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Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, A bar Garcia, and Derek Eagleton. Day.

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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, September fifteenth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode

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Speaker 1: number twenty three. Welcome to the latest edition of The

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Speaker 1: Break Life from this WBC Mortgage Studios at the Starman,

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Speaker 1: Nick and Nick and I join are here. We got

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Speaker 1: Dave and Amber at their homes. We're talking Cowboys football,

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Speaker 1: if you guys, for about forty five minutes. And we've

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Speaker 1: got so much to get into. As I started putting

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Speaker 1: this together, so many different topics we can hit, but

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Speaker 1: I think right now there's none bigger than the injury

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Speaker 1: situation for this team. Cowboys came out of that last

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Speaker 1: at some positions where I think they probably don't have

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Speaker 1: segment where we'll do our I know, I think I

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Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit about Dak Prescott. Some news

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Speaker 1: came out yesterday was pretty interesting about the contract negotiations

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Speaker 1: to the end of the show, we'll talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about the NFC East and the team's there and

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Speaker 1: what they did over week one and what we expect

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Speaker 1: going into week two. How's everybody doing today? Doing great? Great, Derek,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Dave, appreciate that. Awesome. We got good energy. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, Dave, your stars going to the final finals,

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Speaker 1: they're at the finals. They're not They're not my stars.

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Speaker 1: You're wearing for the Stars. Well, I'm trying to I'm

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Speaker 1: the Stump Goat Stars. Yeah, I'm just stand like now,

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Speaker 1: you know, shout out Danny Serek and Kelsey Charles. Like,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that have cared about the

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Speaker 1: excited that they're in Mickey, Yeah, Mickey's the season ticket holder.

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Speaker 1: They're upset. Actually, they're like happy and upset at the

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Speaker 1: same time because they've waited so long. You get season

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Speaker 1: where Edmonton orson. I mean, I don't know where, but

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Speaker 1: I mean, congratulations and Stars. That's a big feat. Now,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll even watch this because you know the

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Speaker 1: at my own face for an hour and it feels weird.

427
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: So I have to break up the monotony. You're just

428
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: entertaining yourself. I guess, like every time I look over there,

429
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: it looks like one of your emojis. He's got a

430
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: hand face, he's got the like the eyeballs, you know,

431
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: head explosion, not doing that one. I'm expressive. I'm expressing myself.

432
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 1: One of these days when we don't have a lot

433
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: on the docket to talk about. I'm gonna have Dave

434
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 1: go back to his background and just kind of talk

435
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 1: about all the different little relics he has back there

436
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: and what significant stay whole, because it's actually pretty interesting

437
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 1: when you start looking at it. A lot of cool stuff.

438
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: And but did you do that painting behind you? Because

439
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,360
Speaker 1: you probably did, but I don't know. Maybe you think

440
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,199
Speaker 1: she has paintings of an internouse that she didn't do. No,

441
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 1: that's a good point, very nice work. All right, let's

442
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: jump back in. I do want to talk about Cam Irving.

443
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: That's the last injury that we had to talk about

444
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: from the game, offensive tackle. He's the backup. I guess

445
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 1: we all kind of were surprised. I was surprised a

446
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: little bit by that that he was the backup going

447
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: into that game. Nick, tell me what his injury is

448
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: and what they're thinking as far as the amount of

449
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 1: time he's going to be out. Yeah, it didn't start.

450
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 1: He played on kickoff I mean, I mean on the

451
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: field goal team, so that fifty three yard field goal.

452
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: He also he got hurt on that and it sprained

453
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: himcl that's usually a two to four week they can

454
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,439
Speaker 1: put him on injured reserve to return if they wanted to. Um,

455
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of options on the practice squad. Um.

456
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 1: I forget the guy's name. Dave might know either. They

457
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 1: picked him up from the Giants. He's a tackle, and

458
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: of course there's another tackle on the practice squad as well.

459
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't pronounce it. Yeah, Isaac. Yeah, but I don't

460
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: think Isaac, which I would be shocked if Isaac is

461
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: ready to play in a game right now now. Isaac

462
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 1: needs I don't think he can. I don't. I don't

463
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: know if because of the program that he's in, he's

464
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: able to like be eligible to play in a real

465
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 1: game this year. Really, like what if? What if? They

466
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: sounded like a badass? Yeah, just just to be clear

467
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: what Amber's talking about there is he is a player

468
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 1: from Mexico. There are four teams, I think it's all

469
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: NFC East teams that all have a player from another country.

