WEBVTT - Reddington’s Next Case: Kelsie Cote

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<v Speaker 1>Hi guys, welcome to an episode of Legally Brunette. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be your host today, Emily Simpson with.

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<v Speaker 2>Shane.

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<v Speaker 1>Shane. Okay, today we are going to get into a

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<v Speaker 1>case that is going to go to trial soon. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad that we're doing an episode on it because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like once it goes to trial, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to follow it. It is the case of Kelsey Cote.

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<v Speaker 1>So on Halloween night of 2022, 74-year-old Doris Cote was

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<v Speaker 1>found dead at the bottom of her basement stairs in

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<v Speaker 1>North Adams, Massachusetts. What looked like a tragic accident quickly

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<v Speaker 1>unraveled into something much darker. Prosecutors say the murder was

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<v Speaker 1>not impulsive. They allege it was planned, motivated by money,

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<v Speaker 1>and followed by a deliberate attempt to cover it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Reddington, one of Massachusetts' most prominent defense attorneys, is

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<v Speaker 1>representing Kelsey, and after four years, the trial is finally

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<v Speaker 1>going to make headway.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to start soon. This is another Massachusetts case?

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<v Speaker 1>This is another Massachusetts case, and this is Kevin Reddington.

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<v Speaker 1>He's representing Kelsey Cote. You know Kevin Reddington is... Lindsey

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<v Speaker 1>Clancy's attorney. And this case was actually supposed to go

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<v Speaker 1>to trial, I don't know, maybe a year ago, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was postponed because he was trying the Lindsey Clancy case.

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<v Speaker 1>So now that the Lindsey Clancy case is, well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that first trial is now over, ended in a mistrial,

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<v Speaker 1>but we know that's over. It is over. He now

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<v Speaker 1>can move forward with the Kelsey Cody case. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're going to talk about today.

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<v Speaker 2>What if Kelsey Cody's like, wait, what was the verdict?

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, no, thanks. I'll find a new attorney. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelsey Cody, based upon what I know from this case,

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<v Speaker 1>she'd be very lucky with this trial.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So Doris Cody is 74 and lived in a small

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<v Speaker 1>city in Western Massachusetts near the Vermont border. She and

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<v Speaker 1>her husband Ray had lived in their home for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>In February of 2022, Ray Cody, this is Doris's husband,

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<v Speaker 1>passed away, leaving Doris living alone. Then we get to

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<v Speaker 1>the summer of 2022. Kelsey Cody is Doris's granddaughter, and

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<v Speaker 1>she returns to the area from Connecticut. She suffers a

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<v Speaker 1>foot injury and an ATV accident, and Doris begins helping

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<v Speaker 1>drive her around. All right, so we've got a grandmother

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<v Speaker 1>and a grandfather, but the grandfather dies, so the grandmother's

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<v Speaker 1>living alone. And then we've got Kelsey that's returning to

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<v Speaker 1>her grandmother's house, and she's getting help from her grandmother.

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<v Speaker 1>In the fall of 2022, Kelsey is staying at her

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<v Speaker 1>father's house. So Doris is Kelsey's father's mother. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>her paternal grandmother.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So Kelsey is staying at her father's house, but continues

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<v Speaker 1>spending significant amount of time at her grandmother's home. Prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 1>this is later, allege that Kelsey was addicted to oxy...

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<v Speaker 1>How do you say? Is it oxycodone?

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<v Speaker 2>Oxycontin?

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<v Speaker 1>I always hear people say oxycontin, but is it like oxy.

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<v Speaker 2>In the streets, we say oxy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, just, okay, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>We just go with Oxy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>In the streets, it's Oxy. Okay, so she was addicted

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<v Speaker 1>to Oxy and had been stealing money from Doris's safe

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<v Speaker 1>and her accounts. We're going to talk about motive in

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, but maybe that was something that Doris,

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<v Speaker 1>the grandmother, started to figure out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, now let's get to the actual murder. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Or alleged murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, someone's murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, someone dies. Yeah. So we'll just go with that.

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<v Speaker 2>While it dies at the hands of another?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she tries to stage, like, allegedly tries to stage

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<v Speaker 1>a crime scene. So we're going to get into that.

