1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jetty and No He Armstrong and Eddy. 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 3: Go back with breaking news in our politics lead and 5 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 3: a brand new excerpt from my upcoming book with Axios 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 3: is Alex Thompson. It's called Original Sin. I'm not sure 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 3: if you've heard of it. It's on Biden's Decline. It's 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 3: called Original Sin. I'm sure you've heard on May twentieth. 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: That's Tuesday. Original Sin that's coming out in three week, 10 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: comes out Tuesday. You will not believe what we found out. 11 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 4: Don't news people have to tell you what they know 12 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 4: when they find it out. Isn't that the difference between 13 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 4: news and the secret? You won't believe when we found out. 14 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 2: No, That's why I'm watching it. Breaking news in a week. 15 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 5: John Stuart always been good at cutting through to the 16 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 5: obvious with things like that, like one of his quotes 17 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 5: John Stewart last night on the Daily Show. He does 18 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 5: it once a week. And we're about to talk about 19 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 5: the Jake Tapper book, which I don't know the title 20 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 5: Love and it doesn't matter. I'm not looking it up 21 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 5: and I refuse to mention it. But John Stewart says, 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 5: forget about the fact of how effing weird it is 23 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 5: that the News is selling you a book about news 24 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 5: that should have told. 25 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: You was news a year ago, for free. 26 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 5: He's selling you a book full of information he should 27 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 5: have told you last. 28 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: Year for free, which is a pretty good. 29 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 6: Point, right, I mean, that's what you do for living well. 30 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 5: Tapper is claiming that these people weren't willing to say 31 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 5: this stuff out loud, a lot of them until after 32 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,279 Speaker 5: the election, which is true. But the the ultimate point 33 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 5: of Biden's brain didn't work. Everybody already knew, so whatever. So, 34 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 5: as I mentioned, it's unintentionally hilarious. 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 2: This book. 36 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 5: I bought it like a month or so ago. I 37 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 5: don't know, I wasn't drunk. I don't know what made 38 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 5: me do it, but I bought it and so it 39 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 5: showed up in my uh my kindle last night and 40 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 5: I started reading it, and I'm kind of angry that 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 5: I put money in their pocket because of all the 42 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 5: stuff we've said, and it's it's it's it's hard to 43 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 5: believe it even exists. 44 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: I mean, like, like John. 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 5: Stewart said, it's effing weird, yeah, that it even exists 46 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 5: as a thing. 47 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: But so they took themselves so seriously. 48 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 5: I believe they would they would do this differently if 49 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 5: they knew how it was going to land after all 50 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 5: the criticism and Mark Halprin last week, taking apart his 51 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 5: explanations of how tough he was and all that sort 52 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 5: of stuff, because they go way over the top with 53 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 5: the seriousness of this. The whatever page it is before 54 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 5: the book starts, I don't know what you call that page. 55 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 5: It has a couple of quotes, one from Ulysses, a 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 5: poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson. Though much has taken much 57 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 5: abides and though we are not now. I won't read 58 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 5: the whole thing. It's very long, but some long complicated poem, 59 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 5: and then also a quote from King Lear William Shakespeare. 60 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 5: They told me everything they told me I was everything 61 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 5: 'tis a lie. I am not og proof, which I 62 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 5: had to look up with some disease back in the day. 63 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: But to. 64 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 5: Have these like heavy literary quotes before you start to 65 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 5: tell us something we already knew is weird. And you 66 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 5: were nearly the only class of people on earth who 67 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 5: were either blind to it or pretending otherwise. I'll read 68 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 5: some more from the like the the intro before they 69 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 5: get to the book. The lessons from this book go 70 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 5: beyond one man and one political party. They speak to 71 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 5: or universal questions about cognitive dissonance, group think, courage, cowardice, 72 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 5: and patriotism. Yeah toward you, Yeah, with you being like 73 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 5: the main you and your friends, right, not off you. 74 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 5: We knew, we knew, and we're reacting that way. That's 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 5: what drove him out of office, the polls showing you 76 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 5: couldn't win because we knew you're the one. This paragraph 77 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 5: is about you, Yes, exactly. 78 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 6: It's funny you were talking about John Stewart cutting through 79 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 6: the clutter to get to the simple truth of it. 80 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: Just occurred to me. 81 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 6: The simple truth of this is the tone of this is. 82 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 6: Listen to this, and we expect your gratitude. 83 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: You should be grateful. 84 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 6: To us for exposing these truths, all this smugness of it. 85 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: No, Jake, No, you're the one group of people on 86 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: earth who can't be smug about this and can't let 87 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: sure anybody. 