1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: my name is Noel. 7 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 3: super producer Bull Mission control decands. Most importantly, you are 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 3: here and that makes this the stuff they don't want 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: you to know now. Fellow conspiracy realists, long time listeners, 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 3: we have been publishing some classic episodes that we hope 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 3: you enjoy. As we have been on the road, we've 13 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: been in a series of well, you know, you get 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 3: in situations. But listener mail is one of our I 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 3: saw that faces. 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 4: We do, we do, we do, we do. 17 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 3: We're being diplomatic. Listener Mail and Strange News there are 18 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 3: two of our favorite things that we want to do 19 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 3: every week, and we have a tremendous amount of correspondence. 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: We read every email we get. Shout out to Tamara 21 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: C who actually took us up on the poetry swap idea. 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 3: You can be part of that if you'd like to 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 3: email us. Shout out to everyone who has called in 24 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 3: and shout out to everyone who's going to join us 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 3: on air in the future. Today, we're going to talk 26 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: to our good friend Lucas regarding some harrowing things, some 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: very black Monday Murder esque concerns about banks overall in 28 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: the West. We're going to get into a temporal tizzy. 29 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: And this one I'm coming in from. I have no 30 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 3: idea what this one's going to be. That's a voicemail 31 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: coming to us courtesy of Flummoxed. And then I was thinking, 32 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 3: before we get into all of that super important crazy stuff. 33 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 3: You guys, we receive an amazing letter from someone calling 34 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 3: themselves balloon Boys, and it just it's nuts. It's nuts, Okay, 35 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: so what do we say. Let's read it and we 36 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: can kind of, you know, mosey through it and stop 37 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: it points because I think we'll all have some stuff 38 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: to weigh in on here. This is revelatory, and honestly 39 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: I am I am surprised that we missed this part. 40 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: So here we go. Balloon Boy writes in to say, 41 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: hey all, I'm here to hopefully add a bit to 42 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: the balloon discussion if any part makes an episode. I 43 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: realized my name is right there but please refer to 44 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 3: me as balloon boy. Let's stop there. What are we 45 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: talking about. What's balloon boy talking about? Just quick recap 46 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: for anybody who missed that conversation. 47 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: We're talking about the balloons that have been shot down 48 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: by the United States government, the well, the allegedly balloons maybe, 49 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: but definitely the one allegedly Chinese spy balloon that was 50 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: initially shot down before all the other random balloons were 51 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 2: shut down. 52 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not too long ago. And Balloomboy continues 53 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: and says, the US scientific program is quite strong. We 54 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: launch a surprising amount around the world at different times 55 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: of year, talking about high altitude balloons, right, the kind 56 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: of things that can leverage global weather patterns right to 57 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 3: just float around the world. Bloom Boy continues, Currently, our 58 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: guys are out of the country as upper level winds 59 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: are pushing east and will continue for another month or 60 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: so and then they'll flip and blow west. We're getting 61 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: We got this correspondence toward the toward the end of April. 62 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 3: Balloon Boy says, it's hard to imagine wins at one 63 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: hundred and thirty thousand feet turn like that, like they 64 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: flip like that, But they do. This is part of 65 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: the issue. The Chinese could only get this balloon over 66 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 3: to us certain times of the year, and as this 67 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: balloon has been floating a while, its altitude had degraded. 68 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: Any attempts at controlling a balloon through propellers or jets 69 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 3: are extremely limiting, as any weight added reduces float altitude. Therefore, 70 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: these balloons are free floating. And I think that's something 71 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 3: we talked about that right, Like, there didn't seem to 72 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: be a recognizable method of propulsion for these balloons last 73 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 3: time we talked about them, right And who what was 74 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: it North Carolina or South Carolina where they were just 75 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: trying to shoot it down? 76 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 2: Nah, I don't know. 77 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 4: Ok. 78 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 3: Well, Also, those folks clearly did not know the range 79 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 3: of their firearms, because no, you're not going to hit it, 80 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 3: so okay, balloon boy says. Next point, standard scientific balloons 81 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: float between one hundred and five to one hundred and 82 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 3: thirty five thousand feet and they're at the size of 83 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 3: ten to sixty million cubic feet, so they're easily seen 84 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 3: from the ground. These balloons are about the size of 85 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: a football stadium and float. They even glow fifteen to 86 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: twenty minutes after sundown due to the curvature of the 87 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 3: earth UFO explanation, I think, right, that's really interesting. 88 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: Right, let's just explain that briefly, Ben. The idea is 89 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 2: that the curvature of the Earth is such that even 90 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 2: when the sun appears to be completely set in the sky, 91 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 2: the angle of that sunlight can still reach up into 92 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: the atmosphere at those heights, so it will illuminate the 93 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: balloon as though it's still bright and shiny while everything 94 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: else appears dark. 95 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, perfectly, And think about it. You know, if you're 96 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 3: not an expert on these things, you're going to see 97 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 3: a UFO. You're gonna ask what is that massive floating 98 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 3: thing in the sky that is clearly not a balloon anyway. 99 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: Balloon Boy continues as for payload, depending on the size 100 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: of balloon, they can carry between one thousand to seventy 101 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: five hundred ish pounds of payload. The payloads that go 102 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: on hours range anywhere from atmospheric weather instruments, telescopes, and 103 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: balloon Boy here says they're looking up I promise nice 104 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 3: to solar radiation detectors to honestly anything the scientists can 105 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: stream up. Here's the kicker Boy says, I tell you 106 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: this as our season is going to start up in 107 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: July and continue through October, and I expect the sightings 108 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: to spike due to this year's events. I realize this 109 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 3: is a bit of a novel, but it's a complex 110 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 3: subject and for the questions, feel free to reach out 111 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 3: kind regards. Balloon boy, there is a season for spy balloons. 