1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Ron Ananian New yor old, low mileage or high mileage. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Anything can fail at any time, and that's really what 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: you've you know what, you've got to be aware of, 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. And I did before because I just 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: thought I was gonna do two. And I went home 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: and I thought, no, I'm as you say, I'm gonna 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: with wonder when it's that other one gonna go. And 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: then then there I said again. Welcome to the radio 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: home of Ronan the Car Doctor. Since this is where 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: car owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: on automotive repaired. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in the garage doors 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: are open, but I am here to take your call 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: at eight five five five six and now he running. Hey, 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: it's time to start your engines alone and welcome Roninian 16 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor here at your service at eight five 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: five five zero nine zero zero, The Car Doctor seven 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: poll free phone number zero nine zero zero. And we 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: have been known, I guess that's the international phone number. 20 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: We haven't done to make outgoing calls. So if you're 21 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: listening overseas, that seems to be the push. This weekend 22 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: as we've talked to Dr McCann, a longtime Car Doctor 23 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: listener in England last hour. If you miss that, you 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: can pick it up on the podcast as soon as 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: Tom gets it up there um at Car Doctor show 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: dot com. It was a great call talking about his 27 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: vintage sixty nine Jagua and uh the way it ran 28 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: at PM in third year with a very slight misfire, 29 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: So we thank him for participating and uh, you know, 30 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: talking about older cars because that's what this show is 31 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: all about. Well, new cars too and everything in between, 32 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: because that's what we're here for. We're here to help 33 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: you fix your car and help you to understand it 34 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: and you know, give you a little bit more knowledge. 35 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: And when you walk into your mechanic, you know, here's 36 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: the sound, here's what it felt like, here's what I 37 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: thought it was, here's what it might be and help 38 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: establish a better relationship with your mechanic to help you 39 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: fix the car because they're just getting too complicated and 40 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: too expensive and you know, more information is for the better. 41 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: Let's kick the garage doors open right away, and before 42 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: I before I take the first class, want to point 43 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: out the bottom of the hour. Really great interview Jason 44 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: Searles Uh. He is the VP of Advanced Lead Acid 45 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: Battery Management. I think I said that right. Battery technology 46 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: sounds right. I'm like, with the name on this, his 47 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: door must be twelve ft wine. But you put the 48 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: name up there, you know. Um But a really great 49 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: conversation about a GM batteries um uh is going to 50 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: be coming up because I've got some questions for him 51 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: regarding a g M And if you've ever wanted to 52 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: know anything about about an a g M battery and 53 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: we hear talking about it all the time, stick around 54 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: for that. That's at the bottom of the hour data 55 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. How are you today? Hi? Hi? What's going on? Okay? 56 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: We have a HANDAHRVKA and we've been through this is 57 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: I think a third set of tires. We have cupping 58 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: and a talk to a lot of mechanics, a lot 59 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: of uire people, and I just don't know what to do. 60 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: The more dum cupping is just so we're both on 61 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: the same page. Is it that the tires are getting 62 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: lumpy spots? I don't know. They call it copying and 63 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: it sounds like the tires so the tires are getting 64 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: noisy is what you're saying, is that's how that's how 65 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: you know it? Right? It's yes, specifically the driver's rear, 66 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: and then we rotate them. We're just supposed to do, 67 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 1: and we have aligns real often. We rotate every five 68 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: thousand aligned probably every seven thousand. So I'm taking the 69 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: ten of them. But this is the third pot of tires. 70 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: I thought we'd kind of cured the problem. And okay, 71 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: so my question doesn't seem to offer any Okay, so 72 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: let me let me ask this question. Is the dealer 73 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: doing the alignment? No, we haven't got um that's how 74 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: it was played. Okay, So after they done two alignments 75 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: on it, all right, Well when when when the alignment 76 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: is checked, are they saying that it's out of line? No? 77 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: Not any significant amounts. Okay, so so the alignment is true, 78 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: But then why I don't understand why they keep doing it. 79 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: So here's the deal. Do you know what cupping is? 80 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: Let's start the education there. Do you know what cupping is? 81 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: When we say the tires cup? There something there? But 82 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: I don't know. He's looking at all? Right? Are you standing? 