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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. Hello. It's been well documented that the

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<v Speaker 1>police made many mistakes on the night my Terese disappeared

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<v Speaker 1>and at her crime scene, mistakes that tragically could have

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<v Speaker 1>led to her death and also could have damaged evidence

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that makes it much more difficult or

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<v Speaker 1>even potentially impossible, to find and prosecute her killer. But

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, some people have suggested that certain members

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<v Speaker 1>of law enforcement could have actually been involved in My

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa's death and in a cover up of her killing.

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<v Speaker 1>So to investigate this theory, we have to go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the timeline. In a potential homicide investigation, it standard

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<v Speaker 1>procedure to start with the last people who were known

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<v Speaker 1>to have seen the victim alive, but this logic did

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<v Speaker 1>not seem to apply in My Teresa's case because some

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<v Speaker 1>of the last people who saw her alive were the police.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also good practice in either a homicide investigation or

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<v Speaker 1>a missing person's investigation to track down suraillance footage, and

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<v Speaker 1>we found out that there is suraillance footage that shows

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<v Speaker 1>my Trees in the Lost Hills Sheriff's station on the

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<v Speaker 1>night she disappeared, at least eight hours in all, on

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<v Speaker 1>four different cameras. It's been eleven years since Ronda started

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<v Speaker 1>investigating my Teresa's death, and she is still fighting to

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<v Speaker 1>get access to that tape, right, And are they saying

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<v Speaker 1>so they're saying to you, basically without saying that, they're

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<v Speaker 1>saying no, we're not going to release it, whereas before

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<v Speaker 1>they were saying we don't have the right equipment. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, which is it. This call I had with

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<v Speaker 1>Ronda was on September fifteenth, twenty twenty. She was explaining

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<v Speaker 1>to me that finally the LASD had agreed to release

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<v Speaker 1>the video footage of my tree from the night of

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<v Speaker 1>September sixteenth, two thousand and nine, and the detective who

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<v Speaker 1>she was talking to said that they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>upload the footage onto the LSD website for all the

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<v Speaker 1>world to see, and we'll see Thursday and let me

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<v Speaker 1>know what happens, right, thanks, bye? Uh okay. So apparently

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to give her. She thinks they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>give her the actual VHS tape, which would be great

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<v Speaker 1>because then we can figure out a way to play it.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, she'll let us have it, but I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, great, let's all play it. Figure out

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<v Speaker 1>a way to view the footage, make a copy like

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<v Speaker 1>it seems so crazy, and they still weren't going to

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<v Speaker 1>do it. I started looking into my Teresa's case about

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<v Speaker 1>a year ago. In any case, but especially one with

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<v Speaker 1>so many theories out there about what could have happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I try to investigate sherlock holmstyle. I follow the process

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<v Speaker 1>of elimination, but we can't eliminate a possible theory if

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<v Speaker 1>we can't even get base questions answered, which has been

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most frustrating parts of this case. This

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance video is key. It's one of the only pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of physical evidence out there that could potentially provide clues

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<v Speaker 1>to my Teresa's state of mind, her behavior, and possibly

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to her on the night she disappeared. Two

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<v Speaker 1>days after my call with Ronda, we met with her

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<v Speaker 1>and Ceci at my Teresa's gravesite at Inglewood Cemetery. Remember,

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<v Speaker 1>the detective told Ronda that they would finally release the video,

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<v Speaker 1>which shocked her because she spent years fighting to get

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<v Speaker 1>access to that video and now the LASD was just

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<v Speaker 1>going to put it on their website. That's when she

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<v Speaker 1>told me they were going to put it on the

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<v Speaker 1>actual actual website of the sheriff's apartment, which whatever so

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<v Speaker 1>did not sound Yeah. So, so I don't know when that.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't tell me when that was going to happen, because,

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<v Speaker 1>like I think, the video had to be sent down

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<v Speaker 1>to their tech people to get uploaded and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she was really clear about what was going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. So I started thinking about it a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit because, you know, so much of what we learned

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<v Speaker 1>about my trees we learned in the news. So I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm going to have to I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to ask Alex if he would please show some compassion

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<v Speaker 1>and notify the family, you know, her parents before they

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<v Speaker 1>just uploaded this, you know, on the site for the

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<v Speaker 1>world to see. But at the cemetery, she told us

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<v Speaker 1>that once again, the police had changed their minds. She

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<v Speaker 1>talked to the sheriff, Alex Phillanueva, and he said the

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<v Speaker 1>police weren't going to make the video public. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>really sure because then he got back to me and

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<v Speaker 1>said that that they were not going to put it

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<v Speaker 1>on the website. That's not what he wants if he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want it on the website, And then he was

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<v Speaker 1>clear that the only reason why he was released he

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<v Speaker 1>was releasing it to me per my request, and that

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<v Speaker 1>her this video does not fall within the policy of transparency.

