WEBVTT - From the Vault: The Sargasso Sea

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, are you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's Saturday. Time to go into the vault for an

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<v Speaker 1>older episode of the show. This one originally published April nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's about seaweed. But you never knew seaweed could

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<v Speaker 1>be so interesting and such a such a tangled web

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<v Speaker 1>of mystery. Yeah, not just the seaweed itself, but the

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<v Speaker 1>various organisms that call that seaweed home. Welcome to Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>to Blow your Mind, the production of My Heart Radio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And today we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to go into the wettest of the woods, the saltiest

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<v Speaker 1>of the woods. Today. The woods are salty, dark and deep,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have promises to keep and miles to float

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<v Speaker 1>before we sleep, because we're going to be looking at

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of jungle in the ocean. That's right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The ocean. Uh, it knows quite a mix of environments,

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<v Speaker 1>from rich coral reefs to desolate deep sea waste, from

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<v Speaker 1>sunlit shallows to hydrothermal vent heated depths, marine organisms, of

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<v Speaker 1>course face numerous challenges, but the most basic demands boiled

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<v Speaker 1>down to, you know, how not to end, how not

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<v Speaker 1>to die, how to prolong. It's era to quote waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for the barbarians, But this is especially true if you're

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<v Speaker 1>small or your young organism. You're gonna need food and

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna need shelter. Uh, And there's always gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>something trying to eat you. And for a number of organisms,

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<v Speaker 1>this is provided by Sargassum, a genus of brown seaweed

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<v Speaker 1>of sometimes brown, sometimes described as brown and orange um.

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<v Speaker 1>As we'll discuss there a number of different species here,

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<v Speaker 1>but uh, Sargassum thrives abundantly in the shan. It floats

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<v Speaker 1>free of the ocean floor. It provides a buoyant, free

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<v Speaker 1>floating environment that travels on the tides and offers food, refuge,

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<v Speaker 1>breeding grounds, nurseries, hunting grounds, et cetera for a wide

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<v Speaker 1>variety of organisms. So in this episode, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss the sargassum organisms themselves, the environment that they offer,

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<v Speaker 1>some of its benefactors, and also the problems posed by

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<v Speaker 1>the so called Great Atlantic sargassum belt. Yeah, and that

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<v Speaker 1>last point is interesting because I will say, when you

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<v Speaker 1>think of of seaweed, you think of the macroalgay world,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't usually think of it as something that is

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<v Speaker 1>particularly economically devastating or or even economically all that significant.

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<v Speaker 1>But but that that is not the case for sargassum. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as well, it's it's it's an interesting topic to explore

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<v Speaker 1>because in its present form, it kind of cuts both ways.

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<v Speaker 1>It's both vitally important to uh to so many organisms,

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<v Speaker 1>and a number of organisms that are then important to

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<v Speaker 1>us you know, various um uh, you know marine species

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<v Speaker 1>that we depend on, various fish and so forth. But

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<v Speaker 1>then on the other hand, uh, in an environment that

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<v Speaker 1>is increasingly out of balance, uh, it also poses a threat,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can pose quite a nuisance. So we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into all that. So what got you thinking about sarcassum

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<v Speaker 1>for today, Rob, Well, it's because tomorrow's episode of Weird

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<v Speaker 1>How Cinema will entail sargassum and casual mention of a

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<v Speaker 1>few of the creatures, one creature in particular that calls

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<v Speaker 1>at home. Um. Well, we'll try to save all of

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<v Speaker 1>that for tomorrow's episode. But but yeah, that was probably

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<v Speaker 1>the first place I heard of sargassum. The weed of deceit.

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering if we should announce the movie, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we should just make everyone wait to find out

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be wondering. Wait, is it a Jaws

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<v Speaker 1>clone where it's a big raft of seaweed instead of

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<v Speaker 1>a shark. Is it like the Blair Witch Project, but

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<v Speaker 1>instead of getting lost in the woods of Virginia or

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<v Speaker 1>wherever it is, you get lost in the woods of

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean of the Sargasso Sea. Well that the truth

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<v Speaker 1>will just suddenly strike out at them and there'll be

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<v Speaker 1>nothing they can do about it. Uh So, So tune

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<v Speaker 1>in tomorrow if you wish for that. But but for

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, we're going to focus on first on on sargassum,

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<v Speaker 1>the the organism. So sargassum glimpsed in the ocean or

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<v Speaker 1>on the beach, it might just look like a big

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<v Speaker 1>heap of brown mess. But about closer look, you'll notice

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<v Speaker 1>that it's composed of branches, leafy bits, and what looked

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<v Speaker 1>like plump berries. But they're not berries, So don't don't

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<v Speaker 1>pick them. Um. I mean, I guess you could pick them.

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<v Speaker 1>But what they are actually are new maticists. These are

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<v Speaker 1>air bubbles. Um. Uh, they are part of the organism

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<v Speaker 1>held that you know, in in these little cysts that

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<v Speaker 1>help it excel at floating around, right, Because of course,

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<v Speaker 1>there are different types of seaweed, and some types of

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<v Speaker 1>seaweed spend their life, you know, submerged in the water,

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<v Speaker 1>and they might be anchored down by a type of

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<v Speaker 1>organ known as a hold fast that is somewhat analogous

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<v Speaker 1>to like the root ball of a tree that holds it,

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<v Speaker 1>except in the case of seaweed, it would hold clumps

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<v Speaker 1>of seaweed to the ocean floor. Not entirely analogous, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>for many reasons, one of which is that uh, is

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<v Speaker 1>that the seaweed that we're talking about today is technically

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<v Speaker 1>not even a plant. It is a type of macroalgae,

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<v Speaker 1>which will explain more about. But in the case of sargassum, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there are types of sargassum that are free floating organisms

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<v Speaker 1>that spend much or all of their lives just floating

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the water to have good access to sunlight,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, which they need in order to make their

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<v Speaker 1>food to survive. But they've got to just sit there

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<v Speaker 1>and float on the top, and they're actually not even

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<v Speaker 1>anchored to the bottom at all, They just float out

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<v Speaker 1>in the open ocean. And I do just want to

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<v Speaker 1>stress again that the genus is sargassum, and there I

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<v Speaker 1>believe about a hundred and fifty species um all sargassum. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The hundred and fifty number, I got that from the

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean Foundation, though curiously I saw some higher numbers out

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<v Speaker 1>there as well. I don't know if those were accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sticking with the one fifty, right. So there are

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<v Speaker 1>different kinds that you'll find, especially in different parts of

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<v Speaker 1>the oceans around the world, right. Uh. And we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about some key ones though, that are the most abundant,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least in the the part of the world

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<v Speaker 1>that we're gonna be discussing here. So, as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>sargassum is a brown macro algae, So it is different

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<v Speaker 1>than plants. And how exactly is it different than plants? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is also important to stress because if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't think much about seaweed, you might just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you might just assume, well, right, it's some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of plant that grows in the water. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you might be reasonable to make that

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<v Speaker 1>assumption just based on its physical appearance, and certainly the

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<v Speaker 1>word seaweed um weeds are plants, yeah, and and seaweed

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<v Speaker 1>is also used informally a lot of times to describe

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<v Speaker 1>both the algae and some plant organisms. But the algae

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<v Speaker 1>are protests, meaning they are uh eukaryotic organisms, which are

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<v Speaker 1>not animals plants or fun guy um so land plants

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<v Speaker 1>for their part, they likely derived from freshwater algae about

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<v Speaker 1>five million years ago. An algae is, of course, when

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<v Speaker 1>we look at the just the root of the word um,

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<v Speaker 1>they're synonymous with seaweed, as alga is the Latin for seaweed. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you if you just think about algae like

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<v Speaker 1>the most I would say, if I was to go

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<v Speaker 1>on my own personal life experience, when I hear the

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<v Speaker 1>word algae by itself, what I tend to think of

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of green pond scum, you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>very like a something floating on top of a stagnant

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<v Speaker 1>freshwater body like a pond or a lake, that is

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<v Speaker 1>made of tiny little fibers that just kind of clumped together,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have any recognizable macro structures the way larger plants

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<v Speaker 1>like like flowers or trees would. But that is not

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<v Speaker 1>true of all kinds of algae. These macro algaees that

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<v Speaker 1>we see in these types of seaweed, they have more

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<v Speaker 1>complex structures that are more like the structures of land plants.