470
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: And it's a part of the international program of starting

471
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: to integrate players from other countries into the NFL. And

472
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: so basically the Cowboys get a an exemption on their roster.

473
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't count on their roster, he's an extra guy,

474
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: but it allows them to start integrating international players into

475
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 1: the into the into the sport. But I would think

476
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: they would just pigeonhole themselves of not being I mean, yeah,

477
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: if I don't know good enough to play, I mean

478
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure they could, you would think so. But I

479
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: mean as long as you put him onto your active

480
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: roster M in which he would count, then I don't

481
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: think you would be able to put him on your

482
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: active roster him be still an exemption. I think maybe

483
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: he's just an exemption as a as a practice squad player.

484
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: He travels. I mean I was surprised by that when

485
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: I saw him. He was the first guy I saw

486
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: actually traveling. He had his bag and everything, and I

487
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: was like, you know, no offense to him, but I

488
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: mean he's the seventeenth practice squad player I think. So

489
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: I was like, well, if he's traveling, everybody's traveling, you know,

490
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: and Dave and Amber, I get it, but you guys

491
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: might be playing, right tackle. I mean, good point. Um, now,

492
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: I just I just that's my point is that that's

493
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: why everyone's like, well, you know, this guy's out there,

494
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,479
Speaker 1: I mean, Ron Larry's out there, and the Lady Walker's

495
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: out there, and these guys are out there. I'm like, yeah,

496
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 1: but that's why there's sixteen practice card players, that's why

497
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: they travel, that's why there's these different rules, because that's

498
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: not really a great option. So the key is just

499
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: don't have two or three main injuries on week one.

500
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: Just don't do that. Try not to try not to

501
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: have that happen. Yeah, you know, let's let's talk about

502
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: the guy who did start, Terrence Steele. I'm not I'm

503
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: not one that puts everything into Pro Football Focus, but

504
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: there was a report that came out yesterday that on

505
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus this week, Terrence Steele was listed as

506
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: second worst offensive tackle throughout the entire league as far

507
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 1: as how he graded in his performance this game. So

508
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: I want to go with you. Guys, y'all tell me

509
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: what do you think based upon what you saw from

510
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: Terren Steele. I'm assuming you went back and even watched

511
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: some of the game. What are your thoughts on Terrence

512
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: Steele and how he performed? Dave, let's go with you. Well,

513
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting on the All twenty two from NFL

514
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: game pass, So TikTok, NFL. Some of us have jobs

515
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: to do, But I mean, just from watching the game,

516
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: and then going back and watching it on DVR, which

517
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: don't try to judge offensive line play from TV copy.

518
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: But he didn't root like, he didn't wreck the offense

519
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: like they couldn't they they didn't have to change what

520
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: they were doing because he was so bad. And for

521
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: a guy starting his first NFL game against I mean,

522
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 1: I know Aaron Donald doesn't play over there, but against

523
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 1: a pretty decent front seven, like, I thought he was fine. Honestly, um,

524
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that he grated out low that that's

525
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: not shocking to me. But like I said, you know,

526
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: not to bring up Jazz Green for the ten million time,

527
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: but once you've seen that, everything else looks better. So

528
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I feel. I guess Amber, would

529
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: you think that's exactly how I always judge offensive lineman

530
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: now is game? Yes? Uh no, I am. I agree

531
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: with they've Honestly, I don't think he did a horrible job.

532
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: Now that's not to say that I don't think that

533
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: the position needs help. I do think they need to

534
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 1: add some depth there and hopefully you step up the game.

535
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I thought that the game

536
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: could have gone a lot worse. I thought Dad could

537
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: have been struggling a lot more throughout the game, and

538
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 1: that wasn't the case. He honestly played better than my expectations. Yeah,

539
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that Chaz Green has become a verb,

540
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: Like I saw that on Twitter, like, well, he didn't

541
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: really Chaz Green the game, like you know, like that's

542
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: that was like a reference there. But he didn't seem

543
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: like you're right, I mean, this didn't seem like it

544
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: was that bad. Well you didn't notice it, but you know,

545
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: I'll kind of disagree with a little bit what Dave

546
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: said when he said Aaron Donald doesn't play over there.