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<v Speaker 1>When Sheriff Philanueva was elected in twenty eighteen, he made

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<v Speaker 1>a transparency promise. This was crucial for the community following

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<v Speaker 1>the secrecy and corruption of the sheriff Lee Baca and

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<v Speaker 1>Paul tanaka Era. Ronda says that Sheriff Phillanueva told her

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<v Speaker 1>that the transparency promise doesn't apply to my Teresa's case

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<v Speaker 1>because he made the promise after she disappeared. More like

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<v Speaker 1>he's letting me know he's doing me a favor. That's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of how it fell. So I so fine, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if that means. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what's going to happen now because I know what

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<v Speaker 1>the detective told me, and so this morning he just

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<v Speaker 1>told me something different. When I'm what I did ask

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<v Speaker 1>for is I asked for the raw footage, So I

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<v Speaker 1>want the complete digitized version and if that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>If that's what I don't get, I'm going to continue

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<v Speaker 1>to raise hell and there's no other option, so release it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen police hold back information before and sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>have good reasons. They may want to avoid false confessions

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<v Speaker 1>by restricting access to facts that only the killer would know,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, But in a missing person's case, it is

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<v Speaker 1>standard practice to release footage of where the person was

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<v Speaker 1>seen last. It's been two months since they said that

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<v Speaker 1>they would make the video public and we're still waiting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Townsend and this is Helen Gone. The saga

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<v Speaker 1>over the release of a simple videotape goes to the

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<v Speaker 1>heart of this case because it's symptomatic of the battle

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<v Speaker 1>that the family has been fighting with law enforcement for transparency.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Martin was captain of Lost Hill Station at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and for months after my Chase went missing, he told

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<v Speaker 1>her family point blank that there was no video from

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<v Speaker 1>the night that she disappeared. So the way the search

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<v Speaker 1>did not happen was it didn't make any sense to us,

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<v Speaker 1>like why you wouldn't start from the station. So at

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<v Speaker 1>some point and they called the search off, we were like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know where the hell even which direction did

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<v Speaker 1>she go left or right or whatever? When we asked

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<v Speaker 1>for well, let us just see the video so we

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<v Speaker 1>can determine which way to start. Our search, and then

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<v Speaker 1>that's when they started out, well there's no video. It's like, really,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no video, Like that makes no sense. Then in

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<v Speaker 1>January twenty ten, Ronda, my Teresa's mother, Latisse, and documentary

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<v Speaker 1>filmmaker Chip Croft were all at the Lost Hills Sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>station in a meeting with Captain Tom Martin and Lee Baca,

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<v Speaker 1>who was Sheriff of Los Angeles County at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>In that meeting, Sheriff Boka asked Captain Martin point blank,

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<v Speaker 1>is their video footage? And Martin said yes, the footage

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<v Speaker 1>was in his desk just feet away from where they

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<v Speaker 1>were sitting. It had been sitting in his desk drawer

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<v Speaker 1>for months now. Ship and Ronda were shocked. A. Chip

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<v Speaker 1>has also made multiple requests to get the video released.

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<v Speaker 1>He remembers Sheriff Boka asking Captain Martin about the video.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sitting right next to Captain Martin when Sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>Balka asked him that question. You don't have any video

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<v Speaker 1>with my terse in jail, and he turned be read,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean really be read and just see why I

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<v Speaker 1>do have this tape in my desk. And it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out there was the four tracks of rail to take

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<v Speaker 1>feeding from. Four cameras at the Sheriff's department and three

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<v Speaker 1>rooting side, and one was outside on the side of

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<v Speaker 1>the building. And there are two cameras on the front

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<v Speaker 1>of the building which would have explained shown how my

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<v Speaker 1>Teres left the sheriff station. And I still today suspect

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<v Speaker 1>that those two cameras were operating. And what was he

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<v Speaker 1>just said. He accidentally stuck it there, he said. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's been various reasons. One of them was in that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't tell us why. Yeah, So the next day

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<v Speaker 1>I got a call from his chief, Neil Tyler, who

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<v Speaker 1>told me that he had it in his desk because

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<v Speaker 1>he was trying to protect the individual that was also

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<v Speaker 1>on film. Okay, okay, because you could have just that's no,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be a reason not to show it to us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not a reason about the live out its existence.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's that, And that was what they said, And

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<v Speaker 1>they had other limsy excuses about why he he had it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know, but you know, eventually

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<v Speaker 1>he gets promoted. So for my Teresa's family, this marked

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<v Speaker 1>a major turning point in the investigation. I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>that's when their relationship with the police started to turn adversarial,

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<v Speaker 1>and when certain members of My Teresa's family began to

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<v Speaker 1>go from frustrated to furious. They never gave us the video. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they let you watch the video, so we had to

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<v Speaker 1>fight for that. So when they admit that they had

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<v Speaker 1>the video, then we got to keep pressing. It took

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<v Speaker 1>another couple of months for them to get us to

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<v Speaker 1>show the video. In March twenty ten, Latis, Ronda, and

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<v Speaker 1>others finally saw the video. Ronda was expecting several hours

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<v Speaker 1>of footage, but she says that she was shown a

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<v Speaker 1>much shorter, heavily edited version that was made up of

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<v Speaker 1>footage compiled from several different cameras. Latissa said multiple times

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<v Speaker 1>that on the footage that she saw, my Trees appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be behaving in a manner that she called infantile

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<v Speaker 1>and childlike. She said that she could see her daughter

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<v Speaker 1>lying in the fetal position in her cell. In a

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<v Speaker 1>later deposition, she described my Trees as distressed and said

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<v Speaker 1>that My Trees had been pulling at her hair and

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<v Speaker 1>pulling at the mesh wiring that lined the holding cell area.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point, she said my Trees picked up the

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<v Speaker 1>phone and put it down. She looked, Latis said, as

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<v Speaker 1>if she was trying to use the phone but couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get it to work. Latist said that his shadow was

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<v Speaker 1>visible as if someone was passing by the door, and

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed like My Trees was trying to get the

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<v Speaker 1>person's attention, possibly to get assistance, but that there appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be no response. Both Ronda and Latise have spoken