88 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 5: Hey, let's go with this long orwell quote which we 89 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 5: usually read part of but not the whole thing, And 90 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 5: I will just because it's so damn interesting, and he 91 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 5: puts this in there also. Georgia Orwell once wrote that 92 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 5: we are all capable of believing things which we know 93 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 5: to be untrue, and then when we are finally proved wrong, 94 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 5: impudently twisting the facts so as to show that we 95 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 5: were right. Intellectually, it is possible to carry on this 96 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 5: process for an indefinite time. The only check on it 97 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 5: is that sooner or later a false belief bumps up 98 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 5: against solid reality, usually on a battlefield. He was writing 99 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 5: about World War Two, but he could have been writing 100 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 5: about anytime, any era. The Germans in the back to 101 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 5: the quote from Orwell, the Germans and the Japanese lost 102 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 5: the war quite largely because their rulers were unable to 103 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 5: see facts which were plane to any dispassionate eye. To 104 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 5: see what is in fronv one's nose needs a constant struggle. 105 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: Uh. Which is very very interesting. 106 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 5: And I doubt that Jake, when he put that quote 107 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 5: in there, was thinking about himself, the being able to 108 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 5: believe something we know to be untrue, and then when 109 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 5: we are approved wrong, twisting. 110 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: Facts to show we were right. That is exactly the 111 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 2: Jake Tapper story of the last week. 112 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, and then Jake writes, Jake and Alex, we should 113 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 5: throw in Alex Thompson's name, who gets a lot of 114 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 5: credit from a bunch of people for actually being kind 115 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 5: of tough on the Biden people, but he was not 116 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 5: as big a star, so didn't get mentioned as much. 117 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 5: Here was what is in front of our noses? Yeah, 118 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 5: your nose. You're the one with the sources. 119 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 120 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 6: This is one of the most stunning examples of a 121 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 6: lack of self awareness I've ever observed. 122 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 5: As I mentioned earlier in the show, one thing that 123 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 5: did come out of the book that I didn't know 124 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 5: was just how much they were lying to their own people, 125 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 5: not just the public or Fox or whoever, or even 126 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 5: the media, but like their own friends. The tightest circle 127 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 5: was lying to people that they are friends with and 128 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 5: have known forever. And that's part of why those people 129 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 5: believed it. I mean, you wouldn't expect, like your own 130 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 5: colleagues that you have a personal relationship with, when you 131 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 5: go to him and say, I saw the President on 132 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 5: the TV last night. 133 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: What is going on? Oh he's fine, he is fine, 134 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: trust me, Behind closed doors, he's fine. 135 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, he'd had a long day, he didn't sleep all 136 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 6: the night before, but he's sharpest attack. 137 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just read a little bit from the book. 138 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: Uh. 139 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 5: Publicly and privately defending the president and his acuity. I 140 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 5: spoke with the White House and campaign officials regularly and 141 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 5: received constant reassurance. 142 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: He's fine, he's fine, he's fine. 143 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 5: They all said, you know, I'm not giving Jake Tapper 144 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 5: a pass because again, the public figured it out without 145 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 5: any sources. But if Jake Tapper is going to people 146 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 5: he trusts and his friends with and goes out for 147 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 5: drinks with and saying what's up, and they're saying, trust me, 148 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 5: he's fine. 149 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: You gotta trust me on this. I'm with him every day. Okay, 150 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: I don't know what do you do. 151 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 5: This was the experience of dozens of officials, from politicians 152 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 5: to donors to left leaning pundits. In the spring of 153 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 5: twenty twenty four. This democrat called top White House officials 154 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 5: every day. I'm defending this guy. The top democrat told him, 155 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 5: someone tell me he's okay. Like it doesn't look great, 156 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 5: the press conferences don't look great. He was reassured every time. 157 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 5: The top democrat told us, I'd love to know which 158 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 5: top Democrat this was. Anita Dunn told me he was fine. 159 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 5: That's one of the inner circles. Jeff told me he's fine. 160 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 5: Jeff Design's chiefest staff told me he was fine. Donaldin said, 161 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 5: I promise he's okay. To their faith, Yeah. 162 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 6: To the wallow a little longer in orwell though it 163 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 6: sounds like Jake Tapper and these people are being told 164 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 6: by the friends and associates ignore the evidence of your 165 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 6: eyes and ears. 166 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 5: The President was fond of using the formal family motto 167 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 5: of giving my word as a Biden, but they had another, 168 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 5: more private saying in the Biden family, never call a 169 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 5: fat person fat. It wasn't about politics, It was about 170 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 5: ignoring ugly facts. Don't say mean truths. Is how someone 171 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 5: close to the family put it. The Biden's greatest strength 172 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 5: is living in their own reality, this person told us, 173 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 5: and Biden himself is gifted at creating it. Bo isn't 174 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 5: going to die Hunters, sobriety is stable. Joe always tells 175 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 5: the truth. Joe cares more about his family than his 176 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 5: own ambition. 