547
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: Well he does, though, he does because you have to

548
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: atone for him in the middle. There's no it's hard

549
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: to double team the outside when you've got to deal

550
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: with him. He is such a problem on the inside,

551
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: so you know, and then you lose your tight end

552
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: so there's not a lot of chipping going on there

553
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: and you don't have a fullback. So he was put

554
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, lyle Collins needed to be out there,

555
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: and that's you know, and we're also forgetting that. I mean,

556
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: there's only two more games of this. So I talked

557
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 1: to Terrence after the game, and he said, you know,

558
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,719
Speaker 1: he admitted that he struggled a lot there early on,

559
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: he was really nervous, but then he settled down. Then

560
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: he had that play at the end. But I think

561
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 1: Brandon Knight is a better option. I consider Brandon Knight

562
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: to be a bar you know, like he's like a

563
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: bar fight type of guy. You know, he's just gonna

564
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: go in there and just brawl, and it reminds me

565
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of Colombo. And I think he is

566
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: just such a competitor. You know. I would like to

567
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: see him do it, because we've seen him play before

568
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: and I think he would be okay over there. Do

569
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: you guys think that maybe the Cowboys should consider going

570
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: with a more nuclear type option and look at somebody

571
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: like I know we talked to Connor Williams hasn't done it,

572
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: but should they look at that knowing that right now,

573
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: you look at the fact that still didn't play a

574
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: great game. You look at the fact that you're tight end,

575
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: you're starting tight end is now out, so you're you're

576
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: gonna have Sholtz on the field probably more, which he's

577
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 1: not a great blocker. And you look at the fact

578
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: that that cam irving is now also gonna be out

579
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: for a while. Do you think maybe the Cowboys need

580
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: to start reconsidering and saying, Okay, right now, you got

581
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: Connor Williams at guard, You got Connor McGovern sitting on

582
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: your bench at guard. You got Brandon Brandon McKnight, brand

583
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: Brandon Knight sitting on your bench as a guard as well.

584
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: Maybe you ought to think about maybe moving one of

585
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: those guards, maybe Connor Williams, because he's done it before,

586
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: to tackle, and and maybe put McGovern in there to

587
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: play guard. You think maybe they should look at it

588
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: like that. I know if we've been talking about Connor

589
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: making that transition for like a year and a half

590
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: or so, but how quickly can you actually get a

591
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: player like him to make a transition like that to

592
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: tacklino who played it back college. But it's been a

593
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: while and the NFL is completely different than college. So

594
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: that's my question for you guys, hopefully no better than me,

595
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: how quickly we're going to a player like that and

596
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: make a transition. If they were going to do that,

597
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: then it should have been an active plan during the

598
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: offseason and training camp, like he should have been mixing

599
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: and matching and getting reps and you know, we don't

600
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: see everything, but I never saw that. It didn't look

601
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: like they were interested in doing it. Connor's been playing

602
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: nothing but left guard in a game week situation, and

603
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: get you know, they're already they're already knee deep in

604
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: the game planning for Atlanta. It seems so unfair to

605
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: me to ask him to do that on five days

606
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: notice and then expect him to be good at it.

607
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: And I know he did it in college, but college

608
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: was already a long time ago for him. Let's take

609
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: that out of the mix. Because I'm not saying you

610
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: necessarily make that move this week. What I'm saying is,

611
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: should they start that transition process now? Should they start

612
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: in practice start working with him to see if maybe

613
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: you give him some reps to play it at right

614
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 1: tackle and just give yourself a little more or flexibility

615
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: as you go down the road and maybe this is

616
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: a move that happens week five or week six. I'm

617
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: just saying, do they need to start thinking about some

618
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 1: bigger planned options because right now I just don't feel

619
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: great about the right tackle position. You know, like I said,

620
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: though Lyle Collins, is I mean, if we're talking about

621
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: Sean Lee in two weeks. Lyle Collins is two more

622
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: games and he's eligible to come back. So do we

623
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be ready to go by them? Yeah?

624
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: I would think so, okay, I do think that he

625
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: would be ready to go. And also, you know the

626
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: weird part about you're talking about Connor Williams moving is that?

627
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: Is that the guy that replaces him at guard? Is it?

628
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: Is it McGovern who's never played a game? Is it?

629
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: Joe Looney says steal though, well but still has he's

630
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: played one game? Yeah, okay, we already saw that wasn't great,

631
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: so just say it. And Brandon Knight has played too.

