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Speaker 1: A right welcome man. Late Kick is live. It is

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Speaker 1: Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: It is June seventh, Canal, the year of our lawer,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Still closer to college football season, still a

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Speaker 2: long way to go, relatively speaking, at least to college

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Speaker 2: football season. And by the end of the show tonight,

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Speaker 2: we're going to give you a little update. Where do

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Speaker 2: we stand, what's our thinking, how fuller stadium is going

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Speaker 2: to be a we're going to start on time, you know,

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Speaker 2: things of that nature. I've also got to talk to

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Speaker 2: you about some things that happened while I was on vacation.

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Speaker 2: I came back, I did a little cursory glance of

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Speaker 2: essentially what you guys have been talking about. I saw

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Speaker 2: some fiery responses to something that our Bud Elliott put

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Speaker 2: out about Texas A and M, which I thought included

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Speaker 2: some pretty valid, not even necessarily questions, just points and

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Speaker 2: their points. They kind of coincide with what we've talked

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Speaker 2: about in regards to A and M on this show

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Speaker 2: for quite a while now, all the way dating back

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Speaker 2: to last year before we were even doing this show,

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Speaker 2: twenty four to seven Sports.

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Speaker 1: We'll discuss that.

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Speaker 2: We'll also discuss a viewer question that we had on

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Speaker 2: Twitter that I really didn't feel like waiting until the

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Speaker 2: Lake Cack Extra podcast to hit, so I thought it

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Speaker 2: was about time for us to talk about it anyway.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna hit that. It has to do with Auburn.

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Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about and this is probably

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Speaker 2: gonna be something that we're gonna do for the next

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Speaker 1: Just some of the.

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Speaker 2: Most important people, not necessarily players, coaches, administrators, but all

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Speaker 2: of the above most important figures in college football this year.

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Speaker 2: And I'm gonna give you the name and then a

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Speaker 2: brief reason why. We're going to kind of kick that

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Speaker 2: off tonight with Sam Howell of North Carolina. A big

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Speaker 2: name if you're a college football fan, a huge name

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Speaker 2: if you're a Tar Hill fan. But I don't think

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Speaker 2: a name that's garnered a lot of national attention. You know,

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Speaker 2: if you're just a casual observer that lives in Amarillo, Texas,

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Speaker 1: Maybe that changes this year.

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Speaker 2: But first things first, speaking of the lone star state,

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Speaker 2: let's go to Texas, specifically Texas A and M. Now

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Speaker 2: I want to take you back to last year. I

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Speaker 2: saw A and M in person several times from field level.

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Speaker 1: Last year.

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Speaker 2: I saw him at Clemson, which was about one hundred

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Speaker 2: at home against Alabama. I saw him even later in

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Speaker 2: the year in a very ugly day in multiple ways,

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Speaker 2: but I'm speaking specifically meteorologically. It was just a sloppy

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Speaker 2: move the ball, just offensively, everything that went right for them,

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Speaker 2: every first down it felt like a struggle. And you

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Speaker 2: They didn't have that. So go on vacation, and I

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Speaker 2: see that Bud Elliott put out something that is it's

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Speaker 2: But yet when you're watching in real time, you're saying,

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Speaker 1: So I remember thinking that at the time.

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Speaker 2: So there's optimism in twenty twenty, a lot of optimism,

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Speaker 2: Not only do they play in the SEC West and

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Speaker 2: And you look at it right now and you ask yourself,

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Speaker 2: and that's Auburn. And I think that's the second or

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Speaker 1: They got a back to back.

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Speaker 2: Road stretch of at Auburn at South Carolina. Not easy,

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Speaker 2: And you're just another year into Jimbo Fisher, so there's

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Speaker 2: for that reason. The potential is there. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: But there are major question marks here, major offensive question marks.

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Speaker 1: So now I want to get into this.