83 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: Are you standing up or sitting down? Okay? Stand up? 84 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: Look down at your feet are you are your feet 85 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: pointed straight ahead? Are they flat on the ground? Your 86 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: feet are in alignment? All right? Your feet are level, 87 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: Your feet are pointed straight Take take your toes and 88 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: point them out. You're toed out. That's what the expression means. 89 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: You're you're toed out. Now you're dragging. Now the car 90 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: is gonna go straight down the road. But try walking 91 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: like that. You're dragging the souls. Right, you're gonna you're 92 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: gonna wear your shoes funny, right, so you know, take 93 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: take your toes and point them in. Guess what now 94 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: you're toed in. It's not not not a hard not 95 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: a hard concept, right, all right? Here comes here comes 96 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: the hard one. Put your feet back straight again, put 97 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: them flat on the ground. Turn your ankles out so 98 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: you're riding on the outside edge. All right, that's positive camber. 99 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: Bring them in, that's negative camera. You're white. You're riding 100 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: on the inside edges. That's camber. Cat that's camber SnO 101 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: cambra and toe castor is a little harder. It has 102 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: to do with the the imaginary arc that your ankle 103 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 1: would swing through as you kind of pivot your ankle around. 104 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna get into that for this conversation 105 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: because it's not necessarily going to affect your issue. But 106 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: those are the three basic alignment angles that we're always 107 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: concerned with if the tires are cupping. And I'm gonna 108 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: say it like this, if somebody's doing an alignment, if 109 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm doing a diagnostic alignment, because that's what I'm doing here, right, 110 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm looking for a problem. I want to see before 111 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: and after, all right, if if before, the numbers are 112 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: in the green. And the alignment machines today are phenomenal, 113 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: you know. They they if it's if it's if it's 114 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: a good one. If it's a Hunter, for example, and 115 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: I'm sure the Honda dealer has one, the tire dealer 116 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: probably has one. There are other manufacturers out there that 117 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: do the same thing. They will give you a before 118 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: and after print out. It will show you, you know, 119 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: here's the spec here's where your toes, here's where your 120 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: feet are supposed to be headed, all right, and you know, 121 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: if it's good, it's green. If it's bad, it's red. 122 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: And then when it gets into alignment, when you straighten 123 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: your feet and your toes out, it then goes green. 124 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: If it's if it's out of the scale. You're with me, 125 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: So my question is okay, and is everything green? It's 126 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: not like right, okay, so so stick with me here. 127 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: So every everything's green? Right? So if ever anything's green 128 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: and the tires are still cupping or wearing cock gide, 129 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: they've got to take the next step. Somebody's got to 130 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: sit there and say, Okay, you know, what are we 131 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: gonna do to correct this? Now? You know, if the 132 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: answer is, well, the factory doesn't give us an adjustment 133 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: for that particular corner because I suspect that something is 134 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: bent in the right rear. Is I'm gonna come down 135 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: to the bottom line with you. Something's wrong with the 136 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: right rear that maybe it's right on the cutting edge 137 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: of the alignment spec all right, and and that's why 138 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: it's in the green. But maybe it's not enough in 139 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: the green? Okay that you know, maybe there's an alignment 140 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: issue here. How many miles are on this car? Okay? 141 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: How are the back shocks original? It rides fine, but 142 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: yeah it's original? And well, because then the other thing 143 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: you get into is what I'm trying to do is 144 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to do it slowly So I don't 145 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: scare you, but I'm just trying to say that. You know, 146 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: there's there's well, there's to be a routine to this. Right, 147 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: the alignment has to be right. We've got to verify 148 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: the alignment. Are you walking straight? Are you pigeontoed? Which 149 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: way are you walking? Okay? You're walking good, Your feet 150 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: are good, You're not hurting the shoes, all right, So 151 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: we know it's not the alignment. We know it's not structural. 152 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: If it's not structural as far as which way your 153 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: feet are pointed, then is it that maybe that right 154 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: rear shock has gone soft shock absorbers? Can you know 155 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: it'll it'll look if the if the shock is worn 156 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: and maybe not noticeable to you in the car, but 157 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: it will let that tire bounce going down the road 158 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: like a basketball. All right. As as strange as it sounds, 159 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: I've I've had cars like this where I'll have somebody 160 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: drive it and I'll be behind them watching the car. 161 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: Um which way does that car look when it's going 162 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: down the road. What are the tires doing are they 163 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: Does it look like they're bouncing like a basketball? Is 164 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: the car tracking or crabbing? Is it more to the 165 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: left to the right, you know, telling me something really 166 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: is out with the alignment that the machine is not 167 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: necessarily picking up. So you know that's two three. What 168 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: sort of tires are you putting on it? And I'm 169 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: not saying it's a tire issue, because you're saying to 170 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: me it's always the right rear or is that the 171 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: left rear of the right rear, It doesn't matter, But 172 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: it's always that same rear tire driver's side rear tire 173 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: that always cups right. Well, now all four of some 174 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: copying on them because they've rotated them and then they 175 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: cross road to which I don't know if that's the 176 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: right thing to do or not. It is that's a 177 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: dealership tried last time, right it is? Um, you know 178 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: cross we have struts? Is that right? You have struts. 