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Speaker 1: At this hour. Playoff outrage, well sort of. The Playoff

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Speaker 1: Committee dropped its latest set of rankings on Tuesday evening,

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Speaker 1: which raised some eyebrows, and in the bigger picture, the

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Speaker 1: NCAA released a draft of a new constitution. What does

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Speaker 1: it all mean? Let's ask our guest of honor. His

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Speaker 1: name is Ari Wasserman. He is the affable national college

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Speaker 1: football reporter for The Athletic. You can also hear him

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Speaker 1: on The Andy Staples Show last week when seven and

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Speaker 1: two in picking college football games. Ari Wasserman, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: To the show.

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Speaker 1: I wonder, compared to some of the other things that

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Speaker 1: ten rank for you? Personally?

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Speaker 3: That was really good. But the best thing was actual

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Speaker 3: real life money in gaming North Carolina at six to

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Speaker 3: one odds to win the Wake Forest game when they

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Speaker 1: The third quarter, you got one on that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean because there was nobody was stopping anybody,

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Speaker 2: Depending on what you bet, that might take care of

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Speaker 2: half of your wedding cake.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was enough for it to be good,

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Speaker 3: Who a friend of mine spent twenty five hundred dollars

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Speaker 3: were talking to me earlier about bands. Those are ten grand,

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Speaker 3: So like what I should have uped if I knew

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Speaker 3: the result, it would have been more money, yes, but

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Speaker 2: Important bites of wedding eating.

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Speaker 3: Are the cake? Why are they twenty five hundred dollars?

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Speaker 3: Just let's go get a few dilly bars, stick a

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Speaker 2: Had a donut wall I had a dout like that.

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Speaker 2: You're preaching to the choir, singing to the choir, whatever

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let me tell you, I'm really impressed by

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Speaker 3: know that I missed the I don't know if we

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Speaker 3: grab ass.

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Speaker 2: All right, it's the headline month.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it, ty being so, you did so

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Speaker 1: But that being said, if you look at the strength

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Speaker 3: But it's a hard schedule. I think it's a hard schedule.

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Speaker 2: There's no like guppies on this schedule. Even like USC's down,

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Speaker 3: Possible schedule that you can have, because you're playing against

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's overthinking it, right, it's overthinking it completely.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is, though Michigan State gets to feel disrespected,

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to promote my own work here and

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Speaker 2: but they're not opinion people and they're not descriptive people,

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Speaker 2: and they're not personality people, and it makes the product worse.

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Speaker 3: So this year, you know, every year, I don't know

438
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Speaker 3: if you guys know this, but they do a mock

439
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 3: committee in Grapevine, Texas. And I got invited to do

440
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Speaker 3: it this year, and the year they did it, or

441
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,919
Speaker 3: the day that they did it this year, was the

442
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Speaker 3: day my baby was born. And like I've been wanting

443
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 3: to do this for seven years now because like I

444
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 3: feel like in that room I would be just as

445
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Speaker 3: animated as I am on the show with you right now.

446
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Speaker 2: And you don't regret missing your baby's birth.

447
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Speaker 3: I wish I could have gone. I'm gonna go next year,

448
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Speaker 3: but like I feel like i'd be like, well, who

449
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 3: do you think is Everyone's like, why is Alabama number two?

450
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Speaker 3: They haven't beaten anybody, They lost to A and M

451
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 3: on the road, and like they don't have any reason

452
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Speaker 3: for being number two. And it's like that's probably true,

453
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 3: but like everybody knows in their heart that Alabama's the

454
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Speaker 3: second best team in college football because they're freaking Alabama

455
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 3: and they do it every year. They've got more draft

456
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Speaker 3: picks than any other team in the country besides Ohios,

457
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Speaker 3: Date and Georgia. And they aren't going to lose to

458
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Speaker 3: Michigan State or Michigan or any of the other teams

459
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Speaker 3: that you think deserve to be up there. So just

460
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Speaker 3: say it. Alabama has deserved the benefit of the doubt

461
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Speaker 3: because they've got the greatest coach of all time, they're

462
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Speaker 3: built like an NFL team, and they're probably going to kick

463
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Speaker 3: your favorite teams ass.

464
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Speaker 2: What has been your I don't know, have you looked

465
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Speaker 2: at the season having a theme? Is there any sort

466
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Speaker 2: of overriding through line that you see with the season.

467
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Speaker 2: And we've talked about it a bunch of like, hey,

468
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Speaker 2: there aren't a lot of killer offenses and quarterbacks right

469
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Speaker 2: like you look at the top of the sport, it's backups,

470
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Speaker 2: it's teams led by defense, it's disappointing offenses that we're

471
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Speaker 2: expected to be better. Obviously, the Clemson thing has been

472
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Speaker 2: the biggest highlight of that idea and just having I

473
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Speaker 2: think it actually I looked at this in points per Drive,

474
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Speaker 2: Clemson is the worst scoring offense in the ACC. Is

475
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Speaker 2: there is that a thing to you or is it

476
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Speaker 2: just like a cyclical element to the season. What stands

477
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Speaker 2: out to you as like, here's what the twenty twenty

478
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Speaker 2: one season is defined by.

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Speaker 3: That's an interesting question, and I don't know if this

480
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Speaker 3: is a good answer, but I'm gonna say it. I

481
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,800
Speaker 3: feel like you have Georgia and then you have ten

482
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Speaker 3: teams in the middle there that are all the same,

483
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Speaker 3: or like even if you do even if you like

484
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Speaker 3: you put a few at two and three, I think

485
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Speaker 3: teams four through nine are like the same, Like at

486
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Speaker 3: the time when the Big Ten had five teams in

487
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Speaker 3: the top eleven, and it's like we have to try

488
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Speaker 3: to distinguish between Iowa, Michigan State, Michigan and Penn State,

489
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Speaker 3: and it's like, actually, they're all the same. And it's like,

490
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Speaker 3: is Oklahoma that much better or even better at all

491
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Speaker 3: than Notre Dame. Is Notre Dame absolutely better than Michigan?

492
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Speaker 3: Is Cincinnati one hundred percent better than Oklahoma? Is Oklahoma

493
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Speaker 3: that much better? By the way, That's another play of

494
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Speaker 3: mine this weekend. I'm taking five and a half Baylor

495
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Speaker 3: points at home against Oklahoma because if the team shows

496
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Speaker 3: you tries to tell you who they are, I think

497
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Speaker 3: at a certain point time to believe them. It's just

498
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Speaker 3: like it's just one really great team. Like when's the

499
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Speaker 3: last time in a college football season on November eleventh

500
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Speaker 3: that everybody was basically certain who was going to win

501
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Speaker 3: the national title? And it's like, if Georgia doesn't win

502
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Speaker 3: the national championship this year, that'll be the biggest Georgia

503
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Speaker 3: move of all time.

504
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Speaker 1: Let's stop there. Are you that certain in Georgia?

505
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Speaker 3: I am? Yeah. Their defense is insanely good, and I

506
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 3: think that their offense is better than people give a

507
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Speaker 3: credit for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, their offense is really good. They the problem with

509
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Speaker 2: their offense is it's really good. But I worry a

510
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: little bit. Like sometimes you watch Stetson Benn and you're like, oh,

511
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: that's a pretty good quarterback. But like Stetson Bennett against

512
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Speaker 2: Nick Saban with a month, Like that's that to me

513
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Speaker 2: is the issue where like I think you can beat

514
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Speaker 2: Georgia seventeen or thirteen with a month to prepare, if

515
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Speaker 2: I think that's an RP. So what I come down

516
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Speaker 2: to and alluded to this and made reference whore Like

517
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Speaker 2: if I were to say this team's offense is I

518
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Speaker 2: don't know, they're weirdly not where they should be. That's

519
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Speaker 2: describing teams like two through twenty, is it not?

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Speaker 3: I agree?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Like even Ohio State's offense like it's weirdly not

522
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Speaker 2: where it should be. Right when you watch them week

523
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Speaker 2: to week, you're like, ah, they make you know, Ryan

524
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Speaker 2: Dakeetz little too conservative, weirdly and like CJ. Stroud just

525
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Speaker 2: he'll make like four great throws in a row and

526
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Speaker 2: then three duds and like rolls into the pass runs

527
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Speaker 2: like want to grab the coach's head and go what

528
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Speaker 2: is wrong here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like that, you look at Oregon, you look

531
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Speaker 2: at Oklahoma, you look at Notre Dame, you look all

532
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Speaker 2: these teams. You look at I mean at least A

533
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Speaker 2: and M has an excuse. I guess it's their backup quarterback.

534
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Speaker 2: But you're like, huh, this offense is like seventy one

535
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Speaker 2: percent as good as it should be.

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Speaker 3: I think that's probably a more haft way of saying

537
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Speaker 3: what I said. I the thing that I would do,

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Speaker 3: I guess if I were on the committee, and I

539
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Speaker 3: guess people who know anything about me know that, Like,

540
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Speaker 3: I would lean heavily on how these teams are built,

541
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Speaker 3: because I think that matters. But like, of the twelve

542
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Speaker 3: teams going all the way down to thirteen Baylor, which

543
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Speaker 3: teams in your heart would you pick that would be

544
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Speaker 3: most likely to beat Georgia this year? And it's like,

545
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Speaker 3: if you pick those teams, mine would be the obvious

546
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Speaker 3: ones that you would pick, oh h and Alabama because

547
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Speaker 3: they're similarly built. That's how I would try to rank them.

548
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Speaker 3: But that's not fair. So it's just like this like

549
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Speaker 3: weird dynamic between deserving and best, Like who do you

550
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Speaker 3: think in your heart is the best? Who in your

551
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Speaker 3: heart do you think is most deserving. It's like Oregon

552
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: is one hundred percent more deserving than Ohio State to go,

553
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Speaker 3: and anybody who debates that is a liar or an

554
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Speaker 3: Ohio State fan. But who do you think is better

555
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Speaker 3: at football this year? As a team?

