WEBVTT - Florida Breaking Recent Record, Executing Oldest Inmate In State History

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, it is Tuesday, July fourteenth, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple of weeks ago that Florida executed the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest inmate in that state's history. Tonight they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>execute somebody even older. And with that, welcome to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Amy and TJ. At seventy four year old

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<v Speaker 1>on death row being executed. People have feelings about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but well, we know how Florida feels.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because this is the second seventy four year old

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<v Speaker 2>in a matter of weeks that Florida is set to execute.

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<v Speaker 2>This This gentleman's name and I hate to even say

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<v Speaker 2>gentlemen because when you hear what he's done, that probably

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the right term to use. Seventy four year old

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis Soker is said to die tonight at six pm

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<v Speaker 2>Eastern Time by lethal injection. And yes, he will officially

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<v Speaker 2>be the oldest inmate ever to be executed in Florida

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<v Speaker 2>because he will be exactly one week older than Dusty

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<v Speaker 2>Ray Spencer, who was executed last month at the age

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<v Speaker 2>of seventy four.

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<v Speaker 1>The chances is that intentional do they go through and

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<v Speaker 1>look for the oldest as that's clear the books here

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<v Speaker 1>that it just seems like a bizarre coincidence that back

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<v Speaker 1>to back oldest in history.

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<v Speaker 2>And then add to that, later this month, in just

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks, they're going to beat their own

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<v Speaker 2>record once again with an eighty year old death row

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<v Speaker 2>inmate scheduled to be executed. So yes, three in a row,

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<v Speaker 2>each one setting a record for being the oldest inmate

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<v Speaker 2>ever executed in the state of Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>And people are having that debate what is cruel and unusual?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it cruel and unusual because of the age, because

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<v Speaker 1>of the health problems, because of the skin, the difficulty

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<v Speaker 1>in finding a vain, because of all these things rodes

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<v Speaker 1>people have the question, do you execute an elderly person?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that automatically cruel and unusual?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>But the argument on the other side is, yeah, where

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<v Speaker 1>he's still being punished for the crime he committed. Correct,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter what. It doesn't lessen the impact of

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<v Speaker 1>what he did, and it doesn't lessen the punishment just

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<v Speaker 1>because he's aged by forty years.

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<v Speaker 2>And some would say that it's been cruel and unusual

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<v Speaker 2>to the family of their victims to have to wait

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<v Speaker 2>forty plus years, and in this case, I believe it's

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<v Speaker 2>forty four years for justice for their loved ones murder.

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<v Speaker 2>And in this particular case with Dennis Soaker, his victim

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<v Speaker 2>was an eighteen year old girl, her name was Patty Gifford,

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<v Speaker 2>who was celebrating New Year's Eve on nineteen eighty one.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the early hours of nineteen eighty two.

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<v Speaker 1>So am I crazy? But why does this seem like

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<v Speaker 1>we've had so many murders on New Year's Eve and

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<v Speaker 1>New Year's Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's true, it's true. Maybe it's the drinking, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's just the energy of that evening. But you are correct.

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<v Speaker 3>We have absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Covered several recently, some many of them called like old murders.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking years and years and years ago. But New

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<v Speaker 2>Year's Eve has been a theme for sure. But when

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<v Speaker 2>you hear what Soacer did to this young woman, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, it definitely will impact how you feel about

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<v Speaker 2>him dying tonight at the age of seventy four, and

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<v Speaker 2>will also let you know what the family of Patty

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<v Speaker 2>Gifford has to say about it, And they are very

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<v Speaker 2>clear in how they feel about tonight's execution. But this, again, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>happened in the early morning hours of nineteen eighty two.

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<v Speaker 2>But this young woman was celebrating with her friend at

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<v Speaker 2>a Fort Lauderdale bar at the Banana Boat. She was

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<v Speaker 2>with another girlfriend. Her girlfriend wasn't feeling well, went back

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<v Speaker 2>into her car to go to sleep and so to

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<v Speaker 2>rest her to sleep it off. And so Patty was

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<v Speaker 2>alone and had been in the same bar with yes

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<v Speaker 2>then twenty nine year old Dennis Soker, who was there

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<v Speaker 2>with his brother. And there's an eerie photo if you

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<v Speaker 2>can look this up. There was an eerie photo of

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<v Speaker 2>him behind her. She's almost taking a selfie back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day in nineteen eighty one with her camera. She's smiling,

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<v Speaker 2>she's got New Year's Eve gear on. She looks adorable.

