WEBVTT - You're Actually Not Bothering People Enough

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. Hey, Happiness Lab listeners, We're finally coming to the

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<v Speaker 1>end of our Happiness Hot Take series, a whole season

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<v Speaker 1>in which I've been calling out the bad happiness advice

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<v Speaker 1>that I hear so often on the internet. For a

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<v Speaker 1>final hot take, we're heading back into the Happiness Lab

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<v Speaker 1>archives to revisit a misconception that I struggle with myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of us find it hard to ask for support,

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<v Speaker 1>either because we're afraid of inconveniencing other people or we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to come off as too needy. We're taught

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<v Speaker 1>to handle things on our own, even at times when

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<v Speaker 1>we really could use a helping hand. But today's hot

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<v Speaker 1>take is this we should be bothering people a little

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<v Speaker 1>more often. It turns out that asking someone for a

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<v Speaker 1>favor doesn't just make life easier for you, it can

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<v Speaker 1>actually make the other person happier as well. So stay

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<v Speaker 1>tuned for research and stories that reveal why asking for

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<v Speaker 1>everything from a little as assistance to a massive act

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<v Speaker 1>of generosity can be good for everyone involved. Here's this

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<v Speaker 1>week's in case you missed it Happiness hot take. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you enjoy it. We're in a first grade classroom

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<v Speaker 1>in Beijing, China. It's about twenty years ago. Ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>the annual holidays. To mark the occasion, a teacher has

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<v Speaker 1>brought and wrapped presents for her students. The gifts are

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<v Speaker 1>stacked up in a corner ready to be handed out,

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<v Speaker 1>and if she.

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<v Speaker 2>Just stop right there, it'll be a great story.

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<v Speaker 1>Jah John was one of those excited kids.

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<v Speaker 3>But she had all of us come to the front

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<v Speaker 3>of a classroom and said, hey, why don't you guys

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<v Speaker 3>say nice things about each other. If someone calls your

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<v Speaker 3>name and says something nice about you, you can go

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<v Speaker 3>get a gift and sit down.

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<v Speaker 1>One by one, The kids started sharing kind words about

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<v Speaker 1>their classmates.

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<v Speaker 3>It was great when he started someone's can sing really well.

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<v Speaker 3>Someone is helpful to other teachers, and I will applaud

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<v Speaker 3>as if it might turn.

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<v Speaker 1>But the flow of compliments soon slowed down and then

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<v Speaker 1>petered outcome lately worried, Jao's teacher asked, doesn't anyone have

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<v Speaker 1>anything nice to say about the students who are still

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<v Speaker 1>at the front of the class. No one spoke. Three

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<v Speaker 1>gifts sat uncollected in the corner, and three kids stood

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<v Speaker 1>rejected at the front of the room, and I was.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just a fleeting few minutes in Jao's life,

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<v Speaker 1>but the events of that day cast a long shadow.

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<v Speaker 1>Joh eventually graduated school, then headed to college, and began

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<v Speaker 1>a new life outside China.

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<v Speaker 3>But the thing is, once I came to the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>I started following like a path of almost like at

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<v Speaker 3>least resistance.

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<v Speaker 1>Nearing his thirties, Jao felt like he was being held

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<v Speaker 1>back from chasing his dreams and fulfilling his potential, and

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<v Speaker 1>he traced some of that back to the fateful day

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<v Speaker 1>many years ago, where he stood rejected in front of

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<v Speaker 1>his classmates.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty sure it didn't help.

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<v Speaker 1>You See, Jean needed all the confidence, self belief, and

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<v Speaker 1>drive he could muster because he had a dream.

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<v Speaker 3>I've always wanted to be an entrepreneur. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>actually come from a family of teachers, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>never want to be a teacher. I want to be

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<v Speaker 3>entrepreneur because I was inspired by Bill Gates.