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<v Speaker 1>So they might have something that is akin to the

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<v Speaker 1>stalk of a land plant and something that is akin

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<v Speaker 1>to the leaves. In these cases, they would be algal fronds. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, again they look very plant like. You can

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<v Speaker 1>easily look at them and say, oh, they're they'll leave,

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<v Speaker 1>they're the berries. But uh, at any rate, again, a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty different species of sargassum. Uh, Though we're

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<v Speaker 1>generally gonna be talking about specific dominant species within given regions.

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<v Speaker 1>For instance, the two varieties found most often in the

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<v Speaker 1>Caribbean are Sargassum Natan's and Sargassum fluitans um. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it will be necessary to remember that, but just

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<v Speaker 1>know that again, we're gonna we're probably gonna refer to

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<v Speaker 1>sargassum a lot, just generally, but we're gonna ultimately be

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with specific species that are dominant within a given

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<v Speaker 1>a region. So sargassum reproduces a sexually through fragmentation, a

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<v Speaker 1>form of a sexual reproduction in which and split into fragments,

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<v Speaker 1>and those fragments then become adults. And furthermore, the Caribbean

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<v Speaker 1>sargasm species in particular, and some of these other varieties

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<v Speaker 1>that are important are hollow pelagic. That means that they

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<v Speaker 1>not only float freely on the ocean, but they also

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<v Speaker 1>reproduce vegetatively on the high seas. So they're they're completely

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<v Speaker 1>in international waters, you know, they're they're they're they're a

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<v Speaker 1>monkey knife fight that the land has no control over.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, but that would mean that they don't they

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<v Speaker 1>can do their whole life cycle without like anchoring to

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom at any point or returning to shore or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. Right, And that's gonna that's gonna become

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<v Speaker 1>important later on. It get it really gets in ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of sargassum being the weed of the seed,

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<v Speaker 1>so it grows abundantly in the ocean, where it forms

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<v Speaker 1>vast floating rafts, as it's sometimes called. Though um, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think these are rafts in the sense that you could,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, be a shipwrecked sailor at sea and climb

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<v Speaker 1>on top of it or hoist a sale on it,

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<v Speaker 1>but essentially just big rafts big floating chunks of of

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<v Speaker 1>the sargassum, all tingled together, stretching in some cases for miles,

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<v Speaker 1>and these form and areas of converging surface currents, and

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<v Speaker 1>in doing so they create a vital environment like we

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<v Speaker 1>alluded to earlier. But on top of the environment, the

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<v Speaker 1>organism itself provides food. According to the Ocean Foundation, sargassum

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<v Speaker 1>contributes and estimated six of the total primary production in

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<v Speaker 1>the upper one meter of the water column. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>that would refer to like different different stages of the

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<v Speaker 1>food chains. So you've got the primary producers that are

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<v Speaker 1>familiar to us. These are generally photosynthesizing organisms, like like

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<v Speaker 1>plants on land, you know that absorbs sunlight to power

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<v Speaker 1>the chemical reactions that make their bodies. And then you've

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<v Speaker 1>got the secondary uh, characters on the food chain that

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<v Speaker 1>eat the primary producers. You know that that eat plants

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<v Speaker 1>to survive. The same thing is true in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've got these primary producers that are at least

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<v Speaker 1>near the top of the water column are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be basing their their energy cycle on sunlight to to

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<v Speaker 1>produce these molecules that make up their body that that

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<v Speaker 1>in turn are eaten by other organisms that are the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the secondary organisms in that food chain. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's like you said at the very beginning, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the forest that we're discussing. Like in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>don't think of the ocean itself as the forest. Think

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<v Speaker 1>of the think of the sargassum. These are these rafts

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<v Speaker 1>of sargassum as the forest. Because the ocean, as we've

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<v Speaker 1>discussed in the show before, the ocean can be a wasteland.

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<v Speaker 1>The ocean can be a desert and um and in

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<v Speaker 1>that desert, the sargassum can be the oasis um. It

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<v Speaker 1>serves as a place of refuge for various creatures as

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<v Speaker 1>well as again breeding grounds nurseries. In fact, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>primary nursery for a number of important to human to humans,

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<v Speaker 1>especially fish species like the Mai mai. And given all

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<v Speaker 1>of this activity that's going on at the various creatures

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<v Speaker 1>that call it home, sometimes exclusively uh their home, it's

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<v Speaker 1>also prime stalking zone for many marine predators, So both

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<v Speaker 1>sargasm predators who live there and have evolved a thrive

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<v Speaker 1>in its environment, but also general marine apex predators that

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<v Speaker 1>are drawn in by the by by the riches there

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<v Speaker 1>by the biodiversity. Uh. Let's see if a few other

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of general um facts about sargassum. It can

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<v Speaker 1>survive wide temperature and salinity variances, and after about a year,

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<v Speaker 1>those new maticists that help it to remain buoyant, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>they lose their buoyancy and bits of sargassum will then

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<v Speaker 1>sink to the sea floor, where it will actually end

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<v Speaker 1>up providing carbon for various deep sea creatures. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>not only an important energy source for the sunlit shallow

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<v Speaker 1>regions of the sea, but for the dark depths as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, serving as kind of like that that nutrient

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<v Speaker 1>rainfall that we've talked about before that rains upon the

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<v Speaker 1>deep and indeed, when it washes up on the shore uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess for for the most part we're talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's washing up in manageable quantities um, it can

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<v Speaker 1>actually nourish beaches, uh, can prevent sand from blowing away. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it washes up, it also serves as a

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<v Speaker 1>food source for various coastal species. UM. And not only

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<v Speaker 1>is it generally not harmful to humans, it's actually edible.

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<v Speaker 1>More on that in a bit. UH. There are also

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<v Speaker 1>possible biofuel and pharmaceutical possibilities for sargassum um. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into some of the drawbacks later on, but but one

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<v Speaker 1>of the interesting things here is that like the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of just sargassum piling up on the beach again in

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<v Speaker 1>manageable quality quant quantities, it does bring to mind that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of um contest, that disagreement at times over what

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<v Speaker 1>constitutes the beach or what the beach should look like.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, should there be anything on the beach other

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<v Speaker 1>than um humans strolling and enjoying their vacation. You know? Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some of the some of the really beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>beaches out there, a lot of times they are manicured,

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<v Speaker 1>things like seaweed are collected regularly in order to have

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of Hollywood beach presented. Uh. And in many cases,

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<v Speaker 1>as an argument to me, may then no debris would

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<v Speaker 1>be on the beach naturally, and it in the right

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<v Speaker 1>quantities it can be important to keeping the sand from

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<v Speaker 1>washing away, keeping the beach from eroding, etcetera. I can

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<v Speaker 1>see the point of view that would say I'm okay

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<v Speaker 1>with the beach that has natural debris but not unmanageable

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<v Speaker 1>amounts of natural debris or artificial debris. I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>certainly you know you don't want too many beer cans.

