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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbo ull that for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm for it.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: be happy. You want to be happy for dake Edo State?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Whoo whoo?

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Speaker 2: And then and tie.

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Speaker 3: Dan Rubinstein, we have our national championship set. It is

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Speaker 3: going to be the Notre Dame fighting IRISU. It is

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Speaker 3: going to be the Ohio State buck guys. Notre Dame

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Speaker 3: one on Thursday night by a twenty seven to twenty

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Speaker 3: four score, and nail Bider will talk about that. We

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Speaker 3: just got done watching Ohio State take it to Texas

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Speaker 3: by a twenty eight to fourteen scorer. Ooh, obviously talk

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Speaker 2: It is set.

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Speaker 3: The tournament has one game left, My good friend, welcome

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Speaker 3: back to the show.

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I think I'm excited. You know, I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to corral all my motions all here once. But it

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Speaker 1: has felt like a longer playoff because it's in a

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Speaker 1: longer playoff. But we got two very exciting games deep

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Speaker 1: into fourth quarters, which has not always been the case

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Speaker 1: as we've watched semi finals in the playoff era. So

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Speaker 1: it seems like a win of a past twenty four

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Speaker 1: for the spirit of competition.

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Speaker 3: got a big week here in the verballerhood as we

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Speaker 3: get ready for this game. Yes, my Notre Dame fighting

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Speaker 3: Irish are in the game. I guess I had one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent chance of getting at least one team into

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Speaker 3: this National Championship. I will admit I was very conflicted

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Speaker 3: when we did our stream on Thursday night, and it

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Speaker 3: hit me about midway through I probably should not have

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Speaker 3: it kind of bottled me up a little bit from

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Speaker 3: expressing my pure fan emotion.

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Speaker 2: But it was a good game. It was a nail bier.

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Speaker 3: It was a pleasure to share the field of battle

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Speaker 3: with you these last two nights. Yeah, how would you

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Speaker 3: like to recap these games? Where would you like to start?

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Speaker 1: I think we start where it's fresh. I think we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the scoop and score for Jack Sawyer which put

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Speaker 3: It was a tough play, strip sack, strip, fumble, scoop

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was another play, another chapter on the Texas

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Speaker 1: Ohio State did. Said absolutely paid off. The Buckeyes live

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Speaker 1: It was a lost to Michigan, Explosive Tennessee, explosive Oregon,

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Speaker 3: So this game didn't go unlike what we discussed in

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Speaker 3: So they just found a really good way to use

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Speaker 3: But it was a really big deal when Will Howard

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Speaker 3: there's just so many different ways that they can beat

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Speaker 3: They were able to keep most of the Ohio State

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Speaker 3: They were able with their front four as the game

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Speaker 3: you so many different ways. Right, Yes, the answer is yes.

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Speaker 1: But and it's probably not a conversation piece for today,

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Speaker 1: But Texas is scoring fifteen, seventeen, nineteen, fourteen points in

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Speaker 2: So well that's a separate conversation.

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Speaker 1: You're right, Like it's what seventeen against Texas A and

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Speaker 3: Do think that's the confounding thing for me, because we

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Speaker 3: I mean, they got a good matchup, they were able

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Speaker 1: But I have doubt because I just listed games that

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Speaker 3: But the confounding part is that you do have moments

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Speaker 1: For sure, it's between the twenties and that's fine, and

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Speaker 1: it's great. And he called the best offense arguably ever

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Speaker 1: that twenty twenty Bama team, right the Mac Jones, DeVante Smith, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just this is how how many

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Speaker 1: Capital g Gray. This is a great Ohio State is

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Speaker 1: a complete Ohio State team. At a certain point, Texas

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Speaker 1: how they came out in this game and didn't really

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Speaker 1: passes when yours had the nice touchdown passes to Jaden Blue, right,

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Speaker 1: they were both to Blue. I just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I came away from this game saying to myself, I

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Speaker 1: think Chip Kelly is just out dueling Sark Chip Kelly

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Speaker 1: keeping two high safeties. What are we going to do?

