WEBVTT - Listen To This & We Expect Your Gratitude 

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Arm Strong and Jetty and No He Armstrong and Eddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Go back with breaking news in our politics lead and

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<v Speaker 3>a brand new excerpt from my upcoming book with Axios

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<v Speaker 3>is Alex Thompson. It's called Original Sin. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 3>if you've heard of it. It's on Biden's Decline. It's

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<v Speaker 3>called Original Sin. I'm sure you've heard on May twentieth.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Tuesday. Original Sin that's coming out in three week,

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<v Speaker 3>comes out Tuesday. You will not believe what we found out.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't news people have to tell you what they know

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<v Speaker 4>when they find it out. Isn't that the difference between

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<v Speaker 4>news and the secret? You won't believe when we found out.

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<v Speaker 2>No, That's why I'm watching it. Breaking news in a week.

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<v Speaker 5>John Stuart always been good at cutting through to the

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<v Speaker 5>obvious with things like that, like one of his quotes

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<v Speaker 5>John Stewart last night on the Daily Show. He does

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<v Speaker 5>it once a week. And we're about to talk about

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<v Speaker 5>the Jake Tapper book, which I don't know the title

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<v Speaker 5>Love and it doesn't matter. I'm not looking it up

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<v Speaker 5>and I refuse to mention it. But John Stewart says,

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<v Speaker 5>forget about the fact of how effing weird it is

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<v Speaker 5>that the News is selling you a book about news

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<v Speaker 5>that should have told.

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<v Speaker 2>You was news a year ago, for free.

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<v Speaker 5>He's selling you a book full of information he should

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<v Speaker 5>have told you last.

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<v Speaker 2>Year for free, which is a pretty good.

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<v Speaker 6>Point, right, I mean, that's what you do for living well.

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<v Speaker 5>Tapper is claiming that these people weren't willing to say

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<v Speaker 5>this stuff out loud, a lot of them until after

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<v Speaker 5>the election, which is true. But the the ultimate point

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<v Speaker 5>of Biden's brain didn't work. Everybody already knew, so whatever. So,

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<v Speaker 5>as I mentioned, it's unintentionally hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>This book.

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<v Speaker 5>I bought it like a month or so ago. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, I wasn't drunk. I don't know what made

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<v Speaker 5>me do it, but I bought it and so it

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<v Speaker 5>showed up in my uh my kindle last night and

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<v Speaker 5>I started reading it, and I'm kind of angry that

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<v Speaker 5>I put money in their pocket because of all the

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<v Speaker 5>stuff we've said, and it's it's it's it's hard to

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<v Speaker 5>believe it even exists.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, like John.

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<v Speaker 5>Stewart said, it's effing weird, yeah, that it even exists

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<v Speaker 5>as a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But so they took themselves so seriously.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe they would they would do this differently if

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<v Speaker 5>they knew how it was going to land after all

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<v Speaker 5>the criticism and Mark Halprin last week, taking apart his

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<v Speaker 5>explanations of how tough he was and all that sort

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<v Speaker 5>of stuff, because they go way over the top with

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<v Speaker 5>the seriousness of this. The whatever page it is before

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<v Speaker 5>the book starts, I don't know what you call that page.

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<v Speaker 5>It has a couple of quotes, one from Ulysses, a

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<v Speaker 5>poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson. Though much has taken much

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<v Speaker 5>abides and though we are not now. I won't read

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<v Speaker 5>the whole thing. It's very long, but some long complicated poem,

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<v Speaker 5>and then also a quote from King Lear William Shakespeare.

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<v Speaker 5>They told me everything they told me I was everything

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<v Speaker 5>'tis a lie. I am not og proof, which I

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<v Speaker 5>had to look up with some disease back in the day.

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<v Speaker 1>But to.

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<v Speaker 5>Have these like heavy literary quotes before you start to

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<v Speaker 5>tell us something we already knew is weird. And you

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<v Speaker 5>were nearly the only class of people on earth who

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<v Speaker 5>were either blind to it or pretending otherwise. I'll read

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<v Speaker 5>some more from the like the the intro before they

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<v Speaker 5>get to the book. The lessons from this book go

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<v Speaker 5>beyond one man and one political party. They speak to

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<v Speaker 5>or universal questions about cognitive dissonance, group think, courage, cowardice,

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<v Speaker 5>and patriotism. Yeah toward you, Yeah, with you being like

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<v Speaker 5>the main you and your friends, right, not off you.

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<v Speaker 5>We knew, we knew, and we're reacting that way. That's

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<v Speaker 5>what drove him out of office, the polls showing you

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<v Speaker 5>couldn't win because we knew you're the one. This paragraph

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<v Speaker 5>is about you, Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 6>It's funny you were talking about John Stewart cutting through

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<v Speaker 6>the clutter to get to the simple truth of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just occurred to me.

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<v Speaker 6>The simple truth of this is the tone of this is.

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<v Speaker 6>Listen to this, and we expect your gratitude.

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<v Speaker 2>You should be grateful.