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<v Speaker 1>That's going to kind of ruin your beach experience. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody wants to step on a beer can on the beach,

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<v Speaker 1>But likewise, nobody really wants to have to walk over

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<v Speaker 1>a tin foot high mound of sargassum like dead, rotting seaweed.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right now, Um, we're gonna be getting into the

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<v Speaker 1>history of humanities awareness and understanding of sargassum here. And

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<v Speaker 1>the first bit I want to share is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly early sailors described sargassum mats, and one individual in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Columbus. Uh, this was in when abundant sargas. Some

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<v Speaker 1>fooled Columbus into thinking he was approaching land. And I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find anything that really defined this for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you did, Joe, but I assume this

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<v Speaker 1>is what the term the weed of Deceit refers to

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that you might encounter sargassum mats out at

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<v Speaker 1>sea and you could make the same air that Columbus

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<v Speaker 1>made and think, oh, look at all the seaweed. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's it's thick. It's everywhere. We must be really close

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<v Speaker 1>to land at this point. Sure, I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the name comes from, but that makes sense. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So on September Columbus Road, and this is of course

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<v Speaker 1>translated uh quote, we have begun to see large patches

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<v Speaker 1>of yellowish green weed which seems to have been torn

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<v Speaker 1>away from some islander. Reef. I know better because I

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<v Speaker 1>make the mainland to be farther on. And then on

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<v Speaker 1>September I saw a great deal of weed today from

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<v Speaker 1>rocks that lie to the west. I take this to

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<v Speaker 1>mean we are near land. The weed resembles a grass,

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<v Speaker 1>except that it has long stalks and shoots and is

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<v Speaker 1>loaded with fruit like the like the mastic tree. Um

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<v Speaker 1>so h yeah, I guess. On the on September six,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like he was like, no, you can't fool me,

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<v Speaker 1>We're not that close to land. But on September sevent

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<v Speaker 1>he said, nope, we are close to land. Look at

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<v Speaker 1>all this seaweed. I had to look up with the

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<v Speaker 1>mastic tree is because I didn't know, but it's the

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<v Speaker 1>but it's known as Pistachia lentiscus. Ah. Yeah, I looked

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<v Speaker 1>up a picture of it as well, and I do

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<v Speaker 1>see some some prominent little round fruits berries that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the little berries that I assume that's that's what he

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<v Speaker 1>was comparing to the what what are actually newmaticists. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as we mentioned earlier, the neumatosists or these little tiny

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<v Speaker 1>berry shaped gas bladders that helped the seaweed float. But

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, yeah, it looks kind of like these

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<v Speaker 1>berries in a tree that would have been familiar to Columbus.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the looking at the mastic tree apparently is

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<v Speaker 1>useful for its resin. So a special note is the

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<v Speaker 1>Sargasso Sea. This is a truly vast patch of sargassum.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the Ocean Foundation, the Sargasso Sea is sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as the Atlantic Golden Rainforest. Uh and the

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<v Speaker 1>islands quote unquote uh in the Sargasso Sea can be

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<v Speaker 1>acres across, while the regions they occupy can stretch for

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<v Speaker 1>miles right now. The Sargasso Sea is interesting because it

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<v Speaker 1>is the only real sea in the world that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have any land boundaries. The Sargasso Sea is a sea

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<v Speaker 1>within an ocean. It's uh, this patch in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>of the Northern Atlantic. Basically, it's just a large patch.

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<v Speaker 1>If you were to look at the eastern coast of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States, UH and you know in the Caribbean

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<v Speaker 1>maybe with the bottom edge down around like Cuba and

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<v Speaker 1>UH in Puerto Rico, and then going up along the

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<v Speaker 1>the coast of North America up towards Newfoundland, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you just extend out east from there, there's this big

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<v Speaker 1>patch in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean which is

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Sargas So see now we should be

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<v Speaker 1>clear that it is not like blanket covered in sargassum seaweed,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are It is known for having large rafts

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<v Speaker 1>of sargassum seaweed within it, and the Sargasso Sea is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting in a number of ways. One thing about it

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<v Speaker 1>is it's known for having uh for being a place

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<v Speaker 1>where ships can easily become be calmed, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>a a risk that people who are not very familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with sea voyages might not think about very often. But

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<v Speaker 1>back in the days of sailing, one thing that was

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<v Speaker 1>really dangerous is if the winds die down and you

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<v Speaker 1>can't say, you know, there's nothing to propel your ship

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<v Speaker 1>in the direction where it needs to go. All throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the the Atlantic around the Sargasso sea, there tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be these wind currents, you know, they're there are winds

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<v Speaker 1>that will blow you UH, that will blow you east

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<v Speaker 1>to west, down from the from the coast of Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>down towards UH, towards the Caribbean, and towards the northern

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<v Speaker 1>coast of South America. And then there are winds and

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<v Speaker 1>and currents in the ocean that lead up north along

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<v Speaker 1>the east coast of North America. And then if you

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<v Speaker 1>go up north from there, there are winds and currents

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<v Speaker 1>that will lead you back towards the east from the west.

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<v Speaker 1>So essentially you create this box in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the North Atlantic that is surrounded by currents that go

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<v Speaker 1>in a circle around it. And this is often known

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<v Speaker 1>as the North Atlantic gyre. Now, anyone who has ever watched,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, any number of of sailing movies or TV shows,

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<v Speaker 1>or any TV show that includes like a a voyage

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<v Speaker 1>by sail across the ocean, This is a This is

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<v Speaker 1>almost a standard bottle episode right here where where suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>the ship UH is in a is in a region

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<v Speaker 1>where there's just no no wind at all, nothing could

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<v Speaker 1>propel them, and everybody just sets around and gets like

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<v Speaker 1>superstitious and Uh, and a little bit crazy until the

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<v Speaker 1>wind picks back up and saves everybody right. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine, like if you actually were traveling across the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantic and you didn't know what you were, what you

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<v Speaker 1>were going to see, or what was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Maybe you'd heard some tales of sea monsters.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows. You get into an area where there is

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<v Speaker 1>less wind than you're used to than when you traveled

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<v Speaker 1>into the area, you are suddenly be calmed, It becomes

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<v Speaker 1>hard to travel, and you're just kind of stuck there

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<v Speaker 1>in the water, and then you start seeing these weird

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<v Speaker 1>rafts floating around in the middle of the ocean towards you.

