Speaker 1: Today, It's all about Tom. In this episode, I'm reliving
Speaker 1: one of my biggest internal conflicts on the Housewives, whether
Speaker 1: or not to tell the Wanne that her fiance Tom
Speaker 1: was caught kissing another woman. This was a Sophie's choice,
Speaker 1: the messengers getting shot. You're damned if you do, You're
Speaker 1: damned if you don't, And it brings up the major
Speaker 1: question would you want to know? As a result, I
Speaker 1: have a pretty hilarious breakdown, so I needed to bring
Speaker 1: on someone just as hilarious. Joining me on today's episode
Speaker 1: is comedian and SNL alum Kevin Nealon. You'll be shocked
Speaker 1: to hear who he identifies with. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: I'm so freaget excited right now. I can't even I've
Speaker 1: been like thinking in my head. But the first time
Speaker 1: I was in say to you and um, so I
Speaker 1: love First of all, I love you, and I was
Speaker 1: just thinking, like, what are we we? How do we
Speaker 1: define our relationship? Like Kevin was on so nice to
Speaker 1: do that like gift talk show practice, and then I
Speaker 1: called you about stand up and then we did just
Speaker 1: be And I feel like if best friends are a
Speaker 1: ten and people who don't know each other are zero?
Speaker 1: What are we? Well, honestly, I have a lot of
Speaker 1: respect for you. I have a lot of respect for
Speaker 1: you because how just how complete you are. You're just
Speaker 1: you're such a business woman, you're a great actress, um,
Speaker 1: you're you're a fun person to be with, beautiful, and
Speaker 1: so i'd say we're like, I don't know, maybe you're
Speaker 1: well because we don't hang out all the time, I'd
Speaker 1: say maybe we're set a point nine. Jesus Christ, you're
Speaker 1: like me. You don't have that ment. You have few
Speaker 1: people that you like, really dig. That's why you said that.
Speaker 1: I like that. Well that's pretty good. Yeah, well no,
Speaker 1: then I might invite you to my and the next
Speaker 1: time I have a birthday party, which happens like every decade.
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm putting on it's about it's actually never well,
Speaker 1: I have to be totally transparent. I don't watch a
Speaker 1: lot of TV. I've never seen a Bachelor, I've never
Speaker 1: seen any of that Housewives set for my wife and
Speaker 1: h and I watched it the episode they sent me,
Speaker 1: and I was watching here for the first time. I'm going, okay,
Speaker 1: I see what you're doing here. Okay, okay, maybe there's
Speaker 1: something improblem going on, you know, maybe they're kind of
Speaker 1: steering it one way, and it was really interesting to
Speaker 1: watch the dynamics of it. Well. I it's funny because
Speaker 1: when I was talking to my partners at I Heart,
Speaker 1: they wanted you know, and I think initially when I
Speaker 1: talked to my fiance about the idea, they thought like,
Speaker 1: should be Housewives fans, And I'm like, there's so much
Speaker 1: of that. And while there are some Housewives fans like
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Muss is a fan of some so there is
Speaker 1: absolutely no um no, one has to have seen the housewivestort,
Speaker 1: and so I like that because it's fresh. You're just
Speaker 1: jumping into this thing. But you could tell from one episode,
Speaker 1: not on like a soap opera or tele novella, that
Speaker 1: like one episode you could be hooked and you can
Speaker 1: understand where all the dynamics and who the characters are
Speaker 1: or do you not feel like that? Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's totally true. I watched it twice. Actually I watched
Speaker 1: I watched the episode twice. The first time I watched it,
Speaker 1: and I was I was kind of like learning each
Speaker 1: character's name and thinking, Okay, I know Bethany, but I
Speaker 1: don't know any of these other people. Um, okay, she's
Speaker 1: the one that got cheated on, you know. And then I, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I was almost like I had to watch
Speaker 1: it again to really like watch it and forget about
Speaker 1: who's who and knowing you and then really finding out
Speaker 1: the meat of what's going on the way you have
Speaker 1: to go back and watch Game of Thrones again. Oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: I could watch Game of Thrones again and not know
Speaker 1: what's happening exactly. That's exactly me. It's so many right, okay, So,
Speaker 1: and I have never seen this since back then when
Speaker 1: it aired. I only watched something once we get sent
Speaker 1: the video or sent the link the week before it airs,
Speaker 1: and I will watch it then and but just some
Speaker 1: inside scoop. But I just realized now from a business
Speaker 1: television perspective, I had left the show after three seasons,
Speaker 1: four three seasons, and they had three new people come
Speaker 1: on and during uh the time that I left, the
Speaker 1: ratings declined significantly. They went from like three million to
Speaker 1: one point six. And this these were the episodes that
Speaker 1: that they spiked back up to three millions. So these
Speaker 1: are like iconic episodes. I mean, this was when everybody
Speaker 1: a Bravo was high fiving each other. So this is
Speaker 1: like I set you like a good Meadi one. Um,
Speaker 1: and because you're married, I thought you'd find it, you know,
Speaker 1: just interesting. The dynamic of do they want to know?
Speaker 1: I mean, you live in l A, you live in
Speaker 1: you know, suburbia, and like there's a world of people
Speaker 1: who just don't want to know. And this is the
Speaker 1: That was that lightbulb moment when I realized, wait a second,
Speaker 1: not usually, not that early in a relationship. Did I
Speaker 1: think that that I realized as a concept for financial reasons,
Speaker 1: for you know, wanting to hide your head under the covers,
Speaker 1: for for public perception reasons, there are just many people
Speaker 1: who don't want to know. What percentage do you think
Speaker 1: of people would not want to know that their their
Speaker 1: fiance is having a fooling around them or or or
Speaker 1: spouse Yeah or spouse. Um, that's a good question. Um,
Speaker 1: I would say the percentage would probably be maybe I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to know. Would you want to know? I
Speaker 1: would want to know? I would, But I will tell
Speaker 1: you something I relate mostly with Luanne. Wow. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Because I had a girlfriend cheated
Speaker 1: on me and I took her back. I thought, okay,
Speaker 1: that was just you know, one time deal. Um, I
Speaker 1: didn't know the phrase wants to cheat or a year.
Speaker 1: And so I took her back that soon in like that,
Speaker 1: like how soon into the relationship. Well, first I discovered
Speaker 1: the emails. You know, I wasn't even looking. It's fact
Speaker 1: when sometimes you share the same email, or you had
Speaker 1: a couple of different emails, and um, and I came
Speaker 1: across her communication with a guy and I literally got
Speaker 1: sick to my stomach because I totally trusted her. I
Speaker 1: never even thought of this. I never imagined that this
Speaker 1: would ever happen, and and it did happen. And I
Speaker 1: confronted her about it, which was not easy because I
Speaker 1: knew our relationship would never be the same again. It
Speaker 1: would never be the same even if you don't think
Speaker 1: we worked things out. You know, I could forgive her,
Speaker 1: but not forget it. So I took her back to
Speaker 1: it like Luan wanted to do. Luan was like rationalizing
Speaker 1: and giving him, you know, all this whole reason why
Speaker 1: he did. He was drunk and never happened in and
Speaker 1: you know, and so that's what I did with her.
