Speaker 1: They around the NFL podcast once to get a haircut
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady from the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's
Speaker 1: around the NFL.
Speaker 2: I am Mystic Damn Hansis and I'm joined by heroes
Speaker 2: Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler. Right before we started, Mark was
Speaker 2: making a joke instead of Cabo. He said Cabo, and
Speaker 2: everyone freaked behind the glass and in front of it.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm not you know, you know, three times a
Speaker 3: month traveling outside of the country for some flighty vacation.
Speaker 2: We were there is this some type of internal gathering
Speaker 2: here where I think they're going to Cambo, but we
Speaker 2: weren't even invited.
Speaker 1: We've got that week.
Speaker 2: We have now aged out, slashed a slash, kind of
Speaker 2: been out of the mix up within this building that
Speaker 2: no one's even checking and kicking the tires on the
Speaker 2: old heroes whether they.
Speaker 1: Want to be involved.
Speaker 3: I don't like what I don't I don't have any
Speaker 3: problem with not being invited, becaus it makes a lot
Speaker 3: of sense, but it never is that we wouldn't be
Speaker 3: any fun, and I don't find that assumption correct. If
Speaker 3: you put us down and you know, you can fill
Speaker 3: in the foot on the blank island or locale.
Speaker 1: I think we could bring fun.
Speaker 4: Mark trying to rebuild his reputation once the rebound from
Speaker 4: the tough start of the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say some words differentely have a constantly critique for.
Speaker 2: It feels like a lot's gone on since we last
Speaker 2: did a show.
Speaker 1: It's one of those type things.
Speaker 2: Jordan Rodrigue was a huge hit done around the NFC.
Speaker 2: We kept telling her, Jill, you're doing great, Listeners are
Speaker 2: going to love you, and sure enough, like a huge
Speaker 2: outpouring out there in the Internet that Jordan is.
Speaker 1: As a killer in studio guest.
Speaker 2: And we should have her again a groundswell soon, and
Speaker 2: I believe we will in time. Let's see what else happened.
Speaker 2: Mark went to the Tom Brady roast. We're going to
Speaker 2: get to that in a little bit.
Speaker 1: Greggie.
Speaker 2: I know you like Wrap Drake and Kendrick Lamar. They've
Speaker 2: been feuding for days. We missed that. We missed that window.
Speaker 2: We could add so much discourse.
Speaker 4: For weeks, but we didn't miss it. It sort of
Speaker 4: was still going as of last night.
Speaker 2: So this would be well to how he subtly corrected
Speaker 2: me to let the rap heads know that he gets it.
Speaker 1: I just say it like it. I actually it did
Speaker 1: feel like last night was maybe the end of it.
Speaker 1: So now you know, it's a sight.
Speaker 2: I feel like we missed, but maybe it's been for weeks.
Speaker 2: But I feel like right after the show ended, Drake
Speaker 2: and Kendrick.
Speaker 1: Yes Thursday night, it was let's yeah, let's turn this.
Speaker 2: Into a wildfire and put the guys in a tough
Speaker 2: spot as happens with the news sometimes.
Speaker 1: That was their main motivation. That was it.
Speaker 4: I was like, where are you going with this? Because
Speaker 4: not much football news happened in between. But yes, you know, now.
Speaker 2: The free agency is in the rear view, the draft
Speaker 2: is in the rear view, rookie camps underway, OTA's and
Speaker 2: all that other stuff.
Speaker 1: It's coming up.
Speaker 2: What what's left like with these teams when you look
Speaker 2: at these rosters, they now have their opportunity, these teams,
Speaker 2: they have their opportunity to.
Speaker 1: Plug all the holes. But have they That's the question.
Speaker 2: And we're going to get into teams where there's still
Speaker 2: stuff hanging out there. There's still question marks around these rosters.
Speaker 2: So we'll get into that. But but first, but first,
Speaker 2: anything Greg here, I got you in the corner of
Speaker 2: my eye. Do you want to lookover.
Speaker 1: No, I'm good. Let's do some news, Ronk.
Speaker 3: I've been watching on Fox NFL Sunday and I'm begging
Speaker 3: you please stop doing your job.
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick at the Tom Brady Roast. That's courtesy of Netflix. Mark.
Speaker 1: What was the vibe there at the Fabulous Forum? It's
Speaker 1: pretty wild.
Speaker 3: I was telling Greg beforehand that it reminded me of
Speaker 3: even when we've gone to whether it's like Thursday night
Speaker 3: football here and at SOFI or the Super Bowl, We're
Speaker 3: like when you watch it the Televisi copylater, like the
Speaker 3: halftime show looks completely different, Like parts of the game
Speaker 3: look completely different, things that you just wouldn't see being
Speaker 3: there as a human. Like I had that feeling with
Speaker 3: this because it was a wild rackus setting. I was
Speaker 3: up in the not the cheap seats, but close so
Speaker 3: you couldn't really see.
Speaker 1: You got these as a gift right to take?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what are your thoughts and maybe whoever got them
Speaker 2: for you? Not going that extra mile getting a little
Speaker 2: closer to the stage. Let's stop down just to talk
Speaker 2: about that a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's that wasn't my main takeaway.
Speaker 3: Like I kind of liked, you know, I think the
Speaker 3: price increased drastically as you try to get closer to that.
Speaker 3: All right, I'm sorry, age, but yeah, like okay, I'll
Speaker 3: think about that.
Speaker 4: I'm definitely pulled some favors here and gotten probably up.
Speaker 3: I was actually asked verse why that didn't happen so
Speaker 3: and it was not a critique. It was more just
Speaker 3: and ample questions, like I don't know anyone at this
Speaker 3: company anymore.
Speaker 1: Let's start there. I know, like six mark this company bigger, bigger.
Speaker 3: I also, you know, I don't if you get a surprise,
Speaker 3: you don't want to then try to rate it.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a electric atmosphere.
Speaker 3: And I think the one thing that I noticed besides
Speaker 3: like what is this going to be a bunch of
Speaker 3: like transplanted Patriots fans And we were sitting near like
Speaker 3: a flock of like drunken, angry Giants fans who were
Speaker 3: like rasing Tom Brady from the bleachers and the states.
Speaker 3: So it was kind of a wild crowd up where
Speaker 3: we were, and I think about richer and more wealthy
Speaker 3: as you got closer to the stage. Right fun time,
Speaker 3: there wasn't like it was three hours long, Like there
Speaker 3: wasn't a down moment. I thought that those things are
Speaker 3: typically good, but they nailed it like over and over,
Speaker 3: and I thought the one thing, I thought like it
Speaker 3: was good for the Patriots too, because like suddenly you're
Speaker 3: in this moment where it's like Bill Belichick and Brady
Speaker 3: were coaxed up to do a shot together Robert Kraft,
Speaker 3: who took a number of strays early in the show.
Speaker 2: Including one that led Tom Brady to actually threaten the
Speaker 2: roastmaster General Jeff Ross.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I assume that's like the kind
Speaker 3: of thing we didn't catch sitting where we're seeming to
Speaker 3: be on TV. I released, it caused a big stir,
Speaker 3: but they it's like all these patriots were there and
Speaker 3: after like the documentary that came out and stuff, it
Speaker 3: seemed to do a lot more to honor the Patriots
Speaker 3: in a weird, roundabout way than that documentary. Like they
Speaker 3: all seemed much happier to do this, even though at
Speaker 3: the times, like the look on Tom Brady's face seemed like,
Speaker 3: maybe stop mentioning Giselle for the four hundredth time, and
Speaker 3: what's been taken from either of our fortunes.
Speaker 2: I think that's, yeah, part of the reason why I
Speaker 2: wasn't interested in watching it live because I think Claybehn
Speaker 2: made the point and I did too. I've avoided a
Speaker 2: lot of this post Patriots after glow the productions because
Speaker 2: I just don't need more Patriots like there's if you're
Speaker 2: a Patriots fan, you're all over it.
Speaker 1: If you don't have any type of complicated.
Speaker 2: Relationship with the Patriots, maybe if you just love it
Speaker 2: because it's football content. I was perfectly fine with, you know,
Speaker 2: seeing what came out in Twitter, and there was some
Speaker 2: you know, good stuff out there, some funny lines, and
Speaker 2: I thought Belichick, you know, he he had a good
Speaker 2: one or one written for him where he talked about,
Speaker 2: you know that he was at this roast and he
Speaker 2: mentioned that the that aforementioned Patriots ten part documentary was
Speaker 2: also like the Bill Belichick rot, which any the crowd
Speaker 2: kind of got into. Uh. I have some insider reporting.
Speaker 2: I want to get out there at a T a.
Speaker 1: T media insiders insider damn can go to the zoos
Speaker 1: in the morning, except no substitutes.
Speaker 2: All right, So being an insider comes with responsibility. It
Speaker 2: comes with important and necessary.
Speaker 1: Guardrails.
Speaker 2: Yeah, knowing what to report, knowing what to Holster. The
Speaker 2: best of us have a whole notepad filled of scoops
Speaker 2: that we never share. Yeah, it's a dance, I would imagine.
Speaker 2: And that's for relationships and so much more. I say
Speaker 2: this because I want to report something that uh kind
Speaker 2: of touches on this. I have multiple connected to this
Speaker 2: event that said when Greg reported Bill Belichick would be
Speaker 2: on the roast, which is, by the way, information I
Speaker 2: also had that had holstered. The producers were so upset
Speaker 2: because Bill Belichick contemplated dropping out of the event because
Speaker 2: he wanted it to be a surprise. And thank god
Speaker 2: he was talked into appearing on the show, the program
Speaker 2: because it was one of the hits of the night
Speaker 2: having him there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just want to put it out there.
Speaker 2: He was there, but it went from him doing it
Speaker 2: to him we might be losing Bill because of Gregy,
Speaker 2: his reporting, putting it out there and making it no
Speaker 2: longer a surprise, which Bill desperately according to my sources,
Speaker 2: multiple sources very close to the event had said that
Speaker 2: Bill did not want this to get out beforehand. So
Speaker 2: on one level, Greg, yes, you have the scoopage. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's great. You want the truth, You go to
Speaker 2: the Rosenthal on the other hand, doesn't ring his uh poetic.
Speaker 2: It came very close to hashtag Greg your ruins everything. Well,
Speaker 2: maybe so we got to talk about what what what
Speaker 2: matters ultimately in the world.
Speaker 4: Ultimately, Hey, I did the truth matters. I believe getting
Speaker 4: it out there matters. But also you're getting it from
Speaker 4: a source. Maybe also inside the production that multiple source
Speaker 4: hunted it out there. So right, the one that wanted
Speaker 4: the information out there that maybe it'd be good for
Speaker 4: Buzz that would be happy with it being out there.
Speaker 4: So maybe they calculated what could happen based on that,
Speaker 4: and they realized in the end Bill Belichick was out there.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm not protecting the fat cats.
Speaker 4: Up there in the in the high falutant offices making
Speaker 4: all the money.
Speaker 1: I go to the truth. And then he got he
Speaker 1: got out there. He was up there.