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<v Speaker 2>He is literally in the background like staring at her.

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<v Speaker 2>And that photo, which was developed after her death, ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>led them to find her killer. It took them five years,

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<v Speaker 2>almost five years to find him and arrest him. But

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<v Speaker 2>that photo was part. It was a key part of

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so creepy and do I have right show it

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<v Speaker 1>to me. It's creepy now would have been creepy in

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<v Speaker 1>the moment if none of this had happened. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a weird shot of him that didn't even look actually

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't look menacing.

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<v Speaker 2>But knowing what no, no now And at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>when he's twenty nine years old in this bar flirting

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<v Speaker 2>with this young woman, he was already a convicted serial rapist.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually we'll get into this too. It's actually appalling

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<v Speaker 2>and disgusting that he was out, that he was free

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<v Speaker 2>a year two years later after this heinous crime, that

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<v Speaker 2>he was already just walking the streets, able to do

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<v Speaker 2>what he does or do what he had been doing.

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<v Speaker 2>But yees. She left with him to go grab some food,

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<v Speaker 2>to get some breakfast, and so that is when he

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<v Speaker 2>pulled off to the side of the road. He claims

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<v Speaker 2>he got angry when she wouldn't have sex with him,

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<v Speaker 2>so he raped her, strangled her, and dumped her body.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the deal. They never found her body, and

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<v Speaker 2>there have been some accounts that he's refused to tell them.

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<v Speaker 2>There have been other accounts that he was too drunk

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<v Speaker 2>to remember. But at the end of the day, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a huge part of this story because of the lack

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<v Speaker 2>of closure for the family, and it's something he even

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<v Speaker 2>used in his appeals later to say, hey, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know if she's dead. Nogay didn't and hasn't worked.

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<v Speaker 2>But ultimately he was arrested in Georgia in nineteen eighty six,

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<v Speaker 2>so almost five years later, for a dui and that

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<v Speaker 2>is when he was ultimately charged, tried, and convicted of

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<v Speaker 2>first degree murder and kidnapping. Now he confessed on tape.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's interesting is he still tried to fight to live.

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<v Speaker 2>We always talk about this among death row inmates. Despite

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<v Speaker 2>what they did, they always at the end want to live.

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<v Speaker 2>But at his sentencing he told the judge, I have

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<v Speaker 2>contemplated suicide. I felt that if I could hurt somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't deserve to live myself. So he told the judge,

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<v Speaker 2>I deserve to die.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not one where we're going to This happened

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<v Speaker 1>one other in Florida where they didn't go through their appeals.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't fight it. I don't know worlds, We don't

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<v Speaker 1>know much about him, but there's more to how it

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<v Speaker 1>seems he's preparing robes for the end and he's not

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<v Speaker 1>preparing to fight in the end like so many others do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, So yes, the Florida Supreme Court denied his

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<v Speaker 2>final appeal on July eighth. And look, I just also

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to point out the violent history of this man,

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<v Speaker 2>just to give a full picture of Dennis Soker. But

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<v Speaker 2>as I mentioned, I referenced he was convicted of kidnapping, beating,

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<v Speaker 2>and raping a nineteen year old woman in nineteen eighty Again,

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<v Speaker 2>this crime happened on New Year's Eve of nineteen eighty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Going into nineteen eighty two, he also confessed to raping

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<v Speaker 2>another woman in Michigan, and all of that was taken

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<v Speaker 2>into account when he was sentenced to death at his hearing.

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<v Speaker 2>And that makes a lot of sense. But as you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of we're referencing there, his spiritual advisor has been

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<v Speaker 2>speaking out and talking about his conversations with Soker in

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<v Speaker 2>the past few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, Grobes, we I don't know, have you seen

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere where he has he's in touch with family and

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<v Speaker 1>visitors of his own family, right, Okay, no, not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something about that. In the end, I know, we

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We all should have mercy for people.