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Speaker 1: Toumalu was hobbled and it didn't seem to matter all

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Speaker 3: The other thing that I'll mention and then we can

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Speaker 2: For the most part, Will Howard is putting the ball

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now that's not a blanket statement. Of course, every

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Speaker 1: They've got one starting defensive lineman, They've got one and

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Speaker 3: For those who are wondering the early line, and I

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Speaker 3: My hunch is that that will change, It may go up.

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Speaker 3: This game was on Thursday night. We did do a stream.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get ties raw unfiltered reaction YouTube dot com,

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame one twenty seven to twenty four and a

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Speaker 1: You have to evaluate both your happiness and disappointment in

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Speaker 3: I think the right way to talk about this game

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Speaker 1: Which the ref called for, which the call he saw

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Speaker 2: Apparently nothing, Okay. What I did not have on the

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Speaker 3: Was Steve Angeli, Notre Dame's backup quarterback, coming in giving

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Speaker 2: He was six of seven.

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Speaker 3: There's three things. There's three things. There's three things, right,

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about momentum. Now, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: Okay, talk about those moments.

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Speaker 3: We talk about it all the time on this show.

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Speaker 3: You gotta win the moments in big games. The angelic

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame's just better at that skill. There were three

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Speaker 3: all three of these. The first was that dropped pass

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Speaker 3: It's basically a walk in touchdown. It was not a

440
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Speaker 3: perfect throw from Drew Aller, which was the theme of

441
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Speaker 3: the night. But he should have caught it. You should

442
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 3: have caught it. You should have walked in. Penn State

443
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: instead ends up coming away with three. They decided not

444
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Speaker 3: to go for the score. They end up taking three

445
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 3: instead of the seven. That's the first moment self inflicted.

446
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: The second was the touchdown to Jaden Greathouse late in

447
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. So Cam Miller Penn State's corner. Jaden

448
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 3: Greathouse basically broke his ankles, broke his ankles, put a

449
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: good move on him. The guy falls down. Before you

450
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 3: know it, Jade Greathhouse is unabated, like twenty five yards

451
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 3: of padding on all SI.

452
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's not like a usual occurrence, like I slipped.

453
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Speaker 3: Great move by Jane Greathhouse. Very nice move. It was

454
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: definitely fortuitous. I don't think there's any debate it's fortuitous.

455
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 3: The guy falls down. Guys don't usually fall down like that, right.

456
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 3: The guy fell down either because of the move or

457
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 3: because he slipped. Whatever happened. Jane Greathhouse fifty four yard touchdown.

458
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Speaker 3: That was all it took to tie it at twenty

459
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Speaker 3: four to twenty four and get Notre Dame some momentum back. Yes,

460
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,360
Speaker 3: and the third and I suspect the thing that we're

461
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: probably going to talk the most about the remainder of

462
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Speaker 3: this episode moving forward into the offseason is the Drew

463
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 3: Hollur interception inside a minute.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

465
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Speaker 2: Drew Aller gets the ball. They forced a Notre Dame punt.

466
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Speaker 2: Duweller gets the ball. Yeah. Notre Dame.

467
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 3: Runs a coverage that Al Goldens they called once this

468
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 3: entire game. It was on that play they get pressure

469
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 3: with Jalen Snead. Drew Aller throws into the waiting arms

470
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Speaker 3: of Christian Gray, who made a nice play on the

471
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Speaker 3: ball that gave Notre Dame possession inside a minute at

472
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Speaker 3: the forty two yard line of Penn State. Before you

473
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Speaker 3: know it, Notre Dame's able to center the ball, Notre

474
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Speaker 3: Dame's able to kick the game winning score forty one

475
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 3: yarders from Mitch Jeter Dan. Yes, so three unforced errors.

476
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Speaker 3: In my view, I think if you're a Penn State fan,

477
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: you're going to look back on those three moments and

478
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: wonder what could have been if even one of those

479
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 3: doesn't go in the direction that it did.