177 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 2: They stick to. 178 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 5: The narrative and repeat it over and over inside and 179 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 5: outside the family. 180 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: Wow, that rings true. 181 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 5: From twenty twenty three, what I've been able to observe 182 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 5: right of their family. Yeah, from twenty twenty to until 183 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 5: twenty twenty four. All this resulted in an almost spiritual 184 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 5: refusal to admit that Biden was declining. I thought that 185 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 5: was interesting, For instance, about lying about health situations. Bo Biden, 186 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 5: who died, the son that he referenced all the time 187 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 5: of cancer, was the sitting Attorney general of Delaware. He 188 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 5: had an important public position in the state. He lied 189 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 5: about his cancer the way his dad has been lying 190 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 5: about his cancer currently. In the summer of twenty thirteen, 191 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 5: Bo collapsed during a family vacation and underwent brain surgery 192 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 5: to remove a tumor. Bo's tumor was definitely stage four. 193 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 5: Biden later wrote about the post operative findings. It was 194 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 5: a death sentence, under wrote Bow began limiting his public 195 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 5: appearance as his fall. He stopped doing media interviews. He 196 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 5: appeared gaunt, but Biden and Bo's team internally debated not 197 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 5: to disclose about vote Bo, the Vice president's son and 198 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 5: state's top law enforcement officer, but ultimately said nothing. In November, 199 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 5: Bo told the local reporter that he'd been given a 200 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 5: clean bill of health. This was not that many months 201 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 5: before he died, So he was lying in his own state. 202 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 2: In a position where the voters should know, you're dying 203 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: and not capable, and they. 204 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,479 Speaker 5: Were flying him all over the country doing these experimental 205 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 5: cancer treatments and everything like that. I mean, on one hand, 206 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 5: you got, like you brought up last hour, you've got 207 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 5: your own personal health and how much do you need 208 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 5: to share with people. 209 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, you're. 210 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 5: Not able to do your job that the people put 211 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 5: you in office for at all, and you're you know, 212 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 5: you're looking at people in the face of light. But 213 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 5: the point I think from Jake Tapper and Alec Thompson 214 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 5: in the book by laying that out, is the Biden 215 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 5: family just created their own reality about whatever story they 216 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 5: wanted to and always did to the media. They didn't 217 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 5: they didn't think the telling people honestly what was happening 218 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,719 Speaker 5: was necessary at all. 219 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 6: Right, clearly, which bits interesting. 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It is not one size fits 243 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 6: all Trust and Will dot Com slash Armstrong. 244 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: So I got another example from the book. 245 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 5: Maybe I'll get to next hour of how early and 246 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 5: how bad Joe Biden's brain was and how people how 247 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 5: worried the Inner Circle was about him. 248 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 2: He was, he was. 249 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 5: He shouldn't have run in twenty twenty. Absolutely shouldn't have 250 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 5: run in twenty twenty, let alone twenty four. 251 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's been my position for a while. Yeah, which 252 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 6: is pretty cover up was in full force early early, early. 253 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: Yep. 254 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 5: We're going to talk to our favorite healthcare expert, Craig 255 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 5: Gottwaals this hour to tell you about Medicaid and how 256 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 5: you're getting ripped off, among other things. 257 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 6: Yeah, how a program designed to cover a tiny few 258 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 6: unfortunate Americans is now covering about a third of us 259 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 6: or more. 260 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 5: And the reason we're going to be talking about it 261 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 5: is a lot of whether we cut this back or 262 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 5: not is part of the big beautiful bill that the 263 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 5: Republicans are trying to push through, So you should know 264 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 5: more about it, among other things we've got coming up today. 265 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 2: Stay here. 266 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 7: This is in scale and in scope and embrazen. This 267 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 7: the biggest espionage operation against the US in its history. 268 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 6: At sixty minutes, talking about the Chinese intelligence efforts against 269 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 6: the US going on right now as we speak. Let's 270 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 6: hear one more clip. Michae Linn will discuss why. 271 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: Do China's espionage efforts appear to be growing so big, 272 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: so fast under c Jimping. 273 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 7: Chi Jinping thinks it's China's time to move to the 274 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 7: center of the world stage. Xi Jinping looks at the 275 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 7: West and at the US and says, these people are 276 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 7: feeble minded, and I'm going to be able to beat them. 277 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm standing right here. I can hear you. 278 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 6: Hey, look at the president for the last four years. 279 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 6: Thanks for feeble minded? Where'd you get that impression? 280 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 5: Says the United States as a whole, Hey, we can 281 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 5: hear you calling us feeble minded? 