112 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? What the it's like? What's that 113 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: seafood rule where you can only eat some kinds of 114 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: seafood during months that end with certain letters? You know 115 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: what I'm talking about? 116 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's well it's oysters, I think specifically like 117 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 5: the certain I think it's I think it's yeah, what 118 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 5: is it? R? 119 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 4: Right? 120 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 6: Right? 121 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're right, months to end with so wait, 122 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: so our high altitude spy balloons like the oysters of 123 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: sky Oysters the sky oys. 124 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 2: Okay, now now let me clarify. Only here is balloon 125 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: boys stating that these are spy balloons or you're like 126 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: like weather balloons, observation balloons. 127 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 3: Well, the I believe what balloon Boy, who is writing 128 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: from expertise here, I believe what balloon Boy is saying 129 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: is that on their end. On the US side, these 130 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: are scientific balloons, right, They're gathering data, they're observational, they're monitoring. 131 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 2: Isn't that what China said they were doing too? So 132 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: maybe the balloon boy is talking about spy bloon. 133 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: Hey, you guys, give it back. It's like that scene 134 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 3: in Oh gosh, what was it the Sandlot? I think 135 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 3: where they throw the ball that the ball goes over 136 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: the fence and they have to go into the scary 137 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: guy's house, right a beast. 138 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 139 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 3: So what's interesting about this and the reason we want 140 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: to highlight this when is that it shows us there 141 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 3: is a predictability, right, there is a pattern. Now of course, 142 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 3: thinking about a high altitude balloon is that it is 143 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: inherently dual use technology. The payload is as bloom Boy said, 144 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: honestly anything the scientists can dream up or is mandated 145 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 3: to put on there. I think it's neat. I want 146 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: to fly our kite out here for this prediction and see. 147 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 3: You know, let's play these games. Let's see whether the 148 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: sightings of foreign made balloons, high altitude balloons start to 149 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 3: ramp up from July to October. We live in interesting times, 150 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: I imagine with that being said. Obviously, like we talked 151 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: about earlier, Obviously, these balloons going up in the sky, 152 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 3: the vast majority are made by very smart, very cool 153 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: dare I say, very optimistic groups of scientists around the 154 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: world who have coordinated their schedule such that they can, 155 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: you know, when they're playing above board. They can share 156 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: all their data together because human beings, even now in 157 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, have not totally figured out global weather patterns, 158 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 3: so these balloons are important. Of course, they lead to 159 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: crazy stories all the time, right all the way back 160 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: to the days of Project Mogul. But I got to 161 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: be honest, this just makes me want to get in 162 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: a blimp in indirigible so bad? 163 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 4: How come? 164 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 3: How come we haven't been in a blimp yet? Can 165 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: we go? 166 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 4: Can you rent a blimp? 167 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 6: That already sounds like a business right there? Doesn't rent 168 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 6: a blimp rental? 169 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 2: I'm in let's go. 170 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 4: Where do you tether them? Though? 171 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 2: You know? 172 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 6: Where do you park? Your blimp was like a limited? 173 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 6: Well you stayed for that. 174 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Okay, yeah, I'll tell you. There was 175 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 2: a story that I can't believe I forgot to bring 176 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 2: up to you. Guys came out of CNN of all 177 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: places Monday May first, about allegedly a satellite image of 178 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: a quote high tech Chinese military blimp, and it was the. 179 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: One rightest story. I got it from the air right. 180 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't I don't see a dang blimp 181 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 2: in that satellite imagery. 182 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 4: I don't know. I see a white doe. 183 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: You see a white like oval. 184 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: It looks great. No, there's like a gray amorphous thing 185 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: that might just be a runway, and it's a bunch 186 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: of tarps. They said that are different colors because it's 187 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: uh what it's being worked on. I don't know whatever. 188 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 2: It was just a really weird story about a blimp 189 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: that got caught at a hangar, and they're like, oh man, 190 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: maybe this is the new tech that we've been missing. 191 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: What I want to go in? An airship so bad, rigile, 192 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: you know you name it? 193 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 6: Reach out to sound so much more dramatic, doesn't it. 194 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: I love it. It's like saying spectacle instead of glasses spectacles, 195 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 3: I guess. So help us get in a blimp, folks, 196 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 3: or an airship of any sort. You know here in 197 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: the US they're not frequented by civilians. Unfortunately, airships powered 198 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: airships like a like a dirigible are relatively rare, I 199 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 3: want to say, but that might not be the case 200 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 3: for much longer. Anyway, folks, the reason we're bringing this up, 201 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 3: big big thanks to balloon Boy is the following through 202 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: the rest of this year, from July to October. Play 203 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 3: along at home with us. We would love your help 204 00:12:54,360 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: in measuring whether there is an actual uptick in high 205 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: altitude balloon sightings here in the US and across the world. Again, 206 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: in all fairness, the vast majority of these are not 207 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: weaponized surveillance. The vast majority are scientific surveillance, gathering meteorological 208 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: data and so on. We're not looking for those where 209 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 3: we're looking for the minority. You know, we're looking for 210 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: the cool ones, right. So we're gonna pausit there. We're 211 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 3: gonna have a word from our sponsor, and we'll be 212 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 3: back with more messages from you, and. 213 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 2: We're back, guys. This isn't the voicemail that I told 214 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: you I'm gonna play. But I mentioned this person in 215 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: our previous strange news and they left a very short message. 