480
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in the moment I was wondering about

481
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Speaker 1: the fourth and goal from the two. Was that the

482
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Speaker 1: opening drive for Penn State where they opted for the

483
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Speaker 1: field goal and early drive anywhere it was?

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was in the second quarter.

485
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was in the second quarter. So there was

486
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Speaker 1: an opportunity there to try to figure out somehow, some

487
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: way to get like, let's be clear here, Tyler Warren

488
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: direct snap into the end zone in that moment. But no,

489
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: I think that's all right. I mean this is sort

490
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: of an interesting playoff, especially semi finals, where you can say, yeah,

491
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: the defense was a championship defense. Penn State put a

492
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Speaker 1: championship defense on the field. They had Abduall Carter destroying

493
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Speaker 1: tackles with one arm.

494
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Speaker 3: Abduall Carter with one arm was a friggin' alien out there. Yeah,

495
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: he and Dds were true game wreckers. Dds had an

496
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 3: interception where he dropped back into coverage and leaped up

497
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: into the air to steal one away that was intended

498
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 3: for Mitchell Evans. I mean, they just had freak athletes

499
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 3: at the edge and Abduall Carter the game that he

500
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 3: put in, like you said, with one arm, It tells

501
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: you everything you need to know about why he's going

502
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Speaker 3: to be one of the first picks in the draft.

503
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: He is unblockable even with one one appendage out.

504
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Speaker 1: I'm truly surprised, and I'm not surprised about the Indiana game,

505
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,919
Speaker 1: but surprised with Georgia. Surprised with now Penn State ridiculous

506
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: defense that Notre Dame keeps getting away with Riley Leonard left,

507
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: Riley Leonard right in these big moments, and it's it's

508
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: stacking successful moments. It's it's third and four. They just

509
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: need to create some kind of wall. And Riley Leonard,

510
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 1: if you're watching this game and you're rooting for the defense,

511
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: if you're watching this game you're rooting for the offense,

512
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 1: your tone is probably the same. We're just like Willie, Willie, Oh,

513
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: I guess he did. And it works. It works for

514
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. It works for Notre Dame with limited explosivity.

515
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: It works obviously limited explosivity because neither Jendarium Price nor

516
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Love, who are normally the root causes of positive

517
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: explosive plays for Notre Dame. As far as I can tell,

518
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: it wasn't happening in the run game against Penn State.

519
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Now for the most part, it was, and so it

520
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: opened up a little bit in the second half, but

521
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: we did not see that seventy one yard run or

522
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: whatever that we've come to expect at times from one

523
00:26:54,840 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: of these guys, and that the Riley Leonard I think

524
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: keeps working. He had a huge whether it was third

525
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: or fourth down conversion in the second half where Penn

526
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: State brought heat and he was able to roll out

527
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: and hit. I think it was was a great house

528
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: again or was it fais On in that moment. I

529
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: think it was great hoouse. I rolled out to his left.

530
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: He made winning plays. That's what Riley like. I made

531
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: doubter because I just want to see teams win and

532
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: have the ability to win in different ways, and Notre

533
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: Dame is winning with incredibly talented defensive players, especially in

534
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: that back half. Just the speed and ferocity and just

535
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: how pinpoint those guys seem to be. It's see and

536
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 1: it's it's Gunner Stockton, It's Curtis Rourke, it's Drew Aller.

537
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: I got things to name about Drew Aller. They are

538
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: performing like all like all Americans, all whatever you want

539
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: to call them. They're performing like a top top, top

540
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: tier defense that should, at least for stretches give Ohio

541
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: State some fits.

542
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 2: If you're a Penn State fan and.

543
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: You look at the box score and you see that

544
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: you had two hundred yards rushing, you see that you

545
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 3: forced two turnovers from Riley Leonard won the turnover battle.

546
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see a good not by.