282 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see. 283 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 5: The problem is I'm afraid they're gonna pull it off, 284 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 5: replacing the United States as being the center of the world. 285 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 5: The only thing stopping them are their own, like internal problems. 286 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: We're not doing a good job of stopping them. 287 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 6: No, And they have a massive, massive effort to spy 288 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 6: on the United States, both the conventional spying, industrial espionage, 289 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 6: and the rest of it. And I've told this story 290 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 6: many times before, but I was acquainted with some folks 291 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 6: from the FBI counter terrorism I'm sorry, counterintelligence, you know 292 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 6: efforts who went to a prominent college campus and told them, hey, 293 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 6: you've got a bunch of Chinese agents on your campus, 294 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 6: masquerading as researchers and students and the rest of it. 295 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 6: And we're told by the university president get off my campus, 296 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 6: you racists. We are just coming through that part of 297 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 6: the woke mindset, the rejection. 298 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: It's xenophilia. 299 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 6: If they're foreigners, they must be good because I hate 300 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 6: my own country. And how dare you suggest that these 301 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 6: nice Chinese people might be agents? Well, this is so 302 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 6: interesting from the Free Press, a story about specifically, and 303 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 6: it's not unique to Stanford University, but there's a hell 304 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 6: of a lot of it. The story is how China 305 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 6: turned Stanford students into spies. And again, this is solid 306 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 6: damn journalism. It would take me half an hour to 307 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 6: read this whole thing to you, but it is old school, 308 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 6: many months spent journalism. Last summer, a man calling himself 309 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 6: Charles Chen approached several Stanford University students unsolicited using social media. 310 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 6: There were almost all women, and they were invariably researching 311 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 6: China related topics. One of them was Anna, Stanford undergrad 312 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 6: student working on sensitive subjects linked to Chinese economy and 313 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 6: military developments. At first, Chen's outreach seemed benign. He asked 314 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 6: about networking opportunities, but soon his messages took a strange turn. 315 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 6: He and he requested anonymity. He spoke Mandarin, He spent videos. 316 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 6: He sent videos of Americans who had gained fame in China. 317 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 6: He encouraged Anna to visit Beijing, even offered to cover 318 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 6: travel expenses, on and on, told her how long to 319 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 6: stay in China, short enough to avoid scrutiny by the government. 320 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: Then he urged her to communicate exclusively. 321 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 6: Via the Chinese version of we Chat, a platform heavily 322 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 6: monitored by the Chinese Communist Party. Mentioned things he knew 323 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 6: about her that she had never told him, and he 324 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 6: asked her to delete screenshots after commenting on one of 325 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 6: our social media posts, and on and on it well, 326 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 6: with the help of experts familiar with espionage tactics and 327 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 6: a contacted the FBI, it revealed Charles Chen had posed 328 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 6: as Stanford's student for years, slightly altering his name and 329 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 6: online persona. He was actually an agent of the Chinese 330 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 6: Ministry of State Security the MSS, who the sixty Minutes 331 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 6: folks were talking about, whose job it was to target 332 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 6: Stanford's students sympathetic to China who could be used to 333 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 6: gather intelligence, and for years concerns about Chinese espionage have 334 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 6: quietly persisted at Stanford, yet until now, no attempt has 335 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 6: ever been made to gauge how pervasive it is. The 336 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 6: answer we discovered after a year long investigation is very pervasive. 337 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 6: Everything overwhelming evidence that the CCP is orchestrating a widespread 338 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 6: spying operation at Stanford. 339 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 5: Dang it, there's so much more to say about this. 340 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 5: We have to bring it back up because we're out 341 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 5: of time. Everyone should know the letters at MSS. Don't 342 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 5: ever throw around KGB or something like that. That's that's 343 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 5: in the past. MSS is what is going to ruin 344 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 5: your life. That's the mount KGB of China. I would 345 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 5: be delighted to go big on this anytime you want. 346 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 5: We'll do it soon. Yeah, we've got a lot off. 347 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 5: You miss a segment. Get the podcast Armstrong and Getty 348 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 5: on demand. 349 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 6: Armstrong and Getty. 350 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 8: They literally are trying to take healthcare away from millions 351 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 8: of Americans at this very moment in the dead of night. 352 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 6: Oh my god, Oh my god. It's a party of monsters. 353 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 6: That's why they're having the Republicans. They're monsters. 354 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 5: That's why they're having the one am vote tonight on 355 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 5: the big beautiful bill to try to slide through in 356 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 5: the darker night, the cutting back on Medicaid. 357 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 6: And so the Republicans who are actual vampires can come 358 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 6: out to vote too, because you know, the sun is down. 359 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 6: So Craig Gottwalls originally Craig the Obamacare lawyer, because when 360 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 6: Obamacare was in the works and passed, Craig would talk 361 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 6: to us about it, longtime friend of the show, and 362 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 6: everything he said was true, and virtually everything he predicted happened, 363 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 6: in contrast to most of the coverage of it, which 364 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 6: was garbage. Well, Craig is now Craig the healthcare Guru, 365 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 6: and we're going to talk a little bit about Medicaid, 366 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 6: among other things. Craig Gottwaals, how are you, Craig. 