WEBVTT - Ché Ahn - Oct 23 - 9:00 am 0:00:00.130 --> 0:00:01.950 And he wakes me up at 6 in the morning. 0:00:02.470 --> 0:00:04.700 And I know when God wakes me up because I'm 0:00:04.740 --> 0:00:07.700 wide awake. And I said, please, God, let me just sleep. 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:11.400 But he spoke to my heart. I said, okay, what 0:00:11.420 --> 0:00:13.020 do you want to tell me? And he said, Lou 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:15.620 has served you all these years. I went to lay 0:00:15.660 --> 0:00:18.210 down and served him. You can get a hotel room 0:00:18.329 --> 0:00:21.610 for $ 19 or a port-a-potty for $ 40. 0:00:21.550 --> 0:00:23.510 Yeah, you might as well just sleep in the port-a-potty. 0:00:23.710 --> 0:00:24.470 Exactly. 0:00:24.530 --> 0:00:25.370 Take advantage of the cost. 0:00:25.390 --> 0:00:25.750 Yeah, right. 0:00:26.190 --> 0:00:28.210 Again, I didn't know what to expect because this was 0:00:28.270 --> 0:00:31.750 the first call. But as the sun peeked over the horizon, 0:00:32.810 --> 0:00:34.450 I saw a sea of people as far as the 0:00:34.550 --> 0:00:37.550 eye can see. Hey everyone, welcome to the Honest Podcast. 0:00:37.990 --> 0:00:40.270 Our main goal here is to reach and impact as 0:00:40.350 --> 0:00:45.060 many people as possible. So please like, subscribe, but most importantly, 0:00:45.260 --> 0:00:47.660 share this with as many people as you can who 0:00:47.700 --> 0:00:51.080 you think it'll encourage. We greatly appreciate it. And now 0:00:51.120 --> 0:01:16.770 on to the show. Dad, it is good to be 0:01:16.830 --> 0:01:21.360 with you again. I was thinking this podcast is another 0:01:21.580 --> 0:01:23.680 excuse to spend time with you. And any time I 0:01:23.700 --> 0:01:25.900 get to spend time with you is a good time. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.899 It's mutual. I mean, what an honor to be with you. 0:01:29.060 --> 0:01:32.720 I long for the times with you and with the grandkids, 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.380 especially during this season that I'm running for governor. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.789 Absolutely. Family is so important. And speaking of family, one 0:01:39.850 --> 0:01:42.290 of the things that was on my heart to talk 0:01:42.330 --> 0:01:42.940 about today was. 0:01:44.510 --> 0:01:47.710 Based on Malachi 4, 5, and 6, which says that 0:01:47.770 --> 0:01:49.270 in the last days, you're going to turn the hearts 0:01:49.330 --> 0:01:51.280 of the fathers. And we say mothers to the sons 0:01:51.340 --> 0:01:53.280 and daughters and turn the hearts of the sons and 0:01:53.300 --> 0:01:55.960 daughters to the fathers and mothers. And that has been 0:01:55.980 --> 0:02:00.280 such a significant verse or really passage in our life 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.420 because we've noticed and seen the father's heart and the 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.179 spirit of reconciliation. Of course, you shared your testimony of 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.050 how the Lord healed your heart and your relationship with 0:02:11.090 --> 0:02:14.160 your own father. But the reason why that stands out 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:21.140 to me is because that really powerful verse was really 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:25.690 fulfilled in many ways. It's still being fulfilled, but through 0:02:25.750 --> 0:02:31.190 the call DC, which I'll never forget September 2nd, 2000. 0:02:31.190 --> 0:02:33.770 And we'll talk about the event itself, but I wanted 0:02:33.830 --> 0:02:36.329 to share, have you share a little bit about what 0:02:36.410 --> 0:02:38.890 led up to the event and the journey, because it 0:02:38.930 --> 0:02:40.910 was another divine assignment that God had given you. 0:02:40.930 --> 0:02:41.310 Yeah. 0:02:41.700 --> 0:02:43.260 So can you share a little bit about that? And 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:45.620 then I'll kind of chime in and share my perspective 0:02:46.100 --> 0:02:46.500 as well. 