis's one in Milwaukee means

1223
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 2: a hell of a lot more than Durant's two in

1224
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 2: Golden State. Sorry, it just does. And so if Durant

1225
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 2: would have won in Oklahoma City, we would look at

1226
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 2: him so different. Even if he just had the one,

1227
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 2: we would look at him as Joker or Yannis, these

1228
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 2: guys that were singular entity forces of nature who didn't

1229
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 2: have the institutional advantage of the historic franchise and the

1230
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 2: warm weather market and the free agent destination and built

1231
01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 2: the team the quote unquote right way, and his legac

1232
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 2: see would be beyond reproach. It would. It'd be perfect

1233
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 2: if he would have won in Oklahoma City. But as

1234
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 2: soon as he went to Golden State and won these

1235
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 2: titles that fell cheap and that they flew in the

1236
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:22,759
Speaker 2: face of competitive spirit pined his legacy. Okay, he would

1237
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 2: hate that phrase, but I can't really have a problem

1238
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 2: with it because it was a it was a move

1239
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 2: that just flew in the face of competitiveness.

1240
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,320
Speaker 1: Okay, but let me throw that did it? Let me

1241
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: be Devil's It didn't feel fair. Let me let me

1242
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: be a Devil's advocate. Does it feel fair? Let's say

1243
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: you're an Ohio sports fan, You're like, man, I that

1244
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: is so weak what Kevin Durant did. And I would

1245
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 1: be like, oh, Caleb Downs and Jeremiah Smith and all

1246
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 1: your great players, don't they go to where they'll have

1247
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 1: a competitive advantage over Purdue, Like no doubt. Nil is

1248
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: not just the money grab for the best players. It's like,

1249
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: I want to go to a team that's already.

1250
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 2: Stacked, no doubt, And I don't have much of an

1251
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 2: argument against it, except in the history of the NBA,

1252
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 2: that's not what we celebrated, like it turned the heat

1253
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 2: into supervillains. And there was a historic pay jump when

1254
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 2: that in that CBA that at that offseason one time,

1255
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: every team in the league could afford a MAX player

1256
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,799
Speaker 2: and he just chose, so say you choose the seventy

1257
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: win team, like it just it again, This is a reductive.

1258
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: It's just lame. It's just lame.

1259
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 1: I always felt Kevin Durant people preached doing loyalty, and

1260
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: he watched the Sonics moved Oklahoma City, so in the

1261
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: back so in the back of his mind was and

1262
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: it's this is all about the green. And then when

1263
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook would eat up the shot clock and get

1264
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,560
Speaker 1: him the ball late. He and the and the organization.

1265
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:17,719
Speaker 1: Actually Westbrook was, you know, the better athlete. They worked

1266
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 1: in a bail on Westbrook, and I think some of it.

1267
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: I defend Kevin because I think he went Okay, I

1268
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: got drafted by Seattle. Now I'm playing in Oklahoma City

1269
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: and you you you have a point guard who can't

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01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: get me the ball until the end of the shot clock.

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01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: And so if I'm gonna move, I'm not moving to

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01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,519
Speaker 1: a crappy team and a crappy city. I'm going to

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01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: the Bay Joe lacub and Steph Curry.

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01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I I get it. And the team was

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01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 2: an unfair cheat code and he won and he got

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01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 2: his rings. But it would have meant more if he

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01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 2: would have won in Brooklyn or Phoenix or Oklahoma City.

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01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 2: I don't I don't make the rules. I just didn't fortunate, man.

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01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 2: Do I mean? Right? Every title is not the same.

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01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:05,719
Speaker 1: You agree with that, Yeah, I mean the Lakers COVID

1281
01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 1: title doesn't feel like the Celtics last year.

1282
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. But also like I just in terms of Yannis's

1283
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 2: Milwaukee title, is a call it this called again immature.

1284
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 2: That is a pure title drafted by the team fifteenth overall.

1285
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 2: Chris Middleton is the running mate, and he has one

1286
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 2: of the three greatest game seven you know, cheery Championship

1287
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 2: closeout performances ever in NBA history, where he drops fifty

1288
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 2: and he wins a title. That one thing is more

1289
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 2: sports pure than Lebron in the Heat. Doesn't mean Lebron

1290
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: in the Heat isn't a better team, doesn't mean it

1291
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: wasn't more exciting, doesn't mean it wasn't better business, doesn't

1292
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: mean I would not want to go to South Beach

1293
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: and play with my friends. But like Yannis's title in Milwaukee,

1294
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 2: is just it's special. It just means a little bit

1295
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 2: more in history, jokers in Denver, it just means a

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01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 2: little bit more.

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Speaker 1: That's fair.

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01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 2: I just it just I just I think we all

1299
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 2: kind of know that. We just you know, we don't

1300
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 2: we don't like to admit it. It doesn't feel.

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01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 1: Fair, that's why.

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01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 2: But we all I think, but we just we just

1303
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 2: we just know it to be true.

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01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's the Knicks one being able to

1305
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 1: make a deal and really steal Jalen Brunson. It is

1306
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: to make a deal, a risky deal to get Karl

1307
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:42,559
Speaker 1: Anthony Towns and then McHale bridges and give up a lot.

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01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 1: I do think like the Knicks title would. I don't

1309
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: think they match up well with Boston at all. Boston

1310
01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 1: offensively just attacks Carl Anthony Towns and Brunson. But I

1311
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: think one of the reasons that the Knicks are so

1312
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: likable is that you know, Carl Anthony Towns has had

1313
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 1: a lot of failures and Jalen Brunts it's a nova guy,

1314
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: a second rounder there. I think there is value too.

1315
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: There are certain teams that are much easier to root for,

1316
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: and I don't think the Heatls or most Laker teams

1317
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: are terribly easy to root for.

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01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 2: Lebron's Cleveland title means more than his LA title or

1319
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: his Miami titles. Clear we all we all know that.

1320
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 2: We all just know that to be true, and there's

1321
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: a reason for it. Hometown kid. He was an underdog

1322
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 2: in the finals, led both teams and all fives. That

1323
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the greatest NBA Finals performance ever. Like

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01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 2: that that is that is you could I would make

1325
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 2: the argument that that is the most impressive NBA title ever,

1326
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 2: the one that Lebron won in Cleveland over.

1327
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: Golden's funny thing about, like there's a funny thing.

1328
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: There is a ranking.

1329
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: The funny thing about that final. The six of those

1330
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: games were blowoups, and then game seven was magical.

1331
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: Like Game seven was mad.

1332
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: It's like it's like an average movie with a great

1333
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: twelve minutes to cap it off.

1334
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 2: No doubt, but the accomplishment was amazing. Like what the

1335
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 2: trophy represented was like, holy shit, Like he went home,

1336
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,160
Speaker 2: he won, He won as an underdog, he beat the

1337
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 2: super team, he led in all five categories the game.

1338
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 2: It was unbelievable. It's one of the greatest things I've

1339
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 2: ever seen in sports.

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01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: Danny Parkins breakfast Ball. We fired through an hour, our

1341
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: hour fifteen. We gave you a little bit of everything.

1342
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: We kind of go all over the board. But I

1343
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: sometimes I just need the therapeutic.

1344
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 2: I love it. I love talking with you, I love

1345
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: picking your brain. Good stuff, man.

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Speaker 1: The volume