556
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Speaker 2: I think I actually do think, and I know this

557
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Speaker 2: flies against recent performances. I think Cincinnati is interesting in

558
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Speaker 2: that regard, in that they can beat Georgia thirteen to ten.

559
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Speaker 2: I think they have the defense to right, like they

560
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Speaker 2: keep it close in the Bowl game last year. But

561
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Speaker 2: I think if you are able to run and attack

562
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Speaker 2: an offense and the way that Cincinnati at their best can,

563
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Speaker 2: I think it makes it more interesting than Oregon's defense,

564
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Speaker 2: or Ohio State's defense, or I mean Alabama's defense is

565
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: obviously a good answer there, but like you start looking

566
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Speaker 2: down the rankings and you know, maybe A and M

567
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: is interesting in that regard, But like Cincinnati with time

568
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Speaker 2: to game plan against Georgia's offense, I'm still not I'm

569
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Speaker 2: not fully out on the Bearcats.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And the thing too is that it's a shame

571
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Speaker 3: that we're never going to see that. Like we can

572
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Speaker 3: play the game. We do it every year you fall

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Speaker 3: back into the trap. And if there was ever going

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Speaker 3: to be a year where Cincinnati was going to be

575
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Speaker 3: in the playoffs, this would be the year, right, How

576
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Speaker 3: could it that be this year? If it doesn't happen

577
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Speaker 3: this year, it's never ever gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: No, this this would be the year. One thing I

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Speaker 1: brought up to Dan on the show that we did

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday as opposed to some of the old conjecture

581
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Speaker 1: around Boise State. Remember they were ranked very highly and

582
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Speaker 1: years gone by, and the question was always well, can

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Speaker 1: they really compete with so and so? Can they really

584
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Speaker 1: compete with Oklahoma? Right? I don't feel like you can

585
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Speaker 1: ask that question with a straight face about Cincinnati this year,

586
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Speaker 1: Like you can ask it, but are we really going

587
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Speaker 1: to sit here and say, yeah, I don't think Cincinnati

588
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Speaker 1: can go toe to toe with a Michigan or an

589
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Speaker 1: Oregon or even in Alabama.

590
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Speaker 3: Like it feels the thing too is Yeah, not to

591
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Speaker 3: interrupt you, but last year the national champion beat the

592
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Speaker 3: crap out of Ohio State so badly that it was

593
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Speaker 3: starting to be like, are we gonna put a running

594
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Speaker 3: clock on this thing here? Yeah? And it's like most years,

595
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 3: the best team in college football that emerges as the best.

596
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Speaker 3: The answer to that question is everybody can't play that

597
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Speaker 3: well against them because they're the best. So like if

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Speaker 3: you loop, if you lump Cincinnati into a thing of

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Speaker 3: oh they would probably lose to Georgia by twenty five.

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Speaker 3: And it's like everybody who plays Georgia this year is

601
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Speaker 3: getting their butts kicked. So Cincinnati is just on par

602
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Speaker 3: with the other teams that you're comparing them against. Just

603
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Speaker 3: because they're not good enough to beat the best team

604
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Speaker 3: in the game doesn't mean that they aren't more likely

605
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Speaker 3: or more deserving or better to go to the playoff

606
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Speaker 3: and get their shot as opposed to whatever other marginal

607
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Speaker 3: team they're being compared to, because they're just not in

608
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Speaker 3: the Power Five. So like an undefeated team too. I

609
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: don't care what conference you play in. Going undefeated is hard.

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Speaker 3: It's just hard. And if you lose a game, I

611
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Speaker 3: think that you deserve or you lose the right to

612
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Speaker 3: have the benefit of the doubt. So if you've lost

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Speaker 3: and you don't make the playoff, you might feel like, hey,

614
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Speaker 3: you know what, we were one of the four best teams,

615
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: but you lost, and that's part of the game. So

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Speaker 3: if you lose and you don't get in, why don't

617
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: you throw undefeated Cincinnati in there? And if they lose

618
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: to Georgia by thirty How is that any other different

619
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Speaker 3: and any different than every other semi final we've watched

620
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Speaker 3: the last five years? Right, how many of the semi

621
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Speaker 3: final games end in blowouts, like eighty percent of them.

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Speaker 2: It's a Midwestern tradition get blown out in the playoff.

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Speaker 2: There's no reason Cincinnati can't be that next Midwest yes

624
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Speaker 2: game to get blown out in the play.

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Speaker 3: It's like even Clemson got blown out by Ohio State

626
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Speaker 3: and then Ohio State got blown out by Bama. It's

627
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: a sport of blowouts? Why are we afraid of it?

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Speaker 1: While we're talking about Ohio State, I wanted to get

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Speaker 1: your reaction to something Dan said on a recent podcast,

630
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Speaker 1: so we know we've got a huge game, huge game

631
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Speaker 1: in air quotes here this weekend as Perdue tries to

632
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: knock off a third top five team this season. An

633
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: incredible feat by any measure. But Dan's point was, all right,

634
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: let's look at Purdue. Purdue just got ranked for the

635
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: first time in the College Football Playoff rankings. Their losses

636
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Speaker 1: are not bad losses. You could argue they've got the

637
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: best wins of anybody in the country. What happens to

638
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: their playoff ranking if they beat Ohio State this weekend?

639
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: What should happen to their playoff ranking?

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Speaker 3: Oh In Columbus, they are I think that they would

641
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: be a top ten team.

642
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Speaker 2: I'm totally with you.

643
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Speaker 3: I don't know if they would be. I think that

644
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: they should be. Here's what I said on the Ohio

645
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: State podcast that I do with my co host Bill

646
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Speaker 3: andis this is the first time that I can I

647
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: can't remember a single time that Ohio if you took

648
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Speaker 3: the two best players on Ohio State's team, and you

649
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: took the two best players on the other team they're

650
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: playing in the Big Ten, that you would take the

651
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: two best players on the other team. That's never happened before, Like.

652
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Speaker 2: Big George and David Bell or Tilo.

653
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Speaker 3: Would you take both of those guys or would you

654
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Speaker 3: take Chris Olave and GARYL. Wilson? Who which are Ohio

655
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: State's two best players? I mean we're talking about you know,

656
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Speaker 3: I think that David Bell is probably the third best

657
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: receiver in that category. But as a package, you'd probably

658
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Speaker 3: take the game disrupting defensive end in conjunction with a

659
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Speaker 3: very good David Bell. And It's like Ohio State is

660
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Speaker 3: never in a position where they're playing a team where

661
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Speaker 3: their two best players are either better than Ohio State's

662
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Speaker 3: two best players or at least comparable in the in

663
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Speaker 3: the in the sense that it's a discussion. So like,

664
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Speaker 3: to me, this is a twenty point spread, and maybe

665
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Speaker 3: it's one of those weird spreads where Ohio State will

666
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Speaker 3: just cover like forty two to seventeen because everybody's gonna

667
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 3: probably take the points this week. But like if Purdue

668
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Speaker 3: beat Ohio State on the road, because like I mean

669
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Speaker 3: I that would be a legitimizing win. But like, I'm

670
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Speaker 3: probably the number one most hated person in Big ten

671
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Speaker 3: media because like I never give these teams the credit

672
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: that they feel that they deserve when they're unbeaten. It's

673
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 3: like I'm the guy on the podcast saying that Michigan

674
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: State sucks before they lose. It's like they're Penn State.

675
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: Michigan and Michigan State are so indistinguishable to me that

676
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: I can't possibly believe that they're any good. And it's

677
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: just like it bears out that way every year. It's

678
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: the same thing. They're just they look good, and you

679
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: deserve some credit for going to eight to oh But

680
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: when we're talking about the special teams in the sport,

681
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: they don't stack up. They just don't stack up. And

682
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: I think it's really really funny too, And I got

683
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Speaker 3: into an argument off the air with Andy about this.

684
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Speaker 3: But Ohio State played a close game against Nebraska last week, right,

685
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Speaker 3: so everybody will say, hey, you know what, Ohio State

686
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 3: might not be as good as we think they are.

687
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: They almost lost to Nebraska. That's a big red flag.

688
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: But it's like, how many people who ranked Michigan State

689
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Speaker 3: number three the week before consider that they almost lost

690
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: the Nebraska. They don't because we're so starved for wanting

691
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 3: something different in the playoff every year that we want

692
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: to make fetch happen. And it's just like it's just

693
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Speaker 3: not the case.

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Speaker 2: Well, alternately, alternatively, whatever, what is Ohio State this year?

695
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Speaker 2: Like if you went in not knowing Ohio State's recent history.

696
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 2: You didn't know Chris o'lave's career, you didn't know CJ.

697
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: Stroud's recruiting ranking, you didn't know Ryan Day's track record

698
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: as an offensive play caller. You're just like, I have

699
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: landed draft projections, right, you don't know any of this.

700
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: You just landed from Neptune. You're familiar with college football

701
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: and you just watch Ohio State football. Would you think

702
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: this is a crazy good team or would you think

703
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: this is a flawed team that has some interesting players

704
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: now that I'm watching it, like what actually is in

705
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: a vacuum Ohio State this year, which.

706
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Speaker 3: Like just said, they're a flawed team with interesting players.

707
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: What are the flaws to you? And how did they

708
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: come to be?

