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Speaker 1: First question we asked everybody is when you first got

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. That's a long time ago. First

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Speaker 3: Got the cave yad. We know you gave out a

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Speaker 2: That NBA game out. I do remember my first game

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Speaker 2: I came in. I don't know if you guys when

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Speaker 2: and I showed up the sixth game of the season,

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Speaker 2: so a bunch of guys that you know, they were mad,

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Speaker 2: had I had done four years of school and still

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Speaker 2: felt like a little boy. Right. But as far as

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Speaker 2: Nelly walk in the locker room and say, you know

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Speaker 2: We had here, yo, yo yo. We live on location.

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Speaker 3: Everybody Knucklehead Season six, Full of Fat. We got the

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Speaker 3: blackest one and we got a very very very very

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Speaker 3: special guest today, Hall of Fame Dream Team one, one

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Speaker 3: of the best ever to do it, straight out of Brooklyn,

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Speaker 3: New York City. We got Golden State's finance. Got a

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Speaker 3: little bit in Indiana, but Golden States last, Saint John's Finest.

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Speaker 2: We got Chris Mulley. Mullein in the build, j T

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Speaker 2: in the Building. This the Lucky Lefty. Y'all appreciate you,

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Speaker 2: O g my pleasing to be here. Fellas brought to

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Speaker 1: This is a special episode because first, you know, they

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Speaker 1: say I didn't go to college, but I'm still at

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Speaker 1: Saint John's representa and you know you are go to college.

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Speaker 2: Repend on our show.

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Speaker 1: Stop hating Q our first rep Saint John's represented on

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Speaker 2: Oh he is not. I'm gonna say I committed to

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Speaker 2: Saint John's. I'm a Saint John's represented. Who's the coach? Listen?

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Speaker 2: Who was the coach?

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Speaker 1: Mike Jarvis, Mike Jonas Man, I got him in my

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Speaker 1: movie once I didn't come.

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Speaker 2: You know, next year we did a movie together. Respect

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Speaker 2: Mike Jarvis was in the movie Coaching. But no, he

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Speaker 2: is not. I think there was an old Jordan's too,

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Speaker 2: because they were yeah all that, but you just said

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Speaker 2: that he was our first guest from Saint John's. We

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Speaker 2: had Ron rod We did have ro I forgot we

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Speaker 1: I forgot ron Ron Ron Roan gave us like twenty

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Speaker 1: five minutes because he was in and out real quick.

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Speaker 1: That was a that was a crazy episode. But time

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Speaker 2: But we love him.

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Speaker 1: But uh, I know you were Saint John's represented, and man,

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Speaker 1: all the history, the big East wards, the careers. Man,

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Speaker 1: to see your guy over there coaching his team, you

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It was. It was somewhat surreal, you know, put

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Speaker 2: He actually called me. He was he was coaching with

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Speaker 3: Like I would, I couldn't even I would never say never, right,

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Speaker 2: It's like even right now the way the guys are transferring,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who is it that you're seeing that that started?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to play basketball? Whose ones you watch

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Speaker 2: Man, he just like me. He just you know whatever.

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Speaker 2: They might have heard each other. They might have heard

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Speaker 2: You said it either can he either can play he can't.

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Speaker 3: You ain't even really fit the bill, like we arguing

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Speaker 3: This was before Dirt. Dirk is in his last year.

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Speaker 3: I gotta do a scouting report on Dirt. First of all,

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Speaker 3: you have zero. You have I don't even know what

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Speaker 3: less than zero. But you have that chance of getting

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Speaker 3: You think if we have a chance to get Lebron's staff,

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Speaker 3: report from January seventeenth of two thousand and whatever. Just

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Speaker 2: Come on, bro. That was what I couldn't do with

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Speaker 3: It was like, none of this makes sense to me,

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Speaker 3: Like he can't hoop while we're talking about him. He can,

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Speaker 3: let's talk about him, like you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But it's like I feel like.

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Speaker 3: The analytics people and a lot of the people that

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Speaker 2: Because with us, it's just either he could hoop he can't.

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Speaker 2: If he can, then we'll we'll get into this dialect

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Speaker 3: But if he can't hoop, I don't want to talk

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Speaker 2: And sometimes we over analyze and over complicate things, right,

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Speaker 2: a lot of those things they want on record for

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00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: later on and things like that. Yeah, you know, we

432
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 2: used to go back when I was actually first start.

433
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: We used to bring a pad and pad. You know,

434
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 2: it would be like my old school sky report. You know,

435
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 2: he can shoot it. You know, he needs worker on

436
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: his left hand like that. But like you said that,

437
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: those top guys, I mean, it's clear as day. You

438
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 2: can watch one minute. No, they're pros, right, and then

439
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: it's just who you like better. But yeah, you like dirt, you,

440
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: I mean dirt, dirt got over analyzed. I thought coming in, like,

441
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: you know, is he European? What's he going to be?

442
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: You know? But I think over time though, the way

443
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: the games played now there is there's less concern about

444
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: position and just straight I was we were on last

445
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: night with the Warrior game in the NFL draft, we

446
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 2: did you know, did a few hits on NFL Draft.

447
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: I said, because the Niners were picking third. I said,

448
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 2: third third, You're picking talent, dude, never mind all the

449
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: other stuff. You need talent. And it's funny thing. There

450
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: was a lot of speculator that we're gonna pick mac Jones.

451
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: Mac Jonesy Lance has the highest ceiling. That's you know,

452
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: the lower you pick. You know, you might get a

453
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: little more detailed on the on the tangibles, but when

454
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 2: you're up top there, man, it's straight talent.

455
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, start bench cut, you gotta start one. You gotta

456
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: bench one, you gotta cut one. I'm gonna go a

457
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: small forward in the seventies, small forward in the eighties,

458
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: small forward in the nineties. I go Doctor J Larry

459
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 1: Bird and Scottie Pippen. Who you start? Who you cut?

460
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: This is what he do every time, he questions.

461
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: All the time. It's always something that you can't you

462
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. It ain't easy. Oh wow, I'm

463
00:24:54,080 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 2: a bird pipping doc. Okay, okay, I'm gonna be decisive,

464
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: be right, but I'm gonna be decisive, all right. I

465
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: like it that definitely. I probably would have went that way.

466
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: Tell me this like you, by the way, Doc paved

467
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: the way for Bird and Bird paid the way for

468
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: picnics away from Man. Yeah, Doc, you know you want

469
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: to pull up some doctor J in the A B

470
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: A check that out. Oh yeah, no, trust me, doctor Man.

471
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 3: You talked about it earlier when you said that you

472
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 3: you came in your draft was the first ever NBA lottery,

473
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 3: So that was like a game changing type draft.

474
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 2: How was that for you?

475
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 3: And you said you were the first guard like wing

476
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 3: player taking out of all those sentences. But like when

477
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 3: all of that came up for you being you know,

478
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 3: you went four years, you you all everything at Sat

479
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 3: John's at this point, you know what I'm saying, averaging

480
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: crazy and you've been hooping so you knowing that you're

481
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: about to be parties. How was that for you when

482
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: they announced this draft lottery like that, you know what

483
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 3: it was that you know this but how just take

484
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: me back to that time and you're thinking, like what

485
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: what's going on and hearing all of this stuff about.

486
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 2: Yes, you gotta uh, you know, go back to nineteen

487
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: eighty one, two, three, four, like eighty five. At that

488
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: point in time, college basketball was more popular than NBA basketball. Yeah, right,

489
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: so it wasn't necessarily a step up. Crazy. So I

490
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: mean we played our games at the guard Saint John's.

491
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: We play an afternoon game, we'd have nineteen thousand, five hundred.