216 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 2: I just wanted you guys to hear it before. 217 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 4: We n is this cadet here We go. 218 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 7: I use the them pronouns. You can call me Cadet. 219 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 7: I'm calling from Baltimore and I just wanted to say 220 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 7: that I loved y'all's episode with Illumination Global Unlimited. I'm 221 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 7: just blown away and I want more of that. Please 222 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 7: and thank you. I was gonna say something else, and 223 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 7: I can't remember, of course. Oh Athy. I just want 224 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 7: you guys to know, at the end of every podcast, 225 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 7: when you say say it with me std W, I 226 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 7: t K, I do it every single time. Okay, I 227 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 7: love you. 228 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 6: I would you know what? 229 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: We just got new digs right that. 230 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 5: Our office is here in Atlanta, and I think some 231 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 5: more in person recording might be in our horizons. 232 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 6: The way we can get back to doing the famous chant. 233 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 2: I think we would all love that. Hopefully we can 234 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: thank you Cadet for sending that message to us and 235 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 2: for sending the message afterwards that said, oh, I forgot 236 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: to tell you can use my message. You can use 237 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 2: my message. Thanks for doing that. 238 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 3: No to everybody, Yeah, please do, please do, please please do. 239 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 3: And also remember, whenever whenever you have something you want 240 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: to relate to our fellow listeners, if it needs to 241 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: go in depth, do send an email we read everyone 242 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 3: we get. That's the best place to send us links, 243 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: that's the best place to write everything out. But man, okay, 244 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: Illumination Global Unlimited, Matt, I assume you forwarded that compliment 245 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: to corporate right? 246 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: Well, no, they got it before it hit my inbox. 247 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 4: So god how. 248 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 3: They always do? 249 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 4: They can get us in a blimp? 250 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: I bet you, I g you can get us in 251 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 3: a in a blimp? Yeah? 252 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Here it comes. This message 253 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: comes to us from someone I'm calling flummoxed because I'm 254 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: I can't quite make out what the second F word 255 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: is in here. Afterwards, you guys tell me this is 256 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: from flummixed. 257 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 8: Hey, guys, this is Flummoxed in FRONTNAC. I'm a big fan, 258 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 8: longtime listener. I've always wanted to call in and give 259 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 8: you guys something interesting to talk about. And something definitely 260 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 8: happened with my wife and I these last few days. 261 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 8: We decided to take a trip, an Airbnb getaway to 262 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 8: a hundred year old chalet on the Ottawa Quebec border 263 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 8: in Ontario, and a few strange things happened. Namely, we 264 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 8: somehow didn't realize that we are driving into one of 265 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 8: the worst ice storms in recent history, probably decades. People dead, 266 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 8: debris all over the roads, black ice, fog. It was 267 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 8: just thanks to silent hell and a blizzard mixed together. 268 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 8: But we managed to get there in one piece, and 269 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 8: a few weird things happened, the kind of the thrust 270 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 8: of the what I'm talking about. Whenever I went through 271 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 8: the door to check it out, the power was out, 272 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 8: and I also I later found out that my wristwatch, 273 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 8: my trusty fossil, had died the secon I went through 274 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 8: the door like on the dot. I know because I 275 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 8: just checked the time before I went inside. We later 276 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 8: went to check the time because it was a clock 277 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 8: on the wall, and we confirmed that the time was 278 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 8: exactly right with our phones. But a few minutes later 279 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 8: we realized that either the clock had never worked or 280 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 8: it died the second we checked it because it was 281 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 8: not tracking the time. It was just the perfect time 282 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 8: to check it. And then, to top it all off, 283 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 8: this temporal tizzy, we get home and the battery operated 284 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 8: clock on our wall has died at the exact same 285 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 8: time that the clock in the chalet had died. It 286 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 8: was just I don't understand it. It's all very creepy. 287 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 8: Of course it ought to be coincidental, but like that's 288 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 8: a bit much, isn't it. How does that happen? Also, 289 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 8: this place was definitely haunted. At one point I was 290 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 8: sneaking around in my underwear with a frying pan trying 291 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,479 Speaker 8: to find an intruder. We definitely heard, but definitely was 292 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 8: not there. So I don't know what do you guys 293 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 8: think of this sort of the alignment of time falling 294 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 8: in or out of place? I don't know, do you 295 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 8: have any stories like that? It's I don't know what 296 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 8: to make of it anyway, cheers guys the show. 297 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 5: So, yeah, it's it's it's a municipality in Quebec. Yeah, 298 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 5: it is a yeahl Granite Regional County municipality. 299 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 3: And the temporal slip at first you have my attentions, 300 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: now you have my interests or how. 301 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 4: Did that quote? 