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Speaker 2: I saw you, guys, some of you kind of jumped

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Speaker 2: And then a lot of you asked, is this a

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Speaker 2: So with that in mind, talking about A and M

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Speaker 2: last year, this is Bud Elliott talking now. Looking at

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Speaker 2: games against Clemson, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia and LSU reveal a

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Speaker 2: troubling pattern. Texas A and M is an offense that

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Speaker 2: relies on the short pass to move football and control

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Speaker 2: To a lack of explosiveness, which was an issue throughout

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Speaker 1: Now, this is no shocking revelation.

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Speaker 2: But now we move forward because we're asking how much

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Speaker 2: Bud continues the elite defenses did not fear explosive passes

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Speaker 1: this kind of happens to a lot of teams.

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Speaker 2: But what are we saying because it continues against LSU

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Speaker 2: then after that you get the drill here. I don't

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Speaker 2: And okay, let me scroll through this list of plays

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Speaker 2: if you're a novice player, like most people are, there's

439
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Speaker 2: not really a whole lot of design. You keep going

440
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Speaker 2: with what ends up working, and you don't go so

441
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Speaker 2: much with the stuff that's not working, and you just

442
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Speaker 2: avoid altogether the plays that look weird and you don't

443
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Speaker 2: know how to run them well.

444
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Speaker 1: In football, there's a whole lot more design.

445
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Speaker 2: It's a lot more chess based in that you're trying

446
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Speaker 2: to think several moves ahead, and you have points, and

447
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 2: you have counters, and you have moves and counter moves,

448
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Speaker 2: and so you know, you got about a two or

449
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Speaker 2: three set list of here scenario A, they go this way,

450
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Speaker 2: we're going this way.

451
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Speaker 1: If they go that way, we're gonna go.

452
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Speaker 2: That way, and you sort of reassess it various points

453
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Speaker 2: throughout the game. And the point is you may have

454
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Speaker 2: a thick playbook that looks like a phone book. You

455
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Speaker 2: got a list of anywhere from about sixty to one

456
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty plays that are in your game plan

457
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Speaker 2: for that specific day. And guess who's signed off on

458
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Speaker 2: every one of them. Regardless of who's calling plays, the

459
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Speaker 2: headman has signed off on every single one of them.

460
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Speaker 2: And you've filtered out what works in practice and doesn't

461
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Speaker 2: work in practice. And that guy that you're looking at

462
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Speaker 2: right here, if you're watching on YouTube, Gus Malzon. No

463
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Speaker 2: matter who's calling plays, he signed off on it. So

464
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Speaker 2: what will it probably look like. Malson's gonna be involved.

465
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Speaker 2: You'll probably not know it unless you're privy to the headset,

466
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Speaker 2: and to my knowledge, no one else is. You may

467
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Speaker 2: not know it necessarily. But there are different ways here.

468
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Speaker 2: There are different ways in the flow of the game

469
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Speaker 2: for both guys to be involved in the play calling process.

470
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Speaker 2: A lot of staffs do it this way. One guy

471
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Speaker 2: is responsible for certain down and distance, another guy's responsible

472
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Speaker 2: and it is his specialty for third and short. One

473
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Speaker 2: guy handles red zone or red area, whatever you want

474
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Speaker 2: to call it. Maybe one guy handle he have more

475
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Speaker 2: than twenty to twenty kind of frame third down and

476
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Speaker 2: fourth or less third down in six or more you

477
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Speaker 2: may have on any given Saturday, that being in Malson's wheelhouse,

478
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Speaker 2: and he's got it when that kind of situation develops.

479
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Speaker 2: The point is there are a million and one different

480
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Speaker 2: ways that this could unfold. But no, David, in a

481
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Speaker 2: roundabout way to answer your question, I don't believe the

482
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Speaker 2: keys are solely in the hands of anyone at Auburn

483
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Speaker 2: when it comes to offense. So having said all that,

484
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Speaker 2: the next question that we're not necessarily going to answer

485
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Speaker 2: tonight is losing what you lose on the offensive line

486
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Speaker 2: and needing the leap in production that you need from

487
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Speaker 2: the quarterback position. This year, do you get those things

488
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Speaker 2: taken care of? Because I don't really know any offense

489
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Speaker 2: that's going to do a whole heck of a lot

490
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Speaker 2: as it comes to contending for an SEC championship if

491
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Speaker 2: you don't get improved play from a guy that I

492
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Speaker 2: think is capable of being a star. Bo Nicks got

493
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 2: the physical attributes, certainly didn't put up the production on

494
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Speaker 2: a consistent basis last year. You got to develop there.