709
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 3: Their defensive personnel isn't to the standard that it has

710
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: been in years past, and they discovered a running back

711
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: who's now a linebacker named Steel Chambers who's now playing

712
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: with some intensity with their linebackers are inherently slow. They've

713
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: suffered some major injuries in the back end of their defense,

714
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: and their entire defensive philosophy that got them blown off

715
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 3: the field against Alabama inexplicably was unchanged until they lost

716
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: to Oregon and they did a completely revamped defensive strategy

717
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: now that has put them in a position where they

718
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: can win. But the thing that I think about Ohio

719
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 3: State is they are an inherently flawed team, but they

720
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 3: are one of the three or four teams that if

721
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Speaker 3: they put it together, can beat anybody in the country,

722
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: whereas Michigan State on a day where they put it

723
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: all together might still lose. And I think that that

724
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: has to matter. So but on a day that Oregon

725
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: puts it together, and like, listen, I know you're an

726
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: Oregon guy. What Mario Cristobal has been doing from a

727
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 3: recruiting standpoint, they are starting to put themselves in a

728
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: position where they are built the same way these other

729
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: teams are. And if the last year's recruiting class is

730
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: very good, they're getting five star players out of Texas

731
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: right now. Their classes have been really, really good. And

732
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Speaker 3: I view like, if Mario Cristball were to ever leave Oregon,

733
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Speaker 3: I think they'd be the dumbest thing in the world,

734
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Speaker 3: because he is at a place that's got a great brand,

735
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Speaker 3: it knows what it is, it can recruit nationally at

736
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Speaker 3: a high level, which is a very hard thing to do,

737
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: and it's in a very winnable conference, and they own

738
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Speaker 3: that conference. And I hope, for their sake and for

739
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: the Pac twelve sake, that they actually do it this year.

740
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Speaker 3: But when you look at the NFL draft numbers, like,

741
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody can just land from Neptune watch

742
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: Ohio State and not watch chrys Olave Trey Henderson their

743
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: offensive line and not just be like, oh my god,

744
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: this team has so many good players. What are they

745
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: going to do when it comes together, but at the

746
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 3: same time they should be penalized for sucking. I mean,

747
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: they got their their butts kicked by Oregon. They've almost

748
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 3: lost a few games to teams that are marginally good,

749
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Speaker 3: and you know what, if they lose again, it wouldn't

750
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: be the most surprising thing in the world. But here's

751
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 3: the thing about Ohio State, and the toughest thing about

752
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 3: the sport is that I know, beyond a shadow of

753
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: a doubt that Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State cannot

754
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 3: beat Alabama. And I mean Alabama, maybe Oregon and and Georgia.

755
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 3: I know beyond the shadow of a doubt, those teams

756
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 3: are not built from a physical speed to built Oregon.

757
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: Oregon was an accident to put in there. But I

758
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 3: don't think they'd beat Oregon either. Okay, all right, but

759
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: like what I'm saying, But I'm I'm saying Alabama and

760
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: Georgia are the two monsters of the sport this year.

761
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: Maybe just Georgia by itself, because Alabama has shown it's

762
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: inherently flawed the same way Ohio State is. Right, your

763
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 3: life depends on it. You have to pick between Michigan State, Michigan,

764
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: Ohio State and any other team in the top ten

765
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: of the playoff rankings to go up and beat Georgia

766
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 3: right now, your life depends on it. Who are you taking. No,

767
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 3: one's taking Michigan State, Nobody. Nobody's taking Michigan. Now, you

768
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: take the team that is built to do it, and

769
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 3: people go, well, the recruiting rankings aren't the playoff rankings,

770
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Speaker 3: and I agree with that.

771
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: No, just take the best quarterback Texas as quarterback.

772
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, would you take the best quarterback? Because I don't

773
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 3: think CJ. Stroud is the best quarterback.

774
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: You don't think. No, CJ. Stroud's better than Cave McNamara.

775
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: He's better than Anthony Brown, He's better than Peyton Thorn,

776
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 2: He's better than cal Zach Calzada, Like, he's better than

777
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: Who's the top ten quarterback that's better than c J. Stroud.

778
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: Maybe Caleb Williams.

779
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: Maybe c J.

780
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: Stroud is going to be very good. He's just not

781
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 3: great yet. But my only point is that, like I

782
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 3: think the Playoff Committee ranks teams based on their perceived

783
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: notions of who they are, based on all the information

784
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: that they have, And why shouldn't that information be used?

785
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: Why shouldn't recruiting rankings be used, or NFL draft projections,

786
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: or or the way a team's built, because part of

787
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: getting to the playoff and winning a national championship is

788
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 3: obviously putting yourself in a position to win games. But

789
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Speaker 3: a coach's job, which Dan Mullen doesn't know eighty percent

790
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 3: of it, is assembling the roster that puts you in

791
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: that position. So of course your roster and what you

792
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: have on your team is being taken into account. You

793
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: might not want to admit it, but every single time

794
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 3: that committee walks into that room in Great Vine, Texas,

795
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: they're looking at how those teams are made up.

796
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: Let's close the loop on the Ohio State Purdue matchup.

797
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: The line is about twenty twenty one. Depends where you look.

798
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: When you look, what is your What is the Ari

799
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: Wasserman pick there.

800
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: I would take. I think my official projection was a

801
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: Purdue cover and that Ohio State would win forty two

802
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: to twenty four. That's my official Like podcast media type

803
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: like you have to have a pick because for whatever reason,

804
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: sports writers have been viewed as prognosticators when our job

805
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 3: is to Our job is to write about what happened,

806
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: not to tell you what's going to happen. I wouldn't

807
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: bet this game in a million years. This is one

808
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 3: of those games where Purdue could have the ball down

809
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: seven in the fourth quarter, or Purdue could lose fifty

810
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: six to ten, because if Ohio State puts it together

811
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: like it's like whenever I talk about gambling, you guys

812
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: remember when the Warriors were just awesome, like four or

813
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 3: five years ago. If you're a gambler, the Warriors didn't

814
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: cover all their games, but it's sure as hell was

815
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 3: not very fun to bet against them because you don't

816
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: want to be on the bottom half of that avalanche,

817
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: right Like, Ohio State is the type of team that

818
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: can score twenty eight points in a six minute period

819
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: and when that happens, you know you're just wrong. But

820
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: my official projection is this Ohio State is flawed. They

821
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: play offense like they don't know who they are, Their

822
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 3: defense is suspect, their coordinators situation is weird after Oregon

823
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 3: sent them into a tailspin. Their offensive line, despite having

824
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: three first round draft picks on it isn't playing very well.

825
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 3: They don't get the benefit of the doubt of they're

826
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 3: gonna win fifty six to ten. Until they actually win

827
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 3: a game that way. So my opinion is Purdue has

828
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 3: very good players at the top. I hope it'll be

829
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: a fun game to watch. It might be close. They

830
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 3: provide a situation that you don't really see in Ohio

831
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 3: State regular season Big Ten games, which is having the

832
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: two best players in the field potentially, and I think

833
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: that Purdue will make it an interesting game at least

834
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: into the third quarter.

835
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Speaker 2: By the way, the case against Purdue is it's very

836
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: difficult to play lights out and to your absolute maximum

837
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: two weeks in a row. Right, that's the case that

838
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: Purdue may simply be a pretty good team and play

839
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: pretty good against Ohio State. And playing pretty good as

840
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: the boiler Makers means you lose by twenty six.

841
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing too of just like winning

842
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 3: at Iowa twenty four to seven, biggest game of the year,

843
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 3: right for them, legitimizing win next week, getting your doors

844
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: blown off by Wisconsin, a team that couldn't get a

845
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: first down the week before. So you know, this game

846
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: is crazy, it's the sport is crazy. I want to

847
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: believe in Purdue and what they've built. And the thing too,

848
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 3: that I've loved the most about Jeff Brahm is every year,

849
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: it's like every other year. One year, this guy is

850
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: stealing money for Purdue. How is he making the fire

851
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: his ass right? Now, get out of here. And then

852
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: the next week is like, this guy is one of

853
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 3: the best offensive minds in the entire world. Purdue is

854
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 3: lucky to have every other year, like the hot seat

855
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 3: is fluctuating with him. But like, yeah, I'm very excited

856
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: to see if anybody can beat Georgia. I'm very excited

857
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 3: to see how the cream rises the top. The games

858
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: are getting interesting, as they always do in November. And

859
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: you know, I am one final bullet point. Andy disagrees

860
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 3: with me on this, but I hope you guys don't.

861
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: When the playoff is a twelve team playoff and everybody

862
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: gets in, it's going to really suck. I think I'm not.

863
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Speaker 1: Looking forward to that because I probably disagree with that.

864
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's.

865
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Speaker 3: Just like in this scenario, like Ohio State is just

866
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 3: gonna get in every year. Then every year they lose

867
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: two games or they like they don't deserve to go

868
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: to the playoff this year, but they're gonna just waltz

869
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: in no matter what. They're gonna have to have a

870
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: Florida like season to not make the playoff.

871
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: So I was just gonna say to me, the peak

872
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: of the season is November, and today make January more pronounced,

873
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: like to me, And this is the question I was

874
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 2: gonna ask you. Was just like, get let's get away

875
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: from any team even remotely in the playoff conversation, just

876
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: like who does it for you? Who's good TV for you?

877
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 2: And like, guess what Miami Florida State is probably gonna

878
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: be good TV this week has no playoff implications, but

879
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 2: guess what Miami improved Floridas State when they have Jordan

880
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: Travis at quarterback is an improved, interesting, explosive team. And

881
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: there are games like that across the sport, like we have.

882
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: We're recording this on Thursday, right. North Carolina's playing Pitt tonight.

883
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, tonight is gonna be a

884
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 3: great game.

885
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: It has no playoff implication, but like if we are

886
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: funneling everything into a twelve team playoff, we're like, well,

887
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: North Carolina, pit does really matter because these teams are

888
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: not necessarily playing to win the ACC. I mean, I

889
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: guess Pitt is on a certain level, but like the

890
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: implication of tonight's game is if North Carolina wins, they're

891
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: not going to win the ACC so it doesn't matter.