302 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: Though? No, I don't think that's the right one. I 303 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: don't think that's the right one. But yes, this is 304 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: something that's super common, right, Matt, people have lost time 305 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 3: we did. I want to shout out again. I know 306 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 3: I'm a broken record here, but again, our fantastic exploration 307 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 3: in the by camera mind with our good friend or 308 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: writer or died Joe McCormick from Stuff to Blow Your Mind. 309 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: There's a moment in there in the very beginning where 310 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 3: in Joe walks us through through a thought experiment about 311 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 3: driving right and how driving becomes a kind of self hypnosis, 312 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: which is absolutely true, and it's it's kind of distressing 313 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: sometimes when we think through routine activities that we conduct 314 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 3: and how our brains sometimes just decide this doesn't need 315 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 3: to be on the books. We don't need receipts for 316 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 3: this one, right dude. 317 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 2: If you want to go super deep in that, go 318 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: listen to the first season of Strange Arrivals. That's a 319 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: whole other podcast you can search for right now. They 320 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: go into the Betty and Barney Hills story and which 321 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: really centers around some lost time and then exploring in 322 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: various attempts getting back to that time that was lost 323 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: and figuring out figuring out what that happened. Really weird stuff. 324 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: What's the most time you've ever lost? 325 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 4: Have you? 326 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: Have you, guys, ever had a slip a wrinkle in time? 327 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 4: Good book, bad movie? No, not not like that. 328 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 2: No, okay for me, it's when I have fevers. So 329 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: if I if my body is ever at a point 330 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 2: where it reaches above one hundred and one degrees fahrenheit, 331 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 2: then I will lose time, but it's usually just me 332 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: falling asleep at unintended times. 333 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I was gonna say, we definitely got an 334 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 5: email in the past from a listener who had about 335 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 5: of lost time while driving in the car and like 336 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 5: they looked up at the clock and like like there 337 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 5: was a gap and it was I can't remember the 338 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 5: exact details, but they I think they associated with seeing 339 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 5: an unusual visual phenomenon as well. 340 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: You might have been sleeping accidentally who it was as that's. 341 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 5: Sort of what we that is sort of what we 342 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 5: where we landed, I believe in that conversation, because yeah, 343 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 5: the hypnosis, just highway hypnosis. 344 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 4: It can, especially at night. 345 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 5: When you're already a little bit on the edge of sleepiness, 346 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 5: it can lull you into that and then you kind 347 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 5: of pop out of it and you're like, whoa. 348 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 4: It really is kind of very jarring feeling. 349 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: But Flummox is talking about something very different here. Yeah, yes, 350 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: we are smashing time weirdness with potential haunting, right, which 351 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 2: is well, I'm really digging this because really, we're talking 352 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 2: about tim portals. Huh huh, huh. 353 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 3: I love a portmanteau. You're also playing with time whenever 354 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 3: you create a portmanteau, right, we're crunching the time together. Yeah, 355 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 3: you're absolutely correct, dude. I cannot agree more the idea 356 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: that there may have been not self hypnosis but some 357 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 3: sort of quardy and folding right right on one second 358 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 3: to the next. It's it's tricky because it also it 359 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 3: also brings up so many questions like flummox. We have 360 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: to ask you things about, for instance, the prevalence or 361 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 3: lack of prevalence of deja vu experiences. We have to 362 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 3: ask what other psychological variables may have come into play. 363 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 3: And honestly, as weird as it sounds, man, I kind 364 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: of want to know your HVAC situation because of infrasound. 365 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: Oh at the current house or at the chalet? At 366 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 2: the chalet? Yeah, okay, yes, I know that's interesting, that 367 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: that's interesting, But the power was out right, So let's 368 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 2: recap really fast, one hundred year old chalet that they 369 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: enter during a massive ice storm. Okay, so energy, the 370 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 2: exterior energy is already intense, right, the way you feel 371 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: as a human moving through all of that energy and 372 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: through all of that chaos. It's creating feelings already of 373 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: maybe some dread, a little anxiety, stuff like that. 374 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 3: Sure you're getting primed, you're. 375 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: Getting primed, for sure, but there's also real physical energy 376 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 2: out there. Right, You're entering into this old place, and 377 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 2: the moment you enter, you look down in your wristwatch stops. Now, look, 378 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 2: just come on, let's just I don't believe it necessarily, 379 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: but let's just say in walking through that threshold, you're 380 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: entering a time bubble of some sort, right, because of 381 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 2: whatever factors are occurring externally, because of the day, because 382 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: of the exact time, there's some kind of confluence, as 383 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 2: you said, folding of time together. You're actually entering in 384 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 2: to a point when that llet was occupied at that 385 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 2: exact same time years and years and years ago, right, 386 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: and maybe it happened for them at that exact same 387 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 2: time too. 388 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 4: Right. 389 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 6: Fancy cabin, Like, who are you talking here? 390 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: You know, that's a great question. I would call it 391 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: a cabin of some sort. 392 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 5: I always associate it with skiing, you know, like a 393 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,479 Speaker 5: Swiss ski chalet. 394 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 3: You know you have to yeah, you gotta be careful 395 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 3: with those terms, you know, because the robber barons of 396 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: old in the US certainly had places they called cottages 397 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 3: up in New England, but they would not fit the 398 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 3: average person's definition of a cottage. The idea of stopping 399 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: time too, it reminds me of the old the old 400 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 3: story about the two school teachers who are visiting France 401 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: and they feel that they have slipped back in time. 402 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 3: Sometimes this is called fali adu. But I don't what 403 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 3: we're describing here. Flummix does not sound like you experienced 404 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: something hallucinatory, you know. It sounds like you're rationally introducing 405 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: us to the variables or talking through what you know 406 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: to be the facts. You know, this doesn't look this 407 00:24:55,920 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 3: happens the way more people than one might assume, you know. 408 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 3: Like Also, also one of the questions to ask is 409 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: when is the last time you checked your watch before 410 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 3: you walked in? 411 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 4: Right? 