492
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: The Knicks would come back and play at night they'd

493
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: have seven thousand. Oh wow. I had so in a

494
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: way at that point in time, And David turned an

495
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: amazing job transforming that, right, changing and you know, selling

496
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: it and popular popularizing, global globalizing it. But sitting there

497
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: and we all say it's a business, right, But that's

498
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 2: the first time where you got no control. Like there's

499
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: a there's a ping pong ball and envelope that's dating Europe.

500
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: I'm like sitting there going one two. And then at

501
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 2: that point there was only seven seven team has been

502
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: a lottery. So I wounded up being seven. I was

503
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: the last pick a lottery. Wow. And so that that that,

504
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: you know, that's an eye open them you sitting I'm

505
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: sitting home. Like you said, I had four great years.

506
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm from New York. Why do I want to leave?

507
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: I don't want to leave. But that pick of the envelope,

508
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 2: You're gone, dude by right, So you know it's it's

509
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: a it's a it's an introduction into the business world.

510
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: And you know it wasn't an easy transition for me.

511
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: But it's funny how how how the league has grown,

512
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: and like like when you guys were coming up, you

513
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: couldn't wait till you get to leave. Yeah, wait to

514
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: go to the draft and get all that experience that

515
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: I was more like, I got a good right here.

516
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get another year of school. So you know,

517
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: playing it sold out garden. My first game at Oakon Coliseum,

518
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 2: it was like four thousand people that I'm like, I downgraded.

519
00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 3: Man, Wow, that's that's a different aspect, like to see

520
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: it through that lens, Like, yo, I just went from

521
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 3: nineteen thousand a game at the Garden and now I'm

522
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 3: out here and it's like four thousand people showing up

523
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: to see it and we're supposed to be pro speak.

524
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: Speaking speaking of that, talk about how Big The Big

525
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: East was back then from Providence to Big As the

526
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: town that was the conference, like just just big on

527
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: just how big and how how the Big East changed

528
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: college basketball and really how the Big East form for

529
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: the leagues to come out because a lot of the

530
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: guys come up to Big East and every team in

531
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: the Big East was ready to go. Every team in

532
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: the Big East, y'all was seeing each other in the tourney.

533
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 2: It was an amazing quick transformation. I think it started

534
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: in seventy nine, I think was the first Big East season.

535
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: But Dave Gavin had coached at Providence and then he

536
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: was getting into more of a you know, manager type situation,

537
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: and he had this, he had this, he had to

538
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: throw out this dream to put this East East Coast.

539
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: They had an East AC and you kind of made

540
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: your own schedule, so all the coaches felt comfortable on

541
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: their own. They could book their own games, get twenty wins,

542
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: get in the tournament. So the coaches, I think initie

543
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: were against it, you know, because now of a sudden're

544
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: gonna play twice, you know, home and away against these

545
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 2: great teams. But so anyway, they formed the Big East.

546
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: And when I was coming out of school. It wasn't.

547
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: That wasn't a big draw to me. It wasn't. It

548
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: wasn't really there yet. But what it did it kept

549
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: guys in their kind of home cities. So it kind

550
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: of organically built the fan base, you know, because you

551
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: stayed home and people identified with you, they kind of

552
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: followed your career. You know, Patrick left Boston, he went

553
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: to d C. Ed Pickedy went it was from New

554
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 2: York and went to go over and we all recruit

555
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: each other. We all recruited by the same schools for

556
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: the most part. I was recruited by Villanova and Syracuse

557
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: and m you know, Pearl Washington went to Syracuse and

558
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: so all of a sudden, we got these marquee players

559
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: staying home, not not going to the ACC, not going

560
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: out to California to play in the pack. I guess

561
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 2: back then it was probably a pack a pac ten,

562
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: but they were able to keep players home and they

563
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: had marquee coaches John Thomps and Luke connasector Jim Behim

564
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 2: Lolie Mathamino. So you know, fast forward five or six

565
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: years later, this three big East teams in the final four,

566
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: you know, and just shows you too, you know, the

567
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: power of TV. So they were the first conference to

568
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: get a deal with the ESPN. ESPN was just started.

569
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: They needed they needed to hitch that work and something too.

570
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: ESPN and the Big East they grew together and then

571
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: we had a Big Monday that was on. There's a

572
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: good there's a good.

573
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

574
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: It's called The Requiem of the Big East. It's a

575
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: good documentary. It's a few PC series. But that Big

576
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: Monday catapulted the Big East into national startle, you know,

577
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: not just the players and the coaches, the conference itself

578
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: to where when I came out to Oakland in nineteen

579
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: eighty five, all these kids knew me. Right. I was

580
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: shocked because they were rushing home from school at four

581
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: o'clock was seven pm East Coast. They were getting that

582
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: game after school. So that, you know, the TV contract

583
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: exploded the Big East. Yeah, so Villanova would Pickney and

584
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: Dwayne McClain and Georgetown was a beast, dude. They were nasty.

585
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: We talked about Patrick earlier, but they had pros man.

586
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: You know, on a given night, you know, Saint John's

587
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: versus Georgetown, you had six, seven, eight first round picks,

588
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: you know, and they were battles man, they were battles

589
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: and they were it was a really legit rivalries like

590
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: there was there was borne hatred there, ultimate respect though,

591
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: ultimate respect. No you know, shaking hands and hugging all that.

592
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 2: It was. It was more every game and get your

593
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: ass out of there. Man, we'll see you. Got to

594
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: cut off place next, like, we'll see you in a

595
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: few months. Man. That's it this era.

596
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: You know, all the kids are playing two K. But

597
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: back in our era, we started off with NBA Live.

598
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: And when I play NBA Live, I played with the

599
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors every single time because y'all had three

600
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: guys on the perimeter that was hitting all the three pointers.

601
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: Back in the day. So like Golden State.

602
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: Warriors, like Nelly, you had George carl at first, and

603
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: you know Nelly sped it up.

604
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: What was about Nelly that that fit the pedigree of

605
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: you'all team? Yeah, you guys look back and you know

606
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: the history of the game. Nelly obviously has an all

607
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: time most wins in NBA history, So that there's a

608
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: genius there. There's a you know, forward thinking. I always

609
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: wanted to play with him, Trailblazer. So it's funny, deep

610
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: Demiles you say that, So for a few years when

611
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: when Miss Tim and I were playing basically every game,

612
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: someone was coming up, you know with the opponent, Yo

613
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: man to Nelly Man, I want to come over here

614
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: and play because we were we were playing a different style.

615
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: We were we were running gun in and we were

616
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: having fun. Dude. So that so, you know, you hear

617
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: a lot of talk about culture, right, So culture, you know,

618
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: that's like one of those catch words. We got good culture.

619
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: Culture to me is having the right group of people

620
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 2: together that are that are pulling for each other. They

621
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: trust each other, respect each other, and you're working really hard,

622
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: but you're not looking at the clock because you're having fun.

623
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: You're trying to get there early, you're trying to stay late.

624
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: You can't get enough of it. So Mitch, Tim and

625
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: I had had a tremendous uh bond. You know, I

626
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: think first and foremost our talents messed well, Like I

627
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: needed MITx and Tim Mitch and Tim needed me. So

628
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: there was a dude. From our talent standpoint, it was

629
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: a very good fit. We are very different personalities, which

630
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: was good. You know, you guys had Tim on you know, Tim,

631
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: and he's gonna he's gonna bring it tell you Chicago

632
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: Chicago style, right, He's gonna call like it is and

633
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: just and by the way, love all of us just

634
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: love to play. So when I was telling him the

635
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: last night I saw Junior had forty two. I was

636
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 2: text with Tim last night and he was there. Yeah,

637
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: I was text with Tim, and then I was telling

638
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: someone when we drafted Tim, he landed and me and

639
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: Mitchell you know, there to meet him. He got off

640
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: to playing, like Yo, let's go hoo. He's like, skip

641
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: skip the press. I want to go play ball, man,

642
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: I want to play with you guys. So love of

643
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: the game, uh, work, ethic, competitor, we all had that, man,

644
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: so that that our bond was basketball. That that's what

645
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 2: brought us together. And it's funny we only played two

646
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: seasons together, believe it or not.