632
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: So I mean, either you put Looney over there and

633
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: be honest, is in there who's never played a game?

634
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: I mean, like you just don't have a lot of

635
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: a lot of options. I get your point about long

636
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: term things, but you know, it's not like they practice

637
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: four hours. I mean you have to the continuity is

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Speaker 1: so important that he's they've got to get in there.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a lot of options. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: mean it has to be something like that. I get

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Speaker 1: all of that, well, I just think right now, you

643
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Speaker 1: But we all have agreed that with Tyron you just

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Speaker 1: never know, right. So the likelihood that you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: if you look at his history, you're probably betting on

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Speaker 1: the wrong side of that, right, So you better have

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Speaker 1: don't understand. I'm with Nick for the record, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if it's right. I don't know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if this is a Joe Philbin thing that

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Speaker 1: he looked at Brandon Knight and said he's a guard,

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Speaker 1: He was pretty damn good at it in Indiana, made

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Speaker 1: Terrence Steele did the other night. So I don't really

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Speaker 1: get it. That would be, you know, if you're not

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Speaker 1: and then hope for the best with Lyell. Don't. I

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Speaker 1: don't get the Connor thing at all, because like everybody

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Speaker 1: dogs Connor for being the weak link of the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: So you move him out to a new position that

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Speaker 1: he's never played because he was a left tackle in college,

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Speaker 1: and then we have no idea what Connor McGovern is either.

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Speaker 1: For that matter, I hope he's a good player, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know. So it just sounds like you're weakening

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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about this DAK report to

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Speaker 1: to talk about this DAK report that came out yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Basically what it said was at the Cowboys, in their

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00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: negotiations over the off season with Dak and his people,

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Speaker 1: turned down an offer a counteroffer from Dak's side that said,

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Speaker 1: basically it was going to be a five year deal.

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Speaker 1: It would average about thirty five million a year, which

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Speaker 1: the money and the years sound like what we've heard

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys would actually be in favor of. But there

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Speaker 1: was one little caveat to it that I want to

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Speaker 1: get your opinions on. Supposedly the caveat was at the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys back dat is that they would not be able

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Speaker 1: to use the franchise tag on DAC once that contract

733
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: was done. Now, I don't know if that was true.

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Speaker 1: We haven't heard that from the Cowboys, but I wanted

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Speaker 1: to say, assuming I want to ask, assuming that that

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Speaker 1: is accurate, did the Cowboys make a wise decision there

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Speaker 1: to not give up the franchise tag but get everything

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Speaker 1: else that they wanted in that deal? Nick will start

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Speaker 1: with you, I don't know. I don't that there sources

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Speaker 1: involved in that and that report. Yeah, it's always means

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00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: that just doesn't seem like that would be the sticking

742
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: point there, and I wouldn't know that it makes there

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Speaker 1: a lot of sense to me, because I just think

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Speaker 1: when you look at the franchise, that's your leverage. If

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Speaker 1: you don't have leverage, you have no negotiating power. If

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Speaker 1: you've got a quarterback, that's good none. Okay, but we're

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Speaker 1: talking about him in his tenth year of his career

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Speaker 1: at this point. Now I get it, Breezes, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's an outstanding I mean, the great

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00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: winds do they last that long? But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I just I don't like I mean, personally, I don't

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00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: like speculating on a report that from a source that

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Speaker 1: who knows if they got all that information right, if

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Speaker 1: it's right. I just I wouldn't think that would be

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Speaker 1: the sticking point. Not for me. At least, thirty five

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00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: seems like a good number for what you're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: If that was the only thing, that doesn't seem like

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00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: that would be the wise thing for the Cowboys. But

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's more to it than that. But I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Camber. I'm still trying to wrap my head

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00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: and like process this whole thing. I don't really get

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00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: why that would be the breaking point of a contract

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Speaker 1: or getting a deal done here and for a guy

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Speaker 1: like Dak Prescott, who I don't see him planning his

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00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: future for that long, But then again, you just never know.

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00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys are starting to get long

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00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: term contract deals with a lot of money, and I

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00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: get why you wouldn't want to necessarily be franch franchise

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Speaker 1: tagged again. But at the same time, that is just

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Speaker 1: something that I find hard to believe as far as

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Speaker 1: that being the real reason as to why a contract

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Speaker 1: hasn't gotten done or didn't get done. Dave, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to I don't want to throw too much shade

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Speaker 1: because it's hard to reach the top of this industry

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Speaker 1: and I'm definitely not the most plugged in reporter in

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Speaker 1: the world. But I know the source. I know where

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00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: this is coming from, and I don't necessarily trust the

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00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: track record there. You know, there's there's a handful of

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00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: people that report NFL news who I think are rock solid.