Speaker 1: You know, I thought, well, maybe I haven't been that,
Speaker 1: you know, attentive enough tension. So we got back together,
Speaker 1: and within a month I discovered she was seeing him again,
Speaker 1: and I took her back again, totally win. And and
Speaker 1: then you know, of course, my trust is waning even
Speaker 1: more than I never did. And and I said, and
Speaker 1: I even, uh, I even called the guy, and I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I hate confrontation, I hate it so much,
Speaker 1: but this one I had to do. And he never
Speaker 1: answered the phone, never answered the phone. I left a message,
Speaker 1: and then finally going I called him. He didn't answer.
Speaker 1: I said, you better pick up the phone now, or
Speaker 1: maybe I should call your wife Hello, Hello. And I
Speaker 1: have had this speech prepared for so long, but I
Speaker 1: was gonna say to him, um, But he never picked
Speaker 1: up the phone, and I kind of forgot the speech.
Speaker 1: And then I was overwhelmed how much anger I had
Speaker 1: toward him. I just I just started swearing to the phone,
Speaker 1: you know, I just kept swearing and swearing. He's actually
Speaker 1: started chuckling anyway. So I gave my wife one more
Speaker 1: my girlfriend one more chance. I was before you slipped, uh,
Speaker 1: and and about I don't know. A month later, I
Speaker 1: saw tickets where she had rendezvous with him, you know.
Speaker 1: And and then I came home and I found a
Speaker 1: book in her purse that was all yellow highlighted, and
Speaker 1: it was a book like I'm breaking up, you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so um yeah, and then it was over. Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you brought up you thought you weren't
Speaker 1: paying enough attention, etcetera. Because I think that infidelity is
Speaker 1: not black and white. I would assume that in certain situations,
Speaker 1: if someone is really treating someone like shit. I know
Speaker 1: people in certain situations where I know the reasons why
Speaker 1: they're staying together and they're not. They're more logical, and
Speaker 1: in some ways it's such a complicated situation that I
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you are supposed to have your own thing going.
Speaker 1: If that person is going to do what they're doing,
Speaker 1: maybe you are like, I don't. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: that black and white in this case. But so it's
Speaker 1: funny what you said about you thinking maybe it was
Speaker 1: you not giving up attention, because I do think that
Speaker 1: that does exist in relationships. There's not there's never there's
Speaker 1: always some gray. But I also think, um, she was
Speaker 1: at a low point in her life now you know
Speaker 1: as it plays out years later, And I was what
Speaker 1: it sounded like you might have been at a different
Speaker 1: place in your life. And I wonder if cheaters seek
Speaker 1: out people who tolerate it on any level. Like I
Speaker 1: can tell you right now that if I held someone's
Speaker 1: hand for a second and kiss them on the cheek,
Speaker 1: he would literally never speak to me again. I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not even he's not a real jealous guy. He
Speaker 1: just it's just he's a more like morality code. Here's
Speaker 1: the line, here's not the line. And he's not the
Speaker 1: guy that would ever comment on the way another woman
Speaker 1: looks or even look the other direction. He's very sort
Speaker 1: of like poised in that and just very formal and
Speaker 1: like chivalrous. So yeah, he gives out what he expects.
Speaker 1: He's not it's not like he's a guy who's like, wow,
Speaker 1: she's hot or look. He just wouldn't accept it whatsoever.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if people attract people who kind of
Speaker 1: would be lenients on that, Because if she knew that
Speaker 1: you would never tolerated, do you think she would even
Speaker 1: have done it? And do you think that Tom definitely
Speaker 1: knew that Lom would come back. I think I don't
Speaker 1: think he took the relationship seriously. Well, you have to
Speaker 1: assume that no one will tolerated, you know that you
Speaker 1: got to go off of that base right there. And
Speaker 1: you know, I know some people who have that open relationship,
Speaker 1: but they don't want to know that their partner was
Speaker 1: with somebody else. Just don't tell me, right and yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of gay relationships like that too.
Speaker 1: And you know what, that's a different story, but that's
Speaker 1: an unspoken agreement that I get. Like, that's a different
Speaker 1: everyone's allow to live their own life with the rated divorce. Well,
Speaker 1: she even asked me one time, she said, you would
Speaker 1: you like to bring someone else into this relationship? What
Speaker 1: do you think about that? I said, now, what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? You know? Or would you like to
Speaker 1: be with so and so? In front of hers, kind
Speaker 1: of like baiting me, Yes, I want to be with you,
Speaker 1: you know. But you know, here's the thing. I was
Speaker 1: with her her many years, and Luanne was only you know,
Speaker 1: dating this guy for four weeks before she got engaged.
Speaker 1: That's why it's different than you. That's why I thought
Speaker 1: it was surprising that you related to her. That's why
Speaker 1: it's different because also there's a woman at a certain
Speaker 1: age in New York City with a bunch of barracudas
Speaker 1: all competing for the same men. And I feel like women,
Speaker 1: you know, men, women are like they could smell like
Speaker 1: blood in the water men when you know, women desperate
Speaker 1: to grab a guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well you know,
Speaker 1: as as they said in the episode, it's guys looking
Speaker 1: for rich women women, you know, the Upper east Side.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought. And how about you know, guess
Speaker 1: what this guy makes more than she does. Okay, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: that shoots down your theory about that. Well oh well yeah, Also, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know guys now men now want a woman
Speaker 1: with their own program. They're not looking to pay for
Speaker 1: some of dental bills like I've just found that overall.
Speaker 1: I've even I know some wealthy guys though that are
Speaker 1: dating women who have their own career, and you know,
Speaker 1: the women are paying for a lot of the things.
Speaker 1: I think that men are kind of the days of
Speaker 1: men kind of just wanting to pay for every single
Speaker 1: thing that those days are over. My fiance's old fashioned
Speaker 1: in that way too. He doesn't matter what it is.
Speaker 1: He would never allow me to pay for anything, which
Speaker 1: is glorious. Don't get me wrong, but that's not that
Speaker 1: that's that's sort of archaic in ways to people. I
Speaker 1: get it's too because I'm like that too. I'm just uh.
Speaker 1: And there's a certain guilt that comes along with you cheat,
Speaker 1: Like if you were out with friends, you always want
Speaker 1: to pick up the check at the restaurant because you
Speaker 1: think I'm guilty because I make so much money. You
Speaker 1: know I should have it, you know, because you you
Speaker 1: know you you google the net Worth dinner. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: making the mosk. I'm gonna have to pick up the chech.
Speaker 1: You looked up their house, the real estate taxes and
Speaker 1: value that it's increased since I'm Zillo, all right, So
Speaker 1: it's about Tom. And now here's the thing. I was
Speaker 1: not close friends of Luan at that time. There are
Speaker 1: moments that we've had more closeness, but at that time,
Speaker 1: like you could see, it looked like a drawing room
Speaker 1: comedy with two different groups of you know, trios to
Speaker 1: two groups of women. And I was not on the
Speaker 1: Luan group, in the Luan group at that time, so
Speaker 1: it was weird for me to have this piece of information.