892
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: But there's so much in week ten, Week eleven, week twelve,

893
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: there's so much to the sport that when we get

894
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: to twelve teams, we're just like, well, your margin for

895
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: er is.

896
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 3: Lives and people are very fatigued by the repetitiveness of

897
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: the current playoff system. Do people realize that the expansion

898
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: of the playoff will absolutely and surely invite more teams in,

899
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: But all you're doing is giving Ohio State, Georgia, and

900
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 3: Alabama second and third chances in years where they're not

901
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: good enough. And then at those teams, it's like the

902
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen Ohio State team that I covered that was

903
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: one of the best teams I've ever seen in my

904
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 3: entire life. They didn't make the playoff because they lost

905
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: to Michigan State. They didn't deserve to go to the

906
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 3: playoff that year because they lost the only game on

907
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: their schedule that they couldn't lose.

908
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: But we do get matchups, we do get isolated matchups. Right,

909
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: we will get Baylor, Oregon, we will get Texas, saying

910
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: that like matchups that we wouldn't necessarily We got Texas

911
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: A and m Oklahoma and like a weird Big twelve

912
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: comeback kind of thing. Yes, there is that, like we

913
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: get better vacuums, but not necessarily better big picture.

914
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: But the thing is, like, I don't know that people

915
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: realize what they're asking for. You're gonna get good matchups,

916
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: there's gonna be more games. I'm not saying it's not

917
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: gonna be fun and that we're not all gonna love

918
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,919
Speaker 3: watching it. The thing is that I'm going to say

919
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 3: is that when Alabama loses their weird game to Ole

920
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: Miss in the years that they inexplicably have missed the playoff,

921
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 3: you're letting them back in the henhouse. And if they're

922
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: getting it, Ohio State, Georgia, maybe if they continue to

923
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: recruit the way they are, Ohio State and all the

924
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: teams Clemson, when they are who they are, are gonna

925
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 3: get second chances in seasons where they don't deserve it.

926
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: And I'm talking about somebody who covered Ohio State for

927
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: ten years before taking my new job. That team's best

928
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 3: teams never won the national championship because they lost inexplicably

929
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: to teams in the middle of the year. And the

930
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 3: thing that makes Ohio States national championships special is that

931
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 3: you have to be perfect to get there. And now

932
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 3: it's just like, why does an Ohio State or Alabama

933
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: or Georgia ifant even care about the regular season, there'll

934
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: be a two or three loss team that's just going

935
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: to get in at number twelve because if you look

936
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: at the rankings right now, the thirteenth best team in

937
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 3: the country is a two lost Baylor team. Because that's

938
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: so that's that's what it's going to be.

939
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: Then, my co host Dan Rubinstein has famously come out

940
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: against the future version of the playoff. This version of

941
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: the playoff he's very much akin to the old bull system,

942
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 1: you know that, being let's just make it exhibition games,

943
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: will pick our favorite at the end, and at least

944
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: we kind of have a different ITA in January first, Yeah,

945
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: set up an awesome January First. Are you in that camp?

946
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: Are you of the mindset that you would love to

947
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 1: just abandon the playoff entirely? Are you of the mindset

948
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: that four is good, that we need four with modifications

949
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: but not twelve? Where do you stand in the I

950
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: guess Broad.

951
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: Twelve twelve is too much. I think twelve is way

952
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 3: too much. We all know in any given year that

953
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 3: only six to eight teams maximum are built to win

954
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: a national championship. And that's not to say that the

955
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 3: North Carolinas and the pit Games of the world aren't fun,

956
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 3: but they're not built to win a national championship. And

957
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: whoever wins the ACC this year will not be a

958
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 3: team that is built to win the national championship. I

959
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: would do eight, and then I would do automatic bids

960
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 3: for every Power five winner, even though the concept of

961
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: Power five now is in question because we don't even

962
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 3: know what the Big twelve is going to be automatic

963
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: bids to make conference championships important. That again then emphasizes

964
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 3: the importance of winning games. So when people say why

965
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 3: do we play the games? It all goes towards your conference.

966
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 3: You have one automatic bid for the highest ranked group

967
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 3: of five teams, so they're in the mix every single year.

968
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 3: And then you have two at large teams like the

969
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: second SEC team or the second team in another conference

970
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: that's really really good that didn't win because of a

971
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: technicality or whatever, and you just roll with eight. Now

972
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 3: that doubles the thing. You're still going to wonder, we're

973
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: have arguments about who the two at large teams are

974
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,240
Speaker 3: going to be, but like to me, emphasizing conference championships

975
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: then makes the entire run of it more fun. You

976
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 3: play the non conference games to enhance your resume just

977
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: in case you want to be one of the at

978
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: large teams, and then the group of five is in

979
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: the mix, and then everybody wins. Everybody has a chance

980
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 3: to win their conference. Everybody has a chance to do

981
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: it the way where the committee is completely removed from

982
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: the discussion. And then you have a twelve or thirteen

983
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: person committee to do at large rankings every week, and

984
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: then the two to highest ranked teams in their rankings

985
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 3: at the end of the year that didn't when they're

986
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 3: their conference outside of the Group of five go And

987
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 3: I think that would be good.

988
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: I agree. And then obviously the SEC and the Big

989
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: ten don't want that.

990
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know why anybody wouldn't want that.

991
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,919
Speaker 3: I think the SEC's goal is to have nineteen teams

992
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: in their twelve team playoff, you know, and I understand

993
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: that the SEC. Anybody who watches football and those that

994
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 3: the SEC has the most teams and the most candidates

995
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: that are at least built to do it. And you know,

996
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 3: as you look at the recruiting rankings and the way

997
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 3: things are going right now, like Texas A and M

998
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 3: on their way, Like if you're watching what they're doing

999
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 3: right now, they're gonna have stacked rosters. Georgia's is what

1000
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 3: it is, Alabama LSU when things are working, I mean

1001
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: they've got teams that are you know, when I say

1002
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 3: quote unquote built to that might frustrate a Michigan State fan,

1003
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: but like in the SEC that like I always use

1004
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 3: this example, like Tennessee two years ago signed a top

1005
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 3: ten class in the country in their recruiting class and

1006
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: they were the seventh best in their own conference. So

1007
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: like there is a concentration of elite teams and that's

1008
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: so Like I understand they probably want more at large bids,

1009
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: But like, do Ohio State fans care about winning the

1010
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: Big ten? Like has that been stripped of like an accomplishment?

1011
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, of course it has.

1012
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 3: I think that winning your conference should mean something, and

1013
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: the winning of your conference meaning something takes away the

1014
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 3: subjectivity of what other people in a boardroom think. You

1015
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 3: get to sell it on the field by winning your conference,

1016
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: you hoist up your conference trophy, and then you automatically

1017
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: get a chance to play for a nasal championship as

1018
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: a as a POD. And I know that's more like

1019
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 3: an NFL system because there's a clear and defined way

1020
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: of making the playoff in professional leagues and the subjectivity

1021
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 3: of college sports makes it more fun. But I also

1022
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: think that it leaves enough on the table for the

1023
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: two at large teams to be debated. You have a

1024
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: group of five flavor in there to make it more exciting,

1025
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 3: and at the same time, everybody had her fair shake

1026
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: at it.

1027
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: What is the prestige of a conference? Right, Like it's

1028
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: a group of teams that sell a TV contract. Like

1029
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 2: so many rivalries have disappeared, and the Big Ten is like, well,

1030
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: let's add Rutgers in Maryland, which did nothing for the

1031
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: conference in terms of anybody in San Diego or in

1032
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 2: you know, Amarillo. Text, It's like, why do you care

1033
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: about the Big Ten anymore because Maryland and Rutgers are there?

1034
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: Why do you care about the ACC anymore because Boston

1035
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 2: College and Syracuse are there? Why do you care Like

1036
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: Texas and Oklahoma didn't care about their conference?

1037
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 3: Right?

1038
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't important to them to be in the

1039
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: Big twelve.

1040
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: And that's the reason why my idea is probably crap,

1041
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 3: because now is Power five even thing anymore, like reviewing

1042
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: the Big twelve as a power conference.

1043
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: No, We're gonna have Fox and ESPN conferences. It's all

1044
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: gonna be.

1045
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing about college football and the

1046
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: thing that sucks about this conference expansion, fans don't like it.

1047
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: Reporters don't like it. I mean, I guess some people

1048
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: like theorizing about what it's going to look like. Conferences

1049
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: used to be a collection of geographical uh yeah, you know,

1050
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: used to have a connection to the land, you know

1051
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like if you were in the Big Ten,

1052
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 3: you were a Midwestern team. If you were an SEC team,

1053
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 3: you were in the South, and so on and so forth.

1054
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 3: And it's like now like Oklahoma is in the SEC,

1055
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: and it's just like, I guess they kind of fit in,

1056
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 3: but they're not in the Oklahoma's not in the South.

1057
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: Oklahomas gonna be playing South caroscause Maryland in the Midwest,

1058
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: like I understand. And now that the conference situations are

1059
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: getting murky, where conferences are disbanding or expanding and teams

1060
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: are going from here to there. Like now, the current

1061
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 3: makeup of the SEC that includes Texas and Oklahoma, it'd

1062
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: be insane to only give them one spot because they

1063
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: have half the good teams in the country in their conference.