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<v Speaker 6>To us for exposing these truths, all this smugness of it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Jake, No, you're the one group of people on

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<v Speaker 1>earth who can't be smug about this and can't let

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<v Speaker 1>sure anybody.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, let's go with this long orwell quote which we

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<v Speaker 5>usually read part of but not the whole thing, And

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<v Speaker 5>I will just because it's so damn interesting, and he

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<v Speaker 5>puts this in there also. Georgia Orwell once wrote that

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<v Speaker 5>we are all capable of believing things which we know

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<v Speaker 5>to be untrue, and then when we are finally proved wrong,

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<v Speaker 5>impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we

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<v Speaker 5>were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this

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<v Speaker 5>process for an indefinite time. The only check on it

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<v Speaker 5>is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up

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<v Speaker 5>against solid reality, usually on a battlefield. He was writing

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<v Speaker 5>about World War Two, but he could have been writing

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<v Speaker 5>about anytime, any era. The Germans in the back to

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<v Speaker 5>the quote from Orwell, the Germans and the Japanese lost

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<v Speaker 5>the war quite largely because their rulers were unable to

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<v Speaker 5>see facts which were plane to any dispassionate eye. To

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<v Speaker 5>see what is in fronv one's nose needs a constant struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. Which is very very interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>And I doubt that Jake, when he put that quote

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<v Speaker 5>in there, was thinking about himself, the being able to

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<v Speaker 5>believe something we know to be untrue, and then when

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<v Speaker 5>we are approved wrong, twisting.

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<v Speaker 2>Facts to show we were right. That is exactly the

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<v Speaker 2>Jake Tapper story of the last week.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and then Jake writes, Jake and Alex, we should

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<v Speaker 5>throw in Alex Thompson's name, who gets a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>credit from a bunch of people for actually being kind

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<v Speaker 5>of tough on the Biden people, but he was not

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<v Speaker 5>as big a star, so didn't get mentioned as much.

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<v Speaker 5>Here was what is in front of our noses? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>your nose. You're the one with the sources.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>This is one of the most stunning examples of a

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<v Speaker 6>lack of self awareness I've ever observed.

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<v Speaker 5>As I mentioned earlier in the show, one thing that

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<v Speaker 5>did come out of the book that I didn't know

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<v Speaker 5>was just how much they were lying to their own people,

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<v Speaker 5>not just the public or Fox or whoever, or even

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<v Speaker 5>the media, but like their own friends. The tightest circle

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<v Speaker 5>was lying to people that they are friends with and

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<v Speaker 5>have known forever. And that's part of why those people

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<v Speaker 5>believed it. I mean, you wouldn't expect, like your own

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<v Speaker 5>colleagues that you have a personal relationship with, when you

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<v Speaker 5>go to him and say, I saw the President on

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<v Speaker 5>the TV last night.

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<v Speaker 2>What is going on? Oh he's fine, he is fine,

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<v Speaker 2>trust me, Behind closed doors, he's fine.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he'd had a long day, he didn't sleep all

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<v Speaker 6>the night before, but he's sharpest attack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll just read a little bit from the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 5>Publicly and privately defending the president and his acuity. I

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<v Speaker 5>spoke with the White House and campaign officials regularly and

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<v Speaker 5>received constant reassurance.

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<v Speaker 2>He's fine, he's fine, he's fine.

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<v Speaker 5>They all said, you know, I'm not giving Jake Tapper

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<v Speaker 5>a pass because again, the public figured it out without

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<v Speaker 5>any sources. But if Jake Tapper is going to people

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<v Speaker 5>he trusts and his friends with and goes out for

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<v Speaker 5>drinks with and saying what's up, and they're saying, trust me,

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<v Speaker 5>he's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta trust me on this. I'm with him every day. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what do you do.

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<v Speaker 5>This was the experience of dozens of officials, from politicians

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<v Speaker 5>to donors to left leaning pundits. In the spring of

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty four. This democrat called top White House officials

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<v Speaker 5>every day. I'm defending this guy. The top democrat told him,

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<v Speaker 5>someone tell me he's okay. Like it doesn't look great,

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<v Speaker 5>the press conferences don't look great. He was reassured every time.

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<v Speaker 5>The top democrat told us, I'd love to know which

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<v Speaker 5>top Democrat this was. Anita Dunn told me he was fine.

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<v Speaker 5>That's one of the inner circles. Jeff told me he's fine.

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<v Speaker 5>Jeff Design's chiefest staff told me he was fine. Donaldin said,

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<v Speaker 5>I promise he's okay. To their faith, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>To the wallow a little longer in orwell though it

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<v Speaker 6>sounds like Jake Tapper and these people are being told

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<v Speaker 6>by the friends and associates ignore the evidence of your

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<v Speaker 6>eyes and ears.

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<v Speaker 5>The President was fond of using the formal family motto

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<v Speaker 5>of giving my word as a Biden, but they had another,

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<v Speaker 5>more private saying in the Biden family, never call a

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<v Speaker 5>fat person fat. It wasn't about politics, It was about

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<v Speaker 5>ignoring ugly facts. Don't say mean truths. Is how someone

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<v Speaker 5>close to the family put it. The Biden's greatest strength

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<v Speaker 5>is living in their own reality, this person told us,

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<v Speaker 5>and Biden himself is gifted at creating it. Bo isn't

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<v Speaker 5>going to die Hunters, sobriety is stable. Joe always tells

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<v Speaker 5>the truth. Joe cares more about his family than his

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<v Speaker 5>own ambition.