Speaker 1: And like I said in the episode, And thank god
Speaker 1: I had all that information because I remember later and
Speaker 1: I don't know I would have been a great detective
Speaker 1: and a great lawyer. I just I am so thorough
Speaker 1: with details. But I remember playing the chess and my
Speaker 1: mind when So I have a friend who lives we're
Speaker 1: not even friends anymore, but we were never good friends.
Speaker 1: It's a girl that I know. I've known her since college.
Speaker 1: And sometimes you when I'm in the summer in the Hampton's,
Speaker 1: you run into certain people. You'll beach walk with people
Speaker 1: and you become sort of more summer friends, and then
Speaker 1: you don't really see them during the year, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. They're like summer friends, so um, and
Speaker 1: it's just filler. It's like, let's take a walk on
Speaker 1: the beach. It's a body to go take a walk
Speaker 1: on the beach with. That's the person you've known since college.
Speaker 1: Check so this person just for some reason, um. You know,
Speaker 1: some people watch these shows and it annoys them because
Speaker 1: these shows are often very superficial and don't tell the
Speaker 1: truth about people's like to your point net worth, or
Speaker 1: a person's renting a car and they really don't have it,
Speaker 1: or the husband's cheating and they're pretending on television. So
Speaker 1: some people, you know, if you're honest about everything, it's fine,
Speaker 1: and if you don't say anything, it's fine. But when
Speaker 1: you go on television and whether you're Theresa from Jersey
Speaker 1: paying with hundreds of thousands of dollars of cash, when
Speaker 1: you know your husband's stealing or you don't have it
Speaker 1: like that, it annoys people. And I get that it's
Speaker 1: kind of a lot of part of cancel culture. People
Speaker 1: who get pulled down are the people that are like
Speaker 1: going on and on about how nice they are, all
Speaker 1: that they have. So I believe that this girl was
Speaker 1: irritating her because she knew the behind the scenes of
Speaker 1: this guy Tom. She had friends who had dated him,
Speaker 1: and it was like crazy to her. He was cheating
Speaker 1: on lu Anne with her friends and he was just
Speaker 1: a dog. So seeing this on television about Prince Tom,
Speaker 1: I think annoyed her. So she happened to be at
Speaker 1: the Regency, which is this Upper east side watering hole
Speaker 1: that all these rich, you know, nouveaux reche douche bags
Speaker 1: go to, and she happened her her friend was there
Speaker 1: that night and got the and took that picture and
Speaker 1: sent it to me two days before we were going
Speaker 1: to fly to go to Lunne's engagement party, which was
Speaker 1: in an episode prior that I did not go to.
Speaker 1: So she sends it to me, and I'm on this
Speaker 1: show and I'm like, what the funk am I going
Speaker 1: to do with this information? It's not my best friend
Speaker 1: and it's not my enemy. It's like right in the middle.
Speaker 1: So I'm like what And I'm on this show and um,
Speaker 1: and in the previous episode, I'm asking Luanne like, are
Speaker 1: you guys monogamous? Because I'm thinking maybe Kevin neil and
Speaker 1: said maybe they have an arrangement. So that's what I'm
Speaker 1: giving you that I walked into this thing with not
Speaker 1: knowing when to say it, and um, the producers wanted
Speaker 1: me to drop it the second we got there, and
Speaker 1: I like, I just didn't want to ruin the whole weekend,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know when to say it. And I
Speaker 1: had all my facts because I knew that she would
Speaker 1: say like no, you know, and that he would deny
Speaker 1: it like she had to have him corner, So I
Speaker 1: had all my adit. I had a time stamp on
Speaker 1: that ship. So Kevin, what do you think about how
Speaker 1: I handled it honestly. All in, I'm gonna be totally
Speaker 1: honest with you. Yeah. First of all, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's a time stamp on a cell phone picture, is there.
Speaker 1: There's a way to go into the data. I don't
Speaker 1: remember who found it from me, but there's a way
Speaker 1: to go in and find out when the page doesn't No,
Speaker 1: it's not like just there, but you could go dig
Speaker 1: into the data and find out when it was. Because
Speaker 1: I wanted to have those receipts. It could have been
Speaker 1: three years ago, and I called the hotel to make
Speaker 1: sure because I needed that information to You did total
Speaker 1: thorough research, which was good. Before you start accusing somebody, Well,
Speaker 1: here's what I thought, um, when I first started watching
Speaker 1: the show, I saw how upset you were and under
Speaker 1: the covers, and then Lunn comes in, she doesn't seem
Speaker 1: as upset as you do, and I'm thinking, what who
Speaker 1: who got cheated up? It looks like Matthani's boyfriend cheated
Speaker 1: on her, saying because Lunn doesn't seem that upset, you know,
Speaker 1: because because she doesn't want to believe it, I guess.
Speaker 1: And so you dropped the bomb on her when you
Speaker 1: did and again you still see more more upset than
Speaker 1: she was because you didn't know what to do, and
Speaker 1: you know what a blow that would be by telling her.
Speaker 1: And um, and then I started thinking, Yeah, if you're
Speaker 1: a good friend, do you tell your friend that someone
Speaker 1: is cheating on you because it will change their life.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's better to know sooner than later,
Speaker 1: I guess. But then you start thinking, what if they
Speaker 1: get back together. It's like when you when somebody's breaking
Speaker 1: up and they're asking about you know, your their spouse
Speaker 1: or their boyfriend or girl friends. You go, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't say I never liked her him, I never liked
Speaker 1: because then if what happens get back together again, you know,
Speaker 1: then then you're like cut off from them. Well, an
Speaker 1: interesting thing that I'm going to say, because the show
Speaker 1: is about me really like giving the behind the scenes
Speaker 1: of what really goes down and the dynamic of being
Speaker 1: on a show like this. So let's I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: totally totally honest. So this is why friendships and family
Speaker 1: relationships do not work on these shows. If people are
Speaker 1: good friends right now, it's because they're on the shows
Speaker 1: at the same time. Um, It's not like Survivor where
Speaker 1: you can make a true alliance. I guess I haven't
Speaker 1: been on that show. But my point is, you're on
Speaker 1: this show. You're not great friends with Luan. You're not
Speaker 1: not friends with Luan. If you're on the phone with
Speaker 1: your best if this is your best friend you're on
Speaker 1: the show with. Now you're just telling your best friend
Speaker 1: off camera and what on camera? We're going to the
Speaker 1: party and we're all pretending everything's okay, and I'm never
Speaker 1: gonna tell the show the world what's really going on,
Speaker 1: when then it's all a ruse that I'm compromising myself
Speaker 1: on this show too, that I agreed to, like go onto,
Speaker 1: and it's an unwritten rule. Robot doesn't call you and
Speaker 1: be like, hey, listen, if your friend's husband's you know,
Speaker 1: cheating his taxes, you kind of have to say because
Speaker 1: you think you're not gonna say it, but you're gonna say,
Speaker 1: like everything comes out, which is why it's a toxic environment,
Speaker 1: because it's very gotcha. You're always in some corner. It's
Speaker 1: a zero sum game. You're either getting fucked or someone
Speaker 1: else is getting fucked. It's just never the middle. There's
Speaker 1: sometimes you're coasting for a second. But it's just like
Speaker 1: you're that loser in the middle of the Apprentice season
Speaker 1: that like it's just playing under the radar and everyone realizes,
Speaker 1: like you have to be in or or you know.
