WEBVTT - Civic Cipher 073022 How Does Real Government Accountability Look? (Part 2) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:06.080 And now moving my mic back, you're like that. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:14.400 You can strike head borders behind him and. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:15.360 If you're just tuning in the civic sacer around your 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.439 host rams this Joh he is Joh, I am q Ward. 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.239 She is maggieby knowing. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:23.119 She are saying excited, big shot out maggiby know and 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:24.799 she put together a good show for us this week. 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.080 A lot more to stick around for, so please do 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:30.920 just that. We're going to talk a little bit more 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:35.519 about kind of where we left off there some police accountability, 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:38.920 the value of police, and really what what we think, 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.159 uh you. 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:42.840 Know, in terms of we're gonna be fair though, because 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.000 we're sorry you said police accountability and I just couldn't 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:49.960 help it. I'm sorry. That's it's this is the place 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.199 for that. We're gonna be fair. We're gonna be as 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:54.560 fair as we will man. 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.840 But we're also going to look at how government institutions 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:03.280 look at policing and the disconnect between our lived reality. 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:05.920 We're also going to talk about the origins of policing 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.440 for our way Black history. Fact for those that don't know, 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:15.600 policing comes from slave times, you know, as it turns out, 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.479 So stick around for all that but first and foremost, 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.559 we're going to discuss how to become a better ally 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:24.000 b A b A bah bah. And this is brought 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:26.840 to you by Hip Hop Weekly magazine, and we're going 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:30.800 to do especially one this week. We're going to shout 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:37.160 out our listeners. You We're going to name one listener 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:42.160 in particular, but you listening to this show, you are 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.760 becoming better allies by listening to the conversations that we're having. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:47.520 You know, twenty twenty told us that we need to 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:51.960 talk more. That's what we're doing. But you know, what 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:53.680 do you say? We don't do this for free. We 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:57.040 do it for freedom, right, That's what Maggie tells us, right. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.920 But I think more importantly we say at the end 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.240 of the show, the show has been growing, and it 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.040 has been and in order to really take advantage of 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:11.600 all the opportunities, and if you feel inclined, you can 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:13.959 support us in that growth fiscally. And I want to 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:19.760 give an example here. This message came from a listener 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:24.000 named Timothy Roper, who listens to us on WOOLFM black 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.240 Sheet Radio in Vermont. 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:29.480 Black Sheet Radio. I love itmwol I love it. 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:31.760 Yeah, So he wrote us a message and he sent 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.040 us fifty bucks and we use that fifty bucks to 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.120 purchase something that we now have in the studio with 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.720 us man. So thank you, Timothy. We appreciate you, and 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.680 you can do the same. But he sent a note 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.720 with his donation. It says, I listened to your syndicated 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.160 show on Wooln Vermont. I want to extress my gratitude 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.960 for all you share and the wisely measured way in 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.280 which you share it. So we want to say thank you, Timothy. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:59.000 Your words and of course your monetary generosity genuinely have 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.760 made a difference in our world, and. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:02.640 We appreciate you. We appreciate you. Brother. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:04.919 You can do the same. There's a ton of ways 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:08.600 to donate. Hit Civiccipher dot com and you'll see it. 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:12.040 It's right there. Help us grow. We need you and 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:18.639 we'll do this thing together. Now moving on, why can't 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.200 we live? And where is the real accountability? 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.480 What a question? Right? That's that's that's that's one for 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.560 the ages. So I wonder if we'd said that instead 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:31.200 of Black Lives Matter, if they would have come up, 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.360 they would actually slow, they would have figured it out, 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:38.160 and you know, and opposition to that one, they would 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:39.360 have figured it out. Man. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:44.240 Listen, babe, we are not up against forces that are 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:50.560 uninformed or unintelligent. These are people that are master manipulators. 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.800 They know how to twist the narrative. They you know, 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.240 I was watching something about Tucker Carlson. Not to go 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.640 off on a tangent here, but he was having a 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.320 conversation with a student, and his advice to the student was, 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:04.680 you know, get married and have lots of babies. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:06.280 Right. 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:10.120 And as you know, the great replacement theory is something 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:15.200 that's largely pushed on the right where white men in 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:19.600 particular feel like they're going to lose the numbers game 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.360 quote unquote, and they feel that it's a concerted effort 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:30.160 by Jewish people who have coordinated with black and Hispanic 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:36.239 folks to shift the numbers away from a white majority 0:04:36.240 --> 0:04:39.880 in the country. Not that nature does that, because you know, 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.440 if you look at it through a scientific lens, it's nature. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.200 Maggie, Maggie, I don't know if she can answer us 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:47.760 because she doesn't have a mic. Did you get the 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:53.800 email for the invitation to the Jewish minorities pilgrimage to 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.720 erase white people as on? Like, I don't know that 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:02.280 that's a firm note they send civic cipher. No, no, 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:03.800 no they didn't. I didn't get that either. It wasn't 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.120 on the website that they would get a pamphlet at 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.720 the po box. No, if they did, you know, this 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.720 would be the place where we would share it with people. Right, 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.640 you know, I would have loved to have done a 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:17.320 show live from place conference or trades or whatever you 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.200 would call such a thing. It's it's it's but you 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.640 see what I mean, there are these. 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:30.320 Uh they make these boogeymen out of thin air, and 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.279 they do a great job of scaring their constituents and 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:39.000 their listeners into taking action against forces that are not 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:43.640 even they don't even exist in a shared reality. And nobody, 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.960 nobody's counting. Nobody's like, okay, we need to have more 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:51.240 babies so that we can have the number. Like what 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:54.920 that that feels? So it's like hustling backwards because then 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.480 what exactly we got to take all these babies? 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.880 Right? So anyway, because our government sure goes out of 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:03.440 their way to help us support all these babies. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:07.159 Right, thank you Q for pointing out the obvious. But 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.919 that narrative is so entrenched. This is the the narrative 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:14.360 that the white supremacist shooter in the top supermarket had 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:16.640 he had written on his gun, you will not replace us, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:17.200 you know. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:22.520 And this is shared you know in those those those 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:29.360 white supremacist like chat rooms on the internet, their manifesto places. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:35.080 Yeah, and they're not stupid, they are just they subscribe 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.239 to a separate reality that it's not a shared reality. 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:43.120 It's just their reality. And they're so afraid of what 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.600 we know to be nothing, but in their world it's 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:49.080 a very real thing. I mean, they found a way 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:54.840 to stir their base into a frenzy that's monolithic. Sure, 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:58.000 and that's why it's successful. They don't have to have 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:02.960 the majority, right, we can outnumber them by tens of millions, 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.919 but they're if we got sixty million and they got ten, 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:10.560 all their ten is on the same page. They on 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.400 the same joint, Like this is what we're on right, 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:18.320 our sixty I'm talking about I don't like Ramses's afro, 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.040 He don't like my hair, his glasses. The black minds 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:24.240 have a gold tinge. We're gonna spend our whole thing 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.920 pointing out the problems in the holes and the small 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:34.120 fractures in each other that ten million. They don't care 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.160 nothing about none of that. They are trying to replace us. Yeah, 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.480 that's it. That is their work. That fear worked for 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.000 that small number of people, and they are united in 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:47.040 that fear. So we are cannibalizing ourselves by tearing each 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.760 other down and not supporting the same message, the same vision, 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:54.200 the same anything. It is quite discouraging. You know what 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:55.720 comes to mind when you say that is the way 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.960 that we treated Bernie Sanders for the last election. But 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.040 hang on, I have I have a whole other another 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.880 point to me. So to your point, it wouldn't matter 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.360 if we called a movement black Lives Matter, It wouldn't 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.520 matter if we called a slogan defund the police. They 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.200 would figure out. In they're brilliance, I would admit that, 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.360 in they're brilliance, they would figure out a way to 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:21.200 challenge the narrative and the actual language the war cry. 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.000 They would figure it out. You know, these are marketing professionals. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.200 I went to school for marketing, so I know, like, man, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:30.720 that's brilliant. You know, a way to counter counter a statement, 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:34.120 a movement or whatever. And then, because they are monolithic 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:42.720 in their focus and in their efforts, they can exist 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.079 and really do some damage to a movement or a moment. Now, 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:51.040 let's actually look into what we're trying to look into 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:55.640 here for this topic. All right, So our first set 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.400 of notes comes from the Washington Post. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:00.520 All Right. 