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<v Speaker 1>I can imagine that's pretty odd, And in fact, we

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<v Speaker 1>maybe don't have to imagine, because there are some historical

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<v Speaker 1>sources that that may well be referring to this. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's debatable whether they're referring to this or something else.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to look at the question how long

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<v Speaker 1>has the Sargasso Sea been written about? Uh. It gets

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<v Speaker 1>its current name from Portuguese sailors. I believe of like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the early modern period, or actually I think

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<v Speaker 1>before that, from like the fifteenth century. But but I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking around to see how far back written accounts

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<v Speaker 1>of the Sargasso c go. And I found an interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly applicable bit of history in a book by the

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<v Speaker 1>British archaeologist and Oxford professor Sir Barry Cunliffe, uh And

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<v Speaker 1>the book is called on the Ocean, the Mediterranean and

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantic from Prehistory to a D fIF hundred from Oxford

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<v Speaker 1>University Press in And this is in a chapter where

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<v Speaker 1>Cunliffe is writing about records of exploration west of the

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<v Speaker 1>Pillars of Heracles. So the Pillars of Heracles today are

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<v Speaker 1>understood to refer to the Strait of Gibraltar, that gap

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<v Speaker 1>between between Morocco and the Iberian Peninsula, where you can

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<v Speaker 1>just go through this narrow passage to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>the Mediterranean Sea and into the broad Atlantic Ocean. And

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<v Speaker 1>so he's writing about the exploration beyond this point out

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<v Speaker 1>to the west by the ancient cultures of North Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>Europe and Central Asia. And for for most of these cultures,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mediterranean Sea was of course their bread and butter.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the sea, even the Mediterranean Sea has has

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of dangers and mysteries to it. But sea voyages

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<v Speaker 1>within this region where you know, we're well understood for

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<v Speaker 1>for trade and and exploration and warfare and fishing and

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<v Speaker 1>all that. But sea voyages west into the Atlantic Ocean

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<v Speaker 1>or another story. And and so you get plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>tales and say Greek thought of Greek mythology about islands

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe lay out to the west of of the

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<v Speaker 1>Pillars of Hercules, way out there in the ocean, that

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<v Speaker 1>that is mostly unexplored by your people. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>early explorers who passed west of Gibraltar did so in

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<v Speaker 1>order to travel along the coast to the north or south.

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<v Speaker 1>So this would be traveling up along the coast of

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<v Speaker 1>the Iberian Peninsula, uh to form these ports along places

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<v Speaker 1>like Cadiz that became a Phoenician port, or south along

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<v Speaker 1>the coast of Africa. The Phoenicians and the Greeks did

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<v Speaker 1>this to various extents, but the vast and presumably mostly

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<v Speaker 1>empty Atlantic Ocean was not not among everybody, but widely

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<v Speaker 1>assumed in ancient times to be a place of mystery

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<v Speaker 1>and danger, especially by Greek authors. And Kunlift gives the

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<v Speaker 1>example of the ancient Greek poet Pindar, who was writing

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<v Speaker 1>in the early fifth century b c e. Uh And so,

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<v Speaker 1>to quote from Kunliffe here describing the Pillars of Heracles,

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<v Speaker 1>situated at the western extremity of the known world, far

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<v Speaker 1>from home, he advises, quote, what lies beyond cannot be

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<v Speaker 1>trodden by the wise or the unwise. One cannot cross

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<v Speaker 1>from Ghadeer towards the dark west. Turn again the sails

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<v Speaker 1>towards the dry land of Europe. The dark west. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this vast, stormy ocean. You you don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you know you travel out on it, Like would

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<v Speaker 1>would you even reach land if you kept sailing? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it was not known. However, Kunliffe writes that Phoenician

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<v Speaker 1>sailors were more adventurous in general in pushing westward uh

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<v Speaker 1>and about around the year six hundred b c E.

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<v Speaker 1>A Phoenician expedition sponsored by the pharaoh Necho the second

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<v Speaker 1>had been reported to have circumnavigated after and though we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the original sources for the account that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>about to describe, there are later Roman quotations of the

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<v Speaker 1>accounts of Phoenician sailors possibly pushing further west into the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantic in exploration. And one of these notable sailors was

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<v Speaker 1>a Carthaginian navigator named him Ilco. That's h I M

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<v Speaker 1>I l c O, who lived probably sometime in the

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<v Speaker 1>fifth century b c E. Now, the Carthaginians were an

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<v Speaker 1>ancient civilization that was based along the coast of North Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>I think their their capital was in modern day Tunisia.

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<v Speaker 1>But who expanded too much of the ancient Mediterranean? And

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<v Speaker 1>then here I'm going to read from Cunliffe as he

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<v Speaker 1>introduces and quotes another ancient source for for knowledge about Himilco.

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<v Speaker 1>So Himilco quote, whose report published long ago in the

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Annals of the Carthaginians, is selectively quoted in a

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<v Speaker 1>grossly pretentious poem compiled by our Roman administrator Rufus Festus A.

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<v Speaker 1>Viennas in the fourth century a d. A few lines

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<v Speaker 1>of his Aura maritima will suffice to give the flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>And then this quotes lines three four. To the west

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<v Speaker 1>of these pillars, Himilco reports that the swell is boundless,

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:25.080
<v Speaker 1>the sea extends widely the salt water streaks. Fourth, no

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 1>one has approached these waters. No one has brought his

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 1>keel into that sea, because there are no propelling breezes

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:36.000
<v Speaker 1>at sea, and no breath of Heaven's air aids the ship. Hence,

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.240
<v Speaker 1>because the mist cloaks the air with a kind of garment,

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:43.000
<v Speaker 1>a cloud always holds the swell and persists throughout the

0:25:43.080 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 1>humid day. And so that's describing possibly some of the

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.119
<v Speaker 1>becalmed area of the North Atlantic, with like within the

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Gyre region that we talked about before, you know, surrounded

0:25:53.920 --> 0:25:56.879
<v Speaker 1>by the currents, but is very often very still in

0:25:56.920 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 1>that middle area that overlaps with the Sargasso Sea. But

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:05.880
<v Speaker 1>then Cunliff goes on to describe further how Aviennas quotes

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 1>from Himilco to describe his voyage. Uh Cunliffe writes elsewhere

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:13.640
<v Speaker 1>he talks of monsters of the deep and beasts who

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:17.639
<v Speaker 1>swim amid the slow and sluggish crawling ships, and again

0:26:18.040 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 1>great fear of monsters stalks the deep when the wind falls,

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:26.160
<v Speaker 1>the sluggish liquid of the lazy sea is at a standstill,

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 1>while thick seaweed often tops the sea, and the tide

0:26:30.280 --> 0:26:34.880
<v Speaker 1>is hindered by the marshy rack. The marshy rack, oh

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:39.119
<v Speaker 1>yeah um. And Cunliff also says Himilko was evidently not

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.879
<v Speaker 1>enamored of his encounter with the ocean. Perhaps perhaps his

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 1>vessel was drawn south into the dull drums and reach

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the Sargasso Sea, as some commentators have suggested, Or perhaps

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:54.879
<v Speaker 1>he reported in this dispiriting way simply to aggrandize his

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.280
<v Speaker 1>own achievement and to deter others. Another possibility is that

0:26:58.359 --> 0:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>his original report was embroid loitered by a Viennas Uh.

0:27:02.200 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 1>So we don't know exactly what he's describing here and

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.800
<v Speaker 1>if what he's describing is real, especially since we're only

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>getting it quoted by a secondary source and we don't

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:14.120
<v Speaker 1>have the original source. But of course it is true.

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 1>There's the danger of the doldrums, the calm part of

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic, where you won't have winds to propel your

0:27:19.440 --> 0:27:22.640
<v Speaker 1>your sales, so you can very well get trapped there.

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>That could well overlap with large stretches of seaweed, the

0:27:26.160 --> 0:27:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Sargassum seaweed that you would find in the Sargasso Sea.