412 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 3: Like, do we know exactly did you watch the watch? Stop? 413 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 3: Who watches the wristwatch? Whatever? But the also adding to okay, 414 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 3: let's the HVAC situation is interesting, But then we would 415 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 3: have to know if the power is out. The only 416 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 3: way that infrasound would have been influencing. This is if 417 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 3: there were a separate generator, right, like diesel powered or 418 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 3: battery powered or something. Doesn't sound like that's the case. 419 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 3: But Matt flub mixed, Noel Michigan control everybody, all of 420 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 3: us in sa intern Steve, here's a question ice storm, 421 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 3: old place, old structure, you know what I mean? The 422 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: just the physical force can create the whispers, right and 423 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 3: create the sense of a presence and maybe create that 424 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: sweet spot of sound. 425 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 5: I don't know, remember have you read pet Cemetery, Ben, 426 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 5: I've recently been going through, actually first time ever subscribed 427 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 5: to a Patreon for a Stephen King podcast called Just 428 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 5: King Things, Oh Talk. 429 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 4: It's freaking great if you're into that. 430 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 5: They're going through every single one of King's books in 431 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 5: publication order. And there's a line when Judd Crandall takes 432 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 5: Lewis Creed to the pet Cemetery for the first time 433 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 5: and he says, you know, if you if you hear 434 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 5: some of this sounds like whispers or laughter, it's just 435 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 5: the loons. I bet you they got some loons over 436 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 5: there in Canada too, right, don't they have loonies like 437 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 5: like bills that are that have loons on them that 438 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 5: are called that. 439 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 4: I'm just saying, I'm not. 440 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 5: I just it just made me think of that, the 441 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 5: idea of mistaking certain things for certain sounds, and you know, 442 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 5: being in some way mystical or whatever. 443 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 4: And the loons are very eerie sounding. Shriek. 444 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure, guys. I want to get back 445 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: just quickly to wristwatch stops. You're in the chalet. It 446 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: feels like it's haunted. It's weird. You notice the wall clock. 447 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: Oh wait, the wall clock is actually working because according 448 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: to my iPhone, it's the correct time. Oh wait, no, 449 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: it wasn't the correct time. We just looked at it 450 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 2: at the broken time. Somehow, we get home from the 451 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 2: chalet and the wall clock in our house is stopped 452 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 2: at the exact same time that the wall clock at 453 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: the chalet was stopped. Guys, that's why I said, some 454 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 2: kind of tem portal or you know, it's if you 455 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 2: enter that If you enter the chalet and time is 456 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: messed up, that's one thing, because it's the chalet, it's 457 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,959 Speaker 2: a bubble there. But what if it's something with the 458 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 2: ice storm itself. As that energy moved through it caused 459 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: something to occur or I don't know if it could 460 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: be bigger, right, could be the storm related ice storm, 461 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: you storm, we all freeze in a time storm, is 462 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. So you're on fire today. 463 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 3: That fire, I'm digging it. 464 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:03,719 Speaker 4: I don't know. 465 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 2: It's weird stuff. I want to hear more from anybody 466 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 2: out there who's experienced something like this. Please let us know. 467 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: We'll tell you how to contact us at the end, 468 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 2: But for right now, we're going to take a break. Here, 469 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: a word from our sponsor, and we'll be right back 470 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 2: with more listener mail. 471 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 5: And we're back with one last piece of correspondence from you. 472 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 5: In this case, we're talking to you, Lucas very quick email, 473 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 5: posing two serious issues we need answers to. Lucas writes, 474 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 5: bank failures and the debt ceiling? What do we do 475 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 5: if more banks fail? What can we do if the 476 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 5: politicians don't figure out. 477 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 4: The debt situation? 478 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 5: I think this is something that's been top of mind 479 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 5: for all of us with the recent bank failures, you know, 480 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 5: specifically surrounding Silicon Valley type investments, you know, tech startup investments, 481 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 5: venture capital firms, and all of that was Silicon Valley bank. 482 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 5: And there was another one. The name is escaping me now. 483 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 5: But we also recently had a failure of another regional 484 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 5: bank called First Republic Bank. And this is a big 485 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 5: deal because I believe this is the second largest bank 486 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 5: failure in the history of this country. Their stock essentially 487 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 5: went down to zero. JP Morgan swept in and bought 488 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 5: them up, you know, propped up the deposits essentially, you know, 489 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 5: I believe invested like several billions of dollars or you know, 490 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 5: basically replaced some of the deposits that were you know, 491 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 5: removed when there was this run on the bank for 492 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 5: some of the very reasons that we're talking about, and 493 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 5: that is where a banking crisis comes from. 494 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 6: It's the actions of people, you know. 495 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 5: I mean, there's instability, there's problems with the market, the 496 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 5: there is a lack of trust, a lack of confidence 497 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 5: in the banking system, which causes an absolute kind of 498 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 5: situation of pandemonium where you start hearing tell that people 499 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 5: are pulling out their money, and then you go and 500 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 5: do the same thing, and then all of a sudden, 501 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,959 Speaker 5: the banks don't have enough money to cover you know, 502 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 5: what they should be able to cover. And I want 503 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 5: to just read a quote from an AP article by 504 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 5: Ken Sweet. He does a really good job of laying 505 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 5: out the complexities of, you know, where a banking crisis 506 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 5: really comes from. 507 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 4: But I thought a quote from. 508 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 5: A banking expert by the name of Chris Caulfield with 509 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 5: West Monroe who's working with a lot of regional banks. 