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Speaker 1: Today, It's all about Tom. In this episode, I'm reliving

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Speaker 1: one of my biggest internal conflicts on the Housewives, whether

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Speaker 1: or not to tell the Wanne that her fiance Tom

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Speaker 1: was caught kissing another woman. This was a Sophie's choice,

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Speaker 1: the messengers getting shot. You're damned if you do, You're

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Speaker 1: damned if you don't, And it brings up the major

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Speaker 1: question would you want to know? As a result, I

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Speaker 1: have a pretty hilarious breakdown, so I needed to bring

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Speaker 1: on someone just as hilarious. Joining me on today's episode

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Speaker 1: is comedian and SNL alum Kevin Nealon. You'll be shocked

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Speaker 1: to hear who he identifies with. Let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: I'm so freaget excited right now. I can't even I've

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Speaker 1: been like thinking in my head. But the first time

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Speaker 1: I was in say to you and um, so I

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Speaker 1: love First of all, I love you, and I was

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Speaker 1: just thinking, like, what are we we? How do we

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Speaker 1: define our relationship? Like Kevin was on so nice to

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Speaker 1: do that like gift talk show practice, and then I

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Speaker 1: be And I feel like if best friends are a

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Speaker 1: ten and people who don't know each other are zero?

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Speaker 1: What are we? Well, honestly, I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: respect for you. I have a lot of respect for

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Speaker 1: you because how just how complete you are. You're just

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Speaker 1: you're such a business woman, you're a great actress, um,

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Speaker 1: you're you're a fun person to be with, beautiful, and

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Speaker 1: so i'd say we're like, I don't know, maybe you're

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Speaker 1: well because we don't hang out all the time, I'd

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Speaker 1: say maybe we're set a point nine. Jesus Christ, you're

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Speaker 1: like me. You don't have that ment. You have few

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Speaker 1: people that you like, really dig. That's why you said that.

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Speaker 1: I like that. Well that's pretty good. Yeah, well no,

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Speaker 1: then I might invite you to my and the next

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Speaker 1: time I have a birthday party, which happens like every decade.

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Speaker 1: I'm now I'm putting on it's about it's actually never well,

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Speaker 1: I have to be totally transparent. I don't watch a

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Speaker 1: lot of TV. I've never seen a Bachelor, I've never

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Speaker 1: seen any of that Housewives set for my wife and

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Speaker 1: h and I watched it the episode they sent me,

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Speaker 1: and I was watching here for the first time. I'm going, okay,

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Speaker 1: something improblem going on, you know, maybe they're kind of

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Speaker 1: watch the dynamics of it. Well. I it's funny because

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Speaker 1: when I was talking to my partners at I Heart,

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Speaker 1: should be Housewives fans, And I'm like, there's so much

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Muss is a fan of some so there is

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Speaker 1: absolutely no um no, one has to have seen the housewivestort,

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Speaker 1: and so I like that because it's fresh. You're just

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Speaker 1: not on like a soap opera or tele novella, that

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Speaker 1: or do you not feel like that? Yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that's totally true. I watched it twice. Actually I watched

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Speaker 1: I watched the episode twice. The first time I watched it,

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Speaker 1: don't know any of these other people. Um, okay, she's

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Speaker 1: the one that got cheated on, you know. And then I, um,

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Speaker 1: to go back and watch Game of Thrones again. Oh yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: think that that I realized as a concept for financial reasons,

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Speaker 1: you something I relate mostly with Luanne. Wow. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why. Because I had a girlfriend cheated

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Speaker 1: think he took the relationship seriously. Well, you have to

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Speaker 1: And I know a lot of gay relationships like that too.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, that's a different story, but that's

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Speaker 1: an unspoken agreement that I get. Like, that's a different

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Speaker 1: you know. But you know, here's the thing. I was

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Speaker 1: That's why it's different than you. That's why I thought

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Speaker 1: it's different because also there's a woman at a certain

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Speaker 1: And she'd be like, why are you guys shooting? I

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00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: want to be like, I can't imagine that would have

426
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Speaker 1: been The producers would be too lazy for that. But

427
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: that's a superb idea. I should have waited all weekend

428
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: and then. But they like things to bust out like

429
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 1: a pinata on the trips as you saw later the pinata.