179 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: You'll you'll have struts in the front. And I'm trying 180 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: to think a CRV has well, it doesn't matter it 181 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: has a strut or shock. They can all wear. Um. 182 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: I think you have struts in the rear as well. Um, 183 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: I think that's him. Yeah, And it's probably big bucks 184 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: to change all this, you know, I'm sure you've got 185 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: at this point going through tires. We spent ether Adelagen. 186 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: I last at the tires and I thought they were 187 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: really good, and it started again. How how how how 188 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: long do you get out of? How long do you 189 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: get out of a set of tires? Dana Um? The 190 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: first one we the first Perry Butt good years. They're 191 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: good for a year and that really they're really allowed 192 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: the end of that year. I thought it was the wheelbarring. 193 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: It's all that it was. And how many miles were 194 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: bridge stones? I don't know, And I have to look 195 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: at my records, um bridge stones like a year ago 196 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: and they bridge Stone actually replaced the tires because of 197 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: the cupping, replaced all four And now I've got so 198 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: it's not the bridge stone problem. You think it's good tires, 199 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: You think it's thirty thousand miles, forty thousand miles probably, Yeah, 200 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: we put a lot of miles in the car, probably 201 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: at least. Um, stupid stupid question. You're you're you're not 202 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: gigondes people. I have to say that gently. Um, you know, 203 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: don't tell anything, Yeah, right, you know, yeah you have to. 204 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: You have to kind of ask those questions. Yeah, you 205 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: know your normal Um, you wouldn't set off the scan 206 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: tool and say oh wow with the seat sensor. Um 207 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: uh you know, um tough questions. You gotta ask that. 208 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: You know radio is easier years ago. Um you know, 209 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: so you kinda yeah. I mean something, something is pushing 210 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: that tire out of square, all right, whether it's because 211 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: straw isn't leaking, but they don't feel it's that. Then 212 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: I go to the other dealerships for my other car 213 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: naders to mention this Toible and they said, well, so 214 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: you usually replace that. We've never replaced them. Should they 215 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: Are they aware? Item? I don't know. I've got one 216 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: person tell me one thing, one person saw me another. 217 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: Shocks and struts are are clearly aware, item all right. Um, 218 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: the real issue is, and it's not necessarily just ride. 219 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: It is the shocks ability to prevent rebound or bounce. 220 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,479 Speaker 1: Now again, somebody just could be as simple as somebody, 221 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: like I said, drive behind the car. That's not gonna 222 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: cost you anything. If you've got a second car in 223 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: the family, have somebody look behind. I mean, you know 224 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: you're you're pretty smart. I can tell by talking to you. 225 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: You'll you'll know. Um, look at look at all the 226 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: cars going down the road. Haven't you ever seen a 227 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: g I saw a Ford Focus last week. Uh that 228 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: I mean the right It was the right rear tire. 229 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: This thing was bouncing that I was looking for Michael Jordan. 230 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: This thing looked like a basketball going down the highway. 231 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: Uh you know, I said, look at the shock on 232 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: this thing and this guy and the car was smooth. 233 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: The guy just you know tral on alone. Um. Uh 234 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: you know, so you may not necessarily feel it inside. 235 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: It could be at a very low level. Uh you know, 236 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: it's it's there's there's a reason, all right. That's the 237 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: bottom line, all right, and it's it's so put new 238 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: struts on. You think that's the way to go. Because 239 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: when they talked about some kids that would adjust the 240 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: camber and then management Honda doesn't think it's that. I mean, 241 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm getting different stories and every you know, I don't know. Well, well, 242 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: here's here's the question. Here's the question I would ask Conda, 243 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna then I gotta go, so you'll 244 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: have to call me back or email me when you 245 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: know more. All Right. The question I would ask Conda is, well, 246 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: instructs fix it? Okay? Um, do they see other crvs 247 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: doing this? All right? Right, so it's notable. So you 248 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: have the unique experience, you have the unique experience. Can 249 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: you do this? Can you do you have a print 250 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: out of the last alignment? Okay? Can you email it 251 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: to me? Email me the print out of the last 252 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: alignment and the seventeen digit ben the serial number of 253 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: the car, and I'll I want to do a little digging. 