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Due to 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:18.520 discussion of traumatic, sexual and violent content, listeners, discussion is advised. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.680 It was right around the time when I was coming 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:26.400 out in the news that my mom was contacted by 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:30.880 a student that was no longer there, that it turned eighteen, 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:35.519 that pulled themselves, and then his mom was sending a 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:41.120 lot of people in newspaper clippings and stuff, obviously before 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:45.040 the internet, so my mom she was aware of it. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:50.200 This is Mark Barber. He attended in Awaki from four 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:56.240 during the criminal investigation into the organization. It was during 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.680 the end of his time there that parents were beginning 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.880 to find out about the allegations against Anawaki and Lewis Petter. 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.559 You could see a lot of changes. We had some visitors, 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.200 they built a new clinic, there was a lot of improvement. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:17.800 Several staff members pretty much disappeared overnight. The staff members 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.920 that I had seen that I knew were messing around 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:26.720 with students. They kept their distance and they weren't on 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:32.679 campus nearly as much. With allegations stacking up against an Awaki, 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:37.600 insurance companies were beginning to refute payment. This would lead 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:41.760 to Mark's termination or exit from Anawaki to be rushed 0:01:41.800 --> 0:01:48.720 through at this time. I was terminated March one, nineteen six, 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:54.120 and I knew about four days before I was getting 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.680 terminated they wanted me to come in put in some 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:02.279 paperwork what my plans were. I had already been looking 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.640 at schools and finishing up, you know, high school education, 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.760 which I was about three years behind on with some 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.560 of the testing, but they kind of rushed through it. 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.640 Later in life, I found out the insurance stopped paying 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:22.799 them because of all the allegations. They Champus said, we're 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.880 not paying you. They stopped paying it. They went to 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.040 my mom and dad. I think they asked him for 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.640 like seventy eight thousand dollars. So I think instead of 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:33.960 my mom just coming up and getting me and not 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:37.600 having that closure moment that you have with your group 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.240 when they pick you up by your jeans and throw 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.120 you in there and everybody gives you a hug, and 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:46.160 you exchange phone numbers, and you know, you get your 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.840 stuff and you have a nice send off. You know, 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:50.320 a lot of guys didn't get that. A lot of 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.200 guys just got cold shoulder. See you later. They left 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.280 one day, they went to the clinic and never came back. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.440 We don't know what happened to. So, yeah, that's how 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:02.480 that's how my last day ended up. Scott Hole was 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.800 another attendee of Anawaki at this time. He says that 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.600 as soon as your insurance ran out in a weak 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.760 he would then terminate you. Yeah, you know, that time 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.480 during the investigation was a weird, weird time. I had 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.720 been there for quite a while and I was about 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.120 to get released, and all of a sudden, you know, 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.239 they started like giving me all these awards and stuff, 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:27.919 which was kind of weird. They made me a junior 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:29.840 staff member and gave me this thing called the Silver 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.360 Medallion that they only give to one person a year. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.239 I don't know, it was just like they were trying 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:39.000 to normalize things. Actually, actually, you know when they they 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:41.680 called it terminating when you actually, I guess graduate from there, 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.760 and usually typically this I certainly found out. The w 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.120 when you graduated was when your insurance ran out. So 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.440 my insurance ran out to that man, Oh, you're cured, 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.320 now go, you know. So I was there right as 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.160 all that was going on, So I don't remember exactly 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:01.080 the way things were around the campus. I just remember 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:06.080 it being very, very weird. For other patients, like Mark Butler. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.280 As soon as their parents were informed of the scandal, 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.280 they decided to take their kids out of the program 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.320 of their own free will. I didn't know that the 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:19.479 scandal broke until I got a letter from my father 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:23.159 or a phone call from my father saying I'm taking 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:27.320 you out, because inside everything was hush huhs. We didn't 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:31.479 know nothing. I was told that there's a big lawsuit 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:37.599 and criminal charges from my family. He said, we're taking 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.400 you out. The stories of what the patients did in 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:44.760 Awake had to endure we're beginning to leak out through 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:49.880 the media. He says that it was so they were 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.800 told to do it, and at the time he was 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:54.760 fourteen and a half fifteen years old, they didn't know 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.640 any better. They were told to take the clothes off 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:01.440 and they would take it. Taking the pictures hm as therapy. 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:05.640 As therapy. The boys have to get down in the 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:11.000 septic tank and bucket them out. How are they addressed? 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:16.040 My sentence is that he was. He was naked, uh 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.479 and after he got through doing the work, he was 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.599 given a chemical to put on his body and go 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.120 to the shower and bade with something to kill the bacteria. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.279 Mark Barber says that while he believed many of the 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:34.240 staff knew about the investigation and allegations against Petter and Innawaki, 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:40.320 most would still not speak up other staff members. I'm 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.080 pretty sure he knew what was going on. There was 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.560 a story that a staff member told me. After I 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:50.560 got out of being awaken, I actually found him in 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:53.240 the early days of the internet, found his phone number, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:57.159 called him and talked to him. We had talked about 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.280 what had happened, how in a way he got shut down, 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.440 and he said that one of the nurses went into 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.520 a staff meeting and said, what are you all gonna 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.920 do if one of these students ends up with AIDS 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:15.880 or HIV and he goes you could tell who the 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:21.599 predators were and who the predators weren't by that comment, 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:24.279 by the look on their faces. This is what the 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:26.599 staff member told me. And he was in the group. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:31.360 He was in there, you know. So with that being said, yeah, 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:33.360 I would say I would say all of them new 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.960 I think some of them turned to blind eye, and 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.520 you would have to be very naive, and I don't 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:42.599 think you would have made it as a Anawaki staff member, 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:47.039 group leader, even kitchen help if you didn't see the 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.920 abuse going on. Everybody knew and everybody kept their mouth shut. 