Speaker 1: So that's the problem with the show. This is a
Speaker 1: real serious issue with a woman whose fiance cheated on her,
Speaker 1: but she brought this fiance onto the show as perfect.
Speaker 1: He had already dated and slept with Sonja, he had
Speaker 1: dated Ramona. It's a fucking joke. And now you're in this.
Speaker 1: So are we now going to pretend this is all
Speaker 1: serious when this guy's dated three other housewives, But here
Speaker 1: we're gonna pretend we're on like real life privacy. That's
Speaker 1: why the whole thing is all mucked up and muddled
Speaker 1: as a concept for like reality. Did that make any sense? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you know, I think you know, Louie could
Speaker 1: have gone to Sonia or son you could have warned
Speaker 1: her and said he's a player. He's a player. And
Speaker 1: by the way, you said, you've never been on survival,
Speaker 1: But I think that the Real Housewives is just like Survival.
Speaker 1: Everyone's trying to survive exactly exactly. Here's here's what I
Speaker 1: think could have been an option for a year. Care
Speaker 1: for you is you go up to Tom and say, Tom,
Speaker 1: you I don't that you cheated on Lune. Now you
Speaker 1: eat go up to her and admitt it and be
Speaker 1: honest with her and trying to do whenever you can
Speaker 1: to salvage the relationship or I'm gonna go tell her,
Speaker 1: and would have been. We were leaving for the trip
Speaker 1: the next day. Everybody was leaving for the trip in
Speaker 1: Florida and in housewives Land, they want to get it
Speaker 1: out now that they wanted me to say it. Friday,
Speaker 1: the second islanded and we waited a lot of it
Speaker 1: got pregnant the whole weekend through which is on previous episode.
Speaker 1: This was like a three episode arc of a shitty
Speaker 1: little trip in Florida. People go to Morocco and don't
Speaker 1: get the meat out of the Like we could have
Speaker 1: gone to se Caucus and had a three episode arc,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like they've spent all this
Speaker 1: money to go to and where the New York is
Speaker 1: the queen of shitty trips that deliver, and I'm part
Speaker 1: of those shitty trips. We go to like always go
Speaker 1: to cheesy Miami and like a cheapo Mexican trip. Other
Speaker 1: people are going to Bali like we always are, like
Speaker 1: on the low. Yeah. So this was a three episode arc,
Speaker 1: and it would have been I would have said to
Speaker 1: the producers to your point, that would have been great.
Speaker 1: I'm staying. Called Tom he has to shoot. He'd call
Speaker 1: away and be like, they want me to shoot? Why?
Speaker 1: And she'd be like, why are you guys shooting? I
Speaker 1: want to be like, I can't imagine that would have
Speaker 1: been The producers would be too lazy for that. But
Speaker 1: that's a superb idea. I should have waited all weekend
Speaker 1: and then. But they like things to bust out like
Speaker 1: a pinata on the trips as you saw later the pinata.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I like, that's a thank you for
Speaker 1: coming into this prepared, Kevin. That was a very good
Speaker 1: That's I didn't even think of that, Okay, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like Elizabeth Mosty, I didn't realize how much resources
Speaker 1: would I haven't take night courses on this two. You
Speaker 1: could do a side she already asked. Right after she did,
Speaker 1: she asked she could do it again like she love
Speaker 1: you guys could do a side podcast on it, like
Speaker 1: you could do behind the scenes of the behind the
Speaker 1: scenes up after Dark Waves. I watched the interview when
Speaker 1: I said, uh, like I dropped this bomb, but like
Speaker 1: I want to I want to go back on my
Speaker 1: merry way, like I okay, get out of my like
Speaker 1: I told you, like I did what I was supposed
Speaker 1: to do. I told I don't want to be like
Speaker 1: in this now with you in the room, like with
Speaker 1: you and Tom and the thing. You know, this is
Speaker 1: the quintessential shoot the messenger. Is this not oh totally totally.
Speaker 1: It's putting the blame of the wrong with the person.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's the blame should be on Tom.
Speaker 1: Yet she puts it on you again. She's deflecting because
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to believe that Tom would have an affair.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at all excuses she had. Well it's
Speaker 1: not timestamp. How do we know what data this was?
Speaker 1: And how do we know you know, is that really calm?
Speaker 1: And this could have been like a year ago. Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm defending myself. Right now, I'm defending myself and now
Speaker 1: you and then you you bathing that guilt for a
Speaker 1: long time. But you know, maybe you shouldn't have told her,
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, like I said, I thought
Speaker 1: you were the one who got dumped from the beginning,
Speaker 1: who got cheat that's crazy from your perspective. Let's hear
Speaker 1: about the characters, like your first instinct about each character
Speaker 1: and how how they responded, how they reacted, and what
Speaker 1: you thought of them. Well, you know, I know that
Speaker 1: that is that is a strategy, as some people happen to.
Speaker 1: Can't help it, you know, when you know, when you're
Speaker 1: you feel horrible, and then they start talking about how
Speaker 1: they got cheated on, and all of a sudden it
Speaker 1: becomes about them, right right, So and I find myself
Speaker 1: doing that too, the only because I don't know how to,
Speaker 1: you know, console somebody who's had a tragedy in their life,
Speaker 1: like somebody said, uh, oh, you know my my parents
Speaker 1: died and I feel horrid about it. I love them
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, I remember why parents died. I am
Speaker 1: you know, I still feel like right here and you know,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's all about you. And I
Speaker 1: think that was her Ramona's you know, unknowing strategy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's an incorrect strategy, because
Speaker 1: you know, I think it does make someone feel better
Speaker 1: that someone else has cheated on after twenty five years,
Speaker 1: you know publicly and that it's so funny how page
Speaker 1: six comes up so many times in the show too,
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be you had to hear about it
Speaker 1: on page six. You know, it's not even the near post. No, right,
Speaker 1: did you think that Luam was overly focused on the
Speaker 1: court of public opinion? Yeah, this is around that's interesting
Speaker 1: to me around town. Yeah, it's get around. Everybody knows
Speaker 1: it's around the city. But ultimately she didn't care. She
Speaker 1: ended up marrying Tom. Right, She ended up marrying Tom
Speaker 1: and ended up divorcing Tom shortly thereafter. I was the
Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing. It happened again later before
Speaker 1: they got married. I was always the most vocal one
Speaker 1: on the show in general, there was a girl, Um,
Speaker 1: you were the most vocal one about. But about like
Speaker 1: there was years ago, there was this woman that I
Speaker 1: was like, no, she's not okay, Like it's not she's not,
Speaker 1: I kept saying. And I felt like I was on
Speaker 1: Three's company and I was in the other room, and
Speaker 1: like things were happening that no one could see, and
Speaker 1: then everyone, you know, cut to the other room and
Speaker 1: all the crazy stuff that happened. But no one saw.