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<v Speaker 1>Becoming the next Bill Gates requires a willingness to put

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<v Speaker 1>yourself out there. You've got to be prepared to tell

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<v Speaker 1>potential investors and clients about your big plans, and you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to be prepared for them to laugh you out

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<v Speaker 1>of the room. You have to knock on door after

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<v Speaker 1>door after door, asking for support and backing until you

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<v Speaker 1>get the answer you want. And Jaw just wasn't sure

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<v Speaker 1>he could handle that.

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<v Speaker 2>I just felt like my fear of rejection was really

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<v Speaker 2>holding me back.

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<v Speaker 1>Though now fully grown, Jaw still felt the pain of

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<v Speaker 1>his six year old self.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was just miserable, to be honest, because I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like I'm getting old. My wife was pregnant, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just feel like I probably missed my mark to

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<v Speaker 3>be this entrepreneur that I've always wanted to be.

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<v Speaker 1>So was shopping to admit defeat and give up on

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<v Speaker 1>his dream and remain miserable on this path of least resistance.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, So that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Where I realized I got to overcome this fear of rejection.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you did get dissed by your entire first

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<v Speaker 1>grade classroom, you can probably still relate to Jah's lack

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<v Speaker 1>of confidence. It's not just entrepreneurs who need to make

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<v Speaker 1>themselves vulnerable to others, whether it's in our careers or

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<v Speaker 1>just in daily life. Many of us have a hard

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<v Speaker 1>time asking for the help we need because, like Jah,

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<v Speaker 1>we fear rejection. We may worry we'll get a big,

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<v Speaker 1>fat no from a friend or stranger. Or we may

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<v Speaker 1>just hate the idea of bothering busy people. We may

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<v Speaker 1>fear being seen as pushy or annoying or needy. These

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<v Speaker 1>fears may feel very real, but do they match the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of reaching out to the people around us when

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<v Speaker 1>we need help. By not even opening the conversation, are

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<v Speaker 1>we actually making ourselves and other people less happy than

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<v Speaker 1>we could be. Our minds are constantly telling us what

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<v Speaker 1>to do to be happy. But what if our minds

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<v Speaker 1>are wrong? What if our minds are lying to us,

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<v Speaker 1>leading us away from what will really make us happy.

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<v Speaker 1>The good news is that understanding the science of the

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<v Speaker 1>mind can boin us all back in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Listening to the Happiness Lab with doctor Laurie Santos, I was.

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<v Speaker 4>A former college football player, so asking for helps not

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<v Speaker 4>the kind of thing I typically did very much.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Social Connection expert and Happiness Lab regular Nick

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<v Speaker 1>Eppley lake Shaw. Nick grew up with a reluctance to

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<v Speaker 1>ask for help.

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<v Speaker 4>It's pretty strong and capable, and I could do stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>and that always made me fairly reluctant to ask others

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<v Speaker 4>for help to do almost anything.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've heard Nick on other episodes of this season,

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<v Speaker 1>you may recall that he studies the way our minds

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<v Speaker 1>mess up when it comes to happier social connection. Recently,

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<v Speaker 1>his lab has turned to the fears that he and

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<v Speaker 1>so many of us have when it comes to asking

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<v Speaker 1>for help.

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<v Speaker 4>And our research and that and many others in the

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<v Speaker 4>field has been making it crystal clear that many of

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<v Speaker 4>those fears are miscalibrated, that as they're exaggerated, we tend

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<v Speaker 4>to underestimate how positively these interactions are going to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick's work begins from a premise that many researchers aru

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<v Speaker 1>is a universal psychological truth. We enjoy doing nice stuff

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<v Speaker 1>for other people.

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<v Speaker 4>I think feeling happy to have helped is a very

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<v Speaker 4>real thing. You go do something kind for somebody else,

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<v Speaker 4>you'll feel pretty darn good.

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<v Speaker 1>We usually notice how good it feels to help others

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<v Speaker 1>when we're in the role of the helper. We forget

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<v Speaker 1>that the same maxim holds for the people we ask

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<v Speaker 1>to help us.