430
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I like, that's a thank you for

431
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 1: coming into this prepared, Kevin. That was a very good

432
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 1: That's I didn't even think of that, Okay, oh yeah,

433
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm like Elizabeth Mosty, I didn't realize how much resources

434
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: would I haven't take night courses on this two. You

435
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: could do a side she already asked. Right after she did,

436
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 1: she asked she could do it again like she love

437
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 1: you guys could do a side podcast on it, like

438
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: you could do behind the scenes of the behind the

439
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 1: scenes up after Dark Waves. I watched the interview when

440
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: I said, uh, like I dropped this bomb, but like

441
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 1: I want to I want to go back on my

442
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: merry way, like I okay, get out of my like

443
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: I told you, like I did what I was supposed

444
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:49,159
Speaker 1: to do. I told I don't want to be like

445
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: in this now with you in the room, like with

446
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: you and Tom and the thing. You know, this is

447
00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,719
Speaker 1: the quintessential shoot the messenger. Is this not oh totally totally.

448
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 1: It's putting the blame of the wrong with the person.

449
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's the blame should be on Tom.

450
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: Yet she puts it on you again. She's deflecting because

451
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to believe that Tom would have an affair.

452
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: I mean, look at all excuses she had. Well it's

453
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: not timestamp. How do we know what data this was?

454
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: And how do we know you know, is that really calm?

455
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: And this could have been like a year ago. Right now,

456
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: I'm defending myself. Right now, I'm defending myself and now

457
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: you and then you you bathing that guilt for a

458
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 1: long time. But you know, maybe you shouldn't have told her,

459
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, like I said, I thought

460
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,479
Speaker 1: you were the one who got dumped from the beginning,

461
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: who got cheat that's crazy from your perspective. Let's hear

462
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: about the characters, like your first instinct about each character

463
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: and how how they responded, how they reacted, and what

464
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 1: you thought of them. Well, you know, I know that

465
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: that is that is a strategy, as some people happen to.

466
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,120
Speaker 1: Can't help it, you know, when you know, when you're

467
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: you feel horrible, and then they start talking about how

468
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: they got cheated on, and all of a sudden it

469
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: becomes about them, right right, So and I find myself

470
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: doing that too, the only because I don't know how to,

471
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, console somebody who's had a tragedy in their life,

472
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: like somebody said, uh, oh, you know my my parents

473
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: died and I feel horrid about it. I love them

474
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, I remember why parents died. I am

475
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: you know, I still feel like right here and you know,

476
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's all about you. And I

477
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: think that was her Ramona's you know, unknowing strategy. Yeah.

478
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that's an incorrect strategy, because

479
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think it does make someone feel better

480
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: that someone else has cheated on after twenty five years,

481
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: you know publicly and that it's so funny how page

482
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: six comes up so many times in the show too,

483
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be you had to hear about it

484
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: on page six. You know, it's not even the near post. No, right,

485
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 1: did you think that Luam was overly focused on the

486
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: court of public opinion? Yeah, this is around that's interesting

487
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: to me around town. Yeah, it's get around. Everybody knows

488
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: it's around the city. But ultimately she didn't care. She

489
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: ended up marrying Tom. Right, She ended up marrying Tom

490
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: and ended up divorcing Tom shortly thereafter. I was the

491
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, here's the thing. It happened again later before

492
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: they got married. I was always the most vocal one

493
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: on the show in general, there was a girl, Um,

494
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: you were the most vocal one about. But about like

495
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: there was years ago, there was this woman that I

496
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: was like, no, she's not okay, Like it's not she's not,

497
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: I kept saying. And I felt like I was on

498
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: Three's company and I was in the other room, and

499
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,199
Speaker 1: like things were happening that no one could see, and

500
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: then everyone, you know, cut to the other room and

501
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: all the crazy stuff that happened. But no one saw.

502
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 1: It was like the tree fell and no one heard it.

503
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 1: So with this sometimes it will take several seasons, like

504
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: in life, several years where you've said something and then

505
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: you get vindication. It could be and in you know

506
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 1: a parent in law that thinks the son shouldn't marry someone.

507
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,479
Speaker 1: They see the writing on the wall, and you're screaming,

508
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: you're jumping up and down. And I guess that's a question.