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<v Speaker 2>So allegedly she stages a crime scene.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying allegedly because she hasn't been convicted of

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<v Speaker 1>anything yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So you anticipate she will be?

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<v Speaker 1>I anticipate she will be. That would be my anticipation.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm just saying allegedly because she has not been

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of anything yet. On Halloween night of, so this

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<v Speaker 1>is October 31st, 2022.

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<v Speaker 2>Halloween.

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<v Speaker 1>A relative visits Doris's home that afternoon. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who the relative is. I don't give information on that.

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<v Speaker 1>They just say a relative. So this relative told investigators

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<v Speaker 1>that Doris appeared to be in good spirits, was very mobile,

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<v Speaker 1>and showed no significant physical limitations. That relative leaves around

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<v Speaker 1>4.30 p.m. and Kelsey remains at her grandmother's house. So

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<v Speaker 1>she's there on Halloween night. Kelsey initially told police that

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<v Speaker 1>she left her grandmother's home at approximately 7.30 p.m., but

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<v Speaker 1>prosecutors later alleged that Kelsey actually stayed well past that time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because they ended up finding, when they're investigating, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they find surveillance video of her.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that ring footage or something?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they find surveillance video of her arriving back home

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<v Speaker 1>at her dad's house around 12.40 a.m. on November 1st.

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<v Speaker 1>So surveillance evidence reportedly showed a woman matching Kelsey's description

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<v Speaker 1>of returning to her father's residence at approximately 12.40 a.m.

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<v Speaker 1>on November 1st, leaving several hours unaccounted for. So she's

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<v Speaker 1>claiming she left her grandmother's house at 7.30 p.m., which

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<v Speaker 1>I guess would probably be the right time frame.

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<v Speaker 2>But they don't have her showing up at home until

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<v Speaker 2>five hours later.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a long stretch of time.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Prosecutors also alleged that during that window, Kelsey attacked

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<v Speaker 1>Doris using an open pair of scissors and a paperweight,

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<v Speaker 1>Stabbing and striking her primarily in the head. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>how her body. So she was found at the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of some stairs. So that's what we're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>into a little bit later is the fact that she.

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<v Speaker 1>They think that they got into some kind of argument

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<v Speaker 1>or disagreement or fight. There was a physical fight up

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<v Speaker 1>in a bedroom somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And that she used scissors and a paperweight.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Allegedly.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. And a paperclip.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a paperclip, but no, no paperclip.

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<v Speaker 2>Just paperweight.

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<v Speaker 1>Paperweight.

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<v Speaker 2>Scissors.

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<v Speaker 1>Scissors. All right, the Commonwealth's theory is that Doris was attacked,

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<v Speaker 1>then dragged through her home where her body was eventually

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<v Speaker 1>placed near the bottom of the stairs to make the

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<v Speaker 1>death appear accidental. Oh, yeah. All right, we get to

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<v Speaker 1>November 1st of 2022. So this is the day after

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<v Speaker 1>the crime occurs. This is the discovery of the body.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelsey told investigators that she returned to Doris's home the

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<v Speaker 1>following morning and found her grandmother at the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the basement stairs at approximately 10 a.m. So she returns

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<v Speaker 1>to the crime scene. Yeah. And is like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>my grandmother is at the bottom of the stairs. She

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<v Speaker 1>claims that she freaked out and could not accept that

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<v Speaker 1>Doris was dead and spent time lying beside her.

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<v Speaker 2>Lying?

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<v Speaker 1>Lying, like lying down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, with a Y?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with a Y. Lying with a Y. Lying down

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<v Speaker 1>beside her grandmother.

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<v Speaker 2>Why was she doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because she didn't call 911 until 4 p.m. that day.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't even think she was the one that

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<v Speaker 1>called 911. I think she eventually called her dad.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's claiming to have laid down by her grandmother

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<v Speaker 2>for seven hours or so?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because there's a huge gap of time between her

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<v Speaker 1>discovering the body of her grandmother dead at the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of the stairs and the time that 911 gets called.