0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 1>So one possible interpretation of what we're getting here is

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:37.399
<v Speaker 1>that this ancient Carthaginian sailor him Ilco actually sailed to

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:42.600
<v Speaker 1>the Sargasso Sea, survived, returned to Carthage eventually, and you know,

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 1>lived to tell the tale. But again, it's worth stressing

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 1>that modern some modern scholars are are doubtful. It's hard

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 1>to know for sure, but some details line up if

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:54.440
<v Speaker 1>they're accurate. You get these reports about the marshy rack

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:58.199
<v Speaker 1>of seaweed coinciding with the Doldrums. It it lines up

0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 1>in a kind of interesting way. And then finally, of course,

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:03.719
<v Speaker 1>the mention of sea monsters right there, I wonder if

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:07.640
<v Speaker 1>it's possible to mistake the shadow of a huge floating

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.639
<v Speaker 1>raft of sargassum for a sea monster stalking the deep. Again,

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but it strikes me as possible. Yeah, Yeah,

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:17.960
<v Speaker 1>And well, once you get into discussing sea monsters, of course,

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>as we've we've explored in the show before, especially looking

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 1>at the work of the check then douser Um, Yeah,

0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:27.199
<v Speaker 1>on sea monsters. I believe he pointed out in his

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>book that you know, at times sea monsters are a

0:28:29.960 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>manifestation of u uh, certainly of of second and third

0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.199
<v Speaker 1>hand accounts of of actual organisms. Other times their products

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>of the mind. Sometimes they're products of of economic or

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>political forces. So they're the whole host of reasons uh

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 1>to to speak the word of the name of the

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>sea monster. But that's certainly the Yeah, the doldrums that

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.080
<v Speaker 1>seemed to be described here, and then the uh, the

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.960
<v Speaker 1>the the rack, the muck, the seaweed here this does

0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:00.160
<v Speaker 1>sound a lot like the descriptions modern description is of

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:02.959
<v Speaker 1>the s O c oh. And sorry, there's one thing

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>I didn't clarify, but just to avoid confusion, because it's

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>not a common word, I had to look this up.

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Rack here in this quotation is spelled with the W

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>W R A c K, And I was like, what

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>is that referring to? Is that like referring to like

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>a like a shipwreck, because rack sometimes is an alternate

0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>spelling of rack or wreckage. But also I looked it

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 1>up and apparently it is also just a word sometimes

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>used to refer to a massive seaweed like green vegetation.

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Could be oh, there is a rack with a W. Yeah, okay,

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 1>well sometimes that I wasn't familiar with the precise definition,

0:29:35.320 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 1>but I totally understood it in the context of the sentence.

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like, look at this rack. There's no getting through it.

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 1>So so certainly you can imagine that the rack would

0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 1>not be a great place to find yourself as a

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:53.600
<v Speaker 1>human sailor, certainly in in ancient times. But of course,

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 1>the rack is home to a great mini organisms, as

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 1>we've already alluded to here. So uh for one thing,

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:08.440
<v Speaker 1>you have you have various um micro and macro um epiphytes.

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 1>These are organisms that grow on the surface of a

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 1>plant and derived derives its moisture and nutrients from the air, rain,

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>and water. Uh. So you have that's those sorts of

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>organisms growing there. You have fun, guy. You have more

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 1>than a hundred species of invertebrates that are known to

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.280
<v Speaker 1>uh to to live within the sargassum, over a hundred

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 1>species of fish, four species of turtle again, and it

0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of spirals out because once you have a certain

0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>amount of of life uh fostered within the sargassum, it's

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>going to attract other things as well. So you'll see

0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>things like sharks showing up, etcetera. So we are not

0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>going to attempt to cover everything that lives in the sargassum,

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>but we are going to talk about some of the standouts,

0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 1>because there are some really fun, really interesting, really weird

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 1>organisms that call the rack home. Uh in the first

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>of which I want to talk about is the sargassum

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:03.440
<v Speaker 1>fish also known as the sargassum frog fish. Now is

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>this the one that you lured me into this episode with?

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Because the first thing that I became aware of when

0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>you were getting interested in sargassum was was that you

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>came to me and you said, Joe, there is a

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:17.360
<v Speaker 1>fish with hands. Yes, yes, this would be uh, this

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>would be the sargassum frog fish. Um and uh and

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'll and I'll explain what I mean by by hands.

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>And they're not quite hands, but they are enough like

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 1>hands that you're committed to get excited. Um and uh

0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, it's probably the most famous sargassum denizen. It's

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the species history of history o a frog fish of

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>the family uh at tananara day and it's the only

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>species of its genus. So uh, we'll describe them here,

0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.200
<v Speaker 1>but also feel free to look up images or video.

0:31:49.320 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's nothing quite like seeing video of these

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>these creatures. I think there's some wonderful national geographic footage.

0:31:56.200 --> 0:32:00.640
<v Speaker 1>But also the Weird House Cinema selection for tomorrow also

0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 1>will feature some actual footage of this creature right at

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the top. Um, So the uh. The sargassum fish grows

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 1>to around twenty centimeters in length, so about seven point

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>eight inches and I should I guess I should say,

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>first of all, they generally have this appearance that you'll

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:22.360
<v Speaker 1>find with other frog fish um and uh and and

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 1>they're related to uh into the angler fish of the deep. Uh.

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:31.720
<v Speaker 1>So they have these upturned mouths, which kind of give

0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>them kind of this uh, this frowny face look, this

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of froggy appearance and uh and and so that

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 1>that's the first thing to drive home about them. So

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>they have that that kind of body that I think

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 1>at number of you can get imagine, but I think

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>sometimes sort of think of it as the drawbridge jaw. Yes, yes,

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 1>that's a good way of describing a drawbridge jaw. And

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 1>of course, like like pretty much all fish, you know,

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>they're they're going to consume by by lunging and inhaling,

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, pulling their their prey rapidly into their mouth. Um.

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Their masters. These particular fish, though, uh, the sargassum fish

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:09.400
<v Speaker 1>are masters of camouflage, at least within the sargassum environment,

0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>because they've adapted to physically look like the sargassum, complete

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:18.479
<v Speaker 1>with fleshy appendages that look like weed. I've seen some

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:20.680
<v Speaker 1>of the some of the appendages have even been compared

0:33:20.920 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 1>to organisms that live within the weed um. So they

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>just they just they look like they're just a part

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:30.720
<v Speaker 1>of the environment. You'll see images or even footage sometimes

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>of the sargassum fish hiding in the seaweed, and you

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 1>really cannot pick them out with a human eye. I

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 1>think at some point I watched a documentary or part

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 1>of a documentary that had some of these in it,

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and it was one of those like, you know, trick

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:46.480
<v Speaker 1>shots where they show you the shot and then it's like,

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>there are three sargassum fish in the shot, you can't

0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.400
<v Speaker 1>see them at all, and then has to like circle

0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 1>them or zoom in on them or something. I think

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 1>I've seen the same one. Yeah. Um. But of course

0:33:57.000 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>it's not just their physical structure and initial coloration. Other

0:34:00.600 --> 0:34:03.440
<v Speaker 1>cool thing about them is they can further adjust their

0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:06.720
<v Speaker 1>coloration from dark browns and greens to light browns and

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>greens to complete the illusion, to to fine tune it

0:34:10.600 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 1>so that they blend in, you know, seemingly completely um.

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.120
<v Speaker 1>And they can do this quite rapidly as well. This

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:19.880
<v Speaker 1>is important for the sargassum fish because again it is

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>a voracious hunter, but also it's the jungle baby so

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.560
<v Speaker 1>you know they're they're also they also also have to

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:29.280
<v Speaker 1>be on guard against other predators, so it also helps

0:34:29.440 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 1>protect them. Now they let's get to the hands, so

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:37.800
<v Speaker 1>if you will. Uh. So, theirs their pelvic fins uh.