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<v Speaker 1>out in the past about the edits in the video.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, Latis talked about seeing a piece of paper

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<v Speaker 1>crumpled on the floor and wondering how it got there.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's something else. At the end of the video,

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<v Speaker 1>they saw My Trees walking out of the station into

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<v Speaker 1>the darkness, and then right before they pressed stop, someone

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<v Speaker 1>walked out behind her. They were shocked because initially, they say,

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<v Speaker 1>they were told that there were no deputies in the

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<v Speaker 1>station at the time. When my chase was released. The

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<v Speaker 1>end of the video, the screen goes entirely black, and

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<v Speaker 1>you think it's the end of the video. So we

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<v Speaker 1>all turn and we're arguing at the detectives because we're kissed, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so then the guy, the the person who the

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<v Speaker 1>tech now the tech guy he like, he goes like

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<v Speaker 1>that to me. So the tech guy's in this middle

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<v Speaker 1>and we're all around him, and then the screen is

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<v Speaker 1>right there, so he's so everybody's arguing. So I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>here like directly basing him. So then at some point

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<v Speaker 1>he turns to me and he goes like that, like

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<v Speaker 1>to make alert me to look up. So I believe

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<v Speaker 1>that tech guy knew that that video was not over,

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<v Speaker 1>but the detectives didn't. You could tell they were shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>So I look up and then you see that you

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<v Speaker 1>see a deputy coming out of the door, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>significant because we were told that there was nobody at

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<v Speaker 1>that station. Now, my Teresa's family and friends wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>know the name of the deputy who was seen on

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<v Speaker 1>the tape. They wanted to talk to him, not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>to accuse him of any wrongdoing, but because he may

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<v Speaker 1>have been one of the last people to see my

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<v Speaker 1>Teres alive. Journalist Mike Kessler attempted to track the deputy

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<v Speaker 1>down for his Los Angeles Magazine article back in twenty eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>At that time, he said that the department refused to

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<v Speaker 1>give the family the deputy's name. Mike said that he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to get the name of the deputy through

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<v Speaker 1>a confidential source. He called him, and he wrote about

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<v Speaker 1>that call in his article. He wrote, quote, he told me,

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately for you, dude, I wasn't there and hung up.

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<v Speaker 1>On our next call, he insisted that he couldn't remember

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<v Speaker 1>if he'd been at the station the night my Terrese

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<v Speaker 1>was arrested, and then went on to imply that he

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<v Speaker 1>had been on site the night. This nonsense. What's happened?

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I was one of the guys that kept

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<v Speaker 1>away from this, minding my own business. End quote. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this seems to be a bizarre statement. We tried to

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<v Speaker 1>reach that deputy, but several of our calls went unreturned.

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<v Speaker 1>But then Rhonda told us and another source confirmed that

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<v Speaker 1>the deputy in the video was actually someone else, someone

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<v Speaker 1>whose name had never been mentioned before. We're still working

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out who the deputy was who exited the

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<v Speaker 1>building right after my Trese. That's why we need that tape.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing what is on the unedited version of that tape

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<v Speaker 1>is crucial to this case. Even before Black Lives Matter,

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<v Speaker 1>a maud arbery and Breonna Taylor made national headlines, a

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<v Speaker 1>journalist named Alexander Narzaian wrote in Newsweek, quote, my Terce

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<v Speaker 1>Richardson was a young woman who became a case but

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<v Speaker 1>also a cause to many in Los Angeles. She's a

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<v Speaker 1>symbol too, as potent as Michael Brown and Ferguson Missouri,

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<v Speaker 1>or Eric Garner in Staten Island, New York, of a

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement culture that has grown contemptuous of both laws

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<v Speaker 1>and men. End quote. He also quotes La based journalist

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<v Speaker 1>jas Mechanic as saying that she considers my Terse to

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<v Speaker 1>be a victim of police brutality. Here's the thing. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if the tape doesn't provide helpful leads, releasing it could

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<v Speaker 1>help answer some very basic questions for my Teresa's family.

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<v Speaker 1>Police have given several reasons for why they say the

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<v Speaker 1>tape can't be released. First, they said that it didn't exist.

0:16:59.845 --> 0:17:03.045
<v Speaker 1>The Malibu Serve Side News quoted Captain Tom Martin as

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<v Speaker 1>stating in November two thousand and nine that there was

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<v Speaker 1>no video or tape of any kind of my Trees

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<v Speaker 1>at the Lost Hill station on the night she was arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>When Captain Martin revealed that he had the tape, he

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<v Speaker 1>said that he hadn't told the family about it before

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<v Speaker 1>because he thought that when they asked for footage, they

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<v Speaker 1>were referring to footage from outside the building, not inside. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this infuriated my Teresa's family members because they believe that

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<v Speaker 1>once again the police were not being forthcoming. Then they said,

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<v Speaker 1>according to Ronda, that they would not publicly release it

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<v Speaker 1>due to confidentiality issues. But we've talked to Schermaine Henderson,

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<v Speaker 1>who was in the cell with my Trees, and she

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<v Speaker 1>says she's on board to help in any way that

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<v Speaker 1>she can. Ronda says she's also spoken to Chermaine several

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<v Speaker 1>times over the years. She says that was always the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Chermaine was never concerned about confidentiality. Finally, police said that

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<v Speaker 1>they do not have the correct equipment to play the

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<v Speaker 1>tape on. Now, it does seem absurd that police say

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't have the technology to play the video,

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<v Speaker 1>yet they were somehow able to edit it and cut

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<v Speaker 1>it together. Supposedly, the reason why they're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>release the video is because Alex told me that the

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff told me that he said that the captain. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess some homicide doesn't want to set a president president

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<v Speaker 1>of what released on a ten year whole video is

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<v Speaker 1>an open investigation. Okay, well that's the case, then no

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<v Speaker 1>video should ever be released. That's right, until exposed. I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen too many videos when something's going on in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like Ali sheet my fan, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna bring your ass down. CC made a good point

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<v Speaker 1>at the cemetery. This is Hollywood. There is no way

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<v Speaker 1>in hell that they do not have a machine to

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<v Speaker 1>play a VHS when you can buy original Nintendos from

0:19:03.045 --> 0:19:09.005
<v Speaker 1>Love before my trace was even barn Okay, and that's bullshit.