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.159 O would passed. Several weeks we have received number of 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.279 very serious allegations concerning both the facility out there in 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:05.640 a number of individuals involved with him. It was just 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.279 a form of their therapy. They were told to do it, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.320 and at the time he was fourteen and a half 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.960 fifteen years old, they didn't know any better. I asked you, 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:16.720 why are you letting this happen? Why are you covering 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.280 up for Louis Patterer. He had no answer to that question. 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:25.960 Involved having and this situation paid it little could be 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:34.000 such district place and to do absolutely the contrary of 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.760 what they should have done. I'm disturbed over the fact 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.120 of something it gets still going on it anyway. I'm 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:48.840 Josh Stein and this is Camp hell an AWAKEI. The 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.080 Aniwaki Institution has now been under investigation by Douglas County 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.000 authorities for three months. Just last week, investigators with the 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.640 Department of Human Resources began talking to the more than 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:02.360 one children now at the Douglas County facility. Right now today, 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:05.320 we do not feel or we have not found, anything 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.760 that would indicate that the children are in immediate danger. 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:12.960 Assistant Human Resources Director Jewel Norman says her agency has 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.880 found no evidence at this point to shut down the 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:21.320 Douglas County facility. The investigation into an Awiki had brought 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:25.280 in to include local Douglas County authorities, the Georgia Bureau 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:30.240 of Investigations, and now the Department of Human Resources. With 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:34.480 multiple counts of sodomy attributed to Petter and charges against 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.280 other employees racking up, the center was still able to 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.720 stay open. Petter had been freed from jail after supporters 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.600 in the community raised the one million dollars to cover 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:49.960 his bond. As the investigation group, more counts were being 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:54.160 filed against Petter, eventually totaling up to twenty four counts 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.920 of sodomy against him. One of the other main suspects 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:03.080 was Head of Therapeutic Services Jim Womack, Here's former d 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:08.640 A for Douglas County Frank Winn. James Womack was a 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:11.520 supervisor at it in a wake. And I don't mean 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:15.440 he just supervised kids. He supervised employees as well as kids, 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.000 and he was somebody that it was clear he was 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.320 somewhat close to Petter, but at the same time, it 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:25.240 appeared there were some kids that he would take off 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:30.679 in ways that didn't seem appropriate. So as we started investigating, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.480 we were able to find out that there had been 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:38.040 some kids that he had isolated and had had relations with. 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.600 I don't remember him being someone that was very friendly, 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.080 you know, he was a little bit more of a 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:49.160 we felt like a strong arm fellow, James Walmack. I know, 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:53.760 when we talked about his case, his situation, we just 0:09:53.880 --> 0:10:00.320 felt like he wasn't really Lewis Petter's partner. They weren't 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:04.280 partners in crime. It was like, well, that's the way 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.480 we can do stuff it and awaking, so I'm gonna 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:11.600 do it. That was clearly our belief as to who 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.640 James Walmack was. He might do some things for Petter 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.679 because he worked there or because he knew what Petter 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.480 was doing, but what he did seemed to be very 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:27.440 much on his own because he believed that's what you 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.280 could get away with out there. While trying to find 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.040 a charge that would stick for Petter and other in 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:37.880 a WEEKI employees, things could get complicated very quickly. Journalist 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.880 Albert Edgin says that the strongest case against Petter and 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.839 others would have been the sodomy law at the time. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.280 I think it's interesting to look at the criminal case 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:51.640 from the perspective of the prosecutors. They had a couple 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:54.320 of challenges, and there was sort of a hierarchy of 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.600 laws that they were dealing with, and Georgia, sodomy was illegal, 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:05.160 So if they had testimony about a homosexual relationship that 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:10.080 became physical that involved acts of what words defined in 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.440 the Georgia law as sodomy at the time, then they 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.480 had a slam dunk case. So they were very aggressive 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.880 about going after the sodomy cases. That was the easiest 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.400 thing for me. The next thing is child abuse on 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:27.080 Georgia's side and child abuse on Florida's side. Now, without 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.520 knowing that the details of how those cases are made 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:32.840 or what those laws in those two states were like, 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:35.360 then that means from the prosecutor's point of view that 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.080 what they had to think about was how is this 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:40.320 going to play out in a courtroom, and they have 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:45.920 I think three problems. One is they know, well, first 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:50.199 of all, in Florida, where there is no sodomy law, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.120 there's no anti sodomy law. If they're dealing with a 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.840 child abuse case, or if they're dealing with a case 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.880 where there's a relationship between a child and an adult, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.800 the defense is going to say that was a consensual relationship. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:05.960 You got to think about it like a prosecutor, like, 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:07.960 that's gonna be one thing that the defense is going 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.240 to do. The bottom line on that is that the 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:13.839 easiest cases to make in the cases that they made 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.840 in Georgia on sodomy, and that Florida authorities went along 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.920 with that because they thought, you get this guy in jail, 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.719 we get this guy in jail. Then you have the 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:26.080 additional challenge of getting the victims to talk about it 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.679 because it's so embarrassing. It's a horrific experience that they 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:31.720 had and they don't want to talk about in the courtroom. 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:35.920 So it took a while for them to organize the case. 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:39.560 They brought their cases against the people they could bring 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.760 them against. The problem that still exists is that Florida 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:48.079 had a list of Georgia probably did too. But Florida 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:53.280 had a list of abuse of counselors, which means older 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:58.040 people adults eighteen or older counselors who had abused kids 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:00.360 that they didn't prosecute and they couldn't process. Cute. Some 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:02.720 of them they couldn't find, but they found at least 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:06.079 one in Tennessee, and he was working at a psychiatric 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:10.120 treatment center for children. So that was then you have 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.360 to think how many of these people that they didn't 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:19.920 find are still working in these places now. I asked 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:24.360 Frank Win if anyone from in Aweki South Campus in Caribelle, Florida, 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.199 or the Girls Campus in rock Mart were charged and convicted. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.200 I did not participate in any charges. Both places were 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:38.319 other jurisdictions for one thing, so I wouldn't have been 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.720 involved in whether they were prosecuted or not, other than 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.840 I didn't have anything to prosecute him for in Douglas County. 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:52.800 I don't recall that there was anything significantly wrong that 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.880 somebody had done that they had gotten prosecuted for in 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:59.520 either place other than what we were already prosecuting for. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.239 I mean, Louis better, we know did stuff in Mexico 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.760 and Florida but that doesn't mean we're gonna prosecute him 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.200 for what he did there. And if other people did 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.880 stuff there, those jurisdictions would have had access to whatever 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:18.319 we had. I do not remember anything specific about criminal 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:23.640 charges related to any employees at carabell or Rock Market. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.760 Once you've prosecuted somebody, what's the value of using resources 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:33.560 to prosecute them again. And if there were a victim slash, 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.680 you know, someone who's been groomed, then do they deserve 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:42.520 to be prosecuted in another jurisdiction. That's somebody else's call. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.040 But at the same time I could understand them decide 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.440 and know they shouldn't be prosecuted. I don't really have 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:53.680 an answer. I don't remember discussing are having contact with 0:14:54.320 --> 0:15:01.640 prosecution authorities from Carabelle or Polpe County along with Petter 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:06.040 and Jim Wamack, administrator and Petter's son in law, James 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:12.160 Henry Evans, was arrested as well. Eventually, Lewis's wife, Mabel, 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:16.040 would also be arrested for failure to report child abuse. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:21.080 A little more than two hours ago, a handcuffed Mabel Petter, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.680 the wife of Annawakey founder Lewis Petter was escorted into 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.880 the Douglas County jail. The sixty seven year old Anawakey 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.800 nursing director has been charged with four counts of failure 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:35.000 to report child abuse. Tony Say mr Evans. A few 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.400 minutes later, her son in law, former Annawakey administrator and 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.080 acting director, Henry Evans, was taken in handcuffs into the jail, 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:46.000 charged with twenty three counts of failure to report child abuse. 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.920 Gb I agent Tony Gaily said investigators had to forcibly 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.920 enter evans residence to make the arrest. What we're saying 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.120 is that these incidents has occurred, they should have been 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.520 reported either to the Sheriff's Department of District Attorne his office, 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.840 or the Department of Family and Children's Services. They were not, 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.680 and that's a violation of the law. Walmax was presented 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:13.000 as a trial where we settled everything except the legal 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:18.520 issue of the statue limitations. It was just obvious that 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:22.120 we were had narrowed the whole case down to he 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:26.120 did it. The question is legally could we prosecuted? And 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.200 so why not just present that to the judge with 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.120 better We had so much more and so we weren't 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:35.160 gonna be dealing with just one semantic. There was a 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:39.160 lot more there, with better financially as well as abuses. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:45.320 Winds says that while the investigation into the sexual abuse 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:49.600 charges was ongoing with the documents seized from an Awaki, 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.880 there was now a rico a racketeering case being built 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.800 against the inn a WEEKI organization as well. A racketeering 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.360 case would involve any pattern of illegal activity that is 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.600 carried out by a business which is owned or controlled 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:09.920 by those engaged in such activity. When we're getting ready 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:14.400 for trial, my number one focus was on the sexual 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:19.200 abuse charges and the information related to that that that 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:24.159 was my focus. At the same time, we had people 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:26.679 from the Price Unit, Attorney's Council as well as the 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.320 gb I helping us with the case. There were a 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.760 whole lot more adept and knowledgeable about how to analyze 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.080 the financial part of and a weight when we're talking 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:41.080 about what other charges might have been brought as opposed 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.199 to what we're brought. While we were getting ready for 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:50.560 a trial, our negotiation incorporated the fact that we were 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:57.040 investigating other matters that were financial in nature. My memory 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.920 is there's no doubt that they knew about it, no doubt. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:05.280 They knew we had a lot of documents, and they 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.080 knew what the documents were that we had. They could 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:12.240 have assumed that we were idiots and that we didn't 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.399 know what the documents were showing about their activities, or 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:20.119 they could make the correct assumption that we had people 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:23.480 from the g b I and from the Prosecuting Attorney's 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:29.280 Council that understood what they were manipulating in the financial documents. 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:37.199 So at some point we began crafting a rico indictment. 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.879 Some are all of the lawyers for the bet Our 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:46.000 family figured that out, And I remember Mr Petter's attorney 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:50.240 asking me, I need to know if y'all actually got 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:55.520 a document with names on it and charges related to 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.800 other matters, And I said, we have a reco indictment 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:05.520 has names of other family members on it, and we 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:09.160 intended to go forward with that document. Part of what 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:13.359 they asked was uh, and we agreed to this was 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:19.919 to drop that aspect of the case. Negotiations had begun 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:25.320 between the patter's attorneys and the prosecution. Frank explains that 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.840 this was to try and ensure as much as they 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:32.560 could that the organization behind in Awaki and its financial 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.520 interests would come to an end. I say they asked 0:19:36.800 --> 0:19:40.199 We asked for a lot too. We asked that the 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:46.359 daughters forfeit everything. I remember thinking that, okay, they're giving 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:51.560 an Awaki estates completely to the nonprofit. It would look 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:56.240 like a huge tax donation. So part of our agreement 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:01.240 was you give up everything you own and end. You 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.560 can't take a tax deduction because it would have been inappropriate. 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:10.480 It wasn't their property. After over two years of investigation 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:15.159 and preliminary hearings and agreement between Petter's attorneys and the 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:21.640 prosecution had been made in April of Petter would enter 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.359 a guilty plea in return for the investigation to drop 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:30.720 the RICO indictment. Petter pleaded guilty to nineteen counts of 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:36.560 sodomizing twelve former and a Waki patients, camps number four 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:51.959 and five, five different different invision of the Africans camps 0:20:52.040 --> 0:21:02.080 undertan and left different India when they're wanting us not 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.119 to go forward with the RICO. At the same time, 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:10.439 we addressed all the finances. If you read through the 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:16.200 comprehensive plea agreement, there's a lot of financial information in there. 