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<v Speaker 4>Notice that asking for help from somebody else gives an

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to do something kind for you, and by not

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<v Speaker 4>asking for help, you are really missing out on an

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to make somebody else feel good.

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<v Speaker 1>We sometimes worry that our requests will be a burden

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<v Speaker 1>on the person we approach, that they'll feel pressured to

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<v Speaker 1>say yes, but Nick's research shows that that usually isn't

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<v Speaker 1>the case, Especially when we have a relatively simple request,

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<v Speaker 1>Calling upon another person for assistance can be a gift

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<v Speaker 1>not just to ourselves but also to the person we ask.

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<v Speaker 5>So in some ways, it seems almost selfish to not

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<v Speaker 5>ask other folks for help when they could give it

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<v Speaker 5>to you easily, because you're denying or an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 5>do something kind for you.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is we usually don't see it that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and when we fail to ask for help, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>get to witness the happiness boost it gives us or

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<v Speaker 1>the person giving us assistance, and so we continue to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that seeking help is an imposition rather than a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful way to bond and make everyone happier.

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<v Speaker 4>We only get feedback from the things we choose to do,

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<v Speaker 4>and we don't get feedback from the things we choose

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<v Speaker 4>to avoid, and in an imperfect world like that, we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to get a systematically distorted view of how these

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<v Speaker 4>social interactions are going to go. That naturally confirms our belief.

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<v Speaker 1>To test just how deeply ingrained these false beliefs are,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick designed a simple experiment. He set up a photo

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<v Speaker 1>op at a popular spot on campus. But the camera

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<v Speaker 1>he put out there wasn't a modern smartphone. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a vintage Polaroid instant camera. And that choice was key

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<v Speaker 1>because old school polaroids aren't built to let you take selfies.

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<v Speaker 4>So in the old days, if you wanted somebody to

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<v Speaker 4>take a picture of you as a you got to

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<v Speaker 4>go up and ask.

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<v Speaker 5>Them to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Subjects had to find a stranger to assist them. But

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<v Speaker 1>before they approached anyone, the subjects were asked how annoyed

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<v Speaker 1>they thought the stranger would be by being stopped, and

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<v Speaker 1>how positive their mood would be afterwards. Nick later compared

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<v Speaker 1>these predictions to what the strangers actually said about taking

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<v Speaker 1>the polaroids.

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<v Speaker 4>And we found that people tended to underestimate how positively

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<v Speaker 4>others respond, how willing they would be to help, how

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<v Speaker 4>happy they would feel helping after they actually did. It

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<v Speaker 4>was a more positive experience for the person you asked

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<v Speaker 4>for help than people expected.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick subjects also grossly overestimated how inconvenience the photo takers

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<v Speaker 1>would feel their guesses were six times higher than what

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<v Speaker 1>the helpers themselves later reported six times higher. Our predictions

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<v Speaker 1>of how other people will react to our helping requests

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<v Speaker 1>are way way off.

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<v Speaker 4>They were likely to want to try to help you,

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<v Speaker 4>and given that they were perceiving it as an act

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<v Speaker 4>of kindness, given that you'd ask for it, they'll feel

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<v Speaker 4>good when they actually help you out.

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<v Speaker 1>Results like these prompted Nick to rethink his own resistance

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<v Speaker 1>to asking for help.

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<v Speaker 4>Year in Chicago, sometimes snow's in the winter, but if

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't plow my drive but I was often reluctant

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<v Speaker 4>to have a neighbor come and shovel my driveway. And

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<v Speaker 4>then our work in part made it clear to me

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<v Speaker 4>that the neighbor would probably feel pretty good being able

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<v Speaker 4>to do that for me, And so I now will

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<v Speaker 4>ask him if he could do that if I can't,

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<v Speaker 4>if I can't shovel it, and it's created lots of

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<v Speaker 4>good conversations between us where I get a chance to

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<v Speaker 4>thank him for that he feels good for it, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I ever would have done that.