0:19:09.365 --> 0:19:12.725
<v Speaker 1>There are people who collect vhs, There are people who

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<v Speaker 1>collect cassette, there are people who collect all different forms

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<v Speaker 1>of media. So that's bullshit. Yes, hello, how much shit

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<v Speaker 1>is on freaking video just at these studios. See, here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is they get to they get to they

0:19:29.365 --> 0:19:31.845
<v Speaker 1>get to play these little games, and then when you're

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<v Speaker 1>a private citizen, you're not in any position to do

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<v Speaker 1>anything about it, like other than continuing to complain. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's and I'll continue to file every complaint that I

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<v Speaker 1>possibly can. Maybe they are releasing the original footage because

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<v Speaker 1>when I asked for in my pri our request, it

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<v Speaker 1>was for the ration the unedited version so it was

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<v Speaker 1>very clear. Now whether that's what they're going to release

0:19:53.525 --> 0:20:07.005
<v Speaker 1>or not, we'll see Captain Martin not subjected to any

0:20:07.045 --> 0:20:12.845
<v Speaker 1>type of disciplinary action for allegedly suppressing evidence. Instead, he

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<v Speaker 1>was promoted, transferred to another department, and given a raise.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that a lot of people will think that

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<v Speaker 1>multiple cops being involved in large scale conspiracies and secret

0:20:43.845 --> 0:20:48.085
<v Speaker 1>societies sounds like something out of the detective noir novel,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's important to understand the backdrop that my Teresa's

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<v Speaker 1>case played out against. Consider this. Lee Baca, who was

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<v Speaker 1>sheriff of Los Angeles County when my Terse went missing,

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<v Speaker 1>is now a federal prisoner. He's incarcerated at the Federal

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<v Speaker 1>Correctional Institution Latuna, just north of El Paso, Texas. Baca

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<v Speaker 1>was convicted of charges of conspiracy to obstruct justice, obstruction

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<v Speaker 1>of justice, and making false statements. Prosecutors accused Baca of

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<v Speaker 1>being at the head of a massive conspiracy, which also

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<v Speaker 1>involved his under sheriff, Paul Tanaka, and eight other deputies.

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<v Speaker 1>This all started after the FBI began looking into allegations

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<v Speaker 1>of police brutality against inmates at La County jails. The

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<v Speaker 1>FBI had an informant inside one of those jails, but

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<v Speaker 1>when jail staff figured out what was going on, Baca

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<v Speaker 1>and his deputies hid the informant from the federal prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 1>who had issued a summons for a grand jury appearance.

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<v Speaker 1>Bacca's trial became a media circus, and it also brought

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<v Speaker 1>out allegations of white supremacist gangs, which some in law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement insisted were merely social clubs hidden in plain sight,

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<v Speaker 1>operating inside the LASD. This included the infamous Lynnwood Vikings,

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<v Speaker 1>who were based in the now defunct Lynwood Station. Its

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<v Speaker 1>members were LASD deputy sheriffs and included Baka and Tanaka.

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<v Speaker 1>They were described by a judge as a neo Nazi,

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacist gang who engaged in racially motivated hostility. The

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<v Speaker 1>ACLU compiled a report it read, in part, the long

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<v Speaker 1>standing and pervasive culture of deputy hyper violence in Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles County jails, a culture apparently condoned at the highest levels.

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<v Speaker 1>Cries out for swift and thorough investigation and intervention by

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government end this abuse allegedly included rape of

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<v Speaker 1>inmates by deputy sheriffs. In May twenty seventeen, Baca was

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to three years in federal prison for his role

0:23:08.365 --> 0:23:13.285
<v Speaker 1>in the scheme to obstruct the FBI investigation. Now not

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting that former Sheriff Baca had anything to do with

0:23:16.525 --> 0:23:20.325
<v Speaker 1>abuses in my Teresa's case, but I am saying that

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<v Speaker 1>when the police aren't releasing video footage of what went

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<v Speaker 1>down at the station that night, I can certainly understand

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<v Speaker 1>why the family would have questions. And it was shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after Baca pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice that the

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney General agreed to reopen the investigation into my Teresa's case.

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<v Speaker 1>In late twenty fifteen, Ronda submitted a complaint containing over

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred pages of exhibits to the Office of the

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney General. They sent a response a few weeks later

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<v Speaker 1>saying that they had reviewed the evidence and made the

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<v Speaker 1>determination that the lasd deputies had not broken any laws.