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:18.879 That has nothing to do with the sexual abuse charges. 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:22.919 It had to do with us doing the best we 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:28.199 could correct what they had stolen. As far as I 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:32.640 was concerned, they had taken something by manipulation and fraud 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.720 and it was equivalent to stealing. We agreed if Lewis 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:40.320 Pedderck led guilty on the sex charges and we worked 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:45.960 out the financial restitution as best we could, then we 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:51.240 just basically stopped writing the reco indictment. Chuck Olsen, who 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.480 work is the main one that would have been involved 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.520 in it. He was brilliant when it came to details, 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:02.240 especially in going through finance actual documents and being able 0:22:02.280 --> 0:22:06.560 to craft incidents that would have been part of the 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:10.639 reco indictment. And we were probably about halfway through with it. 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.119 But it's a lot of information, and Chuck was working 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:17.720 his butt off trying to organize it and make sure 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.520 that he had it complete. And I don't know if 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.840 Truck was disappointed or not, but I think he was. 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:27.479 He was based on the financial restitution that we got 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.960 from the agreement. I think he was satisfied that we 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:33.800 accomplished what needed to be accomplished with in essence stripping 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.840 the family of what everything we could find that they 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:42.480 had taken from an AWAKEI Ultimately some of the properties 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.359 the Pattern family acquired were given back to the inn 0:22:45.400 --> 0:22:50.520 Awaki Estates Foundation. For other properties in other countries such 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:54.040 as Canada and Mexico, it was just too far out 0:22:54.040 --> 0:23:00.360 of the reach of Wind's investigation. Did they had some 0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:07.320 cash at the place in Pachuca. Certainly finding that he 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.600 had gone to Mexico, that was something that we had 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.439 wondered about. That's one of the reasons Earl sent some 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:18.359 officers down there. Other than being able to corroborate kids 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:21.520 versions of how things were down there, I don't remember 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:26.919 they were able to really get physical evidence to bring 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:30.560 back other than photographs and a little bit of real 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:34.399 estate type of information. Douglas County had a lot of 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:37.480 expenses in this investigation, as well as the State of Georgia, 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:42.280 But it was Douglas County's case, an awaki Estates and 0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:46.800 or the family members. Everything that we were we knew 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:52.800 about except Mexico. We we didn't want to go back 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:56.639 and mess with any property that was down in Mexico. 0:23:57.160 --> 0:23:59.240 So I don't recall that we did anything with the 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:03.840 Mexico estate, but everything else that we had was turned 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:07.520 over to annawaki Ink. As far as the real estate goes, 0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.240 there was some stuff that was given to Douglas County. 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:16.040 There was some about three hundred acres in Canada and 0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:21.000 that was I believe in Lewis Petter's name. That property 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:24.280 was given to Douglas County. There was a lot of 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:28.360 jewelry that was given to Douglas County. There was some 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.560 money out of the cash bond, and I remember that 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.919 being a dispute later on as to who got what 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:38.520 out of the cash bond that was posted. But the 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:43.640 intent was the cash that came from Petter, we Douglas 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:47.760 County took some of that money to help defray costs. 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:53.040 So part of the comprehensive Plea agreement involved them agreeing 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:57.520 to forfeit those funds to Douglas County. The funds that 0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:02.119 were traced to Petter. My memory was we allowed a 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:06.000 certain amount for Mabel to keep and then a majority 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:09.560 of it was forwarded to Douglas County. As far as 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:14.480 other stuff that was done, I believe the Carabelle property 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.640 was turned over to an awaki Ink. All the property 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:22.320 in Douglas County that was not otherwise in aniwaki Ink's 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.560 name was supposed to be turned over to them. The 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:28.560 property in Polk County I believe was an Awakia estates 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:32.560 and had to be turned over in return for giving 0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.440 up almost all of in a week he's financial interest 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:39.440 and in turn, any control he had over the organization. 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:44.160 Louis Petter was then sentenced to eight years in prison, 0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:49.080 with an additional twelve years of probation to follow. To 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:53.439 give a comparison to a known trial from today, nixi 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:57.480 Um Secret Society founder Keith for Near, who was charged 0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:01.040 with sex trafficking of children and can spiracy to commit 0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:05.760 forced labor, was sentenced to one and twenty years in prison, 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:11.520 essentially a life sentence. I asked Frank if he believed 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.159 that eight years was really enough of a punishment for 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:24.440 Petter being a known abuser for over two decades. Well, yes, 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:27.760 I think it was enough based on the information we 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:32.160 had at the time. This might sound a little mean, 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:37.680 but I wasn't sure how long he would survive in prison, 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:42.000 and so that factored into it also. And when I 0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:45.800 say it may actually sound mean, I didn't think at 0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:48.760 the time he entered the Blue I felt like whatever 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.280 time he was he might not make it eight years. 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.679 If he did make it, he would come out and be, 0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.280 you know, very unhealthy. At the end, I felt like 0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:00.919 he was old enough and in bad enough health to 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:04.119 where eight years was. I think I mentioned earlier it 0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:08.080 was like giving someone else fifteen years. Partly because of 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:12.160 his health. I think he wound up surprising us and 0:27:13.000 --> 0:27:15.840 living longer than we expected. That would have been his 0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:19.160 side of the negotiation. I guess he figured he knew 0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.800 he was in better health than we believed. Do you 0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:25.520 think he put a fast one? No, not necessarily. I 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.840 mean it was based on what we had. It was 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:31.440 still a fair sentence for the back. At that time, 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:37.320 sentences weren't as harsh in general as they are nowadays 0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:40.080 when it comes to in kind of sexual abuse, and 0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.679 eight years might have been a little bit low. But 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:47.679 we covered everything and we were able to get the 0:27:47.800 --> 0:27:50.840 family didn't serve as much time as a whole if 0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:55.040 you just added up everybody's sentences. But they gave up 0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:59.760 everything financially that we felt like they should, that we 0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:25.000 think they deserved. While the Douglas County authorities were doing 0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.399 all they could to put a stop to the n 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:32.400 Waki organization under Louis Petter. Another group of former victims 0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:36.040 had begun to file a civil suit against Petter and 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:41.480 an Awake. When I was practicing law, I had some 0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:46.880 neighbors who walked into my office or former neighbors, and 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:51.680 they had a son about Awaky treatment center and the 0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:55.880 able suspicious of the seby nine thousand dollar bill that 0:28:56.000 --> 0:29:01.360 they had received. So we discussed and I told them 0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:04.160 I would look into it. But before I could really 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:10.040 look into it, nice food my clients for it on payment. 