Speaker 2: I mean this the other way around, Right, you were
Speaker 2: protecting the fat cats and doing their work for them,
Speaker 2: you were carrying their water in promoting the event. I
Speaker 2: just thought to where Bill himself was the one that
Speaker 2: was I didn't want that out there, and then the audience,
Speaker 2: us average Joe's we almost missed having Bill there and
Speaker 2: all the fun from the event.
Speaker 1: I thought, listen, I'm not this isn't me throwing daggers
Speaker 1: at you. Greg. I know we're kind of now competitors.
Speaker 2: I see you in some ways as like a hungry
Speaker 2: young apprentice in this game. So I I don't want
Speaker 2: to come down on you hard. I'm just letting you
Speaker 2: know this was this was what was happening around the story.
Speaker 3: It's like me that that Belichick if he even contemplated
Speaker 3: in the eleventh hour not attending this, that if he's
Speaker 3: that sensitive, right, I don't such a such.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that I could believe that that he
Speaker 1: would be unhappy. I don't think. I also don't believe
Speaker 1: it really.
Speaker 3: Was about to Also, by the way it would have
Speaker 3: had the people the whole thing's written in, it's on teleprompter,
Speaker 3: it would have had to cause everyone to wipe out.
Speaker 3: That happens now, that's it. I don't need to be
Speaker 3: taught that. I understand that it would have been an annoyance.
Speaker 3: I thank you television man, but like it's like, that's
Speaker 3: not it's just that it would have been hyper annoying,
Speaker 3: like he was the centerpiece of the show.
Speaker 1: My point exactly. We almost lost them over here.
Speaker 3: I mean, you're you're trying to seek truth. I get it, Greg,
Speaker 3: but you know, but.
Speaker 4: Also there's different and maybe they calculate. I don't think
Speaker 4: Bill Belichick would have been so sensitive. And as for
Speaker 4: the surprise aspect, I have to guess for ninety five
Speaker 4: percent of the people watching that they did not know
Speaker 4: Belichick was gonna be on that anyways, not everyone is
Speaker 4: like living on.
Speaker 1: But then when he's on it, it also wasn't a surprise.
Speaker 1: What do you mean.
Speaker 3: I didn't find it surprising that I thought that either
Speaker 3: like Britt Belichick or Gazelle, one of the two would
Speaker 3: somehow getow.
Speaker 4: I would not have Gizelle would have been shocking to me.
Speaker 4: And I'm with you that.
Speaker 1: That toology doing like a ton of media, right.
Speaker 4: Tom Brady looked. You know, those were hard because it's
Speaker 4: it's his family. It's painful. He's getting all these karate jokes,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: And I didn't.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen the whole thing, but I watched beginning
Speaker 4: like that in Belichick and enough so far just because
Speaker 4: it was out and that that's got to be painful,
Speaker 4: and it reminded me of the timing to this because
Speaker 4: we it's like, why is tom Brady doing this? Like
Speaker 4: I saw some people say like, oh, who would you
Speaker 4: want to roast next?
Speaker 1: Out of athletes?
Speaker 4: And I just can't imagine a there's enough people that
Speaker 4: are important enough that would that it would be this compelling,
Speaker 4: and then of the people important enough, like why would
Speaker 4: you even really want to do that? And it got
Speaker 4: me thinking of that the gestation project of this because
Speaker 4: because we know through our original reporting this was supposed
Speaker 4: to be a couple of years ago before he ever
Speaker 4: got divorced, that we thought he might be retiring, in
Speaker 4: part because this was like cautiously on an upcoming docket
Speaker 4: of what he was planning to do in his post life,
Speaker 4: and at that point it was too late to back out.
Speaker 1: Although he's Tom Brady, he could have backed out.
Speaker 4: And he came off great in it, and he took
Speaker 4: the jokes and he did fine when when he had some.
Speaker 1: Of the craft that was getting up on a dais
Speaker 1: and thrown out a threat.
Speaker 4: That made me wonder, and I I no information, but
Speaker 4: knowing how these things work, there are things that are
Speaker 4: off limits. Absolutely wonder Not much was often, but in
Speaker 4: terms of how tom Brady was treated.
Speaker 1: That made me wonder if that was off out and
Speaker 1: delving into it.
Speaker 2: I would imagine that was one of the agreements for
Speaker 2: the owner to come on this show do not involve
Speaker 2: certain conversations, and they did. Brady was very steadfast about that.
Speaker 2: Probably he was probably furious about it. Yeah, Actually he
Speaker 2: was fearing us, furious enough to get up and.
Speaker 1: Whisper in the ear.
Speaker 4: I do love that Belichick spent like, weirdly like a
Speaker 4: minute doing three Matt Lighte jokes, which was like, what
Speaker 4: that was one takeaway on a night that was great.
Speaker 4: I think for Patriots fans it did feel like a
Speaker 4: little bit of closure. Seeing Belichick and Brady go back
Speaker 4: and forth was awesome. Mad Patrios, I'm mad.
Speaker 2: I love even Yeah, and I totally could see that
Speaker 2: being the case, Like I could see why even as
Speaker 2: you know the way things ended. It's never fun when
Speaker 2: things end. But Bill and Tom ultimately being cool makes
Speaker 2: sense to me. They they went through so much together,
Speaker 2: They're linked forever in history.
Speaker 1: They love you love each other.
Speaker 2: I'm sure the owner and the coach situation, well that's recent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And the way if I were Bill, the way that documentary,
Speaker 2: the Apple documentary played out, it wouldn't it wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Go down so easy.
Speaker 2: So he wasn't down to play ball in that respect,
Speaker 2: and uh, let's get to the news.
Speaker 1: Great job by the writers, by the way.
Speaker 3: They they nailed it, like the one like Tony Hinchcliff,
Speaker 3: who has his own show, like he these guys that
Speaker 3: probably Tom Brady's never heard of. For the most partly,
Speaker 3: he came up and thanked Gronk Forinchcliff.
Speaker 1: He's pretty big he is in that world and not
Speaker 1: like in the roast world.
Speaker 3: But he thanked Gronk for taking a break from writing
Speaker 3: letters to Santa to join them, like Gronk took about
Speaker 3: eight hundred like Rid he was had a.
Speaker 2: Great line making fun of Tom losing thirty million in
Speaker 2: crypto and he's like, even Gronk knows that you don't
Speaker 2: mess up no no real money, Grok no do is
Speaker 2: like yes, good joke.
Speaker 4: And uh yeah, friend of the show, our former core
Speaker 4: Chris Brockman, you know his his partner Sarah Tiana was
Speaker 4: one of the writers, and Gaily does a show with
Speaker 4: Dave Damasik was one of the writers.
Speaker 2: I'll connected my throwback podcast partner and Bosom Buddy Bob
Speaker 2: Cash and worked on the project as well. Fun uh
Speaker 2: so good stuff all fun. Let us now, and I
Speaker 2: think it was a big success too, good job seem
Speaker 2: get Also, never underestimate dropping something at the right time.
Speaker 2: The greatest example always be the last dance with Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan in the middle of COVID. But if you drop
Speaker 2: something like this on Sunday night, may fifth like it's
Speaker 2: gonna do well.
Speaker 3: The one mistake I made this was a grave mistake
Speaker 3: I reallysed about eighty two seconds into the affair was
Speaker 3: that I texted, like Luke and Colton, my children who
Speaker 3: are still young, It's like Dad's gonna be watching this
Speaker 3: Tom Brady event at the forum, like check it out
Speaker 3: and like it. You know, within about a minute into it,
Speaker 3: like everybody part had been mentioned, every swear that you
Speaker 3: could come up.
Speaker 1: Daddy, who's Aaron Hernandez. That would have been the least
Speaker 1: my waring.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you got a sharply worded tweet, no response
Speaker 2: from other parties involved. I meant, all right, let's get
Speaker 2: in to it. Odell Beckham, I'm.
Speaker 1: Pretty sure I mentioned this is definitely where he's gonna
Speaker 1: end up.
Speaker 2: He was always gonna end up in Miami playing for
Speaker 2: the Dolphins at some point in his life, and now
Speaker 2: it is upon US rap sheet reported that Miami's expected
Speaker 2: to sign veteran wide out Odell Beckham.
Speaker 1: One year deal up to eight point twenty five million,
Speaker 1: So that's myam. The base salary is three million here.
Speaker 2: Now, this was a guy who I think he made
Speaker 2: fifteen guaranteed with Baltimore. That was one of the worst
Speaker 2: free agency signings of last year. So this is now
Speaker 2: more in line with where Odell Beckham is now. I mean,
Speaker 2: I would assume he's finally in his thirties, probably about
Speaker 2: thirty one now. Feels like he's been around forever obviously,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he's not an old wide receiver, but he's
Speaker 2: had some major, serious injuries. It should be pointed out
Speaker 2: that in addition to the injuries, Gregie Baltimore kind of
Speaker 2: phased him out of the offense down the stretch and
Speaker 2: did not show interest in bringing him back. But if
Speaker 2: you want to spend positive, if you want to talk
Speaker 2: yourself into Odell Beckham yet again in the offseason going
Speaker 2: there as the third banana in the offense, maybe he
Speaker 2: gives them something at South Beach.
Speaker 1: I think he's a role player.
Speaker 4: Right now, he's getting paid as a low level wide receiver,
Speaker 4: low role player.
Speaker 1: Like maybe we're going to mention the DJ Shark signing.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: He went to go ahead the Chargers and it's like Tim,
Speaker 4: those guys are making similar money.
Speaker 1: I think Shark is actually making more.
Speaker 4: So that's sort of the level I'm talking about, which
Speaker 4: is a third, fourth receiver. And when he was on
Speaker 4: the field last year, he was a potentially useful player
Speaker 4: just in that role and being on an offense with
Speaker 4: Waddle and with Tyreek Hill, like he's gonna be in
Speaker 4: really ideal circumstances and he could be helpful in that
Speaker 4: role because I going through their you know, lineup, they
Speaker 4: have a big drop off after those two. They have
Speaker 4: Braxton Barrios as their three. They don't really have a three.
Speaker 4: So he could contribute, but he just can't stay on
Speaker 4: the field. That was his biggest issue in Baltimore is
Speaker 4: like he couldn't stay healthy for more than three games
Speaker 4: in a row.
Speaker 1: Since maybe his fourth year. Because he can't stay healthy.
Speaker 4: Right there is a couple crossing patterns with Baltimore where
Speaker 4: he actually got the ball in the open fields, Like
Speaker 4: he still was pretty explosive, but he just couldn't stay
Speaker 4: healthier consistent.
Speaker 3: They drafted in the league Washington Do I think what
Speaker 3: I like about it is that the ceiling there aren't
Speaker 3: that there is only a handful of teams with an
Speaker 3: absolutely locked and loaded one and two at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: So clearly, yes, he's the third guy there.