509
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: How does everybody have to learn for themselves because it

510
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: seems like a long, expensive, exhausting lesson. How do you

511
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: really convey to someone that there are a d going

512
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: down the wrong road, like there was no doubt in

513
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: my mind. There's other scenes months and years later, Mee

514
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: saying to her, No, this guy's a bad guy. No,

515
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: don't do this. Yeah, well, that's that's the peril you

516
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: put yourself into. If you start taking sides and then

517
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: they get together. What kind of relationship can you have

518
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: with that person? Again, if I found out that three

519
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: significant people in my life I felt the same way

520
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 1: about somebody, I think I would listen, that's my problem. Yeah,

521
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: I never had that in my In my marriage, it

522
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 1: was only one person that thought significantly that like that

523
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: it was a mistake and somebody else who didn't mention

524
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: until later. So I guess people have to subtly mention

525
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: it so we can get this map going. Three people

526
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: have to say it. Yeah. My wife is my most

527
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: significant person in my life, and if I come up

528
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: with a joke for my end up, I'll run it

529
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: by her. And I mean, I think it's a really

530
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: great joke. We should go. I don't know. And then

531
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: in my head I'm thinking, you'll see, I'll show you

532
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: I got stage, and I do it and sometimes it

533
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: gets a laugh, other times it doesn't. I'll come back

534
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: on that. You're right, You're right, that's so funny. Right,

535
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: you did it with three people. Three people thought it

536
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: wasn't funny. There's no way it's actually funny, that's right.

537
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: And why do I even ask her if I'm not

538
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: going to listen to her, you know, And I think, oh, well,

539
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: I'm the comedian. I've had over forty years of experience

540
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: on the stage. What do you know? Well, how did

541
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: she add over forty years experience laughing the audience? Probably

542
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: more than that? Yeah, Um, that's interesting though. Yeah, And

543
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: also yeah, but you're probably delivering it differently to her?

544
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: Do you deliver your jokes differently to her than you

545
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: do want? So we were very dry anyway, Like meaning,

546
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: what's how do you deliver a joke of sam where

547
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: you're going to do it on stage to your wife

548
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: at home? Well, first of all, this joke comes out

549
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: of nowhere at home, it's just like, hey, you want

550
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: to hear listen to my stage. I have a long

551
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: build up to it. They get my style and I

552
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: think already, and they assume that this joke is supposed

553
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: to be funny sometimes and they're just laughing because they

554
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: used to laughing. You think they said this must be

555
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 1: funny because you know the other stuff was funny, right, right,

556
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: you should have sex in the middle of sex. Just

557
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: tell your wife a joke like a build up and

558
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: then you see it like it's it's a plant lands

559
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: better right? And then if you're having sex like out

560
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: of the blue, um, and she doesn't like you, go, well,

561
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't have sex st yesterday, so how

562
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: could exactly that's exactly? Yeah, exactly, that's really funny. It's exactly.

563
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: That was good. That's why you get paid the big box,

564
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: haven't it? Um? Okay, So now we're at the pinata party,

565
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: um rest of all moving for the ten dollars worth

566
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: of moving towards the pinyada. That was actually I had

567
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: to say, I thought that was a very good idea

568
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: for desperate women, you know, desperate women that live on

569
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: the Upper east Side. Yeah, and so for wealthy desperate women.

570
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: You know, I was proud of myself to put like

571
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: some jewelry in the middle, like the you know, the

572
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: degradation of having to like go through TUTSI rolls to

573
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: get a bracelet. You know likes it lets. It's Florida.

574
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: You make up you can only have one each or

575
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: something you know, you only have to each. I made up.

576
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just made up because I know, because

577
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: I know, because Ramona, I knew she would go grabbing it.

578
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: In fact, off camera, Ramona there was another pair of

579
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: earrings that I knew hadn't been found, and I was like,

580
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: where's that pair of earrings? And Ramona was hoarding an

581
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: extra item from she took. You have no idea she

582
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: took from someone else and she lost a shoe. I mean,

583
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: it was hysterical. So I'm surprised that I I didn't hit

584
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: each other with the up sticks. I know that should

585
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: have happened. In fact, um, it's the finales when they

586
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: try to piece everything together. Did um, do you like

587
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: my hair better long or short? I liked it short.

588
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: I did too. I was shocked at that particular episode.

589
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: I didn't mind it short. I might have to do

590
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: it again. I I don't have a good in my mind.