647
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: That's the crazy party was supposed to have had a

648
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: way long. But it was beautiful y'all to be as

649
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 3: big as y'all are to play that short of a time.

650
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: Lessen really know how how how y'all was putting it down.

651
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: So how long did you guys play together? Two years?

652
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: So so think about that's think about the power of

653
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 2: sports and for us bast how how so many years later,

654
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: you guys are tight like brothers. Mitch, Tim and I

655
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: like that. And actually I didn't even know that to

656
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: I think when I was going the Hall of Fame,

657
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: we all sat down and did an interview and someone said,

658
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: you guys only play. I'm like, two years what the

659
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: guys my brothers? Man, you know what I mean? But

660
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: that's the power of sports, and you know, and to me,

661
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 2: not yeah, the wins and losses yet, but the plane rides,

662
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: the bus rides, and the off season. We spent a

663
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: lot of time in the off season in just sweaty

664
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 2: high school gyms and just getting to it. And we

665
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: made and we made each other better. You know. We

666
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: pushed each other. We talked a lot of junk, but

667
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, man, we were making

668
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: each other better.

669
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: We talk about how nicknames come about, right, So for you,

670
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: Tim and Mitch to get run TMC, which is one,

671
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 3: I mean, y'all known, one of the.

672
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: One of the dopest you know what I'm saying.

673
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 3: Three, So that and not only that, like not only

674
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 3: was y'all cold, Like y'all did something that wasn't really

675
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: seen before. Like three of y'all wing players all averaging

676
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 3: the dub plus on the same team. Like, how was

677
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: that when y'all came together as a as a trio,

678
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: and like when y'all got a nickname, and when y'all

679
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: really took the league by storm?

680
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: How was that for y'all in that real time? How

681
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: was y'all looked around?

682
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: Like, man, this is like crazy, because usually when you

683
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 3: get three guys like you, guys that are all wings,

684
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 3: somewhere along the line, there's some disconnect like I need

685
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 3: the ball or I want the ball or whatever. So

686
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: but for y'all, it was like the perfect marriage. Everybody

687
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: was in sync and everything was great.

688
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: How was that for you? Yeah? I think it was

689
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: first of all our talents fit. You know, they meshed

690
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: well together. Uh you know Tim playing with the ball dynamic,

691
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: you know, ball handler and run, incredible picking Rolls, loved

692
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: to throw a ball ahead on the fast break, you know,

693
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: got into the paint anytime he wanted to to collapse

694
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: a defense. I mean, he was an incredible player for him,

695
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: you know, just just a big time player, kill across,

696
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 2: so no doubt and tough as Nowns Mitch, you know,

697
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 2: inside out great defender. And then the style of play,

698
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: having Nelly would put it all together. Nelly really emphasized

699
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: moving the ball. You know, we were able to you said, cute.

700
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: We also goed over twenty We all got our shots

701
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: because playing fast moving the ball that you have to

702
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: generate more possessions to get those shots up. So commitment

703
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: to fitness right, being able to you know, maintain your conditioning.

704
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 2: The nicknames funny man. We did that pretty much as

705
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: a joke with the season ticket holders, and it's amazing.

706
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 2: A day like after pat with like, come on, man,

707
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: we were wont to do this. It's some bullshit and

708
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: now thirty something years later, it's stuck. So that that

709
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: little don't ask thing we did after practice was actually

710
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: pretty important. When you first heard it, did you did?

711
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: You love it right away? Like that's it? I did

712
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: what dmc that that queen's guys, man, I tell you

713
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: Dorren mcday went to Saint John. I was all in

714
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: on that, right, you know exactly, Okay, yeah, yeah, it's

715
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: funny how it's stuck, man, it's it's pretty amazing.

716
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: Speaking of Miss Richmond, like these folks really need to

717
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: know how Miss Richmond used to put it down deadly

718
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: and the animal. Miss Richmond was just can you speak

719
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: of miss Richmond and just how good he was.

720
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: I used to have to go, Lea, you had to go.

721
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: So at the time Mitch played, he was top two

722
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: three two way players in the league. And you guys,

723
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: you know you're from Chicago, you know deal Derek Michael

724
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: Jordan said that, I don't got to say that. Michael

725
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 2: Jordan said that that was Michael's toughest opponent.

726
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: Uh.

727
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 2: And Mitch just has a laid back, easy that's why

728
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: his name's not out. But he's got into that. But

729
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 2: you talk about powerful, strong inside out in the post,

730
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: god the other team best God, the other team's best scorer,

731
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 2: whether he's won two, three, or four. Mitch Mitch cripp

732
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 2: of football players. So he had a rugged style and

733
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: he was strong as anything. And then he always added

734
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: to his game. You know, he is a post up guy,

735
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 2: you know, mid range shooter, went out to the three

736
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: point line. I mean, he was just I mean, he's

737
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: in the Hall of Fame, dude for a reason. But

738
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: some of the stuff he did. He came in was

739
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, number five pick, Rookie of the Year.

740
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: I think average twenty the next eight seasons from twenty

741
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: his scoring went up. So he set the bye, set

742
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: the ball high, and just kept rising his game. Yeah

743
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 2: that's sick. Yeah, So he's I mean, an amazing player.

744
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: You know. That's my guys, as my brothers. All you said,

745
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought you guys only played a short

746
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: time together. But let me stay soiunt forget. I'm really

747
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: proud of you guy. I know you guys got this,

748
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: you know, knucklehead pot but your trail, you know, showing

749
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: the younger generation how to transition, transition from from being

750
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: great players, you know, into the business world. So I'm

751
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: happy for you, man, keep up the good work. Did

752
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I appreciate it. Oh. I think

753
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: that's one of the coolest things about this.

754
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: Like we were doing what you just said inadvertently, Like

755
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 3: obviously I'm saying we were showing a different way and

756
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 3: all that, but I think it's it's more of a

757
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: testament to who we were, like as much players as

758
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 3: we were, as person as people we were. Because this

759
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: whole situation and everything we doing, us being able to

760
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: talk to you, like even if we were cool and

761
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: we did whatever, we created this podcast, I feel like

762
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: the reason that we're able to get the guests that

763
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: we're able to get and get guys like you to

764
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: really sit down, because we were good dudes. We weren't assholes.

765
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 3: We respected the game. We played the right way. You know,

766
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: we did our We were young, and we were brash

767
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 3: and all of that we came in, but like to

768
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 3: a man, we respected the hell out of all of y'all.

769
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: We looked up to y'all like whenever whenever we played

770
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: against y'all, we were gonna play hard as shit, but

771
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: like we was like, oh my god, this is such

772
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 3: and such.

773
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: We were super fans and super hype.

774
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 3: And I think the way we treated everybody and the

775
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 3: way we were with everybody, I think that's why we

776
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 3: get that type of respect and that response. And that's

777
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: for me, Like you know what I'm saying, Like you

778
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 3: say to hear you say, like we showing the young

779
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: guys this that and and thart like that'd be like

780
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: cherry on top for anything we get from doing these podcast,

781
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 3: Like I get to get off and tell my pops, like, yo, Pops,

782
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 3: my pop's favorite team right now is the Warriors. He

783
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 3: watched he loves Steph Curry. Steph Curry can do no wrong.