367 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm good, How are you, gentlemen? 368 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: Terrific? Thank you very much. 369 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 6: So what do you make of Hakeem Jeffrey's quote there 370 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 6: and what is the reality of Medicaid? 371 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 1: Well, it underscores just how we can never give anything 372 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: to the government. This is why we can't have nice things. 373 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: Right. 374 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: So in nineteen sixty five, the federal government passed Medicare 375 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: and Medicaid, and specifically with respect to Medicaid, the whole 376 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: idea was, man, we need a safety net for like 377 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: single moms with disabled children who are falling through the cracks. 378 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: We need we need this, this mechanism to just capture 379 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: the most disadvantaged among us, to help them out, to 380 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: give them, to give them a lift. 381 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 2: Right, so we did. 382 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: And back when this was passed in nineteen sixty five, 383 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: it was designed to cover two percent of Americans. Today 384 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: it covers one in three Americans and forty one percent 385 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 1: of all babies burst in our country. 386 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 2: Whoa forty babies born? 387 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 6: So originally forty one line the disabled, the utterly unable 388 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:39,120 Speaker 6: to help themselves, and now it is approaching half of us. 389 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 5: Is that because we have so many more single moms 390 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 5: with blind babies? 391 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: Or what does happen? Well? 392 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: You know you got you, you know better than I jack. 393 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: This is entitlement creep, government creep that its finest. I 394 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: mean you When we when this really took took off 395 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: and became insane was with Obamacare in the early you know, 396 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: twenty teens. When Obamacare came into play, Obamacare was bribing 397 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: the states, because you know, the way this thing works, 398 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: it's an agreement between the state and the federal government 399 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: and they're shared financing, right, So the federal government couldn't 400 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: just say to the states, you shall expand Medicaid. But 401 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: what the federal government did is said, hey, look if 402 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 1: you expand Medicaid to basically able bodied, working age people 403 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: now because we'd already you know, had Medicaid for all 404 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: the other categories you just mentioned, Joe, the government said, look, 405 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: if you do that, will we the federal government will 406 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: pay one hundred percent of it for some time, and 407 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,439 Speaker 1: then we'll pay ninety percent of it. So all but 408 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: ten states went ahead and said, heck, yeah, we'll take 409 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 1: that deal. And so now with that, with that Medicaid 410 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: expansion expansion that occurred with Obamacare, it's it's ninety percent 411 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: paid for by federal tax payers, and it covers anywhere 412 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: from eight million to fourteen million able bodied working adults 413 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,239 Speaker 1: or able bodied adults, some of which are working, some 414 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: of which aren't. 415 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 6: And in a bizarre twist, correct me if I'm wrong, 416 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 6: the federal government compensates the states at a much higher 417 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 6: percentage for able bodied dudes smoking pot on their parents 418 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 6: based on counch than they do for actual like disabled 419 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 6: people in blind babies. 420 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's exactly right. So that was the that 421 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: was the Obamacare bride because because Medicaid already covered all 422 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: those people we were trying to protect, you know, when 423 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: we started this thing in the sixties. So it covered 424 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: all those people that had disabilities, single moms, et cetera, 425 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: the blind, that disabled, but it didn't cover just underemployed 426 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: or unemployed, abled bodied adults. And so in order to 427 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: get the states to agree to do that, the federal 428 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: government had to say, look, we know that we're only 429 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: paying you an average of fifty to sixty five cents 430 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: on the dollar for your existing Medicaid, and we know 431 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: that's not enough to get you the states to agree 432 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: to go ahead and cover the adults. So we'll pay 433 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: ninety to one hundred percent, starting at one hundred percent, 434 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: drop downe to ninety percent. So, yes, that's exactly right. 435 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: If you are a twenty eight year old dude smoking 436 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: pot in your mom and dad's basement right now, medicaid's 437 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: paying ninety percent. The federal government's paying ninety percent of 438 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: your medicaid where it's only paying an average of sixty 439 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: cents on the dollar in a state like California for 440 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: a disabled mother with the child. 441 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 5: I'm thinking somebody I know specifically who has like a 442 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 5: regular person with the job and is doing it the 443 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 5: normal way, and they're incredible medical bills they got right 444 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 5: now because they've had some health problems. That's very galling 445 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 5: that they have these high medical bills with insurance and everything, 446 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 5: as opposed to if you got on some sort of 447 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 5: government plan, it would all be covered. 