254 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: Ron at Car Doctor Show dot com spell out the 255 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 1: word doctor C A R D O C T R 256 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: show Ron at Car Doctor show dot com and I'll 257 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: do a little digging. All right, all right, Dana hanging 258 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: their kid. We'll figure it out. You're very welcome, you're 259 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: taking care of You're welcome. Zero nine zero running late 260 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: up against it. I'll be back right after this. Don't 261 00:13:53,520 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: go away, that's right. If you call and we're not live, 262 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,199 Speaker 1: you can leave a message and we'll call you back 263 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: to get you on the air with Ron eight five 264 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: zero nine zero zero. Speaking of Ron, there he is. 265 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: Let's go right over to Alan main al return call 266 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: from last week. Where do we stand with this O 267 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: eight malibout? What's going on? Still? No start? I checked 268 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: the UM references on it and found that I am 269 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: getting a RPM reading from the cam censor and from 270 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: the crank sensor, so so refresh my memory. This came 271 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: in as a no start or had to check engine 272 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: light on what what? What started this problem? Started? The 273 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: problems that it would read no RPM and it was 274 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: go into limp mode, run poorly. After it warmed up, 275 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: the RPM would read and it ran perfect. That's the 276 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: way it started. And then what did you do to it? Well? 277 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: I put in crank sensor and then I was told 278 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: to put in cam sensor as well. I put the 279 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: cam sensor in, backed it out in the yard when 280 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: I want to bring it in again, can start it? Okay? 281 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've gone through the swap the old 282 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: camp censor back in, crank center back in routine. No, 283 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: I haven't, but I am getting readings off them, right, 284 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: so we can okay? Right, you said that I have 285 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: an Autel nine oh six test, So what do you 286 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: have for What do you have for service information? We're 287 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: gonna attack this because I've been thinking about this car 288 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: this week. We're going to attack this from the point 289 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: of let's find out what's good, all right, So what 290 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: do you have for service information? You got all that 291 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: or Mitchell or something um, No, I don't. I went 292 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: to the the GM dealer and he gave me a read 293 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: out and from GM, and it gave me the you 294 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: know how the crank sens of hoax up tells me 295 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: what the references should be. We've found a discrepancy in 296 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: that though. Is he gave me a print out this 297 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: shows me the connector that goes on the crank sensor 298 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: and is a B and terminals and what those references 299 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: should be. And then he gave me a diagram that 300 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: shows the frank sensor attached to the module and all that. 301 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: But I have an electrical engineer friend that noted it 302 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: says five volt and the fine print for an input 303 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: on that yet on the readout, right, because I remember 304 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: that there was a discrepancy. You were talking about twelve 305 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: votes the last time we spoke. Let's let's let's do 306 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: something else. If you plug in your scan tool, there's 307 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: no fault codes correct, right? Can you can you communicate? 308 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean when I say can 309 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: you communicate with all the all the modules on the bus? Yes, 310 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm doing an active test on it. Right. You can 311 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: you can see the BCM and you can see that 312 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: the TCM the trans control module, you can talk to everybody, right, okay, 313 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: so so the data bus is active, correct, okay. Second question, 314 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: you have a lab scope? I think right? Oh no, 315 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: I don't have a scull. You had to scope. However, 316 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: I have an electrical engineer friends that said he could 317 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: do that. Okay, So if you go to pens fourteen 318 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: and eight on the A L D L connector UM 319 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: and here's where here's where a n O B D 320 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: two breakout box would come in handy. Have you seen 321 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: those where they plug into the O B D two 322 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: connector UM Google search O B D two breakout box. 323 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: I think you'll buy one because you're gonna say, gee, 324 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: how did I ever get along without this? They're not expensive, 325 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: they're under two bucks. And what it does is it 326 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,640 Speaker 1: takes it will take the O B D two connectors, 327 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: the pins and put them down in front of you 328 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: in a pegboard style connection. So now you can take 329 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: your scope leads and it will. They usually identify on 330 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: their can bus can one can two high low and 331 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: so forth. Now you can plug into the high cereal 332 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: can and put a scope pattern up because it's it's 333 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: you know, I just want to make sure there's a 334 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: fairly simple test and a fairly quick test. I just 335 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: want to make sure that we don't have a communication 336 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 1: fault keeping the car from running, because I'm still thinking 337 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: about the original problem that has started with. If your 338 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: camp censor is good, if your crank sensor is good, 339 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: let's attack the original problem. If you can figure out 340 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: how to do the camp a serial data plus test 341 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: this week, put a pattern up. We can talk about 342 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: this again next week. I'm sorry, I'm up against the 343 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 1: clock out. We've gotta get you some more time. Um, 344 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: I'm not anating in The car doctor coming up next. 345 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: Jason Seles will be back right after this when the 346 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: family car needs some fixing. There's only two things that 347 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: really matter, getting the right part and getting some good advice. 348 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: It's a pretty safe bet that, with over a million 349 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: parts in stock, pet Boys has the right part right now. 350 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: The pet Boys pros are extensively trained to find the 351 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: right part for just about any car truck. Better yet, 352 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: these pros can also handle the entire installation or so 353 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: of us needed. It's always good to have options and 354 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: no the pet Boys pros have it covered either way. Hey, 355 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: Ron Andining and the car Doctor, we are back you know, 356 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: A g M batteries at the top of everybody's mind today. 357 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 1: It's always a question of how much electrical power do 358 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: I need? And does an A g M battery really 359 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: give it to me? And it's becoming commonplace on many 360 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: many cars, and we thought we would reach out to 361 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: an industry expertise. Jason Surley is the VP of lead 362 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: acid battery technology for Johnson Controls and we're happy to 363 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: have them with us here today. Jason, welcome aboard. Thank 364 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: you very much. Run happy to be here. Help our 365 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: listeners understand what exactly is an a g M battery. Okay, 366 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: no problem. So a g M the letters stand for 367 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: absorbent glass maps and it's a precision engineered lead acid battery. 368 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: Here at John's Control's Power Solutions or the industry leader 369 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: for manufacturing lead acid batteries not only here in the US, 370 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: but also around the world, and we're also the largest 371 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: manufacture of these next generation UH precision technology a g 372 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 1: M lead acid batteries. The way a g M differs 373 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: from flooded is in the battery technology, as all the 374 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: electrolytes or acid is absorbed within the glass mats and 375 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: the plates versus a flooded technology that has free flowing acid. 376 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: The a g M system also has a valve system installed, 377 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 1: which promotes a unique feature called recombination, which recombin The 378 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: recombines the free gases in the battery and regenerates water 379 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: back in the south. So it's so ideally, I'm sorry, 380 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: it's so it's sort of self contains itself in terms 381 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: in terms of um. You know, the water part of 382 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: the moisture part of the battery is always contained and 383 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: recycled back in to keep the battery going and uh 384 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: longer fresher does Is this where we get into the 385 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 1: conversation about cycling. Yes, so it's also recombination also is 386 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: a part of the it's unique feature and the and 387 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: the fact that it's it is a valve regulated batter 388 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: it's uniqu feature of being able to cycle um and 389 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: provide you know, this this changing demand on what today's 390 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: vehicles are expecting from the battery, and it's ideally suited 391 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 1: for these high electrical demand conventional vehicles, but also the 392 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: high electrical demand start stop vehicles where cycling and safety 393 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: have become a critical piece. Can someone if they've got 394 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: an original you know, an older car with an original 395 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: lead acid battery. Um, if they put an A g 396 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: M battery in place of that, does that have any 397 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: effect on the vehicle, the the electrical of the charging system. Um, 398 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: it does not have any effect regarding the charging system. 399 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: In fact, Um, the more modern charging systems going back 400 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: into the the late eighties, early nineties, you know, are 401 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: compatible with A g M technology. Um. They they the 402 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: A g M technology is able to charge just fine, 403 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: and the charging system itself doesn't have any conflict with that. So, 404 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: you know, batteries or age I'm sorry, a GM batteries 405 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: you hear in the marketplace today that they're you know, 406 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: they're more vibration resistant. Right. We we see all these 407 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: off road vehicles with these A g M batteries and 408 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: they're touted as you know, you can take it through 409 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: the ball off one thousand and the battery will survive. 410 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: Talk about vibration resistance, what's that about? Sure? So A 411 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: g M batteries are more vibration resistant to the battery 412 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: construction where the cells are packed tightly and under high compression. 