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00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: They're very rarely wrong, and this is not one of

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Speaker 1: those people. So take you know, so right off the bat,

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00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm taking what I'm hearing with a grain of salt.

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Speaker 1: I guess it makes sense because, yeah, I mean, Nick

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00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to it with Drew Brees and Tom Brady. Like,

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00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: once quarterbacks get into that stage of their career, you

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Speaker 1: kind of need the franchise tag just to hammer things out,

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00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: you know, Like Breeze has been going year to year forever,

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Speaker 1: so as you know, Brady does it all the time.

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00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: So I understand why the Cowboys would be reluctant. But

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00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: isn't it like six and one half a dozen of

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Speaker 1: the other Like by not agreeing to the deal, like

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Speaker 1: you can get him locked in on a deal that's

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Speaker 1: going to save you money, and he might take you

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Speaker 1: to the cleaners five years from now, but and that sucks.

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Speaker 1: But by not doing that, he's going to take you

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Speaker 1: to the cleaners right now, which is when you need

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00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: the space because that's how the roster is constructed. Also,

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Speaker 1: the cap is about to be in flux. Like I

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Speaker 1: would not have turned that down if I were the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: If this is true, I get their reluctance. I do

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Speaker 1: understand it, but I think I would have just said

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Speaker 1: let future cowboys, let that be somebody else's problem five

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Speaker 1: or six years from now. Yeah, you know, that's an

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00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: interesting point, Dave. I didn't think about it like that

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Speaker 1: that you're kind of going to get screwed here now

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Speaker 1: or later. The one that I will say, though, is

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Speaker 1: I do think the term you use take them to

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Speaker 1: the cleaners. I don't think he's taken them to the

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Speaker 1: cleaners this year. I don't think you'll take him to

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Speaker 1: the cleaners next year, because they could still franchise him. Again,

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Speaker 1: that's that's right, But but you get my point, Like

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Speaker 1: I think that I think they probably felt like giving

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Speaker 1: up that leverage in the future is not worth that

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Speaker 1: right now, because again, let's assume for a second, right now,

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Speaker 1: in the negotiations they didn't have a franchise tag. If

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Speaker 1: they didn't have a franchise tag, they had no leverage.

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Speaker 1: DAC would have said either you pay me this, or

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the free agent market and somebody's

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Speaker 1: gonna pay me that, right, And I think that's where

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Speaker 1: if you got a player that, particularly a quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: You know, again, we're basing a lot on the fact

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Speaker 1: that this report is accurate, and it may or may not.

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Speaker 1: It's more for conjecture and our fun of having the conversation.

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Speaker 1: But assuming that it is somewhat accurate, then the way

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Speaker 1: I look at it is, if I'm the Cowboys. I

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Speaker 1: probably would have done the same thing. I'm passing on

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Speaker 1: anything that takes away my right to to use a

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Speaker 1: franchise tag on a quarterback because I just know how

829
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Speaker 1: how much in demand quarterbacks are, and there's somebody out

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Speaker 1: there that's willing to pay even a good quarterback great

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Speaker 1: quarterback money. Yeah, this is a tough one for me.

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Speaker 1: And every time I say anything negative towards Dak, I

833
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: get a lot of people that think I'm this Dak

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Speaker 1: hater and I'm not. I mean, I think he is

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Speaker 1: your He's the guy you go to war with. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's the guy that should be the captain every single game,

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Speaker 1: the one that stands out there as long as he,

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Speaker 1: you know, says clearly to the RAF heads or tails

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Speaker 1: or what they want to do, you know, there's no

840
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: issue there. But he's your captain. He's your captain all

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Speaker 1: the way. I still just wonder what happens if we

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Speaker 1: play this season and he can and this team doesn't

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00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: meet expectations and they don't win close games. I just

844
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: don't know if that's going to help him. And I

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Speaker 1: would have if I was him, I would have got

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Speaker 1: a deal done. I just would have. I would have

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00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: done whatever I could get a deal done. But because

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't think it's gonna work. I don't

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Speaker 1: think his asking price because I've seen people say, well,