547
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: Comparison, great game for Tyler Warren. You feel pretty good

548
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: if you look at this game on paper, you feel

549
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 3: pretty good about what you saw out there. Notre Dame

550
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 3: finding a way to win games like this is the

551
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: kind of thing that gives me that feeling in the

552
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 3: cockles of my heart that makes me wonder, is this

553
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: Notre Dame's here?

554
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: Is there a greater force ever play.

555
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: Big old softy romantic about it?

556
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

557
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 3: Is there are there greater forces at play here? With

558
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 3: how they keep finding ways to win games like this?

559
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 3: You know that's not to say that Notre Dame is

560
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: getting lucky when they're winning. I mean that is not

561
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: really what I'm implying here, but they definitely played like that.

562
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: You're immediately staring into a higher power is smiling down

563
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: on Notre Day. This is no name is it not

564
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: the most Notre Dame shit you could possibly do in

565
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: this moment? Congratulations, But I mean they do find ways

566
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: to win these games. They are absolutely scraping and clawing

567
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: and inventing ways sometimes on the fly to win these ones,

568
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: especially now with all the injuries that they have. Yeah,

569
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: which is definitely something that we need to address. As

570
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: we start talking about our National Championship preview, Notre Dame

571
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:31,959
Speaker 1: again dinged up.

572
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: They lost two guys along the line.

573
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: They lost Charles joghu saw there starting left tackle at

574
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 3: the beginning of the year to a torn peck. He's

575
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: had so long to recover that he had to come

576
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: into this game. Now he's healthy to play right guard.

577
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: Anthony Knapp, their starting left tackle, went down something with

578
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 3: his ankle.

579
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: Hopefully he is okay.

580
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: They had to bring Tosh Baker, and so they are

581
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: just nicked up truly, along both offensive and defensive lines.

582
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 3: They've had to deal with myriad injuries all across the field.

583
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love still somewhat hobbled with that knee, though was

584
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: able to be somewhat productive. Scored the touchdown in the

585
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: game on Thursday. They are just finding ways to get

586
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: it done. I think a lot of that speaks to coaching.

587
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: I think a lot of that speaks to the fundamentals

588
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: that really they have up and down this depth chart,

589
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 3: that they're able to plug guys in and not alter

590
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,239
Speaker 3: their game plan in any drastic way. That continuity has

591
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: served them pretty well throughout the course of this season.

592
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 3: Definitely now as they've gotten to this deep stage of

593
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 3: the tournament. So I give them a lot of credit

594
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: for however, they're finding ways to pull this thing off

595
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: amid all the injuries and just generally.

596
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 2: With the style of play that they have on offense.

597
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: Okay, there is Notre Dame nearly lost a game while

598
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: allowing zero receptions to wide receivers, right, So you can

599
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: choose to look at that as like, whoo, that's you

600
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: should be able to win that game a little bit

601
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: more cleanly if you're a noted But if you're a

602
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: Penn State fan, is the basketball team good this year?

603
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: Probably not?

604
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: Probably not.

605
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: Volleyball they might be, Okay, the.

606
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: Volleyball team win the national championship.

607
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 2: Volleyball is good. The women's volleyball team, yes.

608
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's cool. So you're you're you got stuff

609
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: to be I don't know how you go into this

610
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: offseason after a game like that. And I don't know

611
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: if the moment was just too big for Drew Aller.

612
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if he and Andy kotil Nikki and

613
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: James Franklin were on different pages. Obviously, there's something to

614
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: be said for the ceiling or talent level or disappearance

615
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: of wide receivers. They have the most talented tight end

616
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: in the country and Tyler Warren, and he was largely

617
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: able to prove it once again with some big plays

618
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: in this game, used in different ways. I don't know

619
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Speaker 1: how we get here as a college football community watching

620
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: a team complete no passes in a moment like this

621
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: to a wide receiver and not even really attempt anything

622
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: signific to shake things up on offense. Like what it

623
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: just like if you're a defensive player for Penn State, Like,

624
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: how do you walk back into the tunnel and into

625
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: the locker room knowing that you did everything you could

626
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: to put your team in a position to get to

627
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: and win a national championship, and the offense just had

628
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: no clue what they were doing in terms of adjusting,

629
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: in terms of trying something new, in terms of dipping

630
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: into their bag on some level to get something going

631
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: to keep the Notre Dame defense. Honest, like, I don't know,

632
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: it feels kind of catastrophic to me the more I've

633
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: sat with it.