413 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: What this does It holds the internal materials tightly together 414 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: to resist breakdown in a flooded battery. The plates are 415 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: positioned loosely in the case in free flowing acid, which 416 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,360 Speaker 1: makes them more susceptible to vibration damage. This is more 417 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: commonly seen in enthusiasts, off road and heavy duty applications. 418 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: But the more important question to answer here is for 419 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 1: everyday vehicles, how A g M batteries are addressing the 420 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: cycling piece. UM. A g M batteries are designed to 421 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: offer optimized performance in the key areas a floated battery cannot, 422 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: including operation at partial state of charge, ability to recharge quickly, 423 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: and the ability to charge and discharge representedvely, also known 424 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: as cycling. The ability to cycle is a critical part 425 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: of how batteries performed not only in today's demands, but 426 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: how they'll also address the increasing demands of tomorrow. How 427 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: do you know the cars of today, I mean, there's 428 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: so much electronics in them, right? Is that why the 429 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: cars of today require demand more performance from a battery? 430 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: And then the second part of my my thought was, 431 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: you know, um, you know where exactly, um is the 432 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: major benefit of using that A g M in today's car. 433 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: So it's it's partially the electrical demands, um, it's also 434 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: the increasing expectations of how people are using their vehicles. 435 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: So vehicle systems are very complex, driving increased electrical loads 436 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: to serve one the rapidly increasing consumer comfort devices. So 437 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: this is your heating, your heated steering wheels, heated seats. 438 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: UM number two, the safety devices, including autonomous functionality, which 439 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: is collision avoidance that's becoming more prevalent, lane departure more prevalent, 440 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: even some of the highway self drive. And three the 441 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: regulatory piece reducing fuel consumption and CEO two emissions UM. 442 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: This part is the alternate or load management you see 443 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: in today's conventional vehicles, the conversion of devices to electric 444 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: and fans pumps, and the implementation of start stop systems. 445 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: You are all driving a much greater increase regarding the 446 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: batteri's ability to performed from an electrical load standpoint. All 447 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: this builds up into that cycling component I had mentioned 448 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: before where A GM batteries are best suited to address that. 449 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: Is there a better I'm sorry, is there a particular 450 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: type of vehicle that is better suited for an a 451 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: g M battery. So I wouldn't limit it to a 452 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: specific particular type. I would call it out as how 453 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: electrical demand vehicles are best suited by GM and high 454 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: demand vehicles are not. You know, only the common examples 455 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: of luxury vehicles trucks, minivans, SUVs, but they can also 456 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: be common sedans like a Toyota Camera or a Honda 457 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: a Lantra. And the reason for that is how those 458 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: different vehicles have implemented different load management strategies where the 459 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: battery is more actively used as an act of power source. 460 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: And there's really three key points to understand here. You know, 461 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 1: is the vehicle high demand due to electrical devices on 462 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: board or how the vehicle manages loads and un how 463 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: it utilizes the battery. You know, Two is how is 464 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: the vehicle going to use um How is a person 465 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: going to use the vehicle? You know, short trips, for example, 466 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: put a lot of stress on the batteri's ability to 467 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: perform because it gets a limited amount of time to 468 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: get recharged. And three, it's that environment the batteries are 469 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,640 Speaker 1: operating within, so that high underhood temperatures, high external temperatures, 470 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: traffic patterns that we see with increasing urbanization today are 471 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: all putting you know, more stresses on the battery's ability 472 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: to to recharge and and perform in these high demand applications. 473 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: So you know, let's take somebody with that Toyota camera. UM. 474 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: As we look at the clock, we've got about two minutes, 475 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: two minutes left, Jason UM. If we look at the 476 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: if we look at somebody with that Toyota camera, UM, 477 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: why do they want to pay premium? Why do they 478 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: want to put an a g M battery in that 479 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: car that's had to lead acid battery in it all 480 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: this time. You know, the premium is really paid for 481 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: the fact that this is a highly engineered, precision a 482 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: GM product. It's justified by delivering the consumer satisfied experience. 483 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: You know, they don't want to be stuck, you know 484 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,679 Speaker 1: in a situation in the middle of winter, you know, 485 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: in that early morning where they're going to crank over 486 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: that engine and that battery is not there to perform. 487 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: So these increasing vehicle demands and how we use that vehicle, 488 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: you can lead to that short life battery life and 489 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: lead to that premature failure. AGM ensures that the battery 490 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 1: will offer the performance you needed to address these increasing demands. 