0:34:37.840 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 1>You know the fins up front. They have nine to

0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 1>eleven rays uh in them and they're stalked, essentially forming

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 1>what act like clause. Basically, they can use these things

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:52.280
<v Speaker 1>again they look like claws, they look like fish clause,

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:55.080
<v Speaker 1>and they can use these to grip objects, and they

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:59.400
<v Speaker 1>use these to clamber over and through the seaweed. Okay,

0:34:59.440 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 1>so they can use them to grip objects, not in

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.360
<v Speaker 1>the sense of like like our fingers, where you would

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 1>manipulate objects freely, but they can grip things in the

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 1>sense of like sort of pushing against surfaces. Right. Yeah,

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.239
<v Speaker 1>they're not gonna be able to use an iPhone. They

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:17.359
<v Speaker 1>can't play the piano worth of darn, but but they

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>can use these appendages. You have to sort of grip

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 1>and push through things, which is gonna be vitally important

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 1>when you're hanging out in the sargassum like little gravoid spines. Yeah,

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>so they're really cool. Definitely look up, I mean they're

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>beyond cool. They're a little creepy looking. I highly recommend

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.200
<v Speaker 1>checking them out. Um. So, so obviously the adults live

0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:41.759
<v Speaker 1>in the mats and their eggs are placed there as well,

0:35:41.800 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 1>but the larvae develop in the water columns between fifty

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>and six deep. Um. And you might think, well that,

0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I guess the sargasum environment then is just no place

0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 1>for for kids, right um, And this is this is

0:35:55.719 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 1>certainly the case, especially since the sargassum fish is more

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>than happy to eat them as l so they're in

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 1>they're not only incredibly voracious, but their notorious cannibals. I

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 1>was reading about some of the studies where they've they've

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 1>caught sargassum fish and they've they've looked inside at their

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.520
<v Speaker 1>bellies and they'll find like multiple juveniles. You know, they'll

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 1>find some juveniles and they just they'll just just gobble

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:21.160
<v Speaker 1>them up. Delicious. Yeah. So again, just a fabulous fish.

0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Just it's everything about it is UH is both beautiful

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and frightening, uh in just the right proportions. Now, they're

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 1>not the only creature that that that lives there. Again,

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 1>and they're not the only creature that that takes sargassum

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 1>as part of its uh you know, official or unofficial name.

0:36:39.560 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 1>For instance, there's the sargassum pipe fish. This is a

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 1>species of pipe fish that makes his home in the

0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 1>sargassum mats. Uh, And like all pipe fish and seahorses,

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 1>the male carries the egg. Um. They're just into these

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>elongated um, you know, beautiful fish with that kind of signature.

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Uh seahorsey head now um, just briefly a couple of

0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>other organisms. The first in general should say that that

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 1>the Sargasso Sea in particular as the spawning site for

0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 1>various eels uh, including threatened and endangered eels. But speaking

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:15.040
<v Speaker 1>of decapods, there is also worth our consideration the Sargassum

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 1>swimming crab or U. Portunists say, I uh, this is

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 1>uh just one variety of crab you'll find in sargassum mats,

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 1>but it's an impressive one and a species adapted to

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>blend into the environment. They have an orange brown colorization

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:34.000
<v Speaker 1>that apparently matches up with the sargassum pretty well, and

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:38.319
<v Speaker 1>as the name implies, they're more adapted for swimming than walking. Uh.

0:37:38.400 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>The fourth pair of legs are modified into paddle like structures. Now, crabs,

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>of of course, are noted for walking sideways, So you

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 1>might wonder how does it swim, Well, they tend to

0:37:49.840 --> 0:37:53.000
<v Speaker 1>swim sideways as well. Uh, and apparently they're quite fast.

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>They depend on a mix of active and passive hunting,

0:37:56.239 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>so they'll they'll actively chase after something against sideways to

0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 1>catch it, but they'll also fall back on that that

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:09.799
<v Speaker 1>sort of ambush hunting within the jungle of the sargassum. Yeah. Now,

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 1>in addition to these organisms that spend all or most

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.759
<v Speaker 1>of their lives in the sargassum, there are also organisms

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:22.040
<v Speaker 1>that use sargassum as a sort of like a stepping

0:38:22.160 --> 0:38:26.480
<v Speaker 1>stone during their migration patterns. One example that's often referenced

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 1>would be young sea turtles. Yeah, and I've also heard

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 1>that it's important to even like migratory bird space species. Again,

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:37.360
<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's an oasis in the waste, an oasis

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:45.720
<v Speaker 1>in the desert of the sea. Than so, Now, earlier

0:38:45.760 --> 0:38:49.320
<v Speaker 1>we we alluded to the sargassum being not not only

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>this this bountiful environment, but also potentially a problem, a

0:38:53.920 --> 0:38:57.640
<v Speaker 1>problem for humans and the sort of human likes and

0:38:57.680 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 1>dislikes concerning beaches. But all so just for the environment

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 1>as a whole. As the Ocean Foundation points out, it's

0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 1>ecologically important the sargassum, but it doesn't mean it doesn't

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 1>have some downsides, especially when you're dealing with large volumes, right,

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 1>And this is something that's become especially a problem within

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:22.040
<v Speaker 1>just the last decade or so. Actually, it can really

0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:24.600
<v Speaker 1>be dated to a year in particular from what from

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>everything we've been reading for the year two thousand eleven.

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Starting around two thousand eleven, something started happening with sargassum

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>in the Atlantic Ocean, where there was a sudden increase

0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:40.840
<v Speaker 1>that has gone on in many years since then of

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 1>of sargassum inundations where beaches and shorelines along areas in

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 1>the Caribbean, along the coast of Florida, along places in

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 1>the coast of the northern coast of South America would

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 1>just be caked with sargassum, like they're just mounds and

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 1>mounds of seaweed piling up to the point that it

0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:04.799
<v Speaker 1>in some cases would make these shores unusable for what

0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.520
<v Speaker 1>humans have been using them for, usually in in the

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.759
<v Speaker 1>years beforehand. Yeah, if if any of you out there

0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>are are snorkelers or are you know, related to our

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:18.960
<v Speaker 1>friends with snorkeling enthusiasts, then you've you've probably heard about

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the blight of sargassum, about the disappointment of of, say,

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, reaching a popular snorkeling area and finding that

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 1>there's just sargassum everywhere, um, you know. So it's in particular.

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:32.839
<v Speaker 1>One of the things that the Ocean Foundation points out

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 1>is huge rafts of it can actually smother other sea

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:40.879
<v Speaker 1>grasses and even coral reefs. Um. You know. Granted, coral

0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:44.719
<v Speaker 1>reefs are facing uh a number of problems, um you know,

0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and and uh and we've gone into that in past episodes.

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 1>But but certainly this could disrupt your ability to even

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 1>properly view them as a as a tourist in the ocean,

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.239
<v Speaker 1>as a as a snorkeler um, you know, out there

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:01.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to to observe this natural habitat. Uh. It can

0:41:01.719 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 1>also this is interesting this this has brought up as well.

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Apparently sargassum can serve as a means of transport for

0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:13.359
<v Speaker 1>invasive species, though UM I honestly wonder if this at

0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:18.120
<v Speaker 1>all compares to human enabled invasive species transport. It seems

0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 1>like um it almost wouldn't matter compared to what humans

0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.960
<v Speaker 1>can and have done. Um, you know, importing species like

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:29.080
<v Speaker 1>the lion fish into regions that um, that that are

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 1>not balanced enough to to contain them. Well, yes, but

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I would also say that there I think there is

0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:39.839
<v Speaker 1>at least a strong likelihood that human behavior is a

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:45.680
<v Speaker 1>major contributor to these these new build ups of sargassum. Yeah,

0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>and we'll and we'll get into into more of that

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.200
<v Speaker 1>in just a second. Um, just a few more points

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.839
<v Speaker 1>here that the Ocean Foundation made uh. Sargassum of course

0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>can prevent boats and fishermen from setting out to sea.