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Speaker 1: his price just went up, you know, because of what

851
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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson did. His price just went up. What if

852
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't. Well, but I think when you're looking around

853
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: the league right now, at least after week one, at

854
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: least after week one, I don't think Dak looked like

855
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: he wasn't in the same category with Deshaun Watson. Like

856
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: that's my point, Like I do kind of agree with

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Speaker 1: what people are saying that as this thing goes on,

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Speaker 1: I think Dak's gonna he has all the weapons for

859
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: him to be a really good quarterback. I think the

860
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: wheels would have to fall completely off for the Cowboys

861
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: not to feel like they want to go back at

862
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: and take another bite at the apple. Like, I just

863
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: don't think so. At the least, he's gonna get that

864
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: franchise tag next year and make thirty eight million dollars.

865
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: That's the very least I think that, So that the

866
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: price has already gone up, right, So that's where I

867
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 1: look at it and say, yeah, the price is gonna

868
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: go up. But I also think and you even heard

869
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: Steven say it on his comments. You know, they know

870
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: that Dak bet on himself, and they know Dak probably

871
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: one and probably earned some money by betting on himself.

872
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: But that's kind of the way the negotiations had to go.

873
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: And sometimes you get in those situations based upon the negotiations.

874
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: You just have to go that route. And I think

875
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: that's what happened here. Or if he gets hurt, it

876
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: would have to be a huge, like the kind of

877
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: injury that you don't know if he can come back. Yeah,

878
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: I mean Bridgewater situation. Yeah, yeah, I just I don't know.

879
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: I and I and I see that's go ahead, Dave.

880
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: Oh sorry nick I, Derek, you kind of just laid out.

881
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: My point though, is like I just I don't see

882
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: the Cowboys having a ton of leverage in this situation

883
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Speaker 1: unless they are willing to part ways with Dakichi think,

884
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: but here's here's the right and and sorry he's let

885
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: me say this. Here here's it. Okay, David Studio. I

886
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: can't wait to go back at this. This is tough. Um.

887
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Speaker 1: I said this before on a show with David rob

888
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: that the uh, the Texans have a different plan than

889
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: than let's say, the Cowboys do. They are they want

890
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson to be their guy because they had a

891
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: star wide receiver that they traded away and and that

892
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: look already looks like a bad decisions. They don't have

893
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: the Zach Martin Tyrant Smith type of deal. They aren't saying, hey,

894
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna build this thing around the Sean. They're saying,

895
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 1: the Sean is our main guy, number one. We're gonna

896
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: pay him for sure, and we'll figure everything else out.

897
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: And the Cowboys aren't doing it that way. So not yet,

898
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: not yet, at whatever point. And this is what you

899
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: look at the league. This is what happens. The moment

900
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: you pay that quarterback that big contract is the moment

901
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: you're saying, we're gonna have to start cutting back on

902
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: the talent that we have in other places because the

903
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: salary cap just doesn't work. Sorry, I love Dak, He's

904
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: not good enough as a quarterback to do that. I'm sorry.

905
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: He isn't. Which he is, that's the big question. I

906
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 1: don't believe he's the guy that can just go win

907
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: the game and not have a lot of help. I

908
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: don't think you're going to go back to the drawing board.

909
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure it out with him. But but

910
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean, so we don't have to go to these

911
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: world class cleaners. You guys are talking about, Dave, Where

912
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: were you going this? Nick? Nick doesn't realize it, but

913
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: he's kind of making. My point for me is that

914
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. That's fine. If you don't think Dak is

915
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: that guy, that's fine. If you're the Cowboys. The hope

916
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: is that you got this deal done a long time

917
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: ago so that it becomes a bargain and you can

918
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: help prepare yourself for the next iteration of this roster.

919
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: The Cowboys didn't sign Russell Wilson the first time when

920
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: he was the guy. They signed him and it eased

921
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: into that transition where he became the guy. So think

922
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: about it. I mean, you know, Tyrn Smith is nearing

923
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: you know, he's closer to the end of his career

924
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: than the beginning. Zach Martin is turning thirty if he's

925
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: not already thirty like, and Dak is just getting more expensive.

926
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: So if you tell me that I could have him

927
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Speaker 1: at thirty five a year when it's gonna definitely cost

928
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: me thirty eight next year or maybe forty two. I'm

929
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: trying to get the cheaper deal, and we'll worry about

930
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: franchising him later or not franchising him if we have to.