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<v Speaker 3>Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>That the heinousness of some of this that's described, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes you sick in the stomach. But where does

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<v Speaker 1>mercy come in Robes, we're supposed to be better than

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<v Speaker 1>he is, so we're not supposed to wish pain or

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<v Speaker 1>harm or death even or discomfort. But or this, this

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<v Speaker 1>something is just the solemnity of just death right, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter if it's gone through a ceremony like this and

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<v Speaker 1>doing it or going through the horror of the way

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<v Speaker 1>he killed this girl. Just something about it. Robes is

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<v Speaker 1>just that nobody just doesn't feel good on these days.

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<v Speaker 1>But to hear all the moments that is where some

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<v Speaker 1>of these guys like him his only I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>only person that seems to care about him is a

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual advisor, like the only person on earth he is

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<v Speaker 1>getting any comfort from.

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<v Speaker 3>That's tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>At his sentencing, I believe it was his siblings who

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<v Speaker 2>did speak up about his violence upbringing and how horrific

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<v Speaker 2>their father was to him, beating him, abusing him, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he had a life of violence, Not that it

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<v Speaker 2>excuses what he then chose to do with his own

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<v Speaker 2>life towards other women. But his spiritual adviser told he

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<v Speaker 2>gave a couple interviews and he said he has been

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<v Speaker 2>encouraging Soker to think about where her body is before

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<v Speaker 2>he dies, to encourage him to be able to maybe

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<v Speaker 2>give that information to the family that they so desperately

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<v Speaker 2>want before he dies. He said that he believes Socer

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<v Speaker 2>is genuinely remorseful, and he said he discussed writing a

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<v Speaker 2>letter to the Gifford family. He's encouraged him to do

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<v Speaker 2>that to give something to the family because they've been

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<v Speaker 2>just anguished for decades about where their loved one is.

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<v Speaker 2>And he said he also has been discussing with him

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<v Speaker 2>what his last words will be. So that'll be interesting

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<v Speaker 2>tonight because it sounds as if there's been real thought

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<v Speaker 2>given to what his final words.

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<v Speaker 3>Will be used to that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've not heard that before.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually they're off the cuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're short and sweet and not a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>of thoughts seemingly put into them. He got my attention

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<v Speaker 1>on this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So we will be waiting to hear about that

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<v Speaker 2>when we get the details of tonight's scheduled execution again

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<v Speaker 2>at six pm. But when we come back, we are

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<v Speaker 2>going to tell you what Patty Gifford's family has to

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<v Speaker 2>say about tonight and how they feel about Dennis Soker.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ

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<v Speaker 2>or the oldest man ever in the state of Florida

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<v Speaker 2>is set to be executed Tonight's seventy four year old

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis Soaker, convicted of kidnapping, raping, and murdering an eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old girl her name was Patty Gifford, on the

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<v Speaker 2>early morning hours of New Year's Day on nineteen in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty two. So this is forty four years that

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<v Speaker 2>Patty Gifford's family has had to wait to see this day.

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<v Speaker 2>And they say they will all be there tonight at

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<v Speaker 2>this execution.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I I'm johnas when was his to think they've

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<v Speaker 1>waited this long?

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<v Speaker 2>He was convicted or sentenced to death in nineteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it took a long time for justice, even

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<v Speaker 2>on that level.

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<v Speaker 3>But my god, forty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty years on death row, forty years on death row.

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<v Speaker 1>If you got a problem with the death penalty, and

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<v Speaker 1>this would be my biggest problem with it takes too

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<v Speaker 1>damn long, right, if you want to keep it and

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<v Speaker 1>want to be legal, it takes to them long. I

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<v Speaker 1>might say, I'm not in an avoc I'm not pushing

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<v Speaker 1>for I think we got too many problems with it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to get rid of the death penalty.