591
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: I have a bad memory it. But in that episode

592
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: it felt pretty like sharp and sleep. But by the way,

593
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: by the way, if you I've learned this, if you're

594
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: let's say I have a girlfriend or whomever, and this happened.

595
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,479
Speaker 1: That girl I was telling about. She came home one

596
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: day and her hair was almost like a you know,

597
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: it's almost looked like mine right now. She cut that short.

598
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: And you know that means they are ready for change.

599
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: They want to change in their lives. Let may start

600
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: with the hair. Oh interesting, Okay, that's funny. That's one

601
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: analysis of it. Anyway, I like it. At that time

602
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: when I got that haircut, I was ready for change.

603
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. It was a moment um. Also, my

604
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: my my jump suit was inappropriately revealing and my boob

605
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: was popping up. But I thought, yeah, yeah, I noticed

606
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: that the most provocatiately dressed at that party, and of

607
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: like my whole housewife's career, I've never worn something like that.

608
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: I just look like I like it. I nailed it,

609
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: but it was it was almost the wheels were almost

610
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: coming off, yeah the way, Yeah, the wheels were coming out.

611
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: So Jules, they're divorced now, nasty, nasty divorce. Louanne and

612
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: Tom divorced now, Ramona divorced from the guy that cheated

613
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: on her, and sonja Um divorced from a Morgan like

614
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: a grandson of JP Morgan. So uh. And Carol still

615
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: friends with but not with that younger man that she

616
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: was with on that like a little step and repeat. Oh,

617
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: I was going through a gnarly like a gnarly decade long,

618
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: decade long on a two year marriage divorce. And I

619
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: when they said that the divorce was over, it was

620
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: funny because I thought to myself, it was only really recently,

621
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: just over. But at that point it was legally custody

622
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: wise and monetarily over. But I went back in for

623
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: custody and it's been it was a decade long nightmare, nightmare.

624
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: So at that point that was like one gauntlet I

625
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: had gotten through. I don't even think guy had gotten

626
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: through the custody portion. I think that was just a

627
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: financial portion. So what a nightmare? One nightmare? Divorces a nightmare.

628
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: There's nothing that compares to it, Like it's just a nightmare,

629
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: especially if you have a kid. To your point about

630
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: the people that you know that you were wondering if

631
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: they should get married, Um, fundamental differences are very critical

632
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: in a relationship, Like meaning, Paul, my fiancee likes to

633
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: go to bed very early, and it's actually a good

634
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: influence on me because it makes me go to bed earlier.

635
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: My body, you know, stays away longer than his. But

636
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: he's like tired early and he's real, you know, mellow

637
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: energy and I'm obviously not. But that is not something

638
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: I call fundamental. That's more like habitual. Fundamental is like

639
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: the things you find funny, like who you are as

640
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: a person, your goal set, you know, your vibe with family,

641
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: or like having guests at your house, like are you

642
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: a person with the party all the time or you

643
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: in homebody? Like religion, you know, culture. So I feel

644
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: fundamental differences are massive in in relationship, and I want

645
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: to know what you think about that. Well, I totally

646
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: agree with you. My my wife was a better early too. Um,

647
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: when I'm more laid back, I'll go to bed early,

648
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: just so we have that companionship, and then i'll get up.

649
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: I'll get up with Jesus sleep, and I'll get a

650
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: lot of work done and do the things I want

651
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: to do. But but yeah, I mean, I I agree.

652
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things that are that you need

653
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: to have in common. You know, I was a vegetarian

654
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: when I met my wife, and she wasn't. She was

655
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: from the South, so that would be a fundamental right

656
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: going to better early as a habit, and I would

657
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: call being a vegetarian and then someone who loves animals

658
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 1: and hunting, that would be a fundamental difference. I want

659
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: to hear about that, right, right. And I never pressed

660
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: on her to change, and but she just saw the

661
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: way eight and she saw it was healthier, and she

662
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: changed on her own. You know, I was never somebody

663
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: who was telling anybody wanted to eat. But also I think,

664
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: and I've been telling people this that if you want

665
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: to have a good marriage, I find that if you

666
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: um from the same background, if you've had a good

667
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: relationship with your family, and they haven't. There's a lot

668
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: of issues there. There's a lot of issues and so