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<v Speaker 1>Before asking for help to take a quick photo or

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<v Speaker 1>for a friendly neighbor to lend you a hand. Shoveling

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<v Speaker 1>snow are great places to start. But aspiring entrepreneur Jean

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<v Speaker 1>Jong was in a hurry. He wanted to supercharge his

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<v Speaker 1>fight against his crippling fear of rejection, so the approach

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<v Speaker 1>he took was rather extreme. He decided to ask people

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<v Speaker 1>for some pretty fantastic favors.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw this big guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He looked like a security guard of some sort, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was sitting behind a desk. And I said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna ask him. Then I said, just inching toward him,

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<v Speaker 3>I just slowed down. I was like, this is so scary,

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<v Speaker 3>but my heart was calending.

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<v Speaker 2>I was sweating.

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<v Speaker 1>Well hear how all this turned out? When the Happiness

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<v Speaker 1>Lab returns in a moment want to be entrepreneur, Jan

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<v Speaker 1>Jong wanted to beat his fear of rejection, so he

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<v Speaker 1>began where a lot of us do when we're ready

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<v Speaker 1>for a big behavior change. He did a.

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<v Speaker 2>Google search, Google has Yoda.

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<v Speaker 1>After a few clicks, Jean stumbled on a website that

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<v Speaker 1>would change his life forever. Rejection Therapy dot com, a

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<v Speaker 1>site that teaches a practice known as exposure therapy. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say you want to get over your phobia of heights.

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<v Speaker 1>Exposure therapy would tell you to confront that fear by

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<v Speaker 1>visiting locations a little bit above ground level and then

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<v Speaker 1>over time climbing higher and higher, so that, through gradual exposure,

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<v Speaker 1>you get used to heights. Rejection Therapy dot com applies

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<v Speaker 1>that same logic to the fear of asking for help.

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<v Speaker 1>The website suggests things like challenging stranger to a game

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<v Speaker 1>of rock paper scissors or asking for a small discount

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<v Speaker 1>the next time you buy something. The challenges even have

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<v Speaker 1>different levels, so you can start with just a mild

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<v Speaker 1>taste of rejection and gradually build up to going way

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<v Speaker 1>out of your comfort zone. Jew was ready to dive in.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is the best id I've ever heard.

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<v Speaker 1>The site recommended a month long challenge, thirty days of Rejection,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't want.

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<v Speaker 3>To do thirty days because I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to go hardcore. Let me overdose on rejection

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<v Speaker 3>and see what happens. So I did the one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>days of rejection.

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<v Speaker 1>And rather than performing these challenges privately, Jeaque decided he

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<v Speaker 1>needed to film all his interactions and to share them

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<v Speaker 1>with the entire world.

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<v Speaker 3>I know if I do this by myself, I probably

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<v Speaker 3>get a couple of rejections.

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<v Speaker 2>This is quit.

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<v Speaker 3>But if I declare that to the world and I

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<v Speaker 3>will think people will hold me accountable.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can't just quit that easily. So that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I did. All right, This is my first try.

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<v Speaker 1>Day one of John's rejection marathon started pretty spectacularly.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to try to borrow one hundred dollars from

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<v Speaker 3>a stranger.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe picked a security guard sitting by a desk in

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<v Speaker 1>the marble filled lobby of a nice mall.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, do you think I'm borrow a hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 2>from you?

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<v Speaker 1>The security guard looked confused, like he couldn't quite believe

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<v Speaker 1>what he was hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, why, all right? No, okay, sorry, thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Jew didn't wait around to answer the security guard's question.

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<v Speaker 2>I just ran as fast as I could.

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<v Speaker 1>Jaw was downhearted. He assumed the interaction had gone terribly,

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<v Speaker 1>that the guard had badly rejected him, but all that

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<v Speaker 1>changed once he watched the footage.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like this NFL scout looking at the game film,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, analyzing myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Jaw was shocked by what he saw, and not by

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<v Speaker 1>the guard's reaction, but by his own I.