Speaker 3: But I trust, like Mike McDaniel to get the most
Speaker 3: out of almost any player on that side of the
Speaker 3: ball more than I do Todd Monkin in the first
Speaker 3: year with a Ravens team that was trying to amp
Speaker 3: up and become more balanced. But it's like Odell did
Speaker 3: get better down down the stretch, but then the limited
Speaker 3: his role. So it's like, I kind of think this
Speaker 3: is a perfect landing spot. It always made sense Devil's advocate.
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing that the Dolphins need to get
Speaker 2: better at is being a late season football team, like
Speaker 2: being a kind of a badass team when the elements
Speaker 2: turn against you. And Odell Beckham wearing seventeen layers of closing,
Speaker 2: his entire face covered up except for his eyes in
Speaker 2: January something I could picture and don't imagine. He's that
Speaker 2: guy that's that rough and tumble guy to take you
Speaker 2: to the problem.
Speaker 3: That's also one of about eight players on offense that
Speaker 3: I don't trust to farewell in negative twenty three degree
Speaker 3: temperatures no matter what.
Speaker 4: Right, they need to get some home games finally, but yeah,
Speaker 4: he was frustrated and we were at that game in London.
Speaker 4: It was kind of a disaster. There were a couple
Speaker 4: of games where Lamar Jackson just didn't feel like he
Speaker 4: could trust that Odell would be in the right spot
Speaker 4: at the right time.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think total a major After that
Speaker 1: game the Titans.
Speaker 2: He was very bad the first half of the season,
Speaker 2: seemed to find his footing in the back half of
Speaker 2: the regular season, but then.
Speaker 1: Kind of lost his role in the offense down the stretch.
Speaker 2: Not the same type of player, but another high profile
Speaker 2: veteran receiver that hung on for a while, Toshaun Jackson.
Speaker 2: Remember at the end of his career, he would pop
Speaker 2: up everyone's while and still be making big plays, but
Speaker 2: was no longer a consistent player in an offense.
Speaker 1: I could see Odell being that for Miami.
Speaker 2: We shall see, all right, let's take a break and
Speaker 2: then we'll continue the news, all right, and other news
Speaker 2: let's it is light out there by the way, as
Speaker 2: you would think, so not a ton of news. So
Speaker 2: let's do some fifth year rookie deal options. The roundup
Speaker 2: a Nase Harris Steelers running back declined. The Cowboys not
Speaker 2: a surprise year. They declined Trey Lance's fifty year option.
Speaker 2: Of course, he was drafted number three overall a few
Speaker 2: years back. The Broncos do the same with the number
Speaker 2: two overall pick in that draft, Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: Not a surprise there.
Speaker 2: Greg Newsom, Oda Oa, and Kitty pay among the options
Speaker 2: picked up for the fifth year.
Speaker 1: I thought that the Naji Harris was not surprising.
Speaker 3: I think Jalen Warren's gonna have a much bigger role,
Speaker 3: and I think they want to get faster. Greg Newsom
Speaker 3: was dangled in like trade talks going back like last
Speaker 3: offseason and throughout you know, round the trade deadline last
Speaker 3: year a little bit, so that I like that. I
Speaker 3: think Greg Newsom is like quietly an extremely solid cornerback.
Speaker 3: And if I'm the Browns and Jim Schwartz like, don't
Speaker 3: take anything away, just keep it going for as long
Speaker 3: as you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was actually a little surprised by the Naja Harris
Speaker 4: declining because because it's running back, it's only six point
Speaker 4: eight million dollars, they didn't want to lock into a
Speaker 4: one year, six point eight million dollar contract. That's he's
Speaker 4: not going to be thrilled about that. Right behind him,
Speaker 4: for instance, Travis Etn making a slightly less money because
Speaker 4: he's one pick later. You know, they picked up his option.
Speaker 4: I I think you look at some of the players
Speaker 4: that they like. Oh way was a little surprising to me,
Speaker 4: like thirteen point three million. He's been like slowly getting better.
Speaker 4: There were some nos out there, try on Chayanka, gotta know,
Speaker 4: Peyton Turner, who's you know, Eric Stokes. Those guys just
Speaker 4: haven't been on the field enough. Remember Alex Leatherwood not
Speaker 4: eligible in this draft, no longer in the NFL A
Speaker 4: Zaleen Collins, David Collins got to know. But Justin Fields
Speaker 4: was another one just checking a box like of course
Speaker 4: they're not picking it up. I guess it's one year,
Speaker 4: twenty five point seven million. But it just shows what
Speaker 4: a weird situation that bears. What I mean, that Steelers
Speaker 4: team and one like.
Speaker 3: Little note with Fields because remember we were talking about
Speaker 3: this thing that's been floated out that they could use
Speaker 3: fields as a return man, like that's possible, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I kind of think it's an interesting concept, But they
Speaker 3: know they have Cordero Patterson too, and they got them specifically,
Speaker 3: Like soon after that whole kickoff thing changed.
Speaker 4: To only one of those quarterbacks. That's that's hitting me
Speaker 4: now of the five taken got their.
Speaker 2: Tops in twenty twenty one draft MESSI not not for nothing,
Speaker 2: was the first draft after COVID shut down the entire
Speaker 2: world and most of college football.
Speaker 4: Darius Tony was a big note to not a not
Speaker 4: a surprise again, but just checking boxes here.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Alex Leatherwood.
Speaker 2: I was thinking when the Michael Pennox pick went down
Speaker 2: with Atlanta, and I was like, when's the last time
Speaker 2: there was a pick that was so head scratching or
Speaker 2: was immediately panned at such a high level. It was
Speaker 2: the Raiders taking Alex Weatherwe Alex Leatherwood, I think around
Speaker 2: twenty or so twenty one in that realm, and immediately
Speaker 2: I remember all the guys on the day as for
Speaker 2: NFL Network and everywhere else were like them through their notes.
Speaker 1: It's like I had him as maybe like a third
Speaker 1: round guy.
Speaker 2: He might be the ultimate example, and of course he
Speaker 2: flamed out immediately with the Raiders. He might be the
Speaker 2: ultimate example of why you don't just draft for a
Speaker 2: position or a need, you have to go best available player.
Speaker 1: In the Raiders, I think with Mike Mayock made that mistake.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a study out there that kind of over
Speaker 3: the last ten year shows where teams drafted and what
Speaker 3: like how much value according to like consensus big boards,
Speaker 3: where how it you know, even out and the best
Speaker 3: teams get the best value where they draft. And the
Speaker 3: Raiders were dead last over the last ten years and
Speaker 3: they made a lot of like zigging zagging picks that
Speaker 3: didn't work.
Speaker 4: The other one I thought of actually wasn't quite as
Speaker 4: big as Pennix, But in terms of a top pick
Speaker 4: shocking everyone was Cleveland Faroll, which was also mayok is
Speaker 4: actually his first pick, yep, and it was the number
Speaker 4: four overall pick, and everyone's like, wait, really, like he's
Speaker 4: a solid player, but no one thought he was a
Speaker 4: top fifteen player.
Speaker 3: They had multiple number ones in that draft and none
Speaker 3: of them were with the team anymore.
Speaker 2: And we talked about, you know, Jordan did that great
Speaker 2: deep dive of the Rams draft. The teams like the Raiders,
Speaker 2: for instance, that keep churning and starting over, not just
Speaker 2: at head coach. Sometimes you think, oh, oh, they fired
Speaker 2: a GM, they hired a new GM. In a lot
Speaker 2: of cases, you're bringing an entire new length football language
Speaker 2: and before you could even install a new one, and
Speaker 2: even tho, if it works, that guy's out and you're
Speaker 2: starting again. And I guess the examples of teams and
Speaker 2: one's the less time the Raiders win the.
Speaker 1: Super Bowl twenty five years ago, twenty three years ago.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of success when a playoff game.
Speaker 2: First, Yeah, all right, let's talk about the Saints.
Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis the GM.
Speaker 2: They made a move at the draft, drafting kool Aid McKinstry,
Speaker 2: who is a very toolsy cornerback. A lot of people
Speaker 2: believe kool Aid has a chance to be, you know,
Speaker 2: a star at corner. And then there's the situation with
Speaker 2: veteran Marshawn Latimore, once upon a time a big time
Speaker 2: draft pick by the Saints back in twenty seventeen. Now
Speaker 2: the idea is, are they looking to move Latimore with
Speaker 2: mcinsrey in the house. Here's what Loomis had to say
Speaker 2: on Mad Dog Sports Radio.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it doesn't mean anything. Marshan's have been a really
Speaker 5: good player for us for a good period of time.
Speaker 5: He's one of the leaders of our team. And and
Speaker 5: look like it's just like I said, you know, we
Speaker 5: can use as many corners as we can get, and
Speaker 5: we've got we've got a good group, a really good group,
Speaker 5: and they're gonna help each other and they're gonna help
Speaker 5: our team win.
Speaker 1: Greg they have a very uh talented cornerback room.
Speaker 2: What is the the idea why they would move Latimore
Speaker 2: is that their their perpetual issues with cap space and
Speaker 2: trying to finally gain some level of financial freedom.
Speaker 4: There was some reporting just last year that he wasn't
Speaker 4: happy and it was personal maybe between him and the
Speaker 4: coaching staff, and that's popped up. I think when it
Speaker 4: comes to trades though, and I've seen a lot of
Speaker 4: people like just throw it out, like, oh, what could
Speaker 4: be some trades that could come up this It's like
Speaker 4: trades aren't happening at this point. What is the point
Speaker 4: of getting a draft pick in a trade in the
Speaker 4: middle of the summer that you could just get after
Speaker 4: the season now if injuries happen and you're in training camp.
Speaker 4: That's where it's possible where a guy like a CD deuce,
Speaker 4: you know, shook loose from the Saints, And I could
Speaker 4: see Latimore being a guy like maybe in training camp
Speaker 4: once you get to like the middle till later, once
Speaker 4: you get like closer to cut days, but like from
Speaker 4: now until then, like those big name and receivers, like
Speaker 4: they're not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: The window passed.
Speaker 3: I might also say that if you lose Lattimore because
Speaker 3: of Dennis Allas, Dennis Allen's second very notable like internal
Speaker 3: tip with the player, that's how you lost Garner Johnson,
Speaker 3: like that, these are both from your secondary. You trade
Speaker 3: them post June one or go or cut them. You
Speaker 3: still are dealing with a lot of dead cap money.
Speaker 3: So it's like it would only save them about four
Speaker 3: million this year, cost them ten plus and dead cap
Speaker 3: money ten plus and dead cap money the year after
Speaker 3: seven plus the year after that, and then still the
Speaker 3: year after that. So it's it's not that financially, it's
Speaker 3: not financial wizardry necessary.
Speaker 4: I believe he might have been an ex Saint if
Speaker 4: they got like a nice offer, but people are just
Speaker 4: just about waiting for these picks. For veterans, which is
Speaker 4: crazy because then they get in the draft and they're
Speaker 4: throwing like future picks around willy nilly to move up
Speaker 4: ten spots.
Speaker 2: But then the Viking game, but they gave up Yeah,
Speaker 2: like and again the veteran trade Tex You're right Latimore.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, man, I would love to have Latimore
Speaker 2: on my team, but it would cost me like a
Speaker 2: second round pick.