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<v Speaker 1>So in order for her to account.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she spent that time cleaning upstairs. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>She had some bleach... Luminol? No, Luminol is for the detectives. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right. She was cleaning the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't until approximately 4 p.m., this is roughly six

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<v Speaker 1>hours after she claims to have found Doris, that Kelsey

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<v Speaker 1>contacted her father, Toby Cody, and then he was the

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<v Speaker 1>one that actually called 911. She claims that she was

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<v Speaker 1>just so distraught by the death of her grandmother that

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<v Speaker 1>she was freaking out and that she just had to

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<v Speaker 1>lay down next to her grandmother and cuddle, spoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, the grandmother lived alone? Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>She had lived with her husband, Ray, and then Ray

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<v Speaker 1>had died previously.

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<v Speaker 2>It's scissors and a paperweight. Yes. I imagine there's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be lots of evidence to go against the she

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<v Speaker 2>fell down the stairs. Probably.

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<v Speaker 1>So when investigators arrive, this is what they found.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the stab wounds, probably, from the scissors. Or the

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<v Speaker 2>stab wounds.

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<v Speaker 1>When investigators arrive, this is what they found. Bloody footprints

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<v Speaker 1>and drag marks extending from the main living room hallway

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<v Speaker 1>through the kitchen and down the basement stairs, suggesting that

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<v Speaker 1>Doris's body had been moved and that she had not

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<v Speaker 1>fallen down the stairs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, there was evidence found of a violent assault in

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<v Speaker 1>an upstairs room away from where the body was actually found.

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<v Speaker 1>And there were also signs that portions of the scene

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<v Speaker 1>had been cleaned.

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 1>This is open and shut for you, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah. I mean, what's her defense now? She's going

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<v Speaker 2>to claim her grandmother was running with scissors, got hurt. Maybe. Bleeding,

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<v Speaker 2>fell down the stairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but then what do you say about the paperweight?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know. She was carrying a paperweight,

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<v Speaker 2>running with scissors. I don't know. She drops paperweight.

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<v Speaker 1>And then stabs herself with the scissors.

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<v Speaker 2>And hit her head on the paperweight on the stairs,

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<v Speaker 2>stabbing her way downstairs. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd be a great defense attorney.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because I'd be laughing the whole time. I'd be like, jury,

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<v Speaker 2>please believe me when I tell you she ran with scissors.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>The nerve that people have.

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<v Speaker 1>To try and stage something after the fact?

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<v Speaker 2>Just like, yeah, you're really going to get away with this?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she doesn't deny cleaning up the crime scene. She

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<v Speaker 1>claims that she was cleaning because she found blood when

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<v Speaker 1>she arrived back in the morning and that she was

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<v Speaker 1>cleaning it because her grandmother was a neat freak and.

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<v Speaker 2>She wanted to clean it. Her grandmother was also alive

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<v Speaker 2>and she liked to live. Should you think about that? No.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelsey did not deny cleaning. She told investigators that she

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<v Speaker 1>noticed blood in different areas. Some of it was dark

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<v Speaker 1>or crustacean. and cleaned it because Doris was very particular

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<v Speaker 1>about keeping her home clean.

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<v Speaker 2>Coagulated.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators also searched Kelsey's vehicle and reportedly found trash bags

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<v Speaker 1>containing bloody clothing and items believed to be potential weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what I don't understand. She was cleaning her grandmother's house.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And she put it all in her car.

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<v Speaker 1>She cleaned it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. My grandmother doesn't like DNA everywhere. And fingerprints.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would she? First of all, this girl's young. I

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<v Speaker 1>think she's only 26 when this crime occurred.

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<v Speaker 2>It's early in her murder career. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>She's very early. This is her first murder.

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<v Speaker 2>That we know of.

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<v Speaker 1>That we know of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right. Here's what I don't understand. She's clearly trying

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<v Speaker 1>to clean up the scene. Allegedly. Again, she hasn't been convicted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But then when you take.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she admitted she was cleaning the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need to allege that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. But then when she takes the bloody clothing and

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<v Speaker 1>puts it in a trash bag and then potential weapons

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<v Speaker 1>possibly that were used in this attack and then puts

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<v Speaker 1>them in her car, why does she not get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of them before returning to the scene of the crime?

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<v Speaker 1>She comes back at 10 o'clock in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>And cleans up. No, I think that was the next morning.