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.960 This is Pat Edelkind. She's one of the two main 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:18.520 attorneys who handled the civil suit against dan Awaki. Pat's 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.880 career is an impressive one. Aside from her involvement in 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:25.560 the Anna Waki case, she was the first single mother 0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:29.520 to ever graduate from Harvard Law School. Not only that 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:33.680 I had graduatingd I was so fearful we'll not being 0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:37.680 able to pick up after ten years that I worked 0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:42.480 extra hard I suppose, and I graduated h well Victorian 0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:46.720 and my class, first in my class. It seems her 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:50.280 story is similar to Frank Winn and Earl Lee's and 0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:54.080 that one small issue ended up snowballing and is something 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:58.560 bigger than she ever could have imagined. I've heard about 0:29:58.560 --> 0:30:02.760 it waking since I was looking for a place to 0:30:03.320 --> 0:30:07.120 put my youngest son, who had learning just about with this, 0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:10.280 to try and get a hold of that when he 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:15.880 was young, and he was around eleven, and stopped him 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:19.800 from some of the behaviors that he was exhibiting. When 0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:23.040 I was searching for a place, I came upon an 0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:27.520 Awaki which seemed to be ideal. And when I talked 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:32.200 to Mark, my son about him, and he wasn't happy 0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:36.320 about it, but he wasn't unhappy either, so he tried 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:40.040 it and it seemed to work out fairly well initially. 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.720 Shortly after Pat entered her son into Annawaki, she began 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.960 to hear some things that made her question the program. 0:30:48.000 --> 0:30:53.400 She eventually decided to remove her son. He wasn't really 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.640 making the progress that I thought he should have been making, 0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:00.000 and I was a little suspicious of the place. Also 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:04.360 of my spot had picked up grammatical error in his speech, 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:10.480 and also he he just wasn't thriving. He told me 0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:15.200 that they will work all the time, and that they 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:21.040 will shortened therapy sessions with the psychiatry. In fact, the 0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:26.440 psychiatrist was legally blond and that they had very short 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:30.960 session with Father Keim there if that usually more like 0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:34.080 five all both the charge was for the futtle hour. 0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:39.360 Now this really bothered me, and I didn't watch him 0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:43.000 just working out in the cold and the element all 0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:47.720 the time he was there. So I'm vocational lethy I 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:51.040 thought would be good, but not that much. It just 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:55.520 got to be at bit much, so I removed him. 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.320 It's around the same time that Pat decided in a 0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:01.200 weak he was not for her son. When her neighbors 0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.600 came to her with their financial complaint against the center. 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:09.360 What would happen to them is that they had their 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:14.440 child at home with them, but he was paying charged 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:19.520 for our visits when they were like five of sin 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:24.800 with the psychiatrist and all those kinds of things. And 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:28.600 he would tell them that things were going on, and 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:33.000 my son told me also, but it wasn't as a stage, 0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.760 and that my son had said that they heard that 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:41.360 d Heater, who was ahead of the ansgestion could go 0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:47.640 gay on you, and they were beating It didn't add 0:32:47.760 --> 0:32:50.000 up to what they said it was going to be. 0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:54.680 One of the things that really got attention of black 0:32:54.800 --> 0:32:58.920 form of neighbors is the fact that they were paying 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:03.880 out of pocket. They didn't have a hospital or insurance 0:33:04.200 --> 0:33:06.920 and things like that that would have picked up this bill. 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:11.520 So they were attuned of what was charged. Most of 0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.720 the parents so has either the school system, but not 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:21.320 really the school system so much as individual insurance that 0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:25.720 would pay it as a health see. Pat would soon 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:29.160 find out the social workers who worked for an Awaki 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:36.120 would refute any allegations from patients. The social worker, who 0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:41.240 is person that parents talked to, would hear all the 0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:46.600 stuff that the children would say, but then she would say, oh, no, 0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:50.200 that wasn't so, and all of the social workers did that, 0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:55.880 and the social workers was killed. The parents that you 0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:59.880 can't believe what's your son tells you or order because 0:34:00.720 --> 0:34:03.080 they are a big step to begin with, and that's 0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:05.600 why they came here. They just want to go home 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:11.640 and astra a while. That just did not wash. The 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:14.560 social worker would say, oh, that didn't happen, or that 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:18.040 didn't happen. The parents might have gone said, look, he 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.239 said he didn't have the arpy, or he said that 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:25.560 he didn't get educated, or whenever they were supposed to do, 0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:29.640 they were not doing. All the child was doing was 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:34.879 laboring to build the house, whether his head was roof, 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:40.319 and all of the social workers would deny an abuse whatsoever, 0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:46.480 But these children were getting abused. There was one that 0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:50.120 would beating so badly and knocked into the wall then 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:55.560 it broke his ear drum. Not with appalling. Pat would 0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.960 initially foul a counter suit on behalf of her neighbors 0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:02.759 who had been sued by Anawaki for back payment. The 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.920 civil suit would soon come to cover an umbrella of 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:11.360 charges against an Awaki. I first filed on their behalf. 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:17.400 I filed accountter plane and spent awake to hit sis them. 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.440 I could see them back, and I did, and I 0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:31.040 alleged frog moult practice violations of RICO and also physical abuse. 