784
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: So like he see like he just got to see.

785
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 3: Oh man, I didn't know that d right, because like,

786
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 3: you know, I do the same thing that y'all do

787
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 3: for he said he watched.

788
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: He said, I seen Dave Dreel doing. I didn't know

789
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: he was. I say, yeah, I mean he Christmas.

790
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, And so like to be able to

791
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 3: have Chris Maundin, I get to get off here and say, Pops,

792
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 3: I talked to Chris Maunlin today. You know what I'm saying,

793
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: Like my PAP's gonna be hyped.

794
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is you know man, it's a it's

795
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: a beautiful fraternity that we're part of. Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

796
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 2: Then yep, you know whatever years. You know, I played

797
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: sixteen years, but when I came in, some of those

798
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: guys had already played fifteen years. So that goes back

799
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: and forward. Yeah, and you know Jim being a Chicago guy, Darius,

800
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: I watched him come through. You almost went to Saint John.

801
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: There's always right, We're used to getting scout reports before

802
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: the game. He can't go left, he can't shoot. We also,

803
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: over our careers, we established a scouting report of who

804
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: we are as people and you guys and Q, I

805
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: feel like you said it right. You guys came in

806
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: as young players, passionate, al you duncan, all your athleticism

807
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: and and started changing the NBA the way the NBA

808
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 2: was being played because of your athleticism and your youth.

809
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 2: But all along the way, you guys did it the

810
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: right way. You always had that sense of history and

811
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: and I felt like you guys, that passion was. I

812
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: loved it. I loved when young players come in and

813
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: they want to do better. It's what's all about where

814
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: the game is. Take it, take it a step further.

815
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: I want to ask you a question about young players,

816
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: and I'll tell the whole all. Go ask you this.

817
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: He told me not to, but I just got to.

818
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: When Vince Carter first got to the league, I think

819
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: y'all played a preseason.

820
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: Indiana and he got the ball on the wing.

821
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: You stepped out, he swung through baseline and he like

822
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: reversed dunk crazy.

823
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: I remember just seeing your face like and just you

824
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: just ran back. Do you remember that play? About that play?

825
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: Like when you've seen that, he was like, Yeah, it's

826
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: about for me to get on the bottom here for

827
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: in a minute.

828
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: That was the game. But I mean he was a

829
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: phenomenal athletes, incredible player, great guy. But I've seen that

830
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: clip several times when they show his dunks, that's one

831
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: of them. From a coaching standpoint, I didn't give him middle.

832
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: I sent them baseline and he just went over the

833
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: top of the basket. Let me give you.

834
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,439
Speaker 3: Look, from a realistic standpoint, I don't give a damn

835
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 3: how old you were of what was going on in

836
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: your period of time in that life, like we ain't

837
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: seen nobody else recreated like that period, like that was

838
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 3: the one of one and one and done none. See,

839
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: you ain't never seen that dunk again in game. You

840
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 3: have come on, bro, he went up dunket regular on

841
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 3: this side and then came all the way up and

842
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna say wiped his entire as he wiped

843
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 3: his entire ass.

844
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: And then yeah, yeah, that was that was like an

845
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 2: updated version of Dominique.

846
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we haven't seen that dunk so like it

847
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 3: didn't even matter, Like that was just that was half man,

848
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: half of many pace.

849
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: The team I was on, we were an older group

850
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm sure, hell, I'm sure we won that game.

851
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: But we were exactly you know the first time I

852
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 2: felt like that was why I play against Kevin Garnett

853
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: and it might be time. No, no, no, no. I

854
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: was still young. I was that was probably ninety are

855
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: coming five ninety six, ten years, had a few more

856
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: years left.

857
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 4: But his.

858
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: Size, his length. I remember playing, uh the first half.

859
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 2: He he came in as a three, as a three,

860
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: so I was playing three mask. I'm like, yo, this

861
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: guy's long. You know, he was young. I was able

862
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: to head fake until first. I remember at halftime I

863
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: told Rod Higgins, I said, dude, I think that dude

864
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 2: group between the first and the second quarter, like he's

865
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: like seven three now, man, I was to.

866
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: Ask you about swag. I used to always love your sweat,

867
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: the way the way he was on the court. But

868
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: one of the things I used to love about you

869
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: look in New York was the high top with the

870
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: fade on the side like Brooklyn, New York.

871
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 3: I got new mothery from everywhere. Yeah, on the side,

872
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 3: like he wanted that keep like that. Say what he

873
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: wanted to say, Mody, you look like you get your

874
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 3: head coat. We get out here, the white guy, tell what.

875
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: That's what resonated with us like, hold on, wait the man,

876
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: so you're thing stood out.

877
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: If you get, if you get next time you're in

878
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: New York. Okay, it's in Jamaica, Queens. That's where I

879
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 2: got my first It's called Cuddies outside.

880
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 3: Chris Bernard going crazy right now. He from the South

881
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: Side to making Queens. He's going crazyness. You know, he's

882
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 3: called Cuddies. And my man, Fred will hook you up.

883
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: Okay, he got ready make it. But if you could

884
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: do the pieces, I get you. And he's been there

885
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: since nineteen eighty four. So when I was in school,

886
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 2: he opened up the shop. He's still left. That's that's

887
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: when that came. That's what's up. Shout out Fred and

888
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: and in the b K. Yeah, and I got a little.

889
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 5: Left, not much, but you know I still kind of

890
00:47:55,160 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 5: you know, cleaning up a little bit. Us to my

891
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 5: face now, moved to my face.

892
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: Now the well, we had a lot of guys on here,

893
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: and they was and a lot of guys was from

894
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: the Dream Team too, and a lot of guys saying

895
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: Dream Team too will kick Dream Team one ass.

896
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: And I don't believe him.

897
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't want you to think that I believe him

898
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: now I'm definitely Dream Team one. You you originators had

899
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: to be respectful tell us about that, Like you think

900
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 1: the dream Team too had a chance to beat Jame

901
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: ting one.

902
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: Uh, first you got to tell me who was on

903
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: Dream Team too?

904
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 3: Uher hold don't even know he.

905
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: Like Kobe shack uh l J, Steve Smith, Gary Payton,

906
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: Evan Johnson, Jason Kidd.

907
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: Uh who else to hell of a team? To hell

908
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: of a team? But a Lonzo one I think was

909
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: on their team? Right? Uh huh uh let me hear

910
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: us there.

911
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 3: You don't let me just tell you like we didn't

912
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 3: have l J, we didn't had DC. Uh who else

913
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: Jack shack Zo? They all feel like it would have

914
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: been nothing. No, who was the one that been?

915
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: Was the difference? Uh? I mean it's it's it's always

916
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: hard to compare generations. But the one thing that's for

917
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: sure is there's only one dream Team, Right, There's only

918
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 2: one time you can do it as an original, right.

919
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: That was the first time. So historically I played at

920
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 2: eighty four with Michael Patrick. We had a heck look

921
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 2: up that team that was he remember the last the

922
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: last amateur team gold medal eighty eight Sharons and ta

923
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: Bonus beat us and then they opened up to pro.

924
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: So it was a whole you know, it was groundbreaking,

925
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: first time that ever happened. But come on, man, we're

926
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: not We're not going to give that up. The ain't

927
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 2: no way.

928
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: I like tell us more about that experience, though, because

929
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: I know y'all was like the biggest thing in life

930
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: that year, Like just seeing the old footage of it,

931
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 1: seeing the crowd standing outside the hotel, like the out

932
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: the world moved with y'all that whole tour, and uh,

933
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: just tell us about it and tell us about them

934
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: college kids coming in there and getting that little one

935
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 1: game and then y'all beat the ship out of him

936
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: for the next week.