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:48.980 Right. Well, first of all, I just really want to 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.880 honor Lou Engle. He's the one who got the vision 0:02:51.990 --> 0:02:56.390 for it. So back in 1997, I just think the context, 0:02:56.450 --> 0:03:00.690 our church was only three years old. We started HIM 0:03:00.790 --> 0:03:04.869 in 96. And Lou started a house of prayer in 0:03:04.870 --> 0:03:06.660 96 that went from 96 to 1999, three years of 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:12.429 24-7 prayer. was that during this time that the Promise 0:03:12.490 --> 0:03:16.530 Keepers with Coach McCartney mobilized a million people to come 0:03:16.570 --> 0:03:18.980 to Washington, D.C. Mall. And it was on the front 0:03:19.020 --> 0:03:21.260 page of every newspaper, a million men. 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:22.459 Men, yeah, I remember. 0:03:22.700 --> 0:03:26.340 And he came running into the prayer meeting and he said, Che, 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.859 I feel that this is a partial fulfillment of Malachi 0:03:29.900 --> 0:03:32.480 chapter 4, 5, and 6. He's turning the hearts of 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.590 the fathers to the children. And I feel God's asking 0:03:35.650 --> 0:03:38.890 me to mobilize young people to do the counterpart to 0:03:38.930 --> 0:03:42.700 mobilize the the hearts of the children to their parents 0:03:43.620 --> 0:03:46.760 and to God the Father. And immediately I knew it 0:03:46.780 --> 0:03:48.490 was the word of the Lord. I said, Lou, that's 0:03:48.530 --> 0:03:51.270 a great idea, but if you want to target youth, 0:03:51.410 --> 0:03:54.290 I just said you need to find someone that has 0:03:54.350 --> 0:03:56.650 a real voice for the young people and can mobilize. 0:03:57.370 --> 0:04:00.130 And I suggested Ron Luce of Teen Mania because that 0:04:00.150 --> 0:04:04.250 was the largest youth ministry at that time. And actually 0:04:04.290 --> 0:04:08.810 he took that to heart. But several things happened that 0:04:10.140 --> 0:04:13.360 really confirmed that we were to do this because he 0:04:13.380 --> 0:04:15.780 started to preach on Malachi 4, 5, and 6 all 0:04:15.820 --> 0:04:17.620 over the country. He would travel and say, we have 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.230 to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, 0:04:19.250 --> 0:04:22.390 hearts of the children to the fathers. And what he 0:04:22.430 --> 0:04:27.110 was doing was trying to plant the seed to mobilize 0:04:27.130 --> 0:04:32.100 young people. And so sometime around 1998, a woman came 0:04:32.180 --> 0:04:35.840 out to him who ended up becoming a tremendous benefactor 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.969 for him and for the cult. Her name was Willie, 0:04:39.230 --> 0:04:39.950 Grandma Willie. 0:04:39.990 --> 0:04:40.750 I remember, yeah. 0:04:41.070 --> 0:04:42.970 And she came up to him and she said, have 0:04:42.990 --> 0:04:47.980 you ever thought about putting a million children on the 0:04:48.010 --> 0:04:50.840 mall like the promise keepers? And he said, lady, that's 0:04:50.860 --> 0:04:52.800 what I've been preaching for the last year and a half. 0:04:52.820 --> 0:04:53.120 Affirmation. 0:04:53.180 --> 0:04:55.660 Yeah. And she said, I want to write you a 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.440 check to sow into it. And she wrote a check 0:04:58.460 --> 0:05:02.690 for $ 50, 000 and said, I'm sending another check for $ 50, 000. 0:05:01.310 --> 0:05:04.150 And she gave it to him. And he comes running 0:05:04.270 --> 0:05:06.770 to me and said, I got a confirmation. I got 0:05:06.810 --> 0:05:07.390 the first check. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:08.779 Unbelievable. 0:05:08.860 --> 0:05:10.820 I joke about this now. I said, Lou, give me 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:11.740 the check you're going to lose. 0:05:11.779 --> 0:05:12.539 Exactly. 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.040 Because he did nothing administrative in our church. Sure, sure. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.320 He was pathetic. So we opened up an account, and 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.460 we came up with a call based on Joel 2, 0:05:22.460 --> 0:05:26.440 verse 12, actually going down to verse 15, call for 0:05:26.460 --> 0:05:30.250 a solemn assembly. And then verse 28 of Joel 2, 28, 0:05:30.250 --> 0:05:33.270 and afterwards I'll pour out my spirit upon all flesh. 0:05:33.310 --> 0:05:36.590 But verse 12 says return to the Lord with all 0:05:36.610 --> 0:05:40.150 your heart. with weeping, fasting, and mourning. Blow the trumpet 0:05:40.210 --> 0:05:42.410 in Zion, verse 15. So we knew it was a 0:05:42.450 --> 0:05:46.820 day of prayer and fasting. And so we loved the idea, 0:05:46.940 --> 0:05:49.420 the great vision. And so Lou started to look for 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.560 someone that would take the helm of the leadership of 0:05:53.580 --> 0:05:53.980 the call. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.900 Before, this is very significant, what you're about to say, 0:05:57.940 --> 0:06:01.400 because it impacts, it impacted my life and our family. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:05.870 But before you share that part, why do you think 0:06:06.470 --> 0:06:10.170 this verse, this passage, Malachi chapter 4, 5, and 6, 0:06:10.170 --> 0:06:13.830 is so pertinent. And this is, by the way, like 0:06:13.870 --> 0:06:20.100 we said, the late 90s, the event was September 2, 2000. 0:06:20.100 --> 0:06:22.860 But even today, as we film this, this is such 0:06:22.900 --> 0:06:27.240 a significant verse or passage. What is your take on 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.620 why this is? Because this is Old Testament and Joel, right? 0:06:31.190 --> 0:06:36.130 And Old Testament, Malachi, So why is this particular passage 0:06:36.170 --> 0:06:38.950 so important for our society today? 0:06:39.210 --> 0:06:42.930 Well, everything changed after World War II. Okay. And so 0:06:42.950 --> 0:06:45.450 you had a lot of family values in the 50s. 0:06:45.890 --> 0:06:48.839 And the divorce rate was on out of eight marriages 0:06:48.940 --> 0:06:53.560 in the 50s. But it skyrocketed in the 60s. I 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.560 really attribute it to some of the bills we passed. 0:06:55.580 --> 0:06:58.560 We took prayer out of school, for example, Engel versus 0:06:58.620 --> 0:07:03.680 Vitale in 62. We took the Bible out in 63. 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:06.980 And then, of course, the sexual revolution took place in 0:07:06.980 --> 0:07:12.360 67 and abortion on demand. And then Roe v. 0:07:12.380 --> 0:07:14.490 Wade in 73. 0:07:14.490 --> 0:07:17.850 But the family was under a tremendous attack. And so 0:07:17.930 --> 0:07:20.710 in the 60s, the divorce rate doubled from one out 0:07:20.730 --> 0:07:23.590 of eight to one out of four. Today is five 0:07:23.670 --> 0:07:26.130 out of nine. And we're just talking about America. We're 0:07:26.150 --> 0:07:29.150 not talking about other nations. Like I've been to Russia. 0:07:29.530 --> 0:07:32.250 We have around 150 churches in our network in Russia. 0:07:33.300 --> 0:07:37.700 And many of the pastors of my generation didn't have 0:07:37.740 --> 0:07:41.380 a father because they died in World War II. And 0:07:41.460 --> 0:07:45.910 so millions in Europe died. And think about it, 80 0:07:45.910 --> 0:07:48.610 million died in World War II. But the majority of 0:07:48.650 --> 0:07:52.550 them were civilian women and children. So even people's families 0:07:52.590 --> 0:07:55.809 were cut off. But definitely soldiers died. And of course, 0:07:56.350 --> 0:07:59.650 the Russian soldiers It was devastating for them and for 0:07:59.670 --> 0:08:02.570 the German men, those two nations above all the other men, 0:08:02.610 --> 0:08:05.780 more than Great Britain, more than France. And so you 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.660 go to, and so what happened, the next generation, they 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.040 would be like my dad's generation. They grew up without 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.940 