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<v Speaker 1>I would support that, but if you're going to keep it,

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<v Speaker 1>what fan force it forty four years? Yes, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>death of their loved one. We got to wait for

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<v Speaker 1>what you all told us is justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously members of her family have died. Her sister has

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<v Speaker 2>been very outspoken, and she also tells this tale about

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<v Speaker 2>this is and he plans to be here tonight. But

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<v Speaker 2>Gifferd's sisters said that her high school, her sister's high

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<v Speaker 2>school sweetheart. I mean they were madly in love. They

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<v Speaker 2>were going to get married, and you think back in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty one, that was that was the track for most.

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<v Speaker 3>Folks, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He never got over her death. I got chills, and

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<v Speaker 2>he never married anyone. He is single to this day

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<v Speaker 2>because he said his heart is still with Patty. That

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<v Speaker 2>just gives you a sense of the impact of this awful,

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<v Speaker 2>horrific night that left so many people broke. And she

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<v Speaker 2>says her family can never celebrate on New Year's Eve.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, think about that, everyone's celebrating, everyone's partying. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the night that someone horrifically, horrifically raise and murdered your sister,

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<v Speaker 2>your loved one. That she said, New Year's eve is

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<v Speaker 2>just an awful and will always remain an awful night

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<v Speaker 2>for all of them. I just to give that level

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<v Speaker 2>of pain that never goes away. That's what this family

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<v Speaker 2>has been living with. But her sister said this, I

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<v Speaker 2>expect to sleep like a baby tomorrow night for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time in decades. She gave this interview yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Good car and yep, rhaps that's punt. That's cruel and

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<v Speaker 1>on usual. Forty four years an entire lifetime. And again

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<v Speaker 1>this happens in Florida. They have the look the appeals

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<v Speaker 1>process they have to go through all this, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have one there in Florida that takes.

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<v Speaker 3>A long long time. Fine the ropes.

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<v Speaker 1>The Santis is trying to clear these roles, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of them are now finally through their appeals process, moving

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<v Speaker 1>up to the front of the front of the list romes.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a bunch of people over eighty on death

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<v Speaker 1>row in Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>We might see a lot of this this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe we will, because that is what DeSantis has

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<v Speaker 2>said he is going to do. And for many of

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<v Speaker 2>these victims family, it's what they've been waiting for. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of them haven't lived to see the day and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's sad because if you're going to have the punishment,

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<v Speaker 2>and again this is not about us being pro death penalty,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, quite the opposite. But if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>have this be the punishment for those families who are

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<v Speaker 2>expecting that closure, to not get it and to have

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<v Speaker 2>to wait for so long seems torturous to those families.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just this stuck with me. Her quote and

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<v Speaker 2>what they want more than anything, Yes, they want to

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<v Speaker 2>see him die tonight, but more than anything, they want

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<v Speaker 2>to know where Patty Gifford is. And when he dies,

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<v Speaker 2>it absolutely seals the faith for them that they will

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<v Speaker 2>never know.

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<v Speaker 3>Any chance he gives that to him tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>It's possible, or even in a letter that he may

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<v Speaker 2>have been writing, maybe tonight that is perhaps the hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Because her sister said this, it's unfinished. Where is she?

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<v Speaker 2>What did he do to her? Where did he leave her?

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<v Speaker 2>It just matters. It matters so much to us because yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you can hear I guess what happened in court, they

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<v Speaker 2>can speculate how she died. But if you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the body, and you don't have the forensic evidence, and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know where her final resting place is there

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<v Speaker 2>will always be questions, and so that is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the sad things for the family that if he goes

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<v Speaker 2>to his death without giving them that information, it will

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<v Speaker 2>never be known.

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<v Speaker 1>He's putting a plan together. Can you imagine how dramatic

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<v Speaker 1>would that be, Ropes? If he used his last breath

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<v Speaker 1>to give the family that, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be remarkable. It would be a gift actually at

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<v Speaker 2>that moment, and that's pretty much the only gift he

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<v Speaker 2>can give them. I don't think I'm sorry is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be enough at this point, because he's still holding

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<v Speaker 2>on to information that they desperately want to know. So

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<v Speaker 2>we shall see what happens in that execution chamber tonight

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<v Speaker 2>at six pm Eastern time in the state of Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>making history once again and without everyone. We always appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you listening to us. I maybe roboch alongside TJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Holmes. We will talk to you soon.