669
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, I always ask people when they're about to

670
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: get married, and so you guys, you guys both like

671
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: your your family and your parents. And somebody will say,

672
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: oh I hate my mother, I hate and then the

673
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: other person I love. My mind, you know what I

674
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: think good look absolutely, and you know, or something you

675
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: have to really work on. It's true, like my challenges

676
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: in my childhood, um, or something I really have to

677
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: work on and intervene in in a relationship with someone

678
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: whose parents have been married for over fifty years, you know. Um,

679
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: but there are these It's funny, like we are true,

680
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: true to the core homebodies. We will venture out sometimes

681
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: and do things and I'll do it. It's always if

682
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,479
Speaker 1: I have to do it for work. There's literally there's

683
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: almost literally no exception. Um. Those types of things come

684
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: up all the time. Like if I've been in relationship

685
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: to people that want to go out all the time

686
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: and want to go out and big groups all the

687
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: time and go on group vacations all the time, and

688
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: it's it's like asking a dog to be a cat

689
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: for me. You kind of you know, what I mean,

690
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: you want to, you want to be able to. You

691
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: can be opposite, but it has to be that the

692
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: person can really be who they who they are. That

693
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: would make me who I'm not um And I think

694
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: about the fact that funny though, because Tom and Lamb

695
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: were very similar, because they had a lot of fundamental similarities. Yeah,

696
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean that maybe that made her more for giving

697
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: to him. Maybe you know her, I get it. Yeah,

698
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: And maybe she's had an affair before that she's never

699
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: talked to. Maybe that's another episode. Oh well, definitely, yes,

700
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: and another relationship. But yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, you

701
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: know what else? What I was thinking that, you know,

702
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, people meet and they just they're wondering, you know,

703
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: are they good for each other? And as a friend,

704
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: you're wondering that. I come to, you know from line

705
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: relationships and you know, I have a son now and

706
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: I want him to be with somebody that's that we

707
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: really like and it's good for him. And sometimes you're young,

708
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 1: you're just doing it for the looks. You're looking for her,

709
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, somebody that turns you down. With them looks,

710
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: you're not thinking about their values and their morals and

711
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: what they believe. In life and and so I you know,

712
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: I became a real believer and arranged marriages. Yeah, I agree,

713
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: by the way, I agree because we have the experience.

714
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: We know we could see it because we're not. Yes,

715
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: I mean, but you should give like you could have

716
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: your own version of the bachelor. I'm explained to you.

717
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: My assistant is twice years old. She met her, she

718
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: met her um. They're they're not engaged. Her boyfriends they've

719
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: been together four years. She met him at her in

720
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: college and they got more serious during the pandemic. And

721
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: they both had houses in Florida. So the parents all

722
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: got to be close. The parents, all four of them

723
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: are best friends, talk every day. The parents talk to

724
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: the other kids. It's literally like an arrangement. It's like

725
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: two families. It's very game of Thrones, but everybody likes

726
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: everybody and it actually it would be more enriching to

727
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: your life too, Like you love your son's wife's family.

728
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: You guys, you have a new friend, you know, someone

729
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: to go on your hikes with. You could do caricatures

730
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: of them, like you know, it's like a whole thing.

731
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: You should work on that, like get started now, like

732
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: get like ten good candidates and do your own internal

733
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: reality show like that. But the problem with both sets

734
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: of parents liking your your partner is if you ever

735
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: break up, they're all gonna getting up on you. And also,

736
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: I thought you were gonna say the parents get competitive

737
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: because they want the kids to come to their house.

738
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: But then everybody could do it together. They go on

739
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: family vacation. See, I'm lucky because when you're doing the

740
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: like holiday negotiation, I have a lot of chips to

741
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: put in because I'm like, I said it to Paul yesterday,

742
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: and I did the calendar because I have my daughter

743
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: and when I have her and when I don't in

744
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: my business, And I said, I did the calendar big

745
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: ticket items. Thanksgiving we're with your parents. Christmas we're with

746
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: your parents, like big gifts here. So if there's other

747
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: things that people want from us, we're starting from an

748
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: advantageous point, Like I'm like, okay, so now we're get

749
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, we'll get our putting in a lot of

750
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: chips in the beginning, so if we make mistakes later,

751
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: people can't get really mad at us. So we give

752
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, Easter or something forget it. So so when

753
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: you don't have two families fighting for the holidays. That

754
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: one person, you know, has a lot easier, you know,

755
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: like he doesn't have to split and tell his parents

756
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: he's got to come to my family for the holidays.