937
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think for all of us, the fact

938
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: that it was the first time everyone was getting it,

939
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: no one knew what to expect. Yeah, get the call

940
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: man was late and I was like, I'm in. So

941
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 2: some of guys you know who else is playing? I'm like,

942
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 2: I'm in. I'm playing anyway. I'm going I'll be playing

943
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: basketball anyway in the summer. Yeah. But then when when

944
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 2: they announced the team, I'm like, Yo, this is gonna

945
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: be insane, dude, this is he's an legends, That's what

946
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Michael and Michael and Scotti in their prime,

947
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 2: you know, Magic and Liarry just icons already of the league.

948
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: Chuck Deily coaching. It was just just an incredible group

949
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: of people. Yes, John Stockton just you know, up and down.

950
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: Patrick David talked about, you know, just some of the

951
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: greatest players of all time.

952
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: At that point, though, did you realize that it was

953
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 3: about to be what it was about to be? And

954
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: it was you know, this was gonna be like one

955
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 3: of the they call it the best team ever assembled.

956
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, did you know prior

957
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: to that, like when you got the phone call? Like

958
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: what how was it when you really got to start realizing, Like,

959
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: like tell me about Okay, I remember watching the documentary.

960
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,959
Speaker 3: How was it when y'all get the Barcelona and y'all

961
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: bus can't even move It's literally just thousands upon that.

962
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: How was that feeling to be on that bus looking

963
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: out at that.

964
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: It was almost common and it was it was. It

965
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 2: was a steady build up, steady progression. So we had

966
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: a since we lost in eighty eight, we had a

967
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: qualified to go to Barcelona, so we had to play

968
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 2: a terment in Portland and that was that was a

969
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: good crowd there. And I remember that we practiced the

970
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: week in San Diego and we went to Portland and

971
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: you know, dusted up those guys and played well. And

972
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: we had two weeks off before we flew to Barcelona.

973
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: We flew the Monico actually to train again. But by

974
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: the time we got to Barcelona, this this you know,

975
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: media machine had picked up and it was just just amazing.

976
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 2: The hotel, that the people out there all night long.

977
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it was incredible. So I think we played

978
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: eight games in Barcelona, so each game there was more

979
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: people and more more security. To where the gold medal game,

980
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 2: we left the hotel and we had you know, motorcycles

981
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: and motorcade. We had helicopters above us. They had closed

982
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: the highway and on the highway they were pulling people

983
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 2: to the side of the road. Our bus went past

984
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: the team we were playing. They got pulled over. We

985
00:52:55,800 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: went past them, so they had no chance anyway, But

986
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: that that was just insult to injury man and you

987
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: got you know, look, Michael was at the you know,

988
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: at the prime of his career, and it was it

989
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: was amazing to watch, like this. Of course we knew

990
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 2: how great he was, but he became his global icon,

991
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 2: like right before your eyes the big banner in Barcelona,

992
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: and that was crazy. And you know I have played

993
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 2: with Michael and Eddy four. You know we played you know,

994
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: we came out of high school. Get I saw a

995
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: lot of things, but his hit, the level of play

996
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 2: and his you guys know legendary stories about Michael. I

997
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: mean he was playing golf all day and just coming

998
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: to those games and dominat him. And the one that

999
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 2: sticks out is when we played Coup Coach he and Scottie.

1000
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: Tell me about that because like we saw the we

1001
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: saw the Last Last Dance documentary and like to just

1002
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: hear and see how they were talking about it and

1003
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 3: how the other guys I said to hear bark and

1004
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 3: some of those guys say, I felt bad for Kukos

1005
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 3: going into that game, Like, tell me what that was like.

1006
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 3: Like you know, we all players, we know how it

1007
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 3: is when somebody like, yeah, you're no, trust me, We're

1008
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: about to handle this.

1009
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 2: Like so like, tell me what that was like. And

1010
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: then to just see it play out, well, you know,

1011
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: at that point in time, not only were they to

1012
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: the you know Michael obviously the greatest player in the league,

1013
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: but they were the best defensive players, like exactly. You know,

1014
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: That's what people don't really give my man MJ the

1015
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: credit for. He was a goon out there, and they

1016
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: could he and Scottie. They could pick up ninety four

1017
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 2: feet and guard the ball, handle it. They would chase

1018
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: you off screens, they could play, and they could do everything.

1019
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 2: So that game, it was just a different vibe. And I,

1020
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: you know, watching dark, I didn't know the whole background

1021
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: to that. I really didn't know the whole recruitment of

1022
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: Tony Kok coach, but there was there was a different folk,

1023
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 2: in a different energy in the locker room. Because we

1024
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 2: weren't practicing. We weren't doing intense scout reports. We just

1025
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: make sure we play our game. We did want to

1026
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 2: set a high set on how we played. We we

1027
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 2: don't just win. We wanted to win the right way

1028
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: and play team basketball. But that night they were like

1029
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: fighting over who got Like no I got him, And

1030
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: I mean.

1031
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 1: He probably ain't never faced that before. He never faced

1032
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: nobody playing him like that before.

1033
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: That length, strength, quickness and intensity have you Scotty. I mean,

1034
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 2: it was like he was playing the boxing one. But

1035
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 2: he wasn't. He was not talking off and to where

1036
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: that first game Tony was like, all right, man, if

1037
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 2: you want me out, I'm out. I'm done, like right,

1038
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: like basically just yeah.

1039
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: I mean that that was the vibe I got when

1040
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: you because you know, you can see the contrast of

1041
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: all of y'all talking about what they gonna do and

1042
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: how they gonna do it. Then you here you see

1043
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: Tony like he like, I didn't even know what was

1044
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: going on. I'm just to play. I'm excited to play

1045
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: these guys. And then it's like, oh, this type of situation.

1046
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 2: You think about it. You know, you got Michael leading

1047
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: league in scoring, but being able to do that on

1048
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: the defensive end. That's why he's the goat, you know

1049
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: what I mean? Hey, hold up, d man before you

1050
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 2: go further. You heard what he just said. You heard

1051
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 2: what he just said. He was doing one thing on

1052
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 2: one end and he could do it at the same

1053
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: level on the other end.

1054
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 3: And that's what makes him the what the goat man? Man,

1055
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 3: This is a goat calling him the goat. This is

1056
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 3: a goat calling him the goat.

1057
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: Man. I ain't gonna keep having these conversations.

1058
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 3: With these kids, mothery like, I'm tired of it, man,

1059
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: I'm sick and tired of it.

1060
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 2: I'm tired of it. But who taught you the game?

1061
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: Because your IQ is it's great.

1062
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: No, you're not the most athletic, but you did everything

1063
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: everybody else did.

1064
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 2: You played the game the right way.

1065
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: Your IQ level was above a lot, like you beat

1066
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: a lot of cast off IQ alone, you know what

1067
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But who taught you the game too? To

1068
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: manipulate the game the way you used to manipulate the game?

1069
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: So you kind of you kind of a rarity as

1070
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 3: far as like a New Yorker who had the real ratchet,

1071
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 3: who was known for the super ignorant stroke like you had,

1072
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: like you you know New York because I was known

1073
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: for the all handle getting to the cup and stuff

1074
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 3: like that. Like I felt like you from my memory

1075
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 3: was like the one of the one of the guys

1076
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: that was like, Okay, he's a he could shoot the

1077
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: hell out of the ball.

1078
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: Well, as Darius said, if you're if you're not athletic,

1079
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: you'd be able to shoot the ball to you know,

1080
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: and you know when you can shoot, you you gain

1081
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: a step, right if they get a bar all of

1082
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 2: a sudden. You might be slow, but they got to

1083
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: get a bar on you. Now you got damn now.