Speaker 1: It was like the tree fell and no one heard it.
Speaker 1: So with this sometimes it will take several seasons, like
Speaker 1: in life, several years where you've said something and then
Speaker 1: you get vindication. It could be and in you know
Speaker 1: a parent in law that thinks the son shouldn't marry someone.
Speaker 1: They see the writing on the wall, and you're screaming,
Speaker 1: you're jumping up and down. And I guess that's a question.
Speaker 1: How does everybody have to learn for themselves because it
Speaker 1: seems like a long, expensive, exhausting lesson. How do you
Speaker 1: really convey to someone that there are a d going
Speaker 1: down the wrong road, like there was no doubt in
Speaker 1: my mind. There's other scenes months and years later, Mee
Speaker 1: saying to her, No, this guy's a bad guy. No,
Speaker 1: don't do this. Yeah, well, that's that's the peril you
Speaker 1: put yourself into. If you start taking sides and then
Speaker 1: they get together. What kind of relationship can you have
Speaker 1: with that person? Again, if I found out that three
Speaker 1: significant people in my life I felt the same way
Speaker 1: about somebody, I think I would listen, that's my problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I never had that in my In my marriage, it
Speaker 1: was only one person that thought significantly that like that
Speaker 1: it was a mistake and somebody else who didn't mention
Speaker 1: until later. So I guess people have to subtly mention
Speaker 1: it so we can get this map going. Three people
Speaker 1: have to say it. Yeah. My wife is my most
Speaker 1: significant person in my life, and if I come up
Speaker 1: with a joke for my end up, I'll run it
Speaker 1: by her. And I mean, I think it's a really
Speaker 1: great joke. We should go. I don't know. And then
Speaker 1: in my head I'm thinking, you'll see, I'll show you
Speaker 1: I got stage, and I do it and sometimes it
Speaker 1: gets a laugh, other times it doesn't. I'll come back
Speaker 1: on that. You're right, You're right, that's so funny. Right,
Speaker 1: you did it with three people. Three people thought it
Speaker 1: wasn't funny. There's no way it's actually funny, that's right.
Speaker 1: And why do I even ask her if I'm not
Speaker 1: going to listen to her, you know, And I think, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm the comedian. I've had over forty years of experience
Speaker 1: on the stage. What do you know? Well, how did
Speaker 1: she add over forty years experience laughing the audience? Probably
Speaker 1: more than that? Yeah, Um, that's interesting though. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: also yeah, but you're probably delivering it differently to her?
Speaker 1: Do you deliver your jokes differently to her than you
Speaker 1: do want? So we were very dry anyway, Like meaning,
Speaker 1: what's how do you deliver a joke of sam where
Speaker 1: you're going to do it on stage to your wife
Speaker 1: at home? Well, first of all, this joke comes out
Speaker 1: of nowhere at home, it's just like, hey, you want
Speaker 1: to hear listen to my stage. I have a long
Speaker 1: build up to it. They get my style and I
Speaker 1: think already, and they assume that this joke is supposed
Speaker 1: to be funny sometimes and they're just laughing because they
Speaker 1: used to laughing. You think they said this must be
Speaker 1: funny because you know the other stuff was funny, right, right,
Speaker 1: you should have sex in the middle of sex. Just
Speaker 1: tell your wife a joke like a build up and
Speaker 1: then you see it like it's it's a plant lands
Speaker 1: better right? And then if you're having sex like out
Speaker 1: of the blue, um, and she doesn't like you, go, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't have sex st yesterday, so how
Speaker 1: could exactly that's exactly? Yeah, exactly, that's really funny. It's exactly.
Speaker 1: That was good. That's why you get paid the big box,
Speaker 1: haven't it? Um? Okay, So now we're at the pinata party,
Speaker 1: um rest of all moving for the ten dollars worth
Speaker 1: of moving towards the pinyada. That was actually I had
Speaker 1: to say, I thought that was a very good idea
Speaker 1: for desperate women, you know, desperate women that live on
Speaker 1: the Upper east Side. Yeah, and so for wealthy desperate women.
Speaker 1: You know, I was proud of myself to put like
Speaker 1: some jewelry in the middle, like the you know, the
Speaker 1: degradation of having to like go through TUTSI rolls to
Speaker 1: get a bracelet. You know likes it lets. It's Florida.
Speaker 1: You make up you can only have one each or
Speaker 1: something you know, you only have to each. I made up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just made up because I know, because
Speaker 1: I know, because Ramona, I knew she would go grabbing it.
Speaker 1: In fact, off camera, Ramona there was another pair of
Speaker 1: earrings that I knew hadn't been found, and I was like,
Speaker 1: where's that pair of earrings? And Ramona was hoarding an
Speaker 1: extra item from she took. You have no idea she
Speaker 1: took from someone else and she lost a shoe. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was hysterical. So I'm surprised that I I didn't hit
Speaker 1: each other with the up sticks. I know that should
Speaker 1: have happened. In fact, um, it's the finales when they
Speaker 1: try to piece everything together. Did um, do you like
Speaker 1: my hair better long or short? I liked it short.
Speaker 1: I did too. I was shocked at that particular episode.
Speaker 1: I didn't mind it short. I might have to do
Speaker 1: it again. I I don't have a good in my mind.
Speaker 1: I have a bad memory it. But in that episode
Speaker 1: it felt pretty like sharp and sleep. But by the way,
Speaker 1: by the way, if you I've learned this, if you're
Speaker 1: let's say I have a girlfriend or whomever, and this happened.
Speaker 1: That girl I was telling about. She came home one
Speaker 1: day and her hair was almost like a you know,
Speaker 1: it's almost looked like mine right now. She cut that short.
Speaker 1: And you know that means they are ready for change.
Speaker 1: They want to change in their lives. Let may start
Speaker 1: with the hair. Oh interesting, Okay, that's funny. That's one
Speaker 1: analysis of it. Anyway, I like it. At that time
Speaker 1: when I got that haircut, I was ready for change.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. It was a moment um. Also, my
Speaker 1: my my jump suit was inappropriately revealing and my boob
Speaker 1: was popping up. But I thought, yeah, yeah, I noticed
Speaker 1: that the most provocatiately dressed at that party, and of
Speaker 1: like my whole housewife's career, I've never worn something like that.
Speaker 1: I just look like I like it. I nailed it,
Speaker 1: but it was it was almost the wheels were almost
Speaker 1: coming off, yeah the way, Yeah, the wheels were coming out.
Speaker 1: So Jules, they're divorced now, nasty, nasty divorce. Louanne and
Speaker 1: Tom divorced now, Ramona divorced from the guy that cheated
Speaker 1: on her, and sonja Um divorced from a Morgan like
Speaker 1: a grandson of JP Morgan. So uh. And Carol still
Speaker 1: friends with but not with that younger man that she
Speaker 1: was with on that like a little step and repeat. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was going through a gnarly like a gnarly decade long,
Speaker 1: decade long on a two year marriage divorce. And I
Speaker 1: when they said that the divorce was over, it was
Speaker 1: funny because I thought to myself, it was only really recently,
Speaker 1: just over. But at that point it was legally custody
Speaker 1: wise and monetarily over. But I went back in for
Speaker 1: custody and it's been it was a decade long nightmare, nightmare.