1064
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: So like as I like the playoff because it gives

1065
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 3: us big time matchups that we wouldn't otherwise see, I

1066
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: want to see Oklahoma play LSU. I want to see

1067
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: Clemson play Ohio State like they if there was no playoff,

1068
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: that would never happen in a game with some meaning

1069
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: to it. But I also just don't know what the

1070
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: perfect way to do it is. I just know that

1071
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: if you start inviting the twelfth best team in the country,

1072
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: it's just going to be a lot more blowouts. You're

1073
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 3: just giving the best teams a second chance in seasons

1074
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 3: where they're supposed to be ruined by upsets, and the

1075
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 3: same teams are gonna win it still, and it's just

1076
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 3: going to be like a collection of second chance scenarios

1077
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: for teams that should have otherwise been disqualified. The reason why,

1078
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 3: the reason why fans rush the field when things happen,

1079
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: or the reason why we all are glued to the

1080
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: television every single time we're on upset alert is because

1081
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 3: there are consequences for the law, and if you add

1082
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 3: a twelve team system, then we're removing consequences for losing.

1083
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: When you said, what is Ohio State care about winning

1084
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: the Big Ten? Totally agree. I just don't think the

1085
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: point of Ohio State football is to beat Alabama. I'm

1086
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: always going to be of the mind. Then you can

1087
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: apply this to anybody. The point of Ohio State footballs

1088
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: to beat Michigan and Michigan State and Penn State. It

1089
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 2: used to be. It used to be right, But I

1090
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 2: still think if you're an Ohio State fan by and large,

1091
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 2: that's what gets you the most worked up, beating those

1092
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: teams and avoiding losing to those teams.

1093
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 3: And push back on that one hundred and fifty percent.

1094
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: Really well, I mean, I think you're right.

1095
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 3: Like in general, you're right. Ohio State playing Clemson last year,

1096
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: after the way that they lost the year before and

1097
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 3: blown out in the playoff, there was more built up

1098
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: testosterone going into that game to play Clemson than there

1099
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:54,919
Speaker 3: ever was in a Michigan game for the past fifteen years.

1100
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: Right, But that's on Michigan, right, Like, if Michigan is

1101
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: good it's more or it's it's more valuable to me

1102
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: as somebody who's not associated with Ohio State, and I

1103
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: have no ISO State fan, but I'm saying, like Ohio

1104
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: State that the one two game when it was two

1105
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 2: thousand and six, I want to say, yeah, that's a

1106
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: bigger game than any honest ever. Right, yeah, And so

1107
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: that's it's on Michigan why that game doesn't happen more often,

1108
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: That they're not like numbers three and five, although they

1109
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: might be this year. That's a more important part of

1110
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 2: college football evolving though it's totally evolving. And as I

1111
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: get older, my takes are going to be that of

1112
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: an old man.

1113
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: I get that.

1114
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: I totally get that, and everybody is loyal to why

1115
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: they started liking the sport initially. But if you're tie,

1116
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: you I I think ty would love for Notre Dame

1117
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 2: to beat a top five USC more so than beating

1118
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: a random team in I don't know if it's the

1119
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 2: playoff and non playoff whatever, I mean, this is where

1120
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 2: my it just means more thing comes in.

1121
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: Tie. I'm going to ask you this directly, and you're

1122
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 3: a lot of test moment, look at me in the eyes, buddy, Okay,

1123
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 3: would you rather Notre Dame beat Alabama or USC rank

1124
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: in the top five next year?

1125
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: I would rather Alabama.

1126
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 3: That's college football now, and like it's it's dimensional, it's

1127
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 3: not anymore. And the thing that I'm a little bit

1128
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: worried about with the playoff system is, and people don't

1129
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: talk about this very much, but I'm obsessed with it,

1130
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 3: is the perpetual results of recruiting rankings are becoming more

1131
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: and more lopsided. And I think it's coinciding with the

1132
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 3: teams that are most visible in the playoff every year.

1133
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 3: And I'm wondering, like you say, well, that's on Michigan,

1134
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 3: And I wonder if Michigan and Ohio State being on

1135
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: even footing is a thing in the permanent past now

1136
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: because Ohio State is recruiting at a certain level based

1137
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 3: on their visibility in the playoff that didn't necessarily exist

1138
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: before its existence, and then now Michigan is behind the

1139
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: eight ball permanently and against a natural rival where it

1140
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 3: was a fifty to fifty coin flip every year.

1141
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything permanent. I don't think there's

1142
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: anything permanent about a place as big as Michigan about

1143
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 2: a rand as large as Michigan. I think the right

1144
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 2: person can recruit on a crazy level because there is

1145
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: nothing special about Columbus Ohio that isn't or is better right. Yeah,

1146
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: So I'm saying, like the location of Ohio State and

1147
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 2: the history of Ohio State is not appreciably different than

1148
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 2: Notre Dame, than Michigan, than all of those places. Oh

1149
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: Esli's has been better at doing it.

1150
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also think that the conditions between those two

1151
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 3: programs have changed in terms of what the expectations are

1152
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 3: and coaches don't get fired for not winning, they get

1153
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: fired for not meeting those expectations. And like right now,

1154
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 3: Michigan's entire program has recalibrated its expectations to tend in

1155
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 3: two Whereas five years ago losing to Ohio State was inexcusable. Now,

1156
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 3: in a year where they're in the top ten of

1157
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 3: the playoff, if they beat Penn State this weekend and

1158
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 3: then lose to Ohio State by twenty or fourteen, that

1159
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,959
Speaker 3: will be a successful year where that wasn't the case.

1160
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: And I think as we continue to ease into that normality,

1161
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: then one is a blue blood that's completely high on

1162
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: the stock market rankings, and one team just has given

1163
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: up the idea of holding up their end of the bargain,

1164
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 3: which is something I've been screaming about and writing about

1165
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 3: for the past five years. But it's happening in front

1166
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 3: of our eyes. So, like, will Michigan ever beat Ohio

1167
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 3: State again? Sure, I'm sure it's going to happen at

1168
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 3: some point, But Ohio State is built like Alabama. Michigan State,

1169
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 3: Penn State, and Michigan are all built like those teams

1170
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 3: I just mentioned. There is a stark difference between those

1171
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: two things, and I think the playoffs existence kind of

1172
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 3: helped exasperate what we're seeing between those differences.

1173
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: Is it good, though, that we're only talking about five

1174
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: teams this entire show? Is it good that we're we've

1175
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: de emphasized the totality of the sport?

1176
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 3: No, No, I know, But like it's just like also

1177
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 3: in two thousand and five when the BCS was at

1178
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 3: its height, I mean, we're we talking about the seventeenth

1179
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 3: ranked team on the show. Like, I mean, even in

1180
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 3: a time where there was only one National Championship game,

1181
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 3: you know, the teams that are in this discussion now,

1182
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 3: we're still teams that expected to win the national championship then.

1183
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: And you know, man, I was up on Wednesday night

1184
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 3: watching maction. I was enjoying it.

1185
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun.

1186
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 3: Just because those teams aren't in the national championship race

1187
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that we're not consuming it and enjoying it.

1188
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: But as it pertains to do you write about NIU?

1189
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: Do you write about Kent State? I don't write about

1190
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: any of those teams.

1191
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's not because they're not in the playoff

1192
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 3: discussions because their fan bases aren't big enough to care.

1193
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 3: It's the same thing that people, it's the same reason

1194
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: why we don't have a writer for the Arizona State

1195
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 3: junior colleges, because there aren't enough fans to consume the information.

1196
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 3: Trust me, if there was a rabid NIU fan base

1197
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 3: that was hungry for coverage of their not every team

1198
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 3: at the athletic that is a beat writers of National

1199
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 3: South Carolina writer last year, they're not winning national championships.

1200
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 3: I think that what we write a bit about is

1201
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 3: catering to the interest in what we're writing about and

1202
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 3: not vice versa.

1203
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: So what do we do?

1204
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 3: What do we do?

1205
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: If Ari Wasserman, you are put in charge tomorrow of

1206
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: the college football College Football Rebalancing Committee. I'm making this

1207
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: up as I go. What are you doing to try

1208
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: and promote college football? The pageantry of college football and

1209
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: not just the pageantry of like seven teams that could

1210
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: potentially win it every year?

1211
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 3: I know, but don't Do we not watch what happened

1212
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 3: against in the Tennessee game a few weeks ago when

1213
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 3: they were crow going crazy in Knotsville. Do we not

1214
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 3: watch the games? Like I am a playoff obsessed recruiting

1215
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 3: person who will yell about recruiting rankings until I'm blue

1216
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 3: in the face, and I'm watching every game I can,

1217
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 3: and like, I don't know that in twenty twenty one,

1218
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: when there's a playoff, that the sport is any inherently

1219
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 3: different than it was back then. I mean, there's always

1220
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: been have and have nots, right, There's always been blue

1221
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 3: bloods and teams that want to beat them. I mean,

1222
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: it's not like I think that there's like this idea

1223
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 3: that we're craving that the NFL where you can be

1224
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns. Then you can stink for twenty years

1225
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 3: and then one year you sign or Nick is a hit,

1226
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 3: you have Miles Garrett and then all of a sudden,

1227
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 3: your team is a playoff team. And it's just like

1228
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 3: college football was fine and is fine the way it is,

1229
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 3: and like fans of IOWA are excited to see if

1230
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: their team can reach the expectations that are in line

1231
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 3: with the expectations of their program, and that's not a

1232
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: national championship, whereas LSU they want to win a national title.

1233
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 3: And it's like, is it I just don't know that.

1234
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 3: I buy that. It's much different than when we were kids.

1235
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 3: There's just more fun games at the end of the year.

1236
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 3: And I think I'm more pure champion because I think

1237
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: winning a conference championship, winning a semi final, and then

1238
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 3: winning a national title is a hell of a lot

1239
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: harder than waltzing your way into the BCS game and

1240
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 3: winning one off game. You know, I think it's more entertaining.

1241
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 3: But the thing I don't know is and this is

1242
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: where I think the nuts and bolts of the whole

1243
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: problem are. And I think you guys would agree with this.