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<v Speaker 2>Looked so scared, and I was like, oh wow, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know he was a security or someone. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>He just sits there. He looks like a security guard.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought he might pull off a gun or just

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<v Speaker 3>yell at me or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Watching the video revealed that Shaw had nothing to be

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<v Speaker 1>scared of. He didn't get the hundred bucks, but the

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<v Speaker 1>guard was nice. He even gave Jaw a window of opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>He asked Jaw why, like, why did he need the

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<v Speaker 1>hundred bucks?

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, I could have said many things. I could have

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<v Speaker 3>negotiated with him. I could have said, if you can

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<v Speaker 3>do a hundred, can do five, you know he can

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<v Speaker 3>do one. I could explained that was overcoming our fair rejection.

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<v Speaker 2>I just ran.

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<v Speaker 3>So I said, Okay, next time, no matter what happens,

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<v Speaker 3>I am going to stay engaged. So I'm not going

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<v Speaker 3>to run.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. I'm not going to run.

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<v Speaker 1>One day two of his one hundred days of rejection,

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<v Speaker 1>Jaw headed to his favorite burger joint, Five Guys Burgers

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<v Speaker 1>and Fries. He purchased a cheeseburger and ate it, and

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<v Speaker 1>then returned to the counter for the big ask.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, burgers it Can I get a burger reveal?

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<v Speaker 1>Could he have a burger refill? That is another cheeseburger

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<v Speaker 1>totally for free?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, I'll like you guys a lot where

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<v Speaker 3>you to have a burger riffing on him.

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<v Speaker 1>The cashier said no, But this time Jell didn't run

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<v Speaker 1>away and.

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<v Speaker 2>I started negotiating. I started to stay calm and actually

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<v Speaker 2>explained myself.

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<v Speaker 3>And when that left, I didn't feel us bad like

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<v Speaker 3>I feel way better than the first day.

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<v Speaker 1>Jah was rejected. Five guys does not offer burger refills,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you ask politely. But the no Jah received

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<v Speaker 1>from the cashier yet again came with more kindness and

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<v Speaker 1>humor than he expected.

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<v Speaker 2>Day two was the success on to day three.

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<v Speaker 1>By day three, Jeall already felt like he was heading

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<v Speaker 1>for a rejection gold medal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm driving to a Krispy Kreme.

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<v Speaker 1>So his next ask took his odd requests to Olympic

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<v Speaker 1>level heights of ridiculousness.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna ask them to make me some specialized donuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Joh one of the folks at Krispy Kream to make

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<v Speaker 1>him a set of five donuts interlocked in the shape

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<v Speaker 1>of the famous Olympic rings.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's no way they're gonna say yes to that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, And I would just come in and make

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<v Speaker 3>a joke and get reject in and hopefully not be

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<v Speaker 3>too scared.

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<v Speaker 2>D Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The employee, Jackie Brawn, got a penant paper and asked

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<v Speaker 1>Joh to help her sketch out the design. She didn't

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<v Speaker 1>look angry or confused. She kind of seemed to relish

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<v Speaker 1>the challenge.

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<v Speaker 3>And fifteen minutes later she brought me out a box

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<v Speaker 3>of donuts that looked like Olympic rings. That is really good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really good. Yeah, man, you'll make me really happy today.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie didn't even charge Jah for the donuts. It's on me,

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<v Speaker 1>she told him with a big beaming smile.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I was walking out at that donut shop,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, Wow, how many yeses have I missed

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<v Speaker 3>my life?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was expecting a no. So that was the

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<v Speaker 2>magic moment for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Pleased with his success, John went home and posted the

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<v Speaker 1>Day three video, but it didn't get the handful of

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<v Speaker 1>use he was expecting. Millions of people watched that donut clip.