757
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: He gets to say to his parents, will coming to

758
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: you for everything. So that's a big gift. Oh yeah, yeah,

759
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: I mean when you have your spouse that doesn't want

760
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: to go to your house for a holiday, I mean

761
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: that's the beginning of the downfall. Totally, totally yes, And

762
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: you realize when nobody's asking about your spouse, how are

763
00:38:45,600 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: they doing? You know, yes, yes, Luann is in the

764
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: party and we are literally not talking about her or

765
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: Tom at all. And she comes over and is entirely paranoid. Understandable,

766
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: you're on a reality show. There are cameras. When you

767
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 1: see a group of people talking, they're usually talking about

768
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: you if you're not the one in the group. And

769
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: then it turns and she wonders why I had all

770
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: of this information and why I'm so interested in her life,

771
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: And you see this thing snapped to the other side

772
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: where it's like, don't be interested in my life. And

773
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: that was a lightbulb moment in my life of like, oh,

774
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: you're the one who doesn't want to know, right, because

775
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: my friends are not that. My best friends are not

776
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: the one who doesn't want to know, like they're the

777
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,919
Speaker 1: ones who want to know. Um. It's almost like when

778
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 1: somebody um doesn't want to go get a physical because

779
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: there they don't want to know what's growing inside of them,

780
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: you know, they just avoid it. I don't want to

781
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 1: go theyn't want to talk about it. I know a

782
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: lot of people like that. They don't want to they

783
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: want to find out that they have colon cancer, so

784
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: they rather not even go. So you're laying in bed

785
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: with your wife and you're telling her about the fact

786
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: that someone's cheating. Is she going to be like, who

787
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: which of you is saying tell them? And which of

788
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: you is saying stay the funk out of it? Well

789
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: with my wife, you know, or what would you are

790
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: you to stay out of it or you would tell?

791
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: Would you tell you leave it alone and ignore it? Well,

792
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: my wife is more of the you know, honestly, be honest,

793
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: be transparent with everything, and I'm probably more of the

794
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: other way. You know, it's none of my business, you know,

795
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: find out or maybe I'll have somebody else to tell them.

796
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: You would have told Ramona to tell you would have

797
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: stayed out of it. Yeah. Yeah. Or if I knew Selbany,

798
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: I knew somebody who gossip a lot, I would tell

799
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,399
Speaker 1: that person. Yes, But you had the winning strategy, which

800
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 1: was to tell Tom that was that was great. Yeah,

801
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: that was genius. I want to go back and ask

802
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: them if we can reshoot that scene. Um so so

803
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: I um so, I stay fine, I see him doing

804
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: something in the street, I will not say it, and

805
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: then that's the end. So um there, there you have it.

806
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean, so, so, what was your rose of this

807
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: episode and what was your thorn? Well, the thorn was,

808
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: of course that Tom. You know that thorn was that

809
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: how she wouldn't confront him and or wouldn't break up

810
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: with him. That the rose was how everybody supported her

811
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: or tried to support her, and how much you know

812
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: passion you have for it because you just totally, you know,

813
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: told her. Then you took consequences. It's funny that you

814
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: say that. I think one of the reasons it's rated

815
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: so well and was a good episode because I've watched

816
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: back on other episodes of other cities and they don't

817
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: they don't hold up time wise as much, I thought

818
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: it was a good episode because I didn't think it

819
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: was fake support. There's a lot of fake support on

820
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 1: house as I'm supporting you to support your girlfriend's girls,

821
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: supporting women and women stick toket. I did feel that

822
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: it was genuine from everyone I did. Oh, what about

823
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: the fact that Tom I remember this, Sorry everybody, this

824
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: is behind BTS. I was on the phone with Dorinda.

825
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: I remember laying in my bed in my apartment and

826
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: her calling me, and it's usually it's like it's like

827
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: rats or roaches in the city. You see one and

828
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: they're really a thousand underneath. So what Dorinda said on

829
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: television about Tom telling her this is how it's going

830
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: to play out. She was on the phone with me.