Speaker 1: Maybe No, I don't get the fourth, right, go get them.
Speaker 2: If your team needs a corner we're gonna talk about
Speaker 2: needs in a little bit.
Speaker 3: You're also hoping like it's nice to say kool aid
Speaker 3: McKinstry is like fills and needs like, okay, not a
Speaker 3: lot of cornerbacks don't work.
Speaker 2: So and I just want to say about two minutes ago,
Speaker 2: I want to apologize to the listeners to you guys
Speaker 2: as well, but I'm working with an alternate laptop today.
Speaker 1: Couldn't locate my work laptop.
Speaker 4: And the concerning the biggest concerning development with one of
Speaker 4: our laptopsince I spilled coffee on mine twice in six months.
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you know me, but like those
Speaker 2: who know me on a truly personal, like at home level,
Speaker 2: I lose stuff all the time, okay, and it usually
Speaker 2: turns like a laptop. Yeah, like stuff that you would
Speaker 2: never think, how could that be lost?
Speaker 3: You wouldn't just have left it out like a coffee
Speaker 3: bean or something possible.
Speaker 1: I went to the car wash after the show.
Speaker 2: I was a true workingman on Thursday, and took the
Speaker 2: bag out of the car when I was vacuuming, put
Speaker 2: the bag back in.
Speaker 1: How would the laptop get out?
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, So the point being, I'm using the laptop, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I had the volume up, and then I got
Speaker 2: a text from a friend and it can't be scrubbed
Speaker 2: out by atap because I was talking at the time
Speaker 2: of the ding. So now, now, about three minutes ago,
Speaker 2: there's tens of thousands of listeners who are gonna hear
Speaker 2: that ding, and they're gonna go check their phones and
Speaker 2: then they're gonna look at it and it's not going
Speaker 2: There's not gonna be a text, And it's because of
Speaker 2: me and my failure to hit the mute button on
Speaker 2: a rogue laptop.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm so apology will go a long way
Speaker 3: to the tens of thousands that will, obviously, but I like,
Speaker 3: I'm glad you mentioned it because that's the same a
Speaker 3: similar sound effect we use when someone says something that's
Speaker 3: very factual or astute or right.
Speaker 1: Next level or really anything at all.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but you were you were rolling through a
Speaker 3: setup point and then got a ding, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: why did Eric rear? Why did you get that sound effect?
Speaker 3: You said nothing out of the ordinary, so makes me
Speaker 3: feel better.
Speaker 1: That would really.
Speaker 2: Mess with the listeners if Eric replaces his ding with
Speaker 2: the traditional Apple texting, don't do.
Speaker 1: It is off the charts here, I love, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: What else is in the news? Quote unquote news JJ
Speaker 2: Watt he retired. I think I lost the sangwich because
Speaker 2: I thought Watt would come back last year. I kind
Speaker 2: of thought he'd end up playing with his brother TJ
Speaker 2: and Pittsburgh, but he stayed out of football last year,
Speaker 2: did some TV work. But JJ Watt says if his
Speaker 2: original football team, the Houston Texans, and they're head coach,
Speaker 2: pick up the phone, he'd answer, let's listen to this.
Speaker 6: Twelve great years in this league, and I'm very thankful
Speaker 6: to have walked away healthy and playing great. I mean,
Speaker 6: I told Demiko last year, I said, don't call unless
Speaker 6: you absolutely need it. But if you ever do call,
Speaker 6: I'll be there. He knows, not the call unless he
Speaker 6: absolutely needs it.
Speaker 4: This is the last year.
Speaker 6: I'll tell him that because I'm not going to keep
Speaker 6: training the way I've been training. But he knows that
Speaker 6: if he ever truly does need it, I'll be.
Speaker 1: There for him.
Speaker 2: Notable Brandon K. Scott with the credit there on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Before he made that last comment, I was going to say,
Speaker 2: for a guy who's been out of football now for
Speaker 2: over a year, he looks exactly like JJ Watt many
Speaker 2: many times, and you could figure out why. It's natural
Speaker 2: when they step away from the game, they stop training
Speaker 2: at the same level and their physique gets slimmer or whatever.
Speaker 2: He looks he looks like he's still what was he
Speaker 2: six six to sixty or whatever.
Speaker 3: We saw him at the Super Bowl and he's not
Speaker 3: like a normal human.
Speaker 2: And he's saying he's training too, he's football ready right now. Still,
Speaker 2: that is notable to me and something to keep.
Speaker 3: And I saw a thing where he went through and
Speaker 3: I kind of love finding out about this stuff, Like
Speaker 3: he went through what his diet is to maintain like
Speaker 3: the like the watch shape, and it's like seven thousand
Speaker 3: plus calories a day, but a year old still yeah, well,
Speaker 3: I mean that's that's what he was doing when he
Speaker 3: was a player, and so if he looks exactly the same,
Speaker 3: it's got to be in the realm of that if
Speaker 3: he wants to.
Speaker 1: This is the power of CJ.
Speaker 3: Strouds me because he left the Texans with you know,
Speaker 3: some issues with ownership and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's like, suddenly this team looks like a.
Speaker 2: Super Bowlso say the power of Dimiko Ryans, who is
Speaker 2: sure JJ Watt's former teammate with Houston. They were once
Speaker 2: the stalwarts of a defense together and now he is
Speaker 2: the head coach and he's got obviously the respect of JJ.
Speaker 4: So the off season, the off season news moves slow
Speaker 4: in some ways, but whenever you just get a little bite,
Speaker 4: suddenly it moves fast. And they actually someone tracked down
Speaker 4: Tamiko Ryans, who is at a Texans event today. He says,
Speaker 4: I need him now anytime JJ is ready to go,
Speaker 4: I'm ready to go.
Speaker 1: In as a situational tess be incredible.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're not going to get sucked into the
Speaker 2: May six rumor mill.
Speaker 1: But it's good to relay s do.
Speaker 4: It and part of the reason I think what was
Speaker 4: interesting to talk about is let's need throughout this on
Speaker 4: the Rich Eisen Show last week too, just that that
Speaker 4: Aaron Donald, like, hey, I had mentioned to Aaron when
Speaker 4: he retired. You know, we had a guy in Eric
Speaker 4: Weddle who just kind of jumped off the couch to
Speaker 4: join the playoffs. So maybe if if you'd want to
Speaker 4: do that, that'd be option, you know, it'd be an
Speaker 4: option for you. He says he doubts Aaron Donald would
Speaker 4: actually do.
Speaker 1: That, but I don't know. The RAMS might see that happening.
Speaker 4: The RAMS might ask, and they actually structured his contract
Speaker 4: and retirement in a way that that would be very
Speaker 4: doable if Aaron Donald would want to. But he says
Speaker 4: that he might try to. They might try to tempt him,
Speaker 4: but that they don't know if they.
Speaker 3: Should do more of these, like veterans with special powers
Speaker 3: are brought onto the scene, like Joe Flacco, like in
Speaker 3: November and December. Don't make them go through all this
Speaker 3: nonsense leading up to it. If the team's in position,
Speaker 3: you bring Aaron Donald back in for sixty days and
Speaker 3: he dominates and then gets a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 1: Do it love to see it. There's just a category
Speaker 1: of players like that.
Speaker 2: Justin James Watt turned thirty five years old in March.
Speaker 2: All right, that's what's happening in the news. Let's take
Speaker 2: a break and talk about some outstanding team needs. I
Speaker 2: don't mean outstanding like, oh, it's outstanding. I mean outstanding
Speaker 2: like a debt, like a tax bill.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll be right back. We are back, We're back. Continue.
Speaker 3: I mean. The only upside here is that I didn't like,
Speaker 3: somehow verbalize a third version of that over the double
Speaker 3: version that already exists.
Speaker 2: Could happen though like that, it could happen, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be like that wasn't on purpose either, and if it
Speaker 2: did happen again, it would have the.
Speaker 3: Triple only happened that time because your directions were fuzzy
Speaker 3: compared to the direction you gave like a Jordan on
Speaker 3: our last show, or Colleen, like the ones given to
Speaker 3: me were fuzzy, and I faltered. And I don't blame myself.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I love it so much.
Speaker 2: Unfinished business, that's see, that was the one I was
Speaker 2: trying to get that out at the top of the
Speaker 2: show segment. Unfinished business. Teams are now pretty much, and
Speaker 2: there are still GREGI, there are still roster moves to
Speaker 2: be made. There's not a lot of options out there,
Speaker 2: but there are options. There are players out there, and
Speaker 2: there will be cuts and all that stuff, and maybe
Speaker 2: jj WA coomes out of retirement.
Speaker 1: You never know.
Speaker 2: But as things stand out, Greg, there's gonna be teams
Speaker 2: that enter the season with with void.
Speaker 1: So let's get into them. Let's talk about them.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're not, maybe they only seem like a roster issue,
Speaker 2: and we'll have a conversation and it won't be that way.
Speaker 2: And I'll get this one going, and I will start
Speaker 2: with a team that I think everyone agrees is a
Speaker 2: bit of a intellectual curiosity right now.
Speaker 1: It is ATP's favorite team. It is the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 2: And you could go in maybe a couple of different
Speaker 2: directions for this team that's been so close to getting
Speaker 2: over the hump, but they haven't yet. I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: did they make it to the AFC title Game yet?
Speaker 2: With Josh Allen once Yeah, yeah. On one trip to.
Speaker 1: The game is Stefan Diggs staring at the confetti No
Speaker 1: no rough rough.
Speaker 2: And now they're trying to go out at a different
Speaker 2: angle with some turnover on the roster. I'll talk about
Speaker 2: the wide receivers because I'm curious in general here this
Speaker 2: is not just this offseason, but when you look at
Speaker 2: their depth chart, where's the investment been at this position
Speaker 2: during the Stephan Diggs and now the post Diggs era.
Speaker 2: We know the Bills traded back twice out of the
Speaker 2: first round. They took Keon Coleman last month in the
Speaker 2: second round. We'll see how he turns out. But I
Speaker 2: always think that that with wide receivers, in most cases
Speaker 2: there are special cases, and there could be a couple
Speaker 2: of special cases at the top of this draft with
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison and and neighbors and a doonsay, but banking
Speaker 2: on a first year wide receiver to fill your void
Speaker 2: if you have a big one at wide receiver is
Speaker 2: risky business. And that they're kind of asking that if
Speaker 2: Kean Coleman right now, however, Coleman, he looks like a
Speaker 2: lottery pick as a second rounder compared to the rest
Speaker 2: of the depth chart. Gabe Davis was a fourth round
Speaker 2: pick in twenty twenty. He's in Jacksonville now. Khalil Shakir
Speaker 2: was a fifth rounder in twenty two just In Shorter,
Speaker 2: a fifth rounder in twenty three, and then you look
Speaker 2: at who else they have their free agent acquisitions, Curtis Samuel,
Speaker 2: kJ Hamler, Chase Claypool. Those guys are all second round picks,
Speaker 2: but on other teams, and they're two varying degrees, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, depreciated assets. Former fourth round pick Mac Hollins
Speaker 2: is also on this team. Now cool a lot of guys,
Speaker 2: yeah names and listen. I love Josh Allen. Actually Josh
Speaker 2: and I are spirit Canines, as Jordan pointed out last week,
Speaker 2: But I don't want to watch number seventeen throwing to
Speaker 2: a bunch of second rate playmakers like Patrick Mahomes was
Speaker 2: a year ago.