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<v Speaker 2>She probably cleaned up that morning and put it in

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<v Speaker 2>her car that morning. Like she didn't come back with it.

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<v Speaker 2>She probably killed her grandma, left... Came back the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>Cleaned up.

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<v Speaker 2>And then cleaned up and put everything in her car.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then calls her dad. I don't know. And says

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<v Speaker 1>the grandmother was dead. And then he calls 911. And

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<v Speaker 1>then 911 comes. And then she doesn't get rid of what.

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<v Speaker 1>She takes.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't think they were going to search the car, clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, she takes the time to clean up

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<v Speaker 1>the scene. But then leaves all the evidence in her car.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. She's going to mail it to the detective office.

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<v Speaker 2>What's to even discuss about this case? She clearly did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Reddington.

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<v Speaker 2>The five hour. I know. Why is Reddington taking this case?

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<v Speaker 2>She has money?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, her grandmother had a significant estate and she was

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<v Speaker 1>the beneficiary. But again, we've always talked about with Slayer

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<v Speaker 1>statues and things, if you can't access that money. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who's paying Kevin Reddington unless maybe her

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<v Speaker 1>family has money. I don't know. But he's not doing

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<v Speaker 1>it pro bono. Are you kidding me? So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who's paying him. That was one of my questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we know if she's in custody during the year

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<v Speaker 2>that she had to wait for her attorney to be available?

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<v Speaker 1>She's in custody, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>She's in custody. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But Kevin Reddington hasn't had time to visit her or

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<v Speaker 1>discuss strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been very... I don't know if you've seen the

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<v Speaker 2>news lately, but I'm on a very big case right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Very busy right now. So you are going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>The medical examiner's findings shifted the investigation significantly. The autopsy

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<v Speaker 1>documented seven wounds primarily to the head, four sharp force

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<v Speaker 1>injuries to the back of the skull, which the medical

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<v Speaker 1>examiner told police would have required a sharp object. Not stairs,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Or a paperweight.

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<v Speaker 1>Bruising around the neck. forehead, face, and ear, and a

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<v Speaker 1>sharp force injury to her thumb, which prosecutors said was

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<v Speaker 1>consistent with a defensive wound, indicating that Doris tried to

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<v Speaker 1>protect herself. On November 4th, 2022, this is only three days,

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<v Speaker 1>or three to four days. Four days. I can do math.

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<v Speaker 2>Math.

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<v Speaker 1>Math. Four days later. Just four days after Doris's death,

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<v Speaker 1>Kelsey Cote is single digit math.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Is arrested and charged with her grandmother's murder.

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<v Speaker 1>November 7th, 2022 is her first court appearance. She appears

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<v Speaker 1>in Northern Berkshire district court and pleads not guilty. Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Reddington is present as her defense attorney. So she hires

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Reddington or her family or whoever hired him immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's there for her very first court hearing. So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where the money's coming from to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for him again. the prosecutors do believe that the possible

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<v Speaker 1>motive could have been financial because I did read that

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<v Speaker 1>the grandmother had assets and well over a million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>as far as investments, accounts, her home.

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<v Speaker 2>She was addicted to drugs. Then clearly money was and

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<v Speaker 2>also necessary for her.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the grandma, and I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 1>timing is on this because there's not a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>details because obviously this is going to trial soon. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of details. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how she ended up becoming the beneficiary to her grandmother's

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<v Speaker 1>estate and when.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>The case is presented to a grand jury, which returns

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<v Speaker 1>an indictment. The case is elevated to Berkshire superior court.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelsey faces three charges, first degree murder, assault with intent

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<v Speaker 1>to murder and destruction of evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>We know Kevin Reddington is representing her and we know

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<v Speaker 1>she pleaded not guilty. So I'm very interested in what

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<v Speaker 1>the defense is.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't have a defense.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, is the defense really going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>grandmother fell down the stairs?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it can't be anymore. There's too much evidence against that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, you could go with that.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be malpractice. It would be terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Kelsey is arraigned in Berkshire Superior Court and

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<v Speaker 1>again pleads not guilty. She appears in court in a

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<v Speaker 1>wheelchair due to lingering effects of her prior ATV foot

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<v Speaker 1>injury and is seen mouthing, I love you to family

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<v Speaker 1>members in the courtroom. I wonder what her family thinks

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<v Speaker 1>because it's her dad's mother. So I wonder, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>who's paying for the defense, why she's pleading not guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>what the defense is going to be. I mean, she's

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<v Speaker 1>pleading not guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you think? What would you think if it

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<v Speaker 2>was your family member that was dead as a result?