a dad because they was lost in the war. And 0:08:14.980 --> 0:08:20.720 they were so broken. And because they were just looking 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.290 for something to fill up their emptiness, a nation turned 0:08:24.330 --> 0:08:28.270 to vodka and they were a nation of alcoholics. I've 0:08:28.350 --> 0:08:32.809 met men with literally no fingers because they were so 0:08:32.870 --> 0:08:36.010 drunk in Siberia, they got frostbitten and didn't even know 0:08:36.070 --> 0:08:38.030 it and had gangrene and they have had to be 0:08:38.210 --> 0:08:41.350 amputated or they just lost their limbs. And when you 0:08:41.390 --> 0:08:44.689 hug them, it was just weird to have people with stumps. 0:08:45.429 --> 0:08:48.010 And it wasn't just one or two people. It was 0:08:48.030 --> 0:08:52.490 a whole nation of those who were orphaned. And so 0:08:52.550 --> 0:08:56.620 even though they had a father, my generation, they were alcoholics, 0:08:56.650 --> 0:08:59.550 so they were missing. And then, yeah. But in the 0:08:59.570 --> 0:09:02.720 midst of this, God brings revival to the Russians. And 0:09:02.740 --> 0:09:04.859 he did that with us, with the Jesus People Movement. 0:09:05.340 --> 0:09:07.200 I think God really heard the prayers of all the 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.720 moms who were suffering during that time, during the radical 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.300 60s and 70s, where they were losing their kids to 0:09:13.340 --> 0:09:18.020 drugs and alcohol, the whole hippie drug culture. And I 0:09:18.059 --> 0:09:21.400 think God heard their prayers because in 67, at the 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.280 peak of this, the Jesus People Movement starts. And one 0:09:25.300 --> 0:09:28.110 of the things that... comes out of that movement is 0:09:28.330 --> 0:09:31.460 tremendous ministries like Focus on the Family with James Dobson 0:09:31.900 --> 0:09:36.100 to focus on men's issue, promise keepers comes into form 0:09:36.900 --> 0:09:40.900 with Coach McCartney, who is a top national football champion 0:09:41.020 --> 0:09:45.760 with Colorado and University of Colorado. And he began to 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.630 realize that men needed to get right with God and 0:09:49.670 --> 0:09:53.650 turn their hearts towards home and prioritize the family. So 0:09:53.700 --> 0:09:56.420 God did that as a counterpart to all the brokenness 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.069 that was happening. So we were truly that he did 0:09:59.110 --> 0:10:02.390 send the prophet Elijah before the great and terrible day 0:10:02.410 --> 0:10:04.819 of the Lord. That's the way the verse, and that 0:10:04.900 --> 0:10:06.860 anointing will turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:10.679 hearts of the children to the fathers. Why Elijah? Elijah 0:10:10.700 --> 0:10:14.600 was a revivalist. He confronted the prophets of Baal on 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.540 Mount Carmel in 1 Kings 18, and we see how 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:21.540 revival broke out. when the sacrifice consumed the sacrifice that 0:10:21.580 --> 0:10:25.040 he offered, and all of Israel, northern kingdom, not southern kingdom, 0:10:25.100 --> 0:10:27.780 all of Israel said, the Lord, he is God. We're 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.040 talking about everyone got saved. And it was a tremendous revival. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.700 So God says, I'm going to the last days before 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.060 the great and terrible day. So there's two comings of 0:10:36.100 --> 0:10:39.040 Elijah before the great, which is the first coming. And 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.030 we know Jesus said that John the Baptist had that mantle. 