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<v Speaker 1>My Teresa's father, Michael Richardson, asked the California Attorney General's Office,

0:24:16.965 --> 0:24:20.005
<v Speaker 1>led by Kamala Harris at the time, to review my

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<v Speaker 1>Teresa's case, and in twenty sixteen they agreed. But the

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<v Speaker 1>next year, the family received more heartbreaking news. The Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>General's office wrote in a letter to Michael that they

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<v Speaker 1>had found insufficient evidence to support criminal prosecution against sheriff's

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<v Speaker 1>deputies who were with my Trees on the night she disappeared.

0:24:43.965 --> 0:24:48.685
<v Speaker 1>The LASD was cleared of any wrongdoing, So once again

0:24:49.245 --> 0:24:52.405
<v Speaker 1>my Teresa's loved ones had gotten their hopes up, and

0:24:52.485 --> 0:24:56.685
<v Speaker 1>once again the case was closed. After receiving the letter,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael told newsstation Box eleven that he believed Harris had

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<v Speaker 1>used my terse as a political pawn. Kamala Harris used

0:25:07.645 --> 0:25:10.885
<v Speaker 1>my daughter's case as a platform to not only seek

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<v Speaker 1>the support of the people in her district, but use

0:25:13.925 --> 0:25:21.325
<v Speaker 1>them to elevate her career to senator, he said. Ronda

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<v Speaker 1>was allowed to see the video a few more times.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that she keeps seeing different versions. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>we never saw the original. We only ever saw what

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<v Speaker 1>they comply, right. I saw the first CD, which by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, was different than what I saw recently. So

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<v Speaker 1>on the first CD it was a little clear as

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<v Speaker 1>brainy because it's old anyways, but it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>clearer than the first one that we saw. And in

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<v Speaker 1>the first video that we saw, like we didn't see Chermaine.

0:25:49.645 --> 0:25:52.165
<v Speaker 1>We saw her leaving, like really quickly, so they like

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<v Speaker 1>cut that out so you couldn't and by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't see her anyway, like we wouldn't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't pick her out of it. Yeah, so that's how

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<v Speaker 1>brainy was, and so so we didn't see her. We

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<v Speaker 1>saw in a shell selper like that Theresa, I mean,

0:26:06.765 --> 0:26:09.245
<v Speaker 1>like so short. But in the video that I saw,

0:26:09.845 --> 0:26:12.845
<v Speaker 1>you know recently, I saw her the entire time. So

0:26:12.965 --> 0:26:15.445
<v Speaker 1>I from the time that Latiss walked in, my tree's

0:26:15.445 --> 0:26:17.125
<v Speaker 1>walked in there, so you can have they had a

0:26:17.165 --> 0:26:19.725
<v Speaker 1>little bit of interaction and but you could see them,

0:26:19.765 --> 0:26:22.365
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of talking to each other or sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>not talking to each other. And then eventually she did leave.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Attorney General's office said that they had viewed

0:26:29.445 --> 0:26:33.445
<v Speaker 1>the video. Ronda has a lot of questions about this,

0:26:34.445 --> 0:26:37.765
<v Speaker 1>she said. She specifically asked if the Attorney General's office

0:26:37.805 --> 0:26:43.205
<v Speaker 1>had viewed the unedited video. If they had, she's wondering

0:26:43.245 --> 0:26:46.005
<v Speaker 1>why the Sheriff's office said that they can't make that

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<v Speaker 1>video available to her and the public. For Ronda and Ceci,

0:27:02.445 --> 0:27:05.965
<v Speaker 1>there has been a beacon of hope and they're in bedstigation.

0:27:06.325 --> 0:27:12.565
<v Speaker 1>In recent years, Sheriff Alex Villanueva. They both campaigned on

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<v Speaker 1>his behalf, and CEC says Ronda is partially responsible for

0:27:16.885 --> 0:27:21.925
<v Speaker 1>his election. They say that under Villanueva's administration, they believe

0:27:22.005 --> 0:27:26.965
<v Speaker 1>that the Sheriff's Department has instituted reforms and moved toward transparency,

0:27:27.965 --> 0:27:30.165
<v Speaker 1>but they still believe that he has a long way

0:27:30.165 --> 0:27:34.245
<v Speaker 1>to go. This was obvious in twenty nineteen on the

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<v Speaker 1>tenth anniversary of my Teres's disappearance, when Ronda and Ceci

0:27:38.245 --> 0:27:40.725
<v Speaker 1>were at a press conference with Alex when he spoke

0:27:40.765 --> 0:27:44.205
<v Speaker 1>about policy changes that he said were a direct result

0:27:44.645 --> 0:27:47.525
<v Speaker 1>of holes in policies that were in place at the

0:27:47.525 --> 0:27:51.485
<v Speaker 1>time my Terce was released. CEC talked about this press

0:27:51.525 --> 0:27:54.325
<v Speaker 1>conference when we met with her at Jeoffrey's. You know,

0:27:54.525 --> 0:27:57.965
<v Speaker 1>he was supposed to come to this press conference, and

0:27:58.045 --> 0:28:00.005
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm the one who begged him to do. At

0:28:00.045 --> 0:28:03.405
<v Speaker 1>the press conference, I'm like, my community needs this. You

0:28:03.565 --> 0:28:07.685
<v Speaker 1>need to set it right out here, get this shit done.