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<v Speaker 1>It got so much attention that his Olympic ring donut

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<v Speaker 1>story wound up one daytime television shows.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Krispy krim Stock actually went up that day. God,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like a marketer's dream, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Ask them for donuts that looked like Olympic rings and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, no way, they're gonna say yes.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't say no to me. They were like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>how can I make this?

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<v Speaker 3>And when I left there, I just had tears in

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<v Speaker 3>my eyes because I just couldn't believe.

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<v Speaker 2>This world is much nicer than I thought. It's much

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<v Speaker 2>kinder than I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's donut success was a turning point for him. It

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<v Speaker 1>convinced him that he could successfully ask for just about anything,

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<v Speaker 1>and Shaw really did ask for rather strange things. He

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<v Speaker 1>asked to become a mannequin in a department store, to

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<v Speaker 1>give the safety announcement on an airplane, to slide down

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<v Speaker 1>the pole at a fire station, and defeed a lion

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<v Speaker 1>at the zoo.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, Hold hold on, It's okay, it's right.

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<v Speaker 1>The videos that followed were as hilarious as they were popular,

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<v Speaker 1>like when he asked for a haircut from a dog groomer.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you see me like a German shepherd? Like tabetan

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<v Speaker 2>mastiff or or child chow or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe's video is eventually the attention of a certain psychologist, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, this is fascinating, right, this is an extreme

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<v Speaker 4>version of what I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Psychologist Nick Epley's research had already shown that people are

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<v Speaker 1>more willing to help us out than we think, that

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<v Speaker 1>they react more positively than we expect to simple requests

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<v Speaker 1>like taking a quick polaroid photo. But watching Jav's YouTube videos,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick realized people may also agree to far more complicated requests.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's off the charts what he asked people

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<v Speaker 5>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick carefully analyzed Jav's videos, counting exactly how often his

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<v Speaker 1>pleas for help got rejected, and it.

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<v Speaker 5>Turns out less often than he's accepted.

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<v Speaker 4>That most of the time, a little over fifty percent

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<v Speaker 4>of the time, to these crazy requests, the person does it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick also watched to see the reactions of the strangers

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<v Speaker 1>that Jah approached. Did the donut makers and flight attendants

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<v Speaker 1>and zoo keepers get mad and yell at him and

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<v Speaker 1>tell them to go away? Or were they genuinely trying

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<v Speaker 1>to be kind and accommodating. Nickson was striking In the

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<v Speaker 1>vast majority of interactions, people reacted completely positively. Jaw's extreme

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<v Speaker 1>experiment and rejection therapy is a great example of two

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<v Speaker 1>things that our lying minds often get wrong. First, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't get rebuffed nearly as often as we fear, and second,

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<v Speaker 1>the people we ask for help are usually much happier

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<v Speaker 1>to oblige than we expect. But my guess is that

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<v Speaker 1>hearing Jaw's story didn't exactly prompt you to go out

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<v Speaker 1>and demand weird shaped donuts, or to borrow money from

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<v Speaker 1>strangers on the street, or to head into a lion's

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<v Speaker 1>den at dinner time. So what simple strategies can we

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<v Speaker 1>all employ to be more comfortable in asking for help,

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<v Speaker 1>Things that will allow us and the people around us

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<v Speaker 1>to enjoy the happiness benefits that come from bonding over

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<v Speaker 1>a helping hand. We'll find out when the Happiness Lab returns.

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<v Speaker 1>After this quick.

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<v Speaker 3>Break on dividing my life into BD and AD Before

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<v Speaker 3>donuts and after donuts. It was a watershed moment for

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<v Speaker 3>me because he opened up this whole new.

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<v Speaker 2>World to me.