931
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: But Dak being more expensive as you have to let

932
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: these older players transition out of your roster, is not

933
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: going to help you. The goal is to have him

934
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: taking up as little of the cap percentage as possible,

935
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Speaker 1: and I would have done whatever I had to do

936
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Speaker 1: to make that happen, even if it means I gotta

937
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: pay for it later. And that's like, I think it

938
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: is going to be hard for them to keep a

939
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: good roster around him with the way that they've decided

940
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: to do this. Yeah, I mean, I mean, and I

941
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: think more of Dak than Nick does. But that's fine. Well,

942
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: like we can disagree on that all day, respectfully, but

943
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: they're not doing themselves any favor with the way that

944
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: they're trying to allocate this cap space. I just think

945
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: that he's not in the category of you know, he's

946
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: the guy. And then because to me, I've always thought

947
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 1: Zeke is the best player on your team. I mean,

948
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: he is the guy. And when they were winning as

949
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: a rookie, I believe it was because of what they

950
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: were able to do with that offensive line in Zeke again,

951
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to go back with what I

952
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: just said. I think I think Dak is a leader

953
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: of this team. He is the guy front and center

954
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: you want him to that. He is as tough as nails.

955
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: He's a tough player that plays quarterback and you don't

956
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: hear that all the time, but I just think he

957
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: needs help around him so and I want him to

958
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: understand that. I think I think he does. He need.

959
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: He can't break the bank here, and if it means

960
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: that they're they're going to go out and you know

961
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: they shouldn't be trading away. They're not going to trade

962
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: away Ceedee Lamb in three years for a bag of

963
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: chips like the like the Texans did. The one thing

964
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 1: I will say is you didn't see Russell Wilson become

965
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: the kind of quarterback that can do it without having

966
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Speaker 1: great pieces around him until he was asked to do

967
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: it without him having great pieces around him. And so

968
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Speaker 1: even though even though the assumption right now would be

969
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,479
Speaker 1: Decks maybe not that kind of quarterback, they've not asked

970
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: that of him, even he's only been here when he's

971
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Speaker 1: had great pieces around him. I do think though, that

972
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: that they have to project that and if they're gonna

973
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: do the long term deal, they have to know that

974
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: as it goes with all these quarterbacks, once you pay

975
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: him that big deal, it's going to then effect the

976
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: rest of your rock. Well, I know, this is one game,

977
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: and I'll get David Amber's opinion on this. The Jets. Okay,

978
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: the Jets game, you didn't have Amari Cooper. Not sure

979
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: why he wasn't out there, Tyrant Smith wasn't there. Maybe

980
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: Lyell Collins too well. But I mean, they didn't have

981
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: a lot of help around them, and they got beat

982
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: by a really bad football team. And I wasn't saying

983
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: it's all because of him, But it's games like that

984
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: that could be an example of how it could be.

985
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: If it's all going to be about, you know, the

986
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: quarterback with us, we can have a separate we could

987
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: have a separate conversation about how good we think Dak is.

988
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: My point is, if they had played this differently, they

989
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: would be halfway through the deal already. And again, it's

990
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: a more graceful transition, whereas now you're probably in a

991
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: situation where you're going to have to decide whether or

992
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: not Dak is worth it as you start to lose

993
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: the players that make him so successful, Like Amar's only

994
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: guaranteed for two more seasons again, Tyrn Smith, We'll see

995
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: how much longer he wants to play. He's probably never

996
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,760
Speaker 1: going to be as amazing as he was from twenty

997
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: fourteen to twenty sixteen. I just I wish that they

998
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: had it. Doesn't seem like they thought about the long

999
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: term future with this, in my opinion. But we're here now,

1000
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: so it's going to be it's going to be an

1001
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: ever evolving storyline because until the Cowboys get a long

1002
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: term deal done with him, there's gonna be this kind

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Speaker 1: of speculation that's out there, and it's gonna be this

1004
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: kind of talk that's out there. So it is what

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Speaker 1: it is. We appreciate you guys. John Us will be

1006
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Speaker 1: back tomorrow. We'll have we'll get you guys ready, start

1007
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Speaker 1: getting you guys ready for Cowboys versus Falcons. Bucky Brooks

1008
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Speaker 1: will be joining us. He's gonna break down the Falcons

1009
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Speaker 1: offense versus the Cowboys defense. Tol then for Nick Eatman,

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