Speaker 1: So at that point that was like one gauntlet I
Speaker 1: had gotten through. I don't even think guy had gotten
Speaker 1: through the custody portion. I think that was just a
Speaker 1: financial portion. So what a nightmare? One nightmare? Divorces a nightmare.
Speaker 1: There's nothing that compares to it, Like it's just a nightmare,
Speaker 1: especially if you have a kid. To your point about
Speaker 1: the people that you know that you were wondering if
Speaker 1: they should get married, Um, fundamental differences are very critical
Speaker 1: in a relationship, Like meaning, Paul, my fiancee likes to
Speaker 1: go to bed very early, and it's actually a good
Speaker 1: influence on me because it makes me go to bed earlier.
Speaker 1: My body, you know, stays away longer than his. But
Speaker 1: he's like tired early and he's real, you know, mellow
Speaker 1: energy and I'm obviously not. But that is not something
Speaker 1: I call fundamental. That's more like habitual. Fundamental is like
Speaker 1: the things you find funny, like who you are as
Speaker 1: a person, your goal set, you know, your vibe with family,
Speaker 1: or like having guests at your house, like are you
Speaker 1: a person with the party all the time or you
Speaker 1: in homebody? Like religion, you know, culture. So I feel
Speaker 1: fundamental differences are massive in in relationship, and I want
Speaker 1: to know what you think about that. Well, I totally
Speaker 1: agree with you. My my wife was a better early too. Um,
Speaker 1: when I'm more laid back, I'll go to bed early,
Speaker 1: just so we have that companionship, and then i'll get up.
Speaker 1: I'll get up with Jesus sleep, and I'll get a
Speaker 1: lot of work done and do the things I want
Speaker 1: to do. But but yeah, I mean, I I agree.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that are that you need
Speaker 1: to have in common. You know, I was a vegetarian
Speaker 1: when I met my wife, and she wasn't. She was
Speaker 1: from the South, so that would be a fundamental right
Speaker 1: going to better early as a habit, and I would
Speaker 1: call being a vegetarian and then someone who loves animals
Speaker 1: and hunting, that would be a fundamental difference. I want
Speaker 1: to hear about that, right, right. And I never pressed
Speaker 1: on her to change, and but she just saw the
Speaker 1: way eight and she saw it was healthier, and she
Speaker 1: changed on her own. You know, I was never somebody
Speaker 1: who was telling anybody wanted to eat. But also I think,
Speaker 1: and I've been telling people this that if you want
Speaker 1: to have a good marriage, I find that if you
Speaker 1: um from the same background, if you've had a good
Speaker 1: relationship with your family, and they haven't. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of issues there. There's a lot of issues and so
Speaker 1: you know, I always ask people when they're about to
Speaker 1: get married, and so you guys, you guys both like
Speaker 1: your your family and your parents. And somebody will say,
Speaker 1: oh I hate my mother, I hate and then the
Speaker 1: other person I love. My mind, you know what I
Speaker 1: think good look absolutely, and you know, or something you
Speaker 1: have to really work on. It's true, like my challenges
Speaker 1: in my childhood, um, or something I really have to
Speaker 1: work on and intervene in in a relationship with someone
Speaker 1: whose parents have been married for over fifty years, you know. Um,
Speaker 1: but there are these It's funny, like we are true,
Speaker 1: true to the core homebodies. We will venture out sometimes
Speaker 1: and do things and I'll do it. It's always if
Speaker 1: I have to do it for work. There's literally there's
Speaker 1: almost literally no exception. Um. Those types of things come
Speaker 1: up all the time. Like if I've been in relationship
Speaker 1: to people that want to go out all the time
Speaker 1: and want to go out and big groups all the
Speaker 1: time and go on group vacations all the time, and
Speaker 1: it's it's like asking a dog to be a cat
Speaker 1: for me. You kind of you know, what I mean,
Speaker 1: you want to, you want to be able to. You
Speaker 1: can be opposite, but it has to be that the
Speaker 1: person can really be who they who they are. That
Speaker 1: would make me who I'm not um And I think
Speaker 1: about the fact that funny though, because Tom and Lamb
Speaker 1: were very similar, because they had a lot of fundamental similarities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that maybe that made her more for giving
Speaker 1: to him. Maybe you know her, I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And maybe she's had an affair before that she's never
Speaker 1: talked to. Maybe that's another episode. Oh well, definitely, yes,
Speaker 1: and another relationship. But yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what else? What I was thinking that, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, people meet and they just they're wondering, you know,
Speaker 1: are they good for each other? And as a friend,
Speaker 1: you're wondering that. I come to, you know from line
Speaker 1: relationships and you know, I have a son now and
Speaker 1: I want him to be with somebody that's that we
Speaker 1: really like and it's good for him. And sometimes you're young,
Speaker 1: you're just doing it for the looks. You're looking for her,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody that turns you down. With them looks,
Speaker 1: you're not thinking about their values and their morals and
Speaker 1: what they believe. In life and and so I you know,
Speaker 1: I became a real believer and arranged marriages. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: by the way, I agree because we have the experience.
Speaker 1: We know we could see it because we're not. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, but you should give like you could have
Speaker 1: your own version of the bachelor. I'm explained to you.
Speaker 1: My assistant is twice years old. She met her, she
Speaker 1: met her um. They're they're not engaged. Her boyfriends they've
Speaker 1: been together four years. She met him at her in
Speaker 1: college and they got more serious during the pandemic. And
Speaker 1: they both had houses in Florida. So the parents all
Speaker 1: got to be close. The parents, all four of them
Speaker 1: are best friends, talk every day. The parents talk to
Speaker 1: the other kids. It's literally like an arrangement. It's like
Speaker 1: two families. It's very game of Thrones, but everybody likes
Speaker 1: everybody and it actually it would be more enriching to
Speaker 1: your life too, Like you love your son's wife's family.
Speaker 1: You guys, you have a new friend, you know, someone
Speaker 1: to go on your hikes with. You could do caricatures
Speaker 1: of them, like you know, it's like a whole thing.
Speaker 1: You should work on that, like get started now, like
Speaker 1: get like ten good candidates and do your own internal
Speaker 1: reality show like that. But the problem with both sets
Speaker 1: of parents liking your your partner is if you ever
Speaker 1: break up, they're all gonna getting up on you. And also,
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say the parents get competitive
Speaker 1: because they want the kids to come to their house.