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.600
<v Speaker 1>It can also prevent sea turtles from making it to

0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 1>net in these cases as well. So you know, again

0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 1>you have it massing up on the beach in particular,

0:42:06.920 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 1>if it's um, you know a certain amount of that

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 1>is arguably good for the beach, but if you have

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:15.160
<v Speaker 1>too much of it, yeah, it's gonna actually interfere potentially

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 1>in a sea turtle's ability to come on shore lady

0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:21.080
<v Speaker 1>eggs and then have the hatchlings be able to properly

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:23.840
<v Speaker 1>get back out to sea again in in an appropriate

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:26.640
<v Speaker 1>amount of time. And if it masses on the beach,

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.480
<v Speaker 1>the sargassum it. If it's not removed in time, it

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 1>can produce hydrogen sulfide, which can have a major can

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 1>have major detrimental effects on coastal ecosystems. Yeah, I mean

0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 1>it can have all kinds of negative effects on the

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:41.880
<v Speaker 1>wildlife itself. I mean, one would be like if it

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:43.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't reach the beach, if you're just talking about it

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>still being in the water. Big blooms of algal organisms

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 1>in the water can have downstream effects when the blooms

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:57.720
<v Speaker 1>eventually die and then there's all of this dead, decomposing

0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 1>material in the water, and then the decomposition of the

0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 1>material ends up robbing the water of dissolved oxygen, which

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:08.840
<v Speaker 1>in turn leads to these big fish die offs and

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 1>die offs of other organisms because there's not enough oxygen

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 1>in the water for them to breathe. Yeah, and also

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>all that decomposition in the water can promote harmful blooms

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:20.160
<v Speaker 1>of bacteria and other microbes. I guess the way to

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 1>to to think of it is it's basically like spiraling

0:43:25.080 --> 0:43:30.280
<v Speaker 1>imbalance in the ecosystem and uh and and uh it's

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 1>it's place in this this this this cascade of imbalance.

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Now to get kind of a I guess, sort of

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 1>a bird's eye or I guess satellite view of things UM.

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:44.759
<v Speaker 1>I found this pretty helpful. I was looking at a

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 1>July twenty nineteen article from NASA Goddard. They utilize the

0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:54.839
<v Speaker 1>satellite images to observe the Great Atlantic sargassum belt uh

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 1>so at this point, based on simulations, they confirmed that

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 1>its shape was due to ocean purnants and that it

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 1>can grow large enough so as to blanket the surface

0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:08.000
<v Speaker 1>of the Tropical Atlantic from the west coast of Africa

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:12.400
<v Speaker 1>to the Gulf of Mexico. Major blooms have occurred in

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:16.880
<v Speaker 1>every year between twenty eleven and again, this was a

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:19.359
<v Speaker 1>July article, so that's as far up as it went

0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 1>at the time. UH with the exception of which this

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 1>was apparently uh in this year was impacted by unusually

0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>low seed populations during the winter, but otherwise eleven onward,

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 1>it's been sargassum season. Prior to eleven, most of the

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 1>free floating sargassum in the ocean was primarily found in

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:43.359
<v Speaker 1>patches around the Gulf of Mexico and the Sargasso Sea.

0:44:43.719 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 1>But then something changed, something seemingly in the biochemistry the ocean. Obviously,

0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, people were asking a lot of questions about

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:55.800
<v Speaker 1>climate change. Uh, and and ultimately I guess the reality

0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:58.960
<v Speaker 1>is is complicated, but basically yes, it's pointed out by

0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>a doctor Paul all up Bon Tempi of NASA's Ocean

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Biology and Biogeochemistry Program, the ocean's biochemistry is changing due

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.200
<v Speaker 1>to a mix of natural and human forces, and it

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:14.320
<v Speaker 1>seems to be leading to an ecosystem shift with important

0:45:14.360 --> 0:45:17.520
<v Speaker 1>implications for marine life and human life, since we depend

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:19.759
<v Speaker 1>on many of the species in question and live in

0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and in many of the environments that are impacted. UH.

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 1>Climate change is certainly a key aspect of this, as

0:45:26.880 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 1>it impacts precipitation and ocean circulation, but increased water temperatures

0:45:32.600 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 1>specifically don't seem to be the cause. It's these other causes.

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>But again, uh, climate change is very much part of

0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the issue. I don't want to make it sound like

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:43.919
<v Speaker 1>it's not. Yeah, if you're If you want to read

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 1>more in depth about this research, there's a really good

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 1>article in the Atlantic by Ed Young from July nineteen

0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 1>called hy waves of seaweed have been smothering Caribbean beaches. Again.

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.600
<v Speaker 1>This from July nineteen by ed Young. Uh, that's worth

0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:00.160
<v Speaker 1>looking up, and it gets into a lot of the

0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 1>difficulty and uncertainty and trying to figure out exactly what

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:06.759
<v Speaker 1>the underlying factors leading to this change that we first

0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:11.000
<v Speaker 1>saw in the year two thousand eleven was establishing this

0:46:11.000 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 1>this huge belt of sargassum that was not there previously.

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 1>And and what we want to be very clear, this

0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Atlantic sargassum belt is different from the sargassum in the

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Sargasso Sea. The Sargasso Sea is further north in the

0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:26.520
<v Speaker 1>North Atlantic off the east coast of of like the

0:46:26.600 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 1>United States, whereas this would be something that stretches more

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>between Brazil and Africa. In fact, one of the things

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 1>that ed Young writes about in this article was the

0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>very idea of the satellite photos that you were talking

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>about that one of the fortunate things for studying sargassum

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:47.759
<v Speaker 1>blooms on the large scale is that sargassum reflects more

0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 1>infrared light than the sea water around it, So when

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:54.759
<v Speaker 1>you look down with satellites, sargassum patches can appear as

0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.760
<v Speaker 1>hot spots in the ocean that can be seen from space.

0:46:58.800 --> 0:47:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Young sites the researcher named Jim Gower of the Fisheries

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 1>and Oceans Canada for for doing this satellite research. But yeah,

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:11.799
<v Speaker 1>these satellite photos found that the bloom really began in

0:47:12.000 --> 0:47:15.040
<v Speaker 1>April of two thousand eleven, which correlates with you know

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:17.640
<v Speaker 1>these times when these pile ups on the beaches, the

0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 1>sargassum inundations really started becoming a problem that people noticed,

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 1>but they started noticing the blooms off the coast of

0:47:26.640 --> 0:47:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Brazil and the satellite images from two thousand eleven and

0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 1>then Young also points to research by someone named Ming

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 1>Chi Wang from the University of South Florida who, along

0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:41.240
<v Speaker 1>with her colleagues, they've basically established that, yeah, this bloom

0:47:41.360 --> 0:47:43.959
<v Speaker 1>is just going to be an ongoing yearly thing. Now,

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 1>uh that that it's coming and it's probably not gonna stop. Though.