634
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, they got to do something at the wide

635
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: receiver position. I don't know if it's coaching. I don't know,

636
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: if it's personnel, my hunches, it's a combination of both.

637
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: Now they have to address that. They absolutely have to

638
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: address that.

639
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 3: It is borderline untenable compared to where they have been

640
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: in the not so distant past. They just don't have

641
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 3: guys in this In this case, they didn't have guys

642
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: would get open and they weren't even trying to throw

643
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 3: them open. So that's a problem that they're going to

644
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: need to address. Some curious to see what they decide

645
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: to do. It wasn't a game for a good game

646
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 3: for dualur at all. This wasn't And you know, we

647
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: could talk about the wide receiver position. We can talk about,

648
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: you know, some of the issues they've had out there.

649
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: But for as good as Aler has looked of late,

650
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: this is about the worst game I've seen him play

651
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: in a long time.

652
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: It was really bad.

653
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: He was bailed out of two other interceptions on far

654
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: worse throws because of defensive penalties. I'm talking throws that

655
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: weren't even close to getting in the hands of his player, right,

656
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: ducks that were floated that were easy interceptions if not

657
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Speaker 3: for Notre Dame penalties.

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Speaker 1: The Notre Dame penalty, by the way, when Tyler Warren

659
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Speaker 1: was in the end zone and I think there were

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Speaker 1: three Notre Dame players around him and one of whom

661
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Speaker 1: was called for passenger Farens, who sort of ran into

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Speaker 1: Tyler Warren, but not with any sort of viciousness anything.

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00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: His hands were up and he didn't look back, And

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Speaker 1: I suppose that's the letter of it. Was it felt

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Speaker 1: to me like a very soft call, But if it's

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Speaker 1: a letter of the lot, it's the letter of the law.

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Speaker 1: The only reason that play happened was because Drew Aller

668
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Speaker 1: threw such a bad pass that he floated it to

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Speaker 1: such a crazy degree that whatever whoever that Notre Dame

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00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: player was, safety corner just assumed the ball has to

671
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: be here by now. He had to throw it on

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Speaker 1: some kind of rope and it was just it was

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Speaker 1: it was just floating balls with no footwork at all

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Speaker 1: I hate to pile on Drew Aller. It was a

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Speaker 1: bad game for him because he is a pretty He's

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Speaker 1: not great, He's a pretty good quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I think, despite the fact that, yes, it is a

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Speaker 3: very thin quarterback class. Despite the fact that our friend

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Speaker 3: Bruce Feldman was talking a little bit earlier in the

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Speaker 3: week about some smoke around. Hey, NFL guys are interested

681
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: in Drew Aler. Drew Allard needs a little bit more seasoning.

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Speaker 3: I think we can put that to bed after this game.

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Speaker 3: It was just not his best showing up by long shot.

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Speaker 3: Notre Dame finds a way to get it done. They

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00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: find a way to get it done amid all the injuries.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what they look like against Ohio State,

687
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: very curious to see what that looks like. Judging from

688
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 3: the comments that we saw while doing our live streams,

689
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Speaker 3: I have a hunch how most people feel that game's

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00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,439
Speaker 3: going to go. But we're going to do the sort

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Speaker 3: of normal preview thing here on the solid Verbo and

692
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 3: we'll give it it's full due again. Your final score

693
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Speaker 3: here was twenty seven to twenty four. A big kick

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Speaker 3: forty one yarder from Mitch Jeter puts Notre Dame through

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Speaker 3: into the national championship.