0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:36.680 That's suxual abuse. And of course an't wait to deny that. 0:35:37.400 --> 0:35:42.040 But as a matter of fact, other hear I started 0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:47.600 coming to me because they did word well. And then 0:35:48.520 --> 0:35:54.520 I associated with Randall Blackwood that he would handle trial 0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:57.520 work and I would take care of all the plain 0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:00.680 of some of the depositions that those kind of thing, 0:36:00.960 --> 0:36:04.080 which it was a lot of things that handled because 0:36:04.120 --> 0:36:08.320 eventually we had one underd and thirty one wanted in 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:15.880 separate lawses. These were individual lawsses. However, they were tried 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:21.759 in multip pursuits. I think we had about eight. PAD 0:36:21.800 --> 0:36:25.040 would work side by side with well known attorney Randall 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:28.960 Blackwood and his wife Florence, assisting in handling all of 0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:32.879 the documents as well. With such a large case, PAD 0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:39.280 would need reinforcements. Randall Blackwood was a renowned trial lawyer 0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:45.120 and I was just one person, so I needed someone 0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:50.600 who was really excellent exact so I associated with him 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:53.520 and we ended up splitting the sea. I did a 0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:58.240 lot of the paper work, most of it, but Randy 0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:04.000 did the trials and I helped, of course, but he 0:37:04.200 --> 0:37:07.399 was the presence in the courtroom. And we had one 0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:13.319 judge assigned to ostin Hooly, Judge Jack Frich And he 0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:17.040 was actually very good too, because there was such a 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:22.160 massive paper that we did one dedicated judge just to 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:28.160 keep it straight. Here's Judge Jack Etheridge remembering the circumstances 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:31.280 involving the trial. This is taken from a video clip 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.720 thanks to the Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research 0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:40.239 and Studies at the University of Georgia. Another case I 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:45.840 remember quite well was called the Anawaki case. One lawyer 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.040 essentially took over the claims of all of these people, 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:54.080 and there was more than guess and it was just 0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:57.640 too complex a case to ask any sitting judge to handle, 0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:00.560 and so I was asked to take own aces and 0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:04.960 did and we took maybe a year or two to 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:07.840 deal with all the preliminary motion a lot at stake 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:13.799 and uh at the end, I was able to segregate 0:38:14.040 --> 0:38:20.719 about ten young men as the plaintiffs against a few 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:23.480 of the defendants, and then we were gonna try the 0:38:23.560 --> 0:38:27.040 other cases incrementally as we've been along. We set up 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:32.360 a separate courtroom. We built courtroom for that trial and 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:36.800 it was tried over a period of I think ten weeks. 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:39.239 In order to be able to go into trial at 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:42.840 any time, they used a former Riches department store to 0:38:42.920 --> 0:38:50.080 make an ad hoc courtroom. Yeah, Riches department store had closed, 0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:57.960 but in the part department store we had a courtroom 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:04.040 built so that the much would litigate the cases. We 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:09.560 could adate the cases and get them thuttled and have 0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:13.320 the access. It is the time, So that's what Judge 0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:19.600 jack Etheridge healthy hearings. After we had putting the money 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:25.560 into making a court room and we uh tried the 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:30.000 one case that went to trial. Papled work in tandem 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:34.680 with Frank Wynn and Douglas County authorities by sharing their findings. 0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:39.080 They would help each other with their cases. The District 0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:44.840 Attorney of Douglas County where the institutions were it was 0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:49.880 Fright wyn And at the time there has been a 0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:54.840 case of cases where people had gone to Mr Wynn 0:39:55.280 --> 0:40:01.360 that have complained about sexual abuse and battering and those 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:06.120 kinds of things, and so he's looking into it. So 0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:11.200 I shared my knowledge with him, and he kept other 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:15.640 placest to me and that's how it got so many. 0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:21.879 But something needed to be done about. Sarah Tillis would 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.960 also have a hand in making sure these civil proceedings 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:28.960 did all they could to take Petter down. Journalist Albert 0:40:28.960 --> 0:40:32.800 Egen says that her diligent notes kept during her last 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:36.160 few years as a board member greatly helped the case. 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:42.000 Four people involved in developing the narrative of the civil case, 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:48.160 which dealt with an awakes management and the deterioration of 0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:54.759 Lewis Petter's control. Those four people were Sarah Tillis, patal Kind, 0:40:55.200 --> 0:41:00.160 Randy Blackwood, and Randy's wife Florence and those documentations that 0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:04.120 shows how Sarah Tillis went through weeks and weeks and 0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:09.479 weeks of recounting what she had experienced day to day, 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:14.279 keeping notes, collating notes, and finally what emerged was a 0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:17.720 narrative of the way the place fell apart, and Sarah 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:22.080 was at the core of that. Sarah Tillis's experience with that, 0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:28.360 Sarah Tillis's determination and uh fortitude was what really really, 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:32.560 in the end of the day, exposed everything. Randy Blackwood 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:36.439 was just a bulldog of a lawyer, A really nice guy, 0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:40.120 a little guy, kind of slightly built, but man, he 0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:44.759 was tough and he was pissed. He took this personally. 0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:50.480 Randy was meticulous in his research, but Randy was screwed 0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:55.600 and manipulative. Randy told me a lot of things through 0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:58.319 the course and working on the story. There was a 0:41:58.360 --> 0:42:01.880 point in time when I was pulling all those documents 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:07.520 from the state archives that showed the hospital licensure manipulation 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:10.799 between Parmam and Petro and also showed the long term 0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:15.040 relationship between Parma and Petro. Albert says that he too, 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:18.560 would share documents from his covering of the Nawaki story. 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:22.080 All of these factors would help paint the picture of 0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:26.480 how bad in Awaki had gotten. Randy had a good case. 0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.800 But when I brought that material to him and showed 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:32.239 him what I had found and asked him about it, 0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:35.600 then he and Florence decided that Florence would go back 0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:37.880 and do the same research I had done, so they 0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:41.000 would have it independently of me. But at the same time, 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:45.560 Randy and I developed a I would call it a partnership, 0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:47.719 even because I was working on the story and he 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:49.120 was working on the case, and at the end of 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.640 the day we were working on the same thing, so 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:55.960 we became friends. And um, you know. He was very 0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:59.000 helpful to me in that he would leak things to me, 0:42:59.120 --> 0:43:01.160 he would give me in formation, he would guide me 0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:03.080 towards things that he was working on. But at the 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:06.839 same time, his goal was to do two things. One 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:11.360 was too in the public's eye to turn Petter into 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.440 into a demon, which was not difficult to do, but 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.279 Randy was determined to do it. That's what he was 0:43:17.320 --> 0:43:21.080 doing with a whole range of reporters and people in 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:24.520 the public eye. So his goal was not just to 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.920 to collect the information and to help the you know, 0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:31.000 the children that had been abused. But from a strategic, 0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:33.120 from a tactical point of view, his goal was to 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:35.840 make sure that by the time he got this litigation 0:43:35.880 --> 0:43:38.120 to court that there was going to be a very 0:43:38.200 --> 0:43:41.320 very negative view of Anawaki and Petter in the public's eye, 0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:47.239 and he succeeded. Taking on a year's long case can 0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:51.759 often be personally and financially taxing to the council's involved. 