0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>One of the interesting things this article gets into is

0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:55.480
<v Speaker 1>a delay between the proximate causes that are likely leading

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 1>to the blooms and then when the blooms show up

0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:00.640
<v Speaker 1>within you know, what we can see with our satellites

0:48:00.719 --> 0:48:03.840
<v Speaker 1>or what's piling up on our beaches. Because a couple

0:48:03.880 --> 0:48:07.400
<v Speaker 1>of the factors that have been identified as likely candidates

0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:12.560
<v Speaker 1>leading to these blooms, one is um is water being

0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.719
<v Speaker 1>discharged from the Amazon River, you know, coming out of

0:48:15.719 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 1>South America. UM. And this water coming out of the

0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Amazon River is probably being especially saturated with nutrients from

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>agriculture that's happening all along the Amazon basin, and so

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 1>this is like it's like fertilizer that is flooding into

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:37.680
<v Speaker 1>the ocean, and then of course that is feeding blooms

0:48:37.880 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 1>of of this macro algae. And then there are other

0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:43.879
<v Speaker 1>factors they get into that are probably contributing, such as

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:46.520
<v Speaker 1>like what the different temperatures are this year. It's the

0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:49.400
<v Speaker 1>same thing you were talking about that um that climate

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 1>change doesn't seem to be the cause of it in

0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:56.560
<v Speaker 1>the sense of increasing ocean temperatures lead to uh, lead

0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to macro algy blooms, because that doesn't appear to be

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the case, but downstream, other effects of climate change are

0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:06.239
<v Speaker 1>very likely contributing to this. It's just not the temperature

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 1>of the water itself. Another factor that they're talking about

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 1>is access to the seed populations of of seaweed. It's like,

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 1>how many patches of seaweed are there leftover that survived

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the winter of the previous year and can act as

0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:25.400
<v Speaker 1>a kind of seed for the regrowth of the seaweed

0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:28.440
<v Speaker 1>every new season. Yeah, because I think it kind of

0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>brings back that point about the neumaticis having a like

0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:34.680
<v Speaker 1>a year's lifespan, so there's going to be a certain

0:49:34.680 --> 0:49:37.279
<v Speaker 1>amount of crossover as well there from one year to

0:49:37.280 --> 0:49:40.320
<v Speaker 1>the next. Um. I was impressed one of the quotes

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 1>that you pulled from the from the Young article just

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:47.680
<v Speaker 1>about how many tons of seaweed we're talking about here? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:49:47.719 --> 0:49:49.640
<v Speaker 1>So the estimate, I think this would be referring to

0:49:49.680 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 1>the year previous to when this article was written, so

0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:54.319
<v Speaker 1>that it was published in twenty nineteen, So I think

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:58.400
<v Speaker 1>this would be referring to the summer of eighteen during June,

0:49:58.560 --> 0:50:02.120
<v Speaker 1>when the Sargassin Belt was at at its most fruitful.

0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:07.239
<v Speaker 1>It was estimated to contain twenty two million tons of seaweed.

0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:10.840
<v Speaker 1>And then there's even a clarification later in the article

0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:16.120
<v Speaker 1>that that estimate is probably low since the resolution of

0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the satellite camera that's taking the infrared imagery to establish

0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:23.160
<v Speaker 1>that number, it has like a minimum sort of pixel

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.239
<v Speaker 1>distance resolution, so it can only see patches that show

0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:28.880
<v Speaker 1>up at a minimum resolution of something like a kilometer.

0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it was it could be wrong about that. Uh.

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Doing that just tough memory, but I think that's what

0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:36.040
<v Speaker 1>it was. And uh. And so like patches that are

0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:38.600
<v Speaker 1>smaller than that, with which there are probably plenty, they're

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:41.439
<v Speaker 1>not even really showing up on the imaging. So that's

0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:43.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot of seaweed. That's a lot of seaweed, folks,

0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:48.120
<v Speaker 1>and and that's ending up on a lot of it's

0:50:48.200 --> 0:50:51.160
<v Speaker 1>ending up on the shores eventually. But one thing that

0:50:51.280 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>is worth stressing again is that while researchers have probably

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 1>identified some very good candidates for the explanations of of

0:50:58.680 --> 0:51:02.080
<v Speaker 1>these blooms and inndations of sargassum in the last decade

0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:05.160
<v Speaker 1>or so, there's still some uncertainty. There's like stuff we

0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:07.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know about what what could be leading to it,

0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and what could be the limiting and contributing factors. Anyway,

0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:14.399
<v Speaker 1>the article by ed Young is a really good read.

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<v Speaker 1>You should look it up. Yeah, absolutely, I recommend that one. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in the past, I think it's been brought

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<v Speaker 1>up when we're dealing with invasive species or species that

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<v Speaker 1>are out of balance, one of the best things that

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<v Speaker 1>you can do is develop an appetite for that species. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In human beings now I don't I don't think anybody's

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<v Speaker 1>making an argument that that could make a difference with

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<v Speaker 1>the sargassum. But it is again worth noting that sargassum

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<v Speaker 1>is something that humans can eat. Uh. We mentioned that already,

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<v Speaker 1>and I found a wonderful blog titled Eat the Weeds

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<v Speaker 1>with Green Dean. Um. So his name is Dean, but

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<v Speaker 1>he's Green Dean. Get it and the blogs. The blog

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<v Speaker 1>is titled Sargassum Sea Vegetable and in this post, Green

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<v Speaker 1>Dean points to a few different culinary traditions that have

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<v Speaker 1>recipes for sargassum. Uh. Though he points out that given

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<v Speaker 1>the different species, basically it's sargassum is going to quote

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<v Speaker 1>very in taste and texture, so there is no one

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<v Speaker 1>way to cook your local species. Uh. He says that

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<v Speaker 1>some amount of experimentation is going to be required, but

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<v Speaker 1>basically he goes through different cuisines. In this post, points

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<v Speaker 1>out that sometimes it's consumed fresh, other times it's cooked,

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<v Speaker 1>saying coconut milk or vinegar or lemon juice. Other times

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<v Speaker 1>it's smoke dried, or it's boiled. Sometimes it's even sweetened

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<v Speaker 1>and put into steam buns. Sometimes it's cooked with fish. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just numerous ways to approach it. But it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth checking out the link. I recommend it. It said

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<v Speaker 1>eat the weeds dot com. You'll find a post on

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<v Speaker 1>the sargasm sea vegetable. Um. I'm not sure I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>had sargassum in a dish. Maybe I have, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just wasn't alert to it that now I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>I really, I really want to have it. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I have either. I mean, I've had a

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<v Speaker 1>number of seaweed salads, but I don't know what species

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<v Speaker 1>were in them. Yeah. Well I know some basic things.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know like comb and Combo of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is a seaweed based food additive that is an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>source of umami flavor. It's it's it's almost like raw msg.

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<v Speaker 1>It's that it's good stuff um. But but yeah, other

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<v Speaker 1>than that, I don't know. I mean, I've had I've

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<v Speaker 1>had like various seaweed salads at Japanese restaurants that have

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<v Speaker 1>had different types of seaweeds, some that looked kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like orange brown, like like some species of sargassum do.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe I have. I don't know. Huh, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've i've only I know I've at least one

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<v Speaker 1>time had like a sampler of seaweed salads from the

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese restaurant. But in those cases, I think they were

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<v Speaker 1>all still rather green. They didn't have um any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of darker coloration. So I don't know. I'm gonna look

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<v Speaker 1>for it now now it is on it is it

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<v Speaker 1>is something I want to specifically try out, knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>it is sargas them. I just looked it up to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure I thought that combu was not sargassum, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is not. Combu is a type of kelp. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously we'd love to hear from everyone out there about

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<v Speaker 1>this topic in general, but but specifically on this question

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<v Speaker 1>of the cooking and the consumption of sargassum. If you've,

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<v Speaker 1>if you've, you definitely know you've had it, and you've

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<v Speaker 1>had it in a particular way that was yummy or

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<v Speaker 1>or or or not yummy. Let us know we would

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<v Speaker 1>in general, any feedback about about the various organisms we've

0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:36.520
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