495
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: Chad Morris is known for being able to develop that position.

496
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Speaker 2: But like we were just talking about a few minutes

497
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: ago with A and M, what kind of shot did

498
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Speaker 2: Kellen Mond have last year development or not? What kind

499
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 2: of shot did he have behind that offensive line? And

500
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Speaker 2: then we fast forward to this year with Auburn, will

501
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Speaker 2: we be asking the same question.

502
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Speaker 1: I mean, when they go into.

503
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Speaker 2: Big games, is the first two or three sentence summary

504
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 2: or preview rather for every Auburn game. If Auburn's offensive

505
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Speaker 2: line can hold together, then ellipses that's not necessarily a

506
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Speaker 2: place you want to be. So time will tell there.

507
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Speaker 2: We are doing something that's kind of starting tonight. It's

508
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Speaker 2: sort of a concept. I don't do any lists on here,

509
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Speaker 2: at least I don't do a whole lot of countdowns,

510
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: but I did it kind of catch some inspiration the

511
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Speaker 2: other day when we were talking about Josh Gattis, the

512
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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator at Michigan. I'm going to circle back to

513
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Speaker 2: him and probably cover him extensively in this feature before

514
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Speaker 2: too much longer. What I was thinking about just different figures.

515
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: Some are players, some are coordinators, some are strength coaches.

516
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: I mean, some may be athletic directors. But the most

517
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: important figures in the college football world any given year,

518
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Speaker 2: it's not always just a list of the Heisman candidates

519
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 2: and the most elite head coaches. So tonight we're going

520
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Speaker 2: to talk about Sam Howell a little bit. And that's

521
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Speaker 2: the concept. How about the hype here, the hype around

522
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 2: North Carolina, it's two or threefold. If you're a diehard

523
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Speaker 2: college football fan, there's hype because well, you saw how

524
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: close they came against Clemson last year. You have felt

525
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Speaker 2: the undercurrent, sort of the ground swell of momentum around

526
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Speaker 2: this program. You see what they're doing in recruiting, and

527
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Speaker 2: unlike some teams that have already peaked, North Carolina's doing

528
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Speaker 2: it within state guys, and so it stands to reason

529
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Speaker 2: they've probably got a lot more staying power with this

530
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Speaker 2: recruiting class. And that guy, Sam Howell, that's the other kicker.

531
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Speaker 2: Sam Howell is a guy who is poised to burst

532
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Speaker 2: onto the national scene this year. He's not a national

533
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Speaker 2: name yet. He's a guy a lot of college football

534
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 2: fans know. But like I said, casual fan from Tulsa, Oklahoma,

535
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Speaker 2: I don't think that they are really aware of Sam

536
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: Howell like they are Trevor Lawrence or like they would

537
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 2: be justin Field. So he's a guy who has the

538
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: skill set to insert his name into that conversation. I

539
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: was reading some stuff over with our buddies at Inside Carolina.

540
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 2: Grant Hughes had put together sort of a collection of

541
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Speaker 2: different takes on Carolina, different takes on Sam Howell, and

542
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: then his own spend and he put together some really

543
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 2: good numbers himself about what that guy's already accomplished. Do

544
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Speaker 2: you realize he's already sixth all time at North Carolina

545
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: in passing touchdowns. He was a true freshman last year.

546
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Speaker 2: That's the only year he's ever played there. He's already

547
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Speaker 2: in the top ten in a lot of offensive statistical

548
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Speaker 2: categories for a career. Pro Football Focus second most valuable

549
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Speaker 2: season from a true freshman since they've kept that stat

550
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Speaker 2: Number one is a guy you've probably heard of in

551
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Speaker 2: the same region.

552
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Speaker 1: His name is Trevor Lawrence.