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<v Speaker 2>They stick to.

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<v Speaker 5>The narrative and repeat it over and over inside and

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<v Speaker 5>outside the family.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that rings true.

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<v Speaker 5>From twenty twenty three, what I've been able to observe

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<v Speaker 5>right of their family. Yeah, from twenty twenty to until

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<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty four. All this resulted in an almost spiritual

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<v Speaker 5>refusal to admit that Biden was declining. I thought that

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<v Speaker 5>was interesting, For instance, about lying about health situations. Bo Biden,

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<v Speaker 5>who died, the son that he referenced all the time

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<v Speaker 5>of cancer, was the sitting Attorney general of Delaware. He

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<v Speaker 5>had an important public position in the state. He lied

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<v Speaker 5>about his cancer the way his dad has been lying

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<v Speaker 5>about his cancer currently. In the summer of twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 5>Bo collapsed during a family vacation and underwent brain surgery

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<v Speaker 5>to remove a tumor. Bo's tumor was definitely stage four.

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<v Speaker 5>Biden later wrote about the post operative findings. It was

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<v Speaker 5>a death sentence, under wrote Bow began limiting his public

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<v Speaker 5>appearance as his fall. He stopped doing media interviews. He

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<v Speaker 5>appeared gaunt, but Biden and Bo's team internally debated not

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<v Speaker 5>to disclose about vote Bo, the Vice president's son and

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<v Speaker 5>state's top law enforcement officer, but ultimately said nothing. In November,

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<v Speaker 5>Bo told the local reporter that he'd been given a

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<v Speaker 5>clean bill of health. This was not that many months

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<v Speaker 5>before he died, So he was lying in his own state.

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<v Speaker 2>In a position where the voters should know, you're dying

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<v Speaker 2>and not capable, and they.

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<v Speaker 5>Were flying him all over the country doing these experimental

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<v Speaker 5>cancer treatments and everything like that. I mean, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 5>you got, like you brought up last hour, you've got

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<v Speaker 5>your own personal health and how much do you need

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<v Speaker 5>to share with people.

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<v Speaker 2>But on the other hand, you're.

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<v Speaker 5>Not able to do your job that the people put

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<v Speaker 5>you in office for at all, and you're you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you're looking at people in the face of light. But

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<v Speaker 5>the point I think from Jake Tapper and Alec Thompson

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<v Speaker 5>in the book by laying that out, is the Biden

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<v Speaker 5>family just created their own reality about whatever story they

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to and always did to the media. They didn't

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<v Speaker 5>they didn't think the telling people honestly what was happening

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<v Speaker 5>was necessary at all.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, clearly, which bits interesting. More on this to come,

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<v Speaker 2>So I got another example from the book.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe I'll get to next hour of how early and

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<v Speaker 5>how bad Joe Biden's brain was and how people how

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<v Speaker 2>He was, he was.

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<v Speaker 5>He shouldn't have run in twenty twenty. Absolutely shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 5>run in twenty twenty, let alone twenty four.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's been my position for a while. Yeah, which

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<v Speaker 6>is pretty cover up was in full force early early, early.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going to talk to our favorite healthcare expert, Craig

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<v Speaker 5>Gottwaals this hour to tell you about Medicaid and how

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<v Speaker 5>you're getting ripped off, among other things.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, how a program designed to cover a tiny few

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<v Speaker 6>unfortunate Americans is now covering about a third of us

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<v Speaker 6>or more.

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<v Speaker 5>And the reason we're going to be talking about it

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<v Speaker 5>is a lot of whether we cut this back or

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<v Speaker 5>not is part of the big beautiful bill that the

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<v Speaker 5>Republicans are trying to push through, So you should know

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<v Speaker 5>more about it, among other things we've got coming up today.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay here.

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<v Speaker 7>This is in scale and in scope and embrazen. This

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<v Speaker 7>the biggest espionage operation against the US in its history.

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<v Speaker 6>At sixty minutes, talking about the Chinese intelligence efforts against

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<v Speaker 6>the US going on right now as we speak. Let's

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<v Speaker 6>hear one more clip. Michae Linn will discuss why.

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<v Speaker 2>Do China's espionage efforts appear to be growing so big,

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<v Speaker 2>so fast under c Jimping.

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<v Speaker 7>Chi Jinping thinks it's China's time to move to the

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<v Speaker 7>center of the world stage. Xi Jinping looks at the

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<v Speaker 7>West and at the US and says, these people are

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<v Speaker 7>feeble minded, and I'm going to be able to beat them.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I'm standing right here. I can hear you.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, look at the president for the last four years.

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks for feeble minded? Where'd you get that impression?

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<v Speaker 5>Says the United States as a whole, Hey, we can

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<v Speaker 5>hear you calling us feeble minded?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I see.