0:28:08.165 --> 0:28:12.485
<v Speaker 1>Tell the people you are reopening the investigation. Do the

0:28:12.565 --> 0:28:17.765
<v Speaker 1>right thing. So Alex comes to the press conference, We're

0:28:17.765 --> 0:28:20.045
<v Speaker 1>all standing there in the line and blah blah blah,

0:28:20.085 --> 0:28:22.645
<v Speaker 1>and everything's like pharmal Pharmal. All of a sudden, he's

0:28:22.685 --> 0:28:26.845
<v Speaker 1>like way off script and he's like pretending like he's

0:28:26.885 --> 0:28:30.365
<v Speaker 1>not going to do anything. Ceci and Rondo were hoping

0:28:30.485 --> 0:28:34.805
<v Speaker 1>that Sheriff Villanuevo would reopen the investigation and dive deep

0:28:34.805 --> 0:28:39.565
<v Speaker 1>into the case again, but then he did not make

0:28:39.605 --> 0:28:43.525
<v Speaker 1>that the central part of the press conference. Sheriff Villanueva

0:28:43.605 --> 0:28:47.045
<v Speaker 1>said mistakes were made, but this did not point to

0:28:47.085 --> 0:28:52.125
<v Speaker 1>evidence of malicious intent. He said, quote, there's a difference

0:28:52.165 --> 0:28:56.085
<v Speaker 1>between wrongdoing and holes and policies. There's always going to

0:28:56.125 --> 0:28:59.165
<v Speaker 1>be something that falls through the cracks. In this case,

0:28:59.565 --> 0:29:03.325
<v Speaker 1>it wound up being my terce Richardson, and that's something

0:29:03.645 --> 0:29:08.285
<v Speaker 1>we're going to have to live with forever. Quote. Ronda

0:29:08.405 --> 0:29:13.205
<v Speaker 1>was devastated. Sheriff Philanueva had talked about getting fresh eyes

0:29:13.245 --> 0:29:16.485
<v Speaker 1>on the case. Now he seemed to have moved on

0:29:16.805 --> 0:29:21.045
<v Speaker 1>to policy changes. Ronda, who is like the head of

0:29:21.085 --> 0:29:25.605
<v Speaker 1>this investigation, like on a personal level for the last

0:29:25.645 --> 0:29:28.125
<v Speaker 1>ten years, she's the one who got him elected. She's

0:29:28.165 --> 0:29:31.965
<v Speaker 1>looking at him like what the fuck, Like you're like

0:29:32.045 --> 0:29:36.125
<v Speaker 1>she lost her shit. So after he fucked up at

0:29:36.125 --> 0:29:39.285
<v Speaker 1>the press conference with all the newspeople looking at us,

0:29:39.845 --> 0:29:41.925
<v Speaker 1>We're standing there and I'm just looking at her. I'm

0:29:41.965 --> 0:29:45.085
<v Speaker 1>dumbfounder I don't know what to do. She's like everybody's looking.

0:29:45.205 --> 0:29:46.845
<v Speaker 1>And then all of a sudden, one of his like

0:29:46.885 --> 0:29:50.565
<v Speaker 1>security guards peaks his head out at lost sale station

0:29:50.925 --> 0:29:52.965
<v Speaker 1>and looks at me. He's like Ceci. I'm like, yeah,

0:29:53.085 --> 0:29:56.245
<v Speaker 1>he goes the sheriff wants to see you. I'm like okay,

0:29:56.805 --> 0:30:00.285
<v Speaker 1>So he goes you and Ronda. I'm like okay. So

0:30:00.525 --> 0:30:03.685
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Ronda, Alex wants to see us, so I

0:30:03.765 --> 0:30:09.965
<v Speaker 1>grab her. We go back. She loses her shit on Alex,

0:30:11.725 --> 0:30:16.165
<v Speaker 1>losing her shit, losing god damn you, Like, I mean,

0:30:16.205 --> 0:30:17.645
<v Speaker 1>I can't even tell you this shit she was. I

0:30:17.685 --> 0:30:19.925
<v Speaker 1>don't even remember. And so I'm like trying to calm

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<v Speaker 1>her down, and Ron is like boom, like an elbow check,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, get out of my way. I'm like, shit,

0:30:28.085 --> 0:30:29.925
<v Speaker 1>throw me against the wall. I'm like, okay, I got this.

0:30:30.005 --> 0:30:33.005
<v Speaker 1>I got this. So finally she storms out of the

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<v Speaker 1>room and and Alex just looks at me and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, Cec, thank you so much. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>got these big eyes, like these doe eyes, like a deer.

0:30:42.405 --> 0:30:47.685
<v Speaker 1>I'm like am I looking at my sheriff for Vliet like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's looking at me scared, like he was

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<v Speaker 1>scared around and I'm like really. We asked several times

0:30:56.205 --> 0:30:59.325
<v Speaker 1>to talk to some of the officers involved. The police

0:30:59.365 --> 0:31:04.645
<v Speaker 1>department formally denied our request, but Ceci was able to

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<v Speaker 1>get me a brief interview with sheriffvill and Nueva. We

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<v Speaker 1>talked about reform, but mostly I wanted to hear about

0:31:11.525 --> 0:31:16.085
<v Speaker 1>the video in my Teresa's case. Rohnda, Latisse and Chip

0:31:16.405 --> 0:31:19.085
<v Speaker 1>have been allowed to view a heavily edited video a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of times over the years, but they haven't ever

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<v Speaker 1>been given access to the unedited video. So finally we

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to ask the question why not. Anyway, I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're super busy, so I really really appreciate it, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. Since we are doing the podcast this season

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<v Speaker 1>about the My Trees Richardson case, in terms of just

0:31:43.485 --> 0:31:47.085
<v Speaker 1>I know that some policies have changed since this happened,

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<v Speaker 1>Can you just talk a little bit about that. Well,

0:31:50.085 --> 0:31:53.565
<v Speaker 1>we have a policy where it's voluntary and in making.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you eat volunteer to stay inside our jail facility overnight?