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Speaker 1: Dan, by the way, the good news for Notre Dame,

697
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: they've got two great coordinators. Whatever it is that you

698
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: want to say that I want to say about Riley

699
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: Leonard and Notre Dame themselves, like having to win in

700
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: a very specific way. They keep winning. They keep getting

701
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Speaker 1: those first downs, they keep getting into end zones. I mean,

702
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: they didn't have a I don't think they had a

703
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: touchdown drive against Georgia, but they did what was needed

704
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: to get field goals. They did what was needed in

705
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: special teams like both Mike Denbrock and Al Golden have

706
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: been calling great games and against the bigger teams that

707
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: they've played, it wasn't a great defensive performance I think

708
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: against USC. I don't know, it feels kind of in

709
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: the distant past in this moment, like especially since that

710
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: Northern Illinois game, potential de facto or whatever national champion

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00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: Northern Illinois depending on what Notre Dame does here.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They've been outstanding given perhaps the limitations of the offensive

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Speaker 1: personnel skill wise, well receiver quarterback wise, and just the

715
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Speaker 1: injuries on defense, that they've just continued to step up

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Speaker 1: and get stops.

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Speaker 3: Their ability to make in game adjustments has been really

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00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: eye opening this year. They've done a good job on

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Speaker 3: both sides.

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Speaker 2: Of the ball. It took den Brock a little bit

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Speaker 2: to get cooking it did.

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Speaker 3: It took Riley Leonard I think about half a season

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Speaker 3: to get settled into what this offense was going to

724
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: look like with him running it right. But they keep

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00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: finding ways to get the job done. I don't know

726
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 3: the results are undeniable at this point. Notre Dame moves

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00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 3: on now. They will score off against Ohio State, as

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00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: they said at the top. I haven't seen if there

729
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: is a line out now. We're recording this late on

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Speaker 3: Friday night, but it appeared before the game that it

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Speaker 3: would be Ohio State minus eight and a half. The

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Speaker 3: thing that I am most concerned about as a Notre

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Speaker 3: Dame fan, and it's no great secret for anybody, anybody

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Speaker 3: whose team has played Ohio State, anybody who is just

735
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 3: watching Ohio State from afar, it's how do you cover

736
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Speaker 3: all those receivers. Texas was able to do it because

737
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: they play a different style defense. They play it a

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00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 3: lot more zone than Notre Dame. Notre Dame buy and

739
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: large is going to try and man you up. They're

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Speaker 3: going to have a roaming safety, They're going to try

741
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Speaker 3: and get pressure. They like to bring pressure. How Notre

742
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: Dame is going to try to lock down those receivers

743
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: is going to be fascinating. I don't know if they

744
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: can do it. I'm not uber confident that they can

745
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: do it, because nobody really has outside of you know,

746
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: a handful of moments throughout the course of the year.

747
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: Texas obviously did it with the style of defense that

748
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: they played. Maybe we'll see more of that from Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: That remains to be seen, but that obviously is the

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Speaker 3: first thing that comes to mind. And secondly, Notre Dame's

751
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 3: offense now has to go up against the same defense

752
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: that has been lights out, that held Texas down in

753
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: the manner that it did, that has been pretty good

754
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: for most of the season, that held Penn State to

755
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 3: thirteen points earlier in the year, no offensive touchdowns in

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Speaker 3: that game.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: How Notre Dame approaches that problem will be fascinating as well.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure there's an easy answer for either. As

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Speaker 3: part of why I think a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: Are going to be in Ohio State Quinchravon Weisner and

762
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Speaker 1: Jayden Blue ran for it says here sixty two yards

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Speaker 1: on twenty one carries about three yards, So I think

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Speaker 1: it's fair to assume the running game probably won't be

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Speaker 1: there terribly often for Notre Dame. You know, maybe they

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: bust one and that's enough. But it's gonna be interesting

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Speaker 1: to see the adjustments post you know, post Penn State,

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Speaker 1: and then after the first quarter, after you know, on halftime,

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Speaker 1: whatever on any key drives near the end of that game,

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Speaker 1: if that's what it comes down to. But yeah, the

771
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Speaker 1: initial read, they've got their work cutout for him.