448 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 6: And Craig, I'm going to leave it up to your 449 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 6: judgment how much you want to get into this, But 450 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 6: there are all sorts of other perverse incentives that this 451 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 6: law has caused states, you know, taxing hospitals to raise 452 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 6: the amount spent, but then they get it back from 453 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 6: the federal government. 454 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: Then they give it back to the hospitals. I mean, 455 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 2: and it's business team. 456 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let me just give you a couple of 457 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: nuggets on the cost of it, just just because what's 458 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: happened is employers pay two to three times the cost 459 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: of a hospital visit as Medicare and Medicaid do. So 460 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: when you are on Medicare and Medicaid, you go to 461 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: the hospital, you pay X. If you're on an employer 462 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 1: sponsored plan, you pay two's the three times X. 463 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 2: Wow the bill as I was just talking about, Thus 464 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: the bills. 465 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: But even with that reality, gentlemen, if you're on Medicare, 466 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: that cost per taxpayer is about eleven thousand per year, 467 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: If you're on Medicaid, it's ninety four hundred per year, 468 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: and for employer sponsored people it's eighty seven hundred per year. 469 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: So even with that, granted, employer sponsored coverage generally younger, 470 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: generally healthier, we get that. But even with this tremendous 471 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: cost shift to the hospitals, it just it underscores how 472 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: inefficient these government programs are. When they passed meta Care, 473 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 1: now this is Medicare, not Medicaid, but they did all 474 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: the financials together when they passed it in nineteen sixty seven, 475 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: actually two years in, when they did an analysis on it, 476 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: they said, hey, we think this is going to cost 477 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: twelve billion by nineteen ninety, when in fact it cost 478 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: one hundred billion. They were off by a factor of eight. 479 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 2: With Medicare the bullet train of medicine. 480 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the bullet train of medicine. And now that 481 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: there are some people making noises that, gee, we ought 482 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: to trim back the edges a little bit and get 483 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: these able bodied adults off of it. You, of course 484 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: get the grand standing of politicians, even those on the right, 485 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: screaming that it's murder in the streets. 486 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 2: So Medicare is the one we all get when we 487 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 2: typnical it will. 488 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 5: Medicare is the one we all get when we turned 489 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 5: sixty five. But Medicaid is the one that the downtrodden. 490 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 6: Or folks allegedly yeah, yeah, hey, Craig, I want to 491 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 6: do the numbers you did for Medicaid too. So in 492 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 6: nineteen eighty seven, Congress projected that Medicaid would make special 493 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 6: relief payments to hospitals of life less than a billion dollars. 494 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: By nineteen ninety two under a billion dollars. 495 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 6: The actual cost was seventeen billion, So they're seventeen times 496 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 6: as high. I mean, if that doesn't tell you what 497 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 6: you need to know about government entitlement programs and what 498 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 6: they do, inevitably, well you're too stupid to understand it, 499 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,239 Speaker 6: and I pity you. 500 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: And that one was in a five year span, Joe. 501 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: That was their eighty seven projection for ninety two. 502 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're right. Yeah, that wasn't well. And 503 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: one of the problems. 504 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 5: One of the problems is, you know, all government programs grow, 505 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 5: and you know the high cost of good intentions and 506 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 5: all that sort of stuff. But in this case you've 507 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 5: got the added part that there's a bunch of people 508 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 5: that want the government to run all of healthcare. So 509 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 5: they love it. They're pushing the expansion. It's not just 510 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 5: like normal bureaucratic creep. They're pushing it. The more people cover, 511 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 5: the more you can make the argument of well or 512 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 5: already government healthcare anyway, let's just flip the switch and 513 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 5: go full on single pair. 514 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, and the single payer I'm just here 515 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: to tell you the single payer path is a good 516 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: thirty to fifty percent more expensive. Now those costs are 517 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: hidden because of the way the money slashes around. But 518 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: you've only got one payer of healthcare in America that 519 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: actually cares what it costs, and that's employers. That's it. 520 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: The insurance companies don't care because the way Obamacare is written, 521 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: they need more claims to make more money. The government 522 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: doesn't care because the more healthcare costs, the more budget 523 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: they get to address the issue. The only policy holder, 524 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: the only tax the only moneyed interest in this that 525 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: actually cares is an employer, and it's dramatically shrinking. Those 526 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: of us that get healthcare at work is shrinking every year. 527 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 5: I don't know how we ever get this fixed, because, 528 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 5: like you've probably been listening, No, I got whooping cough. 