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<v Speaker 5>The problem is I'm afraid they're gonna pull it off,

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<v Speaker 5>replacing the United States as being the center of the world.

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<v Speaker 5>The only thing stopping them are their own, like internal problems.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not doing a good job of stopping them.

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<v Speaker 6>No, And they have a massive, massive effort to spy

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<v Speaker 6>on the United States, both the conventional spying, industrial espionage,

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<v Speaker 6>and the rest of it. And I've told this story

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<v Speaker 6>many times before, but I was acquainted with some folks

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<v Speaker 6>from the FBI counter terrorism I'm sorry, counterintelligence, you know

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<v Speaker 6>efforts who went to a prominent college campus and told them, hey,

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<v Speaker 6>you've got a bunch of Chinese agents on your campus,

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<v Speaker 6>masquerading as researchers and students and the rest of it.

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<v Speaker 6>And we're told by the university president get off my campus,

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<v Speaker 6>you racists. We are just coming through that part of

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<v Speaker 6>the woke mindset, the rejection.

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<v Speaker 2>It's xenophilia.

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<v Speaker 6>If they're foreigners, they must be good because I hate

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<v Speaker 6>my own country. And how dare you suggest that these

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<v Speaker 6>nice Chinese people might be agents? Well, this is so

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<v Speaker 6>interesting from the Free Press, a story about specifically, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's not unique to Stanford University, but there's a hell

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<v Speaker 6>of a lot of it. The story is how China

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<v Speaker 6>turned Stanford students into spies. And again, this is solid

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<v Speaker 6>damn journalism. It would take me half an hour to

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<v Speaker 6>read this whole thing to you, but it is old school,

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<v Speaker 6>many months spent journalism. Last summer, a man calling himself

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<v Speaker 6>Charles Chen approached several Stanford University students unsolicited using social media.

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<v Speaker 6>There were almost all women, and they were invariably researching

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<v Speaker 6>China related topics. One of them was Anna, Stanford undergrad

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<v Speaker 6>student working on sensitive subjects linked to Chinese economy and

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<v Speaker 6>military developments. At first, Chen's outreach seemed benign. He asked

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<v Speaker 6>about networking opportunities, but soon his messages took a strange turn.

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<v Speaker 6>He and he requested anonymity. He spoke Mandarin, He spent videos.

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<v Speaker 6>He sent videos of Americans who had gained fame in China.

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<v Speaker 6>He encouraged Anna to visit Beijing, even offered to cover

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<v Speaker 6>travel expenses, on and on, told her how long to

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<v Speaker 6>stay in China, short enough to avoid scrutiny by the government.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he urged her to communicate exclusively.

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<v Speaker 6>Via the Chinese version of we Chat, a platform heavily

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<v Speaker 6>monitored by the Chinese Communist Party. Mentioned things he knew

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<v Speaker 6>about her that she had never told him, and he

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<v Speaker 6>asked her to delete screenshots after commenting on one of

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<v Speaker 6>our social media posts, and on and on it well,

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<v Speaker 6>with the help of experts familiar with espionage tactics and

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<v Speaker 6>a contacted the FBI, it revealed Charles Chen had posed

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<v Speaker 6>as Stanford's student for years, slightly altering his name and

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<v Speaker 6>online persona. He was actually an agent of the Chinese

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<v Speaker 6>Ministry of State Security the MSS, who the sixty Minutes

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<v Speaker 6>folks were talking about, whose job it was to target

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<v Speaker 6>Stanford's students sympathetic to China who could be used to

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<v Speaker 6>gather intelligence, and for years concerns about Chinese espionage have

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<v Speaker 6>quietly persisted at Stanford, yet until now, no attempt has

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<v Speaker 6>ever been made to gauge how pervasive it is. The

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<v Speaker 6>answer we discovered after a year long investigation is very pervasive.

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<v Speaker 6>Everything overwhelming evidence that the CCP is orchestrating a widespread

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<v Speaker 6>spying operation at Stanford.

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<v Speaker 5>Dang it, there's so much more to say about this.

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<v Speaker 5>We have to bring it back up because we're out

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<v Speaker 5>of time. Everyone should know the letters at MSS. Don't

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<v Speaker 5>ever throw around KGB or something like that. That's that's

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<v Speaker 5>in the past. MSS is what is going to ruin

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<v Speaker 5>your life. That's the mount KGB of China. I would

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<v Speaker 5>be delighted to go big on this anytime you want.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll do it soon. Yeah, we've got a lot off.

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<v Speaker 8>They literally are trying to take healthcare away from millions

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<v Speaker 8>of Americans at this very moment in the dead of night.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my god, Oh my god. It's a party of monsters.

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<v Speaker 6>That's why they're having the Republicans. They're monsters.

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<v Speaker 5>That's why they're having the one am vote tonight on

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<v Speaker 5>the big beautiful bill to try to slide through in

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<v Speaker 5>the darker night, the cutting back on Medicaid.

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<v Speaker 6>And so the Republicans who are actual vampires can come

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<v Speaker 6>out to vote too, because you know, the sun is down.