510 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 5: And let's make no mistake, we're talking at this point 511 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 5: specifically about regional banks, and he had this to say, 512 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 5: The underlying issue, particularly at these banks is their asset 513 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 5: and deposit mix isn't sustainable. 514 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 6: Deposits keep running out the door or banks are having 515 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 6: to pay hefty prices for them. 516 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 5: So basically they you know, what they have invested in 517 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 5: is is is not in line with the you know, 518 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 5: the money they that the others have, you know, in 519 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 5: the bank. So if there's a run on the bank 520 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 5: and everyone takes their money and runs, if they don't 521 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 5: have enough actual investments in other interests, you know, whether 522 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 5: it be property or what have you in their portfolio, 523 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 5: then they're screwed. 524 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's massively troubling. And Lucas sends us some 525 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 3: great correspondence all the time, so thank you man. This 526 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: is a conversation that occurs in multiple versions in a 527 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: lot of backrooms right now, probably as you're listening to 528 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: this nol One thing that's really interesting. You pointed out 529 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 3: First Republic became the second biggest bank failure on the 530 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 3: heels of the SVB collapse, which was that was going 531 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 3: to be the second biggest bank failure, right, Yeah, so 532 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 3: that was just not too long ago. I think we're 533 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: on the road in Texas, California or somewhere, and we 534 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 3: were we got some news about this. The question that 535 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: everybody has on their mind really is similar to your 536 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 3: question about diversification. So First Republic committed the same kind 537 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 3: of icarous sin that the SVB committed, which is their clients, 538 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 3: their customers were often well over the federally insured what's 539 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: that limited two hundred and fifty thousand dollars us. They 540 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 3: were well over the FDIC insurance limit, and they weren't 541 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 3: to your point, they weren't diversified. And First Republic also 542 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 3: doesn't seem as though it distributed its eggs in multiple baskets, 543 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 3: you know, like it's it's scary to think about because 544 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 3: so much of investment is sort of weaponized psychology, right, 545 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 3: It's confidences them only works so long as everyone agrees 546 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 3: it works. Like the painted lines on pavement on the interstate. 547 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: It's weird to think about you, guys. I sorry, I 548 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: don't mean to jump in, ben Well, just speaking on 549 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 2: that limit, the FDIC limit for insured money deposits and 550 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,239 Speaker 2: accounts right of two hundred and fifty thousand. So if 551 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 2: you're an individual like any of us or you listening, 552 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 2: you probably won't ever have to worry about your money 553 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: sitting in a bank if FDIC is still in place 554 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 2: and it still has enough money in those giant accounts 555 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: to help people out if there's a massive run on 556 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: major banks and major banks fail. If that holds up, 557 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: then we're good to go. If you have way more 558 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: money than that, then obviously you got to move that 559 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: money around to separate banking institutions so you never go 560 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: over that limit. Right, That's one thing you could do. 561 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 2: I was reading just today actually this morning, about making 562 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 2: sure just what you said, Noel, move your money into 563 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 2: separate investment accounts if you go over that two hundred 564 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 2: and fifty k limit. The weird thing is when you 565 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 2: get into companies, right, Because corporations, companies have operating costs 566 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 2: that are in the millions or hundreds of millions, or 567 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: even up to a billion dollars. You know, I don't 568 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 2: know how many companies have billion dollar operating budgets, but 569 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,479 Speaker 2: some of them may, some of the massive ones. That's 570 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 2: when it's weird because what banking institutions do you hold 571 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 2: all that money in to actually pay out people on 572 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: an ongoing basis? How much money do you need in 573 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: a single account or dozen accounts in order to get 574 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 2: business done? And when stuff goes down with that major 575 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 2: banking institution, what do you do as a corporation to 576 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: make sure your money is safe? I think yeah, And 577 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: they're like, hey, well as far go to I give America, 578 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,840 Speaker 2: I go, hey, here's thirty billion dollars, right, HOPUS helps? 579 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:56,720 Speaker 4: What up? JP? 580 00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 5: And you guys, I mean, like, you know, this is 581 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,239 Speaker 5: the crisis that we're seeing is it seems to be 582 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 5: isolated to these smaller and medium sized regional banks. And 583 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 5: to your point, Matt, you know, with FDIC insurance two 584 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,919 Speaker 5: hund fifty thousand dollars, you know that's that's a respectable 585 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 5: amount of money to have in the bank. Sure it 586 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 5: doesn't make you like mega rich though, So what are 587 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 5: the mega rich doing Are they pulling their money out? 588 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,360 Speaker 5: Are they putting it in like off seas. 589 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 6: Over Panama, dirigibles, Okay, they're putting all airships or maybe 590 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 6: a mattress firm. 591 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, Swiss moving to New Zealand. You know, maybe maybe 592 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 3: po boxes in the right in the right countries. Like 593 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 3: the more money you have, the easier it is to 594 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 3: accrue money, uh, and the easier it is to protect money. Right, Like, 595 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 3: there's there's definitely a feedback loop there in terms of 596 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 3: what those individuals might do. I pause it to you 597 00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 3: guys that at the at the tippity top, we need 598 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 3: to stop thinking about these people as people in this function. 599 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 3: You need to think of them more as perpetual institutions. 600 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 5: Right countries, you know what I mean, none to themselves, 601 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 5: because if they made a move like that, or if 602 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 5: there was a run on the bank from the super 603 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 5: rich like that, and that could really cause a serious 604 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 5: domino effect that could potentially crash larger banks. 605 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 4: Right. 