529 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 5: So I've been to the doctor, like yeah, four or 530 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 5: five times, eight different medications, all these different bills, most 531 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 5: of them tiny. I don't have the slightest idea what 532 00:27:58,400 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 5: anything cost. 533 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: Or I'll get a bill. 534 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 5: I know, I'll get a bill in a month for 535 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty bucks or five hundred and eighty bucks, 536 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 5: I don't know, and then I'll just pay it. 537 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: And nobody has any idea. 538 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 5: And the randomness of those of us who have employee uh, 539 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 5: you know, insurance. 540 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 2: We don't know if we're getting ripped off or good 541 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: price or whatever. So it's it's complicated. It's certainly discouraging. 542 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: Go ahead, Craig, Yeah, and it's it's not helped Jack 543 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: by the you know a lot of people think that, hey, 544 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: I have Purple Cross as my insurance, and so whether 545 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 1: I go to Stanford or El Camino or Good Sam 546 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: for this particular shoulder surgery should be about the same 547 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: price because I have a Purple Cross Ppo contract. Right, 548 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: It's not you can pay ten thousand for that shoulder 549 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: surgery or fifty thousand for that shoulder surgery with the 550 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: same exact insurance card. It's utterly insane what's happening in 551 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: the commercial market because government has crept into this unholy 552 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: a lineions with the commercial payers, and so you have this, 553 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: you have a situation where it's crony capitalism at its 554 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: absolute worst. You know we're talking about and we can 555 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 1: tease for a future visit, but there are ways to 556 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: get around this. But relying on the government or this 557 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: large commercial sector is going to kill us. And when 558 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: I say the commercial sector, I mean the fully insured carriers. 559 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: Employer sponsored plans, self funded employer sponsored plans are the 560 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: way to go. It's the only way to beat this 561 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: and beat it back. 562 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 6: Yeah, we're talking to Craig Gottwal's Craig the healthcare guru. 563 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 2: Craig. 564 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 6: I feel like at this point in the interview, we 565 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 6: ought to give people the local suicide hotline number. 566 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: I mean, because it's so discouraging. 567 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 6: So we've you know, described this incredible, mountainous, wasteful, enormously 568 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 6: expensive government program out of control. And if you, as 569 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 6: say a Republican, a Chip Roy, for instance, say hey, 570 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 6: can we have thirty five year old guy smoking pawn 571 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 6: on his parents couch, please pay a thirty five dollars 572 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 6: copay when he goes to the doctor, you have Hakeeen 573 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 6: Jeffrey screaming. You're literally taking healthcare away from millions of Americans. 574 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's one problem, though, the other problem is 575 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 5: you that's a Democrat. You got Josh Holley, a Republican 576 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 5: writing an option, and Molly has lost his soul. I 577 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 5: hope he gets hit by a car abhorror violence. 578 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 2: Josh Holly. 579 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 5: Right. So I think in the New York Times last week, 580 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 5: you know, Republicans, hey, do not cut any of this. 581 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 2: It's a bad political move. So where does that leave you? Yeah? 582 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: It you. At this point, gentlemen, I put my head down. 583 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: I don't even listen to the big the big picture anymore. 584 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: And I just try and help one employer at a time. 585 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: It's just and and I get individuals to contact me, 586 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: and they asked me, what do I do, and I say, 587 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: buy is little difference, check in by the highest deductible. 588 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: Go ahead, don't get sick is your recommendation. 589 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: Don't get sick, but find a doctor, find a doctor 590 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: who's left the system, and engage in something called direct 591 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: prime mary care, where you give them anywhere from seventy 592 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: five to two hundred dollars a month, you treat, you 593 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: work with them, and then God forbid you have something 594 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: giant happen. You have the highest deductible you can stomach 595 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: to go deal with that issue. But you've got to 596 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: cut insurance and government payments out as much as you 597 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: can and work directly with doctors. And the good news 598 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: is that system is growing. Gentlemen, I talk to doctors 599 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: every week that are leaving the system and going direct 600 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: pay with individuals and not the three hundred and fifty 601 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: dollars concierge model, but like doing this for one hundred 602 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: dollars a month. Literally. 603 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 6: Well, I love the idea of starting at that point 604 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 6: in our next conversation with you, Craig, and talking about that, 605 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 6: because one of the things I was going to bring 606 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 6: up if we have time, and we don't unfortunately, but 607 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 6: some of the unholy vertical integration of the giant healthcare 608 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 6: companies where they own the doctor, they own the hospital, 609 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 6: they own the pharmacy, they own the pharmacy benefit manager, 610 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 6: which is an unholy, murky cesspool of God knows where 611 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 6: the money goes. And so yeah, the idea of checking 612 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 6: out of that system, I love it. Let's let's let's 613 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 6: talk off the air. Will schedule you to come back 614 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 6: because I think it'd be great for the good folks. 