Speaker 1: But then everybody could do it together. They go on
Speaker 1: family vacation. See, I'm lucky because when you're doing the
Speaker 1: like holiday negotiation, I have a lot of chips to
Speaker 1: put in because I'm like, I said it to Paul yesterday,
Speaker 1: and I did the calendar because I have my daughter
Speaker 1: and when I have her and when I don't in
Speaker 1: my business, And I said, I did the calendar big
Speaker 1: ticket items. Thanksgiving we're with your parents. Christmas we're with
Speaker 1: your parents, like big gifts here. So if there's other
Speaker 1: things that people want from us, we're starting from an
Speaker 1: advantageous point, Like I'm like, okay, so now we're get
Speaker 1: you know, we'll get our putting in a lot of
Speaker 1: chips in the beginning, so if we make mistakes later,
Speaker 1: people can't get really mad at us. So we give
Speaker 1: you know, Easter or something forget it. So so when
Speaker 1: you don't have two families fighting for the holidays. That
Speaker 1: one person, you know, has a lot easier, you know,
Speaker 1: like he doesn't have to split and tell his parents
Speaker 1: he's got to come to my family for the holidays.
Speaker 1: He gets to say to his parents, will coming to
Speaker 1: you for everything. So that's a big gift. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when you have your spouse that doesn't want
Speaker 1: to go to your house for a holiday, I mean
Speaker 1: that's the beginning of the downfall. Totally, totally yes, And
Speaker 1: you realize when nobody's asking about your spouse, how are
Speaker 1: they doing? You know, yes, yes, Luann is in the
Speaker 1: party and we are literally not talking about her or
Speaker 1: Tom at all. And she comes over and is entirely paranoid. Understandable,
Speaker 1: you're on a reality show. There are cameras. When you
Speaker 1: see a group of people talking, they're usually talking about
Speaker 1: you if you're not the one in the group. And
Speaker 1: then it turns and she wonders why I had all
Speaker 1: of this information and why I'm so interested in her life,
Speaker 1: And you see this thing snapped to the other side
Speaker 1: where it's like, don't be interested in my life. And
Speaker 1: that was a lightbulb moment in my life of like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're the one who doesn't want to know, right, because
Speaker 1: my friends are not that. My best friends are not
Speaker 1: the one who doesn't want to know, like they're the
Speaker 1: ones who want to know. Um. It's almost like when
Speaker 1: somebody um doesn't want to go get a physical because
Speaker 1: there they don't want to know what's growing inside of them,
Speaker 1: you know, they just avoid it. I don't want to
Speaker 1: go theyn't want to talk about it. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people like that. They don't want to they
Speaker 1: want to find out that they have colon cancer, so
Speaker 1: they rather not even go. So you're laying in bed
Speaker 1: with your wife and you're telling her about the fact
Speaker 1: that someone's cheating. Is she going to be like, who
Speaker 1: which of you is saying tell them? And which of
Speaker 1: you is saying stay the funk out of it? Well
Speaker 1: with my wife, you know, or what would you are
Speaker 1: you to stay out of it or you would tell?
Speaker 1: Would you tell you leave it alone and ignore it? Well,
Speaker 1: my wife is more of the you know, honestly, be honest,
Speaker 1: be transparent with everything, and I'm probably more of the
Speaker 1: other way. You know, it's none of my business, you know,
Speaker 1: find out or maybe I'll have somebody else to tell them.
Speaker 1: You would have told Ramona to tell you would have
Speaker 1: stayed out of it. Yeah. Yeah. Or if I knew Selbany,
Speaker 1: I knew somebody who gossip a lot, I would tell
Speaker 1: that person. Yes, But you had the winning strategy, which
Speaker 1: was to tell Tom that was that was great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was genius. I want to go back and ask
Speaker 1: them if we can reshoot that scene. Um so so
Speaker 1: I um so, I stay fine, I see him doing
Speaker 1: something in the street, I will not say it, and
Speaker 1: then that's the end. So um there, there you have it.
Speaker 1: I mean, so, so, what was your rose of this
Speaker 1: episode and what was your thorn? Well, the thorn was,
Speaker 1: of course that Tom. You know that thorn was that
Speaker 1: how she wouldn't confront him and or wouldn't break up
Speaker 1: with him. That the rose was how everybody supported her
Speaker 1: or tried to support her, and how much you know
Speaker 1: passion you have for it because you just totally, you know,
Speaker 1: told her. Then you took consequences. It's funny that you
Speaker 1: say that. I think one of the reasons it's rated
Speaker 1: so well and was a good episode because I've watched
Speaker 1: back on other episodes of other cities and they don't
Speaker 1: they don't hold up time wise as much, I thought
Speaker 1: it was a good episode because I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was fake support. There's a lot of fake support on
Speaker 1: house as I'm supporting you to support your girlfriend's girls,
Speaker 1: supporting women and women stick toket. I did feel that
Speaker 1: it was genuine from everyone I did. Oh, what about
Speaker 1: the fact that Tom I remember this, Sorry everybody, this
Speaker 1: is behind BTS. I was on the phone with Dorinda.
Speaker 1: I remember laying in my bed in my apartment and
Speaker 1: her calling me, and it's usually it's like it's like
Speaker 1: rats or roaches in the city. You see one and
Speaker 1: they're really a thousand underneath. So what Dorinda said on
Speaker 1: television about Tom telling her this is how it's going
Speaker 1: to play out. She was on the phone with me.
Speaker 1: I remember in the morning saying to me, because she
Speaker 1: was good friends with them, she set them up. So
Speaker 1: because she was set up, she felt like she was
Speaker 1: sort of part of their relationship, Like she'd go out
Speaker 1: with them for drinks a lot and hang out and
Speaker 1: they were all a group. So because she was getting
Speaker 1: all the credit for setting, you know, the layne up
Speaker 1: with her fiance, and then all of a sudden, pendulum
Speaker 1: swings and she's the devil for doing it. But she
Speaker 1: called me and said Tom was like you basically no
Speaker 1: if you don't, because he wanted her to cover it
Speaker 1: up and make it like it didn't happen, or like
Speaker 1: I was lying or the restaurant was lying. They wanted
Speaker 1: to get the Weiter in on it. They really wanted
Speaker 1: to do a whole cover up job. And because they're
Speaker 1: good friends of Arenda, it was like, you are not
Speaker 1: our friend, and you will not be invited to the wedding.
Speaker 1: What about that scandal, Yeah, I mean it just it
Speaker 1: just breeds and breaths more scandals. Like you said, you
Speaker 1: see one route, you know, it's a lot around right.
Speaker 1: I can't believe he wanted it. Yeah, he wasn't willing
Speaker 1: to just come correct. Think about that. He's on television
Speaker 1: now and he's going to be on the show again
Speaker 1: with Luanne getting married, knowing that American knows he cheated
Speaker 1: on her, and I just don't care. No, obviously he
Speaker 1: doesn't care. I mean he doesn't care about a lot
Speaker 1: of things. He doesn't care about, you know, Luanne's feelings.
Speaker 1: He's just kind of selfish. He's just out for himself,
Speaker 1: and that's why the marriage didn't last that long. You know,
Speaker 1: they got divorced. He was just trying to he was
Speaker 1: trying to take a pressure off himself. He don't want
Speaker 1: to get married. He's just trying to save face, right.