606 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 3: And the more dangerous thing here is, Look, I know 607 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 3: this is going to ruffle some feathers, but what folks 608 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 3: need to understand, everybody needs to openly admit, is that 609 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 3: at the top of the financial hierarchy, right, the so 610 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 3: called point zero one or point zero zero one percenters 611 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 3: or whatever whatever you want to call them. Those folks 612 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 3: have some pretty communistic views in some ways. They definitely 613 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 3: want to own the means of production, if you get 614 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So, how when you talk about when 615 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 3: an average person just you know, talks about two hundred 616 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars, you don't own the presses that 617 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 3: create that money, right, you don't get to call the 618 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 3: FED and talk turkey about interest rates. These people can 619 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 3: touch those institutions, they can influence it. I'm just saying, like, 620 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 3: why is there Why is bankruptcy absolutely terrible and an 621 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 3: existential threat for the average person, But for a billionaire, Yeah, 622 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 3: for a billionaire, it's like, oh, I had an interesting Thursday, 623 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like this, I just I 624 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 3: think the game is rigged, man. I think it's weird 625 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 3: that these I think it's weird that the cooperative confidence 626 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 3: in these institutions has given them so much power. But also, 627 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 3: Noel Matt, I don't I don't know about you guys. 628 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 3: I don't know what a more feasible coaches. I don't 629 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 3: know what the alternative is. And also it's a house 630 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 3: of cards, though if one collapses like it's, you've got 631 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 3: to cauterize the wound or else the rest of it 632 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 3: can go to It's true, tell me good news. 633 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 2: Do what uh, friend of the show David Carr Weber 634 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 2: Chappelle does, Just buy up most of the land in 635 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 2: your small town in Ohio if you're if you're a 636 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 2: dirigible having or potentially having person, just buy up the 637 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 2: land because if you if you've paid for that land 638 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 2: and you've got the deeds, then you've got that money 639 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 2: and no bank is going to take it from you. 640 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 4: I don't know. 641 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 2: That's pretty smart people are I guess some people are 642 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 2: upset with him for doing this, but smart move. 643 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 3: Who's upset? 644 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 2: Yellow? What is the name of that town? Oh, I'm sorry, 645 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: I don't know the name. It's it's Ohio Yellow Springs. 646 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, you know, I guess we should say that 647 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 3: dirigibles jokes aside, might not be the app slew best 648 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 3: place to put your money. But one of the biggest 649 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,719 Speaker 3: questions that I think Lucas is getting at here, no 650 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 3: is the idea of which institution is to be trusted? 651 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 3: You know, like like during the pandemic uh and several 652 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,240 Speaker 3: years before, a lot of very well to do people 653 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 3: were buy land in New Zealand because New Zealand is 654 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 3: a top notch place to be when the world burns down. 655 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 3: But but where can people like, even if you don't 656 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 3: agree with money, with the concept of money, which is 657 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 3: a religion, you have to participate in it, right, we 658 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 3: have to. We have to live in this church to 659 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:47,959 Speaker 3: some degree to survive. So where could people safely put 660 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 3: their assets if they can't use the riguals? 661 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna put out mattresses again, just 662 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 5: you know, the old trustee. Perhaps the safe of some 663 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 5: sort might be a little more dependable. 664 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 2: But you know, ammunition and MREs. 665 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 4: It's all freaky stuff, y'all. 666 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 5: I think you know we're as we're discussing this, I 667 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 5: think we were all kind of frantically googling stuff relating 668 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 5: to maybe our own finances and stuff. 669 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 4: I mean, what can you do? 670 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 5: Is there anything that the average person can do to 671 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,320 Speaker 5: protect themselves from this kind of stuff? 672 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,359 Speaker 2: Yes, slowly whenever you can take out twenty dollars from 673 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 2: your bank account when you saved up. It's not easy 674 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,800 Speaker 2: but do it. Take out twenty dollars, Take that twenty dollars, 675 00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 2: hide it somewhere, and then make a stack. Once you 676 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 2: have a stack, turn that into something seriously useful that 677 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 2: can help you in the future. 678 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 3: Whatever it is, a tangible asset of some sort, right, 679 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 3: because remember the coupon system works very well for some people, 680 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 3: but you cannot actually eat those coupons. So the big 681 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 3: move is to, i mean a reasonable non paranoid move 682 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 3: is to every time you make a purchase, if you're 683 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 3: at a place that offers you cash back without a fee, 684 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 3: do what Matt said, take the you know, like a 685 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 3: small can if you can, if it's possible, and you know, 686 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 3: stack your ducats and then start thinking in terms of 687 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 3: the life that you would live if you were the 688 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 3: only person around with no support system. 689 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 2: Start there's no power maybe and water is not potable 690 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 2: out of the time. 691 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, life straws can't stay upside Oh we're 692 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 3: going too far. 693 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,520 Speaker 5: And last thing, guys, you know, as as a as 694 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 5: a homeowner, you know what happens if there's a banking collapse, 695 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 5: and then are they going to come for your homes? 696 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 5: You know what happens to the secure, you know, like 697 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 5: to the bank that maybe holds your mortgage, you know, 698 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 5: like a Wells Fargo or a you know, for example, 699 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 5: Raymond James or whatever it might be. 700 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 3: Well, Raymond, everything's fine. 701 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 4: What about James? 702 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 2: Did you guys know that I have hung out with 703 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 2: never mind, I have some connections to those actual human 704 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,880 Speaker 2: beings and Haank Harris the third club, certain. 