615 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: Sounds great, gentlemen, have a wonderful day. 616 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Craig. Appreciate the time you have to come 617 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 2: on all the time and bear bad news. 618 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 6: I mean it's like, yeah, I just you know, as 619 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 6: a realist, you've unlike the Biden family, the one thing 620 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 6: you must do is understand reality or or you're you're houseless. 621 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 5: I've been saying to Craig and he usually agrees for years. 622 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 5: I think the realist view is we're going to end 623 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 5: up single payer healthcare. Uh it's just when when does 624 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 5: that fight? 625 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? I suppose so. 626 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 6: But in every single health single payer healthcare system, people 627 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 6: who can afford. 628 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 2: It go outside, right right, got to learn those ropes. 629 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, wait, hang it don't folks, it'll be okay, don't 630 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 6: get sick. 631 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: Just don't get sick or break anything. That's the answer. 632 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 2: Stay here. 633 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 9: Hey, Deth and inmates tonight are still at large. These 634 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 9: are dangerous inmates. They have serious charges. At least for 635 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 9: are charged with murder or attempted murder. Sheriff's office says 636 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 9: there was no guard assigned to the pod, only a technician, 637 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 9: who officials say stepped away to get food when this happened. 638 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 9: Authority is now investigating whether this was an inside job. 639 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 9: So far, three staff members have been suspended without pay. 640 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 9: The district attorney says there was a complete breakdown in 641 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 9: jail protocol. 642 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 4: Any family member who was scared or frustrated, they have 643 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 4: every right to be sould. 644 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 5: A breakdown in jail protocol. If it turns out as 645 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 5: the breaking news is that uh, one dude there helped 646 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 5: them get out. Somebody worked there, is that a breakdown 647 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 5: in protocol? The people who work there aren't supposed to 648 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 5: help people escape. Yeah, the protocol is keep them in. Yes, 649 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 5: there was a breakdown in that product. The maintenance guy 650 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 5: helped them escape. Louisiana so corrupt, unbelievable. 651 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 6: May before we move on after the conversation with Craig 652 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 6: gott Waltz in the last segment about medicaid and how 653 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 6: bloated and horrible it is and how Obamacare exploded it. 654 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 6: Here's your breaking news. Trump moved to end the quarreling 655 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 6: among various GOP factions. Quote, tell them don't f around 656 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 6: with Medicaid. So the orders came from Trump to the 657 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 6: GOP don't do anything to reform Medicaid. 658 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I give up. 659 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 5: So I just got a text from a friend of 660 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 5: mine who he's on the older end, but he said, Uh, 661 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 5: just got the Medicare statement for a cardiac ablation one 662 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 5: hundred and eighty eight thousand dollars for an over at 663 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 5: night's stay. 664 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 2: And he's gonna pay fifty two dollars. But that one 665 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty eight thousand dollars. 666 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 5: Nobody has the slightest idea if that's anywhere close to reasonable? 667 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: Right? 668 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 6: No, who gets it? I don't know how'd you come 669 00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 6: up with? Where's it coming from? 670 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 2: Exactly? Now? That is no system anyway. 671 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 5: The other breaking news we've got around the conference that's 672 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 5: going on right now with Trump meeting with Republicans trying 673 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 5: to get the big beautiful bill. Thing is he has 674 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 5: completely flipped on salt for whatever reason. That is the 675 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 5: whole getting deduct your state taxes in the Blue. 676 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 6: States state and local tax right exactly deduction. Uh. 677 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 2: Trump has flipped. 678 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 5: He says raising the cap benefits with raising the cap 679 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 5: would benefit democratic governors. We don't want to benefit democrats. 680 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 5: So he is against the salt thing now, having been 681 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 5: for it pretty strongly for. 682 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 2: The last week. I don't know what was going on there. 683 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,320 Speaker 5: And this just in he just said to one congress person, 684 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 5: I know your district better than you do. If you 685 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,800 Speaker 5: lose because assault, you were going to lose anyway, So 686 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 5: there you go. But anyway, that's the right thing happening, 687 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 5: the assaults of the crime against nature. I mean, it's 688 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 5: just horrible, even though it would benefit me personally. 689 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 6: What cap are they going with thirty grand or I 690 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 6: don't know, I don't not or because the Blue state guys, 691 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 6: we're trying to raise it to like fifty or unlimited, 692 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 6: right well, so that all the red states could pay 693 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 6: for the Blue states, you know, income. 694 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 5: TAXI Trump's actually at a microphone now, so maybe we'll 695 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 5: hear that. And they have a meeting at one am 696 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 5: for some reason tonight. 697 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. LA getting tough on immigration. 698 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 2: You're not going to believe it. Stay with us,