831
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: I remember in the morning saying to me, because she

832
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: was good friends with them, she set them up. So

833
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: because she was set up, she felt like she was

834
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: sort of part of their relationship, Like she'd go out

835
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: with them for drinks a lot and hang out and

836
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: they were all a group. So because she was getting

837
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: all the credit for setting, you know, the layne up

838
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: with her fiance, and then all of a sudden, pendulum

839
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: swings and she's the devil for doing it. But she

840
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: called me and said Tom was like you basically no

841
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: if you don't, because he wanted her to cover it

842
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: up and make it like it didn't happen, or like

843
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: I was lying or the restaurant was lying. They wanted

844
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: to get the Weiter in on it. They really wanted

845
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: to do a whole cover up job. And because they're

846
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: good friends of Arenda, it was like, you are not

847
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: our friend, and you will not be invited to the wedding.

848
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: What about that scandal, Yeah, I mean it just it

849
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 1: just breeds and breaths more scandals. Like you said, you

850
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: see one route, you know, it's a lot around right.

851
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: I can't believe he wanted it. Yeah, he wasn't willing

852
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 1: to just come correct. Think about that. He's on television

853
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: now and he's going to be on the show again

854
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: with Luanne getting married, knowing that American knows he cheated

855
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: on her, and I just don't care. No, obviously he

856
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: doesn't care. I mean he doesn't care about a lot

857
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: of things. He doesn't care about, you know, Luanne's feelings.

858
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: He's just kind of selfish. He's just out for himself,

859
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: and that's why the marriage didn't last that long. You know,

860
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: they got divorced. He was just trying to he was

861
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: trying to take a pressure off himself. He don't want

862
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: to get married. He's just trying to save face, right.

863
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: I believe that he didn't want to get married, and

864
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, he probably had He probably had a couple

865
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: of girls on the side, and that was just the

866
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: one they caught him with, right, Because I know, if

867
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: you knew Tom like I knew Tom, Yeah, it's about

868
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: It's about damn Tom. Um, it's about damn Tom. I

869
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: would be worried if I was Tom and I knew

870
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: all those housewives are getting together and talking about me

871
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: and trash and uh, you know, um sizing me up.

872
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: I would be really worried. But that's because you are

873
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: who you are. Some people who have that charming faue charming.

874
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: They like to be relevant, even if it's that And

875
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: because you know, he's not a model or anything, and

876
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: he's marginally wealthy, very margin so so he you know,

877
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: likes a little bit of the the shine people talking

878
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: aboutim and the fact that someone would even call him

879
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: a player, it usually has to be you know that

880
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: that probably that's what I'm saying it's a compliment for

881
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: that guy to be called the player. So I feel

882
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: like guys, and there's another one. It's another breed. There's

883
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: another guy, his name is Tom. And there's another one, Harry.

884
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, when are we gonna get

885
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: a dick? But we have a lot of dick. There

886
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: were a lot of there's a lot of dick on

887
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: this show. But there's another guy named Harry and he

888
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: was the same. He liked to be housewives Adjason in

889
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: some scene and like be the butt of a joke

890
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: a little bit, didn't matter, mind it. It's a strange

891
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: and some money, but not a ton like this whole

892
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: strange little subculture of these guys in New York. Stay

893
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: away from that, and this weird group of women that

894
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: actually like that because it feels like some sort of

895
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: Upper East Side micro fandom. It's weird, but anyway, there's

896
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: a thing with that. And they're all hang out at

897
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: the Regency. So yeah, it's in the hotel. It's a

898
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: Lows Regency hotel and it's the restaurant and bar, which

899
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: where a lot of people do power lunches and breakfasts.

900
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: In particular because it's up in the sixties on Madison,

901
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: like not far from everything. Um, we're ne're all like

902
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: the you know, the finance offices are and that was

903
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: like one of the watering holes on the Upper east Side.

904
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: It's just like Desperado divorces. Yeah, like it's I don't ever,

905
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: I literally go to l A more than I go

906
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: to the Upper east Side. That's an absolute fact. That's

907
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: not an exaggeration. That's a literal fact. Um. So which

908
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: housewife are you? Well, I'm not you because you were

909
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: too you were too aggressive, and you know, I would

910
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: probably be the straw that stirred the drink a little bit,

911
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't be confrontationial, but I would stir it

912
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: up a little bit, Like yeah, that's a that's a

913
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: great yeah. Because Sonya is like saying, making a couple

914
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: of comments. She let us know she dated Tom. She

915
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: let us if she was in the mix, but like

916
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: stepped back a little bit. We knew that she was

917
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: sort of in there. She was the straw stirring the

918
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: drink at all. Fascinating. All right, well what did you think?