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<v Speaker 6>So Craig Gottwalls originally Craig the Obamacare lawyer, because when

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<v Speaker 6>Obamacare was in the works and passed, Craig would talk

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<v Speaker 6>to us about it, longtime friend of the show, and

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<v Speaker 6>everything he said was true, and virtually everything he predicted happened,

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<v Speaker 6>in contrast to most of the coverage of it, which

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<v Speaker 6>was garbage. Well, Craig is now Craig the healthcare Guru,

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<v Speaker 6>and we're going to talk a little bit about Medicaid,

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<v Speaker 6>among other things. Craig Gottwaals, how are you, Craig.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good, How are you, gentlemen?

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<v Speaker 2>Terrific? Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 6>So what do you make of Hakeem Jeffrey's quote there

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<v Speaker 6>and what is the reality of Medicaid?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it underscores just how we can never give anything

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<v Speaker 1>to the government. This is why we can't have nice things.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen sixty five, the federal government passed Medicare

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<v Speaker 1>and Medicaid, and specifically with respect to Medicaid, the whole

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<v Speaker 1>idea was, man, we need a safety net for like

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<v Speaker 1>single moms with disabled children who are falling through the cracks.

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<v Speaker 1>We need we need this, this mechanism to just capture

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<v Speaker 1>the most disadvantaged among us, to help them out, to

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<v Speaker 1>give them, to give them a lift.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so we did.

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<v Speaker 1>And back when this was passed in nineteen sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>it was designed to cover two percent of Americans. Today

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<v Speaker 1>it covers one in three Americans and forty one percent

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<v Speaker 1>of all babies burst in our country.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa forty babies born?

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<v Speaker 6>So originally forty one line the disabled, the utterly unable

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<v Speaker 6>to help themselves, and now it is approaching half of us.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that because we have so many more single moms

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<v Speaker 5>with blind babies?

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<v Speaker 2>Or what does happen? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>You know you got you, you know better than I jack.

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<v Speaker 1>This is entitlement creep, government creep that its finest. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you When we when this really took took off

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<v Speaker 1>and became insane was with Obamacare in the early you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty teens. When Obamacare came into play, Obamacare was bribing

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<v Speaker 1>the states, because you know, the way this thing works,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an agreement between the state and the federal government

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<v Speaker 1>and they're shared financing, right, So the federal government couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>just say to the states, you shall expand Medicaid. But

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<v Speaker 1>what the federal government did is said, hey, look if

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<v Speaker 1>you expand Medicaid to basically able bodied, working age people

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<v Speaker 1>now because we'd already you know, had Medicaid for all

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<v Speaker 1>the other categories you just mentioned, Joe, the government said, look,

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<v Speaker 1>if you do that, will we the federal government will

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<v Speaker 1>pay one hundred percent of it for some time, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll pay ninety percent of it. So all but

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<v Speaker 1>ten states went ahead and said, heck, yeah, we'll take

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<v Speaker 1>that deal. And so now with that, with that Medicaid

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<v Speaker 1>expansion expansion that occurred with Obamacare, it's it's ninety percent

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<v Speaker 1>paid for by federal tax payers, and it covers anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>from eight million to fourteen million able bodied working adults

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<v Speaker 1>or able bodied adults, some of which are working, some

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<v Speaker 1>of which aren't.

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<v Speaker 6>And in a bizarre twist, correct me if I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 6>the federal government compensates the states at a much higher

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<v Speaker 6>percentage for able bodied dudes smoking pot on their parents

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<v Speaker 6>based on counch than they do for actual like disabled

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<v Speaker 6>people in blind babies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, that's exactly right. So that was the that

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<v Speaker 1>was the Obamacare bride because because Medicaid already covered all

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<v Speaker 1>those people we were trying to protect, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>we started this thing in the sixties. So it covered

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<v Speaker 1>all those people that had disabilities, single moms, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>the blind, that disabled, but it didn't cover just underemployed

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<v Speaker 1>or unemployed, abled bodied adults. And so in order to

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<v Speaker 1>get the states to agree to do that, the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government had to say, look, we know that we're only

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<v Speaker 1>paying you an average of fifty to sixty five cents

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<v Speaker 1>on the dollar for your existing Medicaid, and we know

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<v Speaker 1>that's not enough to get you the states to agree

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<v Speaker 1>to go ahead and cover the adults. So we'll pay

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<v Speaker 1>ninety to one hundred percent, starting at one hundred percent,

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<v Speaker 1>drop downe to ninety percent. So, yes, that's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are a twenty eight year old dude smoking

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<v Speaker 1>pot in your mom and dad's basement right now, medicaid's

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<v Speaker 1>paying ninety percent. The federal government's paying ninety percent of

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<v Speaker 1>your medicaid where it's only paying an average of sixty

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<v Speaker 1>cents on the dollar in a state like California for

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<v Speaker 1>a disabled mother with the child.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm thinking somebody I know specifically who has like a

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<v Speaker 5>regular person with the job and is doing it the

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<v Speaker 5>normal way, and they're incredible medical bills they got right

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<v Speaker 5>now because they've had some health problems. That's very galling

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<v Speaker 5>that they have these high medical bills with insurance and everything,

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<v Speaker 5>as opposed to if you got on some sort of

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<v Speaker 5>government plan, it would all be covered.