Speaker 1: And I'll end with a movie quote here, Marky.
Speaker 2: Like Basher don Chieadle's character and Ocean's eleven said it
Speaker 2: will be nice working with proper villain. Actually said it
Speaker 2: in a terrible English accent. Yeah, and I have a
Speaker 2: terrible English accent, so I'll do it. It'll be nice
Speaker 2: working with proper villains again. Alan will have to wait
Speaker 2: at least another year for the dawn of that reality,
Speaker 2: because right now these are not proper villains in my opinion.
Speaker 1: At the wide receiver.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did such a good job early in Allen's
Speaker 3: career building up around him quickly, and they're in a
Speaker 3: they're having to move through a different phase of all that.
Speaker 3: Dalton Kincaid is a big factor, though. I kind of think,
Speaker 3: you know what, You've got a real weapon in him
Speaker 3: at tight end. But you're right, it's a bunch of
Speaker 3: dudes that are like names alone, like Andy Isabella. You've
Speaker 3: got like a key on Coleman. You're hoping right away contributes.
Speaker 3: They've already said like he has to, and Josh Allen
Speaker 3: knows he has to.
Speaker 1: I don't love that for any.
Speaker 3: First year wide receiver, especially early on, because it's like
Speaker 3: going from college to pros and different playbooks, different schemes,
Speaker 3: Like there is an adjustment there. But I also don't
Speaker 3: just like wide out rooms where if you get one
Speaker 3: injury here to a key figure, you are staring at
Speaker 3: bottom of the barrel talent around Josh Allen.
Speaker 4: I like this group more than you guys do, just
Speaker 4: because I like Curtis Samuel like I can't get I
Speaker 4: did too.
Speaker 1: I would say I didn't.
Speaker 2: I felt even when I was doing that set up
Speaker 2: that I don't He's not much of a depreciated asset,
Speaker 2: but he has bounced around the league a little.
Speaker 4: Bit, and he's a role player. Your guys are right
Speaker 4: that there's a bunch of role players. Coleman was a
Speaker 4: divisive draft prospect. Some people had him as like a
Speaker 4: third or fourth round guy, other's Bucky Brooks, and plenty
Speaker 4: of other people had him as like a top five
Speaker 4: receiver in this class, like a physical guy who I
Speaker 4: thought would make more sense in the slot. My problem is,
Speaker 4: like I like Shakir, he's shown he's an NFL player,
Speaker 4: he's a.
Speaker 3: As a like a as I got next to a
Speaker 3: one and someone, yeah, exactly, as like a three, as
Speaker 3: like an inside player who's gonna get open.
Speaker 4: Samuel's profiles a little similar to me to Shakir. And
Speaker 4: then you have Coleman, who I thought would do his
Speaker 4: best work on the inside, and you have Kincaid, who
Speaker 4: to me is part of this, and Dawson Knox is
Speaker 4: part of this. And that's what you're hoping for, is
Speaker 4: that an offensive line and the tight ends and the
Speaker 4: running backs essentially make up for these receivers. But yeah,
Speaker 4: you mentioned, I didn't even realize how many like oh,
Speaker 4: he's on this team. Claypool maccollins. Mc collins can play.
Speaker 4: He's like a fourth receiver who was a special teamer.
Speaker 4: Andy Isabella is probably not making this team, but he
Speaker 4: is on this team. kJ Hammler like I loved for
Speaker 4: a few minutes and then he's had devastating injuries unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Like, there's just a lot of names, a lot of guys.
Speaker 2: I don't want to put you on the spot, Eric
Speaker 2: unless you know, but I'm gonna check. When's the last
Speaker 2: time they used a first round pick on a wide receiver?
Speaker 2: Digs they traded for They traded a first round pick
Speaker 2: to get Digs.
Speaker 1: I mean, off top of my head, are we going
Speaker 1: back to Stevie Watkins, Sammy Watkins? You're right, they traded up.
Speaker 2: They traded a bundle to get and maybe that's a
Speaker 2: reason why the organizationally because Watkins never really came through,
Speaker 2: but they traded up to get Watkins in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: which was the Dark ages of the Buffalo Bills. But
Speaker 2: that's the last time that they've gone in that direction,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Mark, you want to go next? Yeah? For me?
Speaker 3: Looking around, I like this exercise because you're like looking
Speaker 3: at our lads and kind of seeing where things just
Speaker 3: do not work it.
Speaker 1: Can we hit the Big Funk means a second couple
Speaker 1: of waters be brought to Dan. Everyone.
Speaker 4: Really, you gotta subscribe on YouTube check us out to
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Speaker 1: Funk step up. They Big Funk does it all for water.
Speaker 2: Big Funk is not only a gifted producer and social man.
Speaker 1: When Mystic Dan forgets to get the Mystic Dan, that's
Speaker 1: pretty good. Actually, I like that Big Funk does it
Speaker 1: all gets the water. He does it all? Sorry, Mark, what.
Speaker 3: Are the odds that I'd get eight words into uh
Speaker 3: my segment point here? And not only are is like
Speaker 3: you know, fluids being brought into the room, but we're
Speaker 3: breaking into song and dance.
Speaker 2: I was parched, and I thought it was affecting my performance.
Speaker 3: I was a psychic connection that allowed that Bark has
Speaker 3: a point here.
Speaker 4: It's obviously not going to be you that's getting interrupted
Speaker 4: by that by Ranel.
Speaker 1: I interrupt myself all the time, right coming in though
Speaker 1: I mean and doing this song.
Speaker 4: But for some reason, if it was me or Mark
Speaker 4: who's gonna it just by chance, who's gonna get interrupted?
Speaker 4: I would put my life savings that it's.
Speaker 3: Marked the timing well the timing is the timing is
Speaker 3: a lever pole.
Speaker 2: Understand that, but but to see it as a lever pole,
Speaker 2: at least on the surface is incorrect. But if you're saying,
Speaker 2: if I'm subconsciously pull on the lever, it's not that
Speaker 2: deep and it's certainly within the realm of reason.
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't think it's miles into the subcons can
Speaker 3: turn this up a little bit.
Speaker 1: That is nice.
Speaker 2: Fuck, you need to use this in your personal life,
Speaker 2: if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'd love to discover that.
Speaker 3: You know, when you when we pass off the earth
Speaker 3: and you can see all different periods of human times.
Speaker 3: Yeah that whenever you think of like the medieval ages
Speaker 3: and you have like a floutest who's like, you know
Speaker 3: that it's very boring music. But what if it was
Speaker 3: just this and we don't think we created this, but
Speaker 3: this was what was happening, like the Soulful.
Speaker 2: The soulful Floutest is an underrated musician, all right, without
Speaker 2: further ado, Mars.
Speaker 3: This feels like it's also now following it up with
Speaker 3: some sort of mundane football common is absurd. I like,
Speaker 3: what like a lot of these like running back rooms
Speaker 3: have a bunch of guys. I don't know what why
Speaker 3: the New York Giants who have issues, they already have issues,
Speaker 3: think that Devin Singletary is going to be a capable
Speaker 3: post to Kwon Barkley lead horse. I think he's a
Speaker 3: fine guy to have as part of your running back room.
Speaker 3: They drafted Tyrone Tracy's a fifth rounder. They've got Dion Jackson,
Speaker 3: Eric Gray. One of these guys is going to go
Speaker 3: down with it some sort of an injury or malady.
Speaker 3: And it's like, suddenly you're taking a quarterback you don't
Speaker 3: trust who's injury prone, and Daniel Jones or fill in
Speaker 3: the blank there and say, we're not sure even if
Speaker 3: they stay healthy, you've got a capable running game. I'll
Speaker 3: add to that that we don't know what's happening with
Speaker 3: Darren Waller at tight end.
Speaker 1: So you've got Daniel Bellinger exactly. This sounds like no
Speaker 1: other real breaking news, but.
Speaker 3: Right, but how many other players are like It's like
Speaker 3: we're into month three of whispers that Darren Waller doesn't
Speaker 3: maybe want to play football again.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of other stuff going on there.
Speaker 2: We're never seeing that man out of football field ever again.
Speaker 1: Last year when he was public about it, he said,
Speaker 1: I he's on records.
Speaker 3: This also just isn't the same version they were. I
Speaker 3: think we were last what version of Darren Waller're gonna get? Like,
Speaker 3: we're one year later into not being condensurate. It's that
Speaker 3: guy they drafted, Theo Johnson at tight end, who some
Speaker 3: people were talking up. But you know, you just are
Speaker 3: taking your running back position, your tight end position you've
Speaker 3: got you had. You have very little wide receiver before
Speaker 3: Elik Neighbors. It's like this offense, it's the this is
Speaker 3: the crew that build up around Josh Allen like they
Speaker 3: I mean, these these were connected to that growth period
Speaker 3: and we saw what the coaching staff could do with that.
Speaker 3: And it's not happening around whatever quarterback they actually want
Speaker 3: to play, because there's questions about that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait a second, Can I just say they took
Speaker 2: one of the big three wide receivers though?
Speaker 1: I like that, but I didn't list wide receiver.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that if the wide receiver was a
Speaker 3: burning need, and so they did address that. You can't
Speaker 3: address everything, but if you're gonna lose Saquon Barkley, who frankly,
Speaker 3: when they go to the playoffs two seasons ago, and
Speaker 3: that was smoking mirrors to some degree. But Sequon had
Speaker 3: one of those seasons.
Speaker 2: Can I say, I don't think that was a terrible
Speaker 2: move to pay a better than running back with injury.
Speaker 1: No, but get you.
Speaker 3: But but you're now telling us that if Devin Singletary
Speaker 3: is your lead guy and question marks behind him.
Speaker 1: That's riskly.
Speaker 2: I guess my counter would be Devin Singletary, while not
Speaker 2: flashy and certainly not have the name brand value of
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley, he might actually be a better investment for
Speaker 2: what he gives you and what he costs compared to
Speaker 2: what the Eagles just paid.
Speaker 1: I don't think right.
Speaker 3: I don't think the argument is I think you should
Speaker 3: have turned around and overpaid for a running back that
Speaker 3: has durability.
Speaker 1: Is but you would have had to to keep them
Speaker 1: in the bills. So you don't see that.
Speaker 3: But you go there's there was months and months and
Speaker 3: chances to go to get other teams, like the wide
Speaker 3: receiver room in Buffalo. You're throwing a lot of darts.
Speaker 3: We'll see what works. There's not a lot of relikable darts.
Speaker 4: They got caught flat footed. Yes, at running back because
Speaker 4: they gave Devin Singletary nine and a half million guaranteed.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's that's a lot, and and that's a
Speaker 2: fair point when you factor and how much you paid.
Speaker 2: I had no idea he was getting that much guaranteed.