0:10:43.090 --> 0:10:47.110 He is the Elijah to come. But before the terrible 0:10:47.150 --> 0:10:50.230 day before the judgment, and we're in that period that 0:10:50.270 --> 0:10:53.340 he's going to judge the sheep nations from the goat nations, 0:10:53.580 --> 0:10:57.140 and that, you know, now we as believers don't have 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.460 to face that, although we have to face the judgment 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.110 seat of Christ, which is for believers only, and we 0:11:03.140 --> 0:11:07.969 will get our rewards, but there'll be various types of rewards. So, 0:11:08.790 --> 0:11:13.030 but before that terrible day, he's going to send the mantle. 0:11:13.110 --> 0:11:15.590 And I believe it's not just on an individual, it's 0:11:15.650 --> 0:11:18.870 on the ecclesia, the church. And the church is going 0:11:18.890 --> 0:11:22.390 to turn the hearts of the people to their fathers, 0:11:23.030 --> 0:11:26.540 God the Father first, and that we're the revival generation. 0:11:27.300 --> 0:11:31.520 So I really believe that ever since Jesus poured out 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.280 his spirit on the day of Pentecost, we've been fulfilling 0:11:34.380 --> 0:11:37.679 this call. Of course, the devil knows that if he 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.740 attacks the family, Think about it. In Genesis 1, the 0:11:40.780 --> 0:11:43.960 first institution he establishes the family, he created the male 0:11:43.980 --> 0:11:46.960 and female. And even to this day, we're trying to 0:11:46.980 --> 0:11:50.780 redefine it as, you know, 54 genders with Facebook and, 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.290 you know, Biden had 84 in the Health and Human 0:11:54.330 --> 0:11:58.890 Service Department. But when there's clearly just male and female, 0:11:58.950 --> 0:12:00.850 two genders, that's the word of God. That's the truth. 0:12:01.350 --> 0:12:05.089 I mean, XY chromosome for men, XX for women, and 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:09.790 that's science. But we have just absolutely thrown out the 0:12:09.870 --> 0:12:12.250 truth of God's word and we've just come up with 0:12:12.309 --> 0:12:14.710 our own genders and you could be a kitty cat. 0:12:15.130 --> 0:12:16.809 You don't even have to be human. You know, if 0:12:16.850 --> 0:12:19.459 you think you're a bunny rabbit at school, we'll give you, 0:12:19.530 --> 0:12:19.860 you know. 0:12:20.179 --> 0:12:24.440 Yeah, I heard, I think it was a comedian that 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.640 I follow. He was saying that he took his kid 0:12:26.660 --> 0:12:31.040 to school and one of his kid's classmates came as 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.080 a lion. And he was shocked because he acted like 0:12:35.100 --> 0:12:37.179 a lion. He sounded like a lion. He roared like 0:12:37.220 --> 0:12:40.230 a lion. And he just thought, this is so ridiculous. But, 0:12:40.929 --> 0:12:43.370 you know, in this particular school, he had to respect 0:12:43.410 --> 0:12:47.370 the fact that this other person's child wanted to identify 0:12:47.490 --> 0:12:50.010 as a lion. So that's an extreme example. But your 0:12:50.050 --> 0:12:53.180 point is, is that from the very beginning. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.320 It's not extreme because now it used to be the 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.080 gay lesbian club because there are two types of genders. 0:12:59.100 --> 0:13:03.500 You know, you're either homosexual or heterosexual. But now it's 0:13:03.540 --> 0:13:06.580 called Just Be You Club, whatever you want to be. 0:13:07.250 --> 0:13:10.089 As long as you feel it, it's right. And not 0:13:10.150 --> 0:13:12.490 based on signs, not based on the Word of God. 0:13:13.030 --> 0:13:14.969 Because when you take God out of the picture, most 0:13:15.010 --> 0:13:17.970 of these are humanists and secular humanists. When you take 0:13:18.010 --> 0:13:22.089 God out, then His creation means nothing. His Word means nothing. 0:13:22.130 --> 0:13:24.350 The truth of God's Word means nothing. And you can 0:13:24.370 --> 0:13:26.180 do and make up whatever you want to make up. 0:13:27.010 --> 0:13:29.640 And that's what we're seeing in our society because God's 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.140 been taken out of the picture. Now, thank God there 0:13:32.220 --> 0:13:35.700 is revival coming. And so we're seeing some sanity come back. 