491 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's full and it's full going into winter. 492 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: I mean the listeners are beginning to pay attention to 493 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: that um will an a g M battery perform better 494 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: than a standard battery and the cold weather that's coming. 495 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: So a GM batteries do offer the ultimate performance in 496 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: temperature extremes, not only in terms that that cold you mentioned, 497 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: but also hot weather as well. You know, a g 498 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: M and the cold weather does offer superior recharge performance 499 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: over flooded technology. Combined with the increasing demands you know 500 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: of the vehicle and the user, you know, a g 501 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: M is offering that ultimate peace of mind. You know, really, 502 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, this time of the year really should 503 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: prompt you to to go out and get your your 504 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: battery checked, and a g M can be that ideal 505 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: battery choice. Where can the listeners get more information? So 506 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: we've got some different sources available. One is Auto Batteries 507 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: dot com as a key place, and you can find 508 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: out about battery technology application, you know a lot more 509 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 1: about a GM batteries and how they're serving these demands. 510 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: Another one is also our website, Johnson Controls dot com 511 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: or also you can use j c I dot com 512 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: as well. Got you all righty listen? Jason Searles, VP 513 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: Advanced Lead acid battery technology for Johnson Controls. We appreciate 514 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: you taking the time today, and uh, thanks, I feel 515 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: like I'm so much more knowledge well now about a 516 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: GM batteries. UM. I can't wait to get back to 517 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: the shop next week and start to use that that information. You. Thanks, 518 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: thank you, and you have a good a great day. 519 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You're very welcome. Take good care 520 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: when you get keep Ron's number hand eight five five 521 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: five six zero nine zero zero for when you really 522 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: need advice on your car. Here's Robb Hey. That was UM. 523 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: I enjoyed that with Jason Cheryls. I'm glad he took 524 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: the time to stop by today, Tommy. And uh, only 525 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: question I have is where do I find one of 526 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: these a GM batteries. A great topic, interesting and very 527 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: very very very informative. Well a GM batteries are you 528 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: know every we we hear the term a GM batteries 529 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,239 Speaker 1: are becoming very mainstream. They've been used for more than 530 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: a few years now in a lot of cars. You know, 531 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: Johnson Controls Power Solutions is the leading producer of a 532 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: GM batteries UM here in the USA and around the world. 533 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: And you know a lot of the O ese uh 534 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: and aftermarket used Johnson Controls Power Solution batteries. You can 535 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: get them. They're just like any other battery. You can 536 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: get them, you know at the leading auto ports stores, 537 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: Advanced Auto Parts, Auto Zone and the like. So, um, 538 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, very easy to pick up and just just 539 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: just an upgrade to your battery if you want to 540 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: think of it like that. That's cool because I'm planning 541 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: on getting one and wiring into your chair next week. 542 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: Oh boy, will that be exciting. Um, that means it'll 543 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: be a big shock to do the show next week. 544 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: Ye give kick, I still got it. Let's go over 545 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: and talk to Paul and Virginia. Paul saved me. Um, 546 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: how are you today, sir? Alright? Not what's going on? 547 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: I know this this this is the eighty seven Bronco 548 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: with a gazillion miles on it. Yeah well yeah, well 549 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: I'll say of thousand. Yeah. Um. I've got a a 550 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: rear light issue on the left hand side. The bright 551 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: light turns tabinal hazard. None of that works. The chail 552 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: I does. Everything works up front, Everything works from the 553 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: right hand set. So it sounds like a ground. I've 554 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: checked that it's not ground and not the issue Yeah, 555 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: I think I think it's ground two and I think 556 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: that's the I think it's common to both sides. I 557 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: think I think the ground splits and it's the same 558 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: ground both sides. Maybe I'm thinking, um, well, and you know, 559 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: of course there would the ground could be better socket, 560 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: but I I use the like the bumper as as 561 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: a ground, and uh, well let's let's let's let's let's 562 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: do this. Let's let's go to the socket. Um. Just 563 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,239 Speaker 1: because of the age of the vehicle, you know, I 564 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: want to I want to know what's going on ahead 565 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: of the socket. Can we get to the harness before 566 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: the socket? Yeah? I suck the probe right into the 567 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: back of the socket. Okay, so it's going right to 568 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: the wire. I would you know, well, where's the where's 569 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: the connector to the socket? Is it at the socket 570 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: or is there a little is this like a pigtail 571 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what this looks like in eight seven? 