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<v Speaker 1>So then I released in the week hours in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>and it supplies to the entire jail, but it's particularly

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<v Speaker 1>based on our female population at CRDF and also all

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<v Speaker 1>the stations, the patrol stations, so we can't legally hold

0:32:14.725 --> 0:32:18.805
<v Speaker 1>someone back once their time is up to be released publicly. However,

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<v Speaker 1>there is obviously a potential harm to release something, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>to in the morning, and so they can sign a

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<v Speaker 1>waiver where they could they request to be held for

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<v Speaker 1>a maximum sixteen hours until the next business day during

0:32:33.885 --> 0:32:36.765
<v Speaker 1>normal business hours where they can be released and of

0:32:36.845 --> 0:32:40.005
<v Speaker 1>course arrange for the transportation right and that was a

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<v Speaker 1>big change for the past. Then we got to my

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<v Speaker 1>Terrace's case. Well, I'd made a promise that I would

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<v Speaker 1>have a we would have reexamined the entire case from

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<v Speaker 1>start to finish, and we also looked at it and

0:32:53.325 --> 0:32:57.725
<v Speaker 1>I have possible any wrongdoings from within the department. So

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<v Speaker 1>we had a new team of homicide investigators and internal

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<v Speaker 1>affairs investigators look at the whole thing from start to finish,

0:33:07.325 --> 0:33:09.685
<v Speaker 1>and they went through all the interviews, they went through

0:33:09.685 --> 0:33:13.285
<v Speaker 1>all the physical evidence, they walked to the scene themselves,

0:33:13.365 --> 0:33:16.125
<v Speaker 1>they retraced everything, they looked at all the video evidence.

0:33:16.765 --> 0:33:20.605
<v Speaker 1>So they covered everything very very very detailed, and they

0:33:20.685 --> 0:33:24.565
<v Speaker 1>arrived at the same conclusion, and unfortunately the matter still

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<v Speaker 1>remains unresolved to this day and that we still need answers.

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<v Speaker 1>One mystery, he says, is where did my tries go

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<v Speaker 1>between the police station and where she was found. Was

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<v Speaker 1>she driven there by someone or did she walk there?

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<v Speaker 1>There's basically no definitive evidence either way. What we need

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<v Speaker 1>is we need some between the time that she left

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<v Speaker 1>on her own from the Lost Hill station to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where her remains were recovered. That period of time

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<v Speaker 1>is still I think there's some video surveillance of her

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<v Speaker 1>getting water from the garden hose at a certain residence,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're missing a lot of information of what happened

0:34:06.845 --> 0:34:10.325
<v Speaker 1>and were there any contact with other people, something that

0:34:10.365 --> 0:34:13.405
<v Speaker 1>would point us in the right direction. Because the coroner

0:34:13.405 --> 0:34:17.085
<v Speaker 1>couldn't determine the exact cause of because of the nature

0:34:17.085 --> 0:34:20.045
<v Speaker 1>of the remains, there was nothing left to determine, right

0:34:20.125 --> 0:34:23.605
<v Speaker 1>you know, exactly how she died, so that still remains

0:34:23.605 --> 0:34:27.765
<v Speaker 1>the unresolved issue. When you say video footage, do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that she was most likely killed in the early

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<v Speaker 1>morning hours after she disappeared, or do you think she

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<v Speaker 1>might have been out there for a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm inclined to think that it happened pretty much contiguous,

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<v Speaker 1>since since she left the station area, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>she was out there for days, because she would have

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<v Speaker 1>popped up again on another call for service pretty easy,

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<v Speaker 1>because if she wasn't from the neighborhood and people were

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about her safety, they would have called it in.

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<v Speaker 1>And the fact that we didn't get that call in

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<v Speaker 1>that illustrates it was pretty continuous chain of events until

0:35:03.245 --> 0:35:08.205
<v Speaker 1>she ended upcoming so after so pretty shortly. Then after

0:35:08.245 --> 0:35:11.685
<v Speaker 1>she left Bill Smith's residence. Yeah, if you follow the

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<v Speaker 1>chain of events and when she was last seeing alive

0:35:15.645 --> 0:35:18.005
<v Speaker 1>with that one residence, and then from there, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think there weren't days that went by. I think it

0:35:20.365 --> 0:35:23.045
<v Speaker 1>was a short span of time. I think one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that's so confusing for me about this is

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<v Speaker 1>if she did. I mean, do you have any theories

0:35:28.645 --> 0:35:31.285
<v Speaker 1>about how she got out there to Dark Canyon? Because

0:35:31.325 --> 0:35:33.885
<v Speaker 1>I hiked it with my producer and I was when

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<v Speaker 1>we got to it. It was one of the hardest

0:35:35.285 --> 0:35:36.885
<v Speaker 1>things I've ever done, and I sort of said, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how in the world she could have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>out here. That's again, that's that's one of those mysteries

0:35:43.965 --> 0:35:46.725
<v Speaker 1>that we need to resolve. And if she died by

0:35:46.805 --> 0:35:49.925
<v Speaker 1>unlawful means and it was a criminal homicide, well that

0:35:50.005 --> 0:35:53.285
<v Speaker 1>means that there's a suspect that's still outstanding. Or is

0:35:53.365 --> 0:35:56.485
<v Speaker 1>she on her own because he's young, somewhat athletic, and

0:35:57.005 --> 0:36:01.085
<v Speaker 1>her own mental state of mind drove her to brave