1084
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: I was fortunate to have incredible coaches at a young age.

1085
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: Fourth fifth grade guy named Jack Elisi it was my

1086
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: was my grade school coach, and it was the first

1087
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: guy to introduced me to It's like skill development, working

1088
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: on my on my right hand drill and work on

1089
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: my right hand layups and we would just progress from there,

1090
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: go in the gym by myself, so that I was

1091
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 2: introduced to that, that was taught to me. I didn't

1092
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 2: know about that through grade school and high school. My

1093
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: freshman year, I was a point guard. My first year,

1094
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 2: I was five nine ten as a sop, so I

1095
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: grew later. But another blessing was I was by the

1096
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: time I was a junior, I was six four sixty five.

1097
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 2: My coach kept me in the backcourt though I had

1098
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 2: I had grown up as a guard and when I

1099
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: grew I was the tallest guy. But he let me

1100
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: play guard, so so that was that was an advantage

1101
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: for me. And at Saint John's, coach Connesseca head coaching

1102
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 2: the ABA, so he had an NBA style. Uh and

1103
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: he was always you know, if we if we put

1104
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 2: in offense or defense, he would always explain not only

1105
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 2: what we were doing, why we were doing it, why

1106
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 2: we were doing where it came from. He was very like, well,

1107
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 2: he was trying to achieve out of it. Yeah, so

1108
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 2: you know I had great coaches. That's where that came from.

1109
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: And I do think too. You know, you guys are athletics,

1110
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: so you see the game a little differently. You know

1111
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 2: what I mean as a slower kind of playing under

1112
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: the rim. That's just how I saw the game. You know,

1113
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: open off screens, you know, using my teammates to get

1114
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 2: open as opposed to just the ball in iceo. You know,

1115
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: the little things you just pick up. And as far

1116
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 2: as you know New York guys, you know Q you

1117
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 2: said that they're knowing for their handles and dynamics shop making.

1118
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 2: A lot of that comes from that doesn't happen anymore.

1119
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 2: But once April came or May, we never was in

1120
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: the gym. We were in the park. We played outside.

1121
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: All the summer leagues were outside. So some days this

1122
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: windy sometimes you so seriously, guys, you know there's no

1123
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: nets on the rams and you just driving the ball,

1124
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: trying to get that thing in. I think that had

1125
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: a lot to do with it. But the combination of

1126
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: both being well coached and skilled development. And then when

1127
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: I was in I went to school in Manhattan as

1128
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: a freshman, that's when I was introduced. I started playing

1129
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: for this Riverside church just up in Harlem. So I

1130
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: had the combination of you know, kind of skill development

1131
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 2: and you know, fundamentally sound. And once I got to

1132
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 2: play in the inner city, I kind of put those

1133
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: two together. And that's where my big time love. I

1134
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,959
Speaker 2: loved going up and playing in the in the pack

1135
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 2: parks man, and going up there with you know, some

1136
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: some speculation like here's this dude walking in the in

1137
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: the in the park, man, he don't belong here. And

1138
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: then by the time the games, they'll be like, okay,

1139
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: you can come back, tell me, tell me, tell me

1140
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: about that.

1141
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 3: Like you know, you from you from Brooklyn, you play

1142
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: high school ball in Manhattan. You you went to Harlem

1143
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 3: and the Bronx to play. And then like you said,

1144
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 3: you're a white kid walking up in there in the

1145
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 3: in the in the hood park, Like how how was

1146
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 3: that for you? And like you say, the satisfaction after

1147
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 3: you bust them up.

1148
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: You you know what I'm saying. Was it that Billy

1149
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: Hoyle field where it's like man and this kid?

1150
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 3: Then you get out there and you tuned somebody Like

1151
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 3: how was when you first first before I mean, obviously

1152
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 3: at a certain point you get known, but when you

1153
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 3: first got out there, how was that for you? Yeah?

1154
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: Like pressure felt, pressure felt like man, if I don't perform,

1155
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: I'm done, I can't come back, you know. And then

1156
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 2: and you gotta do it every day too. It's not

1157
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 2: just one day you're in because that might be a flute.

1158
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: And back in the seventies and eighties, you know, Harlem

1159
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: is a little different than it is now. Now it's

1160
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: you know, back into renaissance again. But back then I

1161
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 2: played with some great, great players. Kenny Patterson, you remember

1162
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: him from the Paul He was nasty ed Picky was

1163
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 2: on my team pick Washington. You know, we had a

1164
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: bunch of great players. But several times when I first

1165
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: started going up there, you know, if we played like

1166
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 2: Saint forty after it was getting a little dark, ed

1167
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 2: picked me would walk me to the train station to

1168
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: make sure I got back in there. And then about

1169
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 2: you know, a few games in I was good to that.

1170
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: That was kind of hanging up there and then after

1171
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: why I never left. That was like home, right. So

1172
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: you know you're talking about pressure and you know whatever

1173
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: it be college and NBA. That was the first time

1174
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 2: I felt some pressure to perform in a different way,

1175
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: to get to be accepted, to gain your respect. But

1176
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: exactly that's really what we did our whole careers. Right

1177
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 2: to me, the best form of accomplishment is the respect

1178
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: from your peers and your teammates. Man, all Star games

1179
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: and those are things that are voted on, but when

1180
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 2: you have the respect of your opponent and your teammates,

1181
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 2: that that's really what we played for.

1182
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: That's that's the biggest thing. That's the biggest thing. The

1183
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 1: guys respect to your brothers at all. They respect you.

1184
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: It's like, oh man, you got it all.

1185
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1186
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about a player that played

1187
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: Juego State too, that was one of my favorite player

1188
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: of Marceloness.

1189
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was like Marcelona.

1190
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: Was not one of them guys that I used to

1191
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: play on the game with and do all that stuff,

1192
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: and he's one of the the you know, the first

1193
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 1: guys come over here and you know, do his thing, yes,

1194
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, yes, in this league. So how was that

1195
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: when Marcelonis came over and started playing with you guys.

1196
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 2: I'm glad, Yes, abou him, Darius. I think he was

1197
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 2: the trailblazer. He was. There was other players before him,

1198
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 2: obviously after him, but I thought the first guy that

1199
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: came over and had a big time role on a

1200
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 2: winning team and like carved out and he was an

1201
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 2: NBA player. Guys were coming and going back. Yeah, yeah,

1202
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: staying for a little bit, not not making it. But

1203
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 2: Sharonas came over on a really good team. He was

1204
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 2: highly touted. Everybody wanted shs and I mean, if you

1205
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 2: should watch there's a document called the Other Dream Team.

1206
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 2: You should check that out. In nineteen eighty eight, Sharonis

1207
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: played for the Russian national team MHM, and probably half

1208
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 2: of that team was Lithuanie. Yeah, I was about to say. Yeah.

1209
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: So in ninety two they gained their independence and Sharons

1210
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: put that team together. He was the best player, he

1211
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 2: was the fundraiser, he was deep, he did everything, and

1212
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: they wind up get in the box. One of the

1213
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 2: most amazing stories in sports. So they would do that.

1214
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: Eighty eight they want to go for Russia ninety two

1215
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 2: they got the independence. But anyway he was at that

1216
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 2: time with us, he might have been. He might have

1217
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 2: been the strongest guy in the NBA. Seriously, they said

1218
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 2: crazy hands. He would go down and not knock the ball.

1219
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: He would go to with two hands and just take

1220
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: it from people. We talked earlier about Scotty and Michael,

1221
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: how great they were. I remember one game and Sharon

1222
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: was one of those guys, a little bit like Bernard

1223
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 2: King as an offensive player. He would punish you. He

1224
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: would hurt you because he was so strong and just drive.