572 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,960 Speaker 1: Is this is this an extension that there's you know, 573 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: three four inches of wire and then there's a pigtail 574 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: connector that unplugs. Can we unplug it there and then 575 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: maybe go in just just find a bub and wire 576 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 1: it up to ground um, and you know, do we 577 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: can we can we get a ball to work outside 578 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: the socket? Is what I'm trying to get at. Yeah, 579 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: it's it's been well, I've been driving uh a another 580 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: vehicle which enough to drive on a daily basis, and 581 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: so this has been a while, has been set and 582 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: then the weather's not being cooperative. Well, but you know, 583 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: can we you know, can we can we get to 584 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: another portion of the harness because listen, it's it's either 585 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: it's either somewhere in the socket all right, soccet or 586 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: the housing or how it grounds and we just don't 587 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: see it yet, or it's in the wiring feeding the socket. 588 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: So let's break it down in the middle. Let's let's 589 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: let's let's cut the circuit in half. Let's see if 590 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: what we're feeding back from the directional switch from from 591 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: the front of the vehicle to the rear is correct. 592 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: If it's good up until that pigtail connector, then we 593 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: know the problem is either in the housing, the socket 594 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: or the harness leading into it. I mean, it's it's 595 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 1: it's really that simple. Not to overcomplicate this, so you 596 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: can use anything from you know, here's a great idea 597 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: for using a headlight. Uh, you know, an old school 598 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: square around headlight or just you know it, It's probably 599 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: be easier than doing it with a ball. If you 600 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 1: have to have a bulb wired up or a test light, 601 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: you have an old school, you know, old fashioned bright 602 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: bulb test light. Yeah, I've I've got some square and 603 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: round bulb. Yeah, you know, let's just let's let's just 604 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: build it. Let's just build a lamp socket. Um uh, 605 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: and I would ground. I would ground specifically right to 606 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: the negative battery terminal. Forget the bumper and everything else, 607 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: because if the problem has got to do with rust 608 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: older vehicle, let's make the circuit work. Let's know leading 609 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: up to you know that first three inches up to 610 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: the socket. Let's know that it's good there. If it's 611 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: good there, if you can make it work there, then 612 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: you're down to it's it's good there. It's either the socket, 613 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: the ground, or the contacts in the housing. What else 614 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: can it be? Right now? If if the wiring has 615 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: failed somewhere from the front to the back, right, then 616 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: would it seems it seems like I'm I just wanna 617 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: to work by you? Would it be feasible then to 618 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: run a wire from the right hand side frank light 619 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: to the left, and then from the front turnsting the 620 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: light to the back. I'll tell you what. I'll have 621 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: a broke light. I'll tell you what. Paul, women, hang 622 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: on a second. Let we pull over and take this plug. 623 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: We'll deal with this when I come back. I'm run 624 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: on the end of the car. Doctor, don't go away, 625 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: flucome back ran an ending car. Doc. Let's go over 626 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: to Paul again in Virginia. Paul, you're still there, real quick. 627 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: We got a minute and a half. What do you 628 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 1: what do you want to do? Okay, what I'm thinking 629 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 1: is right wire from the right hand side to the 630 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: left for the brake and then run another wire from 631 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: the left front. So w I have a to the 632 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: back to so I have turn signal and hazard. Yeah, 633 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: well we're gonna run. If we're gonna run one wire 634 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: front to back, why don't we just run to and 635 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,840 Speaker 1: be done with it. Well, Uh, the reason why to 636 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: go for a right to the left would be for 637 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: the break light. Neither the break light nor the turn 638 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: sagnal hazard works only the only the chail light. We're 639 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: on the left side. Did I ever tell you the 640 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: story about how Dirty Ernie lost his corvet. No, so 641 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: dirty Ernie had a wiring problem on his corvet in 642 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,359 Speaker 1: high school and I remember this, and he started playing 643 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: around with wiring the rear lights. It was actually a 644 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: real light problem, kind of like you're talking about. Corbous 645 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: had problems with the wiring harnesses in the trunk because 646 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: the engine was back there and it got hot and 647 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: he wired. It's sort of like what you're doing, and 648 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: he ended up the car ended up catching fire when 649 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: the electrical system overloaded, and that's how he lost his 650 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: first car. And my point is when you're dealing with 651 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: electrical wire, it the way the fact rewired it as 652 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: painful as it is now doing something wrong, not knowing 653 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: what you're trying to fix by correcting a wiring issue 654 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 1: can lead to a much bigger problem. I'm on anaying 655 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: the car doctor, the mechanics aren't expensive, Kip, priceless