553
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Speaker 2: He still plays football for the Clubs and Tigers now

554
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Speaker 2: here is what has everyone excited. What I just mentioned

555
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 2: to go along with the fact that North Carolina returns

556
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: ninety three percent of last year's rushing yards and receiving yards. Now,

557
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: consider we're talking impact the most impactful people, the most

558
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 2: important people in college football this year. Consider the impact

559
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: that this guy could have on a multitude of different fronts.

560
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: It's obvious what he could do for Carolina, but consider

561
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Speaker 2: sort of the ramifications for other teams. Some are on

562
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Speaker 2: Carolina's schedule, some maybe not. They start the season at

563
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: Central Florida. I saw five times, I believe, release some

564
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 2: lines on that the other day, maybe a three point

565
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: dog short dog North Carolina on the road to start

566
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Speaker 2: the year.

567
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Speaker 1: Interesting, you guys.

568
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Speaker 2: Have complained and complained and complaining about not enough folks

569
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Speaker 2: going into Central Florida to play them. Well Carolina does

570
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: this year. They open the season at Central Florida. Now

571
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Speaker 2: you and I both know that's a chance to knock

572
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Speaker 2: one of the perennial G five playoff content teams, at

573
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Speaker 2: least being in the conversation off in week one. So

574
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Speaker 2: there's that opportunity. But this game also matters a lot

575
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Speaker 2: for Carolina. I'm going to circle back to that in

576
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Speaker 2: a second. You know who they play in Week two?

577
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: They go back on the road kinda, they go to

578
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: a neutral site. They play Auburn in Atlanta. Speak at

579
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Speaker 2: the Tigers. So that's Week two. And do you understand

580
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: what happens in Auburn circles if that offense sputters in

581
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: Week two in Atlanta against a non conference opponent and

582
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Speaker 2: they don't have that offensive line in gear and all

583
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: of the losses that Auburn has started to suffer defensively,

584
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: they're exploited by one of, as it turns out, the

585
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 2: best quarterbacks in America. It could impact Auburn. But now

586
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 2: I want you to think about this for a second.

587
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 2: After that, it's not that they play high school teams,

588
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: but they've got a classical ACC schedule. Every game's manageable,

589
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 2: they should be favorite, and a vast majority of those

590
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 2: games they don't play Clemson in the regular season.

591
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Speaker 1: But it stands to reason if they.

592
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Speaker 2: Make it through all that will be waiting there for

593
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: them in the ACC championship game.

594
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: So look at what bookends their schedule.

595
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Speaker 2: Let's just hypothetically for a second, let's paint a path

596
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: where they make it to the conference championship game. You

597
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 2: have played a schedule here that includes Central Florida, very

598
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: reputable G five opponent, probably the most high profile that

599
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 2: you could play, and you went on the road to

600
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: play them. If you've won that game, especially if you've

601
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Speaker 2: won that one, and you've beaten Auburn, one of the

602
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: SEC big boys in Week two, and by the way,

603
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: you took it upon yourself to schedule both of these

604
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: out of conference games, and you've got Clemson at the

605
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: end of the year. Do you understand we're talking about paths,

606
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: realistic paths for Mac Brown's North Carolina tar Hills to

607
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: be a college football playoff contender a lot of time

608
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: between now and the beginning of the season. Obviously, a

609
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: lot of time between now and then. They have a

610
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: path to be a player here. Now, the path's obvious

611
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: if they go undefeated, obviously they're in. What in the

612
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: world's happened to Clemson at that point would be my question.

613
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 2: But let's pay in a different path. I want to

614
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: ask you for a second, think about how absurd it

615
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 2: would sound on the surface if I said, Hey, I

616
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: think two ACC teams could make the playoffs this year.

617
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 2: How absurd does that sound. We'll think it through. Now

618
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: this takes some help from outside the conference, but think

619
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: it through. Let's say the path I just painted up

620
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: to the ACC Championship game happens. Carolina didn't schedule down,

621
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Speaker 2: they didn't put Wofford on the schedule, they didn't open

622
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: up against Norfolk State, they went to Central Florida, they

623
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: played Auburn at a neutral site and beat them both.