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:41.060 But Going back to the call, though, we saw that 0:13:41.100 --> 0:13:42.980 God was turning the hearts of the fathers to the children. 0:13:43.059 --> 0:13:45.679 It was a tremendous move of the Holy Spirit. And 0:13:45.700 --> 0:13:48.450 Lou Engel came running into the prayer meeting with the 0:13:48.490 --> 0:13:52.770 front page of the USA Today and showed big headlines. 0:13:53.190 --> 0:13:55.410 He would always bring newspaper articles. 0:13:55.429 --> 0:13:58.290 There was no Facebook or social media or, hey, look 0:13:58.330 --> 0:13:59.890 at my phone. This is one of my Apple news. Exactly. 0:13:59.980 --> 0:14:04.060 No, he brought the USA Today, a million-member on, a Washington, D.C. mom. 0:14:05.050 --> 0:14:06.949 And he said, Jay, this is a partial fulfillment of 0:14:06.970 --> 0:14:11.650 Malachi 4. I feel God's calling me to mobilize young people. 0:14:12.580 --> 0:14:15.400 And I said, Lou, I bear witness, even though our age, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.060 we're not, you know, we made a covenant when we 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.160 started Harvest Rock Church in 94 to reach the next generation. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.460 So I figured that's part of it, even though Lou's 0:14:23.540 --> 0:14:27.140 older than me at that time. And yet I said 0:14:27.180 --> 0:14:30.620 to him, I said, just Lou, my recommendation, because he 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.570 asked me if I would run with him. And I said, Lou, 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:37.260 We just started a church just a few years ago. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:41.440 HM just started about one year ago. And for me 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.240 to drop everything, because this will take full time, what 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.060 I want to encourage you is to have someone who 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.200 already has a voice for the young people. And at 0:14:50.260 --> 0:14:53.120 that time, Team Mania was the largest youth ministry, so 0:14:53.180 --> 0:14:56.120 I recommended him talk to Ron Luce, who's a good friend. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.400 He helped us with the call later on. Of course, 0:14:58.460 --> 0:15:02.260 he was very much involved in the call. But But Ron, 0:15:02.300 --> 0:15:05.370 we met him just being part of the whole charismatic movement. 0:15:06.010 --> 0:15:10.490 And he did. Lou talked to Ron. And Ron said 0:15:10.530 --> 0:15:12.690 to him, as I recall, he said, Lou, this is 0:15:12.730 --> 0:15:14.850 the word of the Lord, but I'm not called to 0:15:14.890 --> 0:15:16.690 do it. You have to find someone else. 0:15:16.830 --> 0:15:18.810 I love that. This is the word of the Lord. 0:15:19.130 --> 0:15:21.110 Go for it. But I'm not to be part of 0:15:21.210 --> 0:15:24.030 it at that time. But sometimes that's how it is, right? 0:15:24.130 --> 0:15:26.280 It is, absolutely. You bless what God is doing, but 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.540 you have to really ask the Holy Spirit if you're 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.960 supposed to play a role in it. But because he 0:15:31.010 --> 0:15:34.320 wasn't the one to help Papa Lou, I called him 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:40.220 Papa Lou back then, guess who he asked in replacement 0:15:40.300 --> 0:15:44.520 or as almost like a plan B? He approached you, right? 0:15:44.580 --> 0:15:45.060 He asked you. 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.280 Well, he asked me early on, and I denied him. 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:48.820 But he came back to you after. 