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<v Speaker 1>A decade after asking a Krispy Kreme employee to build

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<v Speaker 1>him the Olympic Ring up donuts, John now runs the

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<v Speaker 1>very company that inspired him. Rejection therapy dot com. He's

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<v Speaker 1>also an in demand speaker and the author of Rejection Proof,

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<v Speaker 1>How I Beat Fear and became Invincible through one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>days of rejection.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't plan this. I didn't plan this seem to

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<v Speaker 3>go viral, and someday I'll write a book. Some day,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do a blog. You know, someday I will give

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<v Speaker 3>a Ted talk or beyond Laura Sentel's show. I'd never

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<v Speaker 3>planned all that. All I did was like, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>do something.

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<v Speaker 1>And the viral videos joh made are now used by

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<v Speaker 1>clinicians to help patients with social anxiety. They may seem extreme,

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<v Speaker 1>but Jaw says they can still teach us important lessons

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<v Speaker 1>that we can apply in everyday settings. His first takeaway

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<v Speaker 1>is people.

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<v Speaker 3>Are actually much nicer than we think. People are actually

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<v Speaker 3>very open, especially if you awesome wacky stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>A second lesson is that your fears that people will

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<v Speaker 1>angrily reject you or think less of you if you

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<v Speaker 1>ask for assistance are likely to be very, very misplaced.

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<v Speaker 1>Jaw is living proof that you'll hear no far less

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<v Speaker 1>than you expect.

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<v Speaker 3>When I started, I thought I was going to get

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred rejections. You know, maybe like I got some yes,

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<v Speaker 3>as if you get really lucky. But as it turned out,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes just by asking you get it yes.

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<v Speaker 1>But to get to that yes, Jaw says, we also

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<v Speaker 1>need the courage to expose our vulnerabilities and to ignore

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<v Speaker 1>any worries we may have about seeming needy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to bother other people, and you know

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be independent.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And the research backs this up. Psychologists have long

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<v Speaker 1>found evidence for what's known as the beautiful mess effect.

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<v Speaker 1>We assume that people will avoid us if we seem

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<v Speaker 1>needy or dependent on help, but it's actually just the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>People like us better when we show weakness, or express

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<v Speaker 1>emotional vulnerability or seek their help. Being messy makes us

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<v Speaker 1>seem more open and relatable.

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<v Speaker 3>You're really good friends to ask for help, they ask

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<v Speaker 3>for opinion, they ask for help, and they're vulnerable to

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<v Speaker 3>each other. If you give and take, that really build relationships.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, sometimes the fact that you're asking shows that Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm asking you because I need you, and that's really

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<v Speaker 3>increases the bond you have with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>But connecting with potential helpers also requires changing the negative

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<v Speaker 1>mindset the many of us have about soliciting assistance. Your

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<v Speaker 1>tension while asking for help can make the whole interaction

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<v Speaker 1>less comfortable for everyone. It's something that Jah learned early

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<v Speaker 1>in his days of rejection therapy.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was expecting rejection and all my focus is

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<v Speaker 3>how I could deal with that rejection. I them couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>even think the possibility that people will say yes to me.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you don't bring this aggressive energy, you're not

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<v Speaker 3>that tense. People actually relax when they talk to them

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<v Speaker 3>to decrease that tension.

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<v Speaker 1>Jaw advises that you really do need to come to

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<v Speaker 1>terms with the possibility of being rebuffed and to relax

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually the key.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm coming in and if I'm open to rejection,

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<v Speaker 3>then I'm fine. If I give the other person the

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<v Speaker 3>freedom to say no to me, I give myself the

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<v Speaker 3>freedom to ask whatever I want.

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<v Speaker 1>One way to do that, Shaw says is to explicitly

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<v Speaker 1>admit that what you're asking for might not be doable,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it's totally cool if the person can't help you,

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<v Speaker 1>that you know they're not doing it just bite you

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<v Speaker 1>or because they don't like you.

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<v Speaker 3>I say, Okay, I know I'm making a big request here.