624
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: Let's just say they beat them both.

625
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: And run the table and beat everyone else they're asked

626
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: to beat, and then they fall competitively to Number one

627
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: or number two Clemson in the ACC Championship game. You're

628
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: sitting there, ironically having not played the Clemson Tigers and

629
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: the regular season and may not have faced but one

630
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: ranked opponent on your entire conference schedule.

631
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Speaker 1: But because you have the combination of.

632
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: A very impressive loss and a conference championship setting against

633
00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 2: a playoff team, two very impressive wins against top twenty

634
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: caliber out of conference competition, and maybe you have a

635
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: mess in other conferences to where there are not three

636
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: other slam dunk candidates for the playoff. Maybe it's a

637
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: Big Ten, Clemson, an SEC, and then just a jumbled

638
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: mess of one and two loss teams from elsewhere that

639
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: could be the second path for them getting in there.

640
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna just tell you right now, this is

641
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: not a prediction show, especially tonight in June. But I'm

642
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: telling you right now, a lot crazier things have happened

643
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: than that scenario everyone thinks right now. And I believe

644
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 2: this now. I believe Penn State. It's said this a

645
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. Penn State is the most likely

646
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: non conference champion to make the playoff this year to me,

647
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: because of how the Big Ten sets up. But North

648
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: Carolina is also in a position, albeit over in the corner,

649
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: in a dimly lit corner at that to sit there

650
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: and have two very quality non conference wins, a competitive

651
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,719
Speaker 2: loss in a conference championship game on their resume, and

652
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 2: if you got three more undefeated, then it's a point.

653
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: But if you enter a situation where we got three

654
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: slam dunks and then that fourth spot, hey, let's just

655
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Speaker 2: juggle these balls and see which one.

656
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Speaker 1: We have in our hand when the music stops.

657
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Speaker 2: It could be one that's painted that beautiful light hue

658
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Speaker 2: of Carolina blue. Just something to think about. Sam Howell

659
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Speaker 2: is very important this year. I know Mac Brown is

660
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Speaker 2: Sam Howell is very important this year because you also

661
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Speaker 2: got to understand if either of those scenarios realistically word

662
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Speaker 2: to unfold, it means he's had a monster season, which

663
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Speaker 2: also means for those of you who care about the

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Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy not my compaty necessarily he's in New York

665
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Speaker 2: City for the Heisman Trophy ceremony as well, a Carolina quarterback.

666
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Speaker 2: Been a little while since we talked about this program

667
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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 1: Good to have him back. Let's go Q and A

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Speaker 1: before we wrap it up here.

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Speaker 2: Charles on Twitter asked, do you still think college football

671
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Speaker 2: will start on schedule more so than ever.

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Speaker 1: Charles, Yes, I do.

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Speaker 2: I think that you could probably say we reached a

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Speaker 2: critical point about.

675
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Speaker 1: Two weeks ago, week or two ago where if you

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Speaker 1: were to take.

677
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Speaker 2: Make a random poll or an anonymous poll, because no

678
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Speaker 2: one likes to go on the record, an anonymous pole

679
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: of P five power brokers, let's just say, for lack

680
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: of a better term, I think that critical mass tilted

681
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: towards the positive side, at least as it pertains to

682
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Speaker 2: us and what we.

683
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Speaker 1: Want to see happen. And I think now a lot

684
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Speaker 1: of people not only believe.

685
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: We're going to be able to start on time at

686
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Speaker 2: most places in the country, I think the bigger question

687
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: a lot of these administrators are asking is huh, well,

688
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: we continue to see states open up and we aren't

689
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Speaker 2: getting disaster stories out of there. So I wonder how

690
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Speaker 2: many people will be able to have in stands Charles,

691
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Speaker 2: That's the conversation that a lot of people when I

692
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: talk to him, that's the conversation they're having. It's not well,

693
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: we're terrified as to whether we're even going to get

694
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Speaker 2: a football season. Then it's oh, we're going to get

695
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: the season. Then it's what's it going to look like?