Speaker 1: I believe that he didn't want to get married, and
Speaker 1: you know, he probably had He probably had a couple
Speaker 1: of girls on the side, and that was just the
Speaker 1: one they caught him with, right, Because I know, if
Speaker 1: you knew Tom like I knew Tom, Yeah, it's about
Speaker 1: It's about damn Tom. Um, it's about damn Tom. I
Speaker 1: would be worried if I was Tom and I knew
Speaker 1: all those housewives are getting together and talking about me
Speaker 1: and trash and uh, you know, um sizing me up.
Speaker 1: I would be really worried. But that's because you are
Speaker 1: who you are. Some people who have that charming faue charming.
Speaker 1: They like to be relevant, even if it's that And
Speaker 1: because you know, he's not a model or anything, and
Speaker 1: he's marginally wealthy, very margin so so he you know,
Speaker 1: likes a little bit of the the shine people talking
Speaker 1: aboutim and the fact that someone would even call him
Speaker 1: a player, it usually has to be you know that
Speaker 1: that probably that's what I'm saying it's a compliment for
Speaker 1: that guy to be called the player. So I feel
Speaker 1: like guys, and there's another one. It's another breed. There's
Speaker 1: another guy, his name is Tom. And there's another one, Harry.
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, when are we gonna get
Speaker 1: a dick? But we have a lot of dick. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of there's a lot of dick on
Speaker 1: this show. But there's another guy named Harry and he
Speaker 1: was the same. He liked to be housewives Adjason in
Speaker 1: some scene and like be the butt of a joke
Speaker 1: a little bit, didn't matter, mind it. It's a strange
Speaker 1: and some money, but not a ton like this whole
Speaker 1: strange little subculture of these guys in New York. Stay
Speaker 1: away from that, and this weird group of women that
Speaker 1: actually like that because it feels like some sort of
Speaker 1: Upper East Side micro fandom. It's weird, but anyway, there's
Speaker 1: a thing with that. And they're all hang out at
Speaker 1: the Regency. So yeah, it's in the hotel. It's a
Speaker 1: Lows Regency hotel and it's the restaurant and bar, which
Speaker 1: where a lot of people do power lunches and breakfasts.
Speaker 1: In particular because it's up in the sixties on Madison,
Speaker 1: like not far from everything. Um, we're ne're all like
Speaker 1: the you know, the finance offices are and that was
Speaker 1: like one of the watering holes on the Upper east Side.
Speaker 1: It's just like Desperado divorces. Yeah, like it's I don't ever,
Speaker 1: I literally go to l A more than I go
Speaker 1: to the Upper east Side. That's an absolute fact. That's
Speaker 1: not an exaggeration. That's a literal fact. Um. So which
Speaker 1: housewife are you? Well, I'm not you because you were
Speaker 1: too you were too aggressive, and you know, I would
Speaker 1: probably be the straw that stirred the drink a little bit,
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't be confrontationial, but I would stir it
Speaker 1: up a little bit, Like yeah, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: great yeah. Because Sonya is like saying, making a couple
Speaker 1: of comments. She let us know she dated Tom. She
Speaker 1: let us if she was in the mix, but like
Speaker 1: stepped back a little bit. We knew that she was
Speaker 1: sort of in there. She was the straw stirring the
Speaker 1: drink at all. Fascinating. All right, well what did you think?
Speaker 1: What did you think at the show? Well, like I said,
Speaker 1: I've never watched the Housewives before, and uh, and so
Speaker 1: I kind of saw what the hooplos about. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of drama, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of different personalities, and you know, I liked it.
Speaker 1: I liked it. Um, now I have to follow this episode.
Speaker 1: Now I have to follow the storyline if I know
Speaker 1: what happened. Damn you I'm sorry. Did you laugh? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah I did laugh. And also very analytical. It's like
Speaker 1: when I watch a comedian. Um, I know they're funny,
Speaker 1: and sometimes I don't laugh at them for ture, but
Speaker 1: I know it's funny, but I'm analyzing or I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be one step ahead enough to see what they're
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, like how they're crafting it or
Speaker 1: anything like that. But yeah, I really didn't like that
Speaker 1: because I know you. It's fun to watch it, you know,
Speaker 1: to see what you're doing. Well. I appreciate that. It's
Speaker 1: funny that you're probably the first person in your household
Speaker 1: to watch The house was you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: people watch it, and a lot of people watch it,
Speaker 1: I know how of course it's been on for so long,
Speaker 1: so people like it. You're the best. I appreciate so
Speaker 1: much you doing this. Um so what are you working on? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: I have a couple of things. The first, thank you
Speaker 1: for asking me. Of course, these paintings behind me. These
Speaker 1: are paintings I've done caricatures because i love drawing caricatures,
Speaker 1: and I've only started getting into it in the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, really going full full, you know, full
Speaker 1: power that. And then I got a book deal to
Speaker 1: put these characters and the caricatures in a book and
Speaker 1: then opposite page and doodle and abote about them, and um,
Speaker 1: you know how my experience with them when I met them,
Speaker 1: or if I didn't meet them, like Freddie Mercury or something,
Speaker 1: but I just talked about music and going to concerts
Speaker 1: and things like that. So it's called exaggerate my brushes
Speaker 1: with fame. I love that. That's like a quadruple on Tendra.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean I've got a whole like wall
Speaker 1: here full of them, you know, Oh, just great passion.
Speaker 1: That's also that's so amazing. Yeah, I love I'm so
Speaker 1: excited about it, and people seem to be excited. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going on a book tour soon. And my
Speaker 1: other project is my h have a hiking show. As
Speaker 1: you know, Ethany and I hike with a different celebrity
Speaker 1: every week. Great guests lined up. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: when you start hiking out in the outside and there's
Speaker 1: no audience and it's just the two of you. I
Speaker 1: do it on a self expect People are really forthcoming
Speaker 1: and revealing, and you know, I hear some pretty good
Speaker 1: stories that I don't think they would tell on a
Speaker 1: regular talk show. Really, I love that. How many Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, how many characatures have you drawn? And
Speaker 1: then I don't know how many people you've hyped with characters.
Speaker 1: In my book, there's probably about sixty sixty caricatures, but
Speaker 1: I've probably done about, you know, a hundred caricatures. Will
Speaker 1: you send me a the book because I'll definitely promote
Speaker 1: it because I want to look at it. I want
Speaker 1: to look at my Paul want fiance. It will be
Speaker 1: obsessed with it too, especially the music stuff. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I will absolutely promote it for you. I'd love it,
Speaker 1: but it would great And also like it's a craft
Speaker 1: that nobody else has like you do, So it's where
Speaker 1: to do something that no one else knows how to do.
Speaker 1: That's what I that's what I find the most interesting
Speaker 1: about it. Other people know how to do caricatures, and
Speaker 1: some of them might spread it under heat, but I
Speaker 1: just like doing it. It's like with the hiking thing.
Speaker 1: It's not like I got a big contract to do it.
Speaker 1: I don't even get paid for the hiking thing. No,
Speaker 1: but not anybody could do a character. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are people who do it. There are people
Speaker 1: that also, you know, can make balloon animals and juggle,
Speaker 1: but but not that many people can do this, So
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Animals was my second choice. Okay, we'll do
Speaker 1: balloon animal books of these people and then write a
Speaker 1: out them. That could be the next time h