Speaker 2: But my only point is, at least how I looked
Speaker 2: at the exercise. If I see the team actually actively
Speaker 2: kind of going trying to address it, I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: them a little bit of a pass. Like the Bills,
Speaker 2: I feel like they didn't. They weren't aggressive enough with
Speaker 2: their wide receivers. The Giants are trying to do it,
Speaker 2: but they're not. It's not gonna happen in one day.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're trying to do it.
Speaker 3: At running back, they signed like I mean, a little
Speaker 3: bit every I mean everyone in these position groups.
Speaker 1: They've added someone somewhere. I got a lot of work
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 4: I agree with you don't see any and that's a
Speaker 4: position you can usually find some free agents late in
Speaker 4: the game. But again they went quite quickly. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure who that would be. Maybe a Kareem Hunt, maybe
Speaker 4: a Latavious Murray. But you're not gonna get excited.
Speaker 2: Let's see haven't Singletary got nine and a half guaranteed,
Speaker 2: dem I missing.
Speaker 4: There had some nice metrics last year in terms of
Speaker 4: like make Tony Pollard miss and Tony Pollard got similar
Speaker 4: maybe a little more, all right.
Speaker 2: If Neighbors is a stud though, they're gonna be a
Speaker 2: lot better on offense if the quarterback can get it
Speaker 2: to them.
Speaker 4: Hollard got ten point four million guaranteed, so pretty similar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so maybe we should stop crying poverty
Speaker 2: for the running backs.
Speaker 1: It's all turning around.
Speaker 4: Now, Okay. I might have misunderstood this exercise. No, I
Speaker 4: don't think so. It's unfinished business. It's unfinished business, and
Speaker 4: so I didn't look at it from a team perspective
Speaker 4: out at more like league wide.
Speaker 1: I'm into the I'm into the contract.
Speaker 4: So I just let's start with I could divide this
Speaker 4: up into wide receiver deals and quarterback deals, but let's
Speaker 4: go wide receiver first.
Speaker 1: I made little categories. I like it all right.
Speaker 4: Here are some wide receiver deals I expect justin Jefferson.
Speaker 4: We might have to wait around till like August for this,
Speaker 4: but I think it's it's gonna happen the way they've
Speaker 4: way public.
Speaker 2: This is quite literally unphysical finished business business.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think justin Jefferson, Brandon Ayuk, Nico Collins, those
Speaker 4: would be three wide receivers I think are going to
Speaker 4: get good contracts this offseason. One I want to put
Speaker 4: in this category, but I don't rule out the Cowboys
Speaker 4: for messing it up, is CD Lamb, who's also a
Speaker 4: free agent next year, Like, you got to do this right,
Speaker 4: Like I think they will do it, but now at
Speaker 4: this point, I don't know. I don't I don't know
Speaker 4: what's going on in Dallas. And then another category is
Speaker 4: my don't wait around for it to get too late,
Speaker 4: And that would be kind of be next year's crew,
Speaker 4: which is Jalen Wattle, Jamar Chase, and Drake London. The
Speaker 4: teams that are getting done early. We've talked about it
Speaker 4: save a little money. So that's just like the unfinished
Speaker 4: wide receiver business. And there's been a lot a lot
Speaker 4: of chatter, especially with JJ and Iyuk, but in the end,
Speaker 4: I think those deals get done.
Speaker 1: That's my unfinished bass.
Speaker 2: That's a little like housekeeping, if you will. I like that,
Speaker 2: who's out there and what's the one that the least
Speaker 2: likely of that group? You think to get a deal.
Speaker 1: CD.
Speaker 4: I think because I don't know, because they've they've waited
Speaker 4: too long. You got you should try to get it
Speaker 4: in before Jefferson does it.
Speaker 2: I think they're keeping CD before Dak at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I kind of like some of the breadcrumbs going on around.
Speaker 4: Here Eco Collins, maybe just because he's not quite at
Speaker 4: that level. But I think they know what they have
Speaker 4: and they have a ton of cap space, so he
Speaker 4: would make a lot of sense. Let's do the quarterback too.
Speaker 4: While I'm on the contract beat, and these might be
Speaker 4: more interesting. I've seen people push back that is GoF
Speaker 4: actually got to get this deal.
Speaker 1: I still expect golf. Did you hear those Lions fans
Speaker 1: in Detroit? Right? You can't let that guy.
Speaker 4: It is a tricky contract perhaps of how many years
Speaker 4: of guaranteed money you're gonna give. But he'll get a
Speaker 4: nice raise goff to And I think Jordan Love gets
Speaker 4: paid this year because I think Green Bay is smart.
Speaker 4: I think the contract they gave him last year was
Speaker 4: a sneaky great contract, a two year deal.
Speaker 1: Give him a little cushion.
Speaker 4: They didn't give him his fifth year option, but I
Speaker 4: think they get contracts Dak it looks like it is
Speaker 4: a big fat no, which is crazy. And then just
Speaker 4: kind of like keep an eye out on Trevor.
Speaker 1: Maybe they just wait for him to get to his
Speaker 1: fifthyear option, which is fine, He's not a free agent
Speaker 1: next year.
Speaker 4: Trevor and Purty my unfortunate. What did you call it, Avatar?
Speaker 4: I mean, I am now brock Purty black party might
Speaker 4: be the most underpaid player in the league. Whether you're
Speaker 4: a huge brock pretty guy or a middle brock purty guy.
Speaker 4: He's getting paid like a seventh round pick for starting
Speaker 4: quarterback on one of the best teams in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So those are two to watch.
Speaker 3: I think the one in there that like a couple
Speaker 3: of things happening, because let's there is a world where
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott doesn't stay with the Cowboys after this upcoming season.
Speaker 3: And then you're the Dolphins and you're trying to figure out,
Speaker 3: if you're Mike McDaniel, like what how much you really
Speaker 3: want to invest in Tua? Like contract for Tua when
Speaker 3: maybe a quarterback becomes available in the off season, like
Speaker 3: are like I'm still confounded by what to do with Tua.
Speaker 1: I know that like the from certain metrics.
Speaker 3: He looks pristine, but like watching too, it's like, am
Speaker 3: I gonna give this guy a giant contract?
Speaker 4: They just seem like they are very positive about it,
Speaker 4: and he's positive about it. It just says to me
Speaker 4: they've made progress and they're they're both kind of think
Speaker 4: it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: All right, So you rock my world about that singletary thing.
Speaker 2: So I look, I love I did some digging here.
Speaker 2: So the running back market.
Speaker 1: You're just not interested in. What's a party gotta be?
Speaker 4: That's a tricky contract, Dan.
Speaker 1: I also think that.
Speaker 4: Is it he worth more than he would never get
Speaker 4: more money than Trevor. By the way, I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to say anything about Brock because I don't
Speaker 2: want to get Mark upset that I'm still not totally
Speaker 2: sold on Rock and maybe the Niners aren't.
Speaker 1: You well, you should be. You should be worried about
Speaker 1: getting me upset.
Speaker 2: You know, kept me up. That wasn't my compar comparison.
Speaker 2: I loved that it was uh because it got you
Speaker 2: fired up. But that was Jordan saying that you were
Speaker 2: Brock Birdie. That really stuck with Greg.
Speaker 3: We were as we were leaving the studio, you were
Speaker 3: still parsing that in your mind and verbally with us.
Speaker 1: Just give me Philip Rivers someone that's fun.
Speaker 2: At least, you know, well, I think it was all
Speaker 2: active qbs though.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so you're you're right, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 2: He got Devin got nine and a half fully guaranteed,
Speaker 2: which is more than what Derreck Henry got fully guaranteed.
Speaker 2: And uh, I'll just throw one more out there that
Speaker 2: to the point though, nine and a half is nine
Speaker 2: and a half. But Saquon got twenty twenty five and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 1: He got it, he got the contract five and a half.
Speaker 1: Not to like, not to hash it.
Speaker 3: You're you're looking at it through the lens of like,
Speaker 3: should they have re signed Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 2: No, we've moved on from that conversation, and at least
Speaker 2: I have. I'm more just like looking at how that
Speaker 2: market shook out in hindsight. Now let's move on, Let's
Speaker 2: go through another round. Let's do it here. Wait, go
Speaker 2: where do I want to go? Where do I want
Speaker 2: to go? Where do I want to go? All right,
Speaker 2: let's steck at wide receiver and let's talk about the Ravens.
Speaker 2: So you know they addressed cornerback offensive guard in the
Speaker 2: first and second rounds. I trust the process and Baltimore
Speaker 2: always will, but I don't like how it all ended
Speaker 2: up for Lamar here because there's a lot. There's a
Speaker 2: lot being put on Rashad Bateman finally becoming that dude
Speaker 2: first round pick back in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Do I trust Zay Flowers? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Do I think Zay Flowers can progress and even become
Speaker 2: a star.
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: But then after Zay and after of course Mark Andrews,
Speaker 2: you have again Bateman, you have Nelson Aguilar, you have
Speaker 2: a fourth round pick, devontees Walker, you know Darthrow, Deontay Hardy,
Speaker 2: Tylan Wallace.
Speaker 1: You have a bunch of guys, just a bunch of
Speaker 1: dudes kind of back where you were. And here's the issue.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go crazy in the sense that
Speaker 2: if you have what Lamar brings to the table, and
Speaker 2: you have Mark Andrews, who is one of the best
Speaker 2: playmaking tight ends in the sport, and Zay who could
Speaker 2: become like a all pro type player if things go
Speaker 2: the right way, but this team, to me, is still
Speaker 2: one injury away to either of those guys to being
Speaker 2: right back to where they always seem to be where
Speaker 2: they are shorthanded and struggling, perhaps in January, to find
Speaker 2: a way to make the offense go.
Speaker 1: So why why are we not learning?
Speaker 2: Like to me, the Miami Dolphins is another example from
Speaker 2: what happened in their last game moving forward, I just
Speaker 2: don't get it.
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I do wonder if.
Speaker 4: They felt like there was a receiver drop off before
Speaker 4: they ended up taking Nate Wiggins with the thirty pick.
Speaker 4: He was a cornerback and like they were pretty interesting
Speaker 4: receivers on the board Ken Coleman and we saw Lagett
Speaker 4: and who went in the second round. But I would
Speaker 4: have thought they would have liked to get out of
Speaker 4: that that pick with the receiver, because that's it's not
Speaker 4: a great group and you're going into the season with
Speaker 4: major questions there and on the offensive line where the
Speaker 4: guard positions and right tackle or shaky they they weirdly
Speaker 4: have more questions to me than a lot of the AFC,
Speaker 4: like good teams, And yet I see that they're like
Speaker 4: they're over under and it's not showing up in Vegas yet,
Speaker 4: like they're being seen as this, Like we're coming off
Speaker 4: a one seed and we're the favorite in the AFC
Speaker 4: North in our over unders eleven and a half, and
Speaker 4: I'm not so sure they have a lot of questions.