1244
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 3: It's a recruiting problem. The recruiting numbers are lopsided. If

1245
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 3: you go look at George's class right now, they've got

1246
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 3: fifteen top five or top one hundred players that they're

1247
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 3: going to sign this year, and like teams ten through

1248
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: thirty might have a combined fifteen total, you know what

1249
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: I mean, Like there's a wealth of talent, Like Ohio

1250
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 3: State's receiver room, I think I read this stat had

1251
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 3: like seven or eight top one hundred players in there,

1252
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 3: and the rest of the big ten combined at every

1253
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 3: position only had like ten. So like there's like a

1254
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 3: there's like a top heaviness to the type of players

1255
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 3: that are on certain rosters, and I don't know what

1256
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: the answer is to help get that talent more dispersed.

1257
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 3: Is that you can't do a cap on stars because

1258
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 3: that's subjective. You can't do a cap on coaching salaries

1259
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: because that's an anti trust law violation. Like there's like

1260
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what the actual solution is because the

1261
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: cool kids are just the cool kids. But as long

1262
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 3: as the the sport's always been top heavy, but as

1263
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 3: long as the recruiting rankings are as top heavy as

1264
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 3: they are right now where Ohio, Like I think I

1265
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 3: said this stat on the show, but I think sixty

1266
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 3: eight of the top one hundred players in the country

1267
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 3: last year so almost a third or two thirds of

1268
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: the top one hundred went to five schools, and then

1269
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: the rest of the and then everything else is everybody

1270
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 3: gets the scraps. And it's like those five schools are LSU, Clemson,

1271
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 3: Ohio State, Georgia, and I think Oklahoma, and it's like, okay,

1272
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 3: well those are the teams that are in the playoff

1273
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 3: every year.

1274
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: The big thing is to become one of those schools.

1275
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: You need to be You need to happen to be

1276
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: located in one of like three parts of the country.

1277
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: And also you need not just commitment in terms of money,

1278
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: because you have to match not just facilities, but like

1279
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 2: what support staff, recruiting, travel budget you need. You need

1280
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: to invest in so many different parts of your program.

1281
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: You need to invest in coaches, you need to invest

1282
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: in assistant pools. And the big thing is you need

1283
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 2: to invest in time.

1284
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 3: Right.

1285
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of time to become even a

1286
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 2: pseudo blue blood.

1287
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 3: Right.

1288
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: How long did it take Oregon?

1289
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 3: Right?

1290
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 2: Oregon invested at first in nineteen ninety five building an

1291
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,640
Speaker 2: indoor facility, then the uniforms at the end of the

1292
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: ninety Like it didn't it didn't happen overnight, So like

1293
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: a in an arbitrary situation. I don't know Iowa, Boston College,

1294
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, whatever, any of these places that just are

1295
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: so behind because of not being good for a long

1296
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: time and not investing for a long time. It takes

1297
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: serious patients and serious cash. And if you're Iowa, why

1298
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: do you risk eight win seasons if that's bringing in

1299
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: money and you're going to bowl games every year in

1300
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 2: pursuit of eleven game seasons that you don't know if

1301
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen, and you're gonna spend a ton of

1302
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: money and spend a time hoping it happens. So you're

1303
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 2: just gonna be happy with eight wins a year and

1304
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: go from there. And there's just nobody who has the

1305
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 2: kind of time or money capital to take that kind

1306
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 2: of chance.

1307
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 3: But it has happened. Oregon did it.

1308
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,959
Speaker 2: Clemson with an extremely unique situation. Clemson's in the right place,

1309
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 2: Oregon has the right booster.

1310
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 3: So why this is like, this is the thing though,

1311
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 3: It's just like if you're Washington State or Oregon State

1312
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 3: or Syracuse, Yeah, and you are terrible geography as it

1313
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 3: pertains to acquiring talent. Why are we discussing how to

1314
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,479
Speaker 3: cater to them, like they are not in a place

1315
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 3: where they want to spend the money. And if you're

1316
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 3: a program like Iowa for instance, Not that this is true,

1317
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 3: but this is the example you used. If they don't

1318
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 3: want to rock the boat and mess up their eight

1319
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 3: win seasons because they don't know if they're ever gonna

1320
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 3: get to eleven, why does catering to the way that

1321
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 3: we do the national championship race ever gonna Why are

1322
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 3: they gonna matter before or after we make a change.

1323
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 3: If we revert back to the BCS, Iowa's mindset doesn't change.

1324
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 3: They don't change locations from Iowa City to Nashville or

1325
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 3: somewhere that's near talent.

1326
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 2: So not catering, We're not catering to them. But what

1327
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 2: we're saying is these five or six teams who have

1328
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: separated themselves in terms of talent acquisition. They're not the

1329
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: sole focus of the sport.

1330
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: Like this. So there's no playoff show, there's no discussion.

1331
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 3: But like even back in the BCS era college football final,

1332
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 3: what do they talk about. Here's what we expect from

1333
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 3: the BCS and here's the numbers. How were they gonna

1334
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 3: here's the simulation of what the computer is gonna spit out.

1335
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 3: It's there is an obsession with who's the best team

1336
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 3: and who's gonna win the national championship. But I understand too,

1337
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 3: Like Iowa was in the playoff discussion this year. Mm hmm,

1338
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 3: so like Washington State has been in the playoff discussion.

1339
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, Washington States won a rose bul Yeah. I also,

1340
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 3: I feel like all these teams, like Mississippi State was

1341
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,480
Speaker 3: number one in the playoff rankings one year, right, like

1342
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: being in the discussion on this show. Like I know

1343
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 3: Michigan State and Michigan have higher aspirations than being mentioned.

1344
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 3: But we're talking about Baylor on the show. I mean,

1345
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 3: we're talking about Notre Dame, Cincinnati, Alabama, Michigan State, Oklahoma,

1346
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 3: you know, and then the teams in like Purdue, who's

1347
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 3: in the nineteen. We talked about Perdue on the show today.

1348
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 3: I mean, we're talking about teams. It's not just the Alabama,

1349
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 3: Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson.

1350
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: Show, but within the context of them being Cannon Funner,

1351
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: I wish this.

1352
01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 3: Show would have gone for three hours. I left talk to him.

1353
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it could go on forever, right, this

1354
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: is the topic of debate in college football that competitive imbalance.

1355
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,000
Speaker 1: The NCAA came out with the draft of its new

1356
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:12,919
Speaker 1: constitution earlier in the week. It seems as if they're

1357
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: taking a different approach, right at least a different proposed

1358
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: approach into how they see themselves fitting into this new

1359
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,919
Speaker 1: era of college sports. It seemingly paves the way for

1360
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: more autonomy by member institutions to perhaps even break away

1361
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: and start different divisions. You know, this, I think is

1362
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 1: a huge X factor looking forward, because you're right, Ari,

1363
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 1: we are in a position where we're talking about the

1364
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: same ten teams every year. Is that good? Is that bad?

1365
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: You could probably argue on both sides of it. But

1366
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: if we have a super league type of situation twenty

1367
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: years from now, where we've got twelve teams that qualify that,

1368
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, there are ways that they could potentially remake

1369
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 1: the sport to keep it interesting on a number of

1370
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: different levels.

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Speaker 3: Well, the thing that I don't know is that we

1372
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 3: have all these different ideas of super leagues and conferences

1373
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 3: and playoff structures and how many teams go, and the

1374
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 3: fundamental problems with the programs that aren't being spoken about

1375
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 3: enough are all the ones that Dan just mentioned. It's

1376
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 3: booster buy in its administration's commitment to building an indoor facility,

1377
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 3: to maximizing their recruiting budget, and to actually invest in

1378
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 3: your program. And I know that there's more money and

1379
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 3: like by joining conferences and TV deals, there's more influx

1380
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 3: of cash into programs, which can make all the difference

1381
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: in the world. But you can't fix geography, you can't

1382
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: fix fan interest, and you can't fix where the prospects

1383
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 3: are going based on the rules that we're trying to

1384
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 3: change or move in place. So it's always been this way.

1385
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: It's always been this way, and there's a lot that

1386
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 1: static And look, I know that this has been mentioned

1387
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: time and again. But in some future state, if they

1388
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: were able to enact some sort of relegation or promotion

1389
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: system that would make things interesting, I.

1390
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 3: Would be into that. I think. I just like, what

1391
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 3: does that mean financially though, Like if you get relegated

1392
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 3: to a lower league.

1393
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: But look like your Iowa example, your Iowa example, we

1394
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 1: could take Iowa. Does Iowa want to make a run

1395
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: at that top branch, at that top chunk of college football.

1396
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: If they want to do that, then they've got to

1397
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: invest heavily because it's not going to come cheaply in

1398
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: order to be in that group of twenty or fifteen

1399
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: or whatever.

1400
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 3: That's the same one they always say about Michigan. I

1401
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:31,479
Speaker 3: don't understand why Michigan isn't approaching or demanding that from

1402
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 3: They've got more money than any of these other teams,

1403
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 3: or just as much money as any of the other teams.

1404
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 3: They have a rabid fan base. They're in a same

1405
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 3: environment from a geographical standpoint as Ohio State, and they

1406
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: administration and the fans to a certain extent, have accepted

1407
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 3: being second fiddle to Ohio State. When they have the uniforms,

1408
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 3: the facilities, the location, the conference, the TV deal, They've

1409
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 3: got everything that Ohio State has, then there's no reason

1410
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 3: why they should be second place. And it's just like

1411
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 3: to me, I think that it's to the administration to

1412
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 3: hire the right coach, or to fire the coach, or

1413
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 3: to invest in the recruiting budget, or to do the

1414
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 3: things that they need to do in order to get

1415
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 3: to that place. And I'm less interested in what fundamental

1416
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 3: changes we can make to the sport, and I'm more

1417
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 3: interested in making sure that the teams that are in

1418
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 3: the position to invest in their programs do that because

1419
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 3: I do feel like to a certain extent, there are

1420
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 3: certain teams that I feel bad for, Like I don't

1421
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 3: know that there's anything that anybody at Syracuse could ever

1422
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: do to help them win a national championship in football,

1423
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 3: So like changing the system or discussing and exploring ideas

1424
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 3: to the change of that system. Syracuse is still going

1425
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,919
Speaker 3: to be Syracuse because they're up in upstate New York.