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:56.800 This was especially true for Randall Blackwood and Pat edel Kind. 0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:01.960 My understanding is that Sarah Tillison her husband, helped fund 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:06.480 the litigation. Randy and Florence I know they had to 0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.280 borrow money along the way. At the end of the day, 0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:14.200 they were so certain of the outcome that they were 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:18.560 willing to financially risk what they had to risk. All 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:23.360 of the lawsuits from financed by myself and Randy Berkley. 0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:28.080 So there came a time when a very heavy load 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:33.759 to carry, but we did. However, I came close to bankruptcy, 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:37.680 and I believe Randy did also. I was fearful of 0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:42.319 losing my house. We were, although we plowed plenty of 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:46.719 money in it and took out roans, it got to 0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:49.680 be pretty frightening. When it came trying to pay the piper, 0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:55.759 I just despised them. I have been personally moved, but 0:44:56.000 --> 0:45:00.640 also legally it was for render. We thought, having in 0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:06.719 this stitution paid it a hospital, to be such shut 0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:13.399 desticable place and to do absolutely the contrary of what 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:17.680 they should have done. The supern holes should have been 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:22.560 talked to the NAT school. They weren't being taught either. 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:28.040 They were there to be helped, and they weren't. That's 0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:31.160 the sad truth of it. In fact, they were harmed. 0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:37.319 Pattel Kind was attempting to take down a million dollar operation, 0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:42.239 one involving political figures, a board of trustees, and the 0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:46.320 whole staff of upper management. Handling a suit like this 0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.920 is something that can certainly make you a target. Pat 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:52.960 says it is during her involvement in the civil suit 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:57.799 that she believes someone from the Anawaki organization may have 0:45:57.880 --> 0:46:02.760 tried to harm or even kill her. I was leaving 0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:08.160 warning sized Virginia Higla's area and I was on I 0:46:08.520 --> 0:46:13.400 eighty five going north and my car suddling when I 0:46:13.520 --> 0:46:18.640 was controlled and hit the divide a wall and rolled 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:24.840 in front of three lanes of traffic, which I luckily survived. 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:29.720 I broke in my hid in the crash. She believed 0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:33.200 that this was no accident, but that someone had knowingly 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:38.040 tampered with her car in an attempt to hurt her. Well, 0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:42.520 my car, which had been parked on the street at 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:47.920 that occasion, was tampered with, and when our control on 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:52.120 I five rolled across three lanes of traffic, I was 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:56.080 fortunate to survive, and it was a new car, so 0:46:56.719 --> 0:47:00.120 I thought, what on earth? And then I received us 0:47:00.200 --> 0:47:05.399 to call from a psychologist formerly went that awaking, who 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.839 didn't get me his name, but what he said, I'll 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:12.319 never forget it was chilly. He said, this is what 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:20.279 Louis Petter raise his lackeys to do, is to do 0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:24.040 go the tricks on people, to try and hilpe them. 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:50.000 She thinks they're hurrying him. By November seven, nine women 0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:53.320 had to come forward to sue in Awaki on counts 0:47:53.320 --> 0:47:58.240 of racketeering, conspiring to abuse them, and attempting to defraud 0:47:58.320 --> 0:48:02.839 them financially. Just a few weeks later, the case would 0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:07.600 grow to twenty two former patients suing the center, naming Petter, 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:13.520 Jim Parham and other board members as defendants. Once again, 0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:16.800 one of the hardest things was attempting to get victims 0:48:16.840 --> 0:48:21.120 to come forward to speak in court. Mark Barber remembers 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:25.600 his reaction when first finding out about the suit. We 0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:29.279 first heard about the lawsuit, and I guess it was 0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:32.960 a class action lawsuit. My mom got some paperwork in 0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:38.520 the mail and I want to say eight somewhere around there, 0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:42.680 and my mom asking me, do you want to talk 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:46.520 to anybody about this? And at this time I had 0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:50.920 my film full of counselors and therapists and psychologists, and 0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:56.560 I really didn't want to speak to anybody about anything anymore. Um. 0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:58.680 But I got to a point where I just kind 0:48:58.680 --> 0:49:01.719 of shoveled it real eep and just told my mom 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:05.040 I didn't have anything to say. Nothing really happened to me. 0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:09.200 I don't want to talk about it. Pat Edelkind says 0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:11.600 that trying to get the younger patients to admit to 0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:17.480 the sexual abuse was very challenging. Fortunately, some older former 0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:21.839 patients would be willing to come forward well. The other 0:49:22.000 --> 0:49:29.120 ones would admit to the battery and physical abuse, never 0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:36.840 the sexual abuse. But we eventually learned to put on 0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:41.840 the older ones that were more comfortable with talking about 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:46.640 what happened. Even though the satural limitations has asked, they 0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:49.560 were able to tell what happened in the sexual abuse 0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:55.400 and it was pretty astalding. One key witness that agreed 0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:57.960 to come forward in the civil suit was one of 0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:03.239 the earliest instances of Petter's abuse. Bob Camp. Camp had 0:50:03.239 --> 0:50:07.920 been one of Petter's victims during the trial, actually living 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:12.560 with him while the trial happened. Journalist Albert Edgin was 0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:15.760 able to speak with Camp at length during his time 0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:23.919 covering the Antawakey story. Bob Camp was a troubled young 0:50:24.000 --> 0:50:30.440 man who was treated at anawakey whom Petter lured into 0:50:30.560 --> 0:50:36.520 a sexual relationship. Petter had him stay in his home. 0:50:36.680 --> 0:50:41.239 Petter went to Mexico with him. Petter made him into 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:47.040 a counselor. Petter uh detigrated Bob Camp's father, who was 0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:52.640 an alcoholic, and brought Bob's mother into his confidence. Bob 0:50:52.680 --> 0:51:01.319 Camp was a vulnerable person whom Petter exploited. Bob was 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:08.200 a really a brilliant man, but severely troubled in his youth. 0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.759 But he was smart about dealing with his troubles. He 0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:16.680 knew he was troubled. His behavior would range from being 0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:21.920 emotionally out of control to being very, very determined to 0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:25.279 analyze his own behavior into and to deal with it. 0:51:26.040 --> 0:51:29.719 Randy Blackwood told me about Bob Camp and said that 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:34.520 his story was the clearest case of abuse that Randy 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:38.560 intended to use in his litigation, but Bob understandably was 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:43.920 hesitant to talk. Uh. Randy Blackwood's first job was to 0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:49.480 persuade Bob to talk in a courtroom, but before that, 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:52.240 because as I said, part of randy strategy was public 0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:55.520 vilification and getting this story out before the case came 0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:59.399 to trial, Randy wanted me to talk to Bob. Bob 0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:03.239 wouldn't talk to me, but finally Randy persuaded him too, 0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:06.759 and I had a long conversation with Bob Camp, who 0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:10.200 told me his whole life story, including the abuse by 0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:14.560 Louis Petter, sitting in a truck in the parking lot 0:52:14.600 --> 0:52:19.080 outside the Decab County Courthouse in Decatur, Georgia. And among 0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:20.640 the things he told me was that he was so 0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:23.640 troubled at the time he was in his thirties, that 0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:26.440 he had had such a rough time that he didn't 0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:31.040 have any male friends his age. He was a basketball fan, 0:52:32.040 --> 0:52:34.880 and he didn't even have somebody that he could go 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:39.319 to see an Atlanta Hawks game with. And it was 0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:43.680 an emotional moment for me, certainly for him to hear 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:48.040 that that was the depths to which Louis Petter had 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:51.480 driven some of the children that he should have been helping. 