919
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: What did you think at the show? Well, like I said,

920
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: I've never watched the Housewives before, and uh, and so

921
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 1: I kind of saw what the hooplos about. You know,

922
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of there's a lot of drama, there's

923
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: a lot of different personalities, and you know, I liked it.

924
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: I liked it. Um, now I have to follow this episode.

925
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: Now I have to follow the storyline if I know

926
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: what happened. Damn you I'm sorry. Did you laugh? Oh?

927
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: Yeah I did laugh. And also very analytical. It's like

928
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: when I watch a comedian. Um, I know they're funny,

929
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: and sometimes I don't laugh at them for ture, but

930
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: I know it's funny, but I'm analyzing or I'm trying

931
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: to be one step ahead enough to see what they're

932
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, like how they're crafting it or

933
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: anything like that. But yeah, I really didn't like that

934
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: because I know you. It's fun to watch it, you know,

935
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: to see what you're doing. Well. I appreciate that. It's

936
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: funny that you're probably the first person in your household

937
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: to watch The house was you know, a lot of

938
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: people watch it, and a lot of people watch it,

939
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: I know how of course it's been on for so long,

940
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: so people like it. You're the best. I appreciate so

941
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: much you doing this. Um so what are you working on? Um? Well,

942
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: I have a couple of things. The first, thank you

943
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: for asking me. Of course, these paintings behind me. These

944
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: are paintings I've done caricatures because i love drawing caricatures,

945
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: and I've only started getting into it in the last

946
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: couple of years, really going full full, you know, full

947
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: power that. And then I got a book deal to

948
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: put these characters and the caricatures in a book and

949
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: then opposite page and doodle and abote about them, and um,

950
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: you know how my experience with them when I met them,

951
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: or if I didn't meet them, like Freddie Mercury or something,

952
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: but I just talked about music and going to concerts

953
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: and things like that. So it's called exaggerate my brushes

954
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: with fame. I love that. That's like a quadruple on Tendra.

955
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean I've got a whole like wall

956
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: here full of them, you know, Oh, just great passion.

957
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: That's also that's so amazing. Yeah, I love I'm so

958
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: excited about it, and people seem to be excited. I'm

959
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going on a book tour soon. And my

960
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: other project is my h have a hiking show. As

961
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, Ethany and I hike with a different celebrity

962
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: every week. Great guests lined up. And it's funny because

963
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: when you start hiking out in the outside and there's

964
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: no audience and it's just the two of you. I

965
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: do it on a self expect People are really forthcoming

966
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: and revealing, and you know, I hear some pretty good

967
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: stories that I don't think they would tell on a

968
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: regular talk show. Really, I love that. How many Well,

969
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: first of all, how many characatures have you drawn? And

970
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: then I don't know how many people you've hyped with characters.

971
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: In my book, there's probably about sixty sixty caricatures, but

972
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: I've probably done about, you know, a hundred caricatures. Will

973
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: you send me a the book because I'll definitely promote

974
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: it because I want to look at it. I want

975
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: to look at my Paul want fiance. It will be

976
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: obsessed with it too, especially the music stuff. Yeah, yeah,

977
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: I will absolutely promote it for you. I'd love it,

978
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: but it would great And also like it's a craft

979
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: that nobody else has like you do, So it's where

980
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: to do something that no one else knows how to do.

981
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: That's what I that's what I find the most interesting

982
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: about it. Other people know how to do caricatures, and

983
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: some of them might spread it under heat, but I

984
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: just like doing it. It's like with the hiking thing.

985
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: It's not like I got a big contract to do it.

986
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't even get paid for the hiking thing. No,

987
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: but not anybody could do a character. I mean, I'm

988
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: sure there are people who do it. There are people

989
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: that also, you know, can make balloon animals and juggle,

990
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: but but not that many people can do this, So

991
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Animals was my second choice. Okay, we'll do

992
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: balloon animal books of these people and then write a

993
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: out them. That could be the next time h