0:36:01.165 --> 0:36:03.485
<v Speaker 1>all those to get to that point and she succumbed

0:36:03.525 --> 0:36:08.245
<v Speaker 1>naturally to the elements another possibility, and now you can

0:36:08.285 --> 0:36:10.285
<v Speaker 1>see why we're well, which one is it? We don't

0:36:10.285 --> 0:36:14.285
<v Speaker 1>have enough information to put us down either path. So yeah,

0:36:14.325 --> 0:36:16.685
<v Speaker 1>so that was my next question about I mean, you

0:36:16.685 --> 0:36:19.485
<v Speaker 1>don't have any theories, you're just you're saying you don't

0:36:19.485 --> 0:36:24.085
<v Speaker 1>have enough information basically, right, we're missing some key elements

0:36:24.125 --> 0:36:27.245
<v Speaker 1>to give us an indication. Which route It ended up being,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think about the theory that some people

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<v Speaker 1>have you know, mentioned that there could have been law

0:36:33.885 --> 0:36:37.485
<v Speaker 1>enforcement involved, that that theory has been turned out there,

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<v Speaker 1>But since we had all those big new evidence of

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<v Speaker 1>within the station and everyone's been interviewed, there's there's nothing

0:36:44.245 --> 0:36:49.725
<v Speaker 1>that supports that. Finally we got to the video. Well,

0:36:49.765 --> 0:36:52.085
<v Speaker 1>in regarding the video, I mean, do you think that'll

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<v Speaker 1>ever be publicly released? The judge of put a put

0:36:59.525 --> 0:37:02.165
<v Speaker 1>an order on it so it couldn't be released. We're

0:37:02.245 --> 0:37:04.765
<v Speaker 1>going to release it in a response to a pry.

0:37:05.965 --> 0:37:10.005
<v Speaker 1>And however, I think the families of Mantris Richardson intervened

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<v Speaker 1>with court and they sought an order to keep it

0:37:14.005 --> 0:37:16.645
<v Speaker 1>from being disclosed publicly. So that's where it's at right now.

0:37:16.845 --> 0:37:19.765
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if the judge will returns that order or

0:37:19.805 --> 0:37:23.485
<v Speaker 1>removes it, well, then they will be released poetly. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you and when you say a video, do

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<v Speaker 1>you mean the edited video or is there still is

0:37:30.605 --> 0:37:34.845
<v Speaker 1>there still an unedited video? Does that exist anymore? No?

0:37:35.085 --> 0:37:38.565
<v Speaker 1>The edited video that is out there is a compilation

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<v Speaker 1>of all the pieces of video that had something on it.

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<v Speaker 1>What they did is they removed all the dead spots

0:37:44.725 --> 0:37:48.285
<v Speaker 1>where there's nothing happening at all. Okay, gotcha. So what

0:37:48.325 --> 0:37:50.405
<v Speaker 1>they did is they put it all together to put

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<v Speaker 1>it in context of the actual activities and emotions on

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<v Speaker 1>the camera, and they got rid of all the time

0:37:56.045 --> 0:37:59.565
<v Speaker 1>that there was nothing happening. Yeah, they compressed it for

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<v Speaker 1>clarity purpose. So it was everything with heron and you

0:38:03.525 --> 0:38:08.085
<v Speaker 1>didn't see anything that would be on the video, No,

0:38:08.445 --> 0:38:11.685
<v Speaker 1>nothing at all. It looked like normal traffic inside the

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<v Speaker 1>station and the exterior station. I mean, if you had

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<v Speaker 1>to guess, you don't think it's going to be released

0:38:16.685 --> 0:38:21.965
<v Speaker 1>anytime soon. That's that's at the discretion of the court.

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<v Speaker 1>So we may never get the unedited tapes from that night,

0:38:27.445 --> 0:38:29.725
<v Speaker 1>but we do know that my Chrise was alive and

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<v Speaker 1>well when she left the station that night, shortly after midnight.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm encouraged by the fact that Sheriff vill Nueva,

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<v Speaker 1>unlike so many other law enforcement officers from the past,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't saying that there's no sign of foul play. He

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<v Speaker 1>admits that there are missing pieces, and he says he

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<v Speaker 1>thinks that someone, maybe someone way up in the Santa

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<v Speaker 1>Monica Mountains knows something. Yeah, we do get a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the love transience, people that wandered different areas throughout

0:38:59.885 --> 0:39:04.005
<v Speaker 1>that whole corridor there, but you know, absence somebody coming

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<v Speaker 1>forward and saying this is what happened, and how we're

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<v Speaker 1>still going to be left with this unresolved, you know. Depth,

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<v Speaker 1>So we have to put aside Los Angeles law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>politics and all the other chaos. We need to do

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<v Speaker 1>what we do best. We need to go back to Montegnito,

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<v Speaker 1>back to the woods and start tracking people down, starting

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<v Speaker 1>with a deputy who walked out of the Lost Hill

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<v Speaker 1>station minutes after my trease. I'm Katherine Townsend and this

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<v Speaker 1>is Helen Gone. Helen Gone is a production of School

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<v Speaker 1>of Humans and iHeartRadio. It's written and narrated by me,

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<v Speaker 1>Catherine Townsend. Our producers are Gabby Watts, Taylor Church and

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<v Speaker 1>James Morrison. Music is by Ben Sale. Mix is by Tuonewelders.

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<v Speaker 1>Our executive producers are Brandon barr Els Crowley and Brian Lavin.

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