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:54.239 At that point, I decided that I was going to 0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:58.359 do everything I could to take Louis Petter's story, make 0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:02.719 it public, and take him out. You'd have to have 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:04.839 been sitting in that truck and listen to that man, 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:08.120 this thirty year old man whose life had been destroyed, 0:53:08.320 --> 0:53:11.640 who had been manipulated, and he knew it. He The 0:53:11.680 --> 0:53:14.799 thing about Bob Campus that he's so damned smart and 0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:18.360 so analytical that he knew what had happened to him. 0:53:18.400 --> 0:53:22.840 And Bob has written and really a very clear headed 0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:29.439 and honest account of the whole deteriorating relationship between him 0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:33.440 and Petter, and which he documents that he documents how 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:36.880 Petter did it. But the thing about the documentation is 0:53:37.000 --> 0:53:42.000 not that what's stunning is not the narrative. What stunning 0:53:42.480 --> 0:53:45.960 is Bob Camp's analysis of the narrative, which is built 0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:49.360 into that piece that he wrote. He actually knows what 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:52.800 happened to him. He's able to analyze it as it's happening, 0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:55.880 and he can't do anything about it because he is 0:53:55.960 --> 0:53:59.400 so troubled. Because the reason he's in an awake he 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:05.520 is to take care of that, but instead that is 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:14.560 is exponentially made worse by this guy who is a 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:20.320 real estate salesman. Bob Camp would write a sixty seven 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:24.959 page essay detailing his abuse by Petter's hands. It would 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:28.720 trace his first instance of moles station during his first 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:32.680 interview with Petter, to living in Petter's house for years, 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:38.680 to eventually committing himself to psychotherapy and realizing the manipulation 0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:42.960 he had been subjected to for so many years. The 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:45.959 analysis is the most amazing part of it because Bob says, 0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:47.840 and this is in retrospect, but he had to have 0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:50.880 been than having these thoughts along the way. One of 0:54:50.880 --> 0:54:53.600 the things that comes through is Bob has stunned at 0:54:53.640 --> 0:54:56.680 how much control Petter has over him. But he's able 0:54:56.719 --> 0:55:00.080 to say, here's how he got it. He knows how 0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:04.120 Petter controlled him, but he can't stop it. When Petter 0:55:04.320 --> 0:55:11.120 was going through this investigation that Ren and Dagostino precipitated, 0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:14.640 Bob Camp was living with Petter in his home. Petter 0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.799 had such control over Bob Camp at the time that 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:21.600 the person that probably could have been the best witness 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:28.080 for the Dagastino ren accusations was under Louis Petter's thumb, 0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:32.759 and it took him another fifteen years to get out 0:55:32.840 --> 0:55:35.719 from under his thumb. He was a child at the time, 0:55:35.760 --> 0:55:39.040 he was a teenager. Bob was such an honest guy 0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:43.040 and so determined to get better that he checked himself 0:55:43.040 --> 0:55:48.160 into Georgia Regional Hospital for six months voluntarily because he 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:50.400 wanted to help himself. He had had a downturn and 0:55:50.440 --> 0:55:53.640 he wanted to help himself. Now significantly, he didn't check 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:57.600 himself into an awaking He goes to Georgia Regional and 0:55:57.640 --> 0:56:00.360 he gets good treatment there. He gets he's got good people, 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:03.239 professionals who are dealing with his troubles, and he tells 0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:05.320 them all about it, and there's a blow by blow 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:07.320 account of what happened to him there, and one of 0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:10.080 the things that happens. Of course, as the counselors there 0:56:10.120 --> 0:56:13.799 began to learn about his relationship with Louis Patter, so 0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:17.560 they bring Patter in and Petter admits all of this 0:56:17.719 --> 0:56:21.560 to Bob and yet in his meeting with Bob and 0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:26.680 Bob's mother, he tries to manipulate Bob. Still at that point, 0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:32.480 in a document from Bob Camp's therapy, he had managed 0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:35.520 to get Louis Petter to admit to his years of abuse. 0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:39.399 Petter had been so certain that this document would never 0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:42.239 see the light of day that he spoke openly of 0:56:42.280 --> 0:56:47.040 his manipulation and sexual acts with the then minor. Bob 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:50.560 Camp managed to get copies of his records and shared 0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:54.640 those with Albert years later. Lewis Petter at that time 0:56:54.640 --> 0:56:59.800 apparently reassured himself that because this was a confidential meeting 0:57:00.360 --> 0:57:06.279 in a psychiatric treatment program facility, that this will never 0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:10.319 come up. So he was, for once in his life, 0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:14.440 he was honest and forthright, although still manipulative. He was 0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:17.200 honest to the degree that he admitted that he had 0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:20.520 had this relationship with with Bob Camp. When he didn't 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:22.840 count on it was that eventually Bob would get well 0:57:22.960 --> 0:57:26.040 enough to make it public, that he would be able 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:30.160 to be strong enough to handle that pet Her underestimated 0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:36.400 Bob Camp. Bob eventually became probably the the headliner litigant. 0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:40.000 He was the guy that Randy and Pat used as 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:44.160 the example of the whole Earth manipulation. Bob Camp was 0:57:44.200 --> 0:57:48.520 important to the litigation because his story was the clearest, 0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:54.320 the oldest, the most persistent, and really the most horrible 0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:57.800 of all, and he was willing to talk about it. 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:00.240 He had the courage to stand up and say this 0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:03.040 happened to me. He had a lot of support and 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:05.320 I never met his wife, but man, I have a 0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:08.960 good impression of her because one of the things that 0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:13.040 he told me repeatedly was that she was supportive, and 0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:16.240 she didn't have to be supportive. You know, that was 0:58:16.280 --> 0:58:20.200 a horrific situation that she found herself in and she's 0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:27.040 stuck with that guy. The civil suit against Petter had 0:58:27.040 --> 0:58:30.720 ballooned to involve over one and ten patients from Anna 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:35.280 Waki due to Bob Camp's testimony. Had edel Kind and 0:58:35.400 --> 0:58:39.640 Randy Blackwood would have basically a spoken confession by Petter 0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:43.520 in one case of his abuse. With the civil trial 0:58:43.720 --> 0:58:47.520 going on upboards of three years or more, Blackwood and 0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:50.720 edel Kind were struggling financially to try and keep the 0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:54.720 trial going an attempt to bring some type of justice 0:58:55.040 --> 0:59:03.640 to the victims of Lewis Petter and Company. Next time 0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:08.880 on the conclusion to Camp Help in Awaking. It gave 0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:13.840 him something to start on, move to recuperate, but haven't 0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:17.560 lived what I lived through. No one will trade money 0:59:17.600 --> 0:59:21.640 for that. I still live with survivors guilt. I don't 0:59:21.640 --> 0:59:25.240 know if that'll ever leave me. It has absolutely changed 0:59:25.320 --> 0:59:29.400 my life. It changed my body. I'm hoping that by 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:34.320 doing this podcast that it will bring me some closer. 0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:38.360 The most troubling thing to me is that there are 0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:42.840 still people who were abusing Patience in any way. He 0:59:43.200 --> 0:59:48.080 who are in the health care systems around the site. 0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:54.840 He hurts so many people. I felt like the balance 0:59:54.960 --> 1:00:04.040 between good and evil on this planet shifted. 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