696
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: And how normal can we make it? And I'll tell

697
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Speaker 2: you another thing. I had to go back and see

698
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Speaker 2: which show it was. It was one month ago. It

699
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Speaker 2: was the Sunday show of this week, one month ago,

700
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Speaker 2: And I read to you a lot of headlines, and

701
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Speaker 2: I read to you a lot of the doomsday scenarios

702
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: that were being presented out there. And we refuse to

703
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Speaker 2: take that stance here for obvious reason. Even if I

704
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: believed it, I wouldn't have taken that stance. There was

705
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Speaker 2: no point in making that kind of statement in May,

706
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: and hey, there's no point in making it in June either,

707
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Speaker 2: And you'll be hard pressed to nail me to the

708
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: wall in July on it. But I said at the time,

709
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: time was on our side, and it still is. You've

710
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: still got a long way to go. Remember I read

711
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Speaker 2: you how many days were between us at that point,

712
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: and even conference media days, much less the opening of

713
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Speaker 2: any kind of camp. And so now here we sit.

714
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Speaker 2: We are in the first week or two, depending on

715
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Speaker 2: when you're watching this of June, and already it feels

716
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: like the tide is sort of tilted. That doesn't mean

717
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: that we couldn't have something incredibly negative pop up three

718
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: weeks from now that makes us look back at this

719
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: June show, this June seventh show, and say, boy, remember

720
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: how optimistic we were June seventh and now not so much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everything's still on the table.

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Speaker 2: As I told you, the first time I ever heard

723
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Speaker 2: the word coronavirus, an expert on coronavirus, I am not,

724
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: and believe it or not, I have not educated myself

725
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: to the point to call myself an expert on that.

726
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: I don't even call myself an expert on college football

727
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: on this show.

728
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: So you bet your bottom dollar I'm not a disease expert,

729
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: but I do feel good. To wrap it up with

730
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: where we are right now. Yeah, I do believe we'll

731
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Speaker 2: start on time. I believe we'll have a few fans

732
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Speaker 2: in the stands too. Last one here, this is recruiting

733
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Speaker 2: Chris in the email inbox about an hour before the show.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think JC Latham will end up?

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Speaker 2: JC Latham for those of you unfamiliar, as a five

736
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Speaker 2: star offensive tackle, he is sixty six about three oh five.

737
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Speaker 2: He's an IMG Academy down in Bradenton, Florida, as are

738
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Speaker 2: perennially many of the highest rated players in America to

739
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: quickly walk you through the backstory, cause there's been a

740
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: lot of smoke with in the last twenty four to

741
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: forty eight hours that maybe things are changing. Ohio State

742
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: has long been thought to be the leader here and

743
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: there were kind of whispers when I was on vacation

744
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: this last week, there were sort of whispers. I got

745
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: a text or two about, Hey, are you hearing stuff

746
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: with JC Latham and Alabama? And all I ever do

747
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: is text people who really know about recruiting. It's not

748
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: like these kids are talking to me. Well, in most

749
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: cases they're not. I have talked to a few mothers

750
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 2: over the past couple of weeks, nice people, but I'm

751
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: not necessarily always the one.

752
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: With the scoop.

753
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 2: But luckily those people who do have it have their

754
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: numbers securely stored in my phone here, which reminds me.

755
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: Check out the Wilfong recruiting whip around on the twenty

756
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: four seven Sports YouTube channel. Every week, the over under

757
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: for how many names he's going to put into that

758
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen minute video or like one hundred and

759
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: a half, and he normally hits the over, So I

760
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 2: start asking around, Yeah, there was some smoke last week,

761
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 2: especially late, and then I get back and then lo

762
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 2: and behold, last forty eight to twenty four hours, you've seen,

763
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: whether it be over on our Alabama site Bama online

764
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 2: dot com, over on the roundtable, I've seen updates and

765
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: it's VIP content. If you're not already subscribed, why in

766
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 2: the world are you, guys not subscribed? It's the most

767
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 2: insane value in all of sports. So subscribe. You'll see

768
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: what Tim Watts is supposed to be over there.