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<v Speaker 6>And Craig, I'm going to leave it up to your

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<v Speaker 6>judgment how much you want to get into this, But

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<v Speaker 6>there are all sorts of other perverse incentives that this

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<v Speaker 6>law has caused states, you know, taxing hospitals to raise

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<v Speaker 6>the amount spent, but then they get it back from

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<v Speaker 6>the federal government.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they give it back to the hospitals. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's business team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's let me just give you a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>nuggets on the cost of it, just just because what's

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<v Speaker 1>happened is employers pay two to three times the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of a hospital visit as Medicare and Medicaid do. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you are on Medicare and Medicaid, you go to

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<v Speaker 1>the hospital, you pay X. If you're on an employer

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<v Speaker 1>sponsored plan, you pay two's the three times X.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow the bill as I was just talking about, Thus

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:27.359
<v Speaker 2>the bills.

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<v Speaker 1>But even with that reality, gentlemen, if you're on Medicare,

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 1>that cost per taxpayer is about eleven thousand per year,

0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:38.359
<v Speaker 1>If you're on Medicaid, it's ninety four hundred per year,

0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and for employer sponsored people it's eighty seven hundred per year.

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 1>So even with that, granted, employer sponsored coverage generally younger,

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:51.639
<v Speaker 1>generally healthier, we get that. But even with this tremendous

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:55.439
<v Speaker 1>cost shift to the hospitals, it just it underscores how

0:24:55.560 --> 0:25:00.400
<v Speaker 1>inefficient these government programs are. When they passed meta Care,

0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:02.560
<v Speaker 1>now this is Medicare, not Medicaid, but they did all

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 1>the financials together when they passed it in nineteen sixty seven,

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:08.919
<v Speaker 1>actually two years in, when they did an analysis on it,

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 1>they said, hey, we think this is going to cost

0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>twelve billion by nineteen ninety, when in fact it cost

0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:18.560
<v Speaker 1>one hundred billion. They were off by a factor of eight.

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<v Speaker 2>With Medicare the bullet train of medicine.

0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the bullet train of medicine. And now that

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.360
<v Speaker 1>there are some people making noises that, gee, we ought

0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:29.160
<v Speaker 1>to trim back the edges a little bit and get

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 1>these able bodied adults off of it. You, of course

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.520
<v Speaker 1>get the grand standing of politicians, even those on the right,

0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 1>screaming that it's murder in the streets.

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:40.199
<v Speaker 2>So Medicare is the one we all get when we

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:41.120
<v Speaker 2>typnical it will.

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:42.760
<v Speaker 5>Medicare is the one we all get when we turned

0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 5>sixty five. But Medicaid is the one that the downtrodden.

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:50.560
<v Speaker 6>Or folks allegedly yeah, yeah, hey, Craig, I want to

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 6>do the numbers you did for Medicaid too. So in

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:58.399
<v Speaker 6>nineteen eighty seven, Congress projected that Medicaid would make special

0:25:58.480 --> 0:26:01.200
<v Speaker 6>relief payments to hospitals of life less than a billion dollars.

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.159
<v Speaker 2>By nineteen ninety two under a billion dollars.

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:08.080
<v Speaker 6>The actual cost was seventeen billion, So they're seventeen times

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 6>as high. I mean, if that doesn't tell you what

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 6>you need to know about government entitlement programs and what

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 6>they do, inevitably, well you're too stupid to understand it,

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:17.239
<v Speaker 6>and I pity you.

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:20.840
<v Speaker 1>And that one was in a five year span, Joe.

0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:23.320
<v Speaker 1>That was their eighty seven projection for ninety two.

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you're right. Yeah, that wasn't well. And

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:28.359
<v Speaker 2>one of the problems.

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:32.680
<v Speaker 5>One of the problems is, you know, all government programs grow,

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 5>and you know the high cost of good intentions and

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 5>all that sort of stuff. But in this case you've

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:40.920
<v Speaker 5>got the added part that there's a bunch of people

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.239
<v Speaker 5>that want the government to run all of healthcare. So

0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:46.800
<v Speaker 5>they love it. They're pushing the expansion. It's not just

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 5>like normal bureaucratic creep. They're pushing it. The more people cover,

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 5>the more you can make the argument of well or

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 5>already government healthcare anyway, let's just flip the switch and

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:57.680
<v Speaker 5>go full on single pair.

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:03.040
<v Speaker 1>You're absolutely right, and the single payer I'm just here

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:05.720
<v Speaker 1>to tell you the single payer path is a good

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:08.679
<v Speaker 1>thirty to fifty percent more expensive. Now those costs are

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 1>hidden because of the way the money slashes around. But

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 1>you've only got one payer of healthcare in America that

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:20.920
<v Speaker 1>actually cares what it costs, and that's employers. That's it.

0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 1>The insurance companies don't care because the way Obamacare is written,

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 1>they need more claims to make more money. The government

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:30.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't care because the more healthcare costs, the more budget

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:34.720
<v Speaker 1>they get to address the issue. The only policy holder,

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:37.919
<v Speaker 1>the only tax the only moneyed interest in this that

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>actually cares is an employer, and it's dramatically shrinking. Those

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>of us that get healthcare at work is shrinking every year.