1426
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 3: There's no talent up there, and you've got to get

1427
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 3: somebody to come take an official visit in the middle

1428
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 3: of the winter into a snowish elstorm and it's just

1429
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 3: far away, and it's just like that is their reality.

1430
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 3: But for the teams that are kind of on the

1431
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 3: precipice of it, like the Iowas, the Michigan's, you know,

1432
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 3: like what Clemson did, you know, let their administrations and

1433
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 3: their fans dictate the expectations for their programs. And if

1434
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 3: you invest in your program, you will see a mind improvement.

1435
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 3: And I think that's completely independent from the system that

1436
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 3: we create. And that's my opinion. Maybe that's naive, but

1437
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 3: that's kind of like the way I view this whole thing.

1438
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 3: So you know there are there are so many different

1439
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: factors when it comes to how you can do that.

1440
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,640
Speaker 3: But like Clemson is the perfect example. If Dabo got

1441
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 3: hired today and then he had the first five years

1442
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 3: of his run at Clemson, would he be fired. It's

1443
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 3: like Clemson gave him the money, the time, and they

1444
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 3: had an understanding of this is what needs to be

1445
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 3: done from a recruiting standpoint to build something and then

1446
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 3: year was it seven or eight, it finally broke through.

1447
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 3: And I know he had a ten win season early

1448
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 3: on in his career. But like Clemson was a good program,

1449
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 3: but not an elite blue blood, right, And maybe blue

1450
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 3: blood is not the right word because you have to

1451
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 3: be a blue But it's like being in a game

1452
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 3: it's getting dominated in. But they are in the discussion

1453
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 3: with the Alabamas of the world. Two years ago they

1454
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 3: were the top program in college football and they did

1455
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 3: that from sweat equity from their head coach that they

1456
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 3: gave time to actually see through his vision and they

1457
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 3: are they did it. It can be done. And I

1458
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 3: get that they're in South Carolina and they're probably a

1459
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 3: little bit closer to some teams, but like so is

1460
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 3: South Carolina and they're nowhere near that. So, like you know,

1461
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 3: Ohio State doesn't have great geography, they've got great history

1462
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 3: in an NFL draft record that makes people want to

1463
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 3: go there. I think that Arizona, Arizona State, teams near California.

1464
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 3: All the teams in the Big Twelve that have access

1465
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 3: to Texas, I think that you could make the case

1466
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 3: like even a team like Iowa Iowa State, they have

1467
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 3: access to Texas and the Midwest. I think that every

1468
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 3: team in the Power Fund, ninety percent of the teams

1469
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 3: in the Power Five, if you take out Oregon State,

1470
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 3: Washington State, Syracuse, and maybe a few others like Kansas,

1471
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 3: have the ability to do what other teams are doing

1472
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 3: if they dedicated themselves to doing it and changing the

1473
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 3: playoff system to cater to the second tier teams of

1474
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 3: the world so that they can hang up in this

1475
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 3: is we made the playoff one year because a circumstance

1476
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 3: is not what I'm interested in. I'm interested in defining

1477
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 3: who the best team is, taking out some of the

1478
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 3: subjectivity of how we define who those best teams that

1479
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 3: compete for it are, and then watching them compete on

1480
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 3: the field to see who wins it.

1481
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 2: Final question you you host a show called Stars Matter.

1482
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:14,959
Speaker 2: I believe a podcast is called Stars Matter about recruiting

1483
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 2: and the ramifications thereof evaluate your strengths and weaknesses as

1484
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 2: a father through the lens good recruiting prospect. I want

1485
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: you know, first of all, finish conclude with your star

1486
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 2: rating as a young father, because how old is your daughter?

1487
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 3: Now?

1488
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 2: We're almost six weeks in six weeks in okay, so

1489
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: you've had time, You've had a little bit of a rhythm.

1490
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 2: Give me strengths and weaknesses. Leave your wife out of it,

1491
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 2: leave your leave the mother out of it, leave the

1492
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 2: fiance out of it. Just give me you Ari Wasserman.

1493
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 2: As a strength and weakness evaluation, I.

1494
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 3: Think I'm a low tier three star, Okay, at least

1495
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 3: was at the beginning, because I had my issues. You know,

1496
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,040
Speaker 3: when she was first here, she would cry in the

1497
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 3: middle of the night, and I would like not hear

1498
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 3: it and just keep sleeping.

1499
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 2: All right, so aware the head was not on a swivel.

1500
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 2: I'm a very very deep sleeper. And like I think

1501
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: it's because I knew Britt was next to me that

1502
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 2: like I was able to like subconsciously like be like

1503
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 2: this is on you right now, like.

1504
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 3: I'm not waking up. So I've since fixed the problem.

1505
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 3: We have the baby monitor. Whenever the baby cries, I

1506
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 3: wake up. I'm not a bad person, but it took

1507
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 3: an adjustment period of I was constantly worried for the

1508
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 3: first month that I was going to mess something up.

1509
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 3: And I don't know if that's typical, but I was

1510
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 3: afraid to hold her for long periods, or to walk

1511
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 3: up and down the stairs with her in my arms,

1512
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: or making the formula or everything that you have to

1513
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 3: do for a baby. I was afraid I was going

1514
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,839
Speaker 3: to do it wrong. So after a month of reading

1515
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 3: the books and following taking care of babies on Instagram

1516
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,960
Speaker 3: and trips to the store and hiring a nanny that

1517
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 3: helps in the doula, I don't even know what these

1518
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 3: words meant.

1519
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 2: You know what a doula is too.

1520
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, four times she came over four times and she

1521
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,839
Speaker 3: taught us how to clean the bottles and to do everything.

1522
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 3: She taught me how to be a parent, you know,

1523
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 3: And it was kind of Steve Clarkson, it's your private tutor, yea. Yeah.

1524
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 3: So what I think I am is the three star

1525
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 3: prospect who had the potential who went to Michigan State

1526
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 3: and turned into a second round draft pick in year four.

1527
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 3: So like to me, like the Mark D'Antonio linebacker.

1528
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm trying to think of, like who is

1529
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 2: the quintessential? There was a guy named Max God what

1530
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:43,240
Speaker 2: was his last name?

1531
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 3: They started with a B, Max BULLA Max BULLA. That's right, Yes,

1532
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 3: that's me, you know, like or like you know what, man,

1533
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 3: maybe not linebacker. I'm I'm Connor Cook.

1534
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 2: You're Connor Cook. You're efficient, not flashy, you get the

1535
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: job done. You're you're actually probably underrated when you look

1536
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 2: back on it. And in fathers sense, Okay, I think

1537
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 2: Connor Cook is a good one.

1538
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 3: I mean everybody thinks they're a great father. I would

1539
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 3: walk in front of traffic for my baby. Of course,

1540
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 3: I love her very much. I have hours of time

1541
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 3: where I'm just staring at her, you know, like in

1542
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 3: disbelief of everything that's happened in my life in such

1543
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,600
Speaker 3: a short period of time. But you know, you do

1544
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 3: see like these superfathers that have like the front facing backpack,

1545
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 3: who like change every diaper and know everything and have

1546
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 3: all like I'm not like one of those crazy people, but.

1547
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 2: You'll get there. The front. The front facing pack is great.

1548
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. I do change the majority of the diapers because

1549
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 3: it doesn't gross me out.

1550
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 1: Dan, do you have a front facing backpack?

1551
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 2: Of course I do.

1552
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 3: I hate Dan does, and I have one. I haven't

1553
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 3: worn it yet because but like we're now in the

1554
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 3: stage where we're not freaking out. We're taking her to

1555
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 3: like coffee shops and walks and the stroller and you know,

1556
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 3: getting out there. And I feel like we're easing into

1557
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 3: it a little bit, you know. And I was in

1558
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 3: a constant state of being terrified for the far first month,

1559
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 3: and now after you know, the first month, going into

1560
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 3: the six weeks period, I feel like I'm starting to

1561
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 3: settle in and enjoy it a little bit.

1562
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 2: Diapers are great, By the way, diapers are underrated. Diapers

1563
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,440
Speaker 2: are good times.

1564
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if they as they get older, it's worse.

1565
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 3: But like our baby only weighs at seven pounds, and

1566
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 3: there's like it's like it takes thirty seconds.

1567
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 2: It takes thirty second. You have a captive audience for

1568
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 2: your goofs and your silly sounds. Yeah, yeah, fatherhood underrated.

1569
01:13:32,040 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 3: There are times, and I'm sure I'll grow out of this.

1570
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 3: But like it has hit me the hardest thing. And

1571
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 3: I'll tell this to britt to her face, so don't

1572
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,839
Speaker 3: think I'm a bad person. But when I left Columbus

1573
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 3: and I took this promotion at the Athletic that allowed

1574
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 3: me to move to Dallas and be near Brittany, the

1575
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 3: hardest thing about the adjustment period of that relationship was

1576
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,960
Speaker 3: that I had to come to terms with the idea

1577
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 3: of I can never do what I want to do

1578
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 3: without at least having a discussion about it. When I

1579
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 3: was in Ohio, if I wanted to go play poker

1580
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 3: from ten am to five am on a weeknight, I

1581
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 3: could just get in my car and go and not

1582
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 3: have to talk about it with anybody. So like my

1583
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 3: sense of freedom as a bachelor was gone. And it's

1584
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 3: not that she would say no or have a problem,

1585
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 3: but you have to at least respect your partner enough

1586
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 3: to inform them of what you want to do and

1587
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 3: it might not work with their schedule. It took me

1588
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 3: about six months to kind of like get into the

1589
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 3: groove of that, Like if I go somewhere, she has

1590
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 3: to know about it, you know, not sounding a creepy way,

1591
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 3: just in a loving you know, partnership way.