1225
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 2: Always left Corey mcgett there you go, hello, Hello. But

1226
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: I remember we were playing the Bulls and Shrewdness was

1227
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: shooting the free throw and I happen to be a

1228
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 2: half cold with michaelen Scotti and then they man, you

1229
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: got him, Man, I'm not. I'm not trying to get

1230
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 2: banged up with this dude. Man, he's rushing over man.

1231
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 2: That really one of the nicest guys in the world.

1232
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 2: I've been over to Lift winning several times. I visit him.

1233
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, to me, he was a trailblazer, you know.

1234
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: He Petrovich was on Portland so he didn't really explode

1235
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: til he got to New Jersey. Yeah, but Sharuns really

1236
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought was a trailblazer for the international players.

1237
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 2: And again because you respect the guys respected him. He

1238
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 2: came over. You know, back then European players were they

1239
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 2: were shooters and they were soft. He was the opera

1240
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: he was and he was tough as now. Yeah, I

1241
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 2: remember when he came over.

1242
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 1: I just thought he fit in with y'all so well,

1243
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: like he instantly started playing playing good.

1244
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: He just like fit the team. And think about that.

1245
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 2: So eighty eight him and they beat Mitch's team in

1246
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: the gold medal, and we had both them on our

1247
01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: team the following year, right, yeah, Dug.

1248
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 3: Tell me this, Tell me this, how close, if at all,

1249
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: were you to become on a Knick Because I see it,

1250
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 3: say you sign, you know, you signed just your nine

1251
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 3: year dear.

1252
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 2: I mean obviously you weren't that close because you never

1253
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: became free. But did you ever in your mind?

1254
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 3: I know, you know, we all, like I'm from Chicago,

1255
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 3: I thought about it at some point, like playing for

1256
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 3: the Bulls. Did you ever want to play with the

1257
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 3: Knicks prior to signing that? You know, your nine year

1258
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 3: extension with the Warrior. Yeah, that's summer. I had talked

1259
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 3: with them. I had thought.

1260
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 2: I thought about it, and back then, like I said,

1261
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 2: we didn't have that rookie scale, so I was on

1262
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 2: a four year deal. And back then, to get your

1263
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 2: unrestricted free agent, that had something called write a first refusal.

1264
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 2: So I played on a four year deal. I would

1265
01:06:42,680 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 2: have had to play on a one year deal and

1266
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 2: then become a free agent, so I would have had

1267
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 2: that was a risk, so I was. I thought about it.

1268
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 2: We had some some conversations, but I took the security.

1269
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 2: I was very I had also gone through some stuff

1270
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: off the court. You know, I went to rehab and

1271
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: got my life together in the Bay Area. I had

1272
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 2: a really good support system here. I was happy on

1273
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 2: the court, had things figured out off the court. So

1274
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 2: it was more of it was as much a basketball

1275
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: decision as it was a lifestyle decision. I'm still here

1276
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 2: a conference zone exactly.

1277
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: He played on the Dream Team with Larry Bird, and

1278
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: now you in Indiana playing for Larry Bird.

1279
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 2: He playing for Larry Bird.

1280
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 1: You got you got Mark Jackson over there throwing his

1281
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: dimes and you know, doing his shake, and he got

1282
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: one of the best shooters ever and Reggie Miller to

1283
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: play with, and uh, y'all a contender.

1284
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeall was definitely a big contender in the in the years.

1285
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: How was that to have Larry Bird as your coach

1286
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: and you know the Indiana and the team that I

1287
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: was playing for, It was awesome. Man.

1288
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: That was the most low maintenance team I ever played on.

1289
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 2: We had We had a bunch of vets and that

1290
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 2: was by design. Larry was not trying to come in

1291
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 2: and coach, uh, you know, a rebuilding program was He

1292
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 2: hand selected his guys. And obviously I knew Larry from

1293
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: the Olympics and Larry, you know, before he took the

1294
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 2: pacer job, he was doing some stuff with the Celtics.

1295
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 2: I remember going in there. I think the year before

1296
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 2: he took the pacer job, I saw him at the

1297
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:19,280
Speaker 2: Boston Guard. We talked, and you know, I always stayed

1298
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 2: in contact with him, and then when he got the job,

1299
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 2: he gave me a shot. I had a year left

1300
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,200
Speaker 2: on my deal. I was. I was renegotiating here with

1301
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: the Warriors, and he got that job, and you know,

1302
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 2: he needed a small forward, so I was like, yo,

1303
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 2: I'm all in man, it's you know, it's one of

1304
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,879
Speaker 2: my one of my idols. And you talked about Mark Jackson,

1305
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 2: Reggie Miller, Rick Smith's, Antonio Davis, Dale Davis, Derek Derek,

1306
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 2: Jalen Travitt, Al Harrington, John Bender. We had had we

1307
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 2: had a great team, man. So so that those three years, man,

1308
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 2: we went to two conference finals and NBA finals. You know,

1309
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: so big time success. Just just a bunch of pro

1310
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: of Sam Perkins, Mark West, show up to work, do

1311
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 2: your work. Larry Bird was as as transparent and straight

1312
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 2: forward as he as he played. He just kept it

1313
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 2: real simple, you know he did. He only had a

1314
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 2: few rules beyond time, you know, shad the ball, you know,

1315
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 2: play play hard. Very simple man. He just kept the

1316
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 2: way he played. I think initially everyone was a little

1317
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 2: intimidated by him, you know what I mean. He was

1318
01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: almost too quiet, you know, he was very very compulsed.

1319
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean, didn't get that clip when Regie made that

1320
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: incredible game winning shot.

1321
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 3: He just said like this, you mean when he cheated,

1322
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 3: you mean when he cheated and he pushed them Jack, Yes,

1323
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 3: that one.

1324
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a cheap player. I can literally tell

1325
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,800
Speaker 2: you exactly where I was. Let it go, man, Let

1326
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 2: it go, Let it go. I don't care. I was that.

1327
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 2: I was that.

1328
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 3: I was at USA Olympic Trials for the weather with

1329
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 3: the eighteen seven whatever whatever group I was in. My

1330
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 3: senior year was ninety eight. We were in Colorado. I

1331
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 3: remember a lot of the guys. There was guys all.

1332
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 2: Colorado Springs at the training facility, and I'll never forget.

1333
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 3: I'm telling you know me on Chicago, I'm talking all

1334
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 3: type of noise to whoever want to listen.

1335
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 2: Bulls ain't losing. I'm used to this. Mike.

1336
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 3: Then one look, whenever Mike, this guy that we gonna

1337
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 3: automatically win. We spoiled this Bulls fans like I thought

1338
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 3: the year they lost to the magic that was he

1339
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: came back against the Pacers and I was like, it

1340
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 3: don't matter we winning.

1341
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: He back and Gotti we back, we won. We didn't

1342
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,799
Speaker 2: do it. But then when they did that, I can remember.

1343
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,839
Speaker 2: I don't remember who I was about to swing.

1344
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 3: On somebody that day at the Olympic Trial. Food's talking

1345
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 3: and mess with me. I'm like, they cheated. I don't

1346
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 3: care what nobody say. He pushed Mike and they a

1347
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 3: lot like Mike almost failed Skinny dass. Reggie mil ain't

1348
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,760
Speaker 3: about to get no push off on MJ. And he

1349
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 3: go like that and it wasn't no real fat. I

1350
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 3: was wild so hot, I'll never forget. I can remember

1351
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 3: being at the USA Olympic Trials and that happened.

1352
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 2: He went about and bound and half court. I want

1353
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 2: somebody to just cross check them. But then we had

1354
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,759
Speaker 2: Game seven in Chicago and Scott was hockey Mark Jackson

1355
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 2: the whole night, so they got his back. It all

1356
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:17,720
Speaker 2: even now.