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Speaker 2: They absolutely do.

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Speaker 3: It'll be a rematch of a game from a year

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Speaker 3: ago that we talked a lot about. It was very close,

775
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 3: a lot about a very close game.

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Speaker 1: No Jeremiah Smith.

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Speaker 2: There was no Jeremiah Smith.

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Speaker 3: There was no Will Howard, no Quinn Shawn Judkins, but

779
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 3: also no Riley Leonard, no Caleb Downs, Bill Downs, just

780
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Speaker 3: much different situation. Yeah, your National Championship again is gonna

781
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: be a house state against Notre Dame. We will be

782
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 3: back to preview that game throughout the course of the week.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget to go on out tu Verbowlers dot com

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00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,560
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786
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 3: out with this, Dan, Okay, we we talked a lot

787
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 3: about this playoff system and what it meant for college football.

788
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 3: Talked a lot about at least I did the semifinal

789
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Speaker 3: round and how I expected that maybe there would be

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Speaker 3: a drop off in interest.

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Speaker 2: Did you get that sense from these matchups?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I mean they're huge programs, so they're always going to

794
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: have huge interests.

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Speaker 2: Because that was my assumption, you know, that was my assumption.

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Speaker 3: My assumption was we would get to the semifinals and

797
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Speaker 3: we would see fan interest drop off.

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Speaker 2: I think I was wrong about that.

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Speaker 3: It could have been because there was some new blood,

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00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 3: right we saw it across the board with four teams

801
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: that have not been in a national championship in a while,

802
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Speaker 3: So I think that helped.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: I definitely think there was a real novelty factor here

805
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: with this playoff to see how it was all going

806
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Speaker 3: to unfold. I like the fact actually that we had

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Speaker 3: games on two separate nights here in the semifinals. I

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00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: think that worked out well. Sure had a chance to

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Speaker 3: kind of give each game its own thing, so I'm

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Speaker 3: happy to report, at least through one iteration of this playoff,

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Speaker 3: I think I was wrong about the semi final. Maybe

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Speaker 3: I'm biased because I had two teams playing in one

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Speaker 3: of the games, but right at least anecdotally from what

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Speaker 3: people sent into us, it seems like the interest was

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Speaker 3: really high and people had fun with it.

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Speaker 2: So that side of it is I think pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's Thursday and Friday night, which is new

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Speaker 1: because it's not a holiday that these games are on.

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Speaker 1: It's not a Saturday night or whatever, So that's certainly new.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't sense that much of a drop off

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Speaker 1: and attention that the sport has been receiving. And obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you go basically from Thanksgiving through the

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00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: National Championship, this is a like ongoing news cycle because

825
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: of portal stuff and draft declarations and opt outs and

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Speaker 1: Bowl games, and so there is going to be that

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Speaker 1: huge momentum curious about the National Championship with the NFL

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Speaker 1: Playoffs being in full swing by the time, you know,

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Speaker 1: there will be two weekends right of NFL playoff games

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Speaker 1: between now and the National Championship. So I don't know

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Speaker 1: how that's going to affect the news cycle. But I

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Speaker 1: suspect having Notre Dame in Ohio State is going to

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Speaker 1: command a good of attention to.

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Speaker 3: Very big national audiences. Traditional powers, blue bloods. Pick your adjective.

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Speaker 3: We will see that game is on January twentieth. We

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00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 3: will have much more on it again. You know where

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Speaker 3: to find us out on social media. Hit follow, hit

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Speaker 2: Dan, let's call it a night here again.

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Speaker 3: Your final score Ohio State twenty eight to fourteen, Notre

841
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: Dame twenty seven to twenty four. We're gonna have a

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Speaker 3: rematch of a game from a year ago, the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five colleg Football Playoff National Championship. For that guy

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Speaker 3: out there, Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty Hilton Brand, thank

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Speaker 3: you for downloading, listening, and supporting.

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Speaker 2: We will talk to you all soon. Stay solid, peace,