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 5>I don't know how we ever get this fixed, because,

0:27:46.600 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 5>like you've probably been listening, No, I got whooping cough.

0:27:49.200 --> 0:27:51.080
<v Speaker 5>So I've been to the doctor, like yeah, four or

0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:55.240
<v Speaker 5>five times, eight different medications, all these different bills, most

0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 5>of them tiny. I don't have the slightest idea what

0:27:58.400 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 5>anything cost.

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Or I'll get a bill.

0:28:01.000 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 5>I know, I'll get a bill in a month for

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 5>one hundred and eighty bucks or five hundred and eighty bucks,

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:06.399
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, and then I'll just pay it.

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 2>And nobody has any idea.

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:12.879
<v Speaker 5>And the randomness of those of us who have employee uh,

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:15.119
<v Speaker 5>you know, insurance.

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:17.640
<v Speaker 2>We don't know if we're getting ripped off or good

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:22.840
<v Speaker 2>price or whatever. So it's it's complicated. It's certainly discouraging.

0:28:22.880 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, Craig, Yeah, and it's it's not helped Jack

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 1>by the you know a lot of people think that, hey,

0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I have Purple Cross as my insurance, and so whether

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.879
<v Speaker 1>I go to Stanford or El Camino or Good Sam

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>for this particular shoulder surgery should be about the same

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 1>price because I have a Purple Cross Ppo contract. Right,

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 1>It's not you can pay ten thousand for that shoulder

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:51.320
<v Speaker 1>surgery or fifty thousand for that shoulder surgery with the

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>same exact insurance card. It's utterly insane what's happening in

0:28:56.600 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 1>the commercial market because government has crept into this unholy

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>a lineions with the commercial payers, and so you have this,

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 1>you have a situation where it's crony capitalism at its

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 1>absolute worst. You know we're talking about and we can

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.720
<v Speaker 1>tease for a future visit, but there are ways to

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 1>get around this. But relying on the government or this

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:19.800
<v Speaker 1>large commercial sector is going to kill us. And when

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I say the commercial sector, I mean the fully insured carriers.

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Employer sponsored plans, self funded employer sponsored plans are the

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 1>way to go. It's the only way to beat this

0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>and beat it back.

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we're talking to Craig Gottwal's Craig the healthcare guru.

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Craig.

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 6>I feel like at this point in the interview, we

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 6>ought to give people the local suicide hotline number.

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, because it's so discouraging.

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:48.800
<v Speaker 6>So we've you know, described this incredible, mountainous, wasteful, enormously

0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 6>expensive government program out of control. And if you, as

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 6>say a Republican, a Chip Roy, for instance, say hey,

0:29:56.320 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 6>can we have thirty five year old guy smoking pawn

0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 6>on his parents couch, please pay a thirty five dollars

0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 6>copay when he goes to the doctor, you have Hakeeen

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:09.720
<v Speaker 6>Jeffrey screaming. You're literally taking healthcare away from millions of Americans.

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's that's one problem, though, the other problem is

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 5>you that's a Democrat. You got Josh Holley, a Republican

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 5>writing an option, and Molly has lost his soul. I

0:30:18.560 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 5>hope he gets hit by a car abhorror violence.

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Josh Holly.

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:27.280
<v Speaker 5>Right. So I think in the New York Times last week,

0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 5>you know, Republicans, hey, do not cut any of this.

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 2>It's a bad political move. So where does that leave you? Yeah?

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:38.120
<v Speaker 1>It you. At this point, gentlemen, I put my head down.

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't even listen to the big the big picture anymore.

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 1>And I just try and help one employer at a time.

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 1>It's just and and I get individuals to contact me,

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and they asked me, what do I do, and I say,

0:30:47.760 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 1>buy is little difference, check in by the highest deductible.

0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, don't get sick is your recommendation.

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Don't get sick, but find a doctor, find a doctor

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.800
<v Speaker 1>who's left the system, and engage in something called direct

0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>prime mary care, where you give them anywhere from seventy

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>five to two hundred dollars a month, you treat, you

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.120
<v Speaker 1>work with them, and then God forbid you have something

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 1>giant happen. You have the highest deductible you can stomach

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 1>to go deal with that issue. But you've got to

0:31:13.840 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>cut insurance and government payments out as much as you

0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 1>can and work directly with doctors. And the good news

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>is that system is growing. Gentlemen, I talk to doctors

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 1>every week that are leaving the system and going direct

0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:29.320
<v Speaker 1>pay with individuals and not the three hundred and fifty

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>dollars concierge model, but like doing this for one hundred

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>dollars a month. Literally.