Speaker 3: They're always a team that it's gonna find like two
Speaker 3: or three guys between now and the start of the
Speaker 3: season that plugs some holes. But I think it's like
Speaker 3: with offensive line, like where are some of these guys
Speaker 3: gonna go? They drafted Roger Rosengarden, Andrew Vorheis, who was
Speaker 3: a pick last year, was injured, is coming back and
Speaker 3: like getting fairly well praised by the coaching staff. But
Speaker 3: it's like there are are a lot of departures here.
Speaker 3: There were like fourteen key figures that left, and suddenly
Speaker 3: the Ravens are back. I think there's back where you
Speaker 3: were at wide receiver. We're like you kind of appeased
Speaker 3: Lamar a year ago, and I'm with you on Rashad Bateman.
Speaker 3: It's like there's moments where you see it, but like
Speaker 3: there's no evidence that this guy's going to suddenly make
Speaker 3: a major leap here.
Speaker 2: He's I want to, you know, I want to call
Speaker 2: him a sunken cost, but at a certain point you
Speaker 2: have to start seeing him, stop seeing him as the
Speaker 2: guy that you wanted him to be I'm just looking
Speaker 2: at his three years in the league. He he finally
Speaker 2: played you know, close to a full season last year,
Speaker 2: sixteen games and did not produce at a very high
Speaker 2: level at all.
Speaker 1: Thirty two or three sixty seven and one.
Speaker 2: The season before was you know, injuries wiped out most
Speaker 2: of the year. You know, he only started four games
Speaker 2: as a rookie in twenty one. So it's you're really
Speaker 2: banking on his development in this offense. If not, it's
Speaker 2: a problem, Greg, Who's that mark your next?
Speaker 3: You know, a team that like I always feel I'm
Speaker 3: picking on these guys and I'm not trying to, but
Speaker 3: it's just like it's hard to see what's happening here
Speaker 3: with the Raiders because like, fine, even if you like
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew, like there's a quarter this is one of
Speaker 3: the weirder quarterback situations in the in the league where
Speaker 3: it's like you have an interim coach that became the
Speaker 3: full time coach and you're going into this new campaign
Speaker 3: and there was all this kind of like I like
Speaker 3: Antonio appears more than you, Dan, but I think that
Speaker 3: the Raiders players like them.
Speaker 1: But you're going into a core.
Speaker 3: Into a tough AFC West campaign with at best like
Speaker 3: a C plus situation at quarterback, if not a lot worse,
Speaker 3: especially if there's any sort of injury there. They're one,
Speaker 3: they're running back room Alexander Madison, not in love with
Speaker 3: Alexander Madison's You're mere white, a mere Abduela right now
Speaker 3: is listed as their starter by PFF. I know that's
Speaker 3: just I'm not wort of laughing at that. That that's
Speaker 3: funny that that's how that roster looks at sure, and
Speaker 3: I mean, it's fine, but I don't I'm not in
Speaker 3: love with that. But then they're at cornerback. They didn't
Speaker 3: have a chance because they you going pad your tight
Speaker 3: end room. Now, I don't rock Bauers make sense, but
Speaker 3: beyond Jack Jones, they are very inexperienced at corner. And
Speaker 3: you're in a you're in a division with Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3: I understand it might be Justin Herbert handing the ball
Speaker 3: off ten times more times a game, but you can't
Speaker 3: get out of the without a loaded secondary. And it's
Speaker 3: guys like Nate Hobbs and Jacorey and Bennett. They took
Speaker 3: a fifth round flyer Onto Kamari and Richardson there, but
Speaker 3: it's like that was a need they didn't address it
Speaker 3: correctly because they have so many other needs. And the
Speaker 3: Raiders to me, don't look a lot any better than
Speaker 3: they did at the end of last season.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to pay Josh Jacobs. I get that.
Speaker 1: I think actually, no problem with the wise move. No
Speaker 1: problem with that.
Speaker 2: They got Gardner Minshew, who played pretty well for the
Speaker 2: Colts last year, and there's a pretty decent chance. It
Speaker 2: sounds like if Michael Pennix or one of those other
Speaker 2: quarterbacks is still on the board when the Raiders picked,
Speaker 2: they would have went in that direction. But at least
Speaker 2: they have a guy in Minshew that could hold the fort.
Speaker 2: So I'm not even going really crazy there, even if
Speaker 2: it's not exciting. But you mentioned if you have a
Speaker 2: huge weakness on your team and you have an entire
Speaker 2: offseason to address it, in the back end of their defense,
Speaker 2: it seems like they are very vulnerable.
Speaker 4: I'm always wary of the defense, Like you close really strong,
Speaker 4: you finish on a streak, and you just think like
Speaker 4: that's our defense now. It usually doesn't carry over, like
Speaker 4: because on paper, you're right Mark talented up front, but
Speaker 4: the back end is not a very talented group. The
Speaker 4: Bears are kind of the other team that stick with
Speaker 4: me a little bit about that. They're just assuming that
Speaker 4: their defense totally cares over but carries over. But they've
Speaker 4: at least invested more in terms of picks than the
Speaker 4: Raiders have.
Speaker 1: All Right, the Bears, Greggy, all Right.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna dip into the free agency zone again and
Speaker 4: ask where do the cornerbacks go?
Speaker 1: Maybe where do the tackles go?
Speaker 4: Because I think these are the only positions where there's
Speaker 4: actually some players available that are worth caring about. Stefan
Speaker 4: Gilmour can still play. I mentioned the Packers as a
Speaker 4: possibility in every Packers fan that apparently has a Twitter
Speaker 4: count is like, we roasted him, No thanks, I.
Speaker 1: Get you know.
Speaker 4: He had a bad pre like postseason game against the Packers.
Speaker 4: I think it was Dantavian Wicks kind of cooked him up.
Speaker 4: Gilmore was a little banged up by the end of
Speaker 4: the year, and that's a risk for an older player.
Speaker 4: But he was a good player last year. He was
Speaker 4: a plus starter, so he'll help some teams somewhere. Adri
Speaker 4: Jackson is available. He can still play. I think when
Speaker 4: he's healthy. Steven Nelson is just the guy who fills
Speaker 4: out like a thousand snaps every year and can play
Speaker 4: a little bit. A Kela Weatherspoon was a late signing
Speaker 4: from the Rams last year and played quite well. So
Speaker 4: those are four guys who to me can play some
Speaker 4: ball and are still out there. And then almost any
Speaker 4: team could use cornerbacks, but some of the most interesting
Speaker 4: ones to me would be Packers, Colts, Texans, Jags, Chargers,
Speaker 4: I would throw in their Falcons, forty nine Ers, Cardinals, Panthers.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's so many teams that could use cornerbacks,
Speaker 4: but those guys could go in and actually help you,
Speaker 4: I think sooner than later, actually step in and help.
Speaker 3: Some of those guys are like waiting till whether there's
Speaker 3: they can up their contract big time if there's injuries,
Speaker 3: or it's like the right team suddenly needs them at
Speaker 3: the closet.
Speaker 4: Right Gilmore and especially Gilmore there I think actually will
Speaker 4: get decent money. By decent, I mean like eight million
Speaker 4: or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll handcuff that with the last one I had,
Speaker 2: since it it's right in this category. The jag Wars
Speaker 2: in their secondary I reached out to our original boss,
Speaker 2: Mark Sessler justin Hathaway now working up there in the
Speaker 2: Bay Area for NBC, and despite well, he is a
Speaker 2: Florida on the Jaguars City Jaguars fan, right, he's from Florida,
Speaker 2: justin I feel like every city you ever.
Speaker 1: Mentioned, he knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been there at some point anyway, justin huge
Speaker 2: Jags fan. And I asked him, like, what were your
Speaker 2: thoughts about their team and what the holes were, and
Speaker 2: he was not thrilled that they traded back in the
Speaker 2: first round when they had a chance to grab both
Speaker 2: of those top cornerbacks, and then when they trade back
Speaker 2: to twenty three, the Eagles took one of the big
Speaker 2: cornerbacks right in front of him. But then you still
Speaker 2: had well Quiny and Mitchell's and the Eagles you had
Speaker 2: Terry and Arnold still there. They went with the wide receiver,
Speaker 2: and we've talked about that that it felt like the
Speaker 2: Jags had got boxed in a little bit after what
Speaker 2: happened with Calvin Ridley, So you can't kill him for that.
Speaker 2: But then they waited until the third round to take
Speaker 2: a corner and then you look at their depth chart
Speaker 2: and you look at the team that's coming off very disappointing.
Speaker 1: Ending, especially on defense. Ronald Darby.
Speaker 2: They brought in who's, you know, a veteran guy, but
Speaker 2: they're asking him to kind of anchor things back there.
Speaker 1: He's been a journey. He's a definition of a journey
Speaker 1: right right now.
Speaker 2: Where he did a one and done where in Baltimore
Speaker 2: last year. So we'll see what happens with the Jags.
Speaker 2: But that felt like a place they maybe should have
Speaker 2: been more aggressive and now they are perhaps vulnerable.
Speaker 3: Took another one of those teams where like so many
Speaker 3: mocks had this type of position cornerback going to Jacksonville
Speaker 3: and it doesn't happen right, and it's like, well, that
Speaker 3: was a burnie knee.
Speaker 1: That's why they were. People were saying that.
Speaker 4: There's only so many of these guys out there too.
Speaker 4: I do feel like it was a thing this year
Speaker 4: that free agency went faster. Guys, there's less guys maybe
Speaker 4: that are still out there. But I look at these
Speaker 4: three or four guys and think they could help them.
Speaker 4: They yeah, they are maybe the number one team there.
Speaker 2: And then maybe on the old a little more connective
Speaker 2: tissue here. You could also at the Jags and their defense.
Speaker 2: Obviously they have Josh Allen and he's awesome, but I
Speaker 2: don't know if there's some with Trayvon Walker, some Rashad
Speaker 2: Bateman DNA there where they're not willing to admit that
Speaker 2: he's not going to be the other guy on the
Speaker 2: side across from Allen. So they're rolling with him and
Speaker 2: hoping he's going to develop, which makes sense he's entering
Speaker 2: what his third year. But they might not have enough
Speaker 2: pass rush either, And these are problems in a division
Speaker 2: where you know, it could be tough to defend with
Speaker 2: some of the exciting players in really all everywhere in
Speaker 2: that division.
Speaker 1: Now, with CJ.
Speaker 2: Strouds, Rise Richardson coming back, of course, we shall see.
Speaker 4: They also have a new defensive coordinator, Ryan Nielsen. They
Speaker 4: fired Mike Caldwell and Nielsen strong mustache game. If you
Speaker 4: check out his profile on the Jaguars website. Was one
Speaker 4: of those guys that, like everyone who's a tape head
Speaker 4: was like, Wow, I love what Ryan Nielsen did with
Speaker 4: the Falcons last year, really creative, Like really Max dw
Speaker 4: like did a good job. And then and I don't
Speaker 4: really doubt it, but they were bad defense, So I
Speaker 4: don't know what to make of it.
Speaker 1: That is of them.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at this mustache up here, Greg. It is'srue
Speaker 3: and trude here, but that's nice.