1592
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 2: Would be great. The great Tom DeLong would say, I

1593
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 2: guess this is growing up.

1594
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, But there are also people who make a

1595
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 3: ton of money in our bachelors forever and do whatever

1596
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 3: they want on their own terms their entire lives, and

1597
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 3: they're fine. And there was probably a point in time

1598
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 3: where I thought, if I just covered college football and

1599
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 3: drove all around the country and went to casinos and

1600
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 3: gambled on football and my biggest responsibility was making my rent,

1601
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 3: like that wouldn't be too bad of a life either,

1602
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 3: you know.

1603
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 2: And of course I think you'd get sick of it.

1604
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 2: I think you'd get sick of it.

1605
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, And of course when you're a single guy,

1606
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,599
Speaker 3: you always want to meet somebody and settle down. But

1607
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 3: there was a moment in time while it was I

1608
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 3: think the day of the Michigan State Michigan game, where

1609
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 3: I woke up that morning, we went on a walk

1610
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 3: with the baby, and we got coffee and did all

1611
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 3: the things, and I wanted to come home an hour

1612
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 3: before the kickoffs, look at the betting lines, get my

1613
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 3: bets in. I wanted to like get the TV set

1614
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 3: up and like this baby like Britt had to go

1615
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 3: do something. This baby was crying like crazy for no

1616
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 3: apparent reason. And I think that's the hardest thing about

1617
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 3: parenthood when your baby is crying and you can't figure

1618
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,879
Speaker 3: out why. Yep, that's a really hard thing to swallow.

1619
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 3: But I had a moment in time when I thought

1620
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 3: to myself, I am never going to get to do

1621
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 3: what I want to do when I want to do

1622
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 3: it on my terms ever again. And that was like

1623
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 3: a really crappy feeling, you know. And I'm not trying

1624
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,680
Speaker 3: to be down about it, but like, their parenthood is

1625
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 3: the greatest thing that I've ever done. I love that

1626
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 3: baby more than I love myself. I love Britney more

1627
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 3: than I love myself. I'm so blessed and so but

1628
01:16:02,200 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 3: there are some emotional growth spurts that you have, for.

1629
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 2: H don't you cut any of this?

1630
01:16:07,240 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, staying in, Yeah, this is all staying in And

1631
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 3: like everybody always just says it's gonna be great, You're

1632
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 3: gonna do great, nothing's gonna go wrong, and you're gonna

1633
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 3: be awesome at it, and it's just like there does

1634
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 3: take some personal maturation and to understand that now you

1635
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 3: live for something that's bigger than you, and you know.

1636
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 3: And I'm there and I'm happy and I'm so excited,

1637
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 3: But like I did have moments. I will tell you this.

1638
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 2: I can tell you this as for not knowing the

1639
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:37,840
Speaker 2: pain of not knowing why your child is upset, You're

1640
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 2: gonna go from not knowing to what I experienced earlier today,

1641
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 2: which was my son becoming very upset. And I went

1642
01:16:44,320 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 2: downstairs where he was eating, and my wife was there,

1643
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 2: and I was.

1644
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 3: Like, what what happened?

1645
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: What, what's wrong?

1646
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 2: What's wrong? I was like, he was really upset because

1647
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 2: his tater tot broke. And I was like, I get that.

1648
01:16:55,760 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 2: I'd rather just not know. I'd rather just not know them.

1649
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 2: And my son is emotional over his tater tod breaking

1650
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: in half.

1651
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 3: The thing too, that you have to adjust to, and

1652
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know this obviously, but when you first

1653
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 3: bring the baby home, when they cry, it is such

1654
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 3: a terrifying thing of like, oh my god, what happened?

1655
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 3: What do we have to do? It's like we got

1656
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 3: to make sure she stops crying. And like, now that

1657
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 3: she's six weeks old and I'm used to it, it's

1658
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 3: just like all her crying is is her just saying,

1659
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 3: come check on me, and like, I don't have this

1660
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 3: like fire alarm, Like if she's crying, I don't have

1661
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 3: this panic or you know, not something terrible is not happening.

1662
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,839
Speaker 3: It's just she's communicating that, Hey, I went to the bathroom,

1663
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 3: or I'm hungry, or I'm cold, or one of the

1664
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 3: five things that it could possibly be. You fix it.

1665
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 3: You lay her back down your rocker, you hold her,

1666
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 3: and then you're fine, you know. I just I'm happy

1667
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,559
Speaker 3: that I'm not walking around on pins and needles anymore.

1668
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 2: Same, it's pretty great. Was that raw?

1669
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 3: Was that too raw?

1670
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 2: Was that too rang?

1671
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 3: No?

1672
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 2: This is We're going to launch a dad podcast. You

1673
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 2: and I. Maybe you could just call me anytime you

1674
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 2: want to, anytime you want to talk about.

1675
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, Dan, you have been amongst the

1676
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 3: most supportive Yeah, because you text me all the time.

1677
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 3: How are you doing? Guy? Got the best onesie in

1678
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 3: the history of the planet. A pizza who. I think

1679
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 3: we're probably gonna throw it on here in the next

1680
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 3: week because she's big enough now. But it's just like

1681
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 3: such a weird thing to just go from single dude

1682
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 3: to responsible for a life, and it's been ninety nine

1683
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:26,840
Speaker 3: percent great. But anybody who's experienced this or will experience it,

1684
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 3: should know that there is some some stuff that you

1685
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 3: got to get through.

1686
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: Well, folks, we covered some ground here.

1687
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 3: I love the show, guys. I'm happy that you had

1688
01:18:37,200 --> 01:18:37,879
Speaker 3: a lot of God.

1689
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: From all things playoff to competitive balance or imbalance to botherhood. Ari,

1690
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: it is always a pleasure to have you on. We

1691
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 1: will do it again soon. We apologize it took us

1692
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: until November eleventh to have you back on, but.

1693
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 3: It's crunch time now. I'll take it as a compliment.

1694
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 2: I really want to do an ask us anything with

1695
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 2: Ari on the Discord channel where he just asks our

1696
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 2: community questions about home maintenance. We're just like, all right,

1697
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 2: I've got I've got seventeen questions. We've got a bunch

1698
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: of people.

1699
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 3: The best thing about this is that I don't have

1700
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 3: to do anything anymore.

1701
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 2: That's true, and I.

1702
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,799
Speaker 3: Think we're basically there now. And we have, like, for instance,

1703
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 3: the handle on our on our bedroom doors falling off.

1704
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna figure out how to tighten that.

1705
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to replace air filters. There are stuff

1706
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 2: to do that that's easy. Anybody can Okay, look at you.

1707
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: Ari Wasserman of the Athletic National College Football Reporter, great

1708
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: friend of the show. We appreciate your time as always.

1709
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 3: All Right, guys, thanks so much.

1710
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: All right, Dan, Ari Wasserman a lot to say, as

1711
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: per usual, great friend of the Solid Verbal. It's a

1712
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: pleasure to have him on, talking college football, talking life,

1713
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: talking front, facing dad backpacks.

1714
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got lots of thoughts. Maybe here's what we're

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01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,600
Speaker 2: gonna do. I think I'm gonna take more advantage of

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01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 2: Ari Wasserman's generosity with his time, and I'm just gonna

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01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 2: do like weird off season three hour live streams about

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01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 2: dad products and dad issues with Ari because he's so

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01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 2: generous with this time and he has so many strong thoughts.

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01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 2: He does that instead of putting out our twenty four

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Speaker 2: episode hour and twenty four minute episodes of The Solid

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01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 2: Verbal on random fridays that you know people are going

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Speaker 2: to listen to for a day before the next week.

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01:20:22,439 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the solution. Maybe maybe we're going to become

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Speaker 2: the ultimate dad twitch streamers.

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Speaker 1: We would encourage you all please go on out and

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Speaker 1: follow the show on Apple Podcasts. Go to Solid Giveaway

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Speaker 1: dot com if you want to throw your hat in

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Speaker 1: the ring for a chance to win an RG three

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Speaker 1: signed mini helmet. You can also go on out to

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Speaker 1: solid Saturday dot com. Many of you are listening to

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Speaker 1: this on a Friday, as you said, Dan, Saturday mornings

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01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: eleven am Eastern time. Dan and I do a live

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Speaker 1: stream for an hour before kickoff that is on our

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Oh, while you're there, don't forget to hit

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Speaker 1: subscribe in the bell and last, but certainly not least,

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Speaker 1: for Ballers dot com. Ballers dot com is the patreon

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Speaker 1: for Ballers dot com is where you can get this show,

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01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: all of our shows a little bit early. You get

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Speaker 1: access to the aforementioned discord server, in addition to all

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01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: the other bonuses and perks that we offer that esteemed

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01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: community of solid verbal patrons.

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Speaker 2: Dan, I have nothing to add. That was a wonderful time.

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01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: Lad for that guy there.

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01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 1: I'm my good friend Dan Rubinstein. For our guest of

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01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: honor today, the one, the only, the distinguished Ari Wasserman.

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Speaker 1: My name is ty hilden Brandt. We will talk to

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Speaker 1: you all after week eleven. Enjoy your weekend and stay solid.

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Speaker 2: Peace.