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 6>Well, I love the idea of starting at that point

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 6>in our next conversation with you, Craig, and talking about that,

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 6>because one of the things I was going to bring

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 6>up if we have time, and we don't unfortunately, but

0:31:44.800 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 6>some of the unholy vertical integration of the giant healthcare

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 6>companies where they own the doctor, they own the hospital,

0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 6>they own the pharmacy, they own the pharmacy benefit manager,

0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 6>which is an unholy, murky cesspool of God knows where

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 6>the money goes. And so yeah, the idea of checking

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:06.040
<v Speaker 6>out of that system, I love it. Let's let's let's

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 6>talk off the air. Will schedule you to come back

0:32:08.400 --> 0:32:11.000
<v Speaker 6>because I think it'd be great for the good folks.

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Sounds great, gentlemen, have a wonderful day.

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks, Craig. Appreciate the time you have to come

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 2>on all the time and bear bad news.

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 6>I mean it's like, yeah, I just you know, as

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 6>a realist, you've unlike the Biden family, the one thing

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 6>you must do is understand reality or or you're you're houseless.

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 5>I've been saying to Craig and he usually agrees for years.

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 5>I think the realist view is we're going to end

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 5>up single payer healthcare. Uh it's just when when does

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 5>that fight?

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I suppose so.

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 6>But in every single health single payer healthcare system, people

0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 6>who can afford.

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>It go outside, right right, got to learn those ropes.

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, wait, hang it don't folks, it'll be okay, don't

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 6>get sick.

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Just don't get sick or break anything. That's the answer.

0:32:57.960 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 2>Stay here.

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 9>Hey, Deth and inmates tonight are still at large. These

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 9>are dangerous inmates. They have serious charges. At least for

0:33:08.760 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 9>are charged with murder or attempted murder. Sheriff's office says

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 9>there was no guard assigned to the pod, only a technician,

0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 9>who officials say stepped away to get food when this happened.

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 9>Authority is now investigating whether this was an inside job.

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 9>So far, three staff members have been suspended without pay.

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 9>The district attorney says there was a complete breakdown in

0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 9>jail protocol.

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 4>Any family member who was scared or frustrated, they have

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 4>every right to be sould.

0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 5>A breakdown in jail protocol. If it turns out as

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 5>the breaking news is that uh, one dude there helped

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 5>them get out. Somebody worked there, is that a breakdown

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 5>in protocol? The people who work there aren't supposed to

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:51.680
<v Speaker 5>help people escape. Yeah, the protocol is keep them in. Yes,

0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:54.040
<v Speaker 5>there was a breakdown in that product. The maintenance guy

0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 5>helped them escape. Louisiana so corrupt, unbelievable.

0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 6>May before we move on after the conversation with Craig

0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 6>gott Waltz in the last segment about medicaid and how

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 6>bloated and horrible it is and how Obamacare exploded it.

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 6>Here's your breaking news. Trump moved to end the quarreling

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 6>among various GOP factions. Quote, tell them don't f around

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 6>with Medicaid. So the orders came from Trump to the

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 6>GOP don't do anything to reform Medicaid.

0:34:24.960 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, I give up.

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 5>So I just got a text from a friend of

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 5>mine who he's on the older end, but he said, Uh,

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:38.279
<v Speaker 5>just got the Medicare statement for a cardiac ablation one

0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:40.719
<v Speaker 5>hundred and eighty eight thousand dollars for an over at

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 5>night's stay.

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 2>And he's gonna pay fifty two dollars. But that one

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty eight thousand dollars.

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 5>Nobody has the slightest idea if that's anywhere close to reasonable?

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:54.759
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 6>No, who gets it? I don't know how'd you come

0:34:58.680 --> 0:34:59.879
<v Speaker 6>up with? Where's it coming from?

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Exactly? Now? That is no system anyway.

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 5>The other breaking news we've got around the conference that's

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 5>going on right now with Trump meeting with Republicans trying

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 5>to get the big beautiful bill. Thing is he has

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 5>completely flipped on salt for whatever reason. That is the

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 5>whole getting deduct your state taxes in the Blue.

0:35:21.680 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 6>States state and local tax right exactly deduction. Uh.

0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Trump has flipped.

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:32.120
<v Speaker 5>He says raising the cap benefits with raising the cap

0:35:32.160 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 5>would benefit democratic governors. We don't want to benefit democrats.

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 5>So he is against the salt thing now, having been

0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:43.879
<v Speaker 5>for it pretty strongly for.

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:46.919
<v Speaker 2>The last week. I don't know what was going on there.

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:52.320
<v Speaker 5>And this just in he just said to one congress person,

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 5>I know your district better than you do. If you

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:59.800
<v Speaker 5>lose because assault, you were going to lose anyway, So

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 5>there you go. But anyway, that's the right thing happening,

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 5>the assaults of the crime against nature. I mean, it's

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 5>just horrible, even though it would benefit me personally.

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 6>What cap are they going with thirty grand or I

0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 6>don't know, I don't not or because the Blue state guys,

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<v Speaker 6>we're trying to raise it to like fifty or unlimited,

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<v Speaker 6>right well, so that all the red states could pay

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<v Speaker 6>for the Blue states, you know, income.

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<v Speaker 5>TAXI Trump's actually at a microphone now, so maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 5>hear that. And they have a meeting at one am

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<v Speaker 5>for some reason tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's going on. LA getting tough on immigration.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to believe it. Stay with us,