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<v Speaker 3>I know this is a little bit weird, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>okay if you can't do it. If I put that

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<v Speaker 3>thing what they're doubting up front, it actually put people

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<v Speaker 3>at ease. He's saying that I can say.

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<v Speaker 2>No to this.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're still feeling guilty about your request, Jaw

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<v Speaker 1>suggests thinking back to how you felt when someone asked

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<v Speaker 1>for help. Would you really be annoyed if the situation

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<v Speaker 1>was reversed. Joe says he even thinks back to cases

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<v Speaker 1>where he felt frustrated when good friends failed to call

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<v Speaker 1>on him when they were in need.

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<v Speaker 3>I had a friend and he spent like almost a

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<v Speaker 3>year looking for a job and he didn't ask for

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<v Speaker 3>any help.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really hard for him, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you could have told me earlier that job. I know

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<v Speaker 2>someone who who was hiring for that job. Why did

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<v Speaker 2>you tell me earlier?

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<v Speaker 1>But Joe has one final strategy that makes seem counterintuitive

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<v Speaker 1>given his own experience. He recommends not going as hardcore

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<v Speaker 1>as he did.

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<v Speaker 3>Go outside of the comfort zone a little bit. Don't

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<v Speaker 3>go like way out. You don't have to come in

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<v Speaker 3>and ask for one hundred dollars like I did.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a big step. It's like an exercise right.

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<v Speaker 3>If you've never lifted weights, you don't want to come

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<v Speaker 3>in and bench press like three hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get crushed.

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<v Speaker 3>But go out of your comfort zone a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>and just test the water, and then gradually expand your

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<v Speaker 3>comfort zone. You can start doing this again and again,

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<v Speaker 3>and every time you do, he becomes so much better

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<v Speaker 3>than before.

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<v Speaker 1>And Joe should know because asking for what he needed

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<v Speaker 1>publicly and fighting his fear of rejection didn't just change

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<v Speaker 1>his life.

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<v Speaker 3>Jackie from Krispy Kreme right that the person said yes

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<v Speaker 3>to me to make Olympic donuts, it changed her life too.

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<v Speaker 1>Jackie Brown also went viral for those Olympic donuts. A

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<v Speaker 1>viewer of Jaw's video even made her a Facebook page

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<v Speaker 1>entitled give Jackie a Krispy Kreme a Raise, and thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of people sign the petition.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, thank you, thank you, I mean very very much.

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<v Speaker 1>She received a personal visit from the CEO of Krispy Kreme,

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<v Speaker 1>and she now stars in training videos that are used

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<v Speaker 1>by the entire corporation.

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<v Speaker 2>She become like a celebrity within her company just all

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<v Speaker 2>because she say yes. Sometimes saying yes is more.

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<v Speaker 1>Fun that saying no, and John thinks we'd all benefit

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<v Speaker 1>from the fun of asking for help more often.

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<v Speaker 2>Rejection therapy has become a movement.

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<v Speaker 3>It just feels my heart because I hope this movement

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<v Speaker 3>can keep going and to help people overcome their fear.

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<v Speaker 1>So many of us are missing out on making new

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<v Speaker 1>social connections or deepening our bonds with existing friends just

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<v Speaker 1>because we don't want to ask for help or favors that.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe because we don't want to appear annoying or vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>or because we fear the humiliation of our pleas being rejected.

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<v Speaker 1>But the science shows that our worries about being pushy

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<v Speaker 1>and needy are unfounded. People are way more happy to

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<v Speaker 1>help than our lying minds think, and our reluctance to

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<v Speaker 1>ask for help once at preventing the people we care

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<v Speaker 1>about from receiving the happiness boost that comes with being kind.

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<v Speaker 1>So why not follow Jah's advice and push your rejection

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<v Speaker 1>comfort zone a bit. You don't need to ask a

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<v Speaker 1>stranger for money or demand specialized donuts, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you give the people in your life opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>to support and care for you. It'll make them and

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<v Speaker 1>you feel much better than you expect. The Happiness Lab

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