769
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: You'll see what Hank South has posted over there.

770
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: The guys at buck Nuts and I was on that

771
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: side a lot today trying to get the temperature in

772
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: the field. They've posted several updates. You are very rarely

773
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 2: left in the dark with this stuff, unless a kid

774
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: just intentionally misleads everyone. Very rarely, with the network of

775
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: experts we have here, are you left in the dark.

776
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: You're gonna know what's going on.

777
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: So with Latham right now, Hey, I'm gonna follow the

778
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: tea leaves and I'm gonna say Alabama, but I'll also

779
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: say this what I found more interesting than just where

780
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna go. And by the way, the

781
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: feeling the overall cinemon I gathered is if it's Alabama,

782
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: it's sooner rather than later, So stay tuned on that one.

783
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: I don't know anything, like sometimes we've edited videos for kids,

784
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 2: and I know I'll never tell you, but sometimes I

785
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: don't know anything right now. So what I found interesting

786
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: was I was over on our buck Nuts site and

787
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: I was looking, and I appreciate diehard fans, educated diehard fans,

788
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 2: because as much as the casual observers looking at Ohio

789
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: State's recruiting class right now and they're saying, oh Man,

790
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: Buckeye's by ten miles this cycle, and hey, it may be,

791
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: I'd certainly think they're the overwhelming favorite to finish with

792
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: the top class. The difference between the casual observer and

793
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: the informed observer can be found and measured pretty succinctly

794
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: if you scroll up and down that Ohio State message

795
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: board there, specifically on buck Nuts, and you look at

796
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: how seriously those folks are taking the idea that they

797
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: may lose JC Latham to Alabama and their problem. Whereas

798
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: the casual observer would say, what's your problem, You're still

799
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 2: going to have the number one class. Just as much

800
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: as the casual observer sees it that way. Ohio State

801
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: fans have the correct perception and the correct lens with

802
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: which to look at these situations through. It's the one

803
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: we've talked about on this show when we're talking about

804
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: any of the elite teams. Ohio State knows they can

805
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: out recruit the Big ten by fifty miles, and at

806
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: the end of the process, it's still going to be

807
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: nip and tuck, raise or blaze thin margins here and

808
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: there at various position units between themselves and Alabama and

809
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,760
Speaker 2: Clemson whoever else happens to be in the college Football playoff,

810
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: and they know I saw a guy actually on the

811
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 2: board say, you know, I can explain it no better

812
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: than this. Imagine if we're playing Clemson in the Fiesta Bowl.

813
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: Last year they got a big league Clemson came back

814
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: and won. What happens if Clemson has one less five

815
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: star offensive tackle. What happens if Chase Young gets a

816
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: free release around the age one more time and has

817
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: one more chance to cause one more fumble or one

818
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: more negative play. That could be the difference between us

819
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: being eliminated and a heartbreaker versus us going on to

820
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: play for and winning a national championship. That's how it works.

821
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: That's how it works. You want to know why these

822
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: folks take recruiting so seriously, that's it. If you're looking

823
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: to go eight and five, if you're looking to win

824
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: the division, maybe what they're doing is good enough. And

825
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: what they're doing right now, if they're consistent about it,

826
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: it's going to be good enough to eventually win a

827
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: national championship. But the whole point is good enough is

828
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: not what these Tier one teams are looking for. They

829
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: want to outpace everyone, and they want to consistently do it.

830
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: And as much as you're looking at the kids that

831
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: they're gonna get, I respect the heck out of those

832
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 2: folks on the button Nott site that are saying and

833
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: this is not over yet. But if they lose Latham

834
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 2: perceptionally to Alabama, they look at it as, oh man,

835
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: there's one more opportunity if we got a razor thin

836
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: margin in a playoff game, there's one more opportunity where

837
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: we could have a strip, sack and a fumble when

838
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 2: we're in the red zone seventeen seventeen, mid third quarter

839
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: that a five star offensive tackle would not have allowed

840
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: to happen.

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