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:06.320 During his presidency, the Trump administration abandoned a provision, sorry, 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:10.760 abandon a proven way to reduce police violence. Patterner practice 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.520 investigators are considering one of the best ways to reign 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.360 in and reform dysfunctional departments. Congress created the authority for 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:23.319 these federal and investigations formerly known as thirty four USC 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.000 one two six or A one and the aftermath of 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:33.400 the vicious beating of Rodney King by LAPD officers. Now 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:39.360 the patterner practice investigations civil not criminal investigations aimed at 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.720 systemic problems, not individual officers, allow but allow the federal 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:47.440 government to sue any law enforcement entity that engages in 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:54.120 a pattern or practice of conduct that deprives a person's rights, privileges, 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.120 or immunities secured by or protected by the Constitution or 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.240 laws of the United States. Government cannot sue for money, 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:06.160 but it can sue for what's called equitable and declaratory relief, 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:10.120 which is an order from a judge that police agencies 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.040 have to enact specific reforms. Most cases don't go to trial. 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:17.080 Once the federal government has uncovered specific and multiple constitutional violations, 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.880 the police department will often begin negotiating rather than defend 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.440 its practices in court. These usually result in consent decrees, 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:27.040 where the police departments agree to reform their practices. Now, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:36.360 the Trump administration abandoned this provision that minimized or minimized 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:39.200 might not be the right word, but reduced police violence. 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:43.200 And it can't be intelligently argued that they did that 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:48.280 for any other reason than to allow these agencies to 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:54.280 operate the way that they do with impunity. That's it, right. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:11:00.000 So if it was just Donald Trump, you might listen, 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.720 might think, well, yeah, of course that's Trump. That's what 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:04.240 he does, that's what he stands for, that's what his 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:05.160 base wants. 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:09.480 You know, because the United States of his base isn't 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:14.760 affected by not just Orange man. So watch this, and 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.320 this is why we're talking about this this week because 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:25.960 our producer Maggie pointed out to us that President Biden, 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.920 our current sitting president of the United States of America, 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:35.880 as of you're listening to our voice, he was set 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:43.199 to make an announcement in support of allocating more funds 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:47.400 for the police and hiring more officers, right, and that 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.320 was overshadowed. That announcement was overshadowed because he got COVID 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.719 right at the same time. So it ended up kind 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:55.720 of getting put out by the White House. But he 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:57.800 didn't get to say it because he was not allowed 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.400 to be in front of folks on camp or. 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.000 Whatever his situation was. But he was set to do that, 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.000 So I'll read this. This one also comes from the 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:12.600 Washington Post. Biden makes his midterm message clear, fund the police, 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:19.760 all right. Republicans applauded the blunt proclamation. Activist mourned its 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:26.280 deeper message. This comes via Legal Defense Funds website. Response 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.040 to Biden's proposal. On Thursday, President Biden revealed the Safer 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:34.960 America Plan okay, which includes important support for community led 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:40.480 crime prevention and intervention, increased law enforcement accountability, sentencing reform, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.800 and gun violence abatement. Now those key words in there 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:50.080 sound like what it is that everyone's been working toward, right, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:57.680 community policing, you know, increased accountability, so forth and so on, Right, 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:02.800 But it fails to address, In fact, it exacerbates the 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:08.319 existing problem, which is over policeing. I want to take 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.520 a moment right here because I had a conversation with 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:18.920 a friend today and he went to a grocery store, 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:23.520 and he said, a person walked into the grocery store 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.640 and went to the fruit section of the grocery store, 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.120 grabbed some fruit and started eating the fruit. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:30.280 Right. 0:13:37.480 --> 0:13:40.800 This is very sad because the person that went into 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.640 the store and got the fruit was hungry. That's why 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.120 you go in the store to that's where the food is. 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:46.400 Right. 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:51.080 If a moose walked into the store and ate an apple, 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.360 what do you do with the moose? Do you call 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:56.880 the police? Well, you might call the police because you 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.360 might not want to run at a moose, but you 0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:01.079 know what I'm trying to say, definitely not trying to 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.520 get down with the moose. But does the moose get arrested? 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.520 You call the police is for far different reasons, right, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:15.320 and the police respond in a different way to an animal. Okay, 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.480 But this person went into the store hungry, right to 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.200 the fruit wrap some fruit on the cameras of everything. 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.240 Let me just eat this fruit, right, So what recourse 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:27.360 does the store have? 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:33.360 Called the police? And when you call the police, you 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.160 know the store didn't have to do that. I don't 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.160 want to mention the store because there were stores, but. 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.840 I mean you could actually got to pay for Yeah. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:48.280 But my assumption is that, you know, I don't know 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.760 that the man's personal details. Remember I'm hearing this from 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:57.200 someone who witnessed it happen. But you know, if you're 0:14:58.400 --> 0:15:01.800 a store manager, my assumption is that this was a 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.960 middle manager type of person that perhaps is a you know, 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.960 based on this where the location of the store and 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.520 the population in that part of the city, this might 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:16.359 have been someone who was not melanated. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.760 We'll say that it doesn't mean you can't be compassionate 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.520 and exactly just by the person a piece of fruit, right. 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:26.440 But the thing is, this show exists to teach people 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.520 what it looks like a dollar that it might cost. 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:30.920 But again, this show exists to teach people what that 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:34.600 might look like. They may not know how to be 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.040 compassionate because they may never never have seen it. They 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.200 may think, Okay, what is the only thing I can 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.560 do to keep my job? To address this? Five pounds 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.360 of bananas cost like a dollar and fifty cent. Okay, 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.440 we know this. I'm just saying, we know this so 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.640 does the grocery store manager. Okay, but watch this again. 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.520 If their systems in place and you're trying to your 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.880 best to do your job and do right by everybody, 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.240 you might think the only thing I can do, it's 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:03.640 called the police. If you didn't grow up like us, 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:05.760 that might be the only thing, that's the only tool 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.520 that you have. Because you might not know in your mind, 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.800 if you don't have any melanin in your skin, and 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.400 you didn't grow up culturally adjacent to black and brown 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:16.800 people in the city, you might not know what it's 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:18.720 like to be over policed in the first place. You 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:20.920 might not have even heard any stories. You also might 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.840 be underqualified to be a manager of a retailer. Okay, 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:25.960 we can, we can. We can have that conversation too. 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:30.600 That's a separate conversation. But you're not wrong. But you know, 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.760 just to finish, they called the police. The police come 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:40.320 in mass so by the time I because you got 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:43.680 to send swat because right so, by the time going 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.880 down and produce, by the time my friend leaves the store, 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:54.160 there's seven police cars something like that, tons of police 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:58.360 officers for someone now seated at the front of the 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:02.800 store for eating fruit. In the store with no money 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:06.720 and no intention to pay for it. Now, if you're 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.520 like me and you live in this country, you know 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:14.080 right now food prices are high, wages are down, you 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:15.920 know what I mean, Like it's it's you know, it's 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:17.639 hard to keep a job, it's hard to keep rent, 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.400 and so forth and so on. So so let's hang 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.679 on hand. We gotta get out of it. Let me 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:24.280 let me finish, Let me finish, Let me finish what 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:25.400 I'm saying. Man. 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.440 So, if that's the only number that you can call, 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.600 and that's the way that they respond. If you send 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:34.280 seven police cars to respond to somebody eating fruit at 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:39.040 a store, imagine how much money it takes to get 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:43.040 that going, to get that endeavor. All those officers are 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.760 there now for an hour, writing incident reports, making sure 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.240 there's back up radio. You know, these are resources that 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.360 we pay for for somebody eating fruit versus what did 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:53.080 you say, how much do them bananas costs? 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.200 I want four pounds of bananas yesterday for a dollar 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.040 and forty one cent or something like that. So do 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:03.399 you think that maybe there is a ticketing system that 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.600 might work a little bit better there? Or you know, 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:07.880 I'm not saying I have the answer, but I'm saying 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.359 that rethinking what policing needs is even even with the 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.320 systems in place. Yet, let's find the guy, however, manager, 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:18.680 store manager, if anyone listening as a store manager. Of course, 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.520 you cannot do this for every case because you have 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.960 a family to support, you have bills. But by the 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.440 person the piece of fruit, yeah, man, and if you 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:30.320 see somebody really really like, by the person the piece 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.439 of fruit. But listen, if you see somebody stealing food, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.760 no you didn't. That's it simple. 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.720 If somebody's stealing your bike out of your front yard, 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:44.040 you run them down and you get your bike back. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:45.879 However, that looks you and that person got to work 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.720 that out. I mean, right, if they're stealing cases of noodles, 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:53.600 and like there's stealing stuff off the out of the 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.480 aisles in the store, and there a thief, then yeah, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.600 they should probably be dealt with like a thief. They 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:04.080 shouldn't be you know, things can go really wrong, however, 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:09.040 food Well, let's let's not pretend that we don't live 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.600 in a capitalist society. However, yeah, that's fair. Right, if 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.679 you still are microphones, we can't just watch you do 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:18.359 it because whatever your reasoning is right, you're hungry. I 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.080 can just buy you a piece of fruit, like the 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:26.040 store manager can afford to buy that person and probably 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:30.400 the next ten people a piece of fruit and wouldn't 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.840 affect anything. It wouldn't affect anything. They throw that food away, right, 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.240 And there's and there's there's accountability for loss in retail 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:41.920 as well. Right, they kind of understand that most retailers 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.600 going away from even having people that registers and letting 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.639 everyone's self check out, they're taken into account that some 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:49.560 of those people are walking out of the store. 