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<v Speaker 2>And then, and then they investigate another family member. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you have the same thing. You have blood traces everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>You have all these scissor wounds, a paperweight at issue, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>And it doesn't look like she fell down the stairs

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<v Speaker 2>and she was claiming to be there for four hours

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<v Speaker 2>or seven hours and all the evidence is in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Her grandma's a neat freak, so she cleaned it up.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you think? Would you think, yeah, you're probably

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<v Speaker 2>not guilty. Okay, let's get a defense attorney. Or do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that they're guilty?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I would think that they were guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>So how in the heck could this family think that

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<v Speaker 2>she's not guilty?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they do. Maybe she's convinced them that it was

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else. An intruder.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy. That's crazy. I wouldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>At the hearing, DA Timothy Chagrou publicly details the prosecution's

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<v Speaker 1>evidence and alleged motive telling the Berkshire Eagle, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a publication, that we have a lot of significant information

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<v Speaker 1>from the Google searches that she was planning out how

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<v Speaker 1>to kill her grandmother. Those searches allegedly included questions about,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a quote, this is one of her Google searches.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>The soft parts of the head. And the role of

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<v Speaker 1>a medical examiner.

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<v Speaker 2>How big does a paperweight need to be to murder

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<v Speaker 2>someone with blunt force trauma?

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<v Speaker 1>The DA also alleges that Kelsey's father had installed ring

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<v Speaker 1>cameras inside Doris's home and that Kelsey turned them on

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<v Speaker 1>and off and moved them around during the time of

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<v Speaker 1>the killing. So there's some evidence. I'm sure there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more evidence. It's just not released at this time

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<v Speaker 1>because they're going to go to trial. But I would assume...

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<v Speaker 1>If she has defensive wounds and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>blood and she was cleaning up the scene, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to find Kelsey's DNA. Well, I mean, she did go

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<v Speaker 1>to the house, so obviously her DNA is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be there, but they're probably going to find blood DNA

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<v Speaker 1>mixed with the grandmother's DNA, I would assume. Maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>DNA under the fingernails because there's defensive wounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe so.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be interesting to follow this case, this trial, because one,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what her defense is. And two,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what all the evidence is besides

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<v Speaker 1>just the little bit of information that's been released about

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<v Speaker 1>the autopsy, possible motive.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. The blood found. Maybe scissors they found.

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<v Speaker 1>Were the scissors on the car?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Were the scissors found in the car?

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder. I don't know. You know, when I was

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<v Speaker 2>a store investigator and we suspected the manager of stealing cash.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, wait, at Target? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Cash. Like, Tens of thousands, right? Like, I think at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, he had like 30,000 was missing. So he

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<v Speaker 2>knew where the cameras were. So when we weren't there,

0:18:13.750 --> 0:18:16.050
<v Speaker 2>because you're not there the whole time, he knew where

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<v Speaker 2>the cameras were. He could, one, go around the cameras

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<v Speaker 2>and avoid them if he needed to. And two, he

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<v Speaker 2>would actually come into our camera room, our office. He

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<v Speaker 2>was the only one that had a key besides us.

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<v Speaker 2>And he would turn off a camera or he would

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<v Speaker 2>delete or something. And this is all old school cassette tapes. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>so what we did was we put fake cameras out.

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<v Speaker 2>So he thought those were the cameras that were recording him.

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<v Speaker 2>But we knew he would turn those off or move

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<v Speaker 2>them around. And we put hidden cameras. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>got him that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was stealing money?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, he was. Of course he was. He came

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<v Speaker 2>into the office. And that's where we had secret cameras

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<v Speaker 2>showing him meddling with the camera equipment oh and then

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<v Speaker 2>we had it was really old school we had a

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<v Speaker 2>fake camera somewhere we sometimes you had fake cameras just

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<v Speaker 2>to look like you're wait is this.