Speaker 4: It's really something speaking of it's from seem Valley, which
Speaker 4: is known it's like the home of cops in southern California.
Speaker 1: And he kind of looks like a cop.
Speaker 4: What the home of like the lot, No, a lot
Speaker 4: of cops like live in seem Me Valley.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's like a cop haven. Oh yeah, he looks
Speaker 2: like and he looks like a twelve year veteran.
Speaker 3: A lot of cops in else Goundo too, Uh do we?
Speaker 3: I guess well, that little.
Speaker 1: That that Eric gave me a good point as a
Speaker 1: real so cow guy. There you go. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: My little hometown of Pearl River, New York, a lot
Speaker 2: of cops at firefighters took the Metro North into the city.
Speaker 2: You got to be within a certain you gott to
Speaker 2: be within a certain demo, like in terms of mileage
Speaker 2: from the city, and my town was just within that
Speaker 2: limit and had mass transportation.
Speaker 1: That's all part of a tu mark.
Speaker 3: I've ridden Metro North probably six hundred times, and I
Speaker 3: miss it.
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. It's a wonderful way to get around town.
Speaker 2: Shout out to the NYPD and New York Fire Department
Speaker 2: absolutely for what they do.
Speaker 1: Shout out to what they've done North workers too. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's one thing we all have in common.
Speaker 4: I was taking the Metro North on an almost daily
Speaker 4: basis when I was working up at Ronal World.
Speaker 1: That hell. Shout out to New Jersey and NBAC.
Speaker 2: They've also dealt with a lot of drunk people over
Speaker 2: the years. An angry businessman going home to a house
Speaker 2: that no longer feels like a home.
Speaker 4: Everyone would always talk about the bar car because the
Speaker 4: bar car was still there when I was there, Like,
Speaker 4: shout out to the bark. The actual bar car was there,
Speaker 4: but there was no more bar. You were allowed to
Speaker 4: drink there, but people would talk about the good old day.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah you could, Like you could you sit there
Speaker 3: with a beer with a napkin around it, a canned
Speaker 3: beer and just stare out as the you know, the
Speaker 3: towns float by you.
Speaker 1: It's a nice with your friends, wonderful thing. Anybody get
Speaker 1: a PBA card from a friend of a friend. Yeah, years,
Speaker 1: I had it throughout my New York stay. You got
Speaker 1: an old guy? What does it stand for? Pro Bowlers Association?
Speaker 1: I think it's policeman's benevolent.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well here's the move back then, Like I
Speaker 3: remember my dad did this and it was savvy because
Speaker 3: you get one of those you do you do donate
Speaker 3: to the police, so you've done it, but you get
Speaker 3: the sticker that you put on your on your windshield
Speaker 3: or on the side, and then they when they when
Speaker 3: you get pulled over invariably for speeding, Like the first
Speaker 3: thing the cops see is that you donate to the
Speaker 3: police and they and you're on your way.
Speaker 2: Well, the other one, even if you're a guy, you're
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of a tricky move for people
Speaker 2: I don't know who we're talking about.
Speaker 1: A PBA card.
Speaker 2: If you know someone that's a cop or is connected
Speaker 2: to a cop, you get one of these cards. And
Speaker 2: then the idea is if you ever get pulled over
Speaker 2: when they ask for license and registration, you can hand
Speaker 2: that over, but also hand this card or flash the
Speaker 2: card and if if a cop is cool with it,
Speaker 2: he'll be like, all right, it's the same as the stakes,
Speaker 2: like they you you want.
Speaker 3: This is even the stickers even more subtle. But then
Speaker 3: you then you have to make sure well you also
Speaker 3: can't have it on a window that rolls down. If
Speaker 3: the cops pliny offs. Gotta be some world yeah blast,
Speaker 3: they know where to look. Put it on the windshield.
Speaker 3: But he's coming from the side. All right, let's let's
Speaker 3: focus up. I was gonna mention we mentioned the Texans.
Speaker 3: I know, Greg, you've been following this. You are connected
Speaker 3: to Mother Japan in always uh.
Speaker 1: C J.
Speaker 2: Stroud and MICHAEH. Parsons doing their world tour and uh.
Speaker 2: The new video that's out there now is Micah Parsons
Speaker 2: sumo wrestling.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And the first round the sumo wrestler, do you guys
Speaker 2: see this? Yeah, sumer wrestler thrashes him and then does
Speaker 2: like a rock in the baby thing to Micah. C J.
Speaker 3: Stroud almost like encourages the sumo wrestler to do that too.
Speaker 4: Parsons and then he definitely seemed like frenemies Micah and yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Micah and then Micah you know, hulks up
Speaker 2: and you know with the sumo wrestler doesn't realize that MIKEA.
Speaker 2: Parsons is one of the greatest athletes uh known to man,
Speaker 2: doesn't need direct and then even with no experience, he
Speaker 2: takes out the sumo wrestler in the second round. I
Speaker 2: don't know how that how that ended, but I saw
Speaker 2: I saw Micah get even. All right, let's take a
Speaker 2: break and we'll close things up. All right, we are back.
Speaker 2: We are closing up shop. We got one more show
Speaker 2: coming up on a Thursday, so make sure you tune
Speaker 2: in for that.
Speaker 1: One more thing I wanted to throw up here. We
Speaker 1: have our old friend.
Speaker 2: Remember we had a spirited conversation about Bob Kleinman when
Speaker 2: we were in Austin for the iHeart Awards. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: were a few drinks that we had that evening. As
Speaker 2: I recall, and I came out in casual conversation is
Speaker 2: very pro Dob Kleinman.
Speaker 3: Well, because everyone was everywhere was piling on. So I
Speaker 3: think you trying to Okay, that's what I want, Shepherd.
Speaker 4: Remember your contrarian spirit which comes out and Dan sometimes.
Speaker 1: Sitting next to you for thirteen years. We'll do that.
Speaker 1: Let's throw up a tweet from Dob Kleinman. This is great.
Speaker 1: The Eagles are looking scary emoji of someone putting their
Speaker 1: hands over their face. Super Bowl incoming, and then it's
Speaker 1: just a bunch of the Eagles working out in the Yeah,
Speaker 1: no one has thought to lift weights yet.
Speaker 4: And the funny thing is that these aren't overly advanced workouts.
Speaker 1: They look like what you achieve, you know, young men
Speaker 1: and women doing in the gym.
Speaker 4: I think the I mean, certainly they're stronger, the different
Speaker 4: than any other NFL team.
Speaker 1: I think it's done the video evidence.
Speaker 2: I think Bob on some ways his Twitter feed and
Speaker 2: he Bob was really pumped up about the Tom Brady roast.
Speaker 1: By the way.
Speaker 2: Also, he's all over my fetus him he can chill
Speaker 2: out like you're spamming me on this. But Dob with
Speaker 2: this tweet again, I have to give credit to to
Speaker 2: what the Eagles have been able to pull off. The
Speaker 2: brainwashing is complete of public It's to the point now
Speaker 2: where someone could send that tweet out and it's not
Speaker 2: even thought to be strange that they had maybe the
Speaker 2: worst collapse.
Speaker 4: Well, he's getting history gotten for this tweet that Like,
Speaker 4: why are you saying, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's been so forgotten that Bob could send that out
Speaker 2: without even thinking that something bad happened at the end
Speaker 2: of the previous season that would maybe cause one to
Speaker 2: think that they wouldn't be obvious Super Bowl favorites.
Speaker 1: Well in a way, you had to love this. Thank
Speaker 1: you to literally.
Speaker 2: Everyone who sent that to me, which is everyone on Twitter.
Speaker 2: I felt like sent me that Dove tweet.
Speaker 3: You have to adore this because it backs up your
Speaker 3: general offseason theory.
Speaker 1: And it's started that whole operation.
Speaker 2: It's so it's so like the theory has become so
Speaker 2: hardened now that it's it's bulletproof, like nothing can get
Speaker 2: through it.
Speaker 4: I did love first of all, the how Hee comments
Speaker 4: that look when they signed Saquon Barkley, we were zigging
Speaker 4: when the rest of the zagging.
Speaker 1: I like that, But I'm.
Speaker 2: Giving a thirty year old running back with no I
Speaker 2: need twenty five million guaranteed.
Speaker 1: What is zig First of all, brilliant?
Speaker 4: First of all, saquad Barkley is twenty seven years old.
Speaker 4: Let's not let's not get crazy. There is a running
Speaker 4: back tax plus three video put together that's part of
Speaker 4: the Eagles kind of like behind the scenes draft room
Speaker 4: of like it's almost like Howie porn essentially, and which.
Speaker 2: Is seriously the last porn one would ever want to watch.
Speaker 4: I would agree, And it's behind the scenes and people
Speaker 4: just were loving it. And our friend Evan Silva quote
Speaker 4: retweet it. You could check it out on his Twitter.
Speaker 4: Watch how he cook few smartest gm in the NFL.
Speaker 4: And it's just it's just even got that behind the
Speaker 4: scenes and am looking Cooper Dizine.
Speaker 1: They even got Evan Silva. Silva, that's where talked him
Speaker 1: up a number.
Speaker 3: But this is not the first year that he's been
Speaker 3: fascinated with the Eagle.
Speaker 2: The only thing, the only thing I need now is
Speaker 2: for Joel EMBII to guarantee the Eagles go to the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl and that it is complete, the circle has
Speaker 2: been completed.
Speaker 1: Well, you don't have to worry about you are flushed
Speaker 1: with personal vendettas. You got it you had. I've been
Speaker 1: sitting next to you for thirteen years. I just see
Speaker 1: how I think, we see how you how you operate,
Speaker 1: you do Yeah, and you love it me for it.
Speaker 1: I almost wondered.
Speaker 3: They've they've asked if Shakespeare was quietly like twelve incredible authors,
Speaker 3: not one.
Speaker 1: I don't buy into that at all. I think that's nonsense.
Speaker 3: But like maybe dove climbing is like sort of a
Speaker 3: a group of people.
Speaker 1: Because there's the tweeting is happening in twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's a shadowy figure I think based in Israel.
Speaker 1: We've been talking right across the sea. All right, let's
Speaker 1: book him on the show immediately. Eric, let's get to
Speaker 1: work on that. We can. All right, why are you
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with Dob talk?
Speaker 4: You know, if you if you followed, if you're if
Speaker 4: you haven't mwed or blocked him, that's on you.
Speaker 1: You can't, I mean, you enjoy him.
Speaker 2: Dob's out there, you know, he's out there doing the
Speaker 2: Lord's work, aggregating away. Yep, you came from Pro Football Talk, Greg,
Speaker 2: that's an aggregator yourself.
Speaker 4: I came from Rohta World, the original, the originators of aggregation.
Speaker 4: All right, that's it, let's wrap it up. We had
Speaker 4: a code, final thought for you, Greg, We had a code.
Speaker 1: We had a code. That's it.
Speaker 2: Important, man has a code. It's important. Insiders have a coat.
Speaker 2: Pie it all together.
Speaker 1: I have no regrets. All right till Thursday. See the
Speaker 1: call