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Speaker 1: next episode of Lethal Lit. But first, here's a quick

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Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. That's right, Dan, we have just

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Speaker 1: learned that the death of local business man Brock Montague

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Speaker 1: had been ruled a homicide. Hold on, I believe we're

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Speaker 1: about to get a statement. Detectives have connected Mr. Montague's

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Speaker 1: death to one of the local residents, Stephanie Reed, age

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Speaker 1: Ms thom Is it also true that both victims were

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Speaker 1: found with a music box nearby. Yes, both were in

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Speaker 1: possession of either an original or replica Montague Hotel centinial music.

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Speaker 1: He's Hollow Falls home to get another serial killer. We

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Speaker 1: Brock Montague was a millionaire businessman who returned to Hollow

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Speaker 1: It was time to find that first degree. Ouilla, you

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Speaker 1: any historical significance? Well, that's how Agae Christie would kill

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Speaker 1: let Killer. You think someone's trying to send him a message?

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Speaker 1: even if it comes from him. You're gonna go talk

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Speaker 1: to liven him? Were you not? I promise me you

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Speaker 1: won't go see him stronger than you think in your head. Okay, Okay, Ali,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't I lie to Ali about this? We have

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Speaker 1: to go and see Levinson. Terrible idea. I love it.

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Speaker 1: profound psychological insights. Stroke is literary intellect gross revolting? Are

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Speaker 1: if if tag I got it message received? Do you

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Speaker 1: Please step to the side, next name, take Torres, Empty

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Speaker 1: Take you're in, Levinson. Put you on the list. I

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Speaker 1: I I don't know. Hey, you don't have to do

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Speaker 1: other time. It's now or never. I'll be right here

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Speaker 1: I've been bored out of my mind. The discourse at

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Speaker 1: So let's you and I talk. Tell me Ms Torres

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Speaker 1: specifically the newest murders in Hollow Falls. Oh yes, the

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Speaker 1: Surely you've read Nietzsche. I've read Nietzsche. But that's Tennyson.

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Speaker 1: Oh sweet uncle, I'm starving for companionship of your caliber.

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Speaker 1: And re enacting Christie's stories. Please, how could I inspire

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Speaker 1: In regards to the murders, you are clearly grasping at straws.

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Speaker 1: What about Tuck everlasting? Really? Well, it's children's literature, so

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Speaker 1: the music box, no getting sloppy tig. Well, it's a symbol.

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Speaker 1: But the book is about the choice between normality and immortality,

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Speaker 1: Levinson more than the if I'm not like you. Tuck

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Speaker 1: the Nicholas Sparks stalker. Oh, thank you, tig, it's good

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