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<v Speaker 1>For the shoppers just to deter them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah and then we put a real camera inside the

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<v Speaker 2>fake camera because he knew it was a fake camera oh.

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<v Speaker 1>He knew it was a fake camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah anyway they so they put these ring cameras around

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<v Speaker 2>the house she's moving them and playing with them Although

0:19:22.170 --> 0:19:24.290
<v Speaker 2>they didn't know, but had they known, they should have

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<v Speaker 2>put a real camera hidden that she didn't know about.

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<v Speaker 2>So she'd move the decoys, but she wouldn't move the

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<v Speaker 2>real one.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's my question. Were they putting ring cameras in

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<v Speaker 1>the house because they suspected that she was doing something wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Or did they just put ring cameras in the house

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<v Speaker 1>because Doris is 74, lives alone, and that was a

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<v Speaker 1>way to.

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<v Speaker 2>Have some protection? It's a good question, but I guess

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<v Speaker 2>as parents get older and stuff, you probably tend to

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<v Speaker 2>put cameras and stuff to help remotely kind of take

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<v Speaker 2>care of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you need to put, you should probably,

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<v Speaker 1>put some cameras in your parents house they have cameras

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<v Speaker 1>i did no like inside can you check on them

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<v Speaker 1>just like wandering around no they're on the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Of their house yeah yeah for security reasons right.

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<v Speaker 1>Um I feel like you have to, when you tell

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<v Speaker 1>these target stories, I feel like you have to give

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<v Speaker 1>a little more background information. Shane was a criminal justice major, right?

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<v Speaker 1>And then one of your first jobs out of college was,

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<v Speaker 1>what's it called? Risk management or something?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, asset management.

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<v Speaker 1>Asset management at Target. And it was one of his

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<v Speaker 1>favorite jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was his best job.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he has so many stories.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was good. It didn't pay very well.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't pay very well.

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<v Speaker 2>You can only grow so much. You can't do much

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<v Speaker 2>about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, that was one of your risk management stories.

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<v Speaker 1>But how did you know initially that the manager was

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<v Speaker 1>stealing money? What was the tip off?

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<v Speaker 2>Cash was disappearing. It's been a while, but cash was

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<v Speaker 2>disappearing from the register. And then when you went and

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<v Speaker 2>looked at the cameras and everything to see what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on, after a while, you start to realize it's

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<v Speaker 2>always when so-and-so is on shift. It's always like when

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<v Speaker 2>we're not there. And always the cameras happen to be

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<v Speaker 2>like shut off or the tape ran out or something. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Good job.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a gambling problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And he took $ 30, 000?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, over time, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The case proceeds slowly through pretrial litigation with multiple delays.

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<v Speaker 1>The significant factor, which we talked about before, is because

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Reddington is simultaneously the lead defense attorney in the

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<v Speaker 1>high-profile Lindsay Clancy trial in Plymouth County, and a scheduled

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<v Speaker 1>proceeding for Kelsey Cote is continued while he is occupied

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<v Speaker 1>with the Lindsay Clancy case. Now we get to early 2025.

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<v Speaker 1>Prosecutors announced that they found relevant evidence on Kelsey's cellular devices,

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<v Speaker 1>a detail highlighted by the Berkshire County DA's office as

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<v Speaker 1>significant to the case. I don't know what the relevant

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<v Speaker 1>evidence on her cellular devices. Maybe it's just her movement.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there's text messages or something. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know we know that she has Google searches of.

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<v Speaker 1>Soft parts of head and medical examiners. So that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>look good. Now that the Lindsay Clancy trial is over

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, even though we don't know what's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen with that, on September 4th, 2026, this

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<v Speaker 1>case is starting to resume again. Reddington speaks to reporters

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<v Speaker 1>outside the Plymouth Courthouse in regards to his client, Kelsey Cote.

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<v Speaker 1>And he says, quote, She is a very nice young lady.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to go on that too. And they've been

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<v Speaker 1>very patient. So between Lindsay and Kelsey, I'll get it done.

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<v Speaker 1>End quote. So there's Kevin Reddington.

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<v Speaker 2>Big talk, huh?

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<v Speaker 1>He's ready. He's ready to defend Kelsey Cote. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>interested to see what happens with that. The next court date.