705 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 5: Club in the country, I hear, yeah, no, But in 706 00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 5: all seriousness, I mean, like, you know, a big one 707 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,799 Speaker 5: of the largest expenses for any human being is either 708 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 5: a rent or a mortgage. So if there were some 709 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 5: like you know, just global banking, like fight club level 710 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 5: banking collapse, what happens then? Are they going to come 711 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 5: and try to cash in their assets, you know, being 712 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,440 Speaker 5: the remainder of whatever you owe by taking your home? 713 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 5: Like how does that work? You know, if you can 714 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 5: no longer afford to pay because your money has evaporated 715 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 5: along with everyone else's money. 716 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,560 Speaker 3: It depends on the amount of people. Honestly, it's a 717 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 3: numbers game. If if here's the thing, if a hundred 718 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,760 Speaker 3: people default on their mortgage, right, if one hundred people 719 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 3: get their home for closed, then the United States says 720 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,759 Speaker 3: that's their problem. If one hundred million people at the 721 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,840 Speaker 3: same time get their homes foreclosed, then now it's the 722 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 3: US's problem. So it's a scale, right, it's a cost 723 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 3: benefit analysis. It is quite Machabelian, it's quite brutal, it's 724 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 3: quite cold, and as an individual, we must remember to 725 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 3: focus on the things that we ourselves can directly control. Yes, 726 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 3: that's the power you have. So like in the situation 727 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,759 Speaker 3: talking about the homeowner doesn't mess up at all, right, 728 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 3: the bank messes up, or maybe there's some ill wind abroad, 729 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 3: right even to the point of like weaponized like financial warfare, 730 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 3: which is definitely happening, right, that's what sanctions are all about. 731 00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 3: In that case, there usually is going to be actually, 732 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 3: post two thousand and eight, there's usually going to be 733 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,439 Speaker 3: some kind of legal redress that you can make and say, hey, 734 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 3: it's not me, it's this bank. I did the right thing. 735 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 3: And that's where you'll have something like a JP Morgan 736 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 3: or other large financial entities scoop in and say, don't worry, 737 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 3: everything's fine, keep driving between the lines and just keep 738 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 3: paying your mortgage on time, and we'll take care of 739 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 3: all the stuff backstage. But the scary point about this 740 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 3: is that that only works up to a certain threshold. 741 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 3: So if we're talking about the threshold where the whole, 742 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,760 Speaker 3: where the whole casino closes, that's a very different story. 743 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 4: I don't know. 744 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,359 Speaker 3: I don't want to get to apocalyptic. You know, it's 745 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 3: a nice day outside. We're heading into the weekend. 746 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 5: Indeed, so maybe put a pin in this one for 747 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:57,240 Speaker 5: today and stop doom scrolling because. 748 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,920 Speaker 3: We were just we were like doom scrolling three heads. 749 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,359 Speaker 3: I'm watching our faces as we're listening to each other 750 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 3: about this, and I think we're all trying, like you said, no, 751 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 3: we're all trying to frantically figure out what this solution 752 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 3: would be in the worst case scenario. We want to 753 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 3: hear your advice. We want to hear your ideas, folks. 754 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,359 Speaker 3: Thanks to Lucas, thanks to Cadet, thanks to Flummix, thanks 755 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 3: to balloon Boy, thanks to everybody who has taken the 756 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 3: time to join the show and be a part of 757 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,879 Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. If you want 758 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 3: to take a page out of their book, we have 759 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 3: tons of ways to contact us, as long as the 760 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,160 Speaker 3: lights are on before we get black bagged. You can 761 00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,200 Speaker 3: find us online. 762 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,839 Speaker 5: Boy, can you ever we're conspiracy stuff on Twitter, YouTube 763 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,919 Speaker 5: and Facebook where we have our Facebook group. Here's where 764 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,480 Speaker 5: it gets crazy getting on the conversation there in real time. 765 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,080 Speaker 5: We are a conspiracy stuff show. However, on Instagram and TikTok. 766 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 2: I hope everybody has seen that sperm donor video that 767 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:03,160 Speaker 2: we made. Yeah boy, so good guys, it's very well exeqs. 768 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 5: Our amazing cinematographer really knocked out of the park and 769 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 5: that was a full collaboration with the four of us. 770 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 4: Super super fun to do. We hope you guys are 771 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 4: enjoying that content. 772 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,760 Speaker 2: And the next one spoiler if it hasn't come out yet, 773 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 2: this is a little taste. It has something to do 774 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:24,799 Speaker 2: with bad Boys. Bad Boy, It's so funny. I just 775 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 2: watched it again. It was so freaking funny. Okay again, 776 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 2: follow us, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, all the places making some 777 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 2: in my opinion, hilarious stuff online. 778 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 3: And if you don't play the dopamine casino, if you're 779 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,720 Speaker 3: a little more old school you like a quiet storm, 780 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,480 Speaker 3: you can always give us a call directly, just like 781 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 3: Flummox did. The number is see it with us todet 782 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,840 Speaker 3: one eight three three, std WYTK you'll hear a voice, 783 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 3: we'll hear a beep like so peep. You'll have three minutes. 784 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 3: They're yours. Go nuts, get weird with it. Give yourself 785 00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 3: that street or nickname you always wanted, tell us what's 786 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 3: on your mind. Let us know if we can use 787 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 3: your name and or message on the air. And most importantly, 788 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,000 Speaker 3: if you have a story to share with our fellow 789 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 3: listeners that takes more than three minutes, has links, has photographs, 790 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,120 Speaker 3: stuff you want us to look at. Matt and Nole 791 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 3: our tremendous video and audio experts. They can give you 792 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:29,040 Speaker 3: a keen eyed ear on things that might need some scrutiny. 793 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 3: The best way to get that to us is through 794 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,239 Speaker 3: a good old fashioned email. Just drop us a line 795 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 3: where we. 796 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 2: Are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. Stuff they don't want 797 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 2: you to know is a production of iHeartRadio. For more 798 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 2: podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 799 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:05,960 Speaker 2: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.