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.280 Now, hang on, I don't want to get too far 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.720 away from the police's role in this, correct, Right, So 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:00.200 we all live in the same country, in the same reality. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:05.840 For the most same country. Okay, we live in the 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:10.959 same country. Yeah, realities. Okay, that's fair, but realities be different. 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.240 I'm going to be fair in this moment. If something bad, 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.160 if somebody walks into the studio right now and takes 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.399 the microphones, what do we do Either watch it happen 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:18.199 or call the police. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.040 That's really what it is. So I'm not mad at 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:21.720 the store manager. I mean, I'm from seven miles so 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.600 we can listen. You better say that California be busy. 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:29.639 But you know, you know what I mean, right, you 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:33.120 know what I mean, you know, call the police or 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:35.800 you know, watch it happen or both, you know. And 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.520 some people they're not from seven mile and they don't 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:41.840 have that in them, and they shouldn't. That's not that's 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.440 I don't believe that. That is Our nature is human things. 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.639 We cooperate. We are social creatures. We are programmed to 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.280 get along with one another, and we are taught to 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:55.280 behave in an opposite manner, and we are conditioned by 0:20:55.359 --> 0:20:58.560 society to behave in an opposite manner and to espouse 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:04.800 greed and you know, capitalism once again. Yeah, but police 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:11.040 over policing is a problem. So for Joe Biden to 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.520 say we need to put one hundred thousand more officers 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.760 on the streets, you know, despite his coded language here 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.480 police accountability, et cetera, et cetera, what you end up 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:25.400 with is everybody showing up trying to do the job right. 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.480 So let me. I'm gonna paint a picture. I'm gonna 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:29.720 paint a picture for our listeners. 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:34.240 Okay, all right, I have a house right the outside 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:37.640 of my house, I want to paint it yellow. Okay, 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:44.240 I call a painter to come and paint the outside 0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:50.159 of my house yellow. Right, somehow seven painters end up 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.320 showing up at my house. Right now, they all have 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:57.639 to justify being there because I'm the painter. This is 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:01.600 a house. I'm here with yellow paint, right, So they 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:02.560 all are going to want to. 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:05.200 Get a piece of it. They're going to get involved 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:09.920 to justify their existence. I know there's too many painters, 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:12.520 so this is going to be a problem. And guess what. 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:14.560 Each of them paints a little bit of the house 0:22:15.520 --> 0:22:17.320 and then it's seven different shades of. 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:18.600 Yellow, and then my house is ugly. 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:22.760 Right, So think about that when we talk about over policing, right, 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:26.760 And the fact is we know that if you reallocate 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:31.480 police resources the right way, in a way that addresses 0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:35.639 the problems, the source of the problems daycare, you wouldn't 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.240 make that connection. But sure enough, there's a connection between 0:22:38.359 --> 0:22:41.879 daycare and how accessible it is and crime rates in 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:45.080 certain communities. That is a fact, right. 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:50.879 Employment, social services, thank you, thank you these things, right, 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:54.159 and then you don't even need that many police. 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:56.560 I'm not going to be pretend like crime isn't always 0:22:56.640 --> 0:22:58.960 going to be with us because there are bad people. 0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.720 They do exist in all colors, and we perhaps might 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:09.359 need some traditional elements of policing to remain, especially in 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:14.959 the haves versus have not society fair. But you know 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:21.119 where we are with this is we have a government 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:29.040 that is detached in terms of their thinking from what 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:33.040 is really happening on the streets where Q is getting 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:36.119 pulled over for a speeding ticket. And we realize that 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:38.240 we not only have too many of these people, we 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:42.119 have the wrong the people with the wrong temperament, you know, 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:44.399 because of the sake we need to fill the We 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:46.800 need one hundred thousand more people. Okay, so what's the 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:48.840 qualifications of the one hundred thousand more people? Do you 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:50.320 need to get people that get mad when they write 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:53.960 a ticket because that's the job that they chose to do, 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:55.840 you know what I mean? And then you're gonna give 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:57.800 these people guns and have them make life and death 0:23:57.800 --> 0:24:02.000 decisions and then give them immune from the consequences, and 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:03.960