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<v Speaker 1>This is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelsey is scheduled to appear in Berkshire Superior Court for

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<v Speaker 1>a suppression hearing. This is not the trial. She's not

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a trial date yet. But you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>many pre trial motions before a trial. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>the pre trial motions that she has a hearing on

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<v Speaker 1>this is on this is scheduled for September 28, is

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<v Speaker 1>a suppression hearing. Now suppression hearing is Obviously, Kevin Reddington,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the evidence that they've collected in this investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>they're having... I don't know the details of the suppression hearing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any details have come out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's likely all of the blood and the murder weapons.

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<v Speaker 1>He's clearly challenging.

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<v Speaker 2>Your Honor, this will clearly affect the outcome of this case.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like it all suppressed. We need to eliminate

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<v Speaker 2>all the DNA. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it will be interesting during the suppression hearing to

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<v Speaker 1>see what evidence... he says should be suppressed and on

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<v Speaker 1>what grounds.

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<v Speaker 2>That will be interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>That will be interesting. So we will see after that hearing,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there isn't a lot of detail about that right now. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a pretrial proceeding in which Reddington will argue

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<v Speaker 1>that certain evidence should be excluded from the trial. The

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<v Speaker 1>specific evidence has not been publicly confirmed. So like we said,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know what that is yet. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So given the.

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<v Speaker 1>Scope of the evidence in this case, Kelsey's statements to investigators,

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<v Speaker 1>physical evidence from the home, her vehicle and surveillance footage,

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<v Speaker 1>Google search history, ring camera footage, cell phone data and

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<v Speaker 1>financial records.

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<v Speaker 2>That's got to be a great job where you look

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<v Speaker 2>at you just you're the forensic guy on the phones.

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<v Speaker 2>You just download people's phones. Cause then you see even

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<v Speaker 2>like non-criminal stuff. That's probably pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You see the videos, you see all the text messages.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing's suppressed. You see it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be, that's a good job.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the job you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. You want that job? Just download people's phones and

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<v Speaker 2>just like peruse through it. Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So those are all the things that that's all the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that they're building against her. In this case, this

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<v Speaker 1>hearing will likely offer the first meaningful public window into

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<v Speaker 1>the defense strategy before a jury is ever seated. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting. The suppression hearing will probably maybe give a

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<v Speaker 1>little idea as to what the defense's strategy is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be. This hearing is interesting. So this is September 28th.

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<v Speaker 1>He has a suppression hearing in the Kelsey Cody case.

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<v Speaker 1>We will follow that because I want to know what

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence is. I want to know what the defense

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<v Speaker 1>strategy is. I want to know who's paying for Kevin Reddington,

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<v Speaker 1>but obviously that's not going to come out in the

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<v Speaker 1>suppression hearing. But there's a lot of things to learn

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<v Speaker 1>from this hearing. This is a busy man because then

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<v Speaker 1>September 29th, the following day, he has Lindsay Clancy is

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled to appear in Plymouth Superior Court where it may

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<v Speaker 1>be determined whether she will face a second murder trial

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<v Speaker 1>or not. Putting Reddington at the center of two major

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<v Speaker 1>Massachusetts cases simultaneously. So September 28th is Kelsey Cody, September 29th.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people, I saw a lot of things

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<v Speaker 1>posted online because I don't think people understand, but they

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<v Speaker 1>kept saying her trial, talking about Lindsay Clancy. They were

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<v Speaker 1>saying things like people were posting things like Lindsay Clancy's

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<v Speaker 1>trial begins September 29th. That is not what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a status hearing. That's when the prosecutors are going

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<v Speaker 1>to say whether they are going to retry her. So

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<v Speaker 1>it is not a trial. It is not a second trial.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a status on the charges against her.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a status hearing as to where they stand currently.

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<v Speaker 1>And I assume at that time the prosecution is going

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<v Speaker 1>to say whether they are going to retry her.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to retry her.

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<v Speaker 1>You think?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's such a big case to be like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's why I thought maybe they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>offer some kind of plea bargain. Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see. All right, so we're going to follow those

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<v Speaker 1>cases and we will continue to give updates on Kelsey

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<v Speaker 1>Cote and also on what happens at the status hearing

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