1357
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, this is the best part about that was

1358
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,799
Speaker 3: when he said, Hey, the championship still gotta run through Chicago.

1359
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 2: So I knew Mike was pissed when he said. I

1360
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 2: could see it in the interview, and I was like,

1361
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 2: we're good. Three peaks, man, you can't beat that.

1362
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: Hey, uh, you're from Brooklyn, home of the best two

1363
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 1: rappers ever, jay Z and Biggie.

1364
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 2: What was the first CD you bought with your own money?

1365
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: I mean, my playlist is as diverse as my teammates

1366
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: across the board. Dude, I got, I got, I go

1367
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 2: from seventy Rock. Yeah, I'm like that too, Studio fifty

1368
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: four Classic Vinyl Rock, the Bells Radio. You know I'm

1369
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 2: down with everything, man. But but you know, growing up,

1370
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 2: I remember when I tell you I played for Riverside.

1371
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 2: I used to meet the van on Saturdays on one

1372
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty fifth and second ad right in the

1373
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 2: middle of Harlem, and we get in a van. We

1374
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: go play in Brooklyn, Queens. We play up in the

1375
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 2: hallm we take a van together. It was the first

1376
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: time my teammates had, you know, their box, you know,

1377
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 2: the big boombox with the cassettes. I'm like, damn, man,

1378
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 2: that's nasty. I like that. But you couldn't hear on

1379
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 2: the radio. I only heard it. They only had and

1380
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 2: they would make me a tape. I bring it back

1381
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 2: to my neighborhood, like, dude, what is that? Because it

1382
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 2: wasn't on the radio yet, believe it or not.

1383
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: You know, in the seventies, can you imagine shooting fifteen

1384
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: seventeen's three pointers in one game?

1385
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 2: Well, you pay these guys do now. I know you

1386
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 2: watched that the regular.

1387
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: You imagine getting them them shots up like they like

1388
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 1: I was telling them, like back in the day, they

1389
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: guy wouldn't even shoot that many threes and pickup ball

1390
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: like now to seen of getting them off in the game.

1391
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: Can you imagine you doing it? Well, that's that's like,

1392
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: that's the biggest change in the game is the three

1393
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 2: point shot, the number of shots taken and then and

1394
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: the players ability to make them. You know, Steph Clay, Dami,

1395
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,040
Speaker 2: Dame Lillard, they're on a different level, Like though those

1396
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,719
Speaker 2: guys are told different but the game itself, the spacing

1397
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: of the three point line, where guys play, you know,

1398
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 2: three and four feet behind a three point line, to

1399
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: space the floor, to be able to drive the you know,

1400
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: drive the lanes and things like that. That's the biggest

1401
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: difference in the game of basketball. I think for the better,

1402
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 2: but I still think when there's a balance to it,

1403
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 2: you know, and ultimately the quality of three points. Now

1404
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 2: you can generate fifty quality three point shots. I say,

1405
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: take them off, but there's a fine line between just

1406
01:13:57,000 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 2: launching up threes and you know, drunk drunk drawing kid

1407
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 2: off double teams in the post transition threes are always good.

1408
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 2: So find the balance of both. I still I still think,

1409
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 2: you know, an open eighteen foot that's my ring songs

1410
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, like that, That's what I'm talking about.

1411
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: We'll put my wife on holes. Yeah. So, so the

1412
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: three point shots, but generating those threes, getting quality shots.

1413
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 2: I think the teams that win the championship they still

1414
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 2: have a good balance of threes, fast break points, points

1415
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 2: in the paint, free throws. Just to put a timeline

1416
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,719
Speaker 2: on my my college career, we played no shot clock,

1417
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,639
Speaker 2: no three point line. That's almost a different sport mm hmmm,

1418
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 2: dub without any of it. So it's but also it's

1419
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 2: a slow pace. You know, we might run three three

1420
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: plays to get it, get the shot we wanted. So

1421
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 2: the game has changed. But you know, to me, you know,

1422
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 2: you look at the guys, you know they can make them. Man,

1423
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 2: they practice them to make them. The one thing I

1424
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 2: did that I see the Warriors play different. They they

1425
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 2: played Steph Moose without the ball. You know he's perpetual

1426
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 2: motion and and you know he can play with and

1427
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 2: play without it. But that cookie cutter offense where you

1428
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 2: run high pick and roll with two corner threes, that

1429
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 2: offense puts the defense in his zone. Right, You've got

1430
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: two deep corner threes, you get the high pick and roll.

1431
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 2: You're basically putting the defense and elbows and boxes, which

1432
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: is really its own right. So right, So, so finding

1433
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 2: the back of course you want to shoot the but

1434
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 2: I think you, like the Warriors, do a good job

1435
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 2: of it. San Antonio's always been pretty the balance of

1436
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 2: motion with you know, trying to find your three point shots,

1437
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 2: I guess, but again I think you know ship your

1438
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 2: original question, Garius, I love to shoot fifteen threes. Again,

1439
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 2: this question I like to ask og. Are you from Brooklyn?

1440
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:16,799
Speaker 3: You from the BK, you know, humble beginners and stuff

1441
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 3: like that when you first first started to get that

1442
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 3: bread Now I ain't talking about you know, you took

1443
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 3: care of your family, you got a house, you did this.

1444
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:27,759
Speaker 2: What did what did Chris Mulley do to treat himself?

1445
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 3: Something that you look back on, like at that mound,

1446
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 3: I probably should have did that, but it felt damn

1447
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 3: good at the time as a young fellow to be

1448
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 3: able to go out there and do this.

1449
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: I want to hear. I want to hear something, foolish man.

1450
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 2: What did you do? O g What did you do

1451
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 2: to treat yourself?

1452
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 3: Right after I know it was right after you when

1453
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,639
Speaker 3: it got the you know, you got the good shape

1454
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 3: up in the fade and everything.

1455
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to hear the hat to way, Well,

1456
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 2: what did you do? I mean, it took me a while.

1457
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 2: My first two years in the league. I was still

1458
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,560
Speaker 2: living in Brooklyn at my at my family's house, and

1459
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 2: my parents they wouldn't leave. They didn't want to leave.

1460
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 2: I finally bought a house on Long Island. Okay, that

1461
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 2: was the first year. I really you know, I bought

1462
01:17:13,720 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 2: a house locally. But you know, I needed that and

1463
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 2: my stuff I needed. That was the first. So so

1464
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 2: to have two houses was big for me, Like that

1465
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 2: house on the west coast and the house on the east,

1466
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 2: two different states. Balls, So that was that was unheard of, man.

1467
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, so it was it was that it was

1468
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 2: the house to have space and you know, have a

1469
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: pool and you know like that, so and have you know,

1470
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 2: walk out in the backyard if you don't want to,

1471
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 2: you know, put clothes on. You didn't have to. I

1472
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 2: got my own, I got some I go to the

1473
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: backyard and go to the bathroom. Man, I was gonna

1474
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 2: say anything. That's what my privacy, bad privacy, do whatever

1475
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: I want back. I liked it all right, man. That's

1476
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 2: been a man.

1477
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 3: We had a great time chopping it up with this

1478
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 3: legend right here. Man, Molly, we appreciate you for pulling

1479
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,080
Speaker 3: up on a young kids. Knuckleheads in the building.

1480
01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: Y'all be mild you my pleasure man. Yeah, I appreciate you.

1481
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 2: Proud of you, guys.

1482
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 4: Man.

1483
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 2: Keep up to good work. All right.

1484
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,519
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1485
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:27,640
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01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,120
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1487
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,320
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