0:15:48.660 --> 0:15:53.400 He— No, he was really— honestly, he asked almost everyone before 0:15:53.420 --> 0:15:55.860 he came back to me because he struck out. He 0:15:56.000 --> 0:16:00.040 asked— Bill bribed with someone in Campus Crusade for Christ. He 0:16:00.110 --> 0:16:04.130 asked someone in YWAM. He asked for people that, you know, 0:16:04.170 --> 0:16:07.870 Student Adventure, which is the youth group of Campus Crusade. 0:16:07.910 --> 0:16:11.230 He asked the president of that organization. And so he 0:16:11.270 --> 0:16:13.530 finally came out and he said, I just have to 0:16:13.570 --> 0:16:14.520 take it. I'm going to do it. 0:16:14.830 --> 0:16:15.450 Just on his own? 0:16:15.550 --> 0:16:15.960 On his own. 0:16:15.970 --> 0:16:17.200 He came to that conclusion. Okay. 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:21.300 But what happened was disastrous. And he actually had a 0:16:21.340 --> 0:16:23.480 dream that he was on an airplane and he was crashing. 0:16:23.540 --> 0:16:24.040 Oh, my goodness. 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:28.030 But it took off. And... And I don't know the 0:16:28.070 --> 0:16:30.130 sequence of the dream if it happened after, but let 0:16:30.170 --> 0:16:32.110 me tell you what happened to me. So it was 0:16:32.270 --> 0:16:37.040 October 1999, and we're shooting for September the 2nd, 2000. 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:41.540 So we're talking about less than a year left. And 0:16:42.940 --> 0:16:45.850 I'm in San Diego speaking at a Korean church doing 0:16:45.950 --> 0:16:49.170 a healing evangelistic meeting. By the way, that's when Lance 0:16:49.190 --> 0:16:49.910 Kim got saved. 0:16:50.490 --> 0:16:51.590 Oh, that was the time. 0:16:51.790 --> 0:16:54.270 October of 1999. He's now one of our elders. 0:16:54.330 --> 0:16:55.910 Yeah, he's still faithful. 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.640 He was an alcoholic, owned a liquor store. And now, 0:16:59.660 --> 0:17:03.920 you know, he's a businessman with IT and just tremendously successful. 0:17:04.780 --> 0:17:07.880 But I'll never forget that because he was the one 0:17:07.900 --> 0:17:11.460 who came forward. It was a Korean church. And his 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.350 sister is a believer, and she invited him to the service. 0:17:14.670 --> 0:17:16.930 I mean, that's another example of turning the hearts of 0:17:16.970 --> 0:17:18.750 the fathers to the children. Because to this day, he 0:17:18.790 --> 0:17:19.670 calls you Papa Che. 0:17:19.710 --> 0:17:22.260 You're like a father to him. Oh, yeah. I fathered 0:17:22.300 --> 0:17:23.280 him that day. Yeah. 0:17:23.540 --> 0:17:25.580 During that time where the Lord was speaking to you 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.180 about Malachi 4, 5, and 6. 0:17:27.180 --> 0:17:29.220 So that was Friday night, landscape of his life. I 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.300 was going to speak Saturday night and then drive up 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:34.260 that night back to Pasadena. And so I'm just one 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.199 night at a hotel. And I wake up at the 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.159 hotel Saturday morning at 6 in the morning. Now, I 0:17:39.180 --> 0:17:41.770 don't have to preach in the morning. I was exhausted 0:17:41.810 --> 0:17:44.250 from ministering late and Friday night. I was going to 0:17:44.310 --> 0:17:48.149 sleep in and work out and just have time with 0:17:48.170 --> 0:17:50.389 the Lord. And he wakes me up at six in 0:17:50.430 --> 0:17:53.040 the morning. And I know when God wakes me up 0:17:53.220 --> 0:17:56.100 because I'm wide awake. And I said, please, God, let 0:17:56.119 --> 0:18:00.200 me just sleep. But he spoke to my heart. I said, OK, 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:01.940 what do you want to tell me? He said, Lou 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.540 has served you all these years. I went to lay 0:18:04.580 --> 0:18:08.770 down and serve him. And it was of the Lord. So. 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:15.369 So I made a commitment, talked to Mom. 0:18:15.609 --> 0:18:18.570 Because just to give context, Lou was one of the 0:18:18.609 --> 0:18:22.250 first people, after Mom, of course, that you said, would 0:18:22.290 --> 0:18:25.230 you pray about moving from D.C., which is where you 0:18:25.260 --> 0:18:26.060 were living at the time. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.140 He's been a prophet in my life for 42 years. 0:18:29.420 --> 0:18:31.680 And we talked about this, I think, in a previous episode, 0:18:31.700 --> 0:18:34.760 but him and Therese, I don't think they had any 0:18:34.780 --> 0:18:36.840 children even at the time, but they moved with you 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.490 from the East Coast, from Washington, D.C., to Los Angeles. 0:18:40.530 --> 0:18:45.010 And so from that day, really, of moving and committing 0:18:45.170 --> 0:18:47.330 to serve you, he had served you. That's what you 0:18:47.350 --> 0:18:50.090 mean by Louis served you for all these years. 0:18:50.170 --> 0:18:52.669 Yes. As a pastor, as a prophetic voice. Well, we 0:18:52.690 --> 0:18:54.830 came out in 84. We started the House of Prayer 0:18:54.890 --> 0:18:57.130 back in those days at 6 o'clock in the morning. 0:18:57.190 --> 0:18:59.149 Now it's at 530. And here we are. 0:18:59.190 --> 0:19:00.369 It's like 15 years later. 0:19:00.390 --> 0:19:03.909 Yeah. Well, it's been over 40 years. We still have 0:19:03.950 --> 0:19:04.930 really more in prayer meetings. 0:19:05.010 --> 0:19:05.830 Well, to this day, yeah. 0:19:05.850 --> 0:19:08.409 To this day, because of Louis got the timing of 0:19:08.450 --> 0:19:08.949 the shooting. 0:19:09.050 --> 0:19:11.800 But But at that moment when you had that encounter 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:16.020 with the Lord in 1999, He had served you maybe 14, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:16.280 15 years. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.780 All through the 80s. Now we're in the 90s. And 0:19:18.820 --> 0:19:21.760 now it's 1999. Wow. October. 0:19:22.260 --> 0:19:23.980 So what did that mean for you when you heard 0:19:24.020 --> 0:19:24.859 the Holy Spirit say this? 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:26.850 I knew it was of the Lord. And so I 0:19:27.230 --> 0:19:31.129 talked to Mom. And then I shared with you guys 0:19:31.230 --> 0:19:33.410 before I shared with Lou. Because I knew I would 0:19:33.430 --> 0:19:37.230 be leaving the kids. Especially Mary, because she was a senior. 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:43.660 at Maranatha High School, and she was president of her class. 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.550 It really hurt her because I was gone the most 0:19:46.609 --> 0:19:49.389 important year when she's winning all these awards and getting 0:19:49.650 --> 0:19:53.040 all these accolades. When I said, I feel I'm called 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.880 to drop the church and HIM, give it over to 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:00.369 my executive pastor and to give HIM over to Rick Wright, 0:20:00.869 --> 0:20:03.689 gave Jim Johnson as the executive pastor over the church. 0:20:05.090 --> 0:20:08.490 And all of you said, of course, dad, Uncle Lou 0:20:08.550 --> 0:20:11.669 has served you, and you need to help him. And 0:20:11.750 --> 0:20:14.610 so once I got the confirmation from you guys, then 0:20:14.670 --> 0:20:17.469 I met with Lou after the service on Sunday, and 0:20:17.530 --> 0:20:21.100 he broke down and wept. Wow. Because he knew that 0:20:21.450 --> 0:20:24.560 this was the dream being fulfilled, that he's crashing the plane, 0:20:25.180 --> 0:20:28.500 but it's just now coming up. And he just had faith. 0:20:29.380 --> 0:20:32.879 I asked this apostle that I had the gift and 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.940 grace and skill set, and it's all by God's grace. 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:37.899 to make it happen. 0:20:38.020 --> 0:20:41.900 But not only that, I'm sure, this is just my opinion, 0:20:41.980 --> 0:20:43.500 but I'm sure one of